Any abuse, I will report it.

I recommend everyone else to take the same stance

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Any abuse, I will report it. I recommend everyone else to take the same stance

to YOU you mean...

cods wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:56pm: Any abuse, I will report it. I recommend everyone else to take the same stance to YOU you mean...

Yes, just on abuse against me.
It is not up to me to report abuse against others I believe.
I report them all to freediver, with quotes showing person, thread, time, date.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

cods wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 8:12pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:56pm: Any abuse, I will report it. I recommend everyone else to take the same stance to YOU you mean... Yes, just on abuse against me. It is not up to me to report abuse against others I believe. I report them all to freediver, with quotes showing person, thread, time, date.

I would think he has more than enough complaints already.. I will send all future complaints to yourself.. you sound as if you will at least act on them....probably by cancelling my membership...its a risk I will be forced to take..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Any abuse, I will report it. I recommend everyone else to take the same stance

Because most of your posting is rubbish, fabricated and speculative, so now your crying your getting abused?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

cods wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 8:12pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:56pm: Any abuse, I will report it. I recommend everyone else to take the same stance to YOU you mean... Yes, just on abuse against me. It is not up to me to report abuse against others I believe. I report them all to freediver, with quotes showing person, thread, time, date.

I'm sure he's very appreciative of that.

Interestingly, to me anyway,

is that this forum software doesnt come with a "report this post" button as others do. Might be worth checking FD if there is a mod to include one.

Personally I dont have a clue who the global mods are to even report something. So Freedivers the man?

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:35am:

Interestingly, to me anyway, is that this forum software doesnt come with a "report this post" button as others do. Might be worth checking FD if there is a mod to include one. Personally I dont have a clue who the global mods are to even report something. So Freedivers the man?

exactly: no backchat to the umpire!

I'm currently serving time in the sin bin but, hey_ we all know I deserved it!

John Smith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:00pm:

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I cry during the adverts so how do you think I feel!!  ;D ;D

With all of these abuse and complaints, does freediver even have the time to deal with it?

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 5:36pm:

With all of these abuse and complaints, does freediver even have the time to deal with it?

If available

The "Report This Post" Button sends a PM to all the appropriate Mods which would mean FD doesnt have to deal with every complaint!

Have you looked into this as a possibility FD?

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 5:43pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:36pm: With all of these abuse and complaints, does freediver even have the time to deal with it? If available The "Report This Post" Button sends a PM to all the appropriate Mods which would mean FD doesnt have to deal with every complaint! Have you looked into this as a possibility FD?

Ahh but then comes the problem of alleged "moderator favouritism" which leaves that option in the open to be abused  ;)

Sometimes this forum is like a virtual manifestation of parliament house.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:43pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:36pm: With all of these abuse and complaints, does freediver even have the time to deal with it? If available The "Report This Post" Button sends a PM to all the appropriate Mods which would mean FD doesnt have to deal with every complaint! Have you looked into this as a possibility FD? Ahh but then comes the problem of alleged "moderator favouritism" which leaves that option in the open to be abused  ;)

Not sure what you mean?

All reported posts could be treated in some favouritism way  regardless of how they are reported.

With the report button the post is reported to all moderators and I dont believe the poster even knows who reported it and for that matter all mods have the opportunity to handle the job which is less likely to have some favouritism applied imo

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 5:59pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:52pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:43pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:36pm: With all of these abuse and complaints, does freediver even have the time to deal with it? If available The "Report This Post" Button sends a PM to all the appropriate Mods which would mean FD doesnt have to deal with every complaint! Have you looked into this as a possibility FD? Ahh but then comes the problem of alleged "moderator favouritism" which leaves that option in the open to be abused  ;) Not sure what you mean? All reported posts could be treated in some favouritism way  regardless of how they are reported. With the report button the post is reported to all moderators and I dont believe the poster even knows who reported it and for that matter all mods have the opportunity to handle the job which is less likely to have some favouritism applied imo

Good point.

He should definitely consider getting that button, in that case.

http://www.xonder.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1388770014

Since the Alert Moderator option is available on this forum (right side of screen & they're also using YaBB 2.5.2, same as OzPolitic) I would say that the option is turned off here.

Or, it is an optional add on for the board (unlikely, in my opinion).

The button gets spammed.

No wonder you don't have it here then, I didn't even consider that.

How do you propose people deal with this "personal abuse" and cyber-bullying, as well as this alleged "moderator favouritism"?

It's really bothering people, it seems.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

How do you propose people deal with this "personal abuse" and cyber-bullying, as well as this alleged "moderator favouritism"?

easy ... get a life!

John Smith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:07pm: How do you propose people deal with this "personal abuse" and cyber-bullying, as well as this alleged "moderator favouritism"? easy ... get a life!

It is that easy , sorry I have to agree [smiley=thumbup.gif]

The Mole wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:13pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:07pm: How do you propose people deal with this "personal abuse" and cyber-bullying, as well as this alleged "moderator favouritism"? easy ... get a life! It is that easy , sorry I have to agree [smiley=thumbup.gif]

no need to apologise ... I was serious.

If you can't handle the heat on a political forum (and political forums do get heated, it's the nature of politics ) and feel like you are being bullied, then step away from your computer (or join a knitting forum).

John Smith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:23pm:

The Mole wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:13pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:07pm: How do you propose people deal with this "personal abuse" and cyber-bullying, as well as this alleged "moderator favouritism"? easy ... get a life! It is that easy , sorry I have to agree [smiley=thumbup.gif] no need to apologise ... I was serious. If you can't handle the heat on a political forum (and political forums do get heated, it's the nature of politics ) and feel like you are being bullied, then step away from your computer (or join a knitting forum).

:D :D

I couldn't agree more, I, personally, don't get upset about people's opinions of myself or my views, or anybody else's.
I will admit that arrogance is an annoyance, it's a fleeting irritation, much like stepping on gum or waking up to find your dog has gone to the toilet in your house.

I'm asking for the people who are getting upset, and feel the need to get upset, and go as far as leaving the forum because of it.

I imagine a knitting forum would be quite boring, though I wouldn't be surprised if people abused each other on such.

"My needle is better than yours. You're stupid and ignorant, I'm better than you."  :D

Were I Fuhrer here, I'd ban everybody who has a PA account.

That place is the pits.

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 7:56pm:

The button gets spammed.

Thanks, FD.

Yep, I can see that happening here... it would probably end up driving you and the Mods crazy.

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Were I Fuhrer here, I'd ban everybody who has a PA account. That place is the pits.

That place has quite the bad reputation, it seems. Probably makes this place look like a knitting club in comparison  :D

But as someone once told me when I first joined, "first impressions are everything." Maybe "political animal" just stays true to its name.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 5:53pm:

Sometimes this forum is like a virtual manifestation of parliament house.

but they are paid to be one eyed.. ::) ::)

and most on here critisise parliament all the time whilst doing exactly the same thing..

is it unreasonable to call others unreasonable for being unreasonable??????????????

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 6:27am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:53pm: Sometimes this forum is like a virtual manifestation of parliament house. but they are paid to be one eyed.. ::) ::) and most on here critisise parliament all the time whilst doing exactly the same thing.. is it unreasonable to call others unreasonable for being unreasonable??????????????

maybe you should have asked yourself that BEFORE doing it!

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

No wonder you don't have it here then, I didn't even consider that. How do you propose people deal with this "personal abuse" and cyber-bullying, as well as this alleged "moderator favouritism"? It's really bothering people, it seems.

It really bothers me.
I have had enough of people here answering any post of mine with abusive, destructive or offtopic trolling remarks.

Any such remarks I report in and its entirely up to freediver to decide.
If you don't like that, don't ever talk to me.

Freediver has always been quite just in the past and I am happy with his decision.

On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.
Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease. Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety.

thats fantastic news sprint...you must be the only one that cares about his loyal subjects...

its wonderful to know that i.i.t.l. and bobby can talk away to themselves feeling safe from the moronic crowd..as it were...the spirit world needs all the help after all..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety.

you mean those posts that agree with your point of view?

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 6:27am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:53pm: Sometimes this forum is like a virtual manifestation of parliament house. but they are paid to be one eyed.. ::) ::) and most on here critisise parliament all the time whilst doing exactly the same thing.. is it unreasonable to call others unreasonable for being unreasonable??????????????

This is true, but people are unreasonable by nature. Not all, but most. It's because people are offended and angry when a viewpoint is expressed that clashes with their own.

Especially in the case when one "has to be right" (an ego-trip) they deal with it in two ways... by resorting to immature personal abuse, or "mature" personal abuse, which I've written about in a separate thread from this, which is when one attack's another's comments with "You're ignorant. You're stupid. I'm smart, I know everything. I am superior to you." Often using intelligent vocabulary.

It matters not whether you are "left-wing", "right-wing", Christian, Muslim, atheist or "tinfoil hat". What unites us is that we all do it  :D it is very hard not to fall for the tit-for-tat trap, I try to avoid it but sometimes I just have to make a point. Am I a hypocrite? In a sense, yes. But at least I can admit it  ;D

John Smith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:05am: On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety. you mean those posts that agree with your point of view?

That isn't 100% true. For an example, Sprinty knows that I don't agree a lot of the aspects of organised religion. Sprinty's faith is of that -- organised religion. He will delete posts if they contain mockery which is no different to personal abuse, really. I don't think he really cares what you believe, it's more about how you conduct yourself. You can express an opinion without pulling the p!ss, which is what I have done in the Spirituality forum, none of my posts have been deleted, if anything, he applauds them -- but do they contradict with his beliefs? Yes.

I think sprint is also anti-institution.

:) I think anti-institution is also sprint!!

I thought otherwise, as the Lutheran church (I've read in other threads that he's Lutheran) is somewhat of an organised religion.

Regardless of whether he is anti-institution or not, I have posted beliefs that clash with his own.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:21am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:05am: On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety. you mean those posts that agree with your point of view? That isn't 100% true. For an example, Sprinty knows that I don't agree a lot of the aspects of organised religion. Sprinty's faith is of that -- organised religion. He will delete posts if they contain mockery which is no different to personal abuse, really. I don't think he really cares what you believe, it's more about how you conduct yourself. You can express an opinion without pulling the p!ss, which is what I have done in the Spirituality forum, none of my posts have been deleted, if anything, he applauds them -- but do they contradict with his beliefs? Yes.

I would generally agree with that too.

I have quite clearly stated my position of no support at all for Organised religion and have not had posts removed or been "banned".

That said, I do recognise that some post removals appear to be either ideologically based or a bit personal, however, I am not privy to the history that may underpin the seemingly personal edits. Not that they would be any more justified in my humble opinion.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 6:27am: Freedumb wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:53pm: Sometimes this forum is like a virtual manifestation of parliament house. but they are paid to be one eyed.. ::) ::) and most on here critisise parliament all the time whilst doing exactly the same thing.. is it unreasonable to call others unreasonable for being unreasonable?????????????? This is true, but people are unreasonable by nature. Not all, but most. It's because people are offended and angry when a viewpoint is expressed that clashes with their own. Especially in the case when one "has to be right" (an ego-trip) they deal with it in two ways... by resorting to immature personal abuse, or "mature" personal abuse, which I've written about in a separate thread from this, which is when one attack's another's comments with "You're ignorant. You're stupid. I'm smart, I know everything. I am superior to you." Often using intelligent vocabulary. It matters not whether you are "left-wing", "right-wing", Christian, Muslim, atheist or "tinfoil hat". What unites us is that we all do it  :D it is very hard not to fall for the tit-for-tat trap, I try to avoid it but sometimes I just have to make a point. Am I a hypocrite? In a sense, yes. But at least I can admit it  ;D

this if course is very true...we are a diverse mix lets face it..

so much in common yet almost nothing at the same time..

we have not learnt to live with each other... maybe another 2 or 3 hundreds years who knows...

but looking at the middle east...it looks like never happening...

difference of opinion if great we would be robots otherwise... its how we deal with it that counts..

look at anger look how destructive that is.... yet its almost a way of life today...even on here you can feel the anger  although maybe thats just me.....

a lot I see written in  jest but its taken badly... others its as if they cannot say enough bad things in the one post it all boils over...

tell you the truth I dont deal with that type. so I dont see a lot of what you guys see...sprint has always been ok as far as I can see....so from a personal point of view I have never felt abused by him...... thankfully.

One could even say that we are devolving as a race, when we are supposed to be evolving, but history repeats itself in all forms.

"Nothing is new" is a quote that stands out for me. You'd think, especially in the case of religion, that followers of separate faiths could at least identity that they believe in God, but instead we have this concept that if you believe in God with a different name, you're evil or "infidel" and should be killed.

I think a lot of it is focusing on negatives, and not positives. If we all believed in one thing and one thing only, life would be extremely boring. But do we need to take it as far as hurting each other? I don't think it's necessary.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:21am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:05am: On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety. you mean those posts that agree with your point of view? That isn't 100% true. For an example, Sprinty knows that I don't agree a lot of the aspects of organised religion. Sprinty's faith is of that -- organised religion. He will delete posts if they contain mockery which is no different to personal abuse, really. I don't think he really cares what you believe, it's more about how you conduct yourself. You can express an opinion without pulling the p!ss, which is what I have done in the Spirituality forum, none of my posts have been deleted, if anything, he applauds them -- but do they contradict with his beliefs? Yes.

disagree ... i merely questioned one of his comments and he deleted it. .. it was on topic since it was his comment to start with, and there was no mockery or abuse ...

he was probably too busy playing the vicitim to think about it anyway

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:21am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:05am: On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety. you mean those posts that agree with your point of view? That isn't 100% true. For an example, Sprinty knows that I don't agree a lot of the aspects of organised religion. Sprinty's faith is of that -- organised religion. He will delete posts if they contain mockery which is no different to personal abuse, really. I don't think he really cares what you believe, it's more about how you conduct yourself. You can express an opinion without pulling the p!ss, which is what I have done in the Spirituality forum, none of my posts have been deleted, if anything, he applauds them -- but do they contradict with his beliefs? Yes.

That's about it.
Feel free to constructively criticise organised belief systems.
If you just want to go in and just make some sarcastic offensive meaningless offtopic remark against anything it may be deleted.

If your don't accept other beliefs and you express that in an abusive sarcastic meaningless manner it may be deleted.

I accept others have differing  viewpoints. That's a basic sign of spiritual maturity.
If I did not, it would show the weakness of my faith.

I think we are becoming soft we have an "if we ignore it will die a natural death"...its too hard today to deal with WRONG or BAD..someone does a murder its almost all on video... it takes sometimes years to get to court and then they get off with a technicality  a twist of words.. did they intend to kill..

WOW... we have gone mad.. sure when it came to crime and punishment our history wasnt that great but bloody hell.. what we are doing right now is giving bad people so much rope so many rights to do the wrong thing...

even on here you see people going into bat for the villain even the head hunters have been driven to do what they do by someone else.. ::) ::) ::)..

there is more whoha today if the referee makes a mistake in the Grand Final than there is about pure injustice....

not sure that opn topic..  ;) ;)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

That's about it. I accept others have differing  viewpoints. That's a basic sign of spiritual maturity.

liar ... you deleted ALL my comments, not just the ones where I had a go at you

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 1:29pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:21am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:05am: On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety. you mean those posts that agree with your point of view? That isn't 100% true. For an example, Sprinty knows that I don't agree a lot of the aspects of organised religion. Sprinty's faith is of that -- organised religion. He will delete posts if they contain mockery which is no different to personal abuse, really. I don't think he really cares what you believe, it's more about how you conduct yourself. You can express an opinion without pulling the p!ss, which is what I have done in the Spirituality forum, none of my posts have been deleted, if anything, he applauds them -- but do they contradict with his beliefs? Yes. That's about it. Feel free to constructively criticise organised belief systems. If you just want to go in and just make some sarcastic offensive meaningless offtopic remark against anything it may be deleted. If your don't accept other beliefs and you express that in an abusive sarcastic meaningless manner it may be deleted. I accept others have differing  viewpoints. That's a basic sign of spiritual maturity. If I did not, it would show the weakness of my faith.

you dont think thats a case OF POWER GONE MAD?..

whos to say something is sarcastic??.. I often think I am being sarcastic but the other end takes it for real..

you sound over the top to me sprint...it is being able to talk about our different viewpoints.,.. and dont forget on here you are not interrupted..that makes us humans using our brains..

religion is what most wars are about....and yet you say you pick and chose whos viewpoint you want to listen too...and what others are entitled to listen/read .. thats bullying thats not moderating.

isnt that what ISLI is doing????......

Why is sprint even a Mod on any topic here?

wally1 wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

Why is sprint even a Mod on any topic here?

Mods can run their member run boards any way they please. They have the right to impose their own standards. If you don't like it - then don't post there. Why shouldn't he be a mod? He's been a member here from the beginning and running his Spirituality forum for almost as long.

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

I think we are becoming soft we have an "if we ignore it will die a natural death"...its too hard today to deal with WRONG or BAD..someone does a murder its almost all on video... it takes sometimes years to get to court and then they get off with a technicality  a twist of words.. did they intend to kill.. WOW... we have gone mad.. sure when it came to crime and punishment our history wasnt that great but bloody hell.. what we are doing right now is giving bad people so much rope so many rights to do the wrong thing... even on here you see people going into bat for the villain even the head hunters have been driven to do what they do by someone else.. ::) ::) ::).. there is more whoha today if the referee makes a mistake in the Grand Final than there is about pure injustice.... not sure that opn topic..  ;) ;)

I've noticed this too. The extremist do-gooders of this society are the ones kicking up about freedom and civil rights and seem to blatantly ignore what a predator has done, it's almost like they think it's okay, and the victim is just expected to "forgive and forget" or turn the other cheek.

They're also great at making excuses for them. In some cases, "being under the influence of drugs/alcohol" "mental illness" and in the case of the king hit "the concrete ground killed him, not I."

It's like nobody has any responsibility anymore, they can just palm it off to something external and blame something else.

It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty.

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 5:07pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 1:29pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:21am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:05am: On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety. you mean those posts that agree with your point of view? That isn't 100% true. For an example, Sprinty knows that I don't agree a lot of the aspects of organised religion. Sprinty's faith is of that -- organised religion. He will delete posts if they contain mockery which is no different to personal abuse, really. I don't think he really cares what you believe, it's more about how you conduct yourself. You can express an opinion without pulling the p!ss, which is what I have done in the Spirituality forum, none of my posts have been deleted, if anything, he applauds them -- but do they contradict with his beliefs? Yes. That's about it. Feel free to constructively criticise organised belief systems. If you just want to go in and just make some sarcastic offensive meaningless offtopic remark against anything it may be deleted. If your don't accept other beliefs and you express that in an abusive sarcastic meaningless manner it may be deleted. I accept others have differing  viewpoints. That's a basic sign of spiritual maturity. If I did not, it would show the weakness of my faith. you dont think thats a case OF POWER GONE MAD?.. whos to say something is sarcastic??.. I often think I am being sarcastic but the other end takes it for real.. you sound over the top to me sprint...it is being able to talk about our different viewpoints.,.. and dont forget on here you are not interrupted..that makes us humans using our brains.. religion is what most wars are about....and yet you say you pick and chose whos viewpoint you want to listen too...and what others are entitled to listen/read .. thats bullying thats not moderating. isnt that what ISLI is doing????......

I repost the following here, as it is relevant.

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Past Realities, have convinced me that I am not be an Organised Religion follower. Current Realities, suggest that we may need Enlightenment and a different measurements for Humanity to follow. Future Realities, may be "somewhat" limited for Humanity, If we can not find a new Enlightenment outside of the old faithfuls of Organised Religion, current Political Smoke & Mirrors & TPTB!

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It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty.

I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts.

For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%.
Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity.

The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal.

These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901.

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Quote: It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts. For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%. Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity. The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal. These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901.

Not doubting you....but I'd love to see the links to all that.

Aussie wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:21pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 8:01pm: Quote: It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts. For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%. Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity. The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal. These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901. Not doubting you....but I'd love to see the links to all that.

Can't be f-cked finding links. Google "conviction rate" or something. People have a really skewed perception of crime and punishment here. You should know that having been a lawyer.

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 8:21pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 8:01pm: Quote: It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts. For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%. Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity. The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal. These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901. Not doubting you....but I'd love to see the links to all that. Can't be f-cked finding links. Google "conviction rate" or something. People have a really skewed perception of crime and punishment here. You should know that having been a lawyer.

I am aware of that, but I've never seen those stats before.  Did you just make them up?

No. I didn't make them up.
Don't know the current real figures so just said more than. About 10 years ago I did a gig compiling the NSW court and sentencing stats... tech role, not authoring.

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Quote: It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts. For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%. Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity. The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal. These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901.

So if I kill someone and claim that I have a mental illness, I'll be punished like the everyday Joe?

Despite your alleged figures and what not, it doesn't seem to match up with what I've seen, personally. I knew a girl whose son was murdered at the age of three, by her brother-in-law. He spent three years in jail, and that was with parole.

Is that justice?

Also, explain to me why paedophile identities are protected, and in some cases, are allowed to get back to their daily lives and live close to schools, etc?

John Smith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 1:29pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:21am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 10:05am: On the spiritual forum I delete posts with ease.Those that post there constructively and genuinely there do so in safety. you mean those posts that agree with your point of view? That isn't 100% true. For an example, Sprinty knows that I don't agree a lot of the aspects of organised religion. Sprinty's faith is of that -- organised religion. He will delete posts if they contain mockery which is no different to personal abuse, really. I don't think he really cares what you believe, it's more about how you conduct yourself. You can express an opinion without pulling the p!ss, which is what I have done in the Spirituality forum, none of my posts have been deleted, if anything, he applauds them -- but do they contradict with his beliefs? Yes. disagree ... i merely questioned one of his comments and he deleted it. .. it was on topic since it was his comment to start with, and there was no mockery or abuse ... he was probably too busy playing the vicitim to think about it anyway

He may have perceived it to be a mockery. Unfortunately, I am not able to see these comments to give any kind of comment because they have been deleted  :P

I'm only going on how Sprinty treats me. I post in his forum quite often and have experienced no problems with him so far.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 8:01pm: Quote: It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts. For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%. Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity. The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal. These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901. So if I kill someone and claim that I have a mental illness, I'll be punished like the everyday Joe? Despite your alleged figures and what not, it doesn't seem to match up with what I've seen, personally. I knew a girl whose son was murdered at the age of three, by her brother-in-law. He spent three years in jail, and that was with parole. Is that justice? Also, explain to me why paedophile identities are protected, and in some cases, are allowed to get back to their daily lives and live close to schools, etc?

If it's proven that you have a mental illness, then your punishment will more than likely change. Getting sentenced to a mental institution isn't a fixed sentence like what you'd get normally - it's open ended - i.e. until they think you're no longer a threat - that 15 years you would have got otherwise could end up being life in an institution.

Paedophile identities are usually kept secret for the benefit of their victims - so they can't be identified.

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:47pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 8:42pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 8:01pm: Quote: It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts. For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%. Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity. The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal. These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901. So if I kill someone and claim that I have a mental illness, I'll be punished like the everyday Joe? Despite your alleged figures and what not, it doesn't seem to match up with what I've seen, personally. I knew a girl whose son was murdered at the age of three, by her brother-in-law. He spent three years in jail, and that was with parole. Is that justice? Also, explain to me why paedophile identities are protected, and in some cases, are allowed to get back to their daily lives and live close to schools, etc? If you can prove that you have a mental illness, then your punishment will more than likely change. Getting sentenced to a mental institution isn't a fixed sentence like what you'd get normally - it's open ended - i.e. until they think you're no longer a threat. Paedophile identities are usually kept secret for the benefit of their victims - so they can't be identified.

So how does one go about conducting proof of a mental illness? Would there be brain scans, etc?
If they come to the conclusion you're no longer a threat, what happens next? Are they set free?
Do you think there's a possibility that people out there would feign mental illness to avoid harsher punishments?

That benefit has a double-edged sword. Should paedophiles be allowed to be free in the first place? Think about what they do, for a second... it isn't something that can be "fixed" through rehabilitation. As disgusting as this is going to sound, it is natural for them to be attracted to children (abnormal for most people, though) as it is natural for a homosexual to be attracted to the same sex. Surely, they can be trained to not act on their desires, but can they really be trusted?

Is the civil rights and freedom of a predator more important than civil rights and freedom of a child who has theirs violated by said predator?

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 5:07pm: I think we are becoming soft we have an "if we ignore it will die a natural death"...its too hard today to deal with WRONG or BAD..someone does a murder its almost all on video... it takes sometimes years to get to court and then they get off with a technicality  a twist of words.. did they intend to kill.. WOW... we have gone mad.. sure when it came to crime and punishment our history wasnt that great but bloody hell.. what we are doing right now is giving bad people so much rope so many rights to do the wrong thing... even on here you see people going into bat for the villain even the head hunters have been driven to do what they do by someone else.. ::) ::) ::).. there is more whoha today if the referee makes a mistake in the Grand Final than there is about pure injustice.... not sure that opn topic..  ;) ;) I've noticed this too. The extremist do-gooders of this society are the ones kicking up about freedom and civil rights and seem to blatantly ignore what a predator has done, it's almost like they think it's okay, and the victim is just expected to "forgive and forget" or turn the other cheek. They're also great at making excuses for them. In some cases, "being under the influence of drugs/alcohol" "mental illness" and in the case of the king hit "the concrete ground killed him, not I." It's like nobody has any responsibility anymore, they can just palm it off to something external and blame something else. It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty.

I dont care what anyone says.. I for one have lost a lot of respect for our courts...today for instance 
two small things in todays paper...

silks guilty son walks free.
the son of top SYdney Barrister John Agius...walked free today after committing an armed robbery .20 yr old Felim pistol whipped the owner of a Jewllery store .. despite pleading guilty he walked free . receiving a two yr .good behavior bond..his father is representing the CFMEU at the Royal Comm...

in the other story..also by chance  in the royal into the Unions.. its turns out..that Khaled Sharrouf the same one who posted pic of him and his son holding severed heads.. worked as a stand over man for Geo Alex the gangster that built an empire using the crooked unions bosses...one of the witnesses claims when he fell out with Alex.. his house was shot at and he claims by SHarrouf and his side kick Elomar.. who are now both fighting the good cause for ISLI..

I find it hard to believe these people have not been on police radar for a long time....however thanks to our court system...one almost has to have a video of them doing the killing to get them charged and found guilty...our system  to me seems to protect the crims far more than it does the public.

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 7:21pm: cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2014 at 5:07pm: I think we are becoming soft we have an "if we ignore it will die a natural death"...its too hard today to deal with WRONG or BAD..someone does a murder its almost all on video... it takes sometimes years to get to court and then they get off with a technicality  a twist of words.. did they intend to kill.. WOW... we have gone mad.. sure when it came to crime and punishment our history wasnt that great but bloody hell.. what we are doing right now is giving bad people so much rope so many rights to do the wrong thing... even on here you see people going into bat for the villain even the head hunters have been driven to do what they do by someone else.. ::) ::) ::).. there is more whoha today if the referee makes a mistake in the Grand Final than there is about pure injustice.... not sure that opn topic..  ;) ;) I've noticed this too. The extremist do-gooders of this society are the ones kicking up about freedom and civil rights and seem to blatantly ignore what a predator has done, it's almost like they think it's okay, and the victim is just expected to "forgive and forget" or turn the other cheek. They're also great at making excuses for them. In some cases, "being under the influence of drugs/alcohol" "mental illness" and in the case of the king hit "the concrete ground killed him, not I." It's like nobody has any responsibility anymore, they can just palm it off to something external and blame something else. It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I dont care what anyone says.. I for one have lost a lot of respect for our courts...today for instance  two small things in todays paper... silks guilty son walks free. the son of top SYdney Barrister John Agius...walked free today after committing an armed robbery .20 yr old Felim pistol whipped the owner of a Jewllery store .. despite pleading guilty he walked free . receiving a two yr .good behavior bond..his father is representing the CFMEU at the Royal Comm... in the other story..also by chance  in the royal into the Unions.. its turns out..that Khaled Sharrouf the same one who posted pic of him and his son holding severed heads.. worked as a stand over man for Geo Alex the gangster that built an empire using the crooked unions bosses...one of the witnesses claims when he fell out with Alex.. his house was shot at and he claims by SHarrouf and his side kick Elomar.. who are now both fighting the good cause for ISLI.. I find it hard to believe these people have not been on police radar for a long time....however thanks to our court system...one almost has to have a video of them doing the killing to get them charged and found guilty...our system  to me seems to protect the crims far more than it does the public.

That's my point exactly.

This ideal of "freedom and civil rights" is being manipulated to suit the criminal/scumbag element, and the do-gooder extremists are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

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So how does one go about conducting proof of a mental illness? Would there be brain scans, etc? If they come to the conclusion you're no longer a threat, what happens next? Are they set free? Do you think there's a possibility that people out there would feign mental illness to avoid harsher punishments?

No real idea. I guess they get a few shrinks and psychologists to assess the person - experts assigned by either the court or the prosecution.
You're assuming that getting sent to a psych institution is a lesser punishment.
Yes, they are usually set free when found to be no longer a threat.

Sure, there's a possibility that people feign mental illness - and it happens, but it's far less frequent than what you'd think - with even less frequency of success.

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

Quote: So how does one go about conducting proof of a mental illness? Would there be brain scans, etc? If they come to the conclusion you're no longer a threat, what happens next? Are they set free? Do you think there's a possibility that people out there would feign mental illness to avoid harsher punishments? No real idea. I guess they get a few shrinks and psychologists to assess the person - experts assigned by either the court or the prosecution. You're assuming that getting sent to a psych institution is a lesser punishment. Yes, they are usually set free when found to be no longer a threat. Sure, there's a possibility that people feign mental illness - and it happens, but it's far less frequent than what you'd think - with even less frequency of success.

I once visited a friend in a mental ward... it seems much nicer than jail. But I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean it's the same everywhere.

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I once visited a friend in a mental ward... it seems much nicer than jail

The mental ward they go to is usually part of the jail - or a special psych institution for criminals - although I doubt whether they still exist in these "cost cutting/cost-benefit analysis/show a surplus" days.

It seems that our "justice" system has simply lost its way, or perhaps never had its way in the first place.

The crime and punishment system is not at all about justice and very much all about money - that is what is reflected in the cases linked - money simply buys a different view on what is just...

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Quote: It is indeed a mad world, where "law" counts for nothing and can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda. Lawyers destroy justice in a court of law by searching for "loopholes" in cases, to ensure that they win the case (driven by money and status) and the whole point of a court of law goes down the drain in favour of somebody's agenda, it suddenly doesn't matter if person is or isn't guilty. I think you've got an incorrect perception of our court system and I don't think you're aware of what the conviction rates are in our courts. For violent crime, it's well over 80% - for something like homicide then over 90%. Far less than 1% get off on a technicality. Way, way less than 1% get an acquittal based on something like temporary insanity. The only exception is for sexual assault where the majority of cases end in acquittal. These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901.

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These days, if you find yourself in court, you stand a bigger chance of getting convicted and receiving a longer sentence than any time since federation in 1901.

I hope this is because they are getting more guilty people and not that more of the innocent are being convicted and punished more harshly.

Very often when you see numbers skew the cause is of concern.  Have they got better at catching guilty people or just better at convicting people who are not guilty?

I don't mind the personal abuse ~  it's the deliberate and constant vandalising of threads by the usual Gang of Five that is finally wearing me down and having me look elsewhere for my posting activities.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

I don't mind the personal abuse ~  it's the deliberate and constant vandalising of threads by the usual Gang of Five that is finally wearing me down and having me look elsewhere for my posting activities.

I can sympathise with you Herbert. There's nothing worse than seeing a good thread being trashed. Some of us put thought into our posts and then they get lost amongst the litter.

Maybe we should start posting our political views in the member run boards. You could change the name of your forum to Political Cats and Critters. Strictly political threads could be separated and you could have complete control over the posts.

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

I can sympathise with you Herbert. There's nothing worse than seeing a good thread being trashed. Some of us put thought into our posts and then they get lost amongst the litter. Maybe we should start posting our political views in the member run boards. You could change the name of your forum to Political Cats and Critters. Strictly political threads could be separated and you could have complete control over the posts.

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

I'll explore that idea, Lady Mantra.  :)

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed.

As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile.

As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course.

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 8:33am: That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed. As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile. As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course.

I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff.

I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about.

The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though.

Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 8:33am: That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed. As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile. As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course. I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff. I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about. The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though. Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else.

It is not owned by Freediver.  It has been a gypsy forum for decades, owned by the Members, merely presently hosted by freediver....something he volunteered to do a couple of years ago.

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 2:23pm: mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 8:33am: That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed. As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile. As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course. I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff. I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about. The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though. Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else. It is not owned by Freediver.  It has been a gypsy forum for decades, owned by the Members, merely presently hosted by freediver....something he volunteered to do a couple of years ago.

I apologise, I've seen people state that it's owned by FD.

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I apologise, I've seen people state that it's owned by FD.

No worries - I have seen those posts as well.  Thought I'd take this opportunity to correct that developing error, to nip it in the bud.

That was most likely me Freedumb, as I thought he was!

Oops !

:D

I can understand how it could be misconstrued, though.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 2:37pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 2:23pm: mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 8:33am: That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed. As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile. As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course. I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff. I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about. The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though. Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else. It is not owned by Freediver.  It has been a gypsy forum for decades, owned by the Members, merely presently hosted by freediver....something he volunteered to do a couple of years ago. I apologise, I've seen people state that it's owned by FD.

Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol. 

The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left   :)

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 7:28am: I don't mind the personal abuse ~  it's the deliberate and constant vandalising of threads by the usual Gang of Five that is finally wearing me down and having me look elsewhere for my posting activities. I can sympathise with you Herbert. There's nothing worse than seeing a good thread being trashed. Some of us put thought into our posts and then they get lost amongst the litter. Maybe we should start posting our political views in the member run boards. You could change the name of your forum to Political Cats and Critters. Strictly political threads could be separated and you could have complete control over the posts.

hahaha.. sorry to say this herb.... b ut I am glad someone else gets what I seem to get...

I call them the gang of 4 you have a gang of 5....

and some cajole until others join in and the BAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAING goes on and on....

I tend to step in when I see it...it spreads negativity and FOR WHAT????..... they are like the bullies at the school gate waiting to pick on the little guy who is alone.. cowards the lot of them


one should not have to retreat mantra??  that isnt right.  the thing is its usually the same people.. AMAZING

Yes that gang of four or five get on my goat too!

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.  The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left

I was going to say..money has to be involved somewhere.... ::) ::)nothing is free..

as for the FAKE votes...I was one of them.. I never joined or left!!!!!!...

how unbelievably immature of someone to sink that low....to be that desperate to win is....... sad.

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:27pm: Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.  The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left I was going to say..money has to be involved somewhere.... ::) ::)nothing is free.. as for the FAKE votes...I was one of them.. I never joined or left!!!!!!... how unbelievably immature of someone to sink that low....to be that desperate to win is....... sad.

Money is not involved.  PA hangs off this place.....same server and 'hosting' it as freediver does, costs him not an additional brass razoo.

And cods, if you are suggesting I registered your tag there, and used it to vote, you are wrong.  I'd appreciate it if you withdrew that inference.

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:42pm: Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:27pm: Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.  The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left I was going to say..money has to be involved somewhere.... ::) ::)nothing is free.. as for the FAKE votes...I was one of them.. I never joined or left!!!!!!... how unbelievably immature of someone to sink that low....to be that desperate to win is....... sad. Money is not involved.  PA hangs off this place.....same server and 'hosting' it as freediver does, costs him not an additional brass razoo. And cods, if you are suggesting I registered your tag there, and used it to vote, you are wrong.  I'd appreciate it if you withdrew that inference.

Whether, or not, it costs Freediver any 'additional' money to host PA is hardly the point.   Freediver IS the host ..  as he is here.

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:04pm: cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:42pm: Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:27pm: Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.  The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left I was going to say..money has to be involved somewhere.... ::) ::)nothing is free.. as for the FAKE votes...I was one of them.. I never joined or left!!!!!!... how unbelievably immature of someone to sink that low....to be that desperate to win is....... sad. Money is not involved.  PA hangs off this place.....same server and 'hosting' it as freediver does, costs him not an additional brass razoo. And cods, if you are suggesting I registered your tag there, and used it to vote, you are wrong.  I'd appreciate it if you withdrew that inference. Whether, or not, it costs Freediver any 'additional' money to host PA is hardly the point.   Freediver IS the host ..  as he is here.

Yeas he is the *host.................not the owner, and to do *that has not cost him a zac.

Sounds like an academic argument to me.

He pays for and hosts the site, so therefore he has all the current data.

Even if he doesnt own the domain name he virtually controls it as only he can hand over the data if he wishes to, so the domain owner if there is one apart from FD would have to start from scratch

Much ado about nothing.

FD is king!

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 7:41am: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 7:28am: I don't mind the personal abuse ~  it's the deliberate and constant vandalising of threads by the usual Gang of Five that is finally wearing me down and having me look elsewhere for my posting activities. I can sympathise with you Herbert. There's nothing worse than seeing a good thread being trashed. Some of us put thought into our posts and then they get lost amongst the litter. Maybe we should start posting our political views in the member run boards. You could change the name of your forum to Political Cats and Critters. Strictly political threads could be separated and you could have complete control over the posts. hahaha.. sorry to say this herb.... b ut I am glad someone else gets what I seem to get... I call them the gang of 4 you have a gang of 5.... and some cajole until others join in and the BAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAING goes on and on.... I tend to step in when I see it...it spreads negativity and FOR WHAT????..... they are like the bullies at the school gate waiting to pick on the little guy who is alone.. cowards the lot of them one should not have to retreat mantra??  that isnt right.  the thing is its usually the same people.. AMAZING

That is a very good point Cods. Retreating cowers you - moving forward is emboldening. That doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level.

Yes - no matter what side of politics you're on -  there are always the same people ad nauseam year after year.

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:42pm: Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:27pm: Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.  The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left I was going to say..money has to be involved somewhere.... ::) ::)nothing is free.. as for the FAKE votes...I was one of them.. I never joined or left!!!!!!... how unbelievably immature of someone to sink that low....to be that desperate to win is....... sad. Money is not involved.  PA hangs off this place.....same server and 'hosting' it as freediver does, costs him not an additional brass razoo. And cods, if you are suggesting I registered your tag there, and used it to vote, you are wrong.  I'd appreciate it if you withdrew that inference.

and all the advertising is for free..  ::) ::)

did I use your ID???... if you are making suggestion I did....then  I suggest you withdraw them...


did you complain to PA.. that a fraud had been affected in the voting over there??>..

I do not recall you complaining on here when it was pointed out to myself my ID had been used without my consent...if this had not occurred I would be none the wiser..

.I do not recall you advising me about the fake.... >:(

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 2:44pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 2:37pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 2:23pm: mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 8:33am: That sounds like a possible solution to the problem of people arriving to do little more than tag your posts with ad hominem one-liners, for other graffiti vandals to then arrive with the sole intention of choking off any serious attention to the subject being proposed. As Cods has said so many times, we can be thankful that some of these people aren't our neighbours. In reality most people are friendly and polite, listen to what you have to say and give their point of view, but the internet is a different world. It can be very hostile. As much as it would make our experience on a forum more enjoyable, we can't even hope that these people will become civil and rational. Perhaps they wouldn't know how to anyway. Computers have changed the way some people think. They can hide behind their keyboards and create various personas from their clever games or violent movies. It makes them feel powerful and important when they destroy a thread or heap a pile of insults on an unsuspecting member. They can't be smart and tough in reality, but think they're representing those qualities online. They haven't got a clue. We should really feel sorry for them and instead of letting them upset us - offer them compassion and understanding. That's easier said than done of course. I visited "the tavern" forum and read something, or what my impression was, of people on a different forum "political animal" also owned by freediver, supposedly imitating members from this forum and "trolling" as well as identity hacking and a bunch of other stuff. I laughed. I couldn't comment because A.G the moderator there, closed the threads, within reason, because she seems to be having the same problems as what you guys are talking about. The only place I can seem to manage to have a mature discussion , ironically, is the Spirituality and Fringe forums, though the Fringe forum isn't very popular. That's probably a good thing though. Yes, it's very sad that the "internet warriors" feel the need to virtually manifest their true natures in a place where they can remain anonymous, because they are also cowards. We should pity them, really. But there will come a time where the internet will be censored and won't allow anybody to say what they think -- because of this minority of cowards, even people who have good intentions and want to discuss rather than abuse will be treated as such. It's the same pattern -- the minority will ruin it for everybody else. It is not owned by Freediver.  It has been a gypsy forum for decades, owned by the Members, merely presently hosted by freediver....something he volunteered to do a couple of years ago. I apologise, I've seen people state that it's owned by FD. Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.  The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left   :)

Oh dear, seems somebody has hijacked my name for purposes on that site already. That was not me. I've never been on that site before.

mantra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

That is a very good point Cods. Retreating cowers you - moving forward is emboldening. That doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level. Yes - no matter what side of politics you're on -  there are always the same people ad nauseam year after year.

toooooo right.. united we stand..lol.

it is comforting to know we are not alone when they come out with their snide comments or stuffing up peoples threads for no reason other than being a plain arsehole no other word for them..

they know who they are.. :D

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 3:27pm: Technically it is owned by Freediver.  He pays the fees to host it alongside OzPol.  The difference is that PA has elections for the Admin position.  One was held recently, as you know, because yours was one of the many names from OzPol (either real or cloned) who went over to vote for aussie ...  then immediately left I was going to say..money has to be involved somewhere.... ::) ::)nothing is free.. as for the FAKE votes...I was one of them.. I never joined or left!!!!!!... how unbelievably immature of someone to sink that low....to be that desperate to win is....... sad.

I concur. It's really funny though  :D

If it wasn't you, Aussie, you clearly have someone who thinks quite highly of you.  :)

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:44pm: That is a very good point Cods. Retreating cowers you - moving forward is emboldening. That doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level. Yes - no matter what side of politics you're on -  there are always the same people ad nauseam year after year. toooooo right.. united we stand..lol. it is comforting to know we are not alone when they come out with their snide comments or stuffing up peoples threads for no reason other than being a plain arsehole no other word for them.. they know who they are.. :D

The great thing is, is that we who are not alone as you say, can unite despite our own differences. For instance, you would probably disagree with my opinions as I would probably disagree with yours, though we have some clear common ground.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:58pm:

cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:55pm: mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:44pm: That is a very good point Cods. Retreating cowers you - moving forward is emboldening. That doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level. Yes - no matter what side of politics you're on -  there are always the same people ad nauseam year after year. toooooo right.. united we stand..lol. it is comforting to know we are not alone when they come out with their snide comments or stuffing up peoples threads for no reason other than being a plain arsehole no other word for them.. they know who they are.. :D The great thing is, is that we who are not alone as you say, can unite despite our own differences. For instance, you would probably disagree with my opinions as I would probably disagree with yours, though we have some clear common ground.

mantra and I are on completely different levels when it comes to politics...

how ever we should all be on the same page when it comes to cowardly bullying... ganging up call it what you will..   we are adults...think about the young ones who now cop it through this awful medium called the Internet...

its abuse of privilege really...

the trouble with the net. is we dont seen the pain we inflict...no eyes to look at no body language...

its a cop out...we need to take responsibility for our actions.. even if they are not intended the point is they inflict pain...its wrong and I am glad we are on the same page with that.....thats 3 of us.. ;D ;D ;D

2 lefties and 1 righty...

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Sounds like an academic argument to me. He pays for and hosts the site, so therefore he has all the current data. Even if he doesnt own the domain name he virtually controls it as only he can hand over the data if he wishes to, so the domain owner if there is one apart from FD would have to start from scratch Much ado about nothing. FD is king!

Exactly.

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 5:06pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:58pm: cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:55pm: mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:44pm: That is a very good point Cods. Retreating cowers you - moving forward is emboldening. That doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level. Yes - no matter what side of politics you're on -  there are always the same people ad nauseam year after year. toooooo right.. united we stand..lol. it is comforting to know we are not alone when they come out with their snide comments or stuffing up peoples threads for no reason other than being a plain arsehole no other word for them.. they know who they are.. :D The great thing is, is that we who are not alone as you say, can unite despite our own differences. For instance, you would probably disagree with my opinions as I would probably disagree with yours, though we have some clear common ground. mantra and I are on completely different levels when it comes to politics... how ever we should all be on the same page when it comes to cowardly bullying... ganging up call it what you will..   we are adults...think about the young ones who now cop it through this awful medium called the Internet... its abuse of privilege really... the trouble with the net. is we dont seen the pain we inflict...no eyes to look at no body language... its a cop out...we need to take responsibility for our actions.. even if they are not intended the point is they inflict pain...its wrong and I am glad we are on the same page with that.....thats 3 of us.. ;D ;D ;D 2 lefties and 1 righty...

If the third person is me, I'm not a leftie, but I'm not a righty either. I agree with some "ideologies" and I disagree with other "ideologies" of both.

Besides, politicians don't necessarily make decisions that fit their ideologies but I won't get into that.  :P

Quote:

did you complain to PA.. that a fraud had been affected in the voting over there??>.

No.....I complained directly to freediver.

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

Quote: did you complain to PA.. that a fraud had been affected in the voting over there??>. No.....I complained directly to freediver.

so you say????.. why not put a thread on here for all to see.

It is what I would have done

completely disowning anything to do with it..

why only complain to FD when you claim he basically has nothing to do with PA...and or the running of it...????

someone went to the trouble of doing it..

arent you even in the least bit interested in finding out   WHO and how?.. after all whos to say any of the posts you put up over there are your own.. and not this...impersonator?.. it is after all not only your name that was highjacked.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 5:06pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:58pm: cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:55pm: mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:44pm: That is a very good point Cods. Retreating cowers you - moving forward is emboldening. That doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level. Yes - no matter what side of politics you're on -  there are always the same people ad nauseam year after year. toooooo right.. united we stand..lol. it is comforting to know we are not alone when they come out with their snide comments or stuffing up peoples threads for no reason other than being a plain arsehole no other word for them.. they know who they are.. :D The great thing is, is that we who are not alone as you say, can unite despite our own differences. For instance, you would probably disagree with my opinions as I would probably disagree with yours, though we have some clear common ground. mantra and I are on completely different levels when it comes to politics... how ever we should all be on the same page when it comes to cowardly bullying... ganging up call it what you will..   we are adults...think about the young ones who now cop it through this awful medium called the Internet... its abuse of privilege really... the trouble with the net. is we dont seen the pain we inflict...no eyes to look at no body language... its a cop out...we need to take responsibility for our actions.. even if they are not intended the point is they inflict pain...its wrong and I am glad we are on the same page with that.....thats 3 of us.. ;D ;D ;D 2 lefties and 1 righty... If the third person is me, I'm not a leftie, but I'm not a righty either. I agree with some "ideologies" and I disagree with other "ideologies" of both. Besides, politicians don't necessarily make decisions that fit their ideologies but I won't get into that.  :P

fair enough you mentioned us disagreeing.. so I assumed you meant left and right..

no offence meant

btw I am not a diedinthewool righty either....I am deadset against paid maternity leave for one thing..thats for sure..

I don't think anyone is surprised that a bunch of socks voted for Aussie, his sock drawer is full to overflowing. 

Datalife wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

I don't think anyone is surprised that a bunch of socks voted for Aussie, his sock drawer is full to overflowing.

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Im not a sock....... :'( :'( :'(

Quote:

btw I am not a diedinthewool righty either....I am deadset against paid maternity leave for one thing..thats for sure..

Ummmm paid maternity leave is a left kind of thing - not right.

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 5:41pm: Quote: did you complain to PA.. that a fraud had been affected in the voting over there??>. No.....I complained directly to freediver. so you say????.. why not put a thread on here for all to see. It is what I would have done completely disowning anything to do with it.. why only complain to FD when you claim he basically has nothing to do with PA...and or the running of it...???? someone went to the trouble of doing it.. arent you even in the least bit interested in finding out   WHO and how?.. after all whos to say any of the posts you put up over there are your own.. and not this...impersonator?.. it is after all not only your name that was highjacked.

Freediver will, if he thinks it necessary, confirm what I have just told you.  I have proof that I did.  There are Rules here which preclude me from saying any more.  Fact is - I alerted him to what I suspected was going on, and he knows that.


Quote:

why only complain to FD when you claim he basically has nothing to do with PA...and or the running of it...????

He was running the most recent election at PA.  Hence, my complaint to him.


Quote:

someone went to the trouble of doing it..

Indeed, they did, and it was a direct attempt to corrupt the election outcome.  There were many genuine Members of OzPol who registered and voted.  So.................my opponents decided to stuff it all up by registering clone accounts and used them to vote for me.  Thus, the concept/plan goes.....if they could show one account was a fraud......why not doubt them all? 


Quote:

arent you even in the least bit interested in finding out   WHO and how?.. after all whos to say any of the posts you put up over there are your own.. and not this...impersonator?.. it is after all not only your name that was hi-jacked.

I'd love to know who did it.  You'd also reckon the bloke who ran the election, the same bloke I alerted to the fraud would want to know too.  Cods....'how' is very, very easy.  Any dummy can do it.

Datalife wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

I don't think anyone is surprised that a bunch of socks voted for Aussie, his sock drawer is full to overflowing.

Aussie pm'ed me some time ago to try to get me to vote for him.

This was many months after I had stopped even visiting there.

I thought it was entirely unethical

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 6:51pm: I don't think anyone is surprised that a bunch of socks voted for Aussie, his sock drawer is full to overflowing.  Aussie pm'ed me some time ago to try to get me to vote for him. This was many months after I had stopped even visiting there. I thought it was entirely unethical

Quite right.

Horrible little man.  8-)

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

There are Rules here which preclude me from saying any more.  Fact is - I alerted him to what I suspected was going on, and he knows that.

Don't do the rules crap Aussie, you break them when it suits. 

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 5:17pm: cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 5:06pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:58pm: cods wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:55pm: mantra wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 4:44pm: That is a very good point Cods. Retreating cowers you - moving forward is emboldening. That doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level. Yes - no matter what side of politics you're on -  there are always the same people ad nauseam year after year. toooooo right.. united we stand..lol. it is comforting to know we are not alone when they come out with their snide comments or stuffing up peoples threads for no reason other than being a plain arsehole no other word for them.. they know who they are.. :D The great thing is, is that we who are not alone as you say, can unite despite our own differences. For instance, you would probably disagree with my opinions as I would probably disagree with yours, though we have some clear common ground. mantra and I are on completely different levels when it comes to politics... how ever we should all be on the same page when it comes to cowardly bullying... ganging up call it what you will..   we are adults...think about the young ones who now cop it through this awful medium called the Internet... its abuse of privilege really... the trouble with the net. is we dont seen the pain we inflict...no eyes to look at no body language... its a cop out...we need to take responsibility for our actions.. even if they are not intended the point is they inflict pain...its wrong and I am glad we are on the same page with that.....thats 3 of us.. ;D ;D ;D 2 lefties and 1 righty... If the third person is me, I'm not a leftie, but I'm not a righty either. I agree with some "ideologies" and I disagree with other "ideologies" of both. Besides, politicians don't necessarily make decisions that fit their ideologies but I won't get into that.  :P fair enough you mentioned us disagreeing.. so I assumed you meant left and right.. no offence meant btw I am not a diedinthewool righty either....I am deadset against paid maternity leave for one thing..thats for sure..

None taken  :)

Nah I meant over our opinions in general, I do recall in the past that we have disagreed on things, though I don't remember exactly what.

I'm also opposed to maternity leave... see, common ground.  :)

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

Quote: btw I am not a diedinthewool righty either....I am deadset against paid maternity leave for one thing..thats for sure.. Ummmm paid maternity leave is a left kind of thing - not right.

true and I was against it then but Abbott upped the stakes.. even worse..

I am sick to death of buying this generations vote.. sick of it..

Aussie wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

ning the most recent election at PA.  Hence, my complaint to him. Quote: someone went to the trouble of doing it.. Indeed, they did, and it was a direct attempt to corrupt the election outcome.  There were many genuine Members of OzPol who registered and voted.  So.................my opponents decided to stuff it all up by registering clone accounts and used them to vote for me.  Thus, the concept/plan goes.....if they could show one account was a fraud......why not doubt them all?  Quote: arent you even in the least bit interested in finding out   WHO and how?.. after all whos to say any of the posts you put up over there are your own.. and not this...impersonator?.. it is after all not only your name that was hi-jacked. I'd love to know who did it.  You'd also reckon the bloke who ran the election, the same bloke I alerted to the fraud would want to know too.  Cods....'how' is very, very easy.  Any dummy can do it.

I think its stunning the way you do your best to wriggle off the hook...

you start up threads on  here... over and over... about duplicate threads.[?]...you baitch about people changing the topic.. yet so it yourself all the time....

yet you dont put up a thread complaining about fraud..??????..

telling fd what does that mean?..shoudnt all those people whos names had been used KNOW.......

it was nefertiti that told me.. on here other wise no one would be the wiser????>..

I am sorry aussie no matter what you say..you have been extraordinarily quiet on this subject....

I am sure the way it was done was very obvious to those in charge over there......

but does FD care about your good name????... I mean why should he if you dont?

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 7:10pm: ning the most recent election at PA.  Hence, my complaint to him. Quote: someone went to the trouble of doing it.. Indeed, they did, and it was a direct attempt to corrupt the election outcome.  There were many genuine Members of OzPol who registered and voted.  So.................my opponents decided to stuff it all up by registering clone accounts and used them to vote for me.  Thus, the concept/plan goes.....if they could show one account was a fraud......why not doubt them all?  Quote: arent you even in the least bit interested in finding out   WHO and how?.. after all whos to say any of the posts you put up over there are your own.. and not this...impersonator?.. it is after all not only your name that was hi-jacked. I'd love to know who did it.  You'd also reckon the bloke who ran the election, the same bloke I alerted to the fraud would want to know too.  Cods....'how' is very, very easy.  Any dummy can do it. I think its stunning the way you do your best to wriggle off the hook... you start up threads on  here... over and over... about duplicate threads.[?]...you baitch about people changing the topic.. yet so it yourself all the time.... yet you dont put up a thread complaining about fraud..??????.. telling fd what does that mean?..shoudnt all those people whos names had been used KNOW....... it was nefertiti that told me.. on here other wise no one would be the wiser????>.. I am sorry aussie no matter what you say..you have been extraordinarily quiet on this subject.... I am sure the way it was done was very obvious to those in charge over there...... but does FD care about your good name????... I mean why should he if you dont?

To those who want to check whether they voted for Aussie over at PA, here is the voting thread.  I suspect there were a few people from here who "voted" unknowingly.  ;)  Including as couple of posters who have commented in this thread. ::)

http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12488

thanks nerf but think you have to be a member now to view over there.....strewth...what have they got to hide?

Neferti wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 7:16am:

cods wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 6:20am: Aussie wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 7:10pm: ning the most recent election at PA.  Hence, my complaint to him. Quote: someone went to the trouble of doing it.. Indeed, they did, and it was a direct attempt to corrupt the election outcome.  There were many genuine Members of OzPol who registered and voted.  So.................my opponents decided to stuff it all up by registering clone accounts and used them to vote for me.  Thus, the concept/plan goes.....if they could show one account was a fraud......why not doubt them all?  Quote: arent you even in the least bit interested in finding out   WHO and how?.. after all whos to say any of the posts you put up over there are your own.. and not this...impersonator?.. it is after all not only your name that was hi-jacked. I'd love to know who did it.  You'd also reckon the bloke who ran the election, the same bloke I alerted to the fraud would want to know too.  Cods....'how' is very, very easy.  Any dummy can do it. I think its stunning the way you do your best to wriggle off the hook... you start up threads on  here... over and over... about duplicate threads.[?]...you baitch about people changing the topic.. yet so it yourself all the time.... yet you dont put up a thread complaining about fraud..??????.. telling fd what does that mean?..shoudnt all those people whos names had been used KNOW....... it was nefertiti that told me.. on here other wise no one would be the wiser????>.. I am sorry aussie no matter what you say..you have been extraordinarily quiet on this subject.... I am sure the way it was done was very obvious to those in charge over there...... but does FD care about your good name????... I mean why should he if you dont? To those who want to check whether they voted for Aussie over at PA, here is the voting thread.  I suspect there were a few people from here who "voted" unknowingly.  ;)  Including as couple of posters who have commented in this thread. ::) http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12488

I would be curious to see if I voted there (and whom I voted for, for that matter)....

Of course, my curiosity is not worth signing up at the place for and your link requires membership.

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:06am:

I would be curious to see if I voted there (and whom I voted for, for that matter).... Of course, my curiosity is not worth signing up at the place for and your link requires membership.

I only saw one other name under mine gandalf...but to suddenly stop guests having a look seems like they have something to hide...

I think its wrong to stop people seeing if they have been used in a fraudulent way..we know skippy is the mod over there so no harm done.. but that isnt the point is it? we do have a right to know..

Sorry.  Since the election over there is over the voting thread has been Archived.  I hadn't realised that it was now hidden unless you log in.

You can view the Membership List over there without logging in.  Check the last several pages (from page 10 or so), those from here who joined up at the end of September are mostly the ones who voted. I did notice that there are 2 Pansi people listed, one as Dame Pansi and the other as just Pansi ... both voted for Aussie.  ;D

Aussie was set up. It was very mean - but then some people get their kicks from being mean.

mantra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:34am:

Aussie was set up. It was very mean - but then some people get their kicks from being mean.

why didnt aussie put it right on here if that was the case???


what are people expected to think?????

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

mantra wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:34am: Aussie was set up. It was very mean - but then some people get their kicks from being mean. why didnt aussie put it right on here if that was the case??? what are people expected to think?????

Maybe he didn't want to kick up too much of a fuss - I'm not sure. I actually fell for it in the beginning and thought that Aussie had been working hard to introduce new people to the other forum. Then there was an avalanche of new members - even those who didn't get on with him. Someone was going through the member list and just registering anyone and everyone.

It was suggested that a thread should be put up in Relationships just to double check these members were genuine.

mantra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

cods wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:00am: mantra wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:34am: Aussie was set up. It was very mean - but then some people get their kicks from being mean. why didnt aussie put it right on here if that was the case??? what are people expected to think????? Maybe he didn't want to kick up too much of a fuss - I'm not sure. I actually fell for it in the beginning and thought that Aussie had been working hard to introduce new people to the other forum. Then there was an avalanche of new members - even those who didn't get on with him. Someone was going through the member list and just registering anyone and everyone. It was suggested that a thread should be put up in Relationships just to double check these members were genuine.

well he claims he saw it straight away..and told FD.. why not tell those who were being used???...

I would be furious if someone did that to me  and Ibelieve there wissomething wrong with their system that allows that to happen...I mean we all have passwords for our IDs dont we??>.and as aussie points out it isnt hard to find out who did it  if you are in the right place!!!!...

would have to be someone who is on both forums and not very nice.. and should be banned from both for life..well thats what I would do.

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

would have to be someone who is on both forums and not very nice.. and should be banned from both for life..well thats what I would do.

I have an idea who was responsible, but someone at the top of the hierarchy has to care that this has happened before anything can be done about it.

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why not tell those who were being used???...

I thought those people whose nicks were used should have been told, but I find trying to right a wrong these days in cyberland is too difficult. Maybe we need more females in charge to nip this sort of thing in the bud before it becomes out of control ?

The members list there is on display I think if anyone sees their name there and don't want it used or did not in fact register PM me and I will remove it.... When I work out how to. ;D

mantra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

cods wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:00am: mantra wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:34am: Aussie was set up. It was very mean - but then some people get their kicks from being mean. why didnt aussie put it right on here if that was the case??? what are people expected to think????? Maybe he didn't want to kick up too much of a fuss - I'm not sure. I actually fell for it in the beginning and thought that Aussie had been working hard to introduce new people to the other forum. Then there was an avalanche of new members - even those who didn't get on with him. Someone was going through the member list and just registering anyone and everyone. It was suggested that a thread should be put up in Relationships just to double check these members were genuine.

By whom? I would personally be just as suspicious of that individual...

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

The members list there is on display I think if anyone sees their name there and don't want it used or did not in fact register PM me and I will remove it.... When I work out how to. ;D

Not that it is my problem, concern or care, but, it seems to me that the issue raised on this board about an election on another board demonstrates that said election was not a legitimately run thing. Regardless of who created the false voters.

That is one point that kind of stands out logically. However, I suspect legitimacy perhaps also does not matter too much regarding playing at elections...

I only joined there a couple of days ago so I am the latest on the members list. 

So just for the record I have had nothing to do with voting which was already over when I joined as far as I know.

:)

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Quote: It was suggested that a thread should be put up in Relationships just to double check these members were genuine. By whom? I would personally be just as suspicious of that individual...

Actually I suggested it and I think another member might have also. I assure you my intentions were not evil. I thought at first they were genuine members supporting Aussie. When the numbers continued to increase - confirming it here seemed the logical thing to do. My offer to put up a thread was declined for one reason or another.

The person who would bother to sit down and register 30 or so fake members in succession would have to be desperate to hurt Aussie's credibility in this way. Yes - the perpetrator should be banned, but it's highly unlikely he will be. Bannings are rare over there.

mantra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

cods wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:00am: mantra wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:34am: Aussie was set up. It was very mean - but then some people get their kicks from being mean. why didnt aussie put it right on here if that was the case??? what are people expected to think????? Maybe he didn't want to kick up too much of a fuss - I'm not sure. I actually fell for it in the beginning and thought that Aussie had been working hard to introduce new people to the other forum. Then there was an avalanche of new members - even those who didn't get on with him. Someone was going through the member list and just registering anyone and everyone. It was suggested that a thread should be put up in Relationships just to double check these members were genuine.

Yeas it was.  Cods......this issue was not kept secret at PA.  It was discussed, and nothing was done.  I am a mere Member over there, and ran as a candidate in the recent election.  If I had been successful, I would have acted to sort it out. 

cods, did you notice a Thread I started here in Feedback titled, 'Important PM?'   Can you guess what that was about?

I did not adopt the suggestion of starting a Thread in Relationships, as I have been trying to keep the PA rubbish away from this place.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

mantra wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:09am: cods wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:00am: mantra wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:34am: Aussie was set up. It was very mean - but then some people get their kicks from being mean. why didnt aussie put it right on here if that was the case??? what are people expected to think????? Maybe he didn't want to kick up too much of a fuss - I'm not sure. I actually fell for it in the beginning and thought that Aussie had been working hard to introduce new people to the other forum. Then there was an avalanche of new members - even those who didn't get on with him. Someone was going through the member list and just registering anyone and everyone. It was suggested that a thread should be put up in Relationships just to double check these members were genuine. Yeas it was.  Cods......this issue was not kept secret at PA.  It was discussed, and nothing was done.  I am a mere Member over there, and ran as a candidate in the recent election.  If I had been successful, I would have acted to sort it out.  cods, did you notice a Thread I started here in Feedback titled, 'Important PM?'   Can you guess what that was about? I did not adopt the suggestion of starting a Thread in Relationships, as I have been trying to keep the PA rubbish away from this place.

I DID NOT MAKE THAT SUGGESTION>..

I suggested a thread.......probably on feedback where this has arisen..PA rubbish it may be... its a blatant use of peoples IDs... that IS NOT RUBBISH aussie and well you know it..

if the boot was on the other foot you would have been making a lot of noise about it...on both forums from what I can gather...

what i have seen so far is most of the names used were not people who are members over there????

is that a coincidence????????????..

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

The members list there is on display I think if anyone sees their name there and don't want it used or did not in fact register PM me and I will remove it.... When I work out how to. ;D

skippy how about putting the list on here as we cannot see the list without joining  PA..which is a bit unfair..

as I am not a member I havent actually put in a complaint,as it is the voting is over and you were elected.. but that to me doesnt make it any less a problem for PA..... and the fact some can use any ID and put up posts without our knowledge or consent...

we did see it happen here a thread about Masterchef I think it was.. the so called author denied it was him...and it was put down as spam...  this isnt spam...

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

I did not adopt the suggestion of starting a Thread in Relationships, as I have been trying to keep the PA rubbish away from this place.

If you were trying to keep the "PA rubbish" away from this place you would not have coerced OzPol members to sign up at PA in order to vote for you in the first place. 

You would also not then have told PA that no OzPol members would post at the 'sewer' of PA until the current Admin was overthrown, you were instated as Admin (because they all really love your style) and certain PA members had been banned.

You crossed the line and whoever said it was 'unethical' was entirely correct.

Naturally PA wanted to know why these OzPol members thought so badly of the Admin at PA and its members.  You were asked by several people to make a thread here and clear all these new members that you initially swore as genuine.

Take responsibility for what you set in motion by way of deception.

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

I only joined there a couple of days ago so I am the latest on the members list.

I feel bad for you. You must feel so dirty.

Cods, you can see the memberlist without logging in.  What is being discussed starts on page 10 and continues to page 12.

There is no need to log in to check the Members List.

Just go to the Political Animal site http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/index.php and click on "Members" at the top right of the page.

However, to make it easier, use this link below to take you directly to the Members List

http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/memberlist.php

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 2:35pm: I did not adopt the suggestion of starting a Thread in Relationships, as I have been trying to keep the PA rubbish away from this place. If you were trying to keep the "PA rubbish" away from this place you would not have coerced OzPol members to sign up at PA in order to vote for you in the first place.  You would also not then have told PA that no OzPol members would post at the 'sewer' of PA until the current Admin was overthrown, you were instated as Admin (because they all really love your style) and certain PA members had been banned. You crossed the line and whoever said it was 'unethical' was entirely correct. Naturally PA wanted to know why these OzPol members thought so badly of the Admin at PA and its members.  You were asked by several people to make a thread here and clear all these new members that you initially swore as genuine. Take responsibility for what you set in motion by way of deception.

wow.. aussie said he reported it as fake to FD right from the beginning...

no one coerced  us to join

we didnt know we had..

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 11:09am: The members list there is on display I think if anyone sees their name there and don't want it used or did not in fact register PM me and I will remove it.... When I work out how to. ;D skippy how about putting the list on here as we cannot see the list without joining  PA..which is a bit unfair.. as I am not a member I havent actually put in a complaint,as it is the voting is over and you were elected.. but that to me doesnt make it any less a problem for PA..... and the fact some can use any ID and put up posts without our knowledge or consent... we did see it happen here a thread about Masterchef I think it was.. the so called author denied it was him...and it was put down as spam...  this isnt spam...

I had a look - you can see the list. I am not on it - you are.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/memberlist.php?sk=d&sd=d&first_char=&start=50

Neferti wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

There is no need to log in to check the Members List. Just go to the Political Animal site http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/index.php and click on "Members" at the top right of the page. However, to make it easier, use this link below to take you directly to the Members List http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/memberlist.php

PS.  Anyone on the Members List who did NOT register over there should PM Skippy and ask him to remove your "name" (as Skippy offered on the previous page).

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:04pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 2:35pm: I did not adopt the suggestion of starting a Thread in Relationships, as I have been trying to keep the PA rubbish away from this place. If you were trying to keep the "PA rubbish" away from this place you would not have coerced OzPol members to sign up at PA in order to vote for you in the first place.  You would also not then have told PA that no OzPol members would post at the 'sewer' of PA until the current Admin was overthrown, you were instated as Admin (because they all really love your style) and certain PA members had been banned. You crossed the line and whoever said it was 'unethical' was entirely correct. Naturally PA wanted to know why these OzPol members thought so badly of the Admin at PA and its members.  You were asked by several people to make a thread here and clear all these new members that you initially swore as genuine. Take responsibility for what you set in motion by way of deception. wow.. aussie said he reported it as fake to FD right from the beginning... no one coerced  us to join we didnt know we had..

Cods, I believe the first influx were genuine members here who were either doing aussie a favour or guided by misconception.

Quote:

I DID NOT MAKE THAT SUGGESTION>..

No one said you did.  mantra posted up there ^^^^ that she had made the suggestion, which she did at PA when this fraud was emerging there.  I did not adopt it, preferring, as you can see, to remind freediver about an important PM.  I did not want this Board to have to endure PA dramas.  It has already de-railed this Feedback Thread.


Quote:

I suggested a thread.......probably on feedback where this has arisen..PA rubbish it may be... its a blatant use of peoples IDs... that IS NOT RUBBISH aussie and well you know it.. if the boot was on the other foot you would have been making a lot of noise about it...on both forums from what I can gather...

Be very cautious as to whom you allow your self to be swayed by in this matter.  You may be firing the bullets for others with their own special aganda.




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what i have seen so far is most of the names used were not people who are members over there???? is that a coincidence????????????..

I am not clear what you mean.  There are real, genuine Members here who joined PA and who voted for me in that election.  As is now being discussed, some-one - with intent to corrupt the election process and in a ploy to discredit those genuine people, some-one who opposed my being elected - then registered, one after the other, the names of posters here and voted, one by one, using that name - for me.  There was a rush of them in the final hours before the Poll closed.  The idea is - if it could be shown that one was a fraud, i.e., not a genuine Member here, then freediver would have to spend time and effort contacting many people here to see if it was really them who registered and voted over there.

It is now clear because of what you said, that one of the false new Members was a 'Cods.'

While I would love it if the perpetrator/s was/were caught and dealt with, the chances of that happening are very remote, unless proper authorities became involved, and that will not happen.  Nothing illegal occurred.

The false accounts would have been created using dodgy email addresses for each one, and the false votes would all likely have been posted through proxy servers.  In short, it is a job for IT experts and beyond the skills of freediver, so far as I know, to get to the bottom of.

I should add cods......it is this very sort of crap which I am trying to rid PA of, but it is continually being dragged back into a sewer by a few idiots.  This election fraud is just the latest.

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Cods, you can see the memberlist without logging in.  What is being discussed starts on page 10 and continues to page 12.

yep thanks to nef I finally got it back.....weird  I dont even know when the vote was on...I trust if anyone posts under my name they let me know...as I didnt log on over there I can hardly know what the password is... but someone does obviously.. ::) ::)

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:10pm: Cods, you can see the memberlist without logging in.  What is being discussed starts on page 10 and continues to page 12. yep thanks to nef I finally got it back.....weird  I dont even know when the vote was on...I trust if anyone posts under my name they let me know...as I didnt log on over there I can hardly know what the password is... but someone does obviously.. ::) ::)

As Neferti and Skippy have both said, PM Skippy and he can delete your ID.

Black Orchid wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:21pm: Black Orchid wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:10pm: Cods, you can see the memberlist without logging in.  What is being discussed starts on page 10 and continues to page 12. yep thanks to nef I finally got it back.....weird  I dont even know when the vote was on...I trust if anyone posts under my name they let me know...as I didnt log on over there I can hardly know what the password is... but someone does obviously.. ::) ::) As Neferti and Skippy have both said, PM Skippy and he can delete your ID.

done thank you.. I just assumed it would be used only for voting purposes........but who knows.... anyway I have done as you tell me...so I can now sleep at nights...lol..

seems like I am making a huge fuss about this and thats not my intention....its just such  a sneaky thing to do.. as long as those in charge are aware.. no harm done..

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

yep thanks to nef I finally got it back.....weird  I dont even know when the vote was on...I trust if anyone posts under my name they let me know...as I didnt log on over there I can hardly know what the password is... but someone does obviously.. ::) ::)

Actually - if you wanted to stay a member - and I'm certainly not coercing anyone, if you go to the log in - you can say that you've forgotten your password and request a new one at a different email address. When you finally log in - you can change all the details in your profile.

On second thoughts I'm not sure that will work. I think you have to know the email address you registered with.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

No one said you did.  mantra posted up there ^^^^ that she had made the suggestion, which she did at PA when this fraud was emerging there.  I did not adopt it, preferring, as you can see, to remind freediver about an important PM.  I did not want this Board to have to endure PA dramas.  It has already de-railed this Feedback

Bwahahahahahaha.  From the fool who posted the following on this forum. 


Aussie wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

I'll use this opportunity to thank those Members here who took the time and made the effort to register and vote over at PA for me.  Your votes were ignored, and you were treated as having second class membership.  An opportunity to clean the place up from the obscenity etc NOIQ infests the place with has unfortunately been lost. Skippy, who has been declared the 'winner' ~ congratulations skippy ~ with about less than half the votes I received, has always stood by and condoned that gross activity, so nothing will change. Thank you all.

Is there anything you say that can be taken at face value without that nagging sense of lingering underlying buggerwittery?

Datalife wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm: No one said you did.  mantra posted up there ^^^^ that she had made the suggestion, which she did at PA when this fraud was emerging there.  I did not adopt it, preferring, as you can see, to remind freediver about an important PM.  I did not want this Board to have to endure PA dramas.  It has already de-railed this Feedback Bwahahahahahaha.  From the fool who posted the following on this forum.  Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:09am: I'll use this opportunity to thank those Members here who took the time and made the effort to register and vote over at PA for me.  Your votes were ignored, and you were treated as having second class membership.  An opportunity to clean the place up from the obscenity etc NOIQ infests the place with has unfortunately been lost. Skippy, who has been declared the 'winner' ~ congratulations skippy ~ with about less than half the votes I received, has always stood by and condoned that gross activity, so nothing will change. Thank you all.  Is there anything you say that can be taken at face value without that nagging sense of lingering underlying buggerwittery?

Typical of the silly stuff you generally post.  I made that comment after this matter was raised here.  I did not initiate this garbage here, and you know it.  But, do keep up practicing the knife work.  One day, you'll get it right.......maybe.  There may be an issue with that large wooden thing you have on the shoulder of your throwing arm which is probably affecting accuracy.  You'll need to work on that as well.

Neferti wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

There is no need to log in to check the Members List. Just go to the Political Animal site http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/index.php and click on "Members" at the top right of the page. However, to make it easier, use this link below to take you directly to the Members List http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/memberlist.php

Out of boredom, I browsed that forum last night just to see what it was all about. It appears only about 3 or 4 people actively post, and seems a bit boring to me.

I noticed my name, above cods, on there. Apparently I posted twice  :D

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

Be very cautious as to whom you allow your self to be swayed by in this matter.  You may be firing the bullets for others with their own special aganda

I am not blaming you aussie..I dont think you would be that  blatant at rigging an election...all I say is it would have been better had you informed us of what was happening.. fd aside...basically  if he is as you claim he is... he doesnt care what goes on over there..

anyway I am moving on I have told skippy to remove my membership. if I want to join I will do so but it will be my choice...

I am sure fd will find the culprit.and hopefully deal with them as its not a nice thing to do at all....

not sure what you mean about firing bullets for others.........all I know is... My id was used [falsely] in conjunction with yours....

and it was thanks to someone else that I found out about it....

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm: Be very cautious as to whom you allow your self to be swayed by in this matter.  You may be firing the bullets for others with their own special aganda I am not blaming you aussie..I dont think you would be that  blatant at rigging an election...all I say is it would have been better had you informed us of what was happening.. fd aside...basically  if he is as you claim he is... he doesnt care what goes on over there.. anyway I am moving on I have told skippy to remove my membership. if I want to join I will do so but it will be my choice... I am sure fd will find the culprit.and hopefully deal with them as its not a nice thing to do at all.... not sure what you mean about firing bullets for others.........all I know is... My id was used [falsely] in conjunction with yours.... and it was thanks to someone else that I found out about it....

I had no idea my name was over there either until Black Orchid alerted me to it.

It's a little annoying... I mean, if it's just to cast a vote for some forum I don't really care but if that person was to spew BS all over the place using my name I wouldn't be impressed.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

cods wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 4:38pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm: Be very cautious as to whom you allow your self to be swayed by in this matter.  You may be firing the bullets for others with their own special aganda I am not blaming you aussie..I dont think you would be that  blatant at rigging an election...all I say is it would have been better had you informed us of what was happening.. fd aside...basically  if he is as you claim he is... he doesnt care what goes on over there.. anyway I am moving on I have told skippy to remove my membership. if I want to join I will do so but it will be my choice... I am sure fd will find the culprit.and hopefully deal with them as its not a nice thing to do at all.... not sure what you mean about firing bullets for others.........all I know is... My id was used [falsely] in conjunction with yours.... and it was thanks to someone else that I found out about it.... I had no idea my name was over there either until Black Orchid alerted me to it. It's a little annoying... I mean, if it's just to cast a vote for some forum I don't really care but if that person was to spew BS all over the place using my name I wouldn't be impressed.

PM skippy and tell him to remove it as he doesnt know you didnt do it yourself...as has been pointed out a few ozpol. members did sign up over there just so they could vote for the new moderator...

how they know true blue or fake I wouldnt know...so if you want yourself removed pm skip.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:41pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm: No one said you did.  mantra posted up there ^^^^ that she had made the suggestion, which she did at PA when this fraud was emerging there.  I did not adopt it, preferring, as you can see, to remind freediver about an important PM.  I did not want this Board to have to endure PA dramas.  It has already de-railed this Feedback Bwahahahahahaha.  From the fool who posted the following on this forum.  Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:09am: I'll use this opportunity to thank those Members here who took the time and made the effort to register and vote over at PA for me.  Your votes were ignored, and you were treated as having second class membership.  An opportunity to clean the place up from the obscenity etc NOIQ infests the place with has unfortunately been lost. Skippy, who has been declared the 'winner' ~ congratulations skippy ~ with about less than half the votes I received, has always stood by and condoned that gross activity, so nothing will change. Thank you all.  Is there anything you say that can be taken at face value without that nagging sense of lingering underlying buggerwittery? Typical of the silly stuff you generally post.  I made that comment after this matter was raised here.  I did not initiate this garbage here, and you know it.  But, do keep up practicing the knife work.  One day, you'll get it right.......maybe.  There may be an issue with that large wooden thing you have on the shoulder of your throwing arm which is probably affecting accuracy.  You'll need to work on that as well.

Being a far far far better bloke than you Aussie, I will apologise unreservedly if you can demonstrate that the above post thanking members and designed to incite drama was posted after the questions were raise about sock puppetry of members from here.  Over to you.

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm: Be very cautious as to whom you allow your self to be swayed by in this matter.  You may be firing the bullets for others with their own special aganda I am not blaming you aussie..I dont think you would be that  blatant at rigging an election...all I say is it would have been better had you informed us of what was happening.. fd aside...basically  if he is as you claim he is... he doesnt care what goes on over there.. anyway I am moving on I have told skippy to remove my membership. if I want to join I will do so but it will be my choice... I am sure fd will find the culprit.and hopefully deal with them as its not a nice thing to do at all.... not sure what you mean about firing bullets for others.........all I know is... My id was used [falsely] in conjunction with yours.... and it was thanks to someone else that I found out about it....

Whether it was a matter to bring to the attention of relevant people here was a decision for freediver......I alerted him to the issue and offered whatever assistance he needed.  I never heard back from him, and assumed he was doing whatever he thought was necessary.  He is ultimate Admin. at both places.


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I am sure fd will find the culprit.and hopefully deal with them as its not a nice thing to do at all....

No he won't.  Even if he had the motivation, he would not have the IT skills to track it down.  It was a ploy used by my opponents, and you can see some of them posting here on the matter, to discredit the many genuine Members from here who did register at PA, and vote.


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if I want to join I will do so but it will be my choice...

In the immortal words of one who knew PA quite well.......if you join, 'you will need to glove/suit up.'

Datalife wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:41pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm: No one said you did.  mantra posted up there ^^^^ that she had made the suggestion, which she did at PA when this fraud was emerging there.  I did not adopt it, preferring, as you can see, to remind freediver about an important PM.  I did not want this Board to have to endure PA dramas.  It has already de-railed this Feedback Bwahahahahahaha.  From the fool who posted the following on this forum.  Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:09am: I'll use this opportunity to thank those Members here who took the time and made the effort to register and vote over at PA for me.  Your votes were ignored, and you were treated as having second class membership.  An opportunity to clean the place up from the obscenity etc NOIQ infests the place with has unfortunately been lost. Skippy, who has been declared the 'winner' ~ congratulations skippy ~ with about less than half the votes I received, has always stood by and condoned that gross activity, so nothing will change. Thank you all.  Is there anything you say that can be taken at face value without that nagging sense of lingering underlying buggerwittery? Typical of the silly stuff you generally post.  I made that comment after this matter was raised here.  I did not initiate this garbage here, and you know it.  But, do keep up practicing the knife work.  One day, you'll get it right.......maybe.  There may be an issue with that large wooden thing you have on the shoulder of your throwing arm which is probably affecting accuracy.  You'll need to work on that as well. Being a far far far better bloke than you Aussie, I will apologise unreservedly if you can demonstrate that the above post thanking members and designed to incite drama was posted after the questions were raise about sock puppetry of members from here.  Over to you.

Marking your own homework about what a great bloke you are is hardly commendable.  You know exactly in what Thread I made that comment, and it was after many posts were made by others bringing this PA election garbage here.....so......man up, and start that apology.  Let's see how great you really are at self appraisal.

A member of PA alerted me months ago to the fact that someone had been using my name to post over there.

The fact is the names we use aren't like domain names. We don't own them and they are not for our exclusive use on any site except on those which we've registered them ourselves. I could join any forum in Australia under the name of Cods or Mantra etc and I will have done nothing wrong. These are screen names, not legal identities.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 4:52pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:41pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm: No one said you did.  mantra posted up there ^^^^ that she had made the suggestion, which she did at PA when this fraud was emerging there.  I did not adopt it, preferring, as you can see, to remind freediver about an important PM.  I did not want this Board to have to endure PA dramas.  It has already de-railed this Feedback Bwahahahahahaha.  From the fool who posted the following on this forum.  Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:09am: I'll use this opportunity to thank those Members here who took the time and made the effort to register and vote over at PA for me.  Your votes were ignored, and you were treated as having second class membership.  An opportunity to clean the place up from the obscenity etc NOIQ infests the place with has unfortunately been lost. Skippy, who has been declared the 'winner' ~ congratulations skippy ~ with about less than half the votes I received, has always stood by and condoned that gross activity, so nothing will change. Thank you all.  Is there anything you say that can be taken at face value without that nagging sense of lingering underlying buggerwittery? Typical of the silly stuff you generally post.  I made that comment after this matter was raised here.  I did not initiate this garbage here, and you know it.  But, do keep up practicing the knife work.  One day, you'll get it right.......maybe.  There may be an issue with that large wooden thing you have on the shoulder of your throwing arm which is probably affecting accuracy.  You'll need to work on that as well. Being a far far far better bloke than you Aussie, I will apologise unreservedly if you can demonstrate that the above post thanking members and designed to incite drama was posted after the questions were raise about sock puppetry of members from here.  Over to you. Marking your own homework about what a great bloke you are is hardly commendable.  You know exactly in what Thread I made that comment, and it was after many posts were made by others bringing this PA election garbage here.....so......man up, and start that apology.  Let's see how great you really are at self appraisal.

Not at all Aussie, I have already checked, as far as I can see, with the forums crappy searching is that your inciting post was before the sock puppets issue was brought up.

So you lied and furthermore why your claim not to want to incite poo was laughable. But hey, I am human, I can be mistaken, so an apology is yours if you can make the case.

Over to you bozo. 8-)

Waste of time with you, isn't it.  If you take the time to read your own silly attempt to smear me - in this very Thread, you will see it all.  I said I did not want to bring PA crap here.  You posted a quotation where I referred to the PA election, thus attempting to discredit what I had said about keeping the sewerage out of here.  I responded by saying others had already done that....and you have stupidly flipped it over to some other issue.

Fail.  Man up Dude.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Waste of time with you, isn't it.  If you take the time to read your own silly attempt to smear me - in this very Thread, you will see it all.  I said I did not want to bring PA crap here.  You posted a quotation where I referred to the PA election, thus attempting to discredit what I had said about keeping the sewerage out of here.  I responded by saying others had already done that....and you have stupidly flipped it over to some other issue. Fail.  Man up Dude.

Not attempting, did. And not moved on to some other issue.  Simple really, you posted that inciting post before the sock puppetry allegations and before your laughable statement that you did not want to bring PA dramas here.

Easy to prove me wrong, maybe you can find a post that I missed, otherwise it is going down as more Aussie buggerwittery and bullshit.   ;D ;D

Datalife wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 5:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Waste of time with you, isn't it.  If you take the time to read your own silly attempt to smear me - in this very Thread, you will see it all.  I said I did not want to bring PA crap here.  You posted a quotation where I referred to the PA election, thus attempting to discredit what I had said about keeping the sewerage out of here.  I responded by saying others had already done that....and you have stupidly flipped it over to some other issue. Fail.  Man up Dude. Not attempting, did. And not moved on to some other issue.  Simple really, you posted that inciting post before the sock puppetry allegations and before your laughable statement that you did not want to bring PA dramas here. Easy to prove me wrong, maybe you can find a post that I missed, otherwise it is going down as more Aussie buggerwittery and bullshit.   ;D ;D

/end.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

It was a ploy used by my opponents, and you can see some of them posting here on the matter, to discredit the many genuine Members from here who did register at PA, and vote.

Who are you accusing now?

You cannot tell fibs and play people off against each other  (especially from 2 forums that are so closely related) and expect to come off smelling like a rose.  You got caught out.  Accept responsibility and own it.

You allowed a thread in your Relationships forum to reach 400 posts solely bagging PA yet you deleted AIA's posts and discarded the thread when he tried to defend the rubbish.  You cannot play these games and expect not to get burned. 

There are good members at both forums and there are questionable members at all forums.  Let's hope that the OzPol members you recruited don't really think the terrible things about the PA members that you led us to believe and let's also hope that some of the genuine members that signed up will stay and see for themselves.

If they stayed and posted more than just 1 post of "Vote 1 aussie" they will certainly be able to vote for you again next year, if they choose to.  No forum would accept the vote for Admin of a flurry of new posters who make only 1 post for an election.  It's ludicrous.  If they want to hang around, make more than 50 posts and stay for a year their votes will be counted next time.  I think that's more than fair.

Anyway, the truth is finally out there and we can only hope that some good will have come of this and benefit both forums.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 5:29pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Waste of time with you, isn't it.  If you take the time to read your own silly attempt to smear me - in this very Thread, you will see it all.  I said I did not want to bring PA crap here.  You posted a quotation where I referred to the PA election, thus attempting to discredit what I had said about keeping the sewerage out of here.  I responded by saying others had already done that....and you have stupidly flipped it over to some other issue. Fail.  Man up Dude. Not attempting, did. And not moved on to some other issue.  Simple really, you posted that inciting post before the sock puppetry allegations and before your laughable statement that you did not want to bring PA dramas here. Easy to prove me wrong, maybe you can find a post that I missed, otherwise it is going down as more Aussie buggerwittery and bullshit.   ;D ;D /end.

As usual, when checked your claims are bullshit, and you of course would rather this embarrassment go away.  I look forward to your next attempt at bullshit, lies and buggerwittery, cos it will happen, you cannot help yourself.

Wow, Aussie sure must have some super cyber pheromones,  he can coerce people to join a forum that they have previously shown little to no interest in.

Coerce no less, that is some serious power right there.

Given this, it seems to me that it is quite obvious why posters are quite rightly terrified of this evil cyber genius.

It therefore seems wholly inconsistent with logic to assume that this same very powerful and terrifying evil cyber genius would then stoop so low as to create a bunch of socks in the names of some who he had already (apparently) been in the process of coercing. I mean, evil cyber genius then absolutely stoopid transparent deception? Seriously guys?

Of course the credibility just keeps on rolling out the door here doesn't it, after all, the "election" was obviously tainted with dishonesty, and yet, we have a result and a newly appointed admin.... I think if you are going to try to mimic a democratic process it would seem apt to call of the ballot that was tainted and start again, well, if you want some level of credibility.

As to Aussie asking friends, acquaintances or even protagonists from this board to join up and consider voting for him (bare in mind, some may have joined up to specifically vote against him...), then I can't see what the problem is. Hell, some of the new members may actually contribute positively to the PA community.

Finally, crap was always going to come here one way or another, it is a fey political forum, so it will be a magnet for the disenfranchised, the disheartened and the dysfunctional (Damn, I just re-read that list and tick too many boxes...) who will bring some "crap" out eventually. PA crap I think was already here, be nice to get some of the PA good stuff too, but how likely is that?

So, the election happened, one way or another something very unscrupulous occurred during the voting and, rather than this trigger and new ballot, it simply triggered a few comments in a few different threads at an unrelated board....

Admin must be such a chore...

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be nice to get some of the PA good stuff too,

It sure would....but, once again, the opportunity was lost, and now, the PA sewer is flowing over to here.  Notwithstanding the efforts of the likes of some, I wanted that not to continue to happen here.

Sure.....I attempted to get new (even some very old) blood over there from here.  I was successful in that small way, but......you now see just how successful those who opposed me and that are.  The whole thing has been turned upside down by the frauds who find the idea of ridding PA of floating turds less than desirable.

Que sera sera.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Quote: be nice to get some of the PA good stuff too, It sure would....but, once again, the opportunity was lost, and now, the PA sewer is flowing over to here.  Notwithstanding the efforts of the likes of some, I wanted that not to continue to happen here. Sure.....I attempted to get new (even some very old) blood over there from here.  I was successful in that small way, but......you now see just how successful those who opposed me and that are.  The whole thing has been turned upside down by the frauds who find the idea of ridding PA of floating turds less than desirable. Que sera sera.

Regardless of what you think, Aussie, you have a TRASHED Political Animal on Oz Pol for years.. IF you hate the place so much (which is how it comes across) WHY do you want people from here to vote for you to become the Admin over there?

It doesn't make sense.

Neferti wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 5:52pm: Quote: be nice to get some of the PA good stuff too, It sure would....but, once again, the opportunity was lost, and now, the PA sewer is flowing over to here.  Notwithstanding the efforts of the likes of some, I wanted that not to continue to happen here. Sure.....I attempted to get new (even some very old) blood over there from here.  I was successful in that small way, but......you now see just how successful those who opposed me and that are.  The whole thing has been turned upside down by the frauds who find the idea of ridding PA of floating turds less than desirable. Que sera sera. Regardless of what you think, Aussie, you have a TRASHED Political Animal on Oz Pol for years.. IF you hate the place so much (which is how it comes across) WHY do you want people from here to vote for you to become the Admin over there? It doesn't make sense.

That is incorrect.

/end.

Aussie has been imping OzPol members at PA for years.  Nothing new ...

AiA wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Aussie has been imping OzPol members at PA for years.  Nothing new ...

Rubbish.   Absolute rubbish, and it is a waste of time asking you for evidence, because there is none.  I have not established one account under an OzPol tag.....not one.  Was it you who registered all those frauds at PA?  Could very well be, given you have done all you can to prevent PA getting a spruce up.  You had the motive, and you especially had the capacity, given you had access to all the Board control buttons as Admin there.

You ought be banned from here for that malicious crap.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 7:44pm: Aussie has been imping OzPol members at PA for years.  Nothing new ... Rubbish.   Absolute rubbish, and it is a waste of time asking you for evidence, because there is none.  I have not established one account under an OzPol tag.....not one.  Was it you who registered all those frauds at PA?  Could very well be, given you have done all you can to prevent PA getting a spruce up.  You had the motive, and you especially had the capacity, given you had access to all the Board control buttons as Admin there. You ought be banned from here for that malicious crap.

Temper, temper. Calm down, Aussie. ;D

Neferti wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 7:59pm: AiA wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 7:44pm: Aussie has been imping OzPol members at PA for years.  Nothing new ... Rubbish.   Absolute rubbish, and it is a waste of time asking you for evidence, because there is none.  I have not established one account under an OzPol tag.....not one.  Was it you who registered all those frauds at PA?  Could very well be, given you have done all you can to prevent PA getting a spruce up.  You had the motive, and you especially had the capacity, given you had access to all the Board control buttons as Admin there. You ought be banned from here for that malicious crap. Temper, temper. Calm down, Aussie. ;D

No temper.  Just fact.  That is what I deal in, never, ever emotion.  You, AiA and BO have your special, yet petty agenda, and it is a shame you had to bring it here forcing me to respond to it. What part did you play in setting up those bogus accounts?  You seem very active here about them.

It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin.
Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win.
Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::)

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::)

Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA?

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::)

More lies.  I have made no such comment.   Very easy to prove me wrong, isn't it skippy.  Link?

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA?

No luck for you yet, even though skippy has been reading here and has been at PA for at least an hour.  I'm sure it will be sorted soon enough. 

Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:29pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA? No luck for you yet, even though skippy has been reading here and has been at PA for at least an hour.  I'm sure it will be sorted soon enough.  Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there.

I have no clue if that is true or not, but I look forward to seeing you post some evidence of similar weight to that which you demand from others making similar claims.

Datalife wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:34pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:29pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA? No luck for you yet, even though skippy has been reading here and has been at PA for at least an hour.  I'm sure it will be sorted soon enough.  Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there. I have no clue if that is true or not, but I look forward to seeing you post some evidence of similar weight to that which you demand from others making similar claims.

No worries.

Link.

You know how the alphabet works, yes?  And will I get your apology this time?

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA?

No worries, sorry I missed your last post amongst Aussies spam.

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:29pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA? No worries, sorry I missed your last post amongst Aussies spam.

Again....I get dragged in to your petty agenda.  All you have to do is take your tunnel vision off me, and read what people post.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:56pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:34pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:29pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA? No luck for you yet, even though skippy has been reading here and has been at PA for at least an hour.  I'm sure it will be sorted soon enough.  Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there. I have no clue if that is true or not, but I look forward to seeing you post some evidence of similar weight to that which you demand from others making similar claims. No worries. Link. You know how the alphabet works, yes?  And will I get your apology this time?

Apology this time?  I like your chutzpah, no apology from me, you lied.  You posted your inciting post thanking the forum before the sock puppet poo and before your laughably idiotic claim that you don't try to bring PA dramas here.  If you can find a post that contradicts that and I will apologise.

Now, to what looks like your latest outbreak of buggerwittery, you claimed,


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Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there.

and to support that allegation you post a list of members and ask me do I know my alphabet?

That's your proof?  Do you actually intend to appear as idiotic, sneaky, duplicitous and  full of poo as your posts tend to demonstrate or is it just a happy coincidence?

I smell buggerwittery. 

Did you want me to delete all of your dodgy accounts too  while I'm at Aussie?

Datalife wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:03pm: Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:56pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:34pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:29pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA? No luck for you yet, even though skippy has been reading here and has been at PA for at least an hour.  I'm sure it will be sorted soon enough.  Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there. I have no clue if that is true or not, but I look forward to seeing you post some evidence of similar weight to that which you demand from others making similar claims. No worries. Link. You know how the alphabet works, yes?  And will I get your apology this time? Apology this time?  I like your chutzpah, no apology from me, you lied.  You posted your inciting post thanking the forum before the sock puppet poo and before your laughably idiotic claim that you don't try to bring PA dramas here.  If you can find a post that contradicts that and I will apologise. Now, to what looks like your latest outbreak of buggerwittery, you claimed, Quote: Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there. and to support that allegation you post a list of members and ask me do I know my alphabet? That's your proof?  Do you actually intend to appear as idiotic, sneaky, duplicitous and  full of poo as your posts tend to demonstrate or is it just a happy coincidence? I smell buggerwittery.

This is a waste of time if you are not willing to look at that Member list.  JaSin starts with the letter 'J.'  Freedumb starts with the letter 'F.'  Maybe, given the last couple of post, skippy has sorted that one out.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:15pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 10:03pm: Datalife wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:56pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:34pm: Freedumb wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:29pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:24pm: It doesn't mater who set up any accounts! Those accounts  were not counted dont pretend here you were jipped. You actively canvassed people here to register at a forum they had no intention of posting at with your only motive being elected as admin. Those genuine people from here that registered are more than welcome to post there now even though you keep claiming they won't because you didn't win. Funny, not one of them have told me that. ::) Hi Skippy. Can you please remove "my" account from PA? No luck for you yet, even though skippy has been reading here and has been at PA for at least an hour.  I'm sure it will be sorted soon enough.  Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there. I have no clue if that is true or not, but I look forward to seeing you post some evidence of similar weight to that which you demand from others making similar claims. No worries. Link. You know how the alphabet works, yes?  And will I get your apology this time? Apology this time?  I like your chutzpah, no apology from me, you lied.  You posted your inciting post thanking the forum before the sock puppet poo and before your laughably idiotic claim that you don't try to bring PA dramas here.  If you can find a post that contradicts that and I will apologise. Now, to what looks like your latest outbreak of buggerwittery, you claimed, Quote: Your friend JaSin also has an imped  account over there. and to support that allegation you post a list of members and ask me do I know my alphabet? That's your proof?  Do you actually intend to appear as idiotic, sneaky, duplicitous and  full of poo as your posts tend to demonstrate or is it just a happy coincidence? I smell buggerwittery.  This is a waste of time if you are not willing to look at that Member list.  JaSin starts with the letter 'J.'  Freedumb starts with the letter 'F.'  Maybe, given the last couple of post, skippy has sorted that one out.

Too much of a waste of time for you to explain as well it seems.  To break it down, your claim, what account is Jasin imping and what is your proof? 

I can't believe Sprint has a thread about him crying with over 171 replies.
He's as bad as Longy:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Longweekend_006.jpg

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 7:44pm: Aussie has been imping OzPol members at PA for years.  Nothing new ... Rubbish.   Absolute rubbish, and it is a waste of time asking you for evidence, because there is none.  I have not established one account under an OzPol tag.....not one.  Was it you who registered all those frauds at PA?  Could very well be, given you have done all you can to prevent PA getting a spruce up.  You had the motive, and you especially had the capacity, given you had access to all the Board control buttons as Admin there. You ought be banned from here for that malicious crap.

Mmmm ... no. Many, many OzPol members registered at PA and voted for you and not a single one of them has come forward to protest Freediver not counting their votes.  Why?

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Too much of a waste of time for you to explain as well it seems.  To break it down, your claim, what account is Jasin imping and what is your proof?

The 'JaSin' here is not likely imping anything there.  I suspect that someone (was it you.....you seem pretty keen on the subject too.....and you have plenty, plenty of motive......) registered the account 'JaSin' at PA and voted for me.  If the 'JaSin' here is the 'JaSin' there.....he gets my apology.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

I can't believe Sprint has a thread about him crying with over 171 replies. He's as bad as Longy: http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Longweekend_006.jpg

The topic has changed a few times, lapses of debate and a few minor moments of peaceful discussion.  ;)

When you go with the "flow" the possibilities are endless.