'the clearly mentally ill people'



Sanity.

What is it ???

Let us explore......

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Let us explore, a little further......


QUESTION #1,
Would, or does, a sane person choose to morally 'validate' behaviour like this; ?????

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OR, would, or does, a sane person choose to morally 'validate' behaviour that results in this; ?????

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Dictionary;
validate = = check or prove the validity of.       confirm.       make or declare legally valid.



QUESTION #2,
Do you consider yourself to be a sane person ?

Sanity.

What is it ???


Easy-peasy.......




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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY. Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
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QUESTION #1;
Do you consider yourself to be a sane person ?



If your answer is, 'YES'......

QUESTION #2;
Are you a competent person, to validate your own opinion, about your own sanity ?         ;)



SUGGESTION;
see again, the simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY, above.

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Lucky the foods good but or the places would be really unpopular!

::)

The above 'insanities' are in general - insane.
But they are legitimate 'sanities' via the violent need to survive by a peoples struggling to exist in a modern world that is currently denying them justice for an existence that was long before a nation, that attacks their existence - even existed.

They have every right to say that Australia is theirs, like Jews rule the USA in its every direction.

So you see - nothing is for free.
You want Australia - you have to make a 'sacrifice',
and who are you going to sacrifice for your Australian 'Sins'
...nothing is for free.

BTW - the South American cure for Mental Illness, was to take the sufferer up those Temple steps and cut his/her head off.  ;)
...but we know South America (Draconia) has a Drug Problem, like Europe has a War one  ;)

I sometimes wonder about the growth of 'Mental Illness' in the Western World - a place where it is infested with its own 'Terrorists' known as Bikers.  ::)

- An excerpt from a book titled Punishing The Patient; HOW PSYCHIATRISTS MISUNDERSTAND AND MISTREAT SCHIZOPHRENIA   
Richard Gosden, PhD

In the mid-1990s an anxious mother began a letter-writing campaign to persuade legislators of the need to amend the Mental Health Act in the Australian state of New South Wales. Describing herself as a medical doctor with experience in psychiatry, she wrote to newspapers and politicians about her twenty-year-old son who was behaving strangely. She said that he was suffering from psychosis but was refusing to be treated. Her problem was that the mental health laws then in force in New South Wales would not allow for his involuntary treatment. To be eligible for forced treatment, her son was required to be at risk of causing serious physical harm to himself or to other people. Being a peaceful sort of young man, he didn’t fit either of these criteria, and so he was allowed to remain free. Out of frustration, she began lobbying to have the law changed. She wanted the criteria for dangerousness removed from the legislation, so that peaceful people such as her son could be forced into treatment if they were unwilling to go voluntarily. Her local member of state parliament, Dr Peter Macdonald, was a medical doctor himself, and he joined her campaign. In an effort to persuade his political colleagues to change the legislation, he read one of her letters into the parliamentary record: 
Our twenty-year-old son developed a psychosis about three years ago. He was a top student at his school, a promising musician, well liked and respected by his peers. Our relationship with him was good, and we had hopes that he would be a well-adjusted adult, able to take his place in society. Today he is wandering the beaches and streets of Manly, to all intents and purposes a ‘homeless youth’.  His psychosis (diagnosed as schizo-affective disorder) takes the form that he believes he has to convert all to Christianity because all are doomed to go to hell. He cannot explain why he believes this and he seems to think that the world is going to end soon. He gives away all his belongings and money to people he believes God is directing him to save, e.g. he gave away $2000 at Christmas. This was his entire savings. For a while he was bringing home vagrants and they would spend the night in his bed while he wandered the streets looking for more people to save. We lost various possessions to these people, some of whom were also obviously suffering from psychosis themselves. He deprives himself of sleep as he believes he has to be ‘working’ i.e. evangelising.  He has lost all his friends and his relationship with us is under great strain as he puts his ‘work’ before all other considerations. But he is not a danger to himself or to others so he cannot be taken to hospital under the present Mental Health Act.  The doctors involved say he would probably benefit from medication for his psychosis and they want to put him on the clozapine programme but their hands are tied until such time as he deteriorates further and does something to actively harm himself or others. Meanwhile his family suffers, his relationships with all his mates are lost, he loses all his money, he smells, he neglects all that he formerly held dear when he was well.  I think it is a disgrace that our society can let this happen, and I know it is not just my son to whom this is happening. It involves many other youths who are also wandering the streets in the grip of mental illness.


Now due to his instability, he is obviously having some rather harmful, or negative outcomes there, but as a mentally unstable person there doesn't appear to be any kind of violent or cruel intentions.

I'll note that this book is written by someone who is a little biased about the diagnosis of schizophrenia, and I get the impression he doesn't approve of said mother's decision.

Though the boy is unstable, he claims to have had an inner "spiritual revolution" or "awakening", and (according to the above) is expressing extremism -- on the "good" side of the spectrum, where as the current ISIS are on the opposite side.

What's interesting is that both sides equate to negative and harmful outcomes. The boy is creating harm to himself by letting people use him, sleep depravation, etc but he is acting benevolent and believes he is doing God's will by acting completely selfless.

Jasin wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:40pm:

I sometimes wonder about the growth of 'Mental Illness' in the Western World - a place where it is infested with its own 'Terrorists' known as Bikers.  ::)

pffffffft, you would have to be mad to see a psychiatrist.

A lot of mental illness is about business and marketing.

Do you consider being angry a mental illness? Isn't it a natural instinct/emotion that occurs in our lives?

I'm asking because I know too many people who have been prescribed Seroquel (sedative/anti-psychotic) for simply just being angry all of the time, with no symptoms of the dreaded bi-polar and schizo spectrum (which it is being used to treat).

It is also a very expensive medication (if one doesn't have benefits).

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

A lot of mental illness is about business and marketing. Do you consider being angry a mental illness? Isn't it a natural instinct/emotion that occurs in our lives? I'm asking because I know too many people who have been prescribed Seroquel (sedative/anti-psychotic) for simply just being angry all of the time, with no symptoms of the dreaded bi-polar and schizo spectrum (which it is being used to treat). It is also a very expensive medication (if one doesn't have benefits).

If you refer to huge multi-nat drug companies pursuing and persuading GP's to medicate with THEIR product..  ??  I'd agree.

But sadly
as you suggest .. much of this product placement has nothing at all to do with real mental illness.  It is simply a good 'business model' to promote products that bring in millions $.

None of these promoters of drugs (legal) are actually concerned for their customers.. they are concerned about their profit. The motivator is greed, not caring.  Altho I won't paint all their researchers and product developers as so unethical..  no ... they are also victims of the big DRUG companies.. At least.. I'll give them the credit of doubt.

But the CEOs.. the Boards..? they are ALL liable. 

Mental illness?? I'd suggest.... ? 
We live in a world of insanity. WE created it.  We are generally  insane.
How else explain the dominance of sociopaths and psychos in world govt.?
We are slowly and painfully doing away with ourselves.

The torture, the wars. The violence. the rape and death of millions thru genocide,  starvation, and disease.. it is there every day on the telly..  in fact the media seem to glory in the death and destruction of human life.

Is this sane.? No I don't think so. We revel in the blood and death... OH yes we do..  Abbott has risen in the polls because he has committed to killing people.

So.. it is no surprise that insanity is endemic.
When our politicians and law enforcement start to exhibit this same irrationality,  we know we are doomed.

And in our secret heart of hearts .. we know this true. :(

Emma wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 12:42am:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:12pm: A lot of mental illness is about business and marketing. Do you consider being angry a mental illness? Isn't it a natural instinct/emotion that occurs in our lives? I'm asking because I know too many people who have been prescribed Seroquel (sedative/anti-psychotic) for simply just being angry all of the time, with no symptoms of the dreaded bi-polar and schizo spectrum (which it is being used to treat). It is also a very expensive medication (if one doesn't have benefits). If you refer to huge multi-nat drug companies pursuing and persuading GP's to medicate with THEIR product..  ??  I'd agree. But sadly as you suggest .. much of this product placement has nothing at all to do with real mental illness.  It is simply a good 'business model' to promote products that bring in millions $. None of these promoters of drugs (legal) are actually concerned for their customers.. they are concerned about their profit. The motivator is greed, not caring.  Altho I won't paint all their researchers and product developers as so unethical..  no ... they are also victims of the big DRUG companies.. At least.. I'll give them the credit of doubt. But the CEOs.. the Boards..? they are ALL liable.  Mental illness?? I'd suggest.... ?  We live in a world of insanity. WE created it.  We are generally  insane. How else explain the dominance of sociopaths and psychos in world govt.? We are slowly and painfully doing away with ourselves. The torture, the wars. The violence. the rape and death of millions thru genocide,  starvation, and disease.. it is there every day on the telly..  in fact the media seem to glory in the death and destruction of human life. Is this sane.? No I don't think so. We revel in the blood and death... OH yes we do..  Abbott has risen in the polls because he has committed to killing people. So.. it is no surprise that insanity is endemic. When our politicians and law enforcement start to exhibit this same irrationality,  we know we are doomed. And in our secret heart of hearts .. we know this true. :(

You are correct. Psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, etc, most of the people working in these fields genuinely care, and probably unaware about the marketing factor that plays into it (with prescription meds).

My interpretation of "mental illness" is really just a symptom of our society. We live in a chaotic world, and people who are incompatible with the atrocities, who actually care for life, get driven up the wall from it all, and become "sick".

These corporate pigs know this, and have figured out a way to profit from it, yet again. They have numerous ways of profiting from a sick society, the original tactic was war.

I am happy that yourself, and many others, can see what's really going on behind the veil. Sadly, most people don't see it because they're caught up in their stressful lives, or simply don't care and adopt the same traits as the few that rule. There may be a small group of us, but we can only try to make the world a better place  :)

Yes Freedumb
we must try.. and speaking out .. is one way to go. 

It seems however,  that the 'world' of humans.. only listen  when they themselves feel at risk.

Whether in fact they are or not..matters not.  Reality means nothing.

Now our govt, and by extension US the voters are now  getting in on the Act.  War has ALWAYS  been good for business.


Fear prejudice hate GREED...   thats all that matters.  :(

People ..?  religion is unnecessary...  people..??

  WE are the creators.. WE are the Devils.. WE are the cause and the recipients of this madness.

God  -- a convenient excuse for atrocities,  manufactured and controlled by the 'priests'...  :P :P :P :P :P

NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

Emma wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

Yes Freedumb we must try.. and speaking out .. is one way to go.  It seems however,  that the 'world' of humans.. only listen  when they themselves feel at risk. Whether in fact they are or not..matters not.  Reality means nothing. Now our govt, and by extension US the voters are now  getting in on the Act.  War has ALWAYS  been good for business. Fear prejudice hate GREED...   thats all that matters.  :( People ..?  religion is unnecessary...  people..??   WE are the creators.. WE are the Devils.. WE are the cause and the recipients of this madness. God  -- a convenient excuse for atrocities,  manufactured and controlled by the 'priests'...  :P :P :P :P :P NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

Religion, sadly, has played into marketing as well. Now I was reading the other night, and I can't remember the exact Christian denomination -- or what century for that matter, but there came a time when they made you pay for your sins and repent with $$$. Not to mention the influx of "New Age gurus" who often sell products, in a spiritual themed shop -- marketing.

I believe in God -- as the energy that flows through humans and all of life. We can use that energy to do what TPTB do with it, or we can do some good. So ultimately, the world is a reflection of what's inside of us/what we've made it.

Religion is just a method of control, and a covert way of making us worship TPTB "the fake Gods". That is their ultimate agenda, after all: it isn't so much about money, as it is about power. Money is simply a physical manifestation or symbol of power. They want to be God, this is why politicians, bankers and other "credible" influences, with the big $$$ have so much of a say in what goes on in the world.

Now Islam actually means "submit" or something like that. Interesting, huh? Look what's going on now with certain elements of the Islamic community... where are the funds coming from for ISIS? Obviously people with lots of money.

The Christian religion is also a great way to keep people apathetic, thus, in control. For instance, one simply just needs to believe in God and Jesus Christ, follow a few rules in the bible (if they break said rules, they can just "repent" by confessing to a priest, then sin is instantly forgiven). It doesn't require one to actually look inside and take responsibility, this, I believe is what true spirituality is.

umm
sorry if this offends

religious BEGAN marketing. 
That is the crux ...  manipulating your 'flock'.

There is NO GOD   (s) ...  only a lust for power.

you say ....
I believe in God -- as the energy that flows through humans and all of life.

Why label this life force GOD.? God is a concept derived by those hungry for power. A fearsome figure.

It is simply that  our right as sentients is to live in freedom from this foulness of faith..

why put up the ultimate BOSS and call it GOD, who must be obeyed else risk eternal damnation?? .

Are we so weak as to need to create the ultimate BOSS.? Who will tell us, on punishment of death and eternal hellfire  HOW TO LIVE.

It is a concept that definitively separates, divides, and destroys 'others'. as well as ourselves. Look at the world today and tell me GOD  is a valid concept.

You don't believe in Jehovah/Jesus/ Mohammed / do you? 

No you don't from what you've said..  so don't get sucked in to this GOD idea..  it harms us all... in the name of good.

If you are inclined to believe in religious dogma  ...Read the Old Testament in the BIBLE. In particular.. the Commandments.

Realise that the people who gather in buildings like churchs are  going against the word of Jehovah, as laid down in the Bible .

Again.. sorry if I offend 

It is clear lots of mentally ill people ( in my interpretation of mentally ill)   belong to Hillsong.
Seen the News. ??

How sickening.. all those people being treated like sheep to be shorn, (ie  $$$$$$$)   or lambs to be eaten  ALIVE,(ie innocents abused) ...   and they are loving it. :( 

Now THAT is a good example of the mentally ill.)

THAT is a genuine crime against humanity.

  Read your Old Testament.. and understand...  ALL preachers in churches or tents deny the word of GOD.

Seems,,  really  NO-ONE actually believes in GOD.  NOPE  they believe the crap fed to them in their rich churches.
Any GOOD deeds done by them are an attempt to achieve salvation....despite the fact that they ignore the basic tenets of their code. Buying the stairway to heaven .
Fools and insane one and all.

i tell you.. it is a sad indictment on the sanity of this human race that we are still fighting in religious wars.

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Not offended at all Emma  :)

I'll word this differently: you're right. "God" is more or less an external authority figure that dictates how we live our lives.

I'll say that some of the commandments are admirable.. but when people start claiming that say, homosexuality is evil, I draw the line. How is it evil to love another? Sure, it's evil to rape another, especially if another is a child, but is it evil that one loves another even if both have the same "junk" between their legs? When has love ever been a sin?

There are some other so-called sins I don't appreciate because they encourage division, violence, prejudice, etc.

The "God" I believe in is completely different to the "God" preached about in organised religions and fanatical cults. This "God" isn't anything to do with authority, it's simply the energy or awareness inside of all of us -- more or less willpower -- which, funnily enough, organised religions suppress, alongside banks, governments, "think tanks" -- their agenda is something common people like you and I are expected to conform to. We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to.

Yeah
We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to.

Yes..don't play along..??   we could starve.. OR BECOME CRIMINALS.

When working in the Psyche Wards.
A large majority of 'mentall ill' people who came in for the night had the basis of their illness due to Religious influences or 'Belief systems'.
The Marvel Comic SuperHeroes of USA Cinema and no different to their population as the Greek, Roman & Viking gods were to their people. Hence why one 'true believer' emerged recently 'As the Joker' to gun down 'non-believers'. A Cinema is like a Temple, where people congregate to 'believe' in something better for a short while.

There are different forms of mental illness. Some is substance abuse, where the brain slowly deteriorates to the point of looking like a rotten cabbage. Of circumstancial 'strain' where the brain can not cope with the exertion it is forced to undertake and like a broken leg, something snaps inside.

I consider Great Britain/United Kingdom a very 'Bi-Polar' nation. It doesn't know if it is part USA or part Europe...
...something it may have to face up to down the track.  ;)

Schizophrenic? Well, when looking after these patients - I never really spoke to them, they already had enough 'voices' in their heads and they didn't need mine as well.  ;)  Instead I would just express myself 'visually' and this occasionally got me a look from the patient of me being 'sly'  :D when getting them to do what I needed of them.

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:23am:

When working in the Psyche Wards. A large majority of 'mentall ill' people who came in for the night had the basis of their illness due to Religious influences or 'Belief systems'.

That is a lie JaSin .


Try, the majority of people who seek medical assistance [or 'come to the attention' of medical staff] showing signs of mental instability or mental confusion, is because of their own misuse of psychotropic ['recreational'] drugs.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:

I'll word this differently: you're right. "God" is more or less an external authority figure that dictates how we live our lives.

Wrong.

And God has put a spirit inside of us, so that we can directly understand what is 'correct'.

But we [mankind] invariably follow the most popular philosophy of our age....

"If it feels good, do it!"



Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.iQuote:

I'll say that some of the commandments are admirable.. but when people start claiming that say, homosexuality is evil, I draw the line.

God says.








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How is it evil to love another?

Sexual lust, is transformed into the emotion of 'LOVE', is it ?

Do you remember.....

"If it feels good, do it!"      ?????





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Sure, it's evil to rape another, especially if another is a child, #1, but is it evil that one loves another even if both have the same "junk" between their legs? When has love ever been a sin? #2, There are some other so-called sins I don't appreciate because they encourage division, violence, prejudice, etc.

#1,
God says, 'Don't do that!'.



#2,
And you spit in Gods face, because you say;


"If it feels good, do it!"







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The "God" I believe in is completely different to the "God" preached about in organised religions and fanatical cults.

God is inside of you, if you welcome him, by respecting his love, and his rules.

If we disrespect his love, and his rules, God will 'abandon' you, TO YOUR OWN DESIRES.

"If it feels good, do it!"







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This "God" isn't anything to do with authority,

No ????

Spitting in the face of your creator - BECAUSE HIS RULES [FOR YOUR WELL-BEING] DO NOT SUIT THE WAY THAT YOU WANT TO LIVE YOUR LIFE,     ....that is OK ?



Exodus 25:8
And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.


Exodus 29:45
And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.


Exodus 29:46
And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.


Leviticus 11:44
For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:....


Leviticus 19:2
Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.


James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you....i


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it's simply the energy or awareness inside of all of us -- more or less willpower -- which, funnily enough, organised religions suppress, alongside banks, governments, "think tanks" -- their agenda is something common people like you and I are expected to conform to. We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to.

It is very simple.

God is a spirit, who gives us a choice, to follow his guiding spirit, or, to be disobedient to his guiding spirit.




Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


OR PUT IN ANOTHER FORM OF WORDS.....


"And what is good, Phaedrus? And what is not good? Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"
Plato
found in, Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance

I accept that God is a spirit, my only problem is, who actually wrote the rules of God?

These commandments were conveyed by man, who spoke to angels/higher beings, who, in turn, gave the message to them.

So technically, men wrote the commandments, not God. Should we simply accept their writing as gospel?

Another problem is, people interpret the bible however they want.... so who's right, do we really know?

If I decide to sleep with another woman, it doesn't make me the anti-Christ. There is no harm done between two consenting adults.

Also, the act of sex is what gives life (between man and woman) -- it is a sin not to be married while doing so, so having a ring and a piece of paper makes the sin of giving life okay?

Yadda wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:23am: When working in the Psyche Wards. A large majority of 'mentall ill' people who came in for the night had the basis of their illness due to Religious influences or 'Belief systems'. That is a lie JaSin . Try, the majority of people who seek medical assistance [or 'come to the attention' of medical staff] showing signs of mental instability or mental confusion, is because of their own misuse of psychotropic ['recreational'] drugs.

...and the cause of that usage stems from  ::)
I spent many a nightshift in those Emergency sections around many different Hospitals around Sydney. I spent many a nightshift one-on-one with these people and listened to what they had to say and express. A lot of young 'Moslem' kids doing themselves harm as they try to cope with intergrating into a nation that is not like the one their Parent's think it should be (re: Religion).
The illicit drugs and alcohol is just the 'icing' on the cake.  :(

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

I accept that God is a spirit, my only problem is, who actually wrote the rules of God? These commandments were conveyed by man, who spoke to angels/higher beings, who, in turn, gave the message to them. So technically, men wrote the commandments, not God. Should we simply accept their writing as gospel? Another problem is, people interpret the bible however they want.... so who's right, do we really know? If I decide to sleep with another woman, it doesn't make me the anti-Christ. There is no harm done between two consenting adults. Also, the act of sex is what gives life (between man and woman) -- it is a sin not to be married while doing so, so having a ring and a piece of paper makes the sin of giving life okay?

Yes - Religion is not written by God. It is written by men who consider it a work 'of God' (of Greatness) ...of Power (over others). After the Sumerians invented Writing (in the name of Sin on the Temple of Ur) to record 'data' so to speak. A few civilisations later, the conquering Babylonians began to use Writing as a form of empowerment over others and not long after that - 'religious' expressions started to manifest via the 'Gift of Writing'.

We now have 'New Worlds' on the map, like North America and via Writing, new Religions emerging. Take Mormonism.
As one Mormon told me on an Athiest Form (AFA) of all places "We know our Religion is crap, but it is our Made in America, religion." Just like Australians like Holdens I guess.

There is only two paths to immortality:
Via Creation of decendents for the physical aspect. Race.
Via Creation of dreams for the mental aspect. Culture.

How 'immortal' has those Pyramids in Egypt been? Sure they disappeared under sand for a while ...but reincarnated into the modern era again. Although the 'body' of the Pharaoh is long gone and his/her bloodline may still be in continuation today, the 'Image' and 'Memory' of the Pharaoh still also continue, even if its just a gigantic 'tombstone' and not an intergalactic beacon of transcendental Raelian empowerment.

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:21pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:26am: I accept that God is a spirit, my only problem is, who actually wrote the rules of God? These commandments were conveyed by man, who spoke to angels/higher beings, who, in turn, gave the message to them. So technically, men wrote the commandments, not God. Should we simply accept their writing as gospel? Another problem is, people interpret the bible however they want.... so who's right, do we really know? If I decide to sleep with another woman, it doesn't make me the anti-Christ. There is no harm done between two consenting adults. Also, the act of sex is what gives life (between man and woman) -- it is a sin not to be married while doing so, so having a ring and a piece of paper makes the sin of giving life okay? Yes - Religion is not written by God. It is written by men who consider it a work 'of God' (of Greatness) ...of Power (over others). After the Sumerians invented Writing (in the name of Sin on the Temple of Ur) to record 'data' so to speak. A few civilisations later, the conquering Babylonians began to use Writing as a form of empowerment over others and not long after that - 'religious' expressions started to manifest via the 'Gift of Writing'. We now have 'New Worlds' on the map, like North America and via Writing, new Religions emerging. Take Mormonism. As one Mormon told me on an Athiest Form (AFA) of all places "We know our Religion is crap, but it is our Made in America, religion." Just like Australians like Holdens I guess. There is only two paths to immortality: Via Creation of decendents for the physical aspect. Race. Via Creation of dreams for the mental aspect. Culture. How 'immortal' has those Pyramids in Egypt been? Sure they disappeared under sand for a while ...but reincarnated into the modern era again. Although the 'body' of the Pharaoh is long gone and his/her bloodline may still be in continuation today, the 'Image' and 'Memory' of the Pharaoh still also continue, even if its just a gigantic 'tombstone' and not an intergalactic beacon of transcendental Raelian empowerment.

Speaking of which, I'm finding many patterns.

Start with Adam and Eve, eating from the "tree of knowledge".

Now, add to that what I've highlighted from your post.

Is it just me, or is it a "sin" (according to organised religion) to have knowledge and think for yourself? If this was so, why would God make us "in his own image" and give us brains? Why give us sexual reproductive systems, and make the act pleasurable, of all things, if it was a sin?

It seems that to simply be conscious and breathing you're a sinner.

umm  word the wise freedumb

getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..   :)

Wisely,  you have not replied..  ;D ;D ;D

Emma wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

umm  word the wise freedumb getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..   :) Wisely,  you have not replied..  ;D ;D ;D

I won't be getting into a neve rending story, debates such as religion are far too exhausting  ;)

I prefer to get my views across and move along.

Emma wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:34pm:

Yeah We are what gives them power. It's like a pyramid -- they're at the top, we're at the bottom holding them up because we slave for our money and creature comforts. Of course, we don't have to do this; but they sure make it damn hard for us not to. Yes..don't play along..??   we could starve.. OR BECOME CRIMINALS.

To become a criminal would be to stoop to their level  ;)

Starve? May as well just take a euthanasia pill now.

I have an idea... find some isolated little island somewhere (provided it hasn't been settled) take along like-minded peaceful people, and go back to basics. Grow our own vegetables, use sustainable energy, etc. Those in power and everything along with it can go get stuffed  :D

Emma wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

umm  word the wise freedumb getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..   :) Wisely,  you have not replied..  ;D ;D ;D

;D



Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe.

Believe what you will.

We all do.


[but consider; what we believe, must determine how we will choose.]

Yadda wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:31pm:

Emma wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01pm: umm  word the wise freedumb getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..   :) Wisely,  you have not replied..  ;D ;D ;D ;D Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe. Believe what you will. We all do. [but consider; what we believe, must determine how we will choose.]

That's very wise, I like that.

I also thank you for not getting on the defensive, as many people on here often do.  :)

Freedumb wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:31pm: Emma wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01pm: umm  word the wise freedumb getting into religion with Yadda is a never-ending story..   :) Wisely,  you have not replied..  ;D ;D ;D ;D Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe. Believe what you will. We all do. [but consider; what we believe, must determine how we will choose.] That's very wise, I like that. I also thank you for not getting on the defensive, as many people on here often do.  :)

I often express 'defensive' [words], and often not very wisely.

But i'm only human, i'm supposed to make mistakes [Billy Joel   :)   ].



I'm just on a journey.

When i get to the destination, my journey will be at an end.

Every day, on my journey, i will make some good choices, and some poor choices.

Do the poor choices i make, 'matter' ?

Yes, they do.

But hey, i'm only human, i'm supposed to make mistakes.              ;)








Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver;I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I have an idea... find some isolated little island somewhere (provided it hasn't been settled) take along like-minded peaceful people, and go back to basics. Grow our own vegetables, use sustainable energy, etc. Those in power and everything along with it can go get stuffed  :D..Freedumb

Well.. I'd suggest something a little different.  There are two Islands that would probably( or not) welcome an influx of fresh blood.

Norfolk Island... which really needs help to survive as an 'independent' society.. linked to Australia..  or

Pitcairn Island.

  Now I can understand why you would suggest an uninhabited locale..  but not practical. Better to commit and add positive input to these existing outposts. 
Sounds good to me.   :)

Emma wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:11am:

I have an idea... find some isolated little island somewhere (provided it hasn't been settled) take along like-minded peaceful people, and go back to basics. Grow our own vegetables, use sustainable energy, etc. Those in power and everything along with it can go get stuffed  :D..Freedumb Well.. I'd suggest something a little different.  There are two Islands that would probably( or not) welcome an influx of fresh blood. Norfolk Island... which really needs help to survive as an 'independent' society.. linked to Australia..  or Pitcairn Island.   Now I can understand why you would suggest an uninhabited locale..  but not practical. Better to commit and add positive input to these existing outposts.  Sounds good to me.   :)

That would be the best option, but it requires a change in consciousness, especially the greedy A-holes in power. A-holes like that don't want change -- change challenges their power.

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Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:15am:

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

Except that in the real world it isn't so clearly differentiated

Would someone breaking the speed limit be classified insane? I would point out that there is no one in the world who could satisfy your definition of sane
You really do have a naive and simplistic view of the world

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 12^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

Would someone breaking the speed limit be classified insane?

Yep, because there are speed limit signs on the side of the road, signifying to stay within those limits. Presuming of course that you're talking about public road speed limits

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 12^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

Would someone breaking the speed limit be classified insane?

Barnacle,

Oh i don't know !


Barnacle,

If you had an 8 year old daughter, and someone doing 100kmh in a school zone, on a school day, outside your daughters PRIMARY SCHOOL, hit your only, 8 year old daughter, and killed her,
would you think that that person was insane, for breaking the speed limit, in a school zone, outside your daughters PRIMARY SCHOOL ?



AND IF YOUR DAUGHTER HAD BEEN KILLED.....
would you argue that someone doing 100kmh in a school zone, on a school day, outside a PRIMARY school, is NOT acting in a RECKLESSLY DANGEROUS way ?

QUESTION;
Isn't every single individual, who breaks the speed limits on our roads, potentially driving in a RECKLESSLY DANGEROUS way ?


Barnacle,

What should be the consequence, for people who drive in a clearly recklessly dangerous way, AND IN DOING SO, KILL SOMEONE ?

And what if the person who was killed by that speeding driver, was     your     only, 8 year old daughter ?

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 12^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

Except that in the real world it isn't so clearly differentiated

Really ?

You are talking BULLSHIT.

QUESTION;
If we witness someone kill another person, intentionally or through a recklessly negligent act,
isn't such a death     'a very clearly differentiated'     event ?

IF WE WITNESS PEOPLE KILLING OTHERS, INTENTIONALLY, OR THROUGH RECKLESS NEGLIGENCE,
THE KILLER SHOULD PAY, WITH HIS OWN LIFE.

That is my opinion.


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The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 12^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

You really do have a naive and simplistic view of the world

Maybe you believe, that i do.

But when i observe what is happening around the world today,
i can witness many 'very clearly differentiated' events !

Many evil, evil crimes being committed, which are not being punished.

I blame all of those people, who choose to look away,     .....INSTEAD OF CONDEMNING THE EVIL WHICH WE ALL WITNESS.


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Yadda, can you at least leave your hatred of Muslims out of one post? This thread has nothing to do with Muslims

You have this very simplistic binary view of the world, and people like you are what causes the worlds problems.

You seem to think that there are only 2 types of people. Good people and bad people.
It isn't nearly that simple.
What that does though is reinforce your tribalism and gives you your warped view on the world where everything is black and white.

You gave the example of a driver going 100kph through a school zone. As usual an extreme example which actually supports my argument that you see everything in black and white.
There are lots of people who did stupid things when they were teenagers such as drink driving or unsafe speeding who then grew up to be sensible valuable members of society.
No one is perfect, we have all done stupid things