You know who you are - and the bare faced fabrications and lies you concoct to smear islam. I expect it from the clearly mentally ill people here (not mentioning any names), but from the people who spend all day every day grandstanding about how immoral islam is, and (by inference) how morally upstanding the values they represent are in comparison, the hypocrisy is simply breathtaking.

Just today...

In a thread about a woman abused and physically beaten in an apparent islamophobic attack, Baron prepares the groundwork:


Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

\ Sounds a bit like Carnita Mathews or when the Grand Mufti Sheik Hilaly reported vandalism and CCTV footage proved them both to be liars. Islam does allow muslims to tell whopping great lies.

But not content to smear this woman with a baseless accusation, he then proceeds to concoct a complete fabrication about the events being reported:


Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

So why is there no mention of hijab being removed, how can you pull hair when hijab covers it? This sounds like another Carnita Mathews to me.

Gosh Baron, maybe the question you should be asking is why was there no mention by anyone except you of a hijab? Perhaps she wasn't even wearing one??

Freediver showing his class:

In a thread titled "muslm 'donations' go to terrorists" FD jumps in with:


freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

So do government funds given to Muslim-run private schools in Australia.

Based on a scandal involving alleged rorting of government funds at islamic schools. There is absolutely not a shred of evidence of any of these missing funds going to terrorists. Yet when pressed, FD retorts with the idiotic:


freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

You need to check the receipts Gandalf.

and...


freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Sorry, it was wrong of me to assume that Australia's own highly respected Muslim community leaders siphon off millions of dollars from their own children's education for sinister causes. Perhaps they donated it to girl guides instead. Have you checked the receipts? I'm sure it is all in order.

This of course is just the tip of the iceberg. It happens all the time.

You people who profess to stand against intolerance and bigotry ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You rail against the atrocities of the muslims, but spinelessly apologise to the bigots who are seeking to do harm against our minority and vulnerable muslim community - and play your own part in contributing to the hate and bigotry against them.

You make me sick.

At least no-one is cutting your head off and putting it on youtube, so I wouldn't complain too much.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

You make me sick

https://gsk.co.nz/images/product-eno1.jpg

@ gandalf

You ought be careful the double edged sword you sit on doesn't render you nutless  ::)

Seriously dude, if people make you sick you need to stop eating them...

Or at least get organically fed ones!

Less than 12 hours ago:


polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:22pm: All 800 of them deserved to die for being scheming Jews 800, 600, 900, 700 - we have a different figure every time. Each one of them had the opportunity to disown the decision of their leaders and pledge loyalty to the state, some did - we don't know exactly how many. Those who didn't are by default guilty. Tough titties - off with your heads  8-)

Sorry for getting all moralistic on you. I'll try to be more flippant in future.

Dear Gandalf,
could I convert you to a Christian?


John 14:


Quote:

[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Therefore you can only have salvation through Jesus not Mohammad.

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

YOMAMA BIN SHOPPING...


HILARIOUS>..

its time to laugh it really is...

when its ok for an 18 yr old to want to cut a coppers head off.. because he searched his bedroom....

but its against all the rules if the copper shot him in self defence...


then there is only one way to save ourselves..


laughter..

this is whats wrong with Islam no humour...

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

do you feel the same about those that HATE all Liberals???????.. your friend el gatto is the leader of hate on libs..guess we can be grateful he isnt into headloping. ::) ::)

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. do you feel the same about those that HATE all Liberals???????..

Yes, I do.

What is necessary is for Muslims to realise that the fear and hate is not without reason, is not random. There is no fear and hate of many, many other groups and religions.
Refusing to see that Islam has fought itself to the position it finds itself in is stupid. It has to be repeated: the serial dissembling, denial and mendacity concerning the malign elements of Islamic theology and the prophet’s character must cease.
Islam will continue to be viewed with suspicion and fear and loathing until Muslims are able to face those malignancies.
Christianity has done it and is continuing to do it, Judaism ditto. Islam must also do it unless it wishes to remain feared and hated until its final victory  :D  when all will have to submit to it.

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

laughter.. this is whats wrong with Islam no humour...

Humour is common sense dancing.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:10pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. do you feel the same about those that HATE all Liberals???????.. Yes, I do.

That's akin to racism.  :(

Are you a racist as well?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

Is that the same hate & or fear that Muslims feel for all those non Muslim infidels? The very same people that have allowed them to leave the shyte holes of oppression that they used to live in & move to countries which offer them freedom from this oppression..... Then yet once there they strive to remain victims of this oppression & seek to change their adoptive countries into the same shyte holes from which they fled.

Time to wake up Annie

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

You know who you are - and the bare faced fabrications and lies you concoct to smear islam.

Oh come on, gandalf, you do but jest!

Who needs to make up lies about Islam in order to discredit it when it's perfectly capable of propagandising against itself with what we see on our news reports every day of the year?

It needs no help from us.

Islam has done absolutely nothing to advance its congregation beyond the 7th century. We're witnessing rampant barbarism across a great swathe of the Middle Eastern territories.

Even the shining hope of Turkey is slowly slipping back into being an Islamocracy again. 


polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

You make me sick.

You're making yourself sick trying in vain to reconcile Islam with being a force for good in this world. Until you admit to yourself that Islam is a shackle and not a bracelet, you'll always be at odds with those who disapprove of Islam's medieval social values that keep your womenfolk relegated to the status of chattels.

Gnads wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Is that the same hate & or fear that Muslims feel for all those non Muslim infidels? The very same people that have allowed them to leave the shyte holes of oppression that they used to live in & move to countries which offer them freedom from this oppression..... Then yet once there they strive to remain victims of this oppression & seek to change their adoptive countries into the same shyte holes from which they fled. Time to wake up Annie

Yeah. Wake up Little Susie.  :P

And speaking of lies, gandalf ~ who was it who was trying to sell us the fiction that the street march in Sydney a couple of months ago by women in hijabs was only a protest that democracy had been suspended in Egypt - and was not a protest in support of reinstalling extremist Morsi to power in a coalition with the Muslim Brothers hardliners?

Maybe Islam should step into the 21st dam century

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:04pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Is that the same hate & or fear that Muslims feel for all those non Muslim infidels? The very same people that have allowed them to leave the shyte holes of oppression that they used to live in & move to countries which offer them freedom from this oppression..... Then yet once there they strive to remain victims of this oppression & seek to change their adoptive countries into the same shyte holes from which they fled. Time to wake up Annie Yeah. Wake up Little Susie.  :P

I tried, but she mumbled something about a headache, rolled over, and went back to sleep.

woof woof wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

Maybe Islam should step into the 21st dam century

Some of us would be happy if they at least stepped into the 18th century.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Yeah. Wake up Little Susie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X7b2E_Jq-k

;)

Gnads wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

Is that the same hate & or fear that Muslims feel for all those non Muslim infidels? The very same people that have allowed them to leave the shyte holes of oppression that they used to live in & move to countries which offer them freedom from this oppression..... Then yet once there they strive to remain victims of this oppression & seek to change their adoptive countries into the same shyte holes from which they fled.

That is an interesting observation, and has a ring of truth.
There is a history of people coming to Australia 'for a better life'....which means, assimilating, sharing craft, skills, recipes, fashions, yet still keep their own ideals and identity, but not to the extent that it will cause unrest.

Any family that migrates, will have children attending school, and those children will adapt, and mix well, if the parents allow them to.
The parents from the old country are set in their ways.
The girls/women are way too suppressed, that is what upsets me. How many stories do we hear, of the father or brother that kills their daughter/sister (honour killing?) because she fell in love with an Australian boy?
Or even wanted to wear nicer more colourful clothes or wear make up?

I've watched the interviews and read books of those that escape these situations, they run for their lives, educate themselves, and try to help the other women in a culture that is so confining, and degrading, that they are not allowed to even have a good education....so if anything we want to talk about that makes one feel sick, this is a good starting point.

I think it is a very important aspect to bring into this topic.
When these women of islamic upbringing are asked where they think they would be if they didn't break away and educate themselves...most say they probably would have been dead.

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Less than 12 hours ago: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:04am: freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:22pm: All 800 of them deserved to die for being scheming Jews 800, 600, 900, 700 - we have a different figure every time. Each one of them had the opportunity to disown the decision of their leaders and pledge loyalty to the state, some did - we don't know exactly how many. Those who didn't are by default guilty. Tough titties - off with your heads  8-) Sorry for getting all moralistic on you. I'll try to be more flippant in future.

Perhaps you didn't get my point FD - You may disagree with my point of view, but I don't make sh*t up to push my agenda.

Do you agree now that the terrorist funding remark is completely baseless and a complete fabrication on you part?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

Thanks Annie - you are right as always.

I'm not going to change FD and Baron's bald faced hypocrisy, but at least I can expose it.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

we are representative of the wider population.

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:21pm:

What is necessary is for Muslims to realise that the fear and hate is not without reason, is not random. There is no fear and hate of many, many other groups and religions. Refusing to see that Islam has fought itself to the position it finds itself in is stupid. It has to be repeated: the serial dissembling, denial and mendacity concerning the malign elements of Islamic theology and the prophet’s character must cease. Islam will continue to be viewed with suspicion and fear and loathing until Muslims are able to face those malignancies. Christianity has done it and is continuing to do it, Judaism ditto. Islam must also do it unless it wishes to remain feared and hated until its final victory  :D  when all will have to submit to it.

BUMP

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Thanks Annie - you are right as always. I'm not going to change FD and Baron's bald faced hypocrisy, but at least I can expose it.

I don't hate or fear muslims,Islam is a stupid idiotic belief that needs blasphemy laws to protect muslims from the truth, some people cannot handle the truth.

Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy calls me a disbeliever,who does Allah call a hypocrite Gandalf?


Quote:

O Profit,fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is hell,and wretched is the destination. quran.com/9/73

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

I tell the Niqabbis they should wear a Ninja mask instead of the niqab if they fear Aussies, nobody will bugger with a Ninja.
:)

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

You know who you are - and the bare faced fabrications and lies you concoct to smear islam. I expect it from the clearly mentally ill people here (not mentioning any names), but from the people who spend all day every day grandstanding about how immoral islam is, and (by inference) how morally upstanding the values they represent are in comparison, the hypocrisy is simply breathtaking. Just today... In a thread about a woman abused and physically beaten in an apparent islamophobic attack, Baron prepares the groundwork: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:17pm: \ Sounds a bit like Carnita Mathews or when the Grand Mufti Sheik Hilaly reported vandalism and CCTV footage proved them both to be liars. Islam does allow muslims to tell whopping great lies. But not content to smear this woman with a baseless accusation, he then proceeds to concoct a complete fabrication about the events being reported: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 1:38pm: So why is there no mention of hijab being removed, how can you pull hair when hijab covers it? This sounds like another Carnita Mathews to me. Gosh Baron, maybe the question you should be asking is why was there no mention by anyone except you of a hijab? Perhaps she wasn't even wearing one?? You make me sick.

As for mental illness i am not the delusional one who believes in Jinns and fairy tales, can you tell us what Jinns are,can a mass spectrometer detect Jinns or are they invisible?

If a muslim woman does not wear a hijab or Niqab how can you tell she is a muslim?

The news article said it was a racist attack, muslims are not a race of people, muslims come from all races,Jihad Jane had blonde hair and blue eyes, the Bosnian muslims are white,perhaps that is because they took the convert option instead of death which kept the Arab genetics out of their gene pool.

The news article also said she was pushed from a moving train, the doors do not open until the train stops,the old red rattlers could have opened doors when moving yet they were removed a long time ago.

Carnita Mathews and Sheik Hilaly did enough to smear Islam when they were caught telling lies to the police, the Lebanese ambulance hoax (Hezbollah Shiites) and the Al Dura hoax (sunni) show muslims have quite a track record in telling fibs.


Quote:

Profit Mo said- He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar. Sahih hadith-sunnah.com/bukhari/53/3

the people in Syria prob won't make you sick.

go live there.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:04pm:

Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy calls me a disbeliever,who does Allah call a hypocrite Gandalf?

I can't speak for Allah, but Gandalf calls you a hypocrite Baron, for claiming the moral high ground, at the same time you invent lies about muslims.

Do you feel just a little hypocritical Baron? Or are you willing to admit your contributions in the train assault thread consisted of outrageous slander and blatant lies?

Yes, by "inference" we are morally upstanding people, compared with Muslim people... All that evidence showing us keeping calm when our western lifestyles are criticised, but showing Muslim people having major temper tantrums over cartoon depictions of their Muhammad. Or when we and our allies pool our resources and go and save the people of Allah from their "waiting for Allah to solve their problems" religion, because they can't overthrow regimes that treat them like idiots, and stir up social unrest. Or how it seems to be one-way traffic for refugees from "Allah lands" moving to Western countries, because of said social unrest, and the cushy lifestyle that even unemployed people (and refugees) seem to have in the western countries. Yes, by "inference", that is.

You probably meant, by "implication".

woof woof wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

Maybe Islam should step into the 21st dam century

I'll even settle for them stepping up into the 19th century standards.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Dear Gandalf, could I convert you to a Christian? John 14: Quote: [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Therefore you can only have salvation through Jesus not Mohammad.

No reply?

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Yes, by "inference" we are morally upstanding people, compared with Muslim people... blah blah blah

You probably meant "a tiny minority of Muslim people"

Well, as I have said previously, I don't have much time, for any of the religions!

That said, I have even less time, for those who preach hate, as it is the quickest way to the destruction of humanity!

If we can not become inclusive of each other, then we will start to exclude the others, who do not agree with "our ideals" & therein is the start of the end!

We need to start to actually talk with each other, to properly interact with each other and we need to both "give & take" , NOT TO SIMPLY TALK AT EACH OTHER!

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:48pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:38pm: Yes, by "inference" we are morally upstanding people, compared with Muslim people... blah blah blah You probably meant "a tiny minority of Muslim people"

Yeah, right! Offer the majority of Muslims a toasted egg and bacon sandwich, and they will do something counter productive to you for the sake of getting 72 virgins.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment.

Very true, Annie, very true.  G. these people are so far gone, they cannot see reality.  They live in fear and thrive on hatred and prejudice.  In short, they are bigots.    ::)

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum.

And you believed they were enpowered to speak for over a billion Muslims, FD?  You need to get out more.    ::)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. we are representative of the wider population.

No you aren't, Sprint, no you aren't.   :P

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:30pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Thanks Annie - you are right as always. I'm not going to change FD and Baron's bald faced hypocrisy, but at least I can expose it. I don't hate or fear muslims,

Yet you spend so much time attacking them.  Your motivation is one of fear, Baron.   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Thanks Annie - you are right as always. I'm not going to change FD and Baron's bald faced hypocrisy, but at least I can expose it.

No.

She is wrong again,    .....as she frequently is.



'ISLAM is peace!'


Right ?




"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260






Quote:

Cognitive dissonance Cognitive dissonance is a psychological term to define the condition that results whenever an individual attempts to hold two incompatible, if not contradictory, thoughts at the same time even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance







http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412086346/0#0

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:26am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:50pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum. And you believed they were enpowered to speak for over a billion Muslims, FD?  You need to get out more.    ::)

Every moslem is a moslem, except the extremists.       [......according to you]






THE TRUTH IS;

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."





The absurdity, of the proposition that 1+ billion moslems, are 'moderate' moslems.....

"Hey!!!! I'm a moslem!!

But i have absolutely no idea what the laws and tenets of my faith declare, and what those laws and tenets require of me - being a moslem!

HONEST!!"


e.g.
"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260iTHE TRUTH IS THAT;

Every moslem expresses reverence for Mohammed - THE WARMONGER, the murderer, the rapist, the pirate.

Why is that ?

What justifies such an allegiance, to such a 'monster' ?

Yadda wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:50am:

Every moslem is a moslem, except the extremists.       [......according to you]

No, that isn't what I believe, Yadda.  If you'd read my posts with an open mind you'd know that.  All Muslims are Muslims.  Some are "extremists", some are moderates and some are in between.  It all depends on what interpretation they hold and believe in of the same religion.  Rather like there are many different types of Christians...  Which group of Christians do you fit into with your Old Testament quoting, persecution of other religions, hatred of dissent from your viewpoint, Y?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:56am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 12:50am: Every moslem is a moslem, except the extremists.       [......according to you] No, that isn't what I believe, Yadda.  If you'd read my posts with an open mind you'd know that.  All Muslims are Muslims.  Some are "extremists", some are moderates and some are in between.  It all depends on what interpretation they hold and believe in of the same religion.  Rather like there are many different types of Christians...  Which group of Christians do you fit into with your Old Testament quoting, persecution of other religions, hatred of dissent from your viewpoint, Y?   ::)

The fewer muslims we have the better they adjust to our society. As their numbers increase they become more arrogant and they start to push their views, customs and laws onto us.  We don't need them here. We can drive taxis too and we won't starve without kebabs. There is no real value they bring here. No real value to us.

Wow - that title just had to get me here...

If it makes you happy.. Islam is a murderous, heartless, fascist, narrow-minded, flea-brained, dumbassed perversion of humanity that soaks itself in the blood of true anti-Islamic martyrs while its proclaimants hold themselves up as righteous fiends while holding up heads of innocents who have done them no harm and have even often give their 'cause' - if the adherents themselves could ever begin to understand it with their sub-zero IQs - a fair hearing in the world ear.

Murderers, thieves, liars, and the spawn of Shaitan all....  Allah turns his face on you - that is why you follow the false God and Shaitan rules your minds and hearts and makes you less than animals......... with rag heads....

I really have to wonder why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off.

They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same.....they refuse to step out of their self imposed safety zone to meet the Muslim community (aquascoot excepted). They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush.

They are typical right wing extremists, narrow minded and uninformed and nothing you say will change their rhetoric.

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:02am:

Well, as I have said previously, I don't have much time, for any of the religions! That said, I have even less time, for those who preach hate, as it is the quickest way to the destruction of humanity! If we can not become inclusive of each other, then we will start to exclude the others, who do not agree with "our ideals" & therein is the start of the end! We need to start to actually talk with each other, to properly interact with each other and we need to both "give & take" , NOT TO SIMPLY TALK AT EACH OTHER!

very true perc very true....what gets me is.. why do they argue with people who are also FANATIC S in their behavior...not only that.. but those point the finger also do the same thing..

for instance...every Liberal is scum.. how often have we had that thrown at us.?..

it is the extreme that somehow get noticed....

as a lib I have had my share of attacks..both personal and political..but I also have one or two very nice lefties I get on very well with via PM....from this forum..they are reasonable people who are open to someone elses point of view....

if we all agreed wouldnt life be a bore..its how you interact thats the point...how you listen...and how you try to get your message across...

I mean why would a righty listen to a lefty who calls him scum all the time.?..all you want to do is hit back..I am not talking about those who get cranky once in a while...as we all do that...but the extremists... and yes they are on all sides...tend to take over and get all the attention....and before you know it the thread turns into and hit back thread...

we even have a thread telling people why they make him SICK... charming.. how to win friends..I dont think....

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:59pm: Dear Gandalf, could I convert you to a Christian? John 14: Quote: [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Therefore you can only have salvation through Jesus not Mohammad. No reply?

If Gandalf would convert he'd have more friends.  :)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:16am:

I really have to wonder [highlight]why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off.[/highlight] They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same.....they refuse to step out of their self imposed safety zone to meet the Muslim community (aquascoot excepted). They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush. They are typical right wing extremists, narrow minded and uninformed and nothing you say will change their rhetoric.

so the OP is only interacting..lol... ::)

and words are as bad as choppin g off a head and sticking it on a post.... ::) ::)

your thinking is amazing to say the least...

I wonder how those who are awaiting beheading feel about your take on extreme fanatical right wingers???.....

They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:42pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:59pm: Dear Gandalf, could I convert you to a Christian? John 14: Quote: [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Therefore you can only have salvation through Jesus not Mohammad. No reply? If Gandalf would convert he'd have more friends.  :)

convert to what bobby???...your idea of religion??>.or become a head lopper...just kidding...

why do I get the impression those who claim intolerance .. are just as intolerant?????

sometimes even worse than those they let upset them

cods wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:48am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:42pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:59pm: Dear Gandalf, could I convert you to a Christian? John 14: Quote: [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Therefore you can only have salvation through Jesus not Mohammad. No reply? If Gandalf would convert he'd have more friends.  :) convert to what bobby???...your idea of religion??>.or become a head lopper...just kidding... why do I get the impression those who claim intolerance .. are just as intolerant????? sometimes even worse than those they let upset them

He'd even have more friends if he became an atheist:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 2:01am:

Wow - that title just had to get me here...

...to make an inane comment that completely misses the point.

Tell me, do you think it makes islam critics "better" by prosecuting their anti islam case by concocting baseless smears and lies?

Swagman wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:13pm: cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:10pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. do you feel the same about those that HATE all Liberals???????.. Yes, I do. That's akin to racism.  :( Are you a racist as well?

Read it again.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:16am:

I really have to wonder why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off. They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same.....

pansi,

Your proposition [that all moslems DO NOT follow ISLAM, that all moslems are NOT ASSOCIATED with ISLAM] is an absurdity.




What makes you think that every moslem,          ......does NOT associate himself/herself with ISLAM ?

And does NOT associate himself/herself with what 'mainstream', religious ISLAM promotes.... ???

e.g.
"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260





Quote:

"They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same"

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."iThere is a popular absurdity, that inhabits our consciousnesses, and that is 'about in the world' today.

It is the proposition that 1+ billion moslems, are 'moderate' moslems - and that those 1+ billion 'moderate' moslems have no idea, and do not understand, what their 'faith' requires of them.....

"Hey!!!! I'm a moslem!!

But i have absolutely no idea what the laws and tenets of my faith declare, and what those laws and tenets require of me - being a moslem!

HONEST!!"



pansi,

My 'understanding' is THAT THE MOSLEM, EVERY MOSLEM, does associate himself with ISLAM.

And therefore, 'the moslem' does associate himself with what ISLAM is.   [i.e. a murderous death cult]

Am i mistaken ?







Quote:

they refuse to step out of their self imposed safety zone to meet the Muslim community (aquascoot excepted). They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush. They are typical right wing extremists, narrow minded and uninformed and nothing you say will change their rhetoric.

pansi,

Your assertion, just above, is not true.

Every moslem, is a moslem.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."


And a person who asserts that he/she, is a moslem, is associating himself/herself with what ISLAM is.

AND, is associating himself/herself with what ISLAM 'religiously' sanctions and what ISLAM 'religiously' requires, OF MOSLEMS....


e.g.
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

e.g.
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Sophia wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:04pm: Is that the same hate & or fear that Muslims feel for all those non Muslim infidels? The very same people that have allowed them to leave the shyte holes of oppression that they used to live in & move to countries which offer them freedom from this oppression..... Then yet once there they strive to remain victims of this oppression & seek to change their adoptive countries into the same shyte holes from which they fled. That is an interesting observation, and has a ring of truth. There is a history of people coming to Australia 'for a better life'....which means, assimilating, sharing craft, skills, recipes, fashions, yet still keep their own ideals and identity, but not to the extent that it will cause unrest. Any family that migrates, will have children attending school, and those children will adapt, and mix well, if the parents allow them to. The parents from the old country are set in their ways. The girls/women are way too suppressed, that is what upsets me. How many stories do we hear, of the father or brother that kills their daughter/sister (honour killing?) because she fell in love with an Australian boy? Or even wanted to wear nicer more colourful clothes or wear make up? I've watched the interviews and read books of those that escape these situations, they run for their lives, educate themselves, and try to help the other women in a culture that is so confining, and degrading, that they are not allowed to even have a good education....so if anything we want to talk about that makes one feel sick, this is a good starting point. I think it is a very important aspect to bring into this topic. When these women of islamic upbringing are asked where they think they would be if they didn't break away and educate themselves...most say they probably would have been dead.

Far out. I don't even know where to start. Have you ever been on a university campus? Even here on the Gold Coast in white bread land, the university has many scarfed women. I am hard pressed to think of a doctors surgery that is not almost completely staffed by Muslims (at least some of them women) in my immediate area.

More colourful clothes? You must be speaking about all those African-Australian muslims who are always just so beige.

You've read the books and watched the movies about oppressed Muslim women in the West? How many of the women who are killed every week in Australia because of domestic violence are Muslim? I doubt its even proportionate to their percentage of the population.

Your post is ridiculous and emblematic of how out of touch mainstream Australia is with reality. If you're going to be concerned about something, at least get it right.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. I tell the Niqabbis they should wear a Ninja mask instead of the niqab if they fear Aussies, nobody will bugger with a Ninja. :)

Do you? Do you really?

Do you say it when they're on their own or when their husbands are with them?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:16am:

I really have to wonder why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off. They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same.....they refuse to step out of their self imposed safety zone to meet the Muslim community (aquascoot excepted). They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush. They are typical right wing extremists, narrow minded and uninformed and nothing you say will change their rhetoric.

Quote:

......They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off...........

How offensive.


Quote:

.........they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists,...

  well, it is up to the 98% to stop the 2%.
So far you can't. I suggest we get rid of 100% and solve the issue.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:16am: I really have to wonder why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off. They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same.....they refuse to step out of their self imposed safety zone to meet the Muslim community (aquascoot excepted). They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush. They are typical right wing extremists, narrow minded and uninformed and nothing you say will change their rhetoric. Quote: ......They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off........... How offensive. [quote].........they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists,...

  well, it is up to the 98% to stop the 2%.
So far you can't. I suggest we get rid of 100% and solve the issue.

[/quote]

How do you want to get rid of them, Sprint? With a bullet? Gas chamber?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:16am:

Sophia wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 10:09pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:04pm: Is that the same hate & or fear that Muslims feel for all those non Muslim infidels? The very same people that have allowed them to leave the shyte holes of oppression that they used to live in & move to countries which offer them freedom from this oppression..... Then yet once there they strive to remain victims of this oppression & seek to change their adoptive countries into the same shyte holes from which they fled. That is an interesting observation, and has a ring of truth. There is a history of people coming to Australia 'for a better life'....which means, assimilating, sharing craft, skills, recipes, fashions, yet still keep their own ideals and identity, but not to the extent that it will cause unrest. Any family that migrates, will have children attending school, and those children will adapt, and mix well, if the parents allow them to. The parents from the old country are set in their ways. The girls/women are way too suppressed, that is what upsets me. How many stories do we hear, of the father or brother that kills their daughter/sister (honour killing?) because she fell in love with an Australian boy? Or even wanted to wear nicer more colourful clothes or wear make up? I've watched the interviews and read books of those that escape these situations, they run for their lives, educate themselves, and try to help the other women in a culture that is so confining, and degrading, that they are not allowed to even have a good education....so if anything we want to talk about that makes one feel sick, this is a good starting point. I think it is a very important aspect to bring into this topic. When these women of islamic upbringing are asked where they think they would be if they didn't break away and educate themselves...most say they probably would have been dead. Far out. I don't even know where to start. Have you ever been on a university campus? Even here on the Gold Coast in white bread land, the university has many scarfed women. I am hard pressed to think of a doctors surgery that is not almost completely staffed by Muslims (at least some of them women) in my immediate area. More colourful clothes? You must be speaking about all those African-Australian muslims who are always just so beige. You've read the books and watched the movies about oppressed Muslim women in the West? How many of the women who are killed every week in Australia because of domestic violence are Muslim? I doubt its even proportionate to their percentage of the population. Your post is ridiculous and emblematic of how out of touch mainstream Australia is with reality. If you're going to be concerned about something, at least get it right.

so the Taliban never  forbade females education>>

muslims do not  allow child marriages?.

or female circumcision.

we have got that all wrong....

and its good to know all those that come here abide by our laws...

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Dear Gandalf, could I convert you to a Christian? John 14: Quote: [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Therefore you can only have salvation through Jesus not Mohammad.

Reminds me of my childhood catechism days when we were made to memories questions and answers and repeat them rote like good little catholics. One of them went like this;
Question: How do we know Jesus Christ was God?
Answer:    Because he said so.   

cods wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:36am:

so the Taliban never  forbade females education>>

Goodness me, Cods. Do try to keep up, dear. We're talking about Muslims in Australia.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:16am:

You've read the books and watched the movies about oppressed Muslim women in the West? How many of the women who are killed every week in Australia because of domestic violence are Muslim? I doubt its even proportionate to their percentage of the population.

The muslims like to tar all aussies with the same brush when it comes to domestic violence, we are drunken wife beaters according to many imams despite the fact there are many who don't drink or bash their wives.

Wife beating is illegal under Australian law, there is nobody in my social circle who thinks it is acceptable to hit a woman under any circumstances.

Wife beating is legal under Islamic law,Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy allows wife beating if you fear disobedience
quran.com/4/34

Pakistan is 98% muslim-

Quote:

In 2011,human rights groups reported 720 honour killings in Pakistan.Some discrepancy exists between reports, for instance Pakistan's human rights commission reported that in 2010 there were 791 honour killings in the country. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing_in_Pakistan

I wonder if Boko Haram, Al shabab, the Taliban or the Islamic state keep statistics on honour killings.

Muslims are quite happy to tar all aussies as convicts who are wife beating drunks

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:04pm: Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy calls me a disbeliever,who does Allah call a hypocrite Gandalf? I can't speak for Allah, but Gandalf calls you a hypocrite Baron, for claiming the moral high ground, at the same time you invent lies about muslims. Do you feel just a little hypocritical Baron? Or are you willing to admit your contributions in the train assault thread consisted of outrageous slander and blatant lies?

Please cite where you think i have lied gandalf.

If you want to look at blatant lies check out Hilaly and Carnita Mathews.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:16am:

I really have to wonder why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off.

Of course the apologists like to demonise those who are critics of Islam yet they are quite happy to sink the boot into religions that do not chop heads off.

Quote:

" Why you people make me sick "

many blessings

you allow others to ' make ' you ' sick '

this is your freewill illusion you alone create ..so be it .

this confusion from one such as you are is forgiven

so be at peace

namaste

~ : ) =

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:18am:

Please cite where you think i have lied gandalf.

thats easy Baron - its in the OP.

You attempted to discredit the story by referring to a hijab that no one else had mentioned - not even any of the news articles. Or in other words, you made it up. Thats otherwise known as lying.

Every comment you have made on the incident searches for new ways to smear the victim: you can't push someone out of a moving train - therefore the story is fake; you can't grap a muslim woman's hair because of the hijab (ignoring that a large percentage of Australian muslim women don't wear the hijab) - therefore the story is fake; if she wasn't wearing a hijab, then it can't be called a islamophobic attack - therefore the story is fake.

I actually don't think you are capable of acknowledging *ANY* islamophobic hate crimes, you fit the perfect description of FD's spineless apologist.

cods wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:55am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:16am: I really have to wonder [highlight]why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off.[/highlight] They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same.....they refuse to step out of their self imposed safety zone to meet the Muslim community (aquascoot excepted). They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush. They are typical right wing extremists, narrow minded and uninformed and nothing you say will change their rhetoric. so the OP is only interacting..lol... ::) and words are as bad as choppin g off a head and sticking it on a post.... ::) ::) your thinking is amazing to say the least... I wonder how those who are awaiting beheading feel about your take on extreme fanatical right wingers???..... They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off.

They.  The only difference between the head choppers and the right wingers is that the right wingers are too scared to carry out their desires.  Both groups are mentally ill.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:36am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 11:18am: Please cite where you think i have lied gandalf. thats easy Baron - its in the OP. You attempted to discredit the story by referring to a hijab that no one else had mentioned - not even any of the news articles. Or in other words, you made it up. Thats otherwise known as lying. Every comment you have made on the incident searches for new ways to smear the victim: you can't push someone out of a moving train - therefore the story is fake; you can't grap a muslim woman's hair because of the hijab (ignoring that a large percentage of Australian muslim women don't wear the hijab) - therefore the story is fake; if she wasn't wearing a hijab, then it can't be called a islamophobic attack - therefore the story is fake. I actually don't think you are capable of acknowledging *ANY* islamophobic hate crimes, you fit the perfect description of FD's spineless apologist.

Serious question Gandalf please answer it-

How can you tell a woman is muslim if she does not wear a hijab or niqab?

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum.

That's not what happened.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:41am:

Serious question Gandalf please answer it- How can you tell a woman is muslim if she does not wear a hijab or niqab?

Serious answer:

here is your problem Baron - you give *NO* consideration at all to the possible circumstances. You have no idea what happened. Maybe she learned that she is muslim by any of the following:

- by talking to her (and getting into an argument)
- by listening to the woman revealing to another person that she was muslim
- she heard her talking on the phone and using "muslim" sounding talk like "asalamalaikum" or "alhumdulilah"
- her middle eastern appearance

As for the last point, if she was attacked because of her appearance (ie non-white), then that destroys your assumption about this not being a racial attack.

I'm not saying any of these were the facts of the case, but they are certainly possible. And its your inability to consider the range of possibilities that is the problem.

If you don't want to come across as a bigoted ignorant hick Baron, then do yourself a favour and stop blundering in to these conversations and make all kinds of prejudicial accusations with absolutely no facts to back you up. And thats even before you start manufacturing the facts yourself - such as the non-existent hijab. And don't think that you can justify your hijab lie by the irrelevant "well if no hijab, then no muslim" - even if it wasn't a logical fallacy, its still a lie, and there is no excuse for it. And finally see if you can understand the hypocrisy of using lies to attempt to expose lies.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:43am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:50pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum. That's not what happened.

Your husband must be very pleased to have somone who knows everyone’s mind better than he himself. A submissive, I gather.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 11:41am: Serious question Gandalf please answer it- How can you tell a woman is muslim if she does not wear a hijab or niqab? Serious answer: here is your problem Baron - you give *NO* consideration at all to the possible circumstances. You have no idea what happened. Maybe she learned that she is muslim by any of the following: - by talking to her (and getting into an argument) - by listening to the woman revealing to another person that she was muslim - she heard her talking on the phone and using "muslim" sounding talk like "asalamalaikum" or "alhumdulilah" - her middle eastern appearance As for the last point, if she was attacked because of her appearance (ie non-white), then that destroys your assumption about this not being a racial attack. I'm not saying any of these were the facts of the case, but they are certainly possible. And its your inability to consider the range of possibilities that is the problem. If you don't want to come across as a bigoted ignorant hick Baron, then do yourself a favour and stop blundering in to these conversations and make all kinds of prejudicial accusations with absolutely no facts to back you up. And thats even before you start manufacturing the facts yourself - such as the non-existent hijab. And don't think that you can justify your hijab lie by the irrelevant "well if no hijab, then no muslim" - even if it wasn't a logical fallacy, its still a lie, and there is no excuse for it. And finally see if you can understand the hypocrisy of using lies to attempt to expose lies.

I only go by what has been reported Gandalf, it appears it is ok to call BS on a soldier who is attacked yet if you call BS on a muslim claiming to be attacked it is an outrage.

-There was no report of her talking to anyone
-there was no report of her using a phone
-Not all muslims are of Middle eastern appearance, the Bosnian muslims are white like some aussies, the African muslims like women from Somalia look nothing like a Middle eastern person, the Indonesian muslims don't look middle eastern.

Now lets look at the mistakes in what was reported
-Muslims are not a race
-You cannot push someone from a moving train
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/25136220/woman-bashed-thrown-from-train-in-racist-attack

They say the incident was captured on CCTV, why have no pictures of the attacker been released?
Where are the 2 men who approached her to help, why have they not come forward?
Lots of camera phones around that have caught racist attacks resulting in convictions, why did nobody take pics of this alleged attack?

You have not answered  how you can tell a woman is a muslim if she is not wearing a hijab or niqab.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:14am:

[ I wonder if Boko Haram, Al shabab, the Taliban or the Islamic state keep statistics on honour killings. Muslims are quite happy to tar all aussies as convicts who are wife beating drunks

curious, whats your definition of an honour killing.

ian wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 11:14am: [ I wonder if Boko Haram, Al shabab, the Taliban or the Islamic state keep statistics on honour killings. Muslims are quite happy to tar all aussies as convicts who are wife beating drunks curious, whats your definition of an honour killing.

I don't have one i call it murder,calling it an honour killing is sugar coating murder

gone wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:18am:

The fewer muslims we have the better they adjust to our society. As their numbers increase they become more arrogant and they start to push their views, customs and laws onto us.  We don't need them here. We can drive taxis too and we won't starve without kebabs. There is no real value they bring here. No real value to us.

Well said.

Now that they have a foot-in-the-door it's only a matter of time before they become dual-occupants of Australia's nationhood ~ courtesy of a long conga-line of Canberra politicians who will never have to face a firing squad for their treachery.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:37pm:

gone wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:18am: The fewer muslims we have the better they adjust to our society. As their numbers increase they become more arrogant and they start to push their views, customs and laws onto us.  We don't need them here. We can drive taxis too and we won't starve without kebabs. There is no real value they bring here. No real value to us. Well said. Now that they have a foot-in-the-door it's only a matter of time before they become dual-occupants of Australia's nationhood ~ courtesy of a long conga-line of Canberra politicians who will never have to face a firing squad for their treachery.

That's if they follow the closet pom strategy.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:14pm:

-You cannot push someone from a moving train

Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide.

But, since then, I've decided not to.

The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE.

No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law.

But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending
on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long
before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning
notification) even worked.

The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it.

How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation?

Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine.

But DO use a factual basis for doing so.

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum.

yes, same with me.
I never knew/bothered much with them before.
But now since meeting them here and having a few serious talks with them privately I have found they are 'different' people.
Not to be trusted.
very deceptive.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:59pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:50pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum. yes, same with me. I never knew/bothered much with them before. But now since meeting them here and having a few serious talks with them privately I have found they are 'different' people. Not to be trusted. very deceptive.

Heavy breathing down the phone line does not mean serious talking in private.

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

when its ok for an 18 yr old to want to cut a coppers head off.. because he searched his bedroom.... but its against all the rules if the copper shot him in self defence...

Yeah... except there is no evidence he was planning on beheading anyone.

Victoria’s Police chief police Ken Lay said on 25th September, 2014


Quote:

What you just mentioned [beheading police] is absolute speculation. I’m not aware of any evidence that would suggest that that’s correct ... We do need to be really, really careful of making suggestions and often these quite outrageous suggestions which are, to my knowledge, not based on any fact.

We need to be careful when making claims like that, especially regarding an issue as divisive as this. Remember a man who reads nothing but newspapers is less intelligent then a man who reads nothing at all.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:59pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:50pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum. yes, same with me. I never knew/bothered much with them before. But now since meeting them here and having a few serious talks with them privately I have found they are 'different' people. Not to be trusted. very deceptive.

Well you needn't be too concerned with them, there are less then 500,000 of them in the country so in all likelihood you won't have much to do with them

I'd swap the muslims in Oz for Icelanders any day

I'd swap them for the Scots, even the nuts ones

I'd swap them for Irish

I'd swap them for Scandinavians -- true Scandinavians, not the shylocks running the joint

I'd swap them for Tasmanians !



But there would be no takers, unfortunately


After all, the Saudi 'royals' (IQ of under 100, their influence gained via their jewish forebears and black stuff that pops up between the goat turds) have admitted, reluctantly, to investing BILLIONS (well over a hundred billions of US dollars) on ---- The PROMOTION of the SPREAD of Islam in the WEST


Look it up.  Learn who funds the mosques popping up all over the globe.  It isn't gained by lamington drives, that's for sure

hundreds of BILLIONS of US dollars are what are responsible for the floods of muslims to the West


Now, who's naïve enough to believe Aussie politicians weren't are are not being provided a big share of those billions ?

Not me

Kat wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so.

So how did this woman open the door when she was fighting with someone,are we looking for an attacker with 3-4 arms...lol?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:14pm:

I only go by what has been reported Gandalf, it appears it is ok to call BS on a soldier who is attacked yet if you call BS on a muslim claiming to be attacked it is an outrage.

Hilarious. If you go by whats been reported, then a woman was attacked in an apparent hate crime. Thats whats been reported - nothing about a hijab that renders the story a fake.

You go to great lengths to obfuscate the elephant in the room Baron. Are you going to be man enough to admit that you fabricated part of the story in order to try and discredit it? What does that make you if not the same sort of deceitful person you are so obviously trying to paint this poor woman?

See if you can come up with an answer without the endless waffle of spineless apologetics for what is clearly a heinous crime.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm: I only go by what has been reported Gandalf, it appears it is ok to call BS on a soldier who is attacked yet if you call BS on a muslim claiming to be attacked it is an outrage. Hilarious. If you go by whats been reported, then a woman was attacked in an apparent hate crime. Thats whats been reported - nothing about a hijab that renders the story a fake. You go to great lengths to obfuscate the elephant in the room Baron. Are you going to be man enough to admit that you fabricated part of the story in order to try and discredit it? What does that make you if not the same sort of deceitful person you are so obviously trying to paint this poor woman? See if you can come up with an answer without the endless waffle of spineless apologetics for what is clearly a heinous crime.

What did i fabricate please cite it,Hilaly and Carnita mathews are on record for telling lies that CCTV exposed.

How do you know a woman is a muslim if she is not wearing a hijab or niqab which are mandatory in Islamic countries?

The news report said there was CCTV footage, why have no pictures been released?

There have been several convictions for racist attacks filmed on mobile phones, why did nobody film this alleged attack?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

What did i fabricate please cite it

I'm being very patient Baron.

Once more - its in the OP - you invented a hijab into the story that none of the reports mentioned. The exact quote is in the OP.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

How do you know a woman is a muslim if she is not wearing a hijab or niqab which are mandatory in Islamic countries? The news report said there was CCTV footage, why have no pictures been released? There have been several convictions for racist attacks filmed on mobile phones, why did nobody film this alleged attack?

Yes folks, I really am debating someone who comes up with these masterful debating points.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:29pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:16pm: What did i fabricate please cite it I'm being very patient Baron. Once more - its in the OP - you invented a hijab into the story that none of the reports mentioned. The exact quote is in the OP.

How did the alleged attacker know this woman was a muslim if she was not wearing hijab or niqab, what other signs are there to indicate to a stranger this woman was a muslim?

All this chatter about decapitation has caused Baronvonrort to lose his marbles.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. So how did this woman open the door when she was fighting with someone,are we looking for an attacker with 3-4 arms...lol?

Upon re-reading the original article (now with a video), I see that the writer contradicts herself.

Firstly she says: '...bashed and pushed from a moving train... '.

Then later she says: '...pushed the victim off the train as it pulled into Batman railway station...'.

Cop being interviewed on camera says: '..when the train came to a stop she was pushed...'.

So, it would appear that, while the train was in motion when the assault was taking place, the
pushing occurred once the train had come to a halt.

Great example of clear, concise, accurate journalism... not.

Anyway, I stand corrected. She did not open the door. The guard did.

Kat wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:11pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. So how did this woman open the door when she was fighting with someone,are we looking for an attacker with 3-4 arms...lol? Upon re-reading the original article (now with a video), I see that the writer contradicts herself. Firstly she says: '...bashed and pushed from a moving train... '. Then later she says: '...pushed the victim off the train as it pulled into Batman railway station...'. Cop being interviewed on camera says: '..when the train came to a stop she was pushed...'. So, it would appear that, while the train was in motion when the assault was taking place, the pushing occurred once the train had come to a halt. Great example of clear, concise, accurate journalism... not. Anyway, I stand corrected. She did not open the door. The guard did.

The left in the media are using this instance to "even it up" after all the Islamic bad publicity of late. We'll soon know the truth and when we do there's a fair chance we'll be ramming it up the buttholes of the resident leftards on here.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:00pm:

All this chatter about decapitation has caused Baronvonrort to lose his marbles.

A low blow, perhaps???

:D

Lobo wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:00pm: All this chatter about decapitation has caused Baronvonrort to lose his marbles. A low blow, perhaps??? :D

Would have to be below ground level to get low on Baronvonrort.

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:30am:

Quote: " Why you people make me sick " many blessings you allow others to ' make ' you ' sick ' this is your freewill illusion you alone create ..so be it . this confusion from one such as you are is forgiven so be at peace namaste ~ : ) =

Yes master Light,
the bearded one is very confused.

he is forgiven

namaste

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:52am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:59pm: Dear Gandalf, could I convert you to a Christian? John 14: Quote: [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Therefore you can only have salvation through Jesus not Mohammad. Reminds me of my childhood catechism days when we were made to memories questions and answers and repeat them rote like good little catholics. One of them went like this; Question: How do we know Jesus Christ was God? Answer:    Because he said so.

You doubting Thomas.

Gandalf would have more friends if he became an atheist:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

Sophia wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 9:04pm: Is that the same hate & or fear that Muslims feel for all those non Muslim infidels? The very same people that have allowed them to leave the shyte holes of oppression that they used to live in & move to countries which offer them freedom from this oppression..... Then yet once there they strive to remain victims of this oppression & seek to change their adoptive countries into the same shyte holes from which they fled. That is an interesting observation, and has a ring of truth. There is a history of people coming to Australia 'for a better life'....which means, assimilating, sharing craft, skills, recipes, fashions, yet still keep their own ideals and identity, but not to the extent that it will cause unrest. Any family that migrates, will have children attending school, and those children will adapt, and mix well, if the parents allow them to. The parents from the old country are set in their ways. The girls/women are way too suppressed, that is what upsets me. How many stories do we hear, of the father or brother that kills their daughter/sister (honour killing?) because she fell in love with an Australian boy? Or even wanted to wear nicer more colourful clothes or wear make up? I've watched the interviews and read books of those that escape these situations, they run for their lives, educate themselves, and try to help the other women in a culture that is so confining, and degrading, that they are not allowed to even have a good education....so if anything we want to talk about that makes one feel sick, this is a good starting point. I think it is a very important aspect to bring into this topic. When these women of islamic upbringing are asked where they think they would be if they didn't break away and educate themselves...most say they probably would have been dead.

With muslims the situation is often reversed. The parents come here to escape conflict. They are the "peace-loving" Muslims that Gandalf and Brian like to talk about. What they pass onto their children is Islam, and the children import the violence from wherever their parents come from. A surprising number of "home grown" terrorists in the west are children of left-leaning immigrants, and they take their immediate cause from whatever place their parents fled.


polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 7:52pm: Less than 12 hours ago: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:04am: freediver wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:22pm: All 800 of them deserved to die for being scheming Jews 800, 600, 900, 700 - we have a different figure every time. Each one of them had the opportunity to disown the decision of their leaders and pledge loyalty to the state, some did - we don't know exactly how many. Those who didn't are by default guilty. Tough titties - off with your heads  8-) Sorry for getting all moralistic on you. I'll try to be more flippant in future. Perhaps you didn't get my point FD - You may disagree with my point of view, but I don't make sh*t up to push my agenda. Do you agree now that the terrorist funding remark is completely baseless and a complete fabrication on you part?

I think it would be incredibly naive to suggest that, and it is a bit rich for a known apologist of ethnic cleansing to demand it from me. Muslims siphoning off millions of dollars of government funds that should have gone to their own children is a base for foul play.


Quote:

They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush.

And what are the rest? Moderate extremists? There are plenty of surveys showing that extreme views are quite common among Muslims. That's why ISIS is proving so popular. The only thing that gets more Australian Muslims flying overseas is the annual Xbox walk, and that is clearly demanded by the Koran.


Quote:

I mean why would a righty listen to a lefty who calls him scum all the time.?..all you want to do is hit back..I am not talking about those who get cranky once in a while...as we all do that...but the extremists... and yes they are on all sides...tend to take over and get all the attention....and before you know it the thread turns into and hit back thread...

And before you know it they are hacking each others heads off.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:43am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:50pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum. That's not what happened.

That is exactly what happened. Gandalf and Karnal have even started quoting me to hold my previous views against me.

Quote:

If you don't want to come across as a bigoted ignorant hick Baron, then do yourself a favour and stop blundering in to these conversations and make all kinds of prejudicial accusations with absolutely no facts to back you up. And thats even before you start manufacturing the facts yourself - such as the non-existent hijab. And don't think that you can justify your hijab lie by the irrelevant "well if no hijab, then no muslim" - even if it wasn't a logical fallacy, its still a lie, and there is no excuse for it. And finally see if you can understand the hypocrisy of using lies to attempt to expose lies.

Sounds like a question to me Gandalf. No need to start a new thread about how sick you feel in order to answer it.


Quote:

How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation?

Perhaps they start on the outside of the train.


Quote:

But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible

Are any of them possible by one person?


Quote:

Yeah... except there is no evidence he was planning on beheading anyone.

So what? He was only going to poke their eyes out and stab them a few times? A bit of stabby stabby is OK, so long as the corpse isn't 'mutilated'?

Dear Freediver,

why don't you follow the example of master Light

& just forgive Gandalf?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Dear Freediver, why don't you follow the example of master Light & just forgive Gandalf?

Perhaps it is the way of the universe to make Gandalf sick.... and we should all rejoice in his self-punishment....

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:59pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:50pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm: You've got to not let it get to you, Gandalf. Nothing you say will make the people on this board who hate and fear Islam and Muslims reconsider their hate and fear. Just keep in mind that they're not representative of the wider population and that this is a time of heightened sensitivity for anyone with an emotional stake in what's going on at the moment. Muslims changed my views about Islam, by sharing their opinions right here on this forum. yes, same with me. I never knew/bothered much with them before. But now since meeting them here and having a few serious talks with them privately I have found they are 'different' people. Not to be trusted. very deceptive.

sounds like a few oz pol  members .. not NICE PEOPLE AT ALL... >:(

|dev|null wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:40am:

cods wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:55am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:16am: I really have to wonder [highlight]why you interact with these people Gandalf. They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off.[/highlight] They are brainwashed into thinking all Muslims are the same.....they refuse to step out of their self imposed safety zone to meet the Muslim community (aquascoot excepted). They should be aware, they have been told often enough that it's less than 2% of the Muslim population that are fanatical extremists, but they still paint the other 98% of Muslims with the same brush. They are typical right wing extremists, narrow minded and uninformed and nothing you say will change their rhetoric. so the OP is only interacting..lol... ::) and words are as bad as choppin g off a head and sticking it on a post.... ::) ::) your thinking is amazing to say the least... I wonder how those who are awaiting beheading feel about your take on extreme fanatical right wingers???..... They are every bit as sick as the people that are lopping heads off. They.  The only difference between the head choppers and the right wingers is that the right wingers are too scared to carry out their desires.  Both groups are mentally ill.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

well you should know???? :D :D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 7:28pm: Dear Freediver, why don't you follow the example of master Light & just forgive Gandalf? Perhaps it is the way of the universe to make Gandalf sick.... and we should all rejoice in his self-punishment....

It's all part of the divine plan.

and so it is

namaste

Perhaps we need a strand on the Zen of OzPolitics.

The man who seeks sickness in all will find sickness indeed....

A man afraid to turn over the good side of humanity will be left with a one-sided view....

Gandalf:-  Why my sickness makes you people as I see you.

There is much grass under your feet, grasshopper, and it is only you who must walk the green mile to the acceptance of difference.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 10:20pm:

Gandalf:-  Why my sickness makes you people as I see you. There is much grass under your feet, grasshopper, and it is only you who must walk the green mile to the acceptance of difference.

A wise man walks with his head bowed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsicvoT6yo

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:13pm:

How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation?

Perhaps they start on the outside of the train. Quite often, but not always. Some of the older trains make it very easy, certainly the ones in Sydney, although these are in the process of being withdrawn and replaced. Fare-evaders are another group who do it.


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But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible

Are any of them possible by one person? Yes, but again it's much harder on a modern train, but relatively easy on many older ones. It's also much easier to catch them on a modern one because unauthorised opening of a door will warn the guard. He still has to get to you, though. And the railway security guys can't be everywhere either, unfortunately.

[/quote]

Oh, is this where the train doors and train surfing convo was?
Did I post the Flinders Street Station photos in the wrong thread?
Oh well, look at the other thread you put up El Gatto for the pics  :)

If everything is gods will, then us making you sick is gods will?????????

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 10:20pm:

Gandalf:-  Why my sickness makes you people as I see you. There is much grass under your feet, grasshopper, and it is only you who must walk the green mile to the acceptance of difference.

a red herring and a copout.

I am talking about blatant lies and fabrications as exemplified in the OP.

It can apply to anything. My gripe is about lies and fabrications - not people hating islam.

... but thanks - now you can add to this people making irrelevant red herrings.  :P

Who cares if we make you sick?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:51am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 10:20pm: Gandalf:-  Why my sickness makes you people as I see you. There is much grass under your feet, grasshopper, and it is only you who must walk the green mile to the acceptance of difference. a red herring and a copout. I am talking about blatant lies and fabrications as exemplified in the OP. It can apply to anything. My gripe is about lies and fabrications - not people hating islam. ... but thanks - now you can add to this people making irrelevant red herrings.  :P

There have been 5 islamic schools that have obtained millions of dollars by fraud.
The money has not been accounted for. Charities and other NGOs are used by jihadis to move funds around and such organisations ARE on muslim school boards.
It is not unreasonable to be sceptical about people who run muslim schools and school boards fraudulantly. 
The hijab on train issue is a storm in a tea cup.

Your feined outrage is silly.

Soren it was stated as fact.

At least even you belatedly acknowledged your whopper about the Swedish immigrant you say was shot by police for attempting to "honour kill" his family with the kitchen knife.

Obviously its too much to ask from FD or Baron.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Soren it was stated as fact. At least even you belatedly acknowledged your whopper about the Swedish immigrant you say was shot by police for attempting to "honour kill" his family with the kitchen knife. Obviously its too much to ask from FD or Baron.

It was hot breath or brain who first posted the story from 7, which called her muslim eventhough as i showed the ploce did not identify her ethnicity.
It started as an islamophobic new here.

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 7:10pm:

I think it would be incredibly naive to suggest that, and it is a bit rich for a known apologist of ethnic cleansing to demand it from me. An apologist for ethnic cleansing my offend you, and you can take that up in a different discussion. But it is neither equivalent too, nor does it justify blatantly making up porky pies to defame a group. [quote]Muslims siphoning off millions of dollars of government funds that should have gone to their own children is a base for foul play.

What limp wristed weasel words. If you had stated something like this in the post I quoted you would have fractionally more credibility. But you did not talk about "a base for foul play", you stated it as fact. A statement that had not a shred of basis in fact.

I'm just glad you are posting your obfuscations and weasel words here for everyone to see. Its a most fascinating display of pathetic cowardice - seeing you clearly worming your way out of your original contention of unquestioned fact - by using words like "a base for..." - but not being man enough to acknowledge the blatant lie you concocted.

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:50pm:

It was hot breath or brain who first posted the story from 7, which called her muslim eventhough as i showed the ploce did not identify her ethnicity. It started as an islamophobic new here.

The issue's got nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not it was a case of islamophobia. But carry on with your spineless apologetics.

I saw the title and expected to see a video of some muslim cutting some innocent journalists or aid workers head off.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 12:50pm: It was hot breath or brain who first posted the story from 7, which called her muslim eventhough as i showed the ploce did not identify her ethnicity. It started as an islamophobic new here. The issue's got nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not it was a case of islamophobia. But carry on with your spineless apologetics.

Wat is it about? Mathews, a niqabi, was founx to be liar, together with mahmood habib. Muslim school leaders ditto.
What are we talking about, otherr than your being miffed?

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:58pm:

Wat is it about?

About Baron inventing a non-existent hijab to smear the victim.

Imagine the outrage if they were hacking the heads of live cows or sheep!!!

:o :o >:( >:(

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Imagine the outrage if they were hacking the heads of live cows or sheep!!! :o :o >:( >:(

Imagine what the outrage would be like if they were AUSTRALIAN cows or sheep!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

You do a lot for Islam Gandalf, and our understanding of it in a more progressive Australian way.

Keep up the good work and don't cave into the 'haters' from both sides of the fence.

In the meanwhile - enjoys a light refreshing dash of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZj9bi7YNmI

OPEN UP Australia
and let the USA (Hollywood)
BURN.

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 11:51am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 10:20pm: Gandalf:-  Why my sickness makes you people as I see you. There is much grass under your feet, grasshopper, and it is only you who must walk the green mile to the acceptance of difference. a red herring and a copout. I am talking about blatant lies and fabrications as exemplified in the OP. It can apply to anything. My gripe is about lies and fabrications - not people hating islam. ... but thanks - now you can add to this people making irrelevant red herrings.  :P There have been 5 islamic schools that have obtained millions of dollars by fraud. The money has not been accounted for. Charities and other NGOs are used by jihadis to move funds around and such organisations ARE on muslim school boards. It is not unreasonable to be sceptical about people who run muslim schools and school boards fraudulantly.  The hijab on train issue is a storm in a tea cup. Your feined outrage is silly.

bump

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 12:58pm: Wat is it about? About Baron inventing a non-existent hijab to smear the victim.

So, if Baron 'invented' the hijab in this story, doesn't that mean that the story becomes 'nutjob attacks random woman on a train'????

|dev|null wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 1:27pm: Imagine the outrage if they were hacking the heads of live cows or sheep!!! :o :o >:( >:( Imagine what the outrage would be like if they were AUSTRALIAN cows or sheep!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Exactly, glad you agree that you retards are more concerned with live stock than people.

God is certainly great.

Very kind words and did not go unnoticed Jasin.

Thank you and peace be upon you.

attacktattack
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 12:58pm: Wat is it about? About Baron inventing a non-existent hijab to smear the victim.

The yahoo 7 news item posted on the thread you used in the op stars with ’a muslim woman...’.
Baron invented nothing, just looked at the link. Did you?

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 5:52pm:

attacktattack polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 1:18pm: Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 12:58pm: Wat is it about? About Baron inventing a non-existent hijab to smear the victim. The yahoo 7 news item posted on the thread you used in the op stars with ’a muslim woman...’. Baron invented nothing, just looked at the link. Did you?

Not all Muslim women wear the hijab, Enid.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:01pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 5:52pm: attacktattack polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 1:18pm: Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 12:58pm: Wat is it about? About Baron inventing a non-existent hijab to smear the victim. The yahoo 7 news item posted on the thread you used in the op stars with ’a muslim woman...’. Baron invented nothing, just looked at the link. Did you? Not all Muslim women wear the hijab, Enid.

Then how would the attacker have known she WAS Muslim???

Gandalf already answered that. It's further back in this thread - you should be able to find it.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 6:01pm: Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 5:52pm: attacktattack polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 1:18pm: Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 12:58pm: Wat is it about? About Baron inventing a non-existent hijab to smear the victim. The yahoo 7 news item posted on the thread you used in the op stars with ’a muslim woman...’. Baron invented nothing, just looked at the link. Did you? Not all Muslim women wear the hijab, Enid. Then how would the attacker have known she WAS Muslim???

Great post. Annie, where are you?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Very kind words and did not go unnoticed Jasin. Thank you and peace be upon you.

You want peace with all the people who make you sick?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Gandalf already answered that. It's further back in this thread - you should be able to find it.

No, actually he didn't. He gave several examples of ways that the victim might have indicated she was Muslim, none of which are mentioned in any of the news reports. The victim did NOT 'argue' with the attacker previously, the victim doesn't mention being on the phone.
Admittedly, the victim's ethnicity is not mentioned, so the attack may have been to do with skin colour, but that doesn't mean she was attacked for being Muslim.
A person from any number of different religions can have non-white skin.
The only way that anyone can be sure that this attack was based on her being Muslim is if the woman victim was actually dressed in a way that is commonly attributed to Muslims, which, according to Gandalf, she wasn't.


So, again, if the victim was not wearing religious grab, how could the attacker have chosen to attacked her solely because she was Muslim?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:01pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 5:52pm: attacktattack polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 1:18pm: Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 12:58pm: Wat is it about? About Baron inventing a non-existent hijab to smear the victim. The yahoo 7 news item posted on the thread you used in the op stars with ’a muslim woman...’. Baron invented nothing, just looked at the link. Did you? Not all Muslim women wear the hijab, Enid.

How do you tell a muslim woman on a train or the street from others unless she is dressed as a muslim?
The yahoo link said she was muslim. It is reasonable to guess from that some sort of sign of muslimness, ie dress.

Matthews and habib did make big, bogus play about her muslim dress and racism.

What’s the emotional incontinence about  by gandy? A bit silly.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:14am:

The muslims like to tar all aussies with the same brush when it comes to domestic violence, we are drunken wife beaters according to many imams despite the fact there are many who don't drink or bash their wives. Muslims are quite happy to tar all aussies as convicts who are wife beating drunks

Only the ones who mirror the fanatical nut job kind of hatred espoused by those who happily label all Muslims as such...

That's kind of how this silly game actually works you know...

It is amazing that many seem to miss the most obvious point Gandalf is trying to make.

I reckon he is well enough equipped to deal with a genuine discussion on matters Islamic, but, as would happen with anyone, if lies are introduced as an overlay to basic bigotry which is so self evident here, then I'm not surprised about his level of frustration.

Kat wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so.

This just proves you know SFA .... especially about this subject.

Never mind the fact that I drive trains for a living & have been a trainman for 32 years but there are no "train surfers" that climb out from forced carriage doors onto the roof because these trains are all powered from overhead electricity that's 25,000 volts.

Train surfers climb on the backs of trains or hang in the door openings when they stop at stations.

No woman would be strong enough to force a door whilst assaulting another woman to throw her through the door which will always be trying to close.

Once a door closure is breached a light comes on in the drivers cab & they stop & get the guard to investigate.

So you wouldn't know what you're talking about. ::)

Kat wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:11pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. So how did this woman open the door when she was fighting with someone,are we looking for an attacker with 3-4 arms...lol? Upon re-reading the original article (now with a video), I see that the writer contradicts herself. Firstly she says: '...bashed and pushed from a moving train... '. Then later she says: '...pushed the victim off the train as it pulled into Batman railway station...'. Cop being interviewed on camera says: '..when the train came to a stop she was pushed...'. So, it would appear that, while the train was in motion when the assault was taking place, the pushing occurred once the train had come to a halt. Great example of clear, concise, accurate journalism... not. Anyway, I stand corrected. She did not open the door. The guard did.

No he didn't ... the driver controls the doors & he cannot open them until the train has stopped.

If it could be proven that either the driver or guard opened/overrode the door opening whilst the train was moving then they would be sacked.

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 7:16pm:

It is amazing that many seem to miss the most obvious point Gandalf is trying to make. I reckon he is well enough equipped to deal with a genuine discussion on matters Islamic, but, as would happen with anyone, if lies are introduced as an overlay to basic bigotry which is so self evident here, then I'm not surprised about his level of frustration.

I see his point.
I totally disagree with islam.
I have discussed it with a few muzzies in the real world and get exactly tyhe same obsessive cult member response that has been shown here for years.

the effects of islam is evident in Islamic countries over the globe.

Judge the tree by the fruit it produces.

ian wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 11:14am: [ I wonder if Boko Haram, Al shabab, the Taliban or the Islamic state keep statistics on honour killings. Muslims are quite happy to tar all aussies as convicts who are wife beating drunks curious, whats your definition of an honour killing.

Here ya go Ian ...  does the definition need further clarification?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g158/gnads_2006/HonourKillings_zpsde2cea3c.jpg

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 7:16pm:

It is amazing that many seem to miss the most obvious point Gandalf is trying to make. I reckon he is well enough equipped to deal with a genuine discussion on matters Islamic, but, as would happen with anyone, if lies are introduced as an overlay to basic bigotry which is so self evident here, then I'm not surprised about his level of frustration.

Lets look at the facts Arsie-

3 women were attacked by this woman, the muslims and their apologists have showed no concern for the other 2 women they are only concerned with claiming this was an Islamophobic hate attack.

What lies,are you talking about Hilaly's lies in regards to vandalism he was caught doing on CCTV footage, why was Hilaly not charged with creating a public mischief?
Was it Carnita Mathews lies when she accused a cop of being racist then made a false statement to the Police then denied it was her who made the statement claiming another unidentified woman in a niqab did it?

Or are you talking about Gandalf's lies when he tried to smear me and deceive people by using a translation error by Muhsin Khan in this long thread before he realised my Arabic is better than his?
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384840429/124#124

3 women were victims of the same female attacker so why was the muslim woman the only one to make tabloid style headlines claiming this was an Islamophobic hate attack, did the other women claim it was a hinduphobic/buddhistaphobic/christianophobic/etc-phobic racist attack?

It appears this female attacker was either mentally ill or on methamphetamines to me.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Gandalf already answered that. It's further back in this thread - you should be able to find it.

Nope, can you post the answer gandalf gave?

Gnads wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:11pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:11pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. So how did this woman open the door when she was fighting with someone,are we looking for an attacker with 3-4 arms...lol? Upon re-reading the original article (now with a video), I see that the writer contradicts herself. Firstly she says: '...bashed and pushed from a moving train... '. Then later she says: '...pushed the victim off the train as it pulled into Batman railway station...'. Cop being interviewed on camera says: '..when the train came to a stop she was pushed...'. So, it would appear that, while the train was in motion when the assault was taking place, the pushing occurred once the train had come to a halt. Great example of clear, concise, accurate journalism... not. Anyway, I stand corrected. She did not open the door. The guard did. No he didn't ... the driver controls the doors & he cannot open them until the train has stopped. If it could be proven that either the driver or guard opened/overrode the door opening whilst the train was moving then they would be sacked.

Guard, driver, no difference. The door was opened lawfully, not forced.

And of course there would be disciplinary action if it was opened by any
employee while the train was in motion.

So, your point is?

Or didn't you actually have one?

Basically Datalife ...

Annie is full of it ............. ::)

Datalife wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 6:15pm: Gandalf already answered that. It's further back in this thread - you should be able to find it. Nope, can you post the answer gandalf gave?

Claiming it has already been answered is something Freediver mentions in his wiki on deception of non muslims.

:)

Kat wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 8:06pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:11pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:11pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. So how did this woman open the door when she was fighting with someone,are we looking for an attacker with 3-4 arms...lol? Upon re-reading the original article (now with a video), I see that the writer contradicts herself. Firstly she says: '...bashed and pushed from a moving train... '. Then later she says: '...pushed the victim off the train as it pulled into Batman railway station...'. Cop being interviewed on camera says: '..when the train came to a stop she was pushed...'. So, it would appear that, while the train was in motion when the assault was taking place, the pushing occurred once the train had come to a halt. Great example of clear, concise, accurate journalism... not. Anyway, I stand corrected. She did not open the door. The guard did. No he didn't ... the driver controls the doors & he cannot open them until the train has stopped. If it could be proven that either the driver or guard opened/overrode the door opening whilst the train was moving then they would be sacked. Guard, driver, no difference. The door was opened lawfully, not forced. And of course there would be disciplinary action if it was opened by any employee while the train was in motion. So, your point is? Or didn't you actually have one?

Obviously you can't read

no driver or guard would open the doors whilst the train is in motion

so you point /statement is moot

no trainman opens doors to allow someone to be throw out whilst the train is moving

you're a liar ... plain & simple

Gnads wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. This just proves you know SFA .... especially about this subject. Crap! Never mind the fact that I drive trains I don't. Couldn't give a smack, in fact. for a living & have been a trainman for 32 years  Thirty-seven. but there are no "train surfers" that climb out from forced carriage doors onto the roof because these trains are all powered from overhead electricity that's 25,000 volts. Missed the part about older trains did you, clown? And last time I looked DMUs don't use overhead. Train surfers climb on the backs of trains or hang in the door openings when they stop at stations. Seen them force doors myself, you are wrong. No woman would be strong enough to force a door whilst assaulting another woman to throw her through the door which will always be trying to close. I didn't say she was, clown. The original story did, and YOU did. Ever heard of an emergency release (NOT controlled by the driver - fact. Once a door closure is breached a light comes on in the drivers cab & they stop & get the guard to investigate. Only on modern rolling-stock.And the perp has  time to get away more often than not. Seen it happen. So you wouldn't know what you're talking about. ..::) Stop projecting

Not bad, clown. Those posts are both days old, and you've only just seen them?

Bullshit.

I'd wondered how long it would take, and who, but you've obviously  decided to
deliberately troll me, no doubt looking for a reaction and more ammo for the extended
attack that's been mounted against me over the last few days.

How bloody childish and deliberately provocative can you get?

Why don't you and the rest of the Anti-Kat Brigade spontaneously combust?

Gnads wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 8:17pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 8:06pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 6:11pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 4:11pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. So how did this woman open the door when she was fighting with someone,are we looking for an attacker with 3-4 arms...lol? Upon re-reading the original article (now with a video), I see that the writer contradicts herself. Firstly she says: '...bashed and pushed from a moving train... '. Then later she says: '...pushed the victim off the train as it pulled into Batman railway station...'. Cop being interviewed on camera says: '..when the train came to a stop she was pushed...'. So, it would appear that, while the train was in motion when the assault was taking place, the pushing occurred once the train had come to a halt. Great example of clear, concise, accurate journalism... not. Anyway, I stand corrected. She did not open the door. The guard did. No he didn't ... the driver controls the doors & he cannot open them until the train has stopped. If it could be proven that either the driver or guard opened/overrode the door opening whilst the train was moving then they would be sacked. Guard, driver, no difference. The door was opened lawfully, not forced. And of course there would be disciplinary action if it was opened by any employee while the train was in motion. So, your point is? Or didn't you actually have one? Obviously you can't read no driver or guard would open the doors whilst the train is in motion so you point /statement is moot no trainman opens doors to allow someone to be throw out whilst the train is moving you're a liar ... plain & simple

And you are a bugger, plain and very simple indeed.

And smacking wrong.

I had put the train photos I took on Monday in Melbourne (Flinders Street) in the wrong thread, so these are our trains for scrutiny of whether one thinks they are old trains with doors easily opened or not.

I don't think they are that old or that train surfers can open them that easily to climb out. There is a lot of video surveillance now, with cameras facing both ways in each carriage, and then at each and every station and platform, with signs saying so. Very obviously so.
This I observed as 'changes' made since I last travelled 10 years ago on a train. I noticed not as much graffiti or slashed seats either...used to be rife pre-surveillance days.

My belief is, we can't believe everything we read in the tabloids, they sensationalize to sell papers.

Anyway, pics in the link below, just scroll up, or down.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411983419/135#135

Quote:

Why you people make me sick

many blessings

one such as you are may yet heal

look within and be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Quote: Why you people make me sick many blessings one such as you are may yet heal look within and be at peace namaste - : ) =

Great words of wisdom from the master.

Kat wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 8:03pm: Kat wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 1:14pm:   -You cannot push someone from a moving train Seen this crop up a few times, and was going to let it slide. But, since then, I've decided not to. The plain fact of the matter is: THIS IS NOT TRUE. No, it isn't easy, and yes, it is against the law. But it CAN be done. And there are in fact, several ways in which it is possible, depending on the type of train/carriage. It would not be difficult to do and then melt away long before the guard/security could get there, even assuming the DOW (door open warning notification) even worked. The only significant risk would be that of being actually seen doing it. How do you think a train-surfer gets out of a carriage and onto the roof - teleportation? Want to call whoever wrote the story a liar (I don't believe they are, but...), that's fine. But DO use a factual basis for doing so. This just proves you know SFA .... especially about this subject. Crap! Never mind the fact that I drive trains I don't. Couldn't give a smack, in fact. for a living & have been a trainman for 32 years  Thirty-seven. but there are no "train surfers" that climb out from forced carriage doors onto the roof because these trains are all powered from overhead electricity that's 25,000 volts. Missed the part about older trains did you, clown? And last time I looked DMUs don't use overhead. Train surfers climb on the backs of trains or hang in the door openings when they stop at stations. Seen them force doors myself, you are wrong. No woman would be strong enough to force a door whilst assaulting another woman to throw her through the door which will always be trying to close. I didn't say she was, clown. The original story did, and YOU did. Ever heard of an emergency release (NOT controlled by the driver - fact. Once a door closure is breached a light comes on in the drivers cab & they stop & get the guard to investigate. Only on modern rolling-stock.And the perp has  time to get away more often than not. Seen it happen. So you wouldn't know what you're talking about. ..::) Stop projecting Not bad, clown. Those posts are both days old, and you've only just seen them? Yes I go to work for a living ...driving long distance trains ... away for 2 days fool Bullshit. I'd wondered how long it would take, and who, but you've obviously  decided to deliberately troll me, no doubt looking for a reaction and more ammo for the extended attack that's been mounted against me over the last few days. You're a bloody paranoid delusional .... why don't you stop deliberately talking shyte? How bloody childish and deliberately provocative can you get? Why don't you and the rest of the Anti-Kat Brigade spontaneously combust?

;D ;D You've lost it ... yet still have the tickets on yourself  ;D ;D

Sophia wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 10:02pm:

I had put the train photos I took on Monday in Melbourne (Flinders Street) in the wrong thread, so these are our trains for scrutiny of whether one thinks they are old trains with doors easily opened or not. I don't think they are that old or that train surfers can open them that easily to climb out. There is a lot of video surveillance now, with cameras facing both ways in each carriage, and then at each and every station and platform, with signs saying so. Very obviously so. This I observed as 'changes' made since I last travelled 10 years ago on a train. I noticed not as much graffiti or slashed seats either...used to be rife pre-surveillance days. My belief is, we can't believe everything we read in the tabloids, they sensationalize to sell papers. Anyway, pics in the link below, just scroll up, or down. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411983419/135#135

Yes Lols & those trains are electric ... driven from overhead live wires(25,000 volts) through pantographs which can be seen in one of those photos.

You can also see the sides near the doors which show no signs of any footholes or hand holds for anyone who could force the doors to climb out & on top of the wagons especially whilst it was in motion.

What Gatto can't even fathom that whether a train is electric overhead powered or diesel powered they all run underneath the overhead wires & anyone who climbed on top of any rail vehicle would be electrocuted. 25,000 volts will arc 2 ft.

Just another goose who knows F/all about rail.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:16pm: It is amazing that many seem to miss the most obvious point Gandalf is trying to make. I reckon he is well enough equipped to deal with a genuine discussion on matters Islamic, but, as would happen with anyone, if lies are introduced as an overlay to basic bigotry which is so self evident here, then I'm not surprised about his level of frustration. Lets look at the facts Arsie- 3 women were attacked by this woman, the muslims and their apologists have showed no concern for the other 2 women they are only concerned with claiming this was an Islamophobic hate attack. What lies,are you talking about Hilaly's lies in regards to vandalism he was caught doing on CCTV footage, why was Hilaly not charged with creating a public mischief? Was it Carnita Mathews lies when she accused a cop of being racist then made a false statement to the Police then denied it was her who made the statement claiming another unidentified woman in a niqab did it? Or are you talking about Gandalf's lies when he tried to smear me and deceive people by using a translation error by Muhsin Khan in this long thread before he realised my Arabic is better than his? www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384840429/124#124 3 women were victims of the same female attacker so why was the muslim woman the only one to make tabloid style headlines claiming this was an Islamophobic hate attack, did the other women claim it was a hinduphobic/buddhistaphobic/christianophobic/etc-phobic racist attack? It appears this female attacker was either mentally ill or on methamphetamines to me.

You made sh*t up Baron. I don't think many people are buying these weasel words anymore.

You posted the report saying that the initial claims of a racist attack & a woman being pushed off a moving train
were false.

Where's your argument?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 8:11am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 8:11pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:16pm: It is amazing that many seem to miss the most obvious point Gandalf is trying to make. I reckon he is well enough equipped to deal with a genuine discussion on matters Islamic, but, as would happen with anyone, if lies are introduced as an overlay to basic bigotry which is so self evident here, then I'm not surprised about his level of frustration. Lets look at the facts Arsie- 3 women were attacked by this woman, the muslims and their apologists have showed no concern for the other 2 women they are only concerned with claiming this was an Islamophobic hate attack. What lies,are you talking about Hilaly's lies in regards to vandalism he was caught doing on CCTV footage, why was Hilaly not charged with creating a public mischief? Was it Carnita Mathews lies when she accused a cop of being racist then made a false statement to the Police then denied it was her who made the statement claiming another unidentified woman in a niqab did it? Or are you talking about Gandalf's lies when he tried to smear me and deceive people by using a translation error by Muhsin Khan in this long thread before he realised my Arabic is better than his? www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384840429/124#124 3 women were victims of the same female attacker so why was the muslim woman the only one to make tabloid style headlines claiming this was an Islamophobic hate attack, did the other women claim it was a hinduphobic/buddhistaphobic/christianophobic/etc-phobic racist attack? It appears this female attacker was either mentally ill or on methamphetamines to me. You made sh*t up Baron. I don't think many people are buying these weasel words anymore.

What did i make up Gandalf, Carnita Mathews and Hilaly lied and were caught out by CCTV that is a fact, muslims have a credibility problem because they tell lies.

How can you pull hair if a hijab is covering it?

Please tell us how you can recognise a woman is a muslim if she is not wearing a hijab/niqab, i am sure we would all like you to inform us on this instead of dodging it and claiming you have answered it.

Do you have anything to say about the other 2 non muslim women who were attacked or do you still claim this was an Islamophobic hate attack?

Considering 2 other women were attacked by the same female do you think this should be classed as an attack on muslim women when non muslims were also targeted by this person?

Do you think the Islamophobia register should remove this from their facebook page or mention 2 other non muslim women were attacked by the same person, do you think it is right when muslims claim she was pushed from a moving train when the Police denied this happened?

https://www.facebook.com/islamophobiaregisteraustralia

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 10:28am:

What did i make up Gandalf

Are you just playing dumb? If not, I have serious concerns for you Baron.


Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

So why is there no mention of hijab being removed, how can you pull hair when hijab covers it? This sounds like another Carnita Mathews to me.

There was no mention of a hijab in the report. You invented the hijab in this story. Thats called making something up Baron.

Please Baron don't be shy, if you are still having difficulties with this, we can go through it word by word - like a 5 year old.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 10:45am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 10:28am: What did i make up Gandalf Are you just playing dumb? If not, I have serious concerns for you Baron. Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 1:38pm: So why is there no mention of hijab being removed, how can you pull hair when hijab covers it? This sounds like another Carnita Mathews to me. There was no mention of a hijab in the report. You invented the hijab in this story. Thats called making something up Baron. Please Baron don't be shy, if you are still having difficulties with this, we can go through it word by word - like a 5 year old.

Yes there was no mention of hijab in the tabloid style media report, you would have to remove it to pull hair if she was wearing one.

How can you identify a woman as a muslim if she is not wearing a hijab/niqab, stop avoiding this question?

"A few days ago I passed a newspaper stand and was horrified at the bright red screaming headlines. A government urging us to be fearful and suspicious so they can wage war.[/quote]

Straight away one knows this is a piece of childish exaggeration and fictionalising of the truth in order to give her a (false) predicate upon which to launch the rest of her tirade.

I hope she herself never becomes the target of Muslim men treating her like a slut because she's white, dressed in western fashion, and possibly wears make-up, and doesn't wear any head-gear.

What a Wake Up call she would have.i

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 11:01am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 10:45am: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 10:28am: What did i make up Gandalf Are you just playing dumb? If not, I have serious concerns for you Baron. Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 1:38pm: So why is there no mention of hijab being removed, how can you pull hair when hijab covers it? This sounds like another Carnita Mathews to me. There was no mention of a hijab in the report. You invented the hijab in this story. Thats called making something up Baron. Please Baron don't be shy, if you are still having difficulties with this, we can go through it word by word - like a 5 year old. Yes there was no mention of hijab in the tabloid style media report, you would have to remove it to pull hair if she was wearing one. How can you identify a woman as a muslim if she is not wearing a hijab/niqab, stop avoiding this question?

Answer the bloody question Gandalf ....

you're dodging it like the plague/ ebola  ;D

I apologise, I should have known that "answering the bloody question" actually means answering it multiple times.

Suggest you go back a few pages to where it was first asked. But I believe the point I made about it at the time is far more relevant - ie why are we debating about speculation on speculation? How about instead of Baron insisting that I answer his inventions with my own inventions, we both refrain from making sh*t up about the story? There is only one person bringing porky pies into the story, and thats kinda the only relevant point here.

But I understand - such comprehension difficulties can't come as a surprise for people who can't fathom how irrelevant such a question is to the topic in the first place.

Or maybe its me. Maybe you really can make sh*t up about a news story specifically to smear a victim of assault - and defend it by bringing up irrelevant rhetorical questions that have nothing to do with why you lied in the first place.


Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 11:01am:

Yes there was no mention of hijab in the tabloid style media report

For Baron, thats progress.

So you can’t tell if a woman is muslim unless she is dressed as one or you can hear her inshallahing. If she is just walking down the street or sitting on the train, it’s only her clothes.

But you can’t dress christian or atheist or agnostic - the default positions of western populations.
So dressing to show your religious beliefs is an alien import and people don’t like it because it bring religious sectarianism to the public space. It is ostentation.

I have read the idiotic (yep, idiotic) tooing and frowing of this debate for a few days now...

A couple of things stand out.

Firstly, I openly invite anyone to explain the logic behind "you cannot pull someone's hair through a hijab" (not that it was actually mentioned ANYWHERE in the article). A hijab is just material, so it seems more than a bit idiotic to suggest that a piece of material would prevent hair pulling... Seriously you would need to do better than that.

Secondly, since we are talking nothing other than speculation, here is something no one seems to have "speculated", with regard to identifying a Muslim female who isn't wearing a Hijab - I would speculate that this is where the "racist" attack bit comes in because, perhaps, the woman who was attacked was Middle Eastern... Obviously any rational person realises that not all Middle Easterners are in fact Muslim, however, plenty who allow dumb bloody minded ignorance to drive their decision making, hence, it is not an unreasonable speculation.

In short, I would not have a clue how to tell if a woman is a Muslim if she is not wearing a Hijab (in fact until fairly recent times a Hijab would not necessarily have informed me either).

The story says a "Racist" attack and also the story says it was perpetrated against a Muslim woman. So, it seems reasonable to speculate that the woman was not of Anglo origins possibly. Further, as has been pointed out, Muslim is not a race. As such I think it is remarkably easy to join dots that at the very least make some sense.

Gandalf do you have any evidence that we are making you sick, or are you stating that as fact without knowing for sure?


polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 7:10pm: I think it would be incredibly naive to suggest that, and it is a bit rich for a known apologist of ethnic cleansing to demand it from me. An apologist for ethnic cleansing my offend you, and you can take that up in a different discussion. But it is neither equivalent too, nor does it justify blatantly making up porky pies to defame a group.

If it makes me sick can we discuss it here, or is this thread only for what makes Gandalf sick?


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But it is neither equivalent too, nor does it justify blatantly making up porky pies to defame a group.

What group? People who defraud the government of millions of dollars that should have gone to educating their own children?


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What limp wristed weasel words. If you had stated something like this in the post I quoted you would have fractionally more credibility. But you did not talk about "a base for foul play", you stated it as fact. A statement that had not a shred of basis in fact.

We are discussing the facts of the case. That is the basis.


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I'm just glad you are posting your obfuscations and weasel words here for everyone to see. Its a most fascinating display of pathetic cowardice - seeing you clearly worming your way out of your original contention of unquestioned fact - by using words like "a base for..." - but not being man enough to acknowledge the blatant lie you concocted.

It would be incredibly naive to assume those Muslims stole those millions of dollars from their own children for a benign purpose.


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I saw the title and expected to see a video of some muslim cutting some innocent journalists or aid workers head off.

Gandalf is OK with that. After all Muhammed made a habit of it, and those treacherous Jews deserved it for being treacherous Jews, or for being related to treacherous Jews, or for not converting to Islam when given the opportunity. What makes him sick is people stating something "as fact" without being spoonfed those exact facts.


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Gandalf already answered that. It's further back in this thread - you should be able to find it.

You are stating that as fact Annie, without a shred of evidence to back it up. Careful, or you'll make Gandalf throw up. He's allergic to people not sufficiently qualifying everything they say.