In this post I am going to explain to you about spirituality, and what it means for humanity. This is only from my own viewpoint which I wish to share with you, and is not claiming to be the authoritarian on the subject. I have stated many times that I have my own personal spirituality which is not resonant with most of the organised religions/beliefs/practises.

This will probably be a long post separated into multiple as there is a word limit, so be patient. I wouldn’t blame you for not wanting to read because there is much ground to cover in this subject. I’m warning you beforehand that this will probably take up your time. If you do end up reading it, however, I am interested in a discussion and also what your personal beliefs are regardless of what you believe. Going on that, I appreciate debates but I ask one thing of you and that is not to bother posting if you are going to make a post born of ignorance, arrogance and bigotry. By all means, do so, but I’m not even going to acknowledge it. You will be ignored like the unpopular teen at the party.

I’ll also state that if you are going to bring science or “hard facts” into it, it is pointless, because this subject is something that cannot be proven with scientific evidence or facts at this present time. I’ll also rectify in advance that this post may seem or elude to having a bias against organised religion which may offend some people. I am not trying to offend and will try my best not to sound biased or offensive in regard to that.

The best place to start is the basics:
We are spiritual beings experiencing a physical existence. Many people are unaware of our spiritual aspects simply because this is a physical realm that we live in, which challenges us to recognise and become aware that we are, in fact, spiritual energy, or consciousness.

All conscious energy has one source, known as the creator, or in common spiritual lore, God. The Freemasons call this same being “the grand architect” which could also be known as God as well. We are all smaller aspects of that conscious energy, or spirit, and our intended path is to evolve to a point where we join our creator, or become one with it/him.

All physical aspects of our life, and our planet, are illusions. We experience it at a physical level because this is the current point we are at in our own evolution process. Some either evolve or devolve, depending on their awareness and the choices they make. Individuals can become “spiritually evolved” by themselves, but the process would be much quicker if the population as a whole were to evolve at the same instance. You’ll find that it is much harder to evolve by yourself, and the reason being is because of division, or that which resonates with the devil or “Satanic consciousness”. The Satanic consciousness, the devil or simply negative entity are currently in control of the world, working together behind the scenes and manipulating our consciousness, shaping us not only to have a negative spiritual alignment, but also to trap us within the physical prison.

Those who are in control are commonly referred to as the elite. Other terms include the anti-christ and the Illuminati. Spiritual alien buffs, who have had psychic connections with extra-terrestrials, go as far to say that the elite or the anti-christ are negatively aligned extra-terrestrials, who manipulate us and feed off of us by keeping us in this physical realm. Before you spin out at the sudden reference to the existence of extra-terrestrials, it isn’t so strange or uncanny that they could exist when myths and lore of old have made references to strange God like beings in “flying chariots”, coupled with the UFO lore of today but that is a different subject and I will not delve further into that. All I will say is that it would be ignorant, naïve, and also a little arrogant to brush off the idea that somewhere out there, there is another civilisation/race of a different species that exists, especially when planets are being discovered that could accommodate life as we know it.

There are many theories as to why the anti-christ consciousness wants to have control over us: some say money, others say world domination, the E.T crowd says it is to feed off of our spiritual energy (I will explain how this works soon), I would say all of the above, but there is more to it, the major point; so that the negative consciousness, or anti-christ, can imitate God, or the creator, itself, thus be satisfied as a self-proclaimed God but it will never be the true creator and does all it can to trick mere human beings to believe it is something it is not.
How does one go about feeding off spiritual energy? Well, first take note of emotions. You’ll find that our negative emotions, and some of those are the source of the seven deadly sins of Christianity, are quite powerful in nature. Negative emotions such as sadness and anger have the potential to drain people of their energy. The renowned chronic fatigue mental illness is a good example of this, and a scientific/physical explanation of the condition, but it goes much deeper than that. Basically, the emotion is so powerful it attracts higher spiritual beings of the negative alignment to suck in, or eat away at, leaving us void of energy.

Depression is also a great physical explanation of this. I would go on to say that even physically existing humans are capable of doing this, look at psychopaths and sociopaths; they get a high and a rise from gain at the pain and expense of others, whether that is taking a life or something as simple as bullying in the schoolyard or getting somebody fired from their job. Due to a lack of spiritual awareness, however, most psychopath/sociopaths are not aware that they are feeding off the energy, and relate that “high” as simply a winner-takes-all, prideful emotion.

Now when you relate this to the world as a whole, you’ll find that there is something seriously wrong with people, and society. Cultures, backgrounds and politics vary from country to country, but still not one country is better off than the other. Of course, you have poor countries on one side of the spectrum, and then you have a rich country like China on the other side of the spectrum, where the people are oppressed. It seems that materialism, economy and political structure does not seem to make a difference. Our own country, Australia, is considered one of the best in the world in terms of freedom and good living, but we are laced with many problems.

The current ISIS threat is an example. There are many smaller elephants in the room, however. Issues such as paedophiles having their identities protected all in the name of “freedom and civil rights”. People committing crimes under the influence of drugs and alcohol and getting leniency, in the name of “freedom and civil rights”.
It appears that freedom has its priorities wrong. True freedom does not equate to being allowed to violate somebody else and not have to repent or take responsibility for one’s actions. People should be free to do what they want, however, victims and families of victims should also be free, and are entitled to, a true sense of justice. It is not evil or wrong to eliminate a threat to a community of people who get along and wish to be peaceful, yet certain people in our political spectrum seem to think otherwise. The predator becomes the victim, does not have to take responsibility for their actions, and the victim suddenly becomes worthless, or even deemed a nutcase or a predator themselves!

This viewpoint is not a circumstance born of good-natured people wishing for peace, but an intended doctrine pushed by the Satanic consciousness, to covertly support violence, rape, terrorism and anything else that surrounds the great big dark energy ball that is negative consciousness. When we devote our conscious energy to a strict alignment to one of many things, be it a religious doctrine, a scientific doctrine, a political party or even a celebrity, we immediately instil within us ignorance/arrogance, which makes us unable to evolve beyond a point of realisation of what is actually real. One of these alignments is the symbolism of money, which is the most dangerous of all, and something that we all must have to survive. In the animal kingdom, and the days of old, we/they hunted for their food. An animal does not have the conscious awareness to realise that they are eating another life being (prey) because their physical survival is dependant on the predator/prey scenario.

On a different note, animals are quite capable of love and empathy. Pet owners would understand this. Money is also an intentional by-product of the Satanic consciousness, and the biggest form of control over everyone. Even those with good-willed spiritual intentions become swayed by money, they sell out and become frauds because of it, defeating their original intention and purpose by doing so (though some are psychopathic in nature and/or disinformation agents set out to undermine anybody who tries to raise awareness). Money, basically, is survival made easy.

For instance, we don’t have to go out and hunt for our food and drink, instead we can take up jobs and simply go to the supermarket where we buy products that aren’t necessarily beneficial for our physical or mental health. It is easy to understand that the elite can shape the world in whatever way they wish, as they have the money to do so. When you think about it, money is simply a symbol of power. The more money you have, the more chance there is of getting whatever you want.

The elite take great stock in symbolism. Money is a piece of paper, or a coin, and utterly worthless. Soon it will exist as simply a number on a computer screen, making it much more worthless.

Human physical existence is much like a fork in the road for our spiritual evolution, we are unique in a way that we have incarnated as dual-beings. On one side we have our animalistic, lower instincts, which is the state that we started with at the beginning of time. We have developed spiritual intelligence over time, becoming aware and open to possibilities beyond our dreams, which makes us dangerous to Satan. The whole lesson of our physical existence is to make a decision to stick to our animal, physical nature, or transcend this and become a higher being. On the subject of reincarnation, I believe that we continue to reincarnate into human bodies because we do not move past our place in evolution, so we go over and over until something changes.

This isn’t about pushing a doctrine and manipulating people to become spiritually aware, as there is a sudden newsflash: some people are quite happy with their animal natures, and probably couldn’t even bare the thought of becoming a bodiless entity of some sort. Positive spiritual advancement isn’t so much a space race to become high and mighty, but rather letting people know that they have a choice because this is something you are not told when you are born into this life. Your mind is shaped by all that is external and physical, and this is fed by the elite, or Satanic consciousness.

Satanic consciousness continues to push many agendas, and it is all to do with physical aspect. Two great examples are sex and violence, while sex isn’t actually a bad thing in itself, all it is, is an exchange of energy between two bodies that is capable of creating life. As I’ve stated elsewhere, it becomes a problem when you have the sexual deviant type who would, say, watch pornography and jerk/play with themselves all day, developing a strict obsession where all that matters in life is sex.

A person such as this would be incapable of learning most things, let alone spiritual matters. They would be dumbed down drone types to the extreme! That goes for anybody with obsessions/addictions, whether it’s in the form of drugs, sex, videogames and even food. I’ll stress again that it isn’t the objects themselves that are a problem, it is how they are used. The same goes for extremist ideologies; it isn’t the religious belief itself, but how it is being used by the individuals.

So how would one go about raising spiritual awareness?
The first step is moving past ignorant beliefs and ideologies, and recognising them for what they are: illusions, and often thought process passed down, and often built upon through years past, by other people. We are all one source, all come from the same place, both human and creator.

I’m not saying we should all stand in a circle and hold hands, I’m saying to look at the human race at the very core. While peace and love and all of that is a wonderful ideal, in this Satanically controlled world it is an impossible and improbable ideal and will only be achieved by pure force, and by their terms. Lives will be lost, our bodies will be turned into robots (research transhumanism) and soon we won’t even be capable of thinking for ourselves and learning, thus whether in a negative or positive light, disallows us from evolving spiritually. While multi-cultural acceptance and globalisation is also a lovely ideal, it is only lovely if each person has the responsibility and awareness to do so.

This current war with the middle-east, refugee situation, etc is not a circumstance born of goodwill and acceptance. It is a carefully thought out strategy to create more division and chaos by our governments. They may preach peace and acceptance but the end game is the complete opposite. You’ll find this same theme in almost every aspect of agendas passed down by the elite.

The elite knew very well that many individuals are incapable of globalisation and multi-cultural acceptance, since they were the ones who created this incapability in the first place. They knew that “hell” would break loose, which is exactly what is happening.

I don’t care if people are muslim, Christian, scientologist, black, while, yellow, fat, skinny, mentally challenged, etc. It has taken me many years to learn this, I was once a bigot as well. It is very easy to sink into bigotry and quite hard to cast aside arrogance, pride and ignorance. The point is, those tuned into their animalistic instincts are not capable of being accepting of diversity of any sense. In a world like this, it is best that people with like minds flock together in separate communities, away from those who with intentions of violence, bigotry and ignorance. Such a statement, if forwarded to governments and political parties, would be met with outrage and hysteria.

To finish this long and tiresome post off, I would like to state that I have come to these conclusions based on personal experience and some strange, logic-defying experiences coupled with reading and research into other viewpoints. I have read the E.T lore and I have also read the bible. I’ve even read the Satanic Bible and some of the inspirations of that. I don’t believe everything I read, but I know that not every single person in fringe/spiritual frauds are stupid, crazy, fraudulent or disinformation artists, which is what many believe.

Ok.

I need my +20 wall of text glasses, but, apart from that, great post/s so far.

I say so far, cause I have run out of morning time to finish the read off (please excuse my +20 wall of text glasses, it is a gamer reference  :) ).

Will get back to this sometime later (today hopefully) and finish it before thoughtful comment.

Cheers

Very well done Free.

I apologise for the novel-like post, if it were possible to make it short and sweet, I would have  :P
I'm interested in your views, and yours as well, Sprinty.  :)

Well written, well said and well done.

You are a deep well of being.

;)

Thank you, JaSin.

Maybe I should get it published and call it "the bible of Freedumb".  :D

Now there's a thought  ;)
I mean, you've even changed my perception of Spirituality, to some degree.  :)

Freedumb wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

Thank you, JaSin. Maybe I should get it published and call it "the bible of Freedumb".  :D

It may need to be a wee bit longer for many people to take it up then...

;D

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This current war with the middle-east, refugee situation, etc is not a circumstance born of goodwill and acceptance. It is a carefully thought out strategy to create more division and chaos by our governments. They may preach peace and acceptance but the end game is the complete opposite. You’ll find this same theme in almost every aspect of agendas passed down by the elite. The elite knew very well that many individuals are incapable of globalisation and multi-cultural acceptance, since they were the ones who created this incapability in the first place. They knew that “hell” would break loose, which is exactly what is happening

Agreed


Clearly, though, there's something wrong with us, or we wouldn't allow them to further their agenda

We've been on this planet for a long time.  But, we're still warlike, still easily manipulated

So, we have a long way to go.  Too far to go

We're stuck.  Going around in the same old circles

At this rate, billions of earth years would be required for us to break the cycles

Only solution for individuals is to refuse to return here

It's not unlike representations of 'hell', here

Spirits entombed in cages of flesh

Ghastly

Well, that was a good read and thank you for sharing your story about the path to your understanding of spirituality.

How to respond?

I am not so sure that I am eloquent enough to share my own path... I think you have some great insights.

Given we are all individuals though, I can only surmise that what has worked for you (the nuts and bolts stuff) might not match up with others life experience, i.e. any insight, direction, hint or suggestion that anyone makes about the "how to reach (enter your own term for Nirvana, Enlightenment, personal spiritual goal etc) may in fact be setting an almost impossible task.

In short, to my mind, I think the bottom line about "spirituality" in very simple terms is our (humanities) somewhat ham fisted (at times) attempts to answer some pretty age old questions - "who am I" "where did I come from", "where am I going" and "what does it all mean"?

I have a sneaking suspicion personally though that "meaning" is both irrelevant and totally up to the individual. To me it seems that life is pretty much for its own benefit.

Given the questions that I think are at the root of the "spiritual journey" I guess it may seem self evident why I have no faith or support for organised religion as such, I cannot reconcile the idea that an external body (The organisation of religion) can in anyway answer such personal questions, particularly when the genuine answers can be different for every single individual.

I think some people get lucky (as it were) and due to events in their lives find meaning at a very young age, however, that meaning for them came about circumstantially and may well be so outside of my sphere of experience that it is both an alien concept to me and quite reasonably confronting or worse. Does that, or should that diminish the meaning for the other person though? This I think is a pit fall that often time Organised religion falls into.

I think this course we are all on boils down to getting to know ourselves first and foremost. Hard to do with the distractions of our modern and material oriented world. Of course, doing away with a lot of the material stuff we have come up with would quite clearly not be in our best interests, presently at least. I think though we have very definitely got our needs mixed up terribly with our wants/desires.

I guess, in closing, for me it also comes back to paying more attention about the way that "mother nature" (I wonder if Mother Nature and God are actually one in the same at times). It seems to me that our species above all others have actively moved away from the built in natural systems that sustained us and all other species for a millennia. IT also seems that the further away we have been moving, the less clever our antics have become.

I have also previously mentioned that I genuinely think that our species, as clever as we no doubt are, are only coming into our adolescents as a species and that this plays as much a part on our perception of spirituality as any other factor impacting on our development.

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Some are lazier than others.  If they see others with 'stuff' they want, they'll do what they can to take that stuff.  So we have wars, whether they be between neighbours, villages, cities, city states, nations

Some are born with faulty wiring, to put it simply.  They were not born inherently moral, decent, honest or fair.  So they'll kill, rape, rob, lie, steal, whatever

As to those humans orchestrating from the top to manufacture wars for profit -- they have profit in their sights, first of all.  Secondly, we have to be kept under conditions of threat and anxiety.  If not -- if we were able to get along with each other in the main -- we might turn our sights on corrupt and greedy corporations, governments, groups and individuals.  So we have to be kept satiated via bread and circuses and endless threats of plague, famine, wars, etc.

However, if it were a level playing field and if everyone had the same levels of morality, intelligence and so forth, there would be no friction, because none of us would steal, lie, kill, etc.

Imagine living in a street where everyone was considerate of everyone else. Then expand that across the globe.  Imagine -- there would be no road-rage, no corruption, no anger, no wars.  Then, we could get on with expanding individual and group consciousness.  Imagine mass consciousness at high level worldwide.  There'd be nothing we could not achieve.  Consumerism would shrink to nothing.  Production of basics would be high and so would spirituality.  Because once we break free of materialism and all that entails, attention on the physical would be sufficient merely for base survival.  We'd be focused on Inner Space.  And Mind is all

But that's a distant dream, if ever.  Because rampant and irresponsible human reproduction continues to churn out an endless supply of sub-optimum humans which continually pull us back to zero

and maybe that's the plan by whomever or whatever is responsible for our alleged existence in the first place -- a festering zoo to entertain?  Or perhaps an abandoned experiment

PZ547 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 3:10pm:

. Some are lazier than others.  If they see others with 'stuff' they want, they'll do what they can to take that stuff.  So we have wars, whether they be between neighbours, villages, cities, city states, nations Some are born with faulty wiring, to put it simply.  They were not born inherently moral, decent, honest or fair.  So they'll kill, rape, rob, lie, steal, whatever As to those humans orchestrating from the top to manufacture wars for profit -- they have profit in their sights, first of all.  Secondly, we have to be kept under conditions of threat and anxiety.  If not -- if we were able to get along with each other in the main -- we might turn our sights on corrupt and greedy corporations, governments, groups and individuals.  So we have to be kept satiated via bread and circuses and endless threats of plague, famine, wars, etc. However, if it were a level playing field and if everyone had the same levels of morality, intelligence and so forth, there would be no friction, because none of us would steal, lie, kill, etc. Imagine living in a street where everyone was considerate of everyone else. Then expand that across the globe.  Imagine -- there would be no road-rage, no corruption, no anger, no wars.  Then, we could get on with expanding individual and group consciousness.  Imagine mass consciousness at high level worldwide.  There'd be nothing we could not achieve.  Consumerism would shrink to nothing.  Production of basics would be high and so would spirituality.  Because once we break free of materialism and all that entails, attention on the physical would be sufficient merely for base survival.  We'd be focused on Inner Space.  And Mind is all But that's a distant dream, if ever.  Because rampant and irresponsible human reproduction continues to churn out an endless supply of sub-optimum humans which continually pull us back to zero and maybe that's the plan by whomever or whatever is responsible for our alleged existence in the first place -- a festering zoo to entertain?  Or perhaps an abandoned experiment

It's the problem-reaction-solution thing again.

Problem: Overpopulation (not necessarily created by them, but manipulated people into doing so by marketing sex in our media as well as pornography, etc, coupled with marketing of alcohol and speed, two drugs that can make you "randy" thus often resulting in unwanted children who, as a result of their surroundings, become chaotic little sh*ts  ;) )
Reaction: Too many people on the Earth, not enough money, food, water and other supplies to support the entire population. (Though in reality there actually is, but greedy capitalist elite pigs don't care enough, they'd rather pretend to care by funding BS foundations that don't actually make a difference, wearing it like a fashion) Global warming and other green-type agendas come into play, as too many humans are blamed for wreaking the earth. Of course, the elite are perfect and had no hand in this, no, of course not. I actually have a thread in the fringe section about the Georgia Guidestones, which reads out like an elite doctrine.
Solution: Sterilisation. Population will drop through our genetics, in the future many people will not be able to have children. The depopulation agenda seems like a farce at the moment, but all of the food, vaccines, anti-depressant pills etc that we are consuming won't necessarily stop us from having kids, but my prediction is that they will do something to the next generation's bodies to stop them from breeding, passed on through genetics.

I've looked into a spiritual type school of thought named Gnosticism, which the mighty Roman Catholics failed to destroy completely, luckily for me. It goes on to say that the world, or our planet and its existence, called the "demiurge" is corrupted and twisted. If this concept is true then that means this planet will never be peaceful or beautiful.

The myth of Atlantis states that civilisations rise and fall and are long forgotten, only to be built up again over thousands of years, before being destroyed once again. I once spoke to a Jehovah's Witness who once said that they are taught something very similar to this -- only this time a bible or religious doctrine is released for that time period each time. Of course, he broke the rules. He isn't supposed to talk about his faith in that manner to outsiders, but he was trying to convert me.

I think humanity is incapable of evolving to a higher, more beautiful state of consciousness. When hatred is around you constantly, in everything there is in our society, it is much harder to retain a peaceful and good-willed attitude. It's possible through patience and self-control, but it is damn hard all the same. Look at some of the people in this forum, for instance -- constantly bickering over the left-wing/right-wing argument, and they go on, and on, and on and it never ends. Many don't understand the nature of democratic political structure, that it is just a front or farce to trick people into thinking they are free.

No, we are not free. No, we don't have a say in *ANY* political decisions. As we lead our own individualised lives to ruin, it bounces across the larger spectrum as those in control, our political leaders, lead us into ruin. Nobody would need to fear getting beheaded by a terrorist in a busy city street if our politicians grew the f*ck up and did what was truly right.

We don't know what we are, how or why we were created, where we are, where we came from or where we're going

More than a few problems to ponder.  Funny thing is, no answers.  Never

Millions of us have seen 'something' which looks identical in most respects to someone who's dead.  They're usually no smarter dead than they were when alive.  That's disturbing

We have vestigial organs which appear to have been inherited from animals.  Some claim we're descended from animals.  Someone regarded as 'learned' recently theorised that we're descended from unions between pigs and apes.  Bit of imagination and it's feasible.  After all, even the ancient Greeks were aware that mankind and swine are prone to the same illnesses and swine parts are used today in humans

So we look at it again:  creatures known as 'humans' who may be descended from swine and apes, yet which are able to appear after they're dead

Then we have precognition.  It's fact.  So the future is written.  Yet we live it as if we determine our own fate

We can put humans on the moon and send robots to Mars, it's said.  We can split the atom, transfer human faces from one person to another, make children from three parents, see the future, see the dead -- yet we know next to nothing about what the hell we actually are or where we are or where we came from or where we're going.  And we divide into different groups, each of which claims belief in whatever's supposed to be responsible for all of it

We don't remember signing on for it
We're not allowed to leave of our own accord or engage anyone to assist us to leave.  So we have to jump under buses or off cliffs etc. just to get out, causing considerable inconvenience and disruption to others

Sounds like some kind of prison, doesn't it?  Sounds as if we were press-ganged into existence

Gets worse if you accept John Lear's claims of there being a 'soul harvest tower' on the moon, which strips us of our mind's contents after we die, before spitting us right back here

Maybe the theories about the Wheel and devoting our lives and minds to escaping it at death are worth thinking about?

PZ547 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 10:00pm:

We don't know what we are, how or why we were created, where we are, where we came from or where we're going More than a few problems to ponder.  Funny thing is, no answers.  Never Millions of us have seen 'something' which looks identical in most respects to someone who's dead.  They're usually no smarter dead than they were when alive.  That's disturbing We have vestigial organs which appear to have been inherited from animals.  Some claim we're descended from animals.  Someone regarded as 'learned' recently theorised that we're descended from unions between pigs and apes.  Bit of imagination and it's feasible.  After all, even the ancient Greeks were aware that mankind and swine are prone to the same illnesses and swine parts are used today in humans So we look at it again:  creatures known as 'humans' who may be descended from swine and apes, yet which are able to appear after they're dead Then we have precognition.  It's fact.  So the future is written.  Yet we live it as if we determine our own fate We can put humans on the moon and send robots to Mars, it's said.  We can split the atom, transfer human faces from one person to another, make children from three parents, see the future, see the dead -- yet we know next to nothing about what the hell we actually are or where we are or where we came from or where we're going.  And we divide into different groups, each of which claims belief in whatever's supposed to be responsible for all of it We don't remember signing on for it We're not allowed to leave of our own accord or engage anyone to assist us to leave.  So we have to jump under buses or off cliffs etc. just to get out, causing considerable inconvenience and disruption to others Sounds like some kind of prison, doesn't it?  Sounds as if we were press-ganged into existence Gets worse if you accept John Lear's claims of there being a 'soul harvest tower' on the moon, which strips us of our mind's contents after we die, before spitting us right back here Maybe the theories about the Wheel and devoting our lives and minds to escaping it at death are worth thinking about?

Definitely.

That moon harvest tower is a freaky concept, but if you relate it to reincarnating over and over until you change something within you, it kind of makes sense.

The moon itself is a strange mystery. When it's a "full moon" people are chemically altered to act like rabid animals, and then you have females on their menstrual cycle, who also turn into rabid animals.

This is the inspiration behind the werewolf myth. An interesting moon theory is that this natural satellite is actually an alien space ship, and one of the reasons behind this is because its made up of metals consistent with many of our modern weapons and aircraft.

Regardless of speculation, there's definitely something strange about the Moon. Ancient cults considered or related to the devil worshipped the moon... others, aligning with light, worshipped the sun around the same time period.

On creation of humans, its almost like somebody chucked all the animals together in a pot, mixed the DNA up and we were the result, though there's something else unknown in this mix.

We are animals yet we are so unlike our animal relatives.

I've always seen 'two' types of Spirituality and you kinda confirmed one of them FreeDumb.

There is the 'Spirited' spirituality of someone showing great 'spirit' in something that they do or wish to be, etc.

Then there is my more common interpretation of Spirituality via many people who call themselves 'thus' and seem to base this 'mostly' upon how they 'appear' to people - mostly via their 'Fashion': a 'physical' representation of who and what they are for others to see.
The 'Spiritual' Guide who leads the Corroboree or Shaman Dance, etc who always denotes himself with fancy attire compared to others to take the tribe into the 'spirit world' via a usual concoction of behaviour substances, etc.

Just being passive and speaking nicely without losing one's 'Cool'  8-) and sitting cross-legged is something I find hard to accept as being the 'be all' of what it means to be 'Spiritual'. There is more than just that and such behaviour is used to 'deceive' occasionally.

Anyway - to me (mostly), 'Spirituality' is something that is 'Fashioned' by a person's need for 'self' expression upon a very 'visual' appearance.

Jasin wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 10:37pm:

I've always seen 'two' types of Spirituality and you kinda confirmed one of them FreeDumb. There is the 'Spirited' spirituality of someone showing great 'spirit' in something that they do or wish to be, etc. Then there is my more common interpretation of Spirituality via many people who call themselves 'thus' and seem to base this 'mostly' upon how they 'appear' to people - mostly via their 'Fashion': a 'physical' representation of who and what they are for others to see. The 'Spiritual' Guide who leads the Corroboree or Shaman Dance, etc who always denotes himself with fancy attire compared to others to take the tribe into the 'spirit world' via a usual concoction of behaviour substances, etc. Just being passive and speaking nicely without losing one's 'Cool'  8-) and sitting cross-legged is something I find hard to accept as being the 'be all' of what it means to be 'Spiritual'. There is more than just that and such behaviour is used to 'deceive' occasionally. Anyway - to me (mostly), 'Spirituality' is something that is 'Fashioned' by a person's need for 'self' expression upon a very 'visual' appearance.

Exactly. The New Age guru who claims he is the all-knowing is most probably a fraud with an agenda, or is being lead along by said agenda. Think predator/prey  ;)

There's more to it, I don't know exactly what this is, but there have been whispers of "hidden knowledge" that we only get bits and pieces of. A jigsaw puzzle picture is not complete without all of the pieces.

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Definitely. That moon harvest tower is a freaky concept, but if you relate it to reincarnating over and over until you change something within you, it kind of makes sense. The moon itself is a strange mystery. When it's a "full moon" people are chemically altered to act like rabid animals, and then you have females on their menstrual cycle, who also turn into rabid animals. This is the inspiration behind the werewolf myth. An interesting moon theory is that this natural satellite is actually an alien space ship, and one of the reasons behind this is because its made up of metals consistent with many of our modern weapons and aircraft. Regardless of speculation, there's definitely something strange about the Moon. Ancient cults considered or related to the devil worshipped the moon... others, aligning with light, worshipped the sun around the same time period

Freedumb, I'm close to believing Light is a big part of the mystery

Certain light (for want of a better term) has an enormous impact upon most of us - has the power to render us tranquil and contemplative or -- can make us energised or depressed

Obviously, we were designed to be affected by Light, or we've adapted/evolved that way

Years ago, I had a book dedicated to the effects of light on humans.  Still have it somewhere in storage.  Various colours of light were said to determine whether or not mice produced male or female offspring, for example.  More recently I read that shining a certain light on the back of the knees has therapeutic effects in the case of certain health conditions

When deprived of light and other sensory input, the mind compensates by generating hallucinations, etc.  Many aspects of the paranormal tend to occur when light is low or absent

Although science is still claiming the Moon has no effects on humans, billions of humans disagree with confidence, as do police, doctors, nurses, psychiatric institutions, etc.  While humans agree the light of the Moon is merely reflected light, that's not all it is.  Who knows why?  But billions of humans, past and current, have been in no doubt the Moon nevertheless affects human behaviours and mood


When it comes to reincarnation, I'm conflicted.  Not so much about its validity, but rather the fact it could be imposed.  That it could be imposed really angers me.  I consider it to be abuse, a violation.  It certainly does away with all concepts of free-will, choice, if it's established someday that reincarnation is a fact

Some might regard reincarnation with delight.  And certainly it's a seductive concept for those addicted to the physical and material

Lear's theory of the soul-catching tower on the Moon was something I considered so outrageous and vile that I told him so and rejected it (he'd raised the matter in a forum).  He took it with good grace.  I still consider the concept too vile to accept.  Don't know what happens to those who resist, but it's what I'll try to do if possible and if it occurs

Spirituality, for me, resides within, is inherent within the individual and is his sense of connection with something, maybe many things, beyond himself

Spirituality, imo, has nothing to do with external appearances or the effect an individual may or may not have (or wish to have) upon others

Spirituality is a personal space, sense of connection with both the physical and non-physical worlds, imo

It's what it says:  the spirit of the individual who senses other spirits, be they dead, alive, human, non-human

I don't believe at all the assertion that ''Spirituality' is something that is 'Fashioned' by a person's need for 'self' expression upon a very 'visual' appearance'.  Don't agree with it at all and regard it as evidence of a superficial or non-existent sense of spirituality on the part of the claimant

PZ547 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 11:29pm:

Quote: Definitely. That moon harvest tower is a freaky concept, but if you relate it to reincarnating over and over until you change something within you, it kind of makes sense. The moon itself is a strange mystery. When it's a "full moon" people are chemically altered to act like rabid animals, and then you have females on their menstrual cycle, who also turn into rabid animals. This is the inspiration behind the werewolf myth. An interesting moon theory is that this natural satellite is actually an alien space ship, and one of the reasons behind this is because its made up of metals consistent with many of our modern weapons and aircraft. Regardless of speculation, there's definitely something strange about the Moon. Ancient cults considered or related to the devil worshipped the moon... others, aligning with light, worshipped the sun around the same time period Freedumb, I'm close to believing Light is a big part of the mystery Certain light (for want of a better term) has an enormous impact upon most of us - has the power to render us tranquil and contemplative or -- can make us energised or depressed Obviously, we were designed to be affected by Light, or we've adapted/evolved that way Years ago, I had a book dedicated to the effects of light on humans.  Still have it somewhere in storage.  Various colours of light were said to determine whether or not mice produced male or female offspring, for example.  More recently I read that shining a certain light on the back of the knees has therapeutic effects in the case of certain health conditions When deprived of light and other sensory input, the mind compensates by generating hallucinations, etc.  Many aspects of the paranormal tend to occur when light is low or absent Although science is still claiming the Moon has no effects on humans, billions of humans disagree with confidence, as do police, doctors, nurses, psychiatric institutions, etc.  While humans agree the light of the Moon is merely reflected light, that's not all it is.  Who knows why?  But billions of humans, past and current, have been in no doubt the Moon nevertheless affects human behaviours and mood When it comes to reincarnation, I'm conflicted.  Not so much about its validity, but rather the fact it could be imposed.  That it could be imposed really angers me.  I consider it to be abuse, a violation.  It certainly does away with all concepts of free-will, choice, if it's established someday that reincarnation is a fact Some might regard reincarnation with delight.  And certainly it's a seductive concept for those addicted to the physical and material Lear's theory of the soul-catching tower on the Moon was something I considered so outrageous and vile that I told him so and rejected it (he'd raised the matter in a forum).  He took it with good grace.  I still consider the concept too vile to accept.  Don't know what happens to those who resist, but it's what I'll try to do if possible and if it occurs

I think light plays a role as well... I mean look at the sun, for instance. It was worshipped because the ancients figured out without it, there would be no life. The sun gives us light -- we would not be able to see the physical world without the sun.

If the NWO's agenda of control is spiritual control at the very core, it makes sense that they have concocted some psychological or spiritual strategy to make us continue to reincarnate over and over. I was thinking the other day that if I had a choice in the matter, would I have really chosen this mad world?

I'm not sure if that thinking alone can prevent me from "coming back" after I die.