ONE of the most beautifully droll remarks from the age of terror was Bob Carr’s assessment of the unfortunate trajectory local lad David Hicks’ life took after he threw in his lot with the Taliban.

It came when Carr was foreign minister and facing an earnest grilling from sections of the press gallery about poor Hicks’ apparently illegal internment in Camp X-Ray and the five years he lost as a result. Carr was unmoved.

“If you do what David Hicks did you undertake certain risks,” Carr said.

“You put yourself in the line of fire-fighting a jihad against NATO forces, against Western forces, then your life becomes more complex.

“David Hicks did that and I think he accepts he has to live with the consequences.”

Life does indeed become more complex. Life became more complex for Numan Haider around dinner time on Wednesday. Life, in fact, came to an end.

It is probably inhumane to say that you are happy with such a result. I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills.

But despite the fact that Haider had just repeatedly stabbed one officer and had started stabbing another, there are some in the community who regard him as the victim of a savage overreaction.

They’re not isolated to the rattier fringes of Australia’s Muslim communities, either, but proliferate among the hand-wringing class which wonders whether the whole thing was somehow cooked up to demonise Islam and drum up support for the terror laws.

The other inane rhetorical question is whether this signals that the Victorian Police are returning to “the bad old days” of shooting troubled people dead with the slightest provocation.

Most people would argue that it represents nothing of the sort but is a wholly defensible display of lethal force, based as it was on the twin premises of self-defence and national defence.

Aside from questioning the use of force by the police, apologists for Numan Haider also argue that the fact that he was under surveillance drove him to the edge. It is an absurd suggestion. The reason he was under surveillance is that there was already evidence that he was at the edge. Indeed the way things panned out on Wednesday it looks like the authorities were acting on a very reliable basis that this bloke was a card-carrying nutjob who would try to do harm.

His friends aren’t buying it on Facebook.

They include his best mate Abu Peter Bin Ryan, who described Haider as “A sincere brother I was with every day and always there to help brothers. I don’t know how life will be now without you. Your grave will have a window to paradise.”

There were more. Ali Hunter called for others to follow his lead. “We need more brothers like him,” she wrote. “Everyone else is a coward”.

Karim Bux couched his death as if it were the result of some kind of Dandenong intifada. “You cancelled his passport, you have taken his land and when he didn’t give up you killed him”.

Jaffar Baj is either a poor typist or knows little about human anatomy, but he wrote: “My hearts (sic) sunk when I heard of his passing. The last time I saw him he was smiling in prayer with me. I will never forget his smile”.

The cops probably won’t forget his smile either as they made the near-fatal error of agreeing not to meet him in the police station but the car park, where he was waiting with a dagger and an ISIS flag.

Life gets more complex. In this case one ended. Of the three it was the right one.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

ONE of the most beautifully droll remarks from the age of terror was Bob Carr’s assessment of the unfortunate trajectory local lad David Hicks’ life took after he threw in his lot with the Taliban. It came when Carr was foreign minister and facing an earnest grilling from sections of the press gallery about poor Hicks’ apparently illegal internment in Camp X-Ray and the five years he lost as a result. Carr was unmoved. “If you do what David Hicks did you undertake certain risks,” Carr said. “You put yourself in the line of fire-fighting a jihad against NATO forces, against Western forces, then your life becomes more complex. “David Hicks did that and I think he accepts he has to live with the consequences.” Life does indeed become more complex. Life became more complex for Numan Haider around dinner time on Wednesday. Life, in fact, came to an end. It is probably inhumane to say that you are happy with such a result. I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills. But despite the fact that Haider had just repeatedly stabbed one officer and had started stabbing another, there are some in the community who regard him as the victim of a savage overreaction. They’re not isolated to the rattier fringes of Australia’s Muslim communities, either, but proliferate among the hand-wringing class which wonders whether the whole thing was somehow cooked up to demonise Islam and drum up support for the terror laws. The other inane rhetorical question is whether this signals that the Victorian Police are returning to “the bad old days” of shooting troubled people dead with the slightest provocation. Most people would argue that it represents nothing of the sort but is a wholly defensible display of lethal force, based as it was on the twin premises of self-defence and national defence. Aside from questioning the use of force by the police, apologists for Numan Haider also argue that the fact that he was under surveillance drove him to the edge. It is an absurd suggestion. The reason he was under surveillance is that there was already evidence that he was at the edge. Indeed the way things panned out on Wednesday it looks like the authorities were acting on a very reliable basis that this bloke was a card-carrying nutjob who would try to do harm. His friends aren’t buying it on Facebook. They include his best mate Abu Peter Bin Ryan, who described Haider as “A sincere brother I was with every day and always there to help brothers. I don’t know how life will be now without you. Your grave will have a window to paradise.” There were more. Ali Hunter called for others to follow his lead. “We need more brothers like him,” she wrote. “Everyone else is a coward”. Karim Bux couched his death as if it were the result of some kind of Dandenong intifada. “You cancelled his passport, you have taken his land and when he didn’t give up you killed him”. Jaffar Baj is either a poor typist or knows little about human anatomy, but he wrote: “My hearts (sic) sunk when I heard of his passing. The last time I saw him he was smiling in prayer with me. I will never forget his smile”. The cops probably won’t forget his smile either as they made the near-fatal error of agreeing not to meet him in the police station but the car park, where he was waiting with a dagger and an ISIS flag. Life gets more complex. In this case one ended. Of the three it was the right one.

Are the hairy cheque books driving young males to commit murder, and then still not get a root?

Well I most certainly have not been an apologist of any kind. That said, the quote below is the point whereby the OP lost me...

I made a post (yep one single post) about my thoughts on this on one of the other (funny how there are always more than one thread for each and every morsel of debate...) threads a day or so ago.

"I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills."

From the moment this meeting was set up, there was not going to be any "best" outcome, it is that simple.

Certainly I do not entertain the daft notion that the cops should have had their heads chopped off, for example. However, unlike the OP, I can also feel some regret/remorse, if not for the thug with the knife, then at least for his family (yep, even the lowest scum on the earth have people who love them, well sometimes at least...).

Perhaps the heading should be the Right outcome, it seems to be those right leaning (you know, the low wage conservatives) who are trying hand over fist to frame this as something of a "good" or "positive" or "right" outcome.

The right outcome would have involved no one being killed or injured. Sadly us human's are neither smart enough or, it seems, compassionate enough to recognise and advocate for that.

Like I said in my other post, the poor copper who pulled the trigger, I would argue would not agree it was the right outcome, and, despite his shot leading directly to his own life being saved, survivor guilt will no doubt haunt him for most (if not the rest) of his days. Is that honestly the "right" outcome?

Calling it such, no matter how "thoughtfully" the rest of the OP is couched, is, in effect, being the cheer squad for the bloke being killed. Honestly, that is a pretty base position to take.

It is not good that the two cops got stabbed, nor is it good that a young life was taken...

The difference between me and the average target for this type of thread though, I realise that the cop made the best possible choice left available to him at the time, under extreme pressure. It sure would have been nice if he could have "Hollywooded" it and either tasered the bloke down or shot him in the leg - but that is just for the movies in reality.

I am afraid the original author of the OP is in that category for me of not worth a rating...

And just look at the consequences of Howards invasions and mistreatment of POWs

You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy.....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::)

Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D

adelcrow wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D

Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism!

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism!

Penberthy is married to Labors Kate Ellis and judging by his pathetic rants on Adelaide radio in the last 12mths hes doing his best to get her thrown out of her seat at the next election.
He's a weak little man who thinks that his incoherent rants make him look important and Kate must be regretting the day she married the arsehole.

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

Well I most certainly have not been an apologist of any kind. That said, the quote below is the point whereby the OP lost me... I made a post (yep one single post) about my thoughts on this on one of the other (funny how there are always more than one thread for each and every morsel of debate...) threads a day or so ago. "I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills." From the moment this meeting was set up, there was not going to be any "best" outcome, it is that simple. Certainly I do not entertain the daft notion that the cops should have had their heads chopped off, for example. However, unlike the OP, I can also feel some regret/remorse, if not for the thug with the knife, then at least for his family (yep, even the lowest scum on the earth have people who love them, well sometimes at least...). Perhaps the heading should be the Right outcome, it seems to be those right leaning (you know, the low wage conservatives) who are trying hand over fist to frame this as something of a "good" or "positive" or "right" outcome. The right outcome would have involved no one being killed or injured. Sadly us human's are neither smart enough or, it seems, compassionate enough to recognise and advocate for that. Like I said in my other post, the poor copper who pulled the trigger, I would argue would not agree it was the right outcome, and, despite his shot leading directly to his own life being saved, survivor guilt will no doubt haunt him for most (if not the rest) of his days. Is that honestly the "right" outcome? Calling it such, no matter how "thoughtfully" the rest of the OP is couched, is, in effect, being the cheer squad for the bloke being killed. Honestly, that is a pretty base position to take. It is not good that the two cops got stabbed, nor is it good that a young life was taken... The difference between me and the average target for this type of thread though, I realise that the cop made the best possible choice left available to him at the time, under extreme pressure. It sure would have been nice if he could have "Hollywooded" it and either tasered the bloke down or shot him in the leg - but that is just for the movies in reality. I am afraid the original author of the OP is in that category for me of not worth a rating...

this kid went to the meeting with the intention to kill.  That is rather clear.  With that motive in mind, being shot during such an act is not to be overly criticised.  Just as Carr said, when you go on the path of terrorism then rules get a lot more complex and the price usually very high. He paid the ultimate price, but it was HE who went shopping.

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::)

Thanks. I did mean to and I am diligent at quoting links to other people's writing.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Well I most certainly have not been an apologist of any kind. That said, the quote below is the point whereby the OP lost me... I made a post (yep one single post) about my thoughts on this on one of the other (funny how there are always more than one thread for each and every morsel of debate...) threads a day or so ago. "I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills." From the moment this meeting was set up, there was not going to be any "best" outcome, it is that simple. Certainly I do not entertain the daft notion that the cops should have had their heads chopped off, for example. However, unlike the OP, I can also feel some regret/remorse, if not for the thug with the knife, then at least for his family (yep, even the lowest scum on the earth have people who love them, well sometimes at least...). Perhaps the heading should be the Right outcome, it seems to be those right leaning (you know, the low wage conservatives) who are trying hand over fist to frame this as something of a "good" or "positive" or "right" outcome. The right outcome would have involved no one being killed or injured. Sadly us human's are neither smart enough or, it seems, compassionate enough to recognise and advocate for that. Like I said in my other post, the poor copper who pulled the trigger, I would argue would not agree it was the right outcome, and, despite his shot leading directly to his own life being saved, survivor guilt will no doubt haunt him for most (if not the rest) of his days. Is that honestly the "right" outcome? Calling it such, no matter how "thoughtfully" the rest of the OP is couched, is, in effect, being the cheer squad for the bloke being killed. Honestly, that is a pretty base position to take. It is not good that the two cops got stabbed, nor is it good that a young life was taken... The difference between me and the average target for this type of thread though, I realise that the cop made the best possible choice left available to him at the time, under extreme pressure. It sure would have been nice if he could have "Hollywooded" it and either tasered the bloke down or shot him in the leg - but that is just for the movies in reality. I am afraid the original author of the OP is in that category for me of not worth a rating... this kid went to the meeting with the intention to kill.  That is rather clear.

What clarified it for you?

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism!

POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it. 

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.

The answer is that Penberthy is a lying blowhard.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:58pm: Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Well I most certainly have not been an apologist of any kind. That said, the quote below is the point whereby the OP lost me... I made a post (yep one single post) about my thoughts on this on one of the other (funny how there are always more than one thread for each and every morsel of debate...) threads a day or so ago. "I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills." From the moment this meeting was set up, there was not going to be any "best" outcome, it is that simple. Certainly I do not entertain the daft notion that the cops should have had their heads chopped off, for example. However, unlike the OP, I can also feel some regret/remorse, if not for the thug with the knife, then at least for his family (yep, even the lowest scum on the earth have people who love them, well sometimes at least...). Perhaps the heading should be the Right outcome, it seems to be those right leaning (you know, the low wage conservatives) who are trying hand over fist to frame this as something of a "good" or "positive" or "right" outcome. The right outcome would have involved no one being killed or injured. Sadly us human's are neither smart enough or, it seems, compassionate enough to recognise and advocate for that. Like I said in my other post, the poor copper who pulled the trigger, I would argue would not agree it was the right outcome, and, despite his shot leading directly to his own life being saved, survivor guilt will no doubt haunt him for most (if not the rest) of his days. Is that honestly the "right" outcome? Calling it such, no matter how "thoughtfully" the rest of the OP is couched, is, in effect, being the cheer squad for the bloke being killed. Honestly, that is a pretty base position to take. It is not good that the two cops got stabbed, nor is it good that a young life was taken... The difference between me and the average target for this type of thread though, I realise that the cop made the best possible choice left available to him at the time, under extreme pressure. It sure would have been nice if he could have "Hollywooded" it and either tasered the bloke down or shot him in the leg - but that is just for the movies in reality. I am afraid the original author of the OP is in that category for me of not worth a rating... this kid went to the meeting with the intention to kill.  That is rather clear.  What clarified it for you?

He tries to arrange a meeting with a whole lot of people around and ends up going to another place and his first action after one of them shook his hand was to draw a knife and begin attacking with intention to kill.

work it out.  Premeditated murder is a rather obvious intent, particularly when you START a conversation with a knife attack.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.

Please share.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

... attacking with intention to kill.

What made that clear to you?

No mention that deaths from acts of terrorism pale into insignificance when compared to women killed because of domestic violence.
Yep....as usual ....Abbott has conned the country.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share.

no.  if your own personal reading and memory doesn't extend past 3 hours then that isnt my problem.  But here is a clue... why did the cops invite him to a meeting in the first place???

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. no.

White flag accepted.

In future, don't tell lies.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ... attacking with intention to kill. What made that clear to you?

the kind of rather obvious interpretation of events.  you attack someone in the neck/throat with a knife after carrying an ISIL flag around and making terrorist-type threats in the recent past... the motivation behind the attack would need proof it WASNT a premeditated murder attempt.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ... attacking with intention to kill. What made that clear to you? after carrying an ISIL flag around and making terrorist-type threats in the recent past...

Source?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. no.  White flag accepted. In future, don't tell lies.

I see you don't have the intellectual integrity to quote  FULL reply.  How very leftie of you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ... attacking with intention to kill. What made that clear to you? after carrying an ISIL flag around and making terrorist-type threats in the recent past... Source?

look it up.  your inability to remember anything prior to your last wank is not my problem.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. no.  White flag accepted. In future, don't tell lies. I see you don't have the intellectual integrity to ...

Your white flag has been accepted.

Thank you.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ... attacking with intention to kill. What made that clear to you? after carrying an ISIL flag around and making terrorist-type threats in the recent past... Source? look it up.  your inability to remember anything prior to your last play is not my problem.

Second white flag accepted.

Thank you.

(where am I going to keep all these flags?)

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. no.  White flag accepted. In future, don't tell lies. I see you don't have the intellectual integrity to ... Your white flag has been accepted. Thank you.

and even then you don't quote an entire comment.  you really are not a very ethical person, are you.  Of course your suspicious child photos already made that clear.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Well I most certainly have not been an apologist of any kind. That said, the quote below is the point whereby the OP lost me... I made a post (yep one single post) about my thoughts on this on one of the other (funny how there are always more than one thread for each and every morsel of debate...) threads a day or so ago. "I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills." From the moment this meeting was set up, there was not going to be any "best" outcome, it is that simple. Certainly I do not entertain the daft notion that the cops should have had their heads chopped off, for example. However, unlike the OP, I can also feel some regret/remorse, if not for the thug with the knife, then at least for his family (yep, even the lowest scum on the earth have people who love them, well sometimes at least...). Perhaps the heading should be the Right outcome, it seems to be those right leaning (you know, the low wage conservatives) who are trying hand over fist to frame this as something of a "good" or "positive" or "right" outcome. The right outcome would have involved no one being killed or injured. Sadly us human's are neither smart enough or, it seems, compassionate enough to recognise and advocate for that. Like I said in my other post, the poor copper who pulled the trigger, I would argue would not agree it was the right outcome, and, despite his shot leading directly to his own life being saved, survivor guilt will no doubt haunt him for most (if not the rest) of his days. Is that honestly the "right" outcome? Calling it such, no matter how "thoughtfully" the rest of the OP is couched, is, in effect, being the cheer squad for the bloke being killed. Honestly, that is a pretty base position to take. It is not good that the two cops got stabbed, nor is it good that a young life was taken... The difference between me and the average target for this type of thread though, I realise that the cop made the best possible choice left available to him at the time, under extreme pressure. It sure would have been nice if he could have "Hollywooded" it and either tasered the bloke down or shot him in the leg - but that is just for the movies in reality. I am afraid the original author of the OP is in that category for me of not worth a rating... this kid went to the meeting with the intention to kill.  That is rather clear.  With that motive in mind, being shot during such an act is not to be overly criticised.  Just as Carr said, when you go on the path of terrorism then rules get a lot more complex and the price usually very high. He paid the ultimate price, but it was HE who went shopping.

Well it's a good thing that I did not criticise the "act" then isn't it!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. no.  White flag accepted. In future, don't tell lies. I see you don't have the intellectual integrity to ... Your white flag has been accepted. Thank you. and even then you don't quote an entire comment, because, let's face it - my comments aren't worth reading.  you really are a very ethical person, aren't you? Of course my suspicious child photos make me look pretty suss though.

True.

:-[

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:01pm: ... attacking with intention to kill. What made that clear to you? the kind of rather obvious interpretation of events.  you attack someone in the neck/throat with a knife after carrying an ISIL flag around and making terrorist-type threats in the recent past... the motivation behind the attack would need proof it WASNT a premeditated murder attempt.

It was that bit that made it somewhat clear in my mind

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:58pm: Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Well I most certainly have not been an apologist of any kind. That said, the quote below is the point whereby the OP lost me... I made a post (yep one single post) about my thoughts on this on one of the other (funny how there are always more than one thread for each and every morsel of debate...) threads a day or so ago. "I would be lying if I said I was upset by it. Under the circumstances it does seem like the best possible outcome, given the alternative outcome was two cops having their heads chopped off, just over the road from the Little Angels Childcare Centre in suburban Endeavour Hills." From the moment this meeting was set up, there was not going to be any "best" outcome, it is that simple. Certainly I do not entertain the daft notion that the cops should have had their heads chopped off, for example. However, unlike the OP, I can also feel some regret/remorse, if not for the thug with the knife, then at least for his family (yep, even the lowest scum on the earth have people who love them, well sometimes at least...). Perhaps the heading should be the Right outcome, it seems to be those right leaning (you know, the low wage conservatives) who are trying hand over fist to frame this as something of a "good" or "positive" or "right" outcome. The right outcome would have involved no one being killed or injured. Sadly us human's are neither smart enough or, it seems, compassionate enough to recognise and advocate for that. Like I said in my other post, the poor copper who pulled the trigger, I would argue would not agree it was the right outcome, and, despite his shot leading directly to his own life being saved, survivor guilt will no doubt haunt him for most (if not the rest) of his days. Is that honestly the "right" outcome? Calling it such, no matter how "thoughtfully" the rest of the OP is couched, is, in effect, being the cheer squad for the bloke being killed. Honestly, that is a pretty base position to take. It is not good that the two cops got stabbed, nor is it good that a young life was taken... The difference between me and the average target for this type of thread though, I realise that the cop made the best possible choice left available to him at the time, under extreme pressure. It sure would have been nice if he could have "Hollywooded" it and either tasered the bloke down or shot him in the leg - but that is just for the movies in reality. I am afraid the original author of the OP is in that category for me of not worth a rating... this kid went to the meeting with the intention to kill.  That is rather clear.  With that motive in mind, being shot during such an act is not to be overly criticised.  Just as Carr said, when you go on the path of terrorism then rules get a lot more complex and the price usually very high. He paid the ultimate price, but it was HE who went shopping. Well it's a good thing that I did not criticise the "act" then isn't it!

I think the point being made by the article is that when you engage in terrorist activity or even mindless violence, then the rules change.  You can complain about police over-reaction (and I have int he past) but when you try to kill cops and area killed in the act then my reaction is more one of relief. This crazy sod paid the price and perhaps a few other radicals will take a good look and see that the outcome can be - death.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1411705002/4#4 date=1411716353]You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. no.  White flag accepted. In future, don't tell lies. I see you don't have the intellectual integrity to ... Your white flag has been accepted. Thank you. and even then you don't quote an entire comment, because, let's face it - my comments aren't worth reading.  you really are a very ethical person, aren't you? Of course my suspicious child photos make me look pretty suss though.

True. Im a pedo.

:-[/quote]

had enough yet?  want to return to treating everyones quotes with the respect and honesty they deserve?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1411705002/4#4 date=1411716353]You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. no.  White flag accepted. In future, don't tell lies. I see you don't have the intellectual integrity to ... Your white flag has been accepted. Thank you. and even then you don't quote an entire comment, because, let's face it - my comments aren't worth reading.  you really are a very ethical person, aren't you? Of course my suspicious child photos make me look pretty suss though. True. :-[/quote] had enough yet?

Not by a long shot.

I'll have you curled up in the fetal position and begging for mercy by the time I'm done with you.

Bring it on, you sniveling little bitch.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. why did the cops invite him to a meeting in the first place???

I've got a few questions of my OWN

1/ Why was this interview arranged in such an unorthodox manner - clandestinely, in the police station car-park - and not follow standard procedure of being RECORDED in an interview room ?

2/ Why did police call in the bomb squad - after the subject was shot dead - to do a thorough search of the police station ?
... when it was quite clear he had been nowhere NEAR the building - inside or out ?

( ... other than on the request of the police media unit ?)

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Not by a long shot.I'll have you curled up in the fetal position and begging for mercy by the time I'm done with you.Bring it on, you sniveling little bitch.

 

A kick in the nuts is required Greg.

Sometimes you have to get tough with the tools!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

I think the point being made by the article is that when you engage in terrorist activity or even mindless violence, then the rules change.  You can complain about police over-reaction (and I have int he past) but when you try to kill cops and area killed in the act then my reaction is more one of relief. This crazy sod paid the price and perhaps a few other radicals will take a good look and see that the outcome can be - death.

Optimistic based on history. Humanity at large has demonstrably not been big on learning that lesson, to be fair.

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Not by a long shot.I'll have you curled up in the fetal position and begging for mercy by the time I'm done with you.Bring it on, you sniveling little bitch.   A kick in the nuts is required Greg.

Yes.

Good luck finding them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Not by a long shot.I'll have you curled up in the fetal position and begging for mercy by the time I'm done with you.Bring it on, you sniveling little bitch.   A kick in the nuts is required Greg. Yes. Good luck finding them.

Now settle down Greg, I wasnt being that nasty!

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. why did the cops invite him to a meeting in the first place??? I've got a few questions of my OWN 1/ Why was this interview arranged in such an unorthodox manner - clandestinely, in the police station car-park - and not follow standard procedure of being RECORDED in an interview room ? 2/ Why did police call in the bomb squad - after the subject was shot dead - to do a thorough search of the police station ? ... when it was quite clear he had been nowhere NEAR the building - inside or out ? ( ... other than on the request of the police media unit ?)

I think you will find that meeting outside of the Police station is not unusual for a talk. The modern vernacular is Community Policing.

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:46pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Not by a long shot.I'll have you curled up in the fetal position and begging for mercy by the time I'm done with you.Bring it on, you sniveling little bitch.   A kick in the nuts is required Greg. Yes. Good luck finding them. Now settle down Greg, I wasnt being that nasty!

I've had a wine: I'm settled now.

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buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. why did the cops invite him to a meeting in the first place??? I've got a few questions of my OWN 1/ Why was this interview arranged in such an unorthodox manner - clandestinely, in the police station car-park - and not follow standard procedure of being RECORDED in an interview room ? 2/ Why did police call in the bomb squad - after the subject was shot dead - to do a thorough search of the police station ? ... when it was quite clear he had been nowhere NEAR the building - inside or out ? ( ... other than on the request of the police media unit ?)

Is the police car park Public or Police only?

Police only, raises the question as to how he got there?

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. why did the cops invite him to a meeting in the first place??? I've got a few questions of my OWN 1/ Why was this interview arranged in such an unorthodox manner - clandestinely, in the police station car-park - and not follow standard procedure of being RECORDED in an interview room ? 2/ Why did police call in the bomb squad - after the subject was shot dead - to do a thorough search of the police station ? ... when it was quite clear he had been nowhere NEAR the building - inside or out ? ( ... other than on the request of the police media unit ?)

the important thing is to always distrust police, media, govt (unless labor) and any news outlet beyond a blog.

you are officially and idiot, buzzard.  You've never heard of police having an informal conversation with people before?

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:32pm: I think the point being made by the article is that when you engage in terrorist activity or even mindless violence, then the rules change.  You can complain about police over-reaction (and I have int he past) but when you try to kill cops and area killed in the act then my reaction is more one of relief. This crazy sod paid the price and perhaps a few other radicals will take a good look and see that the outcome can be - death. Optimistic based on history. Humanity at large has demonstrably not been big on learning that lesson, to be fair.

alas you are right.  But as we learned in WW2 with the Japanese, even the craziest of people and cultures have a breaking point.  it may need a nuke (not necessarily literally) but there are breaking points.

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:43pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. why did the cops invite him to a meeting in the first place??? I've got a few questions of my OWN 1/ Why was this interview arranged in such an unorthodox manner - clandestinely, in the police station car-park - and not follow standard procedure of being RECORDED in an interview room ? 2/ Why did police call in the bomb squad - after the subject was shot dead - to do a thorough search of the police station ? ... when it was quite clear he had been nowhere NEAR the building - inside or out ? ( ... other than on the request of the police media unit ?) I think you will find that meeting outside of the Police station is not unusual for a little "talk". The modern vernacular is "community policing"

I'm not BUYING it

- but as you seem to have experienced more of these type of unusual "interviews" than I have
- I'll let it PASS

... and the story behind the bomb squad show'n'tell is ?

>:( >:( >:(

Sort of has a Warren Lanfranchi feel to it.. we need more facts...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:06am:

Sort of has a Warren Lanfranchi feel to it.. we need more facts...

Except Smithy didn't get stabbed, unfortunately, it would have saved lives further on if the prick was killed.

what a stupid poll question....

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:49pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:43pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:59pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:35pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:25pm: You should paste a link to other peoples work Longy..... http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/david-penberthy-police-reaction-to-numan-haider-attack-was-a-defensible-display-of-lethal-force/story-fni6unxq-1227070647255?nk=5c806b7862f0637455393b67b499f2f6 ::) ::) ::) Crikey now Longy is ripping off Adelaides star dickhead Penberthy  ;D ;D Police make no mention of the culprit carrying any ISI Flag, yet Penberthy does. makes Penberthy a liar or ill qualified for journalism! POlice have made repeated mention of him carrying an ISIL plag around the suburbs and shopping centres as have people who saw it.  Please share. why did the cops invite him to a meeting in the first place??? I've got a few questions of my OWN 1/ Why was this interview arranged in such an unorthodox manner - clandestinely, in the police station car-park - and not follow standard procedure of being RECORDED in an interview room ? 2/ Why did police call in the bomb squad - after the subject was shot dead - to do a thorough search of the police station ? ... when it was quite clear he had been nowhere NEAR the building - inside or out ? ( ... other than on the request of the police media unit ?) I think you will find that meeting outside of the Police station is not unusual for a little "talk". The modern vernacular is "community policing" I'm not BUYING it - but as you seem to have experienced more of these type of unusual "interviews" than I have - I'll let it PASS ... and the story behind the bomb squad show'n'tell is ?

Not sure if (or what for that matter) you are implying by the statement about my level of experience with "informal" interviews. However, it would seem that I do have a bit more experience in that aspect than you, given it did not particularly stand out as anything unusual. I will say though, in my line of work I have had more than a little to do with Police and have witnessed the positive outcomes from their "informal" approaches when it has been appropriate. This clearly was not one of those appropriate situations and, consequently, two Police were injured and, as I have said, the young man in question is dead.

With regard to the bomb squad business, the best I can do is speculate. So, that was either an addon for publicity (I am not convinced of that though, but it is possible), a response to other intel not shared broadly or at worst a standard practice for security...

My money would be on the "other intel" that has not been shared publicly. That is the fun bit about us all being able to make up our own minds though, given we are not presented with full and thorough information from any media source.

Which would be my other point - our media in this country is by no means worthy of being called professional. Any money that they're paid is under false pretences.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

what a stupid poll question....

Let me dumb it down a bit


Answer NO - if you believe the details should be "sealed" as an OPERATIONAL MATTER

Answer YES - if you believe the public have a right to know ALL of the details under our freedom of information

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:30pm: what a stupid poll question.... Let me dumb it down a bit Answer NO - if you believe the details should be "sealed" as an OPERATIONAL MATTER Answer YES - if you believe the public have a right to know ALL of the details under our freedom of information

the poll is stupid because of the lack of a third option.  I do not condone secrecy but nor do I see there is any reason for the public to have 100% information either.  Once the general details are known, the rest is prurient interest or for the legal processes.

THAT is why it is stupid, like most of your polls.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:30pm: what a stupid poll question.... Let me dumb it down a bit Answer NO - if you believe the details should be "sealed" as an OPERATIONAL MATTER Answer YES - if you believe the public have a right to know ALL of the details under our freedom of information the poll is stupid because of the lack of a third option.  I do not condone secrecy but nor do I see there is any reason for the public to have 100% information either.  Once the general details are known, the rest is prurient interest or for the legal processes. THAT is why it is stupid, like most of your polls.

You should go have a look at some of AP's... every option the same, and often not even relevant
to the thread, but just anti-left BS.

Kat wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:45pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:30pm: what a stupid poll question.... Let me dumb it down a bit Answer NO - if you believe the details should be "sealed" as an OPERATIONAL MATTER Answer YES - if you believe the public have a right to know ALL of the details under our freedom of information the poll is stupid because of the lack of a third option.  I do not condone secrecy but nor do I see there is any reason for the public to have 100% information either.  Once the general details are known, the rest is prurient interest or for the legal processes. THAT is why it is stupid, like most of your polls. You should go have a look at some of AP's... every option the same, and often not even relevant to the thread, but just anti-left BS.

I don't disagree.  most polls placed on this site are very close to worthless... which given the respondents in general is a fair thing.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:30pm: what a stupid poll question.... Let me dumb it down a bit Answer NO - if you believe the details should be "sealed" as an OPERATIONAL MATTER Answer YES - if you believe the public have a right to know ALL of the details under our freedom of information I do not condone secrecy but nor do I see there is any reason for the public to have 100% information either.

Your vote of NO has been recorded in poll results - against the SEVEN votes for YES

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:45pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:30pm: what a stupid poll question.... Let me dumb it down a bit Answer NO - if you believe the details should be "sealed" as an OPERATIONAL MATTER Answer YES - if you believe the public have a right to know ALL of the details under our freedom of information I do not condone secrecy but nor do I see there is any reason for the public to have 100% information either.  Your vote of NO has been recorded in poll results - against the SEVEN votes for YES

being in a separate category to the clowns on a poll with meaningless questions is really one of those 'couldn't care less' moments.