You'd think condemning IS for beheading innocent people and committing genocide would be pretty easy and a lay down misere for well. everyone.  But no.  there are quite a number of people in these very forums whose condemnation for these acts simply doesn't exist. Of course a few are insane like wharfy, but the rest supposedly live outside the padded room and have no such excuse.

we have Buzz, Pansi, George, greens-lose and a handful of others who have refused to criticise such things.  REFUSED.  and you have to ask why.

But let there be some graffiti on mosque and suddenly out they come all vengeful and outraged. the Buzzard even compared a few bits of graffiti to the Crystal Night of the 1930s in Nazi Germany.

And when there are arrests including one person planning a multiple abduction and beheading, where is the condemnation? again conspicuously absent from the above.

but there are a handful whose 'condemnation'  is no more than a few lame words barely rising to the level of disappointment of a late mail delivery at best.

peccerhead, aussie, DNA and a few others.


So what is it with you people?  I know some of you actually believe it is all fake,.  there is no IS, there is no local terrorist threat. For you I wish you all deep and rapid therapy.  but what is the excuse for the rest of you?  stupid, ignorant, brain dead.  No, the reason is far worse than that.  far far worse.

you all hate tony abbott.  not ONE apologist or ignorer for terrorism is a Liberal. Not one. Not all labor supporters are so ignorant, but a lot are.  I find it inconceivable that anyone could let their political biases go so far deep into their psyche that of affects their ability to think, to respond or even to emote.  you just hate abbott and that is all there is and all there will ever be for you.  Deep, consuming hate. If it is a liberal policy then you must oppose it - even if it is a policy you would otherwise support.

But Abbott-hate is so insidious it leads some of you to either deny the existence of terrorism and construct all manner of fanciful conspiracy scenarios to explain it or worse, to support it.

But would you denounce terrorism in clear unequivocal words?  NOT A CHANCE.  abbott hate gets in the way.

Dear Longy,
many blessings.

Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches?

It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that.

You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever
condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church?

you are forgiven

namaste

you forgot that snivelling bobby who rides around on pekkery's back like a mini me..

he'd rather score a few political points than condemn murderers..

I wouldn't spit on his face if he was on fire..  >:(

freaking traitor..  >:(

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:51pm:

Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste

it was the state Victorian Liberal party that started the ball rolling on paedophilia you ignorant turd...  >:(

why would you try and score political points on the back of peado's???

you are a first class cretin...  >:(

Let's condemn terrorism & pedophilia.

Are we all happy now?

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:51pm:

Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste

Bullshlt. When you consider how many churches there are and have been in Australia, and then multiply that by how many people have ever been apart of each of those churches in their history, then the amount of "arse clowns" (a word you don't seem to know the meaning of) is minute. It's fractions of a single percent. And Christians certainly don't support these "arse clowns", firstly because they hurt kids (including possibly their own) and secondly because it makes the church look bad. Christians and churches everywhere condemn them.

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churches everywhere condemn them.

Churches everywhere covered up their disgusting filthy activities
& moved them on to other places where they could continue to prey upon kids.

It's time the churches had their doors kicked in at 4.00 am & their pedophiles charged & hanged.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 12:49am:

Quote: churches everywhere condemn them. Churches everywhere covered up their disgusting filthy activities & moved them on to other places where they could continue to prey upon kids. It's time the churches had their doors kicked in at 4.00 am & their pedophiles charged & hanged.

Not sure about the kicking in of doors, but I am becoming swayed towards capital punishment for paedophiles following what appears to be yet another abduction on the North Coast.

As for those in-bred cretins who butcher innocents in the name of some god... I've always said "carpet bomb 'em all - let Allah sort 'em out"

The most common view I hear in any discussion of these kinds is that the only way is to get rid of the lot.

A sad reflection on humanity... especially ours.. but brought on by those who perpetrate these crimes for no real reason other than that the person they are killing might not follow their idea of the One God.

Totally stupid... but not that long ago Catholics and Protestants killed one another in the name of God...

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 12:49am:

Quote: churches everywhere condemn them. Churches everywhere covered up their disgusting filthy activities & moved them on to other places where they could continue to prey upon kids. It's time the churches had their doors kicked in at 4.00 am & their pedophiles charged & hanged.

High ranking officials in the Catholic Church covered up crimes by their pedo friends. Even then it was still a small percentage of the overall amount of priest who have never hurt a kid and would turn in anyone they caught. But that doesn't get away from the fact that the Catholic Church is just one church out of many different denominations and independent churches. Your idiotic suggestion that they are all in it together is ridiculous.

But those facts are all beside the point. The big issue is gutless smacking wonders like you who excuse terrorist and blame the police for trying to stop them. That's the point of this thread. How about you address that instead of trying to turn yet another thread into your favourite topics which are always homos and what sickos do to kids bums.

Quantum wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 12:49am: Quote: churches everywhere condemn them. Churches everywhere covered up their disgusting filthy activities & moved them on to other places where they could continue to prey upon kids. It's time the churches had their doors kicked in at 4.00 am & their pedophiles charged & hanged. High ranking officials in the Catholic Church covered up crimes by their pedo friends. Even then it was still a small percentage of the overall amount of priest who have never hurt a kid and would turn in anyone they caught. But that doesn't get away from the fact that the Catholic Church is just one church out of many different denominations and independent churches. Your idiotic suggestion that they are all in it together is ridiculous. But those facts are all beside the point. The big issue is gutless smacking wonders like you who excuse terrorist and blame the police for trying to stop them. That's the point of this thread. How about you address that instead of trying to turn yet another thread into your favourite topics which are always homos and what sickos do to kids bums.

Because Longy is a hypocrite who is quick to condemn everyone else
but can't see himself & his own limitations.

Everyone condemns terrorism.

Many people ignore church pedophilia.

still he is forgiven  ( but he tries my patience )

namaste

Good old Longy, conflates seeing monkey banging the terrorism drum with the activities of ISIL.

Some incredibly authoritarian laws are going to be introduced into Parliament next week that will remove a lot of freedoms we now have, all in the name of protecting us from terrorism. These laws take away our rights to protest and all of us here should oppose them.

As to ISIL—is whipping up hate against Muslims here going to help or hinder ISIL?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:29pm:

You'd think condemning IS for beheading innocent people and committing genocide would be pretty easy and a lay down misere for well. everyone.  But no.  there are quite a number of people in these very forums whose condemnation for these acts simply doesn't exist. Of course a few are insane like wharfy, but the rest supposedly live outside the padded room and have no such excuse.

Of course any normal person would condemn ISIS and the beheadings, but there isn't much we can do about it. How the hell is dropping bombs on them going to help? They're spread out and under cover. For every ISIS member killed, 3 innocent people will be taken out as well by our bombs as is always the case.

We weren't particularly happy about the Japanese beheading our diggers either, but now apparently we've  forgiven them. Our primeminister tells us that they're our friends, so we'll be sharing military exercises with them and buying their submarines. Do you think that's OK?

In another few decades we'll probably accept and embrace ISIL too especially if they have something we want.


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we have Buzz, Pansi, George, greens-lose and a handful of others who have refused to criticise such things.  REFUSED.  and you have to ask why. But let there be some graffiti on mosque and suddenly out they come all vengeful and outraged. the Buzzard even compared a few bits of graffiti to the Crystal Night of the 1930s in Nazi Germany.

We're friends with the Germans too. Don't worry too much about the Australian Muslims having a voice. While the Conservatives are in power, they'll ensure that our Muslims become a shunned minority.


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And when there are arrests including one person planning a multiple abduction and beheading, where is the condemnation? again conspicuously absent from the above.

The problem is quite a few of us don't believe much of anything this government tells us. Were these boys just talking tough like boys do, or was there a real terrorist plot? Of course we have to take action to ensure terrorism doesn't get a foothold here, but we'll never know how much propaganda is in the mix. In the meantime this revamped war on terrorism is going to incite even more hate.


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but there are a handful whose 'condemnation'  is no more than a few lame words barely rising to the level of disappointment of a late mail delivery at best. peccerhead, aussie, DNA and a few others. So what is it with you people?  I know some of you actually believe it is all fake,.  there is no IS, there is no local terrorist threat. For you I wish you all deep and rapid therapy.  but what is the excuse for the rest of you?  stupid, ignorant, brain dead.  No, the reason is far worse than that.  far far worse you all hate tony abbott.  not ONE apologist or ignorer for terrorism is a Liberal. Not one. Not all labor supporters are so ignorant, but a lot are.  I find it inconceivable that anyone could let their political biases go so far deep into their psyche that of affects their ability to think, to respond or even to emote.  you just hate abbott and that is all there is and all there will ever be for you.  Deep, consuming hate. If it is a liberal policy then you must oppose it - even if it is a policy you would otherwise support.

This is true - there is a lot of dislike out there for Abbott - not dissimilar to the dislike you lot had for Gillard. Abbott hasn't stopped lying since he took office.


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But Abbott-hate is so insidious it leads some of you to either deny the existence of terrorism and construct all manner of fanciful conspiracy scenarios to explain it or worse, to support it. But would you denounce terrorism in clear unequivocal words?  NOT A CHANCE.  abbott hate gets in the way.

I denounce terrorism as any peace loving person would, but ISIL is not the only terrorist group on this planet. What are we doing about the others?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 12:49am:

Quote: churches everywhere condemn them. Churches everywhere covered up their disgusting filthy activities & moved them on to other places where they could continue to prey upon kids. It's time the churches had their doors kicked in at 4.00 am & their pedophiles charged & hanged.

You're an idiot.
Namaste.

The hard right thought police are on the war path.

A few points
-I have already condemned violence.
- LW was asked to condemn the terrorism of palestinian children and their murdering at the hands of the Israeli Army. He refused to condemn this terrorism.
-LW also refuses to condemn the hard right's path in undermining world action on AGW and so through this action is creating fertile ground for the spread of terrorism and increasing death from food, water scarcity and climate wars.

Practice what you preach LW, condemn the Israeli Army for terrorising Palestinian children and condemn Abbott for working against world action on AGW.

Until then, you could and should be classed as a supporter of terrorism.

I want to know who made longie the Minister of morals and Ethics? One of the least ethical guys on this forum .... always lying about other people and then refuses to apologise when he gets caught lying

WHat makes you think you are so important that anyone has to justify themselves to you? Shove your faux condemnation longy, its getting boring and repetitive

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:44am:

Good old Longy, conflates seeing monkey banging the terrorism drum with the activities of ISIL. Some incredibly authoritarian laws are going to be introduced into Parliament next week that will remove a lot of freedoms we now have, all in the name of protecting us from terrorism. These laws take away our rights to protest     and all of us here should oppose them. As to ISIL—is whipping up hate against Muslims here going to help or hinder ISIL?

WTF?

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:44am:

Good old Longy, conflates seeing monkey banging the terrorism drum with the activities of ISIL. Some incredibly authoritarian laws are going to be introduced into Parliament next week that will remove a lot of freedoms we now have, all in the name of protecting us from terrorism. These laws take away our rights to protest and all of us here should oppose them. As to ISIL—is whipping up hate against Muslims here going to help or hinder ISIL?

That's right - we need the many good Muslims to help us fight the cancer in their midst

but instead Tony's policies will alienate them all.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:08am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 3:44am: Good old Longy, conflates seeing monkey banging the terrorism drum with the activities of ISIL. Some incredibly authoritarian laws are going to be introduced into Parliament next week that will remove a lot of freedoms we now have, all in the name of protecting us from terrorism. These laws take away our rights to protest and all of us here should oppose them. As to ISIL—is whipping up hate against Muslims here going to help or hinder ISIL? That's right - we need the many good Muslims to help us fight the cancer in their midst but instead Tony's policies will alienate them all.

Damn right!

John Smith wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:58am:

I want to know who made longie the Minister of morals and Ethics? One of the least ethical guys on this forum .... always lying about other people and then refuses to apologise when he gets caught lying WHat makes you think you are so important that anyone has to justify themselves to you? Shove your faux condemnation longy, its getting boring and repetitive

Excellent post.

Considering the fact that Longy is hoping (he actually used the word "hope") for at least two forum members to die from a terrorist attack on Australian soil, it's time he pulled his (empty) head in.

Soren, Quantum, Armpit, Sprint et al. are all fine contenders for the title of 'Most Insignificant Forum Member', however, while Longy the terrorist keeps posting they don't stand a chance of winning (or is that losing?).

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 9:08am: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 3:44am: Good old Longy, conflates seeing monkey banging the terrorism drum with the activities of ISIL. Some incredibly authoritarian laws are going to be introduced into Parliament next week that will remove a lot of freedoms we now have, all in the name of protecting us from terrorism. These laws take away our rights to protest and all of us here should oppose them. As to ISIL—is whipping up hate against Muslims here going to help or hinder ISIL? That's right - we need the many good Muslims to help us fight the cancer in their midst but instead Tony's policies will alienate them all. Damn right!

Thanks George.

Worse is likely to come.


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We are the ones being terrorised, Muslims say A car has been damaged and daubed with offensive comments, threatening letters have been sent and women have been abused in the street. A backlash of hate crimes against the Muslim community after the police raids last week has also sparked a rash of social media comments such as “this is how they should deal with them”, “behead them all”, “give them a taste of their own medicine for a change” and “we just need to blow up parramatta n bankstown”.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/we-are-the-ones-being-terrorised-muslims-say-20140920-10jdkw.html#ixzz3DrFYdNxX

How long before we have our own Kristallnacht? Muslim (or just ME ones, bogans can hardly read) shops, mosques and homes torched, windows smashed, looting. Abbott will be all sympathising in public while giving the green light for the hate–mongers to continue. Looks like that is the only way he can win the next election!

Another historical parallel: Burning of the Reichstag! Is this what putting armed AFP into PH is about? Stage some halfhearted attack on PH and use that to pass even more draconian security laws?

If anyone thinks these laws are about Muslims they are very much mistaken, Muslims are just a convenient whipping boy!

Its time wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:05am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 3:44am: Good old Longy, conflates seeing monkey banging the terrorism drum with the activities of ISIL. Some incredibly authoritarian laws are going to be introduced into Parliament next week that will remove a lot of freedoms we now have, all in the name of protecting us from terrorism. These laws take away our rights to protest     and all of us here should oppose them. As to ISIL—is whipping up hate against Muslims here going to help or hinder ISIL? WTF?

Suggest you do some reading! The laws also do not disallow ASIO from using torture! Then the data retention laws! Police state anyone?

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:23am:

Worse is likely to come. Quote: We are the ones being terrorised, Muslims say A car has been damaged and daubed with offensive comments, threatening letters have been sent and women have been abused in the street. A backlash of hate crimes against the Muslim community after the police raids last week has also sparked a rash of social media comments such as “this is how they should deal with them”, “behead them all”, “give them a taste of their own medicine for a change” and “we just need to blow up parramatta n bankstown”. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/we-are-the-ones-being-terrorised-muslims-say-20140920-10jdkw.html#ixzz3DrFYdNxX How long before we have our own Kristallnacht?

Indeed.

One particular forum member - aquascoot - was calling for it just the other day.

So, now we have Longy hoping for successful terrorist attacks in Australia, and aquaboy inciting riots.

I'd keep an eye on those two.

“Useful idiots” the pair of them. Sprint not far behind.

and ironically... look at how many are condemning terrorism... hmm mantra (weakly) and pretty much no one else.

QED

You are a liar longy, just like your idol Abbott.

I do not and have never claimed to approve of terrorism or beheading.

You really can't take it when people have a different opinion to you, can you? Sad little man you are.

Im just impressed at how Howard, Bush and Blair managed to completely stuff up the Middle East and actually increase the frequency of terrorist attacks and bring unimaginable horror on to the good people of Syria and Iraq in just a few short years.

Well done...to the Three Amigos ...but sadly now we have to clean up your awful mess  :D

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 9:08am: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 3:44am: Good old Longy, conflates seeing monkey banging the terrorism drum with the activities of ISIL. Some incredibly authoritarian laws are going to be introduced into Parliament next week that will remove a lot of freedoms we now have, all in the name of protecting us from terrorism. These laws take away our rights to protest and all of us here should oppose them. As to ISIL—is whipping up hate against Muslims here going to help or hinder ISIL? That's right - we need the many good Muslims to help us fight the cancer in their midst but instead Tony's policies will alienate them all. Damn right!

Agree....

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 12:40pm:

and ironically... look at how many are condemning terrorism... hmm mantra (weakly) and pretty much no one else. QED

Maybe people just refuse to pander to a lackwit such as yourself; I know I do.

;)

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:51pm:

Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste

I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in.

:D

adelcrow wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Im just impressed at how Howard, Bush and Blair managed to completely stuff up the Middle East and actually increase the frequency of terrorist attacks and bring unimaginable horror on to the good people of Syria and Iraq in just a few short years. Well done...to the Three Amigos Stooges...but sadly now we have to clean up your awful mess  :D

Fixed!!!

:)

In my view the perpertrators of these heinous terrorist attacks need to be caught and should get exactly what they deserve.

However having said that I am concerned about the escalation of hatred and dishonest propaganda which attempts to link these radical groups to Muslims in general and more specifically to Muslims living in Australia.

We had anti terror laws under Howard which seen unjust incidents like Dr Haneef and Hicks and now we see an escalation of the rubbish that the Howard government commenced based on little more than a dislike and mistrust of different racial groups.

Condemning terrorists does not necessarily mean to have to condemn non terrorists just because they may look similar.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 2:17pm:

You are a liar longy, just like your idol Abbott. I do not and have never claimed to approve of terrorism or beheading. You really can't take it when people have a different opinion to you, can you? Sad little man you are.

even this post doesn't CONDEMN it.  it just doesn't support it.  can you post s unequivocal condemnation of terrorism?

Lobo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:51pm: Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in. :D

do you have any links to that?  after all, you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth or interpreting anything correctly.

Poll

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:10pm:

Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:51pm: Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in. :D do you have any links to that?  after all, you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth or interpreting anything correctly.

Child abuse royal commission to look at allegations against father of Hillsong founder
Churches’ reaction to allegations against Pentecostal preacher Frank Houston and two other men to be focus of public hearing.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/child-abuse-royal-commission-to-look-at-allegations-against-father-of-hillsong-founder

And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths????

Matthew 7:5


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…4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

:)

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The commission will examine how the Sydney Christian Life Centre and Hills Christian Life Centre (now Hillsong Church) and Assemblies of God in Australia (now Australian Christian Churches) treated allegations against the Pentecostal Christian pastor William Francis “Frank” Houston and two other men.

MORE???

:)

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Poll

You forgot "All of the above".

;)

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:

In my view the perpertrators of these heinous terrorist attacks need to be caught and should get exactly what they deserve. However having said that I am concerned about the escalation of hatred and dishonest propaganda which attempts to link these radical groups to Muslims in general and more specifically to Muslims living in Australia. We had anti terror laws under Howard which seen unjust incidents like Dr Haneef and Hicks and now we see an escalation of the rubbish that the Howard government commenced based on little more than a dislike and mistrust of different racial groups. Condemning terrorists does not necessarily mean to have to condemn non terrorists just because they may look similar.

its a nice post but like so much other writing on the subject fails to demonstrate how in any way anyone is targeting muslims above anyone else.  there are no laws or programs targetting muslims.  there ARE laws targeting terrorists and support for terrorism and at the moment that is largely (well let's be honest her - entirely) muslim.  that does not mean that are being targeted.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Poll

I voted—“Yes, sick of his lies” and I am!

Called me a liar, couldn’t substantiate it, wouldn’t apologise. Has posted numerous other personal insults. He deserves a lengthy holiday.

Lobo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:15pm: Poll You forgot "All of the above". ;)

D'oh!

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:15pm: Poll You forgot "All of the above". ;) D'oh!

Pleased to be of assistance....

:)

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:15pm: Poll You forgot "All of the above". ;) D'oh!

poor old peccahead.  believes absolutely any nonsense about faked terrorist arrests and then goes all postal calling several people pedos.  what a pitiful little man, afraid of his shadow and even more afraid of a job that makes him work instead of write Dr Who reviews.

I don't run to moderators to complain like you and a handful of other bedwetting sissies.

but nice to see Quantum and I made our point nicely.  your even been able to express  *shock horror* and emotion.  Who knows, at this rate you might even be able to express disgust at home-grown terrorism and believe it exists!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:42pm:

... you might even be able to express disgust at home-grown terrorism and believe it exists!

How could one not believe this, or not be disgusted by it?:


http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/12/20/1226541/158555-wreckage-of-the-bomb-at-the-sydney-hilton.jpg


You're just like your dear leader: a pathological liar.

And, seeing as you are now hoping for the deaths (by terrorist attack) of two forum members, it would appear that you are a sociopath as well.

What a lovely pair you two make.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:42pm: ... you might even be able to express disgust at home-grown terrorism and believe it exists! How could one not believe this, or not be disgusted by it?: http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/12/20/1226541/158555-wreckage-of-the-bomb-at-the-sydney-hilton.jpg You're just like your dear leader: a pathological liar. And, seeing as you are now hoping for the deaths (by terrorist attack) of two forum members, it would appear that you are a sociopath as well. What a lovely pair you two make.

and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!  what a drongo you are peccahead. 

it is still amusing listening to the long long line of lefties who are to date, not even willing to unequivocally reject terrorism and who still say it doesn't even exists in Australia.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:50pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:42pm: ... you might even be able to express disgust at home-grown terrorism and believe it exists! How could one not believe this, or not be disgusted by it?: http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/12/20/1226541/158555-wreckage-of-the-bomb-at-the-sydney-hilton.jpg You're just like your dear leader: a pathological liar. And, seeing as you are now hoping for the deaths (by terrorist attack) of two forum members, it would appear that you are a sociopath as well. What a lovely pair you two make. and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!  what a drongo you are peccahead.  it is still amusing listening to the long long line of lefties who are to date, not even willing to unequivocally reject terrorism and who still say it doesn't even exists in Australia.

Well when they alter the word "terrorism" to encompass not just middle eastern appearance we may admit it actually exists here, now that we have a LNP government naturally it's been brought to our attention , obviously it was never there until a few weeks ago, not even when were still  fighting Howards war in IRAQ for near on 5 extra years after his departure. Why has it just magically appeared? What is Terrorism Longy? Humour us with your acumen.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:54pm:

and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!

And the pathological lying continues.

I've never said that there has never been terrorism in Australia.

You're losing your marbles, Longy.

Anyone who has studied terrorism knows instantly that the most terrorism in human history has been that perpetrated by government.

Now, friends, this is what I mean about them fancy dancing academics.. I could not, under any circumstances, get across to a Professor of Peace Studies that violence in a society starts and finishes with government and its approach to issues and people.  When government behaviour says 'violence by us is the way things are done', then it permeates down through all of society and you end up with school bullies.

You see an extreme example of this with IS - their chosen way is violence - ergo , any and every idiot within cannon shot of them and much further sees that violence is the only way.  IS is a government in being even if not by our 'elected' standards.

Similarly, we see Joe Hockey and his tantrum behaviour - tantrum is brinkmanship - 'if you don't give me what I want, I will make it so bad for you you will have to give it' - which is another form of violence.

If the human race, and we as a country, are ever going to get ahead socially and as thinking human beings, we desperately need a government that understand those simple things, and actually behaves as if they do.

Bring on the Enlightened Government.

for the purists who have no desire to engage in philosophicval discussion:-

HERE!!!

"terrorism
ˈtɛrərɪzəm/
noun
noun: terrorism

    the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

That should open your eyes, you Infidels out there who do not accord with the true way of Grappelr....

Its time wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:50pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:42pm: ... you might even be able to express disgust at home-grown terrorism and believe it exists! How could one not believe this, or not be disgusted by it?: http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/12/20/1226541/158555-wreckage-of-the-bomb-at-the-sydney-hilton.jpg You're just like your dear leader: a pathological liar. And, seeing as you are now hoping for the deaths (by terrorist attack) of two forum members, it would appear that you are a sociopath as well. What a lovely pair you two make. and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!  what a drongo you are peccahead.  it is still amusing listening to the long long line of lefties who are to date, not even willing to unequivocally reject terrorism and who still say it doesn't even exists in Australia. Well when they alter the word "terrorism" to encompass not just middle eastern appearance we may admit it actually exists here, now that we have a LNP government naturally it's been brought to our attention , obviously it was never there until a few weeks ago, not even when were still  fighting Howards war in IRAQ for near on 5 extra years after his departure. Why has it just magically appeared? What is Terrorism Longy? Humour us with your acumen.

'they' never defined as such. but when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic the two do get connected rather powerfully and justifiably.  or would you like to tell us about the non-Islamic terrorisma that australis is at risk from?

your ignorance of recent years is not a good look.  we have during the labor years had two major terrorism trials resulting in long jail sentences for Islamic terrorists on Australian soil.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:54pm: and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!  And the pathological lying continues. I've never said that there has never been terrorism in Australia. You're losing your marbles, Longy.

well the CHOGM bombing in Sydney was only 'alleged'.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:24pm:

... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ...

It's not, actually.

However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim.

Just one, though.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:08pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:54pm: and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!  And the pathological lying continues. I've never said that there has never been terrorism in Australia. You're losing your marbles, Longy. well the CHOGM bombing in Sydney was only 'alleged'.

No, it actually happened.

You really need help with that pathological lying.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:24pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:50pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:42pm: ... you might even be able to express disgust at home-grown terrorism and believe it exists! How could one not believe this, or not be disgusted by it?: http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/12/20/1226541/158555-wreckage-of-the-bomb-at-the-sydney-hilton.jpg You're just like your dear leader: a pathological liar. And, seeing as you are now hoping for the deaths (by terrorist attack) of two forum members, it would appear that you are a sociopath as well. What a lovely pair you two make. and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!  what a drongo you are peccahead.  it is still amusing listening to the long long line of lefties who are to date, not even willing to unequivocally reject terrorism and who still say it doesn't even exists in Australia. Well when they alter the word "terrorism" to encompass not just middle eastern appearance we may admit it actually exists here, now that we have a LNP government naturally it's been brought to our attention , obviously it was never there until a few weeks ago, not even when were still  fighting Howards war in IRAQ for near on 5 extra years after his departure. Why has it just magically appeared? What is Terrorism Longy? Humour us with your acumen. 'they' never defined as such. but when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic the two do get connected rather powerfully and justifiably.  or would you like to tell us about the non-Islamic terrorisma that australis is at risk from? your ignorance of recent years is not a good look.  we have during the labor years had two major terrorism trials resulting in long jail sentences for Islamic terrorists on Australian soil.

The picture further up the page of gregs, were they Muslims.

And thank you for walking in to that and admitting convictions under Labor government, they were executed and the offenders prosecuted with existing law and intelligence services which seemed more than sufficient wouldn't you agree.

In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/staggering-statistics-on-muslims-killing-muslims-2/


greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though.

Soren failed (no surprises there).

So, Longy: can you substantiate your ridiculous claim?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though.

I would be interested in hearing what Peccerhead considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies if he doesn't consider it to be any of the various flavours and alphabet soup of Islamism?

Datalife wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though. I would be interested in hearing what Peccerhead considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies if he doesn't consider it to be any of the various flavours and alphabet soup of Islamism?

Let's leave the goal posts exactly where they were:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic"

Bullshit.  A complete fabrication.  Just another of Long's long list of lies.

Longy has failed to substantiate his claim and, let's face it, it was an impossible task anyway.

However, if you think you can help him, be my guest.

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" - prove it.

U
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:51pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though. I would be interested in hearing what Peccerhead considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies if he doesn't consider it to be any of the various flavours and alphabet soup of Islamism? Let's leave the goal posts exactly where they were: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Bullshit.  A complete fabrication.  Just another of Long's long list of lies. Longy has failed to substantiate his claim and, let's face it, it was an impossible task anyway. However, if you think you can help him, be my guest. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" - prove it.

Your inability and unwillingness to respond is its own answer Peccerhead. You know the reality, just afraid to say it. How funny is that.   ;D

Datalife wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:56pm:

U greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:51pm: Datalife wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though. I would be interested in hearing what Peccerhead considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies if he doesn't consider it to be any of the various flavours and alphabet soup of Islamism? Let's leave the goal posts exactly where they were: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Bullshit.  A complete fabrication.  Just another of Long's long list of lies. Longy has failed to substantiate his claim and, let's face it, it was an impossible task anyway. However, if you think you can help him, be my guest. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" - prove it. Your inability and unwillingness to respond is its own answer Peccerhead. You know the reality, just afraid to say it. How funny is that.   ;D

Soren - failed.

Longy - failed.

Data - failed.

And there we have it, folks: the three stooges have once again failed to provide any rationale to support their Islamophobia.

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic"  No.  Complete bullshit, made up by Long (and believed by his little minions, because they don't have the intelligence to question anything that doesn't fit in with their bigoted view of the world).

This is too easy.

Next!

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:51pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though. I would be interested in hearing what Peccerhead considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies if he doesn't consider it to be any of the various flavours and alphabet soup of Islamism? Let's leave the goal posts exactly where they were: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Bullshit.  A complete fabrication.  Just another of Long's long list of lies. Longy has failed to substantiate his claim and, let's face it, it was an impossible task anyway. However, if you think you can help him, be my guest. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" - prove it.

It’s like gravity or time - you just know it.

You can count  the basques and the localised tearaways burning rubbish bins - but terrorism with a global reach AND global aim is Islamic. One or two countries may have issues with some local punks but dozens have problems with the islamic ones.
Your stats are calculted to smudge rather than illuminate the issue. That is why they are so attractive to you.
10 million muslims have been killed by other muslims since WWII. Religion peace.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:02pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:56pm: U greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:51pm: Datalife wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though. I would be interested in hearing what Peccerhead considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies if he doesn't consider it to be any of the various flavours and alphabet soup of Islamism? Let's leave the goal posts exactly where they were: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Bullshit.  A complete fabrication.  Just another of Long's long list of lies. Longy has failed to substantiate his claim and, let's face it, it was an impossible task anyway. However, if you think you can help him, be my guest. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" - prove it. Your inability and unwillingness to respond is its own answer Peccerhead. You know the reality, just afraid to say it. How funny is that.   ;D Soren - failed. Longy - failed. Data - failed. And there we have it, folks: the three stooges have once again failed to provide any rationale to support their Islamophobia. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic"  No.  Complete bullshit, made up by Long (and believed by his little minions, because they don't have the intelligence to question anything that doesn't fit in with their bigoted view of the world). This is too easy. Next!

Indeed it was, easier than I expected, not even an attempt to deflect to the ummmm Lutherans.

Fooling no one Peccerhead.  You know the modern reality but afraid or unwilling to say it.  Very telling. 

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:07pm:

... terrorism with a global reach AND global aim is Islamic.

Prove it then.



Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:07pm:

One or two countries may have issues with some local punks but dozens have problems with the islamic ones.

No argument from me on that.



Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Your stats are calculted to smudge rather than illuminate the issue.

What stats?



Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:07pm:

10 million muslims have been killed by other muslims since WWII.

No argument from me on that.  It's quite disturbing. I see no redeeming features in Islam: quite a stupid religion, if you ask me.

So, back to this: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".  Bullshit.

Datalife wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:11pm:

You know the modern reality but afraid or unwilling to say it.  Very telling.

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".

Bullshit.  Complete and utter crap. Fabricated nonsense.

Substantiate your claim, or desist with the lies.

Are you a pathological liar, like Longy?

____ wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:37am:

The hard right thought police are on the war path. A few points -I have already condemned violence. - LW was asked to condemn the terrorism of palestinian children and their murdering at the hands of the Israeli Army. He refused to condemn this terrorism. -LW also refuses to condemn the hard right's path in undermining world action on AGW and so through this action is creating fertile ground for the spread of terrorism and increasing death from food, water scarcity and climate wars. Practice what you preach LW, condemn the Israeli Army for terrorising Palestinian children and condemn Abbott for working against world action on AGW. Until then, you could and should be classed as a supporter of terrorism.

Kids in Palestine die at the hands of Hamas.  We should not forget that

Unabomber
Charles Manson
Ivan Milat

Rwanda

Apartheid

Illegal invasion of Iraq

There you go. To the old boy, one man’s smudge is another man’s illumination.

Terrorism is felt deep within - the same way Kierkergaard saw the leap of faith. It’s a Lutheran thing.

The fact that there hasn’t actually been any Muselman terrorism here is neither here nor there.

We just feel these things deep within our hearts - those of us who are correctly tuned, anyhow.

Thanks, old boy. I, for one, think you’re really very brave. You just "know it", and so do we.

Well, gweggowy, if you don’t think it is true then you think what you want. It  really does not matter what you think. The experience around here is that whatever you think is most likely BS.

Oh, and same for you, PB.

Datalife wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though. I would be interested in hearing what Peccerhead considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies if he doesn't consider it to be any of the various flavours and alphabet soup of Islamism?

Funny as, Peccerhead has been swaggering around the forum calling everyone afraid and the coward is too scared to just nominate, to just say what he considers to be the number one terrorist threat to the first world secular democracies.

You can dance and deflect Peccerhead but your silence is golden and speaks volumes.   8-)

Like a little boy, not out of your mouth are you condemned but by your obstinate silence, eyes closed shut and just hoping the question will go away because you are afraid to answer it.

Hilarious.  And that's not forum hyper-bowl, it is genuinely amusing that you cannot even bring yourself to say a word, doesn't even need to be Islamism, you can nominate Lutherans if you like as your number one threat.

Anything?  Nothing?  Remaining silent?  Eyes screwed shut still? 

  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I don't generally go overboard in the smileys but it is genuinely amusing. 

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Well, gweggowy, if you don’t think it is true then you think what you want.

I'd think it were true if you could provide the proof.

"It’s like gravity or time - you just know it" doesn't really cut it with me, I'm sorry.

If that were the case, I could say "Soren, Data and Longy are gay lovers (not that there's anything wrong with that) who often invite underage boys into their basement on Sunday nights" and never be challenged on it, just by saying "It’s like gravity or time - you just know it.".

Not that I would say such a thing, of course.

Let me know if you come up with something, though.  I'll be here.

How can you tell when Greg the cowardly poster is rattled?  He starts throwing around gay and pedo accusations.  Nothing if not predictable.  ::)

To recap.

I called bullshit on this:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".

Nobody has substantiated that claim.

Longy ran away.

Soren thought it was all too hard (cracked another tinnie and sat down to watch Iron Man).

Data hangs around like a bad smell, hoping to make friends with Soren and Longy (anyone!).

Cool   :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:42pm:

To recap. I called bullshit on this: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Nobody has substantiated that claim. Longy ran away. Soren thought it was all too hard (cracked another tinnie and sat down to watch Iron Man). Data hangs around like a bad smell, hoping to make friends with Soren and Longy (anyone!). Cool   :)

Greg the cowardly poster, not waving drowning. 8-)

Any more gay or pedo accusations to throw out to distract from your gutless inability to name what you consider the number one terrorist threat to western secular democracies?

It is only words on a screen Peccerhead, no need to be scared, you can nominate whatever you like?

Or is that a bridge too far for your sandalista convictions to tolerate?

Eyes tight shut, fingers in ears and Greg shouting "you are all gay pedos".  Frigging pathetic and cowardly is what you are. 

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".

Substantiate the claim.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:51pm:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Substantiate the claim.

Who me?  Not my claim bozo.

Now you gutless wonder,  any chance at all you can scrape together a few milligrams of courage and put a word or two on a screen? 

Hell, it is not like I am asking you to condemn anyone or anything, just a word or two nominating what you consider to be the number one terrorist threat.

Can you do it Peccerhead?  Can you summon up the courage? 

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".

Substantiate the claim.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:57pm:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Substantiate the claim.

I can substantiate your ability to sit on the forum 24/7 contributing toward your massive post count far exceeds my patience or actually giving a poo, but don't confuse bone headed endurance and nothing better to do idleness with actually demonstrating anything else other than your impression of the cowardly lion.

;D can't even bring himself to nominate a single entity.  How pathetic and empty, devoid of character you have just proven yourself to be.   

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".

Substantiate the claim.

Longy?  You haven't gone to bed, have you?

Lobo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:10pm: Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:51pm: Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in. :D do you have any links to that?  after all, you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth or interpreting anything correctly. Child abuse royal commission to look at allegations against father of Hillsong founder Churches’ reaction to allegations against Pentecostal preacher Frank Houston and two other men to be focus of public hearing. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/child-abuse-royal-commission-to-look-at-allegations-against-father-of-hillsong-founder And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths???? Matthew 7:5 Quote: …4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. :)

Quote:

you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth

And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths????

Still waiting, longy.....

Put up, or shut up.
Retract, or apologise.

:)

How do you tell Peccerhead is rattled?  First of all he throws out accusations of homosexuality and pedophelia and then he starts threads to get posters banned.

Not only is he too scared to write words on a computer monitor he is too scared to read words on a computer monitor and like your average sandalista his first instinct is to ban and censor.

More fun than a box of monkeys is Greg the cowardly poster.

Datalife wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:18pm:

More fun than a box of monkeys is Greg the cowardly poster.

http://i.imgur.com/bGu96xt.gif

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Well, gweggowy, if you don’t think it is true then you think what you want. It  really does not matter what you think. The experience around here is that whatever you think is most likely BS. Oh, and same for you, PB.

Become a postmodernist have you, dear boy?

Marvellous stuff.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:08pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:54pm: and here you are providing the debunking of your OWN CLAIM that there had never been terrorism in Australia!  And the pathological lying continues. I've never said that there has never been terrorism in Australia. You're losing your marbles, Longy. well the CHOGM bombing in Sydney was only 'alleged'. No, it actually happened. You really need help with that pathological lying.

nope. only alleged.  that photo was a madeup one. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:24pm: ... when terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic ... It's not, actually. However, I'll give you one chance to substantiate your ridiculous claim. Just one, though.

back to you.  list the terrorist attacks that ARENT Islamic.  yes, there are a few, but not many hence the word 'virtually'.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:42pm:

To recap. I called bullshit on this: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Nobody has substantiated that claim. Longy ran away. Soren thought it was all too hard (cracked another tinnie and sat down to watch Iron Man). Data hangs around like a bad smell, hoping to make friends with Soren and Longy (anyone!). Cool   :)

if that statement weren't true it would be extremely easy to disprove... something you have not even attempted to do.

QED

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:08pm:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Substantiate the claim. Longy?  You haven't gone to bed, have you?

unlike you I have a life, a wife and better things to do that watch you demonstrate your cowardice and pedantry.

Longweekend believes in the prosperity message:

God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies.

Lobo wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:17pm:

Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:18pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:10pm: Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:51pm: Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in. :D do you have any links to that?  after all, you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth or interpreting anything correctly. Child abuse royal commission to look at allegations against father of Hillsong founder Churches’ reaction to allegations against Pentecostal preacher Frank Houston and two other men to be focus of public hearing. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/child-abuse-royal-commission-to-look-at-allegations-against-father-of-hillsong-founder And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths???? Matthew 7:5 Quote: …4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. :) [quote]you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth

And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths????

Still waiting, longy.....

Put up, or shut up.
Retract, or apologise.

:)[/quote]


it is a 20yo allegation NOT against hillsong but the father of the man who founded it.  nor was it some kind of continued abuse as has occured in so many other places.  Perhaps what is so telling is that in an attempt to smear Hillsong and the Pentecostal church all they can do is bring up a single instance occurring in NZ 20 years ago by the relative of the pastor. not exactly a smoking gun.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:58am:

Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies.

look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor?

yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad.

now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

you are an idiot ... you have a Ford, a piece of crap car .... you wouldn't know a great car if it ran over you

John Smith wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. you are an idiot ... you have a Ford, a piece of crap car .... you wouldn't know a great car if it ran over you

sounds envious.  what is your car?  Mine is a black FPV GT 0-100 in 5.9 brilliant handling awesome sound and even now still a head-turner. 


and you own a camry... the only car that should come with its own cardigan.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:13am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:06am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. you are an idiot ... you have a Ford, a piece of crap car .... you wouldn't know a great car if it ran over you sounds envious.  what is your car?  Mine is a black FPV GT 0-100 in 5.9 brilliant handling awesome sound and even now still a head-turner.  and you own a camry... the only car that should come with its own cardigan.

I told you it was a piece of sh1t.... does it have a bid d1ck on the front grill?


and no, i don't own a camry ... not surprising you got that wrong too

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".

Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy?

Admit you lied.

To date the only terrorist attacks to be carried out in Australia has been done by non Islamic Australian citizens.

Hoddle St and Tasmania being two examples.

The latest Australian would be terrorist is one person not a population and he failed.

What is especially sickening is neither the LNP nor Abbott are about promoting that little bit of truth! They have an agenda and it is not Australian!

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:20am:

To date the only terrorist attacks to be carried out in Australia has been done by non Islamic Australian citizens. Hoddle St and Tasmania being two examples. The latest Australian would be terrorist is one person not a population and he failed. What is especially sickening is neither the LNP nor Abbott are about promoting that little bit of truth! They have an agenda and it is not Australian!

Yes but as we have seen in Bali they don't need to come to Australia to attack Australians...

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:20am:

To date the only terrorist attacks to be carried out in Australia has been done by non Islamic Australian citizens. Hoddle St and Tasmania being two examples. The latest Australian would be terrorist is one person not a population and he failed. What is especially sickening is neither the LNP nor Abbott are about promoting that little bit of truth! They have an agenda and it is not Australian!

History is guide but there is also something about preparing for the battle already past.  It is undeniable (well to most people, luvvies excluded) that the main current and future terrorist threat comes from followers of the religion of peace. 

brumbie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 10:20am: To date the only terrorist attacks to be carried out in Australia has been done by non Islamic Australian citizens. Hoddle St and Tasmania being two examples. The latest Australian would be terrorist is one person not a population and he failed. What is especially sickening is neither the LNP nor Abbott are about promoting that little bit of truth! They have an agenda and it is not Australian! Yes but as we have seen in Bali they don't need to come to Australia to attack Australians...

They don't need to come Australia to murder anyone, nor where they selective of religious believers!

The 2002 Bali bombings occurred on 12 October 2002
in the tourist district of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali.

The attack killed 202 people (including 88 Australians, 38 Indonesians, 27 Britons, 7 Americans, 6 Swedish citizens and 3 Danish citizens)..


The 2005 Bail bombing. Among those killed are 15 Indonesians, 4 Australians,
and a Japanese national, not counting the 3 suicide bombers.

Datalife wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:11am:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 10:20am: To date the only terrorist attacks to be carried out in Australia has been done by non Islamic Australian citizens. Hoddle St and Tasmania being two examples. The latest Australian would be terrorist is one person not a population and he failed. What is especially sickening is neither the LNP nor Abbott are about promoting that little bit of truth! They have an agenda and it is not Australian! History is guide but there is also something about preparing for the battle already past.  It is undeniable (well to most people, luvvies excluded) that the main current and future terrorist threat comes from followers of the religion of peace.

Christians ? Yes you're probably correct given they're responsible for more murder than any other followers of their individual sky fairy.

Its time wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:15am:

Christians ? Yes you're probably correct given they're responsible for more murder than any other followers of their individual sky fairy.

When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.

The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none.

    The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site.

Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians.

    According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site

80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass.

Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam.

    ... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East.  Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions.  When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue

Add just those two numbers alone together, and Islam has surpassed the victims of 20th-century totalitarianism. However, it does not end there. Add the millions who died at the hand of Muslims in the Sudan in our lifetime.

Much of Islamic slavery was sexual in nature, with a preference for women. Those men who were captured were castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often killed, which explains why Islam was not demographically shifted towards the black race, unlike slaves in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class. Add in those dead children; and we arrive at well over 200 million.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html#ixzz3E0GrEfxz

It is undeniable that Islam is becoming more radical and some of its followers pose a risk to anyone who does not follow the teachings of the Koran.....To ignore the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam and draw parallels to other forms of terrorism is a straw man argument, of course some Muslims pose a risk to societies all over the world and to deny this is denying reality.....Islam is a misogynist religion where woman are denied equality and must conform to the will of men....Until Islam allows woman and non believers the right to equal freedom I am afraid we should not accept it is anything but an oppressive religion that does not practice tolerance and is not peaceful as many claim IMO!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Everyone ought to worship God according to his own inclinations, and not to be constrained by force.
Flavius Josephus (37 AD - 100 AD), Life

John Smith wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:13am: John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:06am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. you are an idiot ... you have a Ford, a piece of crap car .... you wouldn't know a great car if it ran over you sounds envious.  what is your car?  Mine is a black FPV GT 0-100 in 5.9 brilliant handling awesome sound and even now still a head-turner.  and you own a camry... the only car that should come with its own cardigan. I told you it was a piece of sh1t.... does it have a bid d1ck on the front grill? and no, i don't own a camry ... not surprising you got that wrong too

well u didnt admit what you drive so kinda proves my point just the same although why you care what I drive is beyond me.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:30am:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy? Admit you lied.

it has been more than substantiated and if you had proof otherwise you would have been quick to say so.

Datalife wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:11am:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 10:20am: To date the only terrorist attacks to be carried out in Australia has been done by non Islamic Australian citizens. Hoddle St and Tasmania being two examples. The latest Australian would be terrorist is one person not a population and he failed. What is especially sickening is neither the LNP nor Abbott are about promoting that little bit of truth! They have an agenda and it is not Australian! History is guide but there is also something about preparing for the battle already past.  It is undeniable (well to most people, luvvies excluded) that the main current and future terrorist threat comes from followers of the religion of peace.

hoddle street was not terrorism.  it was mass murder but a single individual.  But I can see the next phase of this debate where the loons define terrorism as any bit of violence that might have upset ie caused terror in someone.  nothing like diluting the meaning of the word to destroy any rational debate. 

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:43am:

It is undeniable that Islam is becoming more radical and some of its followers pose a risk to anyone who does not follow the teachings of the Koran.....To ignore the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam and draw parallels to other forms of terrorism is a straw man argument, of course some Muslims pose a risk to societies all over the world and to deny this is denying reality.....Islam is a misogynist religion where woman are denied equality and must conform to the will of men....Until Islam allows woman and non believers the right to equal freedom I am afraid we should not accept it is anything but an oppressive religion that does not practice tolerance and is not peaceful as many claim IMO!!! :-? :-? :-? Everyone ought to worship God according to his own inclinations, and not to be constrained by force. Flavius Josephus (37 AD - 100 AD), Life

that's a good post phil, but you are an odd=bod to put it mildly.  you write the above which is demonstrable true and yet tomorrow you will have an issue with Abbott and you will post nearly the exact opposite.  When you arent bitching about Abbott you are a good poster but as soon as he comes into the picture your posts devolve rather rapidly.

but still a good post.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:52am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:16am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:13am: John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:06am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. you are an idiot ... you have a Ford, a piece of crap car .... you wouldn't know a great car if it ran over you sounds envious.  what is your car?  Mine is a black FPV GT 0-100 in 5.9 brilliant handling awesome sound and even now still a head-turner.  and you own a camry... the only car that should come with its own cardigan. I told you it was a piece of sh1t.... does it have a bid d1ck on the front grill? and no, i don't own a camry ... not surprising you got that wrong too well u didnt admit what you drive so kinda proves my point just the same although why you care what I drive is beyond me.

If you must know what I drive I have both a toyota Prado and a toyota Hilux .


I'm surprised to hear that you both had a point and think I cared  ;D ;D ;D ;D
I just found it hillarious that anyone who drives a glorified ford falcon can gloat about their car ......

http://images.smh.com.au/2014/09/21/5797427/LI-gal-pat-20140921194151804405-600x400.jpg

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:57am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:43am: It is undeniable that Islam is becoming more radical and some of its followers pose a risk to anyone who does not follow the teachings of the Koran.....To ignore the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam and draw parallels to other forms of terrorism is a straw man argument, of course some Muslims pose a risk to societies all over the world and to deny this is denying reality.....Islam is a misogynist religion where woman are denied equality and must conform to the will of men....Until Islam allows woman and non believers the right to equal freedom I am afraid we should not accept it is anything but an oppressive religion that does not practice tolerance and is not peaceful as many claim IMO!!! :-? :-? :-? Everyone ought to worship God according to his own inclinations, and not to be constrained by force. Flavius Josephus (37 AD - 100 AD), Life that's a good post phil, but you are an odd=bod to put it mildly.  you write the above which is demonstrable true and yet tomorrow you will have an issue with Abbott and you will post nearly the exact opposite.  When you arent bitching about Abbott you are a good poster but as soon as he comes into the picture your posts devolve rather rapidly. but still a good post.

I condemn anything I believe to be against the greater good of society and do not make excuses for any Government.....I do not post to get approval from anyone I just state my opinion.....I am not surprised that seams odd to someone who is blinded by partisan ideology!!!

::) ::) ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:59am:

Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 10:17pm: Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:18pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:10pm: Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:51pm: Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in. :D do you have any links to that?  after all, you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth or interpreting anything correctly. Child abuse royal commission to look at allegations against father of Hillsong founder Churches’ reaction to allegations against Pentecostal preacher Frank Houston and two other men to be focus of public hearing. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/child-abuse-royal-commission-to-look-at-allegations-against-father-of-hillsong-founder And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths???? Matthew 7:5 Quote: …4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. :) [quote]you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths???? Still waiting, longy..... Put up, or shut up. Retract, or apologise. :)

it is a 20yo allegation NOT against hillsong but the father of the man who founded it.  nor was it some kind of continued abuse as has occured in so many other places.  Perhaps what is so telling is that in an attempt to smear Hillsong and the Pentecostal church all they can do is bring up a single instance occurring in NZ 20 years ago by the relative of the pastor. not exactly a smoking gun. [/quote]

Which does not detract from my original statement....


Quote:

I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in.

Now....
About those lies I am supposed to come up with.

Found any proof yet?
Links??

Put up, or shut up!!

:)

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:30am: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy? Admit you lied. it has been more than substantiated ...

Incorrect. Stop telling lies.

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic"

Can you substantiate that claim?



Quote:

.. if you had proof otherwise you would have been quick to say so.

The onus is on you: you're the one who made the claim that "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic".

Still waiting for you to substantiate that claim.

John Smith wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:52am: John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:16am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:13am: John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:06am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. you are an idiot ... you have a Ford, a piece of crap car .... you wouldn't know a great car if it ran over you sounds envious.  what is your car?  Mine is a black FPV GT 0-100 in 5.9 brilliant handling awesome sound and even now still a head-turner.  and you own a camry... the only car that should come with its own cardigan. I told you it was a piece of sh1t.... does it have a bid d1ck on the front grill? and no, i don't own a camry ... not surprising you got that wrong too well u didnt admit what you drive so kinda proves my point just the same although why you care what I drive is beyond me. If you must know what I drive I have both a toyota Prado and a toyota Hilux . I'm surprised to hear that you both had a point and think I cared  ;D ;D ;D ;D I just found it hillarious that anyone who drives a glorified ford falcon can gloat about their car ......

and you drive a Hilux???  that is something to be particularly proud of???

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:57am: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:43am: It is undeniable that Islam is becoming more radical and some of its followers pose a risk to anyone who does not follow the teachings of the Koran.....To ignore the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam and draw parallels to other forms of terrorism is a straw man argument, of course some Muslims pose a risk to societies all over the world and to deny this is denying reality.....Islam is a misogynist religion where woman are denied equality and must conform to the will of men....Until Islam allows woman and non believers the right to equal freedom I am afraid we should not accept it is anything but an oppressive religion that does not practice tolerance and is not peaceful as many claim IMO!!! :-? :-? :-? Everyone ought to worship God according to his own inclinations, and not to be constrained by force. Flavius Josephus (37 AD - 100 AD), Life that's a good post phil, but you are an odd=bod to put it mildly.  you write the above which is demonstrable true and yet tomorrow you will have an issue with Abbott and you will post nearly the exact opposite.  When you arent bitching about Abbott you are a good poster but as soon as he comes into the picture your posts devolve rather rapidly. but still a good post. I condemn anything I believe to be against the greater good of society and do not make excuses for any Government.....I do not post to get approval from anyone I just state my opinion.....I am not surprised that seams odd to someone who is blinded by partisan ideology!!! ::) ::) ::)

well it was only on the weekend you were posting how the threat doesn't exist... I M just confused by your opinions as they seem to vary according to the presence of an 'Abbott influence',  But you at least are not pretending the raids were faked.  that unfortunately, sets you apart.

Lobo wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:59am: Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 10:17pm: Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:18pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:10pm: Lobo wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:51pm: Dear Longy, many blessings. Is that the same as condemning pedophilia in the churches? It took a Labor government to start a royal commission into that. You seem to love the christian religion but when did you ever condemn all the arse clowns that are in every church? you are forgiven namaste I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in. :D do you have any links to that?  after all, you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth or interpreting anything correctly. Child abuse royal commission to look at allegations against father of Hillsong founder Churches’ reaction to allegations against Pentecostal preacher Frank Houston and two other men to be focus of public hearing. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/child-abuse-royal-commission-to-look-at-allegations-against-father-of-hillsong-founder And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths???? Matthew 7:5 Quote: …4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. :) [quote]you are not exactly renowned to telling the truth And, of course, you can provide links to my untruths???? Still waiting, longy..... Put up, or shut up. Retract, or apologise. :) it is a 20yo allegation NOT against hillsong but the father of the man who founded it.  nor was it some kind of continued abuse as has occured in so many other places.  Perhaps what is so telling is that in an attempt to smear Hillsong and the Pentecostal church all they can do is bring up a single instance occurring in NZ 20 years ago by the relative of the pastor. not exactly a smoking gun.

Which does not detract from my original statement....


Quote:

I don't know about 'every church', but I did see that Hillsong is the latest to be pulled in.

Now....
About those lies I am supposed to come up with.

Found any proof yet?
Links??

Put up, or shut up!!

:)[/quote]

A) I thought it was booby who made the claim so apologies for that as everyone know booby rarely gets anything right.
B) it is still ONE accusation from 20 years ago out of one of the biggest churches in the world and a huge denomination.  Im not sure how that proves anything much at all.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:30am: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy? Admit you lied. it has been more than substantiated ... Incorrect. Stop telling lies. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Can you substantiate that claim? Quote: .. if you had proof otherwise you would have been quick to say so. The onus is on you: you're the one who made the claim that "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Still waiting for you to substantiate that claim.

well I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic so... there you go.  feel free to dispute it peccahead.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:30am: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy? Admit you lied. it has been more than substantiated ... Incorrect. Stop telling lies. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Can you substantiate that claim? Quote: .. if you had proof otherwise you would have been quick to say so. The onus is on you: you're the one who made the claim that "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Still waiting for you to substantiate that claim. well I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic so... there you go.  feel free to dispute it peccahead.

Provide your source.

(and stop telling lies)

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:30am: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy? Admit you lied. it has been more than substantiated ... Incorrect. Stop telling lies. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Can you substantiate that claim? Quote: .. if you had proof otherwise you would have been quick to say so. The onus is on you: you're the one who made the claim that "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Still waiting for you to substantiate that claim. well I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic so... there you go.  feel free to dispute it peccahead.

BULLSHIT!

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:30am: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy? Admit you lied. it has been more than substantiated ... Incorrect. Stop telling lies. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Can you substantiate that claim? Quote: .. if you had proof otherwise you would have been quick to say so. The onus is on you: you're the one who made the claim that "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Still waiting for you to substantiate that claim. well I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic so... there you go.  feel free to dispute it peccahead. Bullshit!

Of course it's bullshit.

Everybody in the world knows it's bullshit, except Longy.

Longy is a compulsive liar, and he gets worse every day.

Watch him now: after making that ridiculous claim, he will say that he doesn't have to provide any proof whatsoever.  He will try to argue that it is up to us to prove him wrong (and even when we do, he'll say that the source is incorrect - even if it's the FBI).

Longy has been coming unhinged for quite some time now, and it appears that he has finally cracked.

First, he hopes that forum members will be killed by terrorist attacks, and now he's just sprouting any sort of bullshit that comes to mind.

He's a real worry.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:58pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:30am: "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Stilll can't substantiate your claim, Longy? Admit you lied. it has been more than substantiated ... Incorrect. Stop telling lies. "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic" Can you substantiate that claim? Quote: .. if you had proof otherwise you would have been quick to say so. The onus is on you: you're the one who made the claim that "terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic". Still waiting for you to substantiate that claim. well I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic so... there you go.  feel free to dispute it peccahead. Bullshit! Of course it's bullshit. Everybody in the world knows it's bullshit, except Longy. Longy is a compulsive liar, and he gets worse every day. Watch him now: after making that ridiculous claim, he will say that he doesn't have to provide any proof whatsoever.  He will try to argue that it is up to us to prove him wrong (and even when we do, he'll say that the source is incorrect - even if it's the FBI). Longy has been coming unhinged for quite some time now, and it appears that he has finally cracked. First, he hopes that forum members will be killed by terrorist attacks, and now he's just sprouting any sort of bullshit that comes to mind. He's a real worry.

poor old peccahead.  doesn't believe there is any Islamic threat...

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:57am: philperth2010 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:43am: It is undeniable that Islam is becoming more radical and some of its followers pose a risk to anyone who does not follow the teachings of the Koran.....To ignore the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam and draw parallels to other forms of terrorism is a straw man argument, of course some Muslims pose a risk to societies all over the world and to deny this is denying reality.....Islam is a misogynist religion where woman are denied equality and must conform to the will of men....Until Islam allows woman and non believers the right to equal freedom I am afraid we should not accept it is anything but an oppressive religion that does not practice tolerance and is not peaceful as many claim IMO!!! :-? :-? :-? Everyone ought to worship God according to his own inclinations, and not to be constrained by force. Flavius Josephus (37 AD - 100 AD), Life that's a good post phil, but you are an odd=bod to put it mildly.  you write the above which is demonstrable true and yet tomorrow you will have an issue with Abbott and you will post nearly the exact opposite.  When you arent bitching about Abbott you are a good poster but as soon as he comes into the picture your posts devolve rather rapidly. but still a good post. I condemn anything I believe to be against the greater good of society and do not make excuses for any Government.....I do not post to get approval from anyone I just state my opinion.....I am not surprised that seams odd to someone who is blinded by partisan ideology!!! ::) ::) ::) well it was only on the weekend you were posting how the threat doesn't exist... I M just confused by your opinions as they seem to vary according to the presence of an 'Abbott influence',  But you at least are not pretending the raids were faked.  that unfortunately, sets you apart.

I defended moderate Muslims right to practice Islam despite the reservations I have stated above.....although I might not agree with some aspects within any religion I respect the right of individuals to practice any belief they may have.....I never commented on the raids as this is a decision made by the AFP and I respect their judgement.....Why you would prefer I stuck to left wing values rather than stated the truth as I see it alludes me.....I believe in positive Liberal values that promote the individuals right to self determination with minimal interference from Government whilst maintaining social values that enables everyone to achieve a higher self of wellbeing???

:-? :-? :-?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:52am: John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:16am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:13am: John Smith wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:06am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. you are an idiot ... you have a Ford, a piece of crap car .... you wouldn't know a great car if it ran over you sounds envious.  what is your car?  Mine is a black FPV GT 0-100 in 5.9 brilliant handling awesome sound and even now still a head-turner.  and you own a camry... the only car that should come with its own cardigan. I told you it was a piece of sh1t.... does it have a bid d1ck on the front grill? and no, i don't own a camry ... not surprising you got that wrong too well u didnt admit what you drive so kinda proves my point just the same although why you care what I drive is beyond me. If you must know what I drive I have both a toyota Prado and a toyota Hilux . I'm surprised to hear that you both had a point and think I cared  ;D ;D ;D ;D I just found it hillarious that anyone who drives a glorified ford falcon can gloat about their car ...... and you drive a Hilux???  that is something to be particularly proud of???

is there a better duel cab ute on the market? :D :D :D

besides, I wasn't the one on here telling everyone how great my car was .... that was you! ;D ;D ;D

From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek.

For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:21pm:

From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek. For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions.

100% agree

longie wants everyone to don poms poms and join his liberal party cheer squad

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Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:21pm:

From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek. For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions.

Cannot argue with that!!!

:) :) :)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 3:21pm:

From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek. For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions.

the first part is you now unfortunate habit of reading between lines and coming up with things that aren't there.

the second is very true although ironically the exact some thing you accused me of in the first sentence (putting politics above the substance of the question.

well done in shooting your own argument down in flames.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 3:21pm: From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek. For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions. the first part is you now unfortunate habit of reading between lines and coming up with things that aren't there. the second is very true although ironically the exact some thing you accused me of in the first sentence (putting politics above the substance of the question. well done in shooting your own argument down in flames.

You think?


Quote:

you all hate tony abbott.  not ONE apologist or ignorer for terrorism is a Liberal. Not one. Not all labor supporters are so ignorant, but a lot are.

You made it about politics from the very 1st post.


And this is just utterly stupid


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list the terrorist attacks that ARENT Islamic.  yes, there are a few, but not many hence the word 'virtually'.

You think Terrorism only started 14 years ago?

IRA how many muslims in that

Bader-Meinhof Gang - how many muslims in that

Red Brigade -how many muslims in that

Shining Path - how many muslims in that

Revolutionary Struggle - how many muslims in that

ETA - how many muslims in that

Tamil Tigers - how many muslims in that

KKK - how many muslims in that

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longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live.

But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches -

the same as Hillsong.

You are chasing a false God.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 4:44pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 3:21pm: From what I've read you're actually seeking praise for the current government rather than the condemnation you say you seek. For the recorded I condemn terrorism in all it's forms INCLUDING it's use to further political agendas & distractions. the first part is you now unfortunate habit of reading between lines and coming up with things that aren't there. the second is very true although ironically the exact some thing you accused me of in the first sentence (putting politics above the substance of the question. well done in shooting your own argument down in flames. You think? yes I do. Quote: you all hate tony abbott.  not ONE apologist or ignorer for terrorism is a Liberal. Not one. Not all labor supporters are so ignorant, but a lot are. You made it about politics from the very 1st post.  But you don't deny my point that not a single liberal is among the terrorism-denier crowd. And this is just utterly stupid [quote]list the terrorist attacks that ARENT Islamic.  yes, there are a few, but not many hence the word 'virtually'.

You think Terrorism only started 14 years ago?  the following list is largely FORMER terrorist groups. and I am not stating that every terrorist group is Islamic but the very real facts are that most are. or do you want to deny that?

IRA how many muslims in that

Bader-Meinhof Gang - how many muslims in that

Red Brigade -how many muslims in that

Shining Path - how many muslims in that

Revolutionary Struggle - how many muslims in that

ETA - how many muslims in that

Tamil Tigers - how many muslims in that

KKK - how many muslims in that

what... no terrorist groups from THIS century???

[/quote]

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches - the same as Hillsong. You are chasing a false God.

you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges).

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm:

poor old peccahead.  doesn't believe there is any Islamic threat...

Incorrect.  I believe there is a very real threat of terrorism from Islamic extremism.

I also believe that these two statements of yours are complete and utter bullshit:

"terrorism is in the modern world virtually entirely Islamic"  Bullshit.

"I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic"  Bullshit.

Stop telling lies, Longy.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:44pm:

what... no terrorist groups from THIS century???

Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group.

China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree?

Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience?

Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday.

Is the USA a terrorist organisation?
They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity?

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:44pm: what... no terrorist groups from THIS century??? Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group. China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree? Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience? Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday. Is the USA a terrorist organisation? They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity? http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

defining terrorism is as easy or as hard as you want it to be and largely dependent on whether or not you want a finely-focused debate or one that looks like your typical racism or sexism debate where the word has been defines so widely as to be useless.  Im fairly sure you and I share a common definition of terrorism and seeking to define it in a sentence or two will simply encourage the trolls to disagree and further debase the debate.

by the commonly understood meaning of the term, terrorism is AT PRESENT largely but not exclusively Islamic.  this is not by way of excusing any other terrorists for whom I have equal disdain but rather accepting a modern reality that that is the case. Pretending that isn't true as a few seem to do or to say Australia isn't a target because we have managed to intercept plots is quite pathetic.

there cannot be a genuine intelligent debate on terrorism on these boards because we have the following types of arguments:

there is not Islamic terrorist threat
the arrests were all a setup by Abbott
ASIO plans death camps
etc etc

It would be notice to find a place where you can have an actual debate on the actual substance of the topic without being overrun by boofheads who haven't even made it to the page of factual honesty yet.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:44pm: what... no terrorist groups from THIS century??? Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group. China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree? Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience? Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday. Is the USA a terrorist organisation? They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity? http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about.  here in Australia  - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm:

there is not Islamic terrorist threat

Nobody has ever said this.

Not in this forum, or anywhere else that I've heard.

Stop telling lies, Longy.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 6:20pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:44pm: what... no terrorist groups from THIS century??? Well again that depends on what you consider a terrorist group. China considers Tibetians terrorists, do you agree? Do you define a terrorist group as an organisation outlawed by a government, no matter the government, no matter the circumstances of restience? Don't misinterperate me, I consider the slaughter of innocents for political advantage aborhant, however innocents are slaughtered by governments everyday. Is the USA a terrorist organisation? They have killed 2400 reported(who knows the ACTUAL number) innocent Pakis in 5 years, where's your comdenation of that atrocity? http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/ defining terrorism is as easy or as hard as you want it to be and largely dependent on whether or not you want a finely-focused debate or one that looks like your typical racism or sexism debate where the word has been defines so widely as to be useless.  Im fairly sure you and I share a common definition of terrorism and seeking to define it in a sentence or two will simply encourage the trolls to disagree and further debase the debate. by the commonly understood meaning of the term, terrorism is AT PRESENT largely but not exclusively Islamic.  this is not by way of excusing any other terrorists for whom I have equal disdain but rather accepting a modern reality that that is the case. Pretending that isn't true as a few seem to do or to say Australia isn't a target because we have managed to intercept plots is quite pathetic. there cannot be a genuine intelligent debate on terrorism on these boards because we have the following types of arguments: there is not Islamic terrorist threat the arrests were all a setup by Abbott ASIO plans death camps etc etc It would be notice to find a place where you can have an actual debate on the actual substance of the topic without being overrun by boofheads who haven't even made it to the page of factual honesty yet.

Great to see you have looked up Australian law defining terrorism!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm:

terrorism is AT PRESENT largely but not exclusively Islamic.

Longy: "I looked thru all the terrorist attacks in recent years and they are all Islamic".

Apology accepted.

Jeezus, Longy is having another faux moral outrage with everybody's favourite whiney poodle, True Blue, yapping in the background.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:35pm:

that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about.  here in Australia  - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name.

Well the ONLY terrorist action upon our soil was the Hilton bombing, by Greeks NOT Islamists.

We have, as you say several people arrested for PLANNING activity, which in my book proves our current laws and police both fed and state are working adequately.

Teaspoon the idiot is busy using those 2 jihadists in Britian as an example for more extreme laws, shall we ban cars and outlaw all but plastic cutlery.


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How many terrorists murdered the British soldier in London? Two. How sophisticated was their equipment? A car and some knives. The people arrested here were planning a similar atrocity. Grow up.

How far and exactly what are you prepared to forgo?

And why suddenly is it wrong to question?

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And why suddenly is it wrong to question?

'Cause it's Tony and a Coalition government doing it.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 6:35pm: that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about.  here in Australia  - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name. Well the ONLY terrorist action upon our soil was the Hilton bombing, by Greeks NOT Islamists. We have, as you say several people arrested for PLANNING activity, which in my book proves our current laws and police both fed and state are working adequately. Teaspoon the idiot is busy using those 2 jihadists in Britian as an example for more extreme laws, shall we ban cars and outlaw all but plastic cutlery. Quote: How many terrorists murdered the British soldier in London? Two. How sophisticated was their equipment? A car and some knives. The people arrested here were planning a similar atrocity. Grow up. How far and exactly what are you prepared to forgo? And why suddenly is it wrong to question?

BULLSHIT.

Not all terrorist acts are conducted by bombings, nor are they conducted by foreigners!

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 6:35pm: that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about.  here in Australia  - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name. Well the ONLY terrorist action upon our soil was the Hilton bombing, by Greeks NOT Islamists. We have, as you say several people arrested for PLANNING activity, which in my book proves our current laws and police both fed and state are working adequately. does it?  success in policing is half luck anyhow as was the tapping of these peoples phones.  but again it would be nice to be debating actual propose laws instead of guesses, all of which are fanciful and inaccurate. Teaspoon the idiot is busy using those 2 jihadists in Britian as an example for more extreme laws, shall we ban cars and outlaw all but plastic cutlery.  that incident is precisely what the guys here were planning.  I think using that as an example is a good one.  how could it not be?  IM not promoting any specific law but likewise I am not saying no in advance of any detail either. Quote: How many terrorists murdered the British soldier in London? Two. How sophisticated was their equipment? A car and some knives. The people arrested here were planning a similar atrocity. Grow up. How far and exactly what are you prepared to forgo? And why suddenly is it wrong to question?

its never wrong to question, but at the same time the questions need to be both valid and intelligent.  that's a rare commodity on here.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches - the same as Hillsong. You are chasing a false God. you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges).

Caught red handed Longy -
you know all about the prosperity message but
you don't want to discuss it.
I understand it alright & it defines your thinking perfectly.

They never preach this in your church:


Matthew 19  KJV


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20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. [22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches - the same as Hillsong. You are chasing a false God. you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges). Caught red handed Longy - you know all about the prosperity message but you don't want to discuss it. I understand it alright & it defines your thinking perfectly. They never preach this in your church: Matthew 19  KJV Quote: 20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. [22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

and still you didn't define the prosperity teach you seem to dislike.  and as for the passage you quoted, do you realise that has nothing to do with actual money?  of course not.

try again, booby

It is also valid to understand the WHY?

Look a far as the 2nd generation idiots here, well there's really no excuse but its a well documented phenonem, look at the lebs a few years ago, lazy uneducated fools pinning their angst against anyone or thing except themselves and their poor life choices.

As for those poor souls that actually live in the region which we have either directly or indirectly(through support of 1 faction or another) totally destroyed and made lawless wouldn't you be a bit extreme if you mopped up the remains of your family.

How is bombing them further going to stop young men from turning hateful against us, the bombers?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:00pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches - the same as Hillsong. You are chasing a false God. you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges). Caught red handed Longy - you know all about the prosperity message but you don't want to discuss it. I understand it alright & it defines your thinking perfectly. They never preach this in your church: Matthew 19  KJV Quote: 20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. [22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. and still you didn't define the prosperity teach you seem to dislike.  and as for the passage you quoted, do you realise that has nothing to do with actual money?  of course not. try again, booby

Longy - you have to sell EVERYTHING - give the money to the poor
& only then will you go to heaven.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Longy - you have to sell EVERYTHING - give the money to the poor & only then will you go to heaven.

Nah!!

Mad as a meat axe i'd say!!

Should be locked up!

Rather sad really--quite liked the bloke years ago!!

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:07pm:

It is also valid to understand the WHY? Look a far as the 2nd generation idiots here, well there's really no excuse but its a well documented phenonem, look at the lebs a few years ago, lazy uneducated fools pinning their angst against anyone or thing except themselves and their poor life choices. As for those poor souls that actually live in the region which we have either directly or indirectly(through support of 1 faction or another) totally destroyed and made lawless wouldn't you be a bit extreme if you mopped up the remains of your family. How is bombing them further going to stop young men from turning hateful against us, the bombers?

the middle east has been a warring rat-hole for millennia.  nothing ever changes excepts the names and the borders.  nothing we do or dont do will change that.  Is bombing going th fix the long term? nope.  but it will save tens of thousands of lives right now and that's a good enough reason. as for tomorrow? who knows. 

or do you suggest we just turn our eyes away from genocide and ignore it?  there may not be anyway ti 'win' in the M/E but that is a way to lose our own self-respect and our morality.  Even if it is ultimately in vain, doing good is what we are all supposed to do.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:00pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 5:14pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:58am: Longweekend believes in the prosperity message: God will get him a new car while he leaves millions of starving kids in Africa lying in the dirt covered in flies. look booby, if you are going to go on the attack at least get your message slightly accurate otherwise you look like a m*oron.  do you want to compare how many African kids you support or how many charities you support or how much money you give to support the poor?  want to talk about how much time you spend helping the poor? yes, I have a great car.  I worked for it and your jealousy is funny if a little sad. now at least try and aim your attacks at the destination where I live. But you do believe in the prosperity message of the latest modern churches - the same as Hillsong. You are chasing a false God. you couldn't even define the prosperity message as ACTUALLY taught by churches (as opposed to a few nutbag loons around the edges). Caught red handed Longy - you know all about the prosperity message but you don't want to discuss it. I understand it alright & it defines your thinking perfectly. They never preach this in your church: Matthew 19  KJV Quote: 20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. [22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. and still you didn't define the prosperity teach you seem to dislike.  and as for the passage you quoted, do you realise that has nothing to do with actual money?  of course not. try again, booby Longy - you have to sell EVERYTHING - give the money to the poor & only then will you go to heaven.

like I said before, you have NO IDEA what that passage is referring to.  it isn't talking about money.

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like I said before, you have NO IDEA what that passage is referring to.  it isn't talking about money.

Dear Longy,
So you can change the meaning of clear words for your own benefit?

forgiven according to the DP

namaste

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 6:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 6:35pm: that's the kind of sideshow argument I am talking about.  here in Australia  - which is what we are talking about - the terrorist threat is well defined and well known. If we stick to the boundaries of the actual problem instead of endless deflections we MIGHT even get a debate worthy of the name. Well the ONLY terrorist action upon our soil was the Hilton bombing, by Greeks NOT Islamists. We have, as you say several people arrested for PLANNING activity, which in my book proves our current laws and police both fed and state are working adequately. does it?  success in policing is half luck anyhow as was the tapping of these peoples phones.  but again it would be nice to be debating actual propose laws instead of guesses, all of which are fanciful and inaccurate. Teaspoon the idiot is busy using those 2 jihadists in Britian as an example for more extreme laws, shall we ban cars and outlaw all but plastic cutlery.  that incident is precisely what the guys here were planning.  I think using that as an example is a good one.  how could it not be?  IM not promoting any specific law but likewise I am not saying no in advance of any detail either. Quote: How many terrorists murdered the British soldier in London? Two. How sophisticated was their equipment? A car and some knives. The people arrested here were planning a similar atrocity. Grow up. How far and exactly what are you prepared to forgo? And why suddenly is it wrong to question? its never wrong to question, but at the same time the questions need to be both valid and intelligent.  that's a rare commodity on here.

who made you the arbiter of what is valid or intelligent?  :D :D :D :D

We all know that unless the question is designed to make Abbott look good, you consider it neither valid nor intelligent

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:07pm: It is also valid to understand the WHY? Look a far as the 2nd generation idiots here, well there's really no excuse but its a well documented phenonem, look at the lebs a few years ago, lazy uneducated fools pinning their angst against anyone or thing except themselves and their poor life choices. As for those poor souls that actually live in the region which we have either directly or indirectly(through support of 1 faction or another) totally destroyed and made lawless wouldn't you be a bit extreme if you mopped up the remains of your family. How is bombing them further going to stop young men from turning hateful against us, the bombers? the middle east has been a warring rat-hole for millennia.  nothing ever changes excepts the names and the borders.  nothing we do or dont do will change that.  Is bombing going th fix the long term? nope.  but it will save tens of thousands of lives right now and that's a good enough reason. as for tomorrow? who knows.  or do you suggest we just turn our eyes away from genocide and ignore it?  there may not be anyway ti 'win' in the M/E but that is a way to lose our own self-respect and our morality.  Even if it is ultimately in vain, doing good is what we are all supposed to do.

And thats fine if was actually as moral as you say, but its not & you know it.

We turn our heads at atrocities every single day, yet what has the ME got that every other problem spot does not.

Either we fight for right everywhere or we are open to these accusations of resource lead action, which is hardly moral.

BTW I've said for years to pull the camera's and reporters out and let them sort it out, it works for us in North Korea.