Australia has had the benefit of be able to put on the 'rose coloured glasses' anytime we feel like it.

Wars go on overseas, sometimes we are involved sometimes we aren't but it is always 'over there'.

There is a time bomb ticking in Australia and it's due to go off any old time. The ISIS Jihadists have called on their followers world wide to attack the West 'where they live'.

Does anyone here think, yes everywhere except here, after all this is OZ.

The wake up call will come as a shock, when the first zealot has the gonads to step over the line and carry out ISIS orders on our soil.

This will be a hair trigger effect, which will encourage more of the (usually) young to prepare to 'die for the cause'.

Australia will morph into the 'frightened society' and the innocence, that is the hallmark of this Country, will disappear in a flash, never to return.

Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose.

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose.

well the lefties will probably be sitting on their stoops.. waving their white flags... shortarse will order them from CHina...along with the we love everything ISIS T/shirts..

the greens will probably be ironing their ISIS flags...along with the  burning of any literature that has the word terrorist in it... they will probably also carry sign telling the ISIS where the Jews are hiding..

me I will definitely go down fighting...

Hey Cods do you think Karnal would allow us to share his dugout? Personally I want someone who can shoot the top off a bottle at one mile and all without a wind sock.. I think Karnal, most probably still has the skill set.

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose. well the lefties will probably be sitting on their stoops.. waving their white flags... shortarse will order them from CHina...along with the we love everything ISIS T/shirts.. the greens will probably be ironing their ISIS flags...along with the  burning of any literature that has the word terrorist in it... they will probably also carry sign telling the ISIS where the Jews are hiding.. me I will definitely go down fighting...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FnmUR1t-mZc/0.jpg

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:16pm:

Hey Cods do you think Karnal would allow us to share his dugout? Personally I want someone who can shoot the top off a bottle at one mile and all without a wind sock.. I think Karnal, most probably still has the skill set.

definitely not him thanks.. he will run for the hills.....so forget him..

no dugouts for me either... eyeball to eyeball..

some persons only skill is the speed they can run away from anything remotely to do with fighting.

they have a big raspberry for god and country..

dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum..

must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone..

so noice..... :o

personally if they were my rellies I would hide them.

but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D


trust me, after reading your rants, its better for you that everyone thinks you are a drunk ... the alternative is much much worse. :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D trust me, after reading your rants, its better for you that everyone thinks you are a drunk ... the alternative is much much worse. :D :D :D

LIAR LIAR JOHNS ON FIRE>. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:32pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D trust me, after reading your rants, its better for you that everyone thinks you are a drunk ... the alternative is much much worse. :D :D :D LIAR LIAR JOHNS ON FIRE>. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

wow, I bet that took you ages to think off  :D :D

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

Australia has had the benefit of be able to put on the 'rose coloured glasses' anytime we feel like it. Wars go on overseas, sometimes we are involved sometimes we aren't but it is always 'over there'. There is a time bomb ticking in Australia and it's due to go off any old time. The ISIS Jihadists have called on their followers world wide to attack the West 'where they live'. Does anyone here think, yes everywhere except here, after all this is OZ. The wake up call will come as a shock, when the first zealot has the gonads to step over the line and carry out ISIS orders on our soil. This will be a hair trigger effect, which will encourage more of the (usually) young to prepare to 'die for the cause'. Australia will morph into the 'frightened society' and the innocence, that is the hallmark of this Country, will disappear in a flash, never to return. Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose.

They said the same thing about the French once. And the Dutch. Then the Russians, then the Krauts.

Then the Krauts again, then the Japs, then the Russians again as well. The Chinks got a good look-in, and the Indonesians have always been up there, somewhere - after the Dutch, of course.

Whenever we've been short of someone, we found the boongs. When we ran out of boongs, we discovered the leftards. Thank heavens for small mercies, eh?

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

wow, I bet that took you ages to think off

probably  14 secs.. but it wasnt a THINK OFF>

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:11pm: red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose. well the lefties will probably be sitting on their stoops.. waving their white flags... shortarse will order them from CHina...along with the we love everything ISIS T/shirts.. the greens will probably be ironing their ISIS flags...along with the  burning of any literature that has the word terrorist in it... they will probably also carry sign telling the ISIS where the Jews are hiding.. me I will definitely go down fighting... http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FnmUR1t-mZc/0.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FnmUR1t-mZc/0.jpg


Yep I think you have nailed it!

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D

Not after getting stuck in the foxhole with me.

Poor thing. She's never been the same.

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:32pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D Not after getting stuck in the foxhole with me. Poor thing. She's never been the same.

teach her a thing or two did you Karnal  ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:57pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:32pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D Not after getting stuck in the foxhole with me. Poor thing. She's never been the same. teach her a thing or two did you Karnal  ;D ;D ;D

You know that stuttery way she talks... as if she's on one of those ventilators... and intermittently SHRIEKS?????????????? And moans.................

I gave her that.

Good topic Red Baron, perhaps the posters could stop trying to slag off the other side of their politics and comment on the subject.

I am sure there are as many lefties that support some action on ISIS as rightards.

They may doubt Abbotts enthusiasm and motives though!

Hi Karnal, if I have my history right,when Ming Menzies was P.M. when WW2 was on and before Curtin took over; Ming Menzies wanted  us to retreat to the 'Brisbane line' where we would turn it on for the Japs.

Fortunately Pig Iron Bob was dumped as P.M. and the great John Curtin took over.

Turning to the present, I would my probably be in line for a throat trim, I'm afraid it's a bit late in the innings to swear ever loving allegiance to Allah

Incidentally, reading through all your history lesson, do you think that there is a threat or is just as make  believe as the Japs pretending to invade us by dropping more bombs on Darwin than Pearl Harbour?

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:32pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D Not after getting stuck in the foxhole with me. Poor thing. She's never been the same.

fox holes are for patriots kamel  people who will fight to the death so their  children can live in freedom...

you have already demonstrated you dont believe in that spirit.... of fighting for ones country...not enough in to make it worth your while I believe >:(

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:58pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:57pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:32pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D Not after getting stuck in the foxhole with me. Poor thing. She's never been the same. teach her a thing or two did you Karnal  ;D ;D ;D You know that stuttery way she talks... as if she's on one of those ventilators... and intermittently SHRIEKS?????????????? And moans................. I gave her that.

ooooo giggle giggle :D :D...more kamel pats kamel.. smelling up the thread still I see...

oooooo I bet you feel really worn out after that... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Remember when the Jihadist gangs are on the street, Karnal is out there, doing the 'ghost walk' somewhere behind enemy lines..be afraid...be very afraid. Thank heavens he's on our side!

Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded.

While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade.  ::)

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

Hi Karnal, if I have my history right,when Ming Menzies was P.M. when WW2 was on and before Curtin took over; Ming Menzies wanted  us to retreat to the 'Brisbane line' where we would turn it on for the Japs. Fortunately Pig Iron Bob was dumped as P.M. and the great John Curtin took over. Turning to the present, I would my probably be in line for a throat trim, I'm afraid it's a bit late in the innings to swear ever loving allegiance to Allah Incidentally, reading through all your history lesson, do you think that there is a threat or is just as make  believe as the Japs pretending to invade us by dropping more bombs on Darwin than Pearl Harbour?

Sorry, Red, are you saying Syria and/or Iraq are getting ready to bomb Darwin?

If that's in your crystal ball, I agree. It's a threat.

Jasin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded. While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade.  ::)

Red's got a crystal ball. He warned us about JuLiar too. If I remember rightly, she was going to be in jail by now.

Red's a bit hit and miss with his predictions. Still, it might help to learn Iraqi just in case.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Jasin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded. While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade.  ::)

The country has already been invaded, just in a "politically correct" way.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:37pm: Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded. While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade.  ::) The country has already been invaded, just in a "politically correct" way.

Exactly. It's now politically correct to blame Islam for everything. If you don't, you're that heinous breed of wishy-washy softcock known as a "spineless apologist".

We all blame Islam here.

Little wonder that the majority of Australians suffering from Mental Illness are the 'warmongering' types.  ::)

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Remember when the Jihadist gangs are on the street, Karnal is out there, doing the 'ghost walk' somewhere behind enemy lines..be afraid...be very afraid. Thank heavens he's on our side!

Exactly. All those terrorist groups in our suburbs - Al Qaida, the Taliban, Hamas, al Nusra, ISIL, etc, etc, etc. You don't hear a peep out of them, right?

Ever wonder why?

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:52pm: Jasin wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:37pm: Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded. While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade.  ::) The country has already been invaded, just in a "politically correct" way. Exactly. It's now politically correct to blame Islam for everything. If you don't, you're that heinous breed of wishy-washy softcock known as a "spineless apologist". We all blame Islam here.

Extremism isn't a concept devoted to, or affiliated with Islam. This is what people forget... tunnel vision mentalities, separatist mentalities, where the need for war is determined by religion or race.

Another thing that is forgotten is that we all descend from one source, Islamic people weren't always as they are now, as I wasn't always a part of a "Western Christian civilisation".

If these people hating on the entirety of Islamic faith lived next door to an Islamic family, I can guarantee you that they wouldn't even have the cuts to confront them. Most of this is big tough keyboard warrior talk, a forum provides an outlet for wannabe warmongers.

Chickenhawks -- people who never signed up to fight a war, but support it behind the safety of their homes, computers, etc.

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:31pm: Remember when the Jihadist gangs are on the street, Karnal is out there, doing the 'ghost walk' somewhere behind enemy lines..be afraid...be very afraid. Thank heavens he's on our side! Exactly. All those terrorist groups in our suburbs - Al Qaida, the Taliban, Hamas, al Nusra, ISIL, etc, etc, etc. You don't hear a peep out of them, right? Ever wonder why?

No

because right now they are all in Syria doing their bit for ISIS....or dont you read the papers..

what do you think will happen when they have done their deeds over there.??

.. and lets for an instance believe they WIN....do you think our men in Syria will want to return here?????...

what do you think? should they be allowed to come back and move into a house nextdoor to you and your family???....do you think we should treat them as bad guys or good guys????

maybe even pretend what going on over there didnt really happen at all...all American propaganda  ::)

It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf.

I used to hate refugees. I would run them down, make snide comments about Indians, call them worthless spongers, they should all be shot, etc based on the concerns of the economy, job losses, etc. I was all for "white power" "patriotism" "proud to be Aussie" and had that disgusting mentality.

But then I thought about it, after a time; if I lived in a war-torn or third world country, and if I had a way out, would I take it? The answer is yes, which is what most of us would say.

I am now of the belief that the human life, no matter where it comes from or what its faith is, is much more important than the petty, selfish, ridiculous economy, which is orchestrated by greedy scumbags who don't give two cr.aps about human life, or even each other.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:03pm: Freedumb wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:52pm: Jasin wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:37pm: Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded. While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade.  ::) The country has already been invaded, just in a "politically correct" way. Exactly. It's now politically correct to blame Islam for everything. If you don't, you're that heinous breed of wishy-washy softcock known as a "spineless apologist". We all blame Islam here. Extremism isn't a concept devoted to, or affiliated with Islam. This is what people forget... tunnel vision mentalities, separatist mentalities, where the need for war is determined by religion or race. Another thing that is forgotten is that we all descend from one source, Islamic people weren't always as they are now, as I wasn't always a part of a "Western Christian civilisation". If these people hating on the entirety of Islamic faith lived next door to an Islamic family, I can guarantee you that they wouldn't even have the cuts to confront them. Most of this is big tough keyboard warrior talk, a forum provides an outlet for wannabe warmongers. Chickenhawks -- people who never signed up to fight a war, but support it behind the safety of their homes, computers, etc.

where do these chickhawks you mention LIVE....

I did watch 4 corners on e night and it was very disturbing.. young Syrian men living in terror from ISIS because they dish out the same punishment to them as the infidels for not joining their mission...

this man told the camera [with face covered of course] that most did not want to join and kill...but fear made them.. his eyes were haunted...

no these people are not keyboard warriors not at all...

we dont live in fear here.. we have no idea what that is like.

warmongers an old fashioned word....

not really we do what needs to be done... not because we want too because we have too...

if you think these people will never come to us.........


well I for one hope you are right.

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf.

we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen..

unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth..

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf.

Not really!

It is usually called a politician that thinks its in their political interest!

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

... wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:25pm: It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf. we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen.. unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth..

Perhaps.

Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded?

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:33pm: ... wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:25pm: It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf. we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen.. unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth.. Yep. Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded?

oh so wait till it is US you mean.. I get it...

the fact they were just everyday citizens with no guns or uniforms......doesnt do it for you.

I think I have met people like you in my lifetime... I do my best to forget I did  though

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:57pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:32pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:23pm: dont you love the  and family pics some lefite keeps putting up on the forum.. must be so proud of their family they want to share them with everyone.. so noice..... :o personally if they were my rellies I would hide them. but to each his own. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D don't be shy Cods, you can own up to the photo ... of course, that was taken on your 21st birthday so you don't look quite so spry anymore  ;D ;D ;D Not after getting stuck in the foxhole with me. Poor thing. She's never been the same. fox holes are for patriots kamel  people who will fight to the death so their  children can live in freedom... you have already demonstrated you dont believe in that spirit.... of fighting for ones country...not enough in to make it worth your while I believe >:(

I know, dear. I'm a lover, not a fighter.

If it's rocking... don't bother knocking...

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

... wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:38pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:33pm: ... wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:25pm: It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf. we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen.. unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth.. Yep. Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded? oh so wait till it is US you mean.. I get it... the fact they were just everyday citizens with no guns or uniforms......doesnt do it for you. I think I have met people like you in my lifetime... I do my best to forget I did  though

No.  No, you really don't.

... wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:41pm: ... wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:38pm: cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:33pm: ... wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:25pm: It takes a very brave person to commit other people to fight on their behalf. we have an army and a navy... no one is conscripted anymore....and they join to protect their country and their countrymen.. unless you prefer everyone is armed to the teeth.. Yep. Remind me how many aussies have been beheaded? oh so wait till it is US you mean.. I get it... the fact they were just everyday citizens with no guns or uniforms......doesnt do it for you. I think I have met people like you in my lifetime... I do my best to forget I did  though No.  No, you really don't.

I don't think Cods likes you, Honky. What on earth did you say?

cods wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:23pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:03pm: Freedumb wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:52pm: Jasin wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:37pm: Isn't it amazing how one people can act in fear because their lands are being invaded. While Australians act in fear about the 'possibility' that someone overseas 'might' invade.  ::) The country has already been invaded, just in a "politically correct" way. Exactly. It's now politically correct to blame Islam for everything. If you don't, you're that heinous breed of wishy-washy softcock known as a "spineless apologist". We all blame Islam here. Extremism isn't a concept devoted to, or affiliated with Islam. This is what people forget... tunnel vision mentalities, separatist mentalities, where the need for war is determined by religion or race. Another thing that is forgotten is that we all descend from one source, Islamic people weren't always as they are now, as I wasn't always a part of a "Western Christian civilisation". If these people hating on the entirety of Islamic faith lived next door to an Islamic family, I can guarantee you that they wouldn't even have the cuts to confront them. Most of this is big tough keyboard warrior talk, a forum provides an outlet for wannabe warmongers. Chickenhawks -- people who never signed up to fight a war, but support it behind the safety of their homes, computers, etc. where do these chickhawks you mention LIVE.... I did watch 4 corners on e night and it was very disturbing.. young Syrian men living in terror from ISIS because they dish out the same punishment to them as the infidels for not joining their mission... this man told the camera [with face covered of course] that most did not want to join and kill...but fear made them.. his eyes were haunted... no these people are not keyboard warriors not at all... we dont live in fear here.. we have no idea what that is like. warmongers an old fashioned word.... not really we do what needs to be done... not because we want too because we have too... if you think these people will never come to us......... well I for one hope you are right.

I'm talking about people on this forum and other forums like this, spreading anti-Islam all over the place when the problem isn't the religion itself, it is the demented minds of the people who formed ISIS.
I am also talking about politicians who send people to war, and media representatives who sit there and support war when they would never send themselves or their children to war. Chickenhawks.

If you have to defend yourself, you have no choice. But that is a whole different ball game to getting involved in a war, thus attracting attention to the country putting everybody inside the country at risk.

The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad.

As I have posted earlier, there are 500,000 Moslems in Australia, most of them peace loving people getting on with it.

However it would be extremely naive at the least to think that there is not at least a small percentage who hate us with a vengeance and are ready and willing to commit to the Jihad.

Therein lies the conundrum

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad. As I have posted earlier, there are 500,000 Moslems in Australia, most of them peace loving people getting on with it. However it would be extremely naive at the least to think that there is not at least a small percentage who hate us with a vengeance and are ready and willing to commit to the Jihad. Therein lies the conundrum

If the small percentage that hated us really hated us, why would they move here?
Other than to take over, which is what ISIS want?
Having said that, you have a point. But we shouldn't punish all Islamic people for this percentage.
It's like punishing all Christians for being pedophiles.

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:39pm: The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad. As I have posted earlier, there are 500,000 Moslems in Australia, most of them peace loving people getting on with it. However it would be extremely naive at the least to think that there is not at least a small percentage who hate us with a vengeance and are ready and willing to commit to the Jihad. Therein lies the conundrum If the small percentage that hated us really hated us, why would they move here? Other than to take over, which is what ISIS want? Having said that, you have a point. But we shouldn't punish all Islamic people for this percentage. It's like punishing all Christians for being pedophiles. "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief

What a quote.

Freedumb, you’re proving to be one of the most interesting and insightful posters here. I particularly liked your post in Spirituality about how you got sucked into the game of petty tit for tat that is this site.

Not only do you have the ability to pierce the veils of ignorance in others, you have the rare willingness to expose the violence within yourself.

You’ve got it.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

I used to hate refugees. I would run them down, make snide comments about Indians, call them worthless spongers, they should all be shot, etc based on the concerns of the economy, job losses, etc. I was all for "white power" "patriotism" "proud to be Aussie" and had that disgusting mentality. But then I thought about it, after a time; if I lived in a war-torn or third world country, and if I had a way out, would I take it? The answer is yes, which is what most of us would say. I am now of the belief that the human life, no matter where it comes from or what its faith is, is much more important than the petty, selfish, ridiculous economy, which is orchestrated by greedy scumbags who don't give two cr.aps about human life, or even each other.

good on you for admitting it and for finally letting common sense prevail.... EVERY SINGLE ONE of these anti asylum seeker mor ons on this forum would do exactly the same thing if roles were reversed ....

I doubt one of them would do things differently

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad.

extremists have been calling for Muslems to rise up against non believers for decades ... nothing new, why are you suddenly scared?

Its Abbotts intention to scare everyone into thinking we need to go to war, why? because historically, govt's at war rarely lose an election .. it's a numbers game and Abbott has already proven he doesn't care the cost, as long as he gets the office

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:46pm: red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:39pm: The reason I started this thread is that ISIS is urging Moslems across the world to rise up against their host nations...It is the way of the Jihad. As I have posted earlier, there are 500,000 Moslems in Australia, most of them peace loving people getting on with it. However it would be extremely naive at the least to think that there is not at least a small percentage who hate us with a vengeance and are ready and willing to commit to the Jihad. Therein lies the conundrum If the small percentage that hated us really hated us, why would they move here? Other than to take over, which is what ISIS want? Having said that, you have a point. But we shouldn't punish all Islamic people for this percentage. It's like punishing all Christians for being pedophiles. "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief What a quote. Freedumb, you’re proving to be one of the most interesting and insightful posters here. I particularly liked your post in Spirituality about how you got sucked into the game of petty tit for tat that is this site. Not only do you have the ability to pierce the veils of ignorance in others, you have the rare willingness to expose the violence within yourself. You’ve got it.

You can't preach something without looking at your own flaws first. This is important, but one common thing with ignorance is that people don't even acknowledge their flaws or even believe they exist, which brings us to the consciousness of today's people. Everyone is driven by their egos and adopt belief systems that helps them put a veil over their own flaws, much like the priest of a catholic church who molests children.
I wouldn't say I've "got it" completely, but I think I'm on the right track at the very least. I know some people here disagree with that because they think I'm insane for some of my beliefs, but they have no concept of why and don't even want to know why, "credible facts and evidence" is their religion, which is fair enough but that line of thinking is dangerously close to ignorance, but history continues to repeat itself and nobody ever seems to learn from it.

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:26pm: I used to hate refugees. I would run them down, make snide comments about Indians, call them worthless spongers, they should all be shot, etc based on the concerns of the economy, job losses, etc. I was all for "white power" "patriotism" "proud to be Aussie" and had that disgusting mentality. But then I thought about it, after a time; if I lived in a war-torn or third world country, and if I had a way out, would I take it? The answer is yes, which is what most of us would say. I am now of the belief that the human life, no matter where it comes from or what its faith is, is much more important than the petty, selfish, ridiculous economy, which is orchestrated by greedy scumbags who don't give two cr.aps about human life, or even each other. good on you for admitting it and for finally letting common sense prevail.... EVERY SINGLE ONE of these anti asylum seeker mor ons on this forum would do exactly the same thing if roles were reversed .... I doubt one of them would do things differently

It's ignorance, selfishness and lack of understanding.
It is for this reason alone that the fate of all the countries in the world are in the hands of bankers, corporations and leaders who have silver spoons jammed up their backsides.

::) C'mon guys.
She isn't that smart.
She still misspells her name 'Freedom' wrong.

Jasin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

::) C'mon guys. She isn't that smart. She still misspells her name 'Freedom' wrong.

I spell dumbocracy wrong as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv5rQXZR6Og

Interesting clip of what the ISIS leader says to the USA, back in 2009.

Jasin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

::) C'mon guys. She isn't that smart. She still misspells her name 'Freedom' wrong.

We all spell Freeedom wrong.

I’m curious. Does anyone get it right?

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv5rQXZR6Og Interesting clip of what the ISIS leader says to the USA, back in 2009.

Back in 2009, ISIL were the good guys.

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:11pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv5rQXZR6Og Interesting clip of what the ISIS leader says to the USA, back in 2009. Back in 2009, ISIL were the good guys.

They still are for Abbott ...

imagine what he'd face if he had to actually deal with his budget?

It was announced on Channel 9 News last night, that our Security Levels are to be reviewed. It is anticipate that the level will be upgraded from medium to high.

The Security Organisations state that they are extremely concerned about Moslem fighters returning from the Middle East after taking part in the fighting.

A high security level in Australia is regarded that attacks are likely.

World news


Australian security and counter-terrorism





Asio 'actively considering' raising Australia's terror threat level to high


Asio chief David Irvine says risks posed by homegrown militants have increased his concern about domestic national secucurity


Katharine Murphy, deputy political editor

 
theguardian.com, Tuesday 9 September 2014 19.48 AEST      

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David Irvine
David Irvine said the domestic terror threat had been building in Australia ‘certainly over the last year or so’. Photograph: AAP Image/Lukas Coch


Australia’s top spy has signalled he is “actively considering” lifting Australia’s current terror alert level due to increased concerns about domestic national security risks posed by homegrown militants.

David Irvine told the ABC on Tuesday night that the current terror warning sat at a “very elevated level of medium” but the Australian Security and Intelligence Organisation (Asio) was considering lifting it above that level.

“I would say that at the moment it is at a very elevated level of medium and I’m certainly contemplating very seriously the notion of lifting it higher because of the numbers of people that we are now having to be concerned about in Australia, because of the influence of Syria and Iraq on young Australians – both in terms of going to those places to fight, but also in terms of what they are doing here in Australia, with a potential intent to attack,” the Asio chief said Tuesday night.

Asked whether the threat level would be changed in the coming days, ahead of his planned retirement at the end of this week, Irvine said: “It’s something that we in Asio are actively considering.”

Irvine said the domestic threat had been building in Australia, “certainly over the last year or so”. He said recent events in the Middle East had made him more concerned about domestic national security threats. Irvine noted that Australia had been “lucky” to avoid a terrorist incident on our soil.

The British government recently adjusted its terrorism threat level from “substantial” to “severe” in recognition of the risks posed by radicalised individuals and returning fighters from the sectarian conflicts in Syria and Iraq.

At the time of the UK adjustment, the Abbott government said it remained in close contact with overseas allies about the terrorism threat. The attorney general George Brandis said the Australian designation of “medium” indicated that a domestic terror attack could occur.

“This level is under constant review by the Australian government and is based on advice from security and intelligence agencies,” Brandis said on 30 August. “Australia’s threat level would be increased to ‘high’ if it were deemed that a terrorist attack is likely to occur.”

In an interview Tuesday night on the ABC’s 7.30, Irvine declined to say precisely how many Australians had returned home from overseas conflicts. He indicated only the number was “more than 20”.

The Asio chief continued to play down the risks that Australia’s likely military involvement in Iraq would increase the risk of a terrorism incident at home.

Irvine noted that this was “a popular line that you hear” but he argued Australia was already a terror target.

The government has been telegraphing for some time its intention to bring forward legislation that will make it easier to prosecute foreign fighters participating in overseas conflicts. That legislation has not yet been produced. It is expected to be introduced to parliament when it sits later this month, in the week beginning 22 September.

Freedum - are you joking? Why would they be here? What other Country in the world invites you in, gives you a pension and health benefits then encourages you to keep breeding like rabbits so that the benefit cheque is very healthy indeed.

No other Country would let you sit on your arse with your hands out and gather it in ,like us suckers.

PS A life story. I had occasion to help a sick friend to go to the Bankstown Social Services Dept. after a workplace injury. I couldn't believe the line of our Moslem friends, it went through the building and out the door, waiting for their handouts. Bloody hell!!!!

Did you know that 80% of them are still unemployed after being here for 5 years (Source Bureau of Statistics)

Why indeed!

red baron wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Freedum - are you joking? Why would they be here? What other Country in the world invites you in, gives you a pension and health benefits then encourages you to keep breeding like rabbits so that the benefit cheque is very healthy indeed. No other Country would let you sit on your arse with your hands out and gather it in ,like us suckers. PS A life story. I had occasion to help a sick friend to go to the Bankstown Social Services Dept. after a workplace injury. I couldn't believe the line of our Moslem friends, it went through the building and out the door, waiting for their handouts. Bloody hell!!!! Did you know that 80% of them are still unemployed after being here for 5 years (Source Bureau of Statistics) Why indeed!

Do you want to provide your source, Red? I just tried to Google ABS data on Muslim unemployment rates and came up with nothing.

It's strange. I went past Katoomba Centrelink the other day and they were all white Aussies. Newtown Centrelink's full of middle class kids with skateboards. Hurstville Centrelink's full of Chows.

Which 80% is true?

A quick squiz at your ABS data should sort this out, Red - thanks.

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

Australia has had the benefit of be able to put on the 'rose coloured glasses' anytime we feel like it. Wars go on overseas, sometimes we are involved sometimes we aren't but it is always 'over there'. There is a time bomb ticking in Australia and it's due to go off any old time. The ISIS Jihadists have called on their followers world wide to attack the West 'where they live'. Does anyone here think, yes everywhere except here, after all this is OZ. The wake up call will come as a shock, when the first zealot has the gonads to step over the line and carry out ISIS orders on our soil. This will be a hair trigger effect, which will encourage more of the (usually) young to prepare to 'die for the cause'. Australia will morph into the 'frightened society' and the innocence, that is the hallmark of this Country, will disappear in a flash, never to return. Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose.

One thing you can be sure of, when that first bomb goes off the forum luvvies will discover a fascination with the road toll and shark victims.  Cos when that bomb goes off the dills ain't gonna blame the culprits, instead they will ( and you know this is true sandalistas) take the death toll and compare it to the toad toll (or shark attacks if the  body count isn't that good 8-)) and build the case there is nothing to worry about, the road toll is worse, then sneeringly inquire what are you so afraid of, cos in their own imaginations they are fearless superheroes fighting to the last of someone else's blood for freedom for terrorists and their right to proudly wave the black flag of jihad. 

red baron wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Freedum - are you joking? Why would they be here? What other Country in the world invites you in, gives you a pension and health benefits then encourages you to keep breeding like rabbits so that the benefit cheque is very healthy indeed. No other Country would let you sit on your arse with your hands out and gather it in ,like us suckers. PS A life story. I had occasion to help a sick friend to go to the Bankstown Social Services Dept. after a workplace injury. I couldn't believe the line of our Moslem friends, it went through the building and out the door, waiting for their handouts. Bloody hell!!!! Did you know that 80% of them are still unemployed after being here for 5 years (Source Bureau of Statistics) Why indeed!

Unemployment doesn't automatically mean that all people are spongers abusing the right for entitlements. I go for a walk down the street and see many people from foreign countries who are working, from all races.
A majority of the problem is the fact that there isn't enough jobs for everybody, especially when they are continuously cut. You'll find that people do want to work -- yeah, there are a lot of spongers. Many of the spongers I know are in fact white people, who spend their Centrelink benefits on speed and wonder why they have no food/coffee/cigarettes two days after pay day but this is a different issue.

How can you expect everybody to have a job when all the corporations are tightening up and sacking people? I saw a glimpse on TV that Coles cut many jobs in Melbourne, yet they can afford to advertise their products on TV and pay some big name celebrity chef to promote it? Doesn't add up to me.

A lot of the time it's because of the government that jobs are lost, yet they're going to make a stand and tighten up on Centrelink as well? If you're going to be responsible for job losses, you can damn well support the people who have lost jobs in my opinion. And no amount of government paid schooling will get you a job if the job isn't there to begin with. This country is going to be a third world country the rate this is going.

Datalife wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Australia has had the benefit of be able to put on the 'rose coloured glasses' anytime we feel like it. Wars go on overseas, sometimes we are involved sometimes we aren't but it is always 'over there'. There is a time bomb ticking in Australia and it's due to go off any old time. The ISIS Jihadists have called on their followers world wide to attack the West 'where they live'. Does anyone here think, yes everywhere except here, after all this is OZ. The wake up call will come as a shock, when the first zealot has the gonads to step over the line and carry out ISIS orders on our soil. This will be a hair trigger effect, which will encourage more of the (usually) young to prepare to 'die for the cause'. Australia will morph into the 'frightened society' and the innocence, that is the hallmark of this Country, will disappear in a flash, never to return. Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose. One thing you can be sure of, when that first bomb goes off the forum luvvies will discover a fascination with the road toll and shark victims.  Cos when that bomb goes off the dills ain't gonna blame the culprits, instead they will...

The first bomb? That's strange. There's already been a first bomb, and it keeps being excused as somehow irrelevant.

And not only the first bomb - the first mass murder, the first shooting rampage, the first arson, the first random shooting spree, the first head-hacking, the first axe-murder, and every subsequent act of terrorism and carnage committed since.

Some would rather return to the subject of Islam, can you believe it?

Nothing to see here, leftards. We blame Islam. Always, absolutely, never ever.

I think unemployment benefits for these country shoppers should be for maximum of  six months then nothing.

Let the mosque support them if they cant get a job or alternately they can have a free flight back to their homeland

If they stay they should only qualify again after paying average fte tax for say five years.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:24am: Freedum - are you joking? Why would they be here? What other Country in the world invites you in, gives you a pension and health benefits then encourages you to keep breeding like rabbits so that the benefit cheque is very healthy indeed. No other Country would let you sit on your arse with your hands out and gather it in ,like us suckers. PS A life story. I had occasion to help a sick friend to go to the Bankstown Social Services Dept. after a workplace injury. I couldn't believe the line of our Moslem friends, it went through the building and out the door, waiting for their handouts. Bloody hell!!!! Did you know that 80% of them are still unemployed after being here for 5 years (Source Bureau of Statistics) Why indeed! Unemployment doesn't automatically mean that all people are spongers abusing the right for entitlements. I go for a walk down the street and see many people from foreign countries who are working, from all races.

Yes, Freedumb, but I think you'll find that they're in the 20%.

We'll know for sure when Red publishes the data.

What data, I make it up Karnal, you want 1%.....O.K. 1%, happy now?  Even if it was as low as 1% it could still represent a Clear and Present Danger to our society.

Think it might be over 1% though, I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis.

Of course us being the dumb arsed public,  we will never know just how many of the towel heads are under the microscope. Just as well too, the truth would most probably frighten the devil out of Joe Q citizen.

red baron wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

What data, I make it up Karnal, you want 1%.....O.K. 1%, happy now?  Even if it was as low as 1% it could still represent a Clear and Present Danger to our society. Think it might be over 1% though.

Thanks for that, Red.

You were only 79% out, and you’ve forgotten what the data is actually about, but thanks for the clarification.

Lucky we’re not back in Nam, eh?

red baron wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

Australia has had the benefit of be able to put on the 'rose coloured glasses' anytime we feel like it. Wars go on overseas, sometimes we are involved sometimes we aren't but it is always 'over there'. There is a time bomb ticking in Australia and it's due to go off any old time. The ISIS Jihadists have called on their followers world wide to attack the West 'where they live'. Does anyone here think, yes everywhere except here, after all this is OZ. The wake up call will come as a shock, when the first zealot has the gonads to step over the line and carry out ISIS orders on our soil. This will be a hair trigger effect, which will encourage more of the (usually) young to prepare to 'die for the cause'. Australia will morph into the 'frightened society' and the innocence, that is the hallmark of this Country, will disappear in a flash, never to return. Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose.

We should fear moslems, and what they represent.

And, we should blame ourselves, and our pollies,             for our own apathy towards what is clearly evil, that has allowed this circumstance [the presence of ISLAM and a moslem community in our suburbs] to eventuate, without any critical questioning, of what was being allowed to occur.iNo person who self declares as a moslem should be allowed to lawfully live in a country like Australia, imo.

We should be demanding that our parliamentarians bring laws to parliament, to make lawful the internment of every person who self declares as a moslem in Australia, for choosing to follow and to embrace WHAT ISLAM IS.

Why so ?

ISLAM = = A death cult.


Google;
similarity between islam and nazism







"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196



"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260iPlease watch this YT...

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg







"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0





Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Quote:

I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis.

I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads.

Aussie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads.

Scott Morrison was certainly struck dumb with this question by Leigh Sales. This either means that:

A. He’d never thought of this, he’s been busy with the boats, and his 70-odd media advisors hadn’t briefed him before 7.30, or

B. Guilty as charged.

Aussie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads.

beware the friendly jihadist coming to a place near you...very soon.

.beware of dark skinned males with full black beards..carrying a violin case...last seen getting into the back of a taxi..in the  Fairfax region.

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:36pm: Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads. beware the friendly jihadist coming to a place near you...very soon. .beware of dark skinned males with full black beards..carrying a violin case...last seen getting into the back of a taxi..in the  Fairfax region.

my bigger concern is the dumb drunks out on the streets .... i hope they don't scratch my car.

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:36pm: Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads. beware the friendly jihadist coming to a place near you...very soon. .beware of dark skinned males with full black beards..carrying a violin case...last seen getting into the back of a taxi..in the  Fairfax region. my bigger concern is the dumb drunks out on the streets .... i hope they don't scratch my car.

True. Or some d!ckhead crashing his/her car into the front of your house. That seems to be a common occurrence these days.

If my town experiences ISIS followers running through the streets with knives slicing people's heads off I will arm myself and fight, and it won't be because of their race/religion it'll be to defend myself and the innocents.
And if there's a bombing... which is unlikely in my sh1thole town, well I guess there isn't much I would be able to do personally, especially if I was blown up.
That's something those "in charge" will have to deal with, and after investigating for supposedly a year and being aware of people linked to terrorists, I don't hold much hope for anybody.
If you could save the world by dribbling sh!t and no action, the world would be a peaceful place, but this isn't reality.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:19pm: cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:36pm: Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads. beware the friendly jihadist coming to a place near you...very soon. .beware of dark skinned males with full black beards..carrying a violin case...last seen getting into the back of a taxi..in the  Fairfax region. my bigger concern is the dumb drunks out on the streets .... i hope they don't scratch my car. True. Or some d!ckhead crashing his/her car into the front of your house. That seems to be a common occurrence these days.

unfortunately my place is on a short cut from surfers paradise to the suburbs ... every Friday and Saturday night dozens  walk past ....

Freedumb wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:19pm: cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:36pm: Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads. beware the friendly jihadist coming to a place near you...very soon. .beware of dark skinned males with full black beards..carrying a violin case...last seen getting into the back of a taxi..in the  Fairfax region. my bigger concern is the dumb drunks out on the streets .... i hope they don't scratch my car. True. Or some d!ckhead crashing his/her car into the front of your house. That seems to be a common occurrence these days.

That’s not very fair. What about the boats?

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:22pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:19pm: cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:36pm: Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads. beware the friendly jihadist coming to a place near you...very soon. .beware of dark skinned males with full black beards..carrying a violin case...last seen getting into the back of a taxi..in the  Fairfax region. my bigger concern is the dumb drunks out on the streets .... i hope they don't scratch my car. True. Or some d!ckhead crashing his/her car into the front of your house. That seems to be a common occurrence these days. That’s not very fair. What about the boats?

crash their boat into the front of your house?

Karnal has waterfront property  ;D ;D ;D

Good heavens, the Parramatta River’s miles away.

No, I was thinking more of someone paying a people smuggler to bring him to Australia in a suicide bomb vest and spending a few years in Nauru until he finally gets to dry land and takes out a few seagulls.

I mean, it could happen - before they stopped the boats, I mean.

Funny how the security rating keeps going up though.

its great to see the good old fashioned.. "SHE"LL be RIGHT" attitude coming back... I was beginning to think it had gone forever...

NO WORRIES.....its all GOOD....

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 12:11am:

Good heavens, the Parramatta River’s miles away. No, I was thinking more of someone paying a people smuggler to bring him to Australia in a suicide bomb vest and spending a few years in Nauru until he finally gets to dry land and takes out a few seagulls. I mean, it could happen - before they stopped the boats, I mean. Funny how the security rating keeps going up though.

Anyone determined to do that would most likely fly in first class with Morrisons border patrol waving them through security with open arms

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:36pm: Quote: I don't believe David Irvine the Head of A.S.I.O. would be in the business of talking up a higher Risk Level from Medium to High without some serious basis. I do.  He is very likely acting on the instruction of Abbott to fly this kite.  Straight out of Chapter 4 of Goebels Book of How to Bullshit the Dick-Heads. beware the friendly jihadist coming to a place near you...very soon. .beware of dark skinned males with full black beards..carrying a violin case...last seen getting into the back of a taxi..in the  Fairfax region. my bigger concern is the dumb drunks out on the streets .... i hope they don't scratch my car.

Europeans are worried about getting their cars [parked in the street] scratched too.          :D



http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/car-burn-make.jpg
'Immigrant youths' in the Netherlands, protesting about how the locals have been 'persecuting' the moslem community.

What sparked the incident above, was a moslem man walked into a police station and stabbed a police woman.

She pulled out a pistol and shot him dead!

"POLICE SHOOT MOSLEM MAN, DEAD!"

!!!!!!!!




Quote:

Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Marie-Neige Sardin - a French women, a French shop keeper, persecuted in France, by local moslems by a tiny minority of extremists. Because she is not a moslem. And more... Multiculturalisme et islam en France reportage de CBN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YQANdvvbY Of course, moslems living within Western nations are being 'misrepresented'. Because what is presented and portrayed in that YT clip, is not representative of the real influence of ISLAM, upon moslems.         :P Those who are 'the tolerant ones' know, that 'ISLAM is peace'...          :P THE TRUTH... In localities where moslems are [still] politically weak or 'thin on the ground', ....moslems portray ISLAM, as a benign and non-threatening philosophy. Later, when their local circumstances and fortunes change, and when the moslems feel 'politically' confident enough [to expose their real nature, and their real agenda/intent!], the moslems will explain [very 'sincerely'      :P     ] to the locals, that the moslems are only punishing them [the locals] in retaliation, because the locals have been 'persecuting' the moslem community for so long. And it is only justice, to now punish the non-moslems, because the moslems now can do this!

Moslems always, always, always, justify moslem violence as justice, and as rightful retribution.

ISLAM makes lawlessness, LAWFUL, to the moslem.



Lets not [non-moslems] go down that path ourselves!

It is lawful to use violence to defend yourself, but do not strike out randomly against moslems, UNLAWFULLY.






What can we LAWFULLY do ?


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And, we should blame ourselves, and our pollies,             for our own apathy towards what is clearly evil, that has allowed this circumstance [the presence of ISLAM and a moslem community in our suburbs] to eventuate, without any critical questioning, of what was being allowed to occur.iNo person who self declares as a moslem should be allowed to lawfully live in a country like Australia, imo. We should be demanding that our parliamentarians bring laws to parliament, to make lawful the internment of every person who self declares as a moslem in Australia, for choosing to follow and to embrace WHAT ISLAM IS.

you want me to put up photos of non muslims rioting yadda? .... I'm sure I can find hundreds ... your thread proves nothing, especially since we aren't in Europe

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:53pm: red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Australia has had the benefit of be able to put on the 'rose coloured glasses' anytime we feel like it. Wars go on overseas, sometimes we are involved sometimes we aren't but it is always 'over there'. There is a time bomb ticking in Australia and it's due to go off any old time. The ISIS Jihadists have called on their followers world wide to attack the West 'where they live'. Does anyone here think, yes everywhere except here, after all this is OZ. The wake up call will come as a shock, when the first zealot has the gonads to step over the line and carry out ISIS orders on our soil. This will be a hair trigger effect, which will encourage more of the (usually) young to prepare to 'die for the cause'. Australia will morph into the 'frightened society' and the innocence, that is the hallmark of this Country, will disappear in a flash, never to return. Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose. One thing you can be sure of, when that first bomb goes off the forum luvvies will discover a fascination with the road toll and shark victims.  Cos when that bomb goes off the dills ain't gonna blame the culprits, instead they will... The first bomb? That's strange. There's already been a first bomb, and it keeps being excused as somehow irrelevant. And not only the first bomb - the first mass murder, the first shooting rampage, the first arson, the first random shooting spree, the first head-hacking, the first axe-murder, and every subsequent act of terrorism and carnage committed since. Some would rather return to the subject of Islam, can you believe it? Nothing to see here, leftards. We blame Islam. Always, absolutely, never ever.

Normally I don't bother with your repetitive static but you responded directly so it would be rude to ignore you.

My personal opinion so that when an Islamic inspired atrocity occurs on Oz soil with a significant head count then it will be a game changer and a tragedy, for us, the country and also for its Muslims.  The backlash and animosity will be tremendous which in turn will lead to radicalisation and an escalation with no happy endings for anyone. 

You however are free to hold your opinion that there is nothing to see here, that the first bomb will be irrelevant and your usual repetitive mindless drivel.

I believe that the great majority of Moslems here are law abiding and just want to get on with it. What Australia is concerned with is the fanatical fringe.

Unfortunately with the Moslems that follow, ISIS, ISIL, they are embarked on a Jihad.

Because the leaders of ISIS in the Middle East have called for their followers to attack 'their enemies' in the West.

What we have happening now is a 'perfect storm' of opportunity, motivation and training, meeting.

Jihadists have and are returning to Australia having 'fought for the cause' in the Middle East. These people are highly trained and extremely dangerous.

To a small percentage of the Moslem Community they are feted as heros. The idealistic youth are perfect targets for these trained fanatics to put martyrs in the field who would willingly carry out terrorist acts, even at the cost of their own life.

Anyone who thinks that this process is not already in train is living in cloud cuckoo land.

I hope and pray that it won't but I am convinced that it will at same stage in the not too distant future.

Our Intelligence agencies have thus far done a first class job. But there will come the time that 'sleepers' will slip through the net.

And that will be a game changer for our society as we know it today.

red baron wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

I believe that the great majority of Moslems here are law abiding and just want to get on with it. What Australia is concerned with is the fanatical fringe.

That is ABSURD red_baron.

Your statement offends reason and teh known facts about - the established doctrines - of ISLAM.




red_baron,

IF I FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC;

A moslem does not believe in Allah ?

A moslem does not respect the commands of Allah ?

A moslem does not believe in the doctrines of ISLAM ?


red_baron,

What makes a moslem, a 'moslem' ?

Isn't a moslem a follower of ISLAM ?

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah,and i revere Mohammed his messenger.
And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].
But i don't follow that part of my faith.
HONEST!             ;D"


Wake up!!!






"The face of terror...not the true faith of Islam.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340106973/4#4

Quote:

THE FALLACY; NOT ALL MOSLEMS ARE 'BAD' PEOPLE ? How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<..... "I am a moslem!" .....is unaware of what the principle tenets and laws of ISLAM are ? How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<..... "I am a moslem!" .....is unaware that mainstream ISLAM regards non-moslems ? If [individual] moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, murderous philosophy which ISLAM clearly is ? If moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ? Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ? How credible is such a claim ? How credible is it that a >> devout moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? e.g. The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah is that; THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE BETWEEN MOSLEMS AND UNBELIEVERS. Only a never ending warfare, or, a hidden enmity, whenever the unbelievers are are stronger than moslems.

Good for you Yadda, what have you got to say about ISIS butchering Moslems by the thousands who pray to Allah every day???????

Datalife wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:35am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 4:56pm: Datalife wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:53pm: red baron wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Australia has had the benefit of be able to put on the 'rose coloured glasses' anytime we feel like it. Wars go on overseas, sometimes we are involved sometimes we aren't but it is always 'over there'. There is a time bomb ticking in Australia and it's due to go off any old time. The ISIS Jihadists have called on their followers world wide to attack the West 'where they live'. Does anyone here think, yes everywhere except here, after all this is OZ. The wake up call will come as a shock, when the first zealot has the gonads to step over the line and carry out ISIS orders on our soil. This will be a hair trigger effect, which will encourage more of the (usually) young to prepare to 'die for the cause'. Australia will morph into the 'frightened society' and the innocence, that is the hallmark of this Country, will disappear in a flash, never to return. Am I a dooms dayer? No I'm a realist and every one of you should think about how best you are going to protect your families, when these crazies set themselves loose. One thing you can be sure of, when that first bomb goes off the forum luvvies will discover a fascination with the road toll and shark victims.  Cos when that bomb goes off the dills ain't gonna blame the culprits, instead they will... The first bomb? That's strange. There's already been a first bomb, and it keeps being excused as somehow irrelevant. And not only the first bomb - the first mass murder, the first shooting rampage, the first arson, the first random shooting spree, the first head-hacking, the first axe-murder, and every subsequent act of terrorism and carnage committed since. Some would rather return to the subject of Islam, can you believe it? Nothing to see here, leftards. We blame Islam. Always, absolutely, never ever. Normally I don't bother with your repetitive static but you responded directly so it would be rude to ignore you. My personal opinion so that when an Islamic inspired atrocity occurs on Oz soil with a significant head count then it will be a game changer and a tragedy, for us, the country and also for its Muslims.  The backlash and animosity will be tremendous which in turn will lead to radicalisation and an escalation with no happy endings for anyone.  You however are free to hold your opinion that there is nothing to see here, that the first bomb will be irrelevant and your usual repetitive mindless drivel.

But DL, you always respond to my mindless drivel, and I am always grateful that you do. I'm always up for a chat, so please keep reponding.

I agree that any Islamic atrocity on Australian soil would be a huge tragedy with no happy endings for anyone. How could anyone possibly disagree with that?

However, you place quite an emphasis on the inevitability of this. Could you possibly know something we don't?

Personally, I think the likelihood of you having inside information on an impending atrocity is quite unlikely. We know that all the atrocities committed on Australian soil have had nothing to do with the Muselman. We know a few Australian Muselmen have been caught discussing potential atrocities on the phone - they were all convicted and sent to jail.

That's all.

If you know something we don't, please post it here so we can have a more meaningful chat and avoid any mindless drivel. Unless you do that, how can we possibly confirm the inevitability of Islamic-inspired atrocity on Australian soil?

We can only confirm that every atrocity committed so far has been inspired by non-Muslims. As we've discussed, the only terrorist bombing committed on Australian soil was, as all evidence shows, most likely conducted by the then Special Branch of the NSW Police.

All other atrocities were committed by either non-Muslim organised crime groups, extremist political organizations, or various nutcases. There is no dispute about this. It's all been investigated, prosecuted, and proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

At present, your argument is based solely on your subjective belief - belief that, until you show otherwise, is pure speculation. Framing your belief from the possible to the inevitable with the conjunction when is merely rhetoric. We both know this.

I'm attempting to make this point clear because I know you have high standards. I'd like us both to avoid mindless, speculative drivel, and I'd like us both to continue responding to each other for many posts to come.

Gee Karnal hope you're right about your call. Perhaps deep, deep down they love us to a man. But then...I think back to the conversations, I used to listen to when we had the phones off at Telephone Intercepts and how the young ones spoke almost as good Australian as you and I.

Would it surprise you to hear that I heard naughty words like,"Infidel  f.....g pigs..we will take their women and rape them then throw them to the dogs..."And you know, related kind of nasty stuff like that...and that was years ago.

Wonder if they've found 'serenity now' since then.

Wouldn't like to roll the dice on that one.

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:12am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 12:11am: Good heavens, the Parramatta River’s miles away. No, I was thinking more of someone paying a people smuggler to bring him to Australia in a suicide bomb vest and spending a few years in Nauru until he finally gets to dry land and takes out a few seagulls. I mean, it could happen - before they stopped the boats, I mean. Funny how the security rating keeps going up though. Anyone determined to do that would most likely fly in first class with Morrisons border patrol waving them through security with open arms

It wouldn't be unprecedented. In the days after September 11, Dick Cheney personally arranged to have Osama bin Laden's brothers flown out of the country in a private jet.

Two years later, Dick organized the invasion of Iraq.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

red baron wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Gee Karnal hope you're right about your call. Perhaps deep, deep down they love us to a man. But then...I think back to the conversations, I used to listen to when we had the phones off at Telephone Intercepts and how the young ones spoke almost as good Australian as you and I. Would it surprise you to hear that I heard naughty words like,"Infidel  f.....g pigs..we will take their women and rape them then throw them to the dogs..."And you know, related kind of nasty stuff like that...and that was years ago. Wonder if they've found 'serenity now' since then. Wouldn't like to roll the dice on that one.

Thanks, Red. If I can attempt an interpretation of your rather inscrutable post:

You worked for a stint as a Telecom technician. You overheard people talking on the phone. You don't know what religion they were, but they said all sorts of mean things about whitey.

Am I on the right track?

red baron wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Gee Karnal hope you're right about your call. Perhaps deep, deep down they love us to a man. But then...I think back to the conversations, I used to listen to when we had the phones off at Telephone Intercepts and how the young ones spoke almost as good Australian as you and I. Would it surprise you to hear that I heard naughty words like,"Infidel  f.....g pigs..we will take their women and rape them then throw them to the dogs..."And you know, related kind of nasty stuff like that...and that was years ago. Wonder if they've found 'serenity now' since then. Wouldn't like to roll the dice on that one.

So if we are going to judge entire religious communities by the extreme actions of a few within, then how should we feel about the Catholic community?




Quote:

Catholic order had 'pedophile ring' in Vic A pedophile ring within a Catholic religious order in Victoria subjected boys as young as seven to pack rapes and severe beatings and covered up two killings, a victims' advocate claims... http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/catholic-order-had-pedophile-ring-in-vic-20121109-292d9.html

There are also fanatical Jews in Australia who promote books which endorse the rape of non-Jewish women and children.

If we are to go down the path of judging whole groups by the actions of a few, how should we feel about the ADF?



Quote:

Hundreds of Defence Force personnel linked to sexual offences, some involving children, documents reveal Confidential documents reveal that hundreds of military personnel have committed sexual offences within the past five years, some involving children. The documents, obtained by The Australian newspaper and seen by the ABC, indicate that almost 400 ADF members have been identified as persons of interest over sexual assault and related offences since 2008. The figures also show that almost 70 non-assaultive offences have been committed against children, including incidents of child grooming and the distribution of pornography. The overwhelming majority of personnel identified come from the Army, including officers, soldiers and reservists... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-08/hundreds-of-adf-personnel-named-in-sexual-abuse-offences/5727788

red baron wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

Good for you Yadda, what have you got to say about ISIS butchering Moslems by the thousands who pray to Allah every day???????

A very good question.

My guess is that Y will tell you that Moslims are so nasty, they'll turn on their own when the opportunity presents itself.

Whitey, Jews, fellow Moslems. Your Moslem will even kill himself.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Team Murdoch are you Rupert or Lachlan?

I suggest you catch yourself a plane to Iraq and do a little frontline  reporting on ISIS. We eagerly await your communiques.

No Karnal I was one of the first Police 'in' to establish the NSW Police Telephone Interception Section. I spent the last 7 years of my career there.  Nothing in the world like hearing Crims hang themselves with their own words.

One of the weirdest ones, was when a phone we had 'off' was taken off the hook by the target. He did this in fact so the phone wouldn't ring, whilst he murdered someone in his place.

The only thing is, on an intercepted call, once the phone is taken off the hook, it records everything. The unfortunate victim was sitting right next to it.

The boys were scrambled to the address, alas, not in time to save the victim but it was a great collar though. :)

PS These days it's all mobile, laptops etc. Doesn't matter what form of communication you use though. If you are targeted they will listen to everything you do and write for that matter.

red baron wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

Good for you Yadda, what have you got to say about ISIS butchering Moslems by the thousands who pray to Allah every day???????

red_baron,

You are completely, completely mistaken.

You are again, stating another ABSURD proposition [regarding moslems] red_baron.

And you are demonstrating to the world your own ignorance, of the laws and tenets of ISLAM.




red_baron,

Do you know anything at all, about ISLAM and ISLAM's doctrines ?

I would suggest not.

Because if you did, you would know that ISIS - ARE NOT - 'butchering Moslems by the thousands'.

Why so ?


Because moslems are the innocent people [i speak as a moslem would speak], and it is completely unlawful - in ISLAM - for a moslem to kill a fellow moslem.


as per....
"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.092, 93



red_baron,

ISIS are butchering infidels and apostates by the thousands - in Syria and Iraq.

And that is a very different matter!



ISLAMIC law texts

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."


"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260





Ishaq:231  ----->


Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google




A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: Good for you Yadda, what have you got to say about ISIS butchering Moslems by the thousands who pray to Allah every day??????? A very good question. My guess is that Y will tell you that Moslims are so nasty, they'll turn on their own when the opportunity presents itself. Whitey, Jews, fellow Moslems. Your Moslem will even kill himself. Allah Uakbar, no?

Exactly so, K.


All moslems are wanna-be murderers - it is as plain as the nose on your face.

All moslems are wanna-be murderers - it is as plain as the nose on your face.

All moslems are wanna-be murderers - it is as plain as the nose on your face.


Who, except a wanna-be murderer would choose to follow and choose to be a member of a philosophy which makes lawful, the murder, rape, enslavement, and the robbery, of those who do not believe as you believe ?

ONLY MOSLEMS.








ISLAM should be a declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Any person who self declares as a 'moslem' should be expelled from Australia, or, [for the national security and safety of Australia] lawfully held in internment until they can be removed from Australia.



Just examine the religious philosophy societal philosophy which all moslems endorse and have choosen to embrace and to empower!!!.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

Forget my prediction about Y’s response, Red.

I don’t know what he’s trying to say.

red baron wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

No Karnal I was one of the first Police 'in' to establish the NSW Police Telephone Interception Section. I spent the last 7 years of my career there.  Nothing in the world like hearing Crims hang themselves with their own words. One of the weirdest ones, was when a phone we had 'off' was taken off the hook by the target. He did this in fact so the phone wouldn't ring, whilst he murdered someone in his place. The only thing is, on an intercepted call, once the phone is taken off the hook, it records everything. The unfortunate victim was sitting right next to it. The boys were scrambled to the address, alas, not in time to save the victim but it was a great collar though. :) PS These days it's all mobile, laptops etc. Doesn't matter what form of communication you use though. If you are targeted they will listen to everything you do and write for that matter.

Thanks for clarifying. And I’ll remember your advice.

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 7:18pm: No Karnal I was one of the first Police 'in' to establish the NSW Police Telephone Interception Section. I spent the last 7 years of my career there.  Nothing in the world like hearing Crims hang themselves with their own words. One of the weirdest ones, was when a phone we had 'off' was taken off the hook by the target. He did this in fact so the phone wouldn't ring, whilst he murdered someone in his place. The only thing is, on an intercepted call, once the phone is taken off the hook, it records everything. The unfortunate victim was sitting right next to it. The boys were scrambled to the address, alas, not in time to save the victim but it was a great collar though. :) PS These days it's all mobile, laptops etc. Doesn't matter what form of communication you use though. If you are targeted they will listen to everything you do and write for that matter. Thanks for clarifying. And I’ll remember your advice.

'from what i understand they can even use your mobile to eavesdrop on your conversations when your not on a call ...

shag your wife with the mobile phone by the bed and powered on, they can hear it

John Smith, that's very funny John once a target took the phone off the hook to have a naughty and we listened to every step of his romantic episode from kissy, kissy to the vinegar stroke. It was hilarious. As soon as he was done he was back on the phone doing drug deals.

Yadda, take my advice, go out to your yard, look at the sky, empty your mind of all things. Then think  about this.

Forgive everyone everything, bottling up hate is a one way ticket to self destruction. love is the most important thing there is in life, don't judge too harshly, be at peace with the universe.

Matey don't get so hung up. Did I not say that the great majority of Moslems just want to get on with their life.

I don't hate Moslems but Jihadists scare the living daylights out of me.

The Koran is pure and does not teach hate...In many ways the teaching of Allah mirror the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Yes it's sh.thole of a world but don't allow yourself to become embittered by it. There are way more good people out there than crazies, it's all a matter of balance. Shalom :)

red baron wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

Yadda, take my advice, go out to your yard, look at the sky, empty your mind of all things. Then think  about this. Forgive everyone everything, bottling up hate is a one way ticket to self destruction. love is the most important thing there is in life, don't judge too harshly, be at peace with the universe. Matey don't get so hung up. Did I not say that the great majority of Moslems just want to get on with their life. I don't hate Moslems but Jihadists scare the living daylights out of me. The Koran is pure and does not teach hate...In many ways the teaching of Allah mirror the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yes it's sh.thole of a world but don't allow yourself to become embittered by it. There are way more good people out there than crazies, it's all a matter of balance. Shalom :)

red_baron,

Thanks.


p.s.
- The Koran is pure and does not teach hate...In many ways the teaching of Allah mirror the teachings of Jesus Christ. -


LOL

Whatever.

It is your journey.

Like most things it's the twist you put on things. Jesus Christ taught love and forgiveness forgive me for saying that Allah taught the same.

Personally I'm not an old testament man, you know the fire and brimstone stuff. Never forget that its humans who put interpretations on what is taught by prophets. I've given up on human beings getting it right. Best to go to the source and the source says peace and forgiveness. :)

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

I agree that any Islamic atrocity on Australian soil would be a huge tragedy with no happy endings for anyone. How could anyone possibly disagree with that? However, you place quite an emphasis on the inevitability of this. Could you possibly know something we don't? .

They have tried before in this country and been thwarted, they have tried overseas in countries which which they have grievances and have succeeded, Australia is a country with which they have grievances so they will try again.

They only have to be successful once, to prevent an attack the security services have to be successful every time and balance protection against abuse of civil liberties.  To be successful everytime is an impossible burden for security service.

In short the odds are with the terrorists freedom fighters that Australia will have its very own al Akbar moment.

And the sandalistas can start collating road death statistics as they prepare their pleas of mitigation. 

red baron wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

John Smith, that's very funny John once a target took the phone off the hook to have a naughty and we listened to every step of his romantic episode from kissy, kissy to the vinegar stroke. It was hilarious. As soon as he was done he was back on the phone doing drug deals.

Just out of interest, Red, did you uncover any evidence of terrorism?

Karnal wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:00am: John Smith, that's very funny John once a target took the phone off the hook to have a naughty and we listened to every step of his romantic episode from kissy, kissy to the vinegar stroke. It was hilarious. As soon as he was done he was back on the phone doing drug deals. Just out of interest, Red, did you uncover any evidence of terrorism?

apparently the girl was so terrorised she could never do the vinegar stroke again :D :D

Karnal I have had a feeling for some time that the Government has been holding back on us the public about 'what is really going on out there'.

Just got through watching Tony Abbott lift our Security Warning from Medium to High which as you know means a terrorist attack is likely.

Dr. Keith Suitor the Foreign Affairs guy on 7 seemed to agree with what is happening.

I think it is fanciful not to believe the game has changed. Over 60 Muslims have returned from the Middle East having been involved in some way with ISIS.

They represent a huge danger to our society because the only message they are going to preach, is the Jihad against ISIS' enemies. Include us in that total.

The young can easily be swayed by powerful images from 'believers of the Jihad'.

This is the problem. If only a small percentage of Muslims sign up for it, then we are in for the high jump.

I hope I'm totally wrong on all this but my experience tells me I'm not.

PS Karnal, no, when I was in Telephone Intercepts there wasn't any terrorism thing going on in our Intercepts, which were mainly, Murders, Armed Robberies, Drugs that kind of thing.  But I am going back over 10 years.

red baron wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

Karnal I have had a feeling for some time that the Government has been holding back on us the public about 'what is really going on out there'. Just got through watching Tony Abbott lift our Security Warning from Medium to High which as you know means a terrorist attack is likely. Dr. Keith Suitor the Foreign Affairs guy on 7 seemed to agree with what is happening. I think it is fanciful not to believe the game has changed. Over 60 Muslims have returned from the Middle East having been involved in some way with ISIS. They represent a huge danger to our society because the only message they are going to preach, is the Jihad against ISIS' enemies. Include us in that total. The young can easily be swayed by powerful images from 'believers of the Jihad'. This is the problem. If only a small percentage of Muslims sign up for it, then we are in for the high jump. I hope I'm totally wrong on all this but my experience tells me I'm not.

is this the same experience that told you Gillard was guilty of the charges claimed against her and the same experience that told you she would be crucified when she testified at ICAC?

Now, now John, I have replied in full about Aunty Julia on Aussie's post referring to her appearance at the Royal Commission. ;)

bump

red baron wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Now, now John, I have replied in full about Aunty Julia on Aussie's post referring to her appearance at the Royal Commission. ;)

i was waiting for her to be taken away based on your say so .. i even told some friends that a mate of mine named Red had sources that swore this would be so .... your sources suck, Red.

What are they sucking on John, toffee apples or all day suckers? :)

PS Last year when I said that Gillard was under investigation I was laughed out of the forum

Forgive me for stating the obvious but was she not required to attend the Royal Commission investigating exactly what I had been alluding to? And did her Legal Reps not try try their guts out to have her excluded from being forced to appear and finally, did they not fail in that endeavour? :)

red baron wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

Like most things it's the twist you put on things. Jesus Christ taught love and forgiveness forgive me for saying that Allah taught the same. Personally I'm not an old testament man, you know the fire and brimstone stuff. Never forget that its humans who put interpretations on what is taught by prophets. I've given up on human beings getting it right. Best to go to the source and the source says peace and forgiveness. :)

have you noticed over the years the church tends to put the prices up as well...did Jesus ask for alms??....I dont recall that in the bible...but I am sure its there hidden in someone interpretation.. ;) ;)

some folks would rather see a child die that give them life saving blood...staggering...I am sure the good lord would never take anything out on a child..no matter what.

cods wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:29am: Like most things it's the twist you put on things. Jesus Christ taught love and forgiveness forgive me for saying that Allah taught the same. Personally I'm not an old testament man, you know the fire and brimstone stuff. Never forget that its humans who put interpretations on what is taught by prophets. I've given up on human beings getting it right. Best to go to the source and the source says peace and forgiveness. :) have you noticed over the years the church tends to put the prices up as well...did Jesus ask for alms??....I dont recall that in the bible...but I am sure its there hidden in someone interpretation.. ;) ;) some folks would rather see a child die that give them life saving blood...staggering...I am sure the good lord would never take anything out on a child..no matter what.

And some folk would rather see a child die than support foreign aid. Staggering. As far as the "good lord" goes, didn't he invent nature?
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1385/1016152029_42a69f11ea.jpg

What a sad and tragic image Satana. Who can understand the cruelty this world is filled with.

red baron wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

What a sad and tragic image Satana. Who can understand the cruelty this world is filled with.

We can, and we are the only ones that can do something about it. No "good lord" is coming to the rescue. The truest saying about the "good lord" is that he helps those who help themselves, that's us and it's because us doing it is the only help there is, some people just like giving him the credit.

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:41pm: red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:29am: Like most things it's the twist you put on things. Jesus Christ taught love and forgiveness forgive me for saying that Allah taught the same. Personally I'm not an old testament man, you know the fire and brimstone stuff. Never forget that its humans who put interpretations on what is taught by prophets. I've given up on human beings getting it right. Best to go to the source and the source says peace and forgiveness. :) have you noticed over the years the church tends to put the prices up as well...did Jesus ask for alms??....I dont recall that in the bible...but I am sure its there hidden in someone interpretation.. ;) ;) some folks would rather see a child die that give them life saving blood...staggering...I am sure the good lord would never take anything out on a child..no matter what. And some folk would rather see a child die than support foreign aid. Staggering. As far as the "good lord" goes, didn't he invent nature? https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1385/1016152029_42a69f11ea.jpg

do you think foreign aid gets to the children?

cods wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:46pm: cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:41pm: red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:29am: Like most things it's the twist you put on things. Jesus Christ taught love and forgiveness forgive me for saying that Allah taught the same. Personally I'm not an old testament man, you know the fire and brimstone stuff. Never forget that its humans who put interpretations on what is taught by prophets. I've given up on human beings getting it right. Best to go to the source and the source says peace and forgiveness. :) have you noticed over the years the church tends to put the prices up as well...did Jesus ask for alms??....I dont recall that in the bible...but I am sure its there hidden in someone interpretation.. ;) ;) some folks would rather see a child die that give them life saving blood...staggering...I am sure the good lord would never take anything out on a child..no matter what. And some folk would rather see a child die than support foreign aid. Staggering. As far as the "good lord" goes, didn't he invent nature? https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1385/1016152029_42a69f11ea.jpg do you think foreign aid gets to the children?

Is that your excuse?

Edit: Money siphoned off along the way is a problem, no denying, it's not an excuse to do less and let children die, which is what you were so concerned with a couple of posts ago. There are things that need addressing, but cutting aid is not one of them if you care about children dying. Things like Women's Bank is working well in some areas. Aid certainly needs better targeting but cuts do not do anything constructive.

Maybe you're right, it's just too hard and costly, we should let 'em die, it's just nature. There is no "good lord" to save 'em, they are f'd.

cods wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:46pm: cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:41pm: red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:29am: Like most things it's the twist you put on things. Jesus Christ taught love and forgiveness forgive me for saying that Allah taught the same. Personally I'm not an old testament man, you know the fire and brimstone stuff. Never forget that its humans who put interpretations on what is taught by prophets. I've given up on human beings getting it right. Best to go to the source and the source says peace and forgiveness. :) have you noticed over the years the church tends to put the prices up as well...did Jesus ask for alms??....I dont recall that in the bible...but I am sure its there hidden in someone interpretation.. ;) ;) some folks would rather see a child die that give them life saving blood...staggering...I am sure the good lord would never take anything out on a child..no matter what. And some folk would rather see a child die than support foreign aid. Staggering. As far as the "good lord" goes, didn't he invent nature? https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1385/1016152029_42a69f11ea.jpg do you think foreign aid gets to the children?

Thinking of sponsoring a child are you, Cods?

There is no answer to the questions of the age.

If one stays true to oneself in life and does what you can to make the earth a better place, then you can go to your grave in peace.

red baron wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

What are they sucking on John, toffee apples or all day suckers? :) PS Last year when I said that Gillard was under investigation I was laughed out of the forum Forgive me for stating the obvious but was she not required to attend the Royal Commission investigating exactly what I had been alluding to? And did her Legal Reps not try try their guts out to have her excluded from being forced to appear and finally, did they not fail in that endeavour? :)

you weren't laughed at you for saying she was under investigation, that was all over the papers .... you were laughed at when you said evidence that proved her guilt would be forthcoming

you could at least have the decency to find out why people laugh at you red. ;D ;D ;D

It was, however even though the Victorian Police who investigated her frauds, had plenty for a prima facie case, they fell at the last hurdle because they didn't have the pump to put a former Prime Minister before the Courts.

I got nothing wrong at all, I was right, all the way down the line about that lying fraudster of a bitch!

Her performance at the Royal Commission was a joke, she should be tested for dementia, her memory was laughable, not to mention a key missing document that conveniently disappeared, perhaps David Copperfield the Magician swung by.

Now, I'll just go put on my Sou Wester, whilst the usual sh.tstorm blows over the site, as a result of my fair comments.

red baron wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

It was, however even though the Victorian Police who investigated her frauds, had plenty for a prima facie case, they fell at the last hurdle because they didn't have the pump to put a former Prime Minister before the Courts. I got nothing wrong at all, I was right, all the way down the line about that lying fraudster of a bitch! Her performance at the Royal Commission was a joke, she should be tested for dementia, her memory was laughable, not to mention a key missing document that conveniently disappeared, perhaps David Copperfield the Magician swung by. Now, I'll just go put on my Sou Wester, whilst the usual sh.tstorm blows over the site, as a result of my fair comments.

you are kidding? with over 100 questions asked about a minor event (that to any lawyer let alone gillard)  that happened over 20 yrs ago she answered she didn't remember to 6 questions ... you wish your memory was as good as hers

Incoming!!!!!!he he he he he he! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gillard didn't get what she so surely deserved in the Courts but karma being karma, she got it well and truly from the Party that elevated her, then shoved a dozen knives in her back.

Case closed

Well I think my crystal ball has worked pretty well. I posted this on 9 September before this stink blew up to a Commitment to go back into Iraq. Wish I could predict lottery results as well.

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:29pm: Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:46pm: cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:41pm: red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:29am: Like most things it's the twist you put on things. Jesus Christ taught love and forgiveness forgive me for saying that Allah taught the same. Personally I'm not an old testament man, you know the fire and brimstone stuff. Never forget that its humans who put interpretations on what is taught by prophets. I've given up on human beings getting it right. Best to go to the source and the source says peace and forgiveness. :) have you noticed over the years the church tends to put the prices up as well...did Jesus ask for alms??....I dont recall that in the bible...but I am sure its there hidden in someone interpretation.. ;) ;) some folks would rather see a child die that give them life saving blood...staggering...I am sure the good lord would never take anything out on a child..no matter what. And some folk would rather see a child die than support foreign aid. Staggering. As far as the "good lord" goes, didn't he invent nature? https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1385/1016152029_42a69f11ea.jpg do you think foreign aid gets to the children? Is that your excuse? Edit: Money siphoned off along the way is a problem, no denying, it's not an excuse to do less and let children die, which is what you were so concerned with a couple of posts ago. There are things that need addressing, but cutting aid is not one of them if you care about children dying. Things like Women's Bank is working well in some areas. Aid certainly needs better targeting but cuts do not do anything constructive. Maybe you're right, it's just too hard and costly, we should let 'em die, it's just nature. There is no "good lord" to save 'em, they are f'd.

In this book, the front bottom reckons foreign aid just prolongs the peoples misery by enabling their tyrannical leaders to pay off their backers for longer.

red baron wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Well I think my crystal ball has worked pretty well. I posted this on 9 September before this stink blew up to a Commitment to go back into Iraq. Wish I could predict lottery results as well.

The lottery results that you take so much pleasure in "predicting" - the redeployment in Iraq - has been played out on cable news, talkback radio and the tabloid headlines for the past month.

What a prediction. Sounds like you’re confusing the results with the price of the ticket, son.

And you bought it - hook, line and sinker.

I don't buy anything Karnal, I make my own decisions and they aren't knee jerk...Incidentally, I'm not "your son".

Thus it begins.

Raids all over Sydney and Brisbane. Moslems arrested for terrorist offences. Plans amongst the Moslems for random attacks against the public with beheadings involved.

Goodbye lucky Country.

red baron wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

Gillard didn't get what she so surely deserved in the Courts but karma being karma, she got it well and truly from the Party that elevated her, then shoved a dozen knives in her back. Case closed

she gave me the impression she had practiced her answers very well...not once did she hesitate she gave me the impression she knew exactly what was coming next...she looked neither surprised nor angry I found it all rather predictable really.. she was well prepared...and of course being an ex lawyer she would know exactly how to answer a question without actually saying anything.plus selective memory  ::) ::)

red baron wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Thus it begins. Raids all over Sydney and Brisbane. Moslems arrested for terrorist offences. Plans amongst the Moslems for random attacks against the public with beheadings involved. Goodbye lucky Country.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/terror-raids-afp-asio-move-on-suspected-terrorists-in-biggest-counterterrorism-raid-in-australias-history/story-fni0cx12-1227062152150


the maps will show if you are within a close distance to these people..red...lets be honest Syd and Bris are only the tip of the icebewrg.

red baron wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Well I think my crystal ball has worked pretty well. I posted this on 9 September before this stink blew up to a Commitment to go back into Iraq. Wish I could predict lottery results as well.

...I predicted it 2 years ago  ;)

red baron wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Thus it begins. Raids all over Sydney and Brisbane. Moslems arrested for terrorist offences. Plans amongst the Moslems for random attacks against the public with beheadings involved. Goodbye lucky Country.

It's war. Of course, you predicted it all along, Red.

Forget about everything else Karnal, who was right, who was wrong...Doesn't matter.

This Country is for the Terrorist high jump.

As the old 'X' Factor used to say, they're 'out there' and they bloody well are.

red baron wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Forget about everything else Karnal, who was right, who was wrong...Doesn't matter. This Country is for the Terrorist high jump. As the old 'X' Factor used to say, they're 'out there' and they bloody well are.

Are you insane? This country has no ethnic conflict, no Muslim separatists, no Maoist insurgents. We've got no land borders, and no disputes with our neighbours. We've got no refugees flooding in from a civil war next door, and no way to smuggle in weapons for armed struggle. We've got a well-paid police force, excellent surveillance and border security. There's bugger-all corruption, not a lot of organized crime, and no way to pay anyone in power to look the other way.

Check out the rest of the region - check out the rest of the world. You lived in Thailand for some time, Red, so I know you're not a complete dill. So tell me this - how does Australia rank on the old X factor compared to the rest of South East Asia?

Well let's just say, everything has got to start somewhere doesn't it?

Let's say it started today (although the have been previous incidents) :)

PS Our X Factor rating? Well we are a Christian Country (mainly) Our neighbours have heavy complements of Muslims. (To our North)

I think our rating of High has been earned and it only took a week.

I'd say we're going up the charts with a rocket.

What's the 'old X factor' in this context?  Karnal used the term, and for all I know, he just made it up.....yet Mr Baron bites in as though it has specific meaning.

Aussie wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Karnal used the term, and for all I know, he just made it up

He's a prime stirrer, taht one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdAoQvqh7eY

Aussie wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

What's the 'old X factor' in this context?  Karnal used the term, and for all I know, he just made it up.....yet Mr Baron bites in as though it has specific meaning.

Red Baron used the term to back up his crystal ball. Red’s saying Australia is under siege, not because of any visible  threat, but because he can feel it in his waters.

Aussie wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

What's the 'old X factor' in this context?  Karnal used the term, and for all I know, he just made it up.....yet Mr Baron bites in as though it has specific meaning.

Red Baron used the term to back up his crystal ball. Red’s saying Australia is under siege, not because of any visible  threat, but because he can feel it in his waters.

Karnal wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

Karnal wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Red Baron used the term to back up his crystal ball. Red’s saying Australia is under siege, not because of any visible threat, but because he can feel it in his waters.

Is this the Egg-on-Face thread?

Not sure, Herbie. Is it?

Excuse me for stating the obvious Karnal but did not 800 Police take place in terrorist raids on Muslims yesterday.

Wouldn't you say that they have reasonable cause to believe that there is a bloody serious threat out there.


Personally Karnal, I think you are carrying a lot of personal baggage with you, most probably from the Vietnam War. If that is the case then you have my complete sympathy, we all have our demons.

But to say that we are not under threat from sections of the Muslim Community is laughable and pathetic.

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:01am:

Personally Karnal, I think you are carrying a lot of personal baggage with you ...

;D ;D ;D

Oh surely not?

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:01am:

Excuse me for stating the obvious Karnal but did not 800 Police take place in terrorist raids on Muslims yesterday. Wouldn't you say that they have reasonable cause to believe that there is a bloody serious threat out there. Personally Karnal, I think you are carrying a lot of personal baggage with you, most probably from the Vietnam War. If that is the case then you have my complete sympathy, we all have our demons. But to say that we are not under threat from sections of the Muslim Community is laughable and pathetic.

We certainly seem to be. What from, at present, is still a bit of a mystery.

Would you like to look into your crystal ball and ask what those Muslims actually plotted, and how close they were to doing it?

That’s what I’d like to know, given I live round the corner from the so-called ringleaders.

Red Baron ~ I would like to join Karnal's Dead Cat Society, but I somehow feel he would resent me taking away some of those that he's become habituated to dragging around with him like some awful security blanket.

As with empty cans rattling and bouncing along the road in the wake of a 'Just Married' cavalcade, I think Karnal prefers not to share his grip on the strings to that score or so of Dead Cats that keep him company in his lonely vigil at the top of that Ivory Tower. 

Well Karnal, given your locale perhaps you could drop in and have a straight up expresso or two with them and discuss strategies at large.

After all, you are Johnny or rather Karnal on the spot.

I will say this much Karnal, anyone who has been in the Military during a time of war, can easily see what is unfolding here.

I know it amuses you to press the buttons and get the likely responses.

You are an experienced man and I'm sure you can see the big picture.

There hasn't been anything I have said or projected which hasn't or isn't going to happen.

You don't have to be Einstein, to work out that the Jihadist Muslims in our Community, are just waiting for the chance to prove how great they are before Allah.

As the Magician once said, "all will be revealed'.

Personally, if I was living that close to the epicentre of this latest saga in 'The Story of Muslims in Australia', I would be digging a bomb-shelter in the backyard and lining the walls with my Dead Cats for heat-insulation and sound-proofing.

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

Well Karnal, given your locale perhaps you could drop in and have a straight up expresso or two with them and discuss strategies at large. After all, you are Johnny or rather Karnal on the spot. I will say this much Karnal, anyone who has been in the Military during a time of war, can easily see what is unfolding here.

Tell me about it. A government fails badly on domestic policy and leans on the fear drummed up by their friends in the media.

I'll grant you, it's not a textbook case, but it's close. Tony Abbott had some troop deployment announcement yesterday which was overshadowed by the Federal Police's press conferences, so it's not all going to shedule.

Also, the Feds' investigation into all this started in May - well before the budget was released and blew up in the government's face.

But my crystal ball tells me the troop redeployment in Iraq, the heightened security upgrade, and a head-hacking plot thwarted in its tracks are all too convenient for the government. I know that this is not some trumped up PR stunt, but the timing is impeccable and even proportionate to the popular distain for the Abbott government.

And as usual, the Daily Telegraph's bleating out the Pravda-style pronouncements, a two-pronged propaganda attack with with Fox News doing its work in the heart of the empire.

Abbott has recaptured the security agenda with perfect timing - on the foreign and domestic fronts similtaneously.

I can see what's unfolding here, and something tells me all is not what it seems.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

Personally, if I was living that close to the epicentre of this latest saga in 'The Story of Muslims in Australia', I would be digging a bomb-shelter in the backyard and lining the walls with my Dead Cats for heat-insulation and sound-proofing.

You most certainly would.

Ahhhh we're going with the conspiracy theory are we?

Yes, that makes  sense.

A bunch of westerners got together, created ISIL then told them to go and commit Genocide right across the Middle East, so that the West could then start a War on the Frankenstein they themselves created.

Yes, that fits the bill nicely, conspiracy theory proved (not). ::)

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:

Ahhhh we're going with the conspiracy theory are we? Yes, that makes  sense. A bunch of westerners got together, created ISIL then told them to go and commit Genocide right across the Middle East, so that the West could then start a War on the Frankenstein they themselves created. Yes, that fits the bill nicely, conspiracy theory proved (not). ::)

when was the last time you saw ISIL in Lakemba Red?

Welcome, welcome, welcome John! I was almost going to mount a search party for you but here you are in full living colour not to mention 3D.

When is the last time you saw, 'The Last Time I Saw Paris'?

Let's just call it even!

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

Welcome, welcome, welcome John! I was almost going to mount a search party for you but here you are in full living colour not to mention 3D. When is the last time you saw, 'The Last Time I Saw Paris'? Let's just call it even!

does that mean you've never seen them in lakemba Red? ..........  you seem confused

Go on, Red ... make his day ... take the bait.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

Go on, Red ... make his day ... take the bait.  8-)

Got JS on the old ignore list too, eh Herbie?

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 8:53pm: Go on, Red ... make his day ... take the bait.  8-) Got JS on the old ignore list too, eh Herbie?

I do... I have you all on ignore. I don't want to hear what y'all have to say because I already know.. You are Wrong! I read only replies, by accident, like this one.

Setanta wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 8:53pm: Go on, Red ... make his day ... take the bait.  8-) Got JS on the old ignore list too, eh Herbie? I do... I have you all on ignore. I don't want to hear what y'all have to say because I already know.. You are Wrong! I read only replies, by accident, like this one.

Oh, Herbie hardly reads by accident, but you’re right.

We all know what everybody’s going to say.

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 8:53pm: Go on, Red ... make his day ... take the bait.  8-) Got JS on the old ignore list too, eh Herbie?

John? Hell no.

He might be a couple of spaghetti rods short of a packet, but at least he has the glimmer of a sense of humour.  :-*

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:11pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 8:53pm: Go on, Red ... make his day ... take the bait.  8-) Got JS on the old ignore list too, eh Herbie? I do... I have you all on ignore. I don't want to hear what y'all have to say because I already know.. You are Wrong! I read only replies, by accident, like this one. Oh, Herbie hardly reads by accident, but you’re right. We all know what everybody’s going to say.

Of course we do. It's all been said before. Big Bang ... outward movement through the cosmos .... slow contraction to a pin-point of compressed matter .... Big Bang .... again and again.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

Personally, if I was living that close to the epicentre of this latest saga in 'The Story of Muslims in Australia', I would be digging a bomb-shelter in the backyard and lining the walls with my Dead Cats for heat-insulation and sound-proofing.

think how lucky you are not to live in Canberra where the main event was planned to take place...

its only up the road from where I live..it would be like a great big BBQ on the hill...

I would like to tell you thank god for the AFP who have now taken the place over from wannabee body builders...but best not to put more worries into you day herb...

just be happy you dont live in ACT..

how deep is a bomb shelter??? I might get quotes.

cods wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

I would like to tell you thank god for the AFP who have now taken the place over from wannabee body builders...

Those 'body-builders' are almost all homosexuals who moonlight as 'oiled hunks' in gay magazines, and would be totally useless if Ahab the Ayrab came swanning into view with a bomb-belt and his hand on his ... er ... detonator.

Seeing that I never go to Lakemba John, the likelihood of me seeing anything there is slightly remote, wouldn't you think?

red baron wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

Seeing that I never go to Lakemba John, the likelihood of me seeing anything there is slightly remote, wouldn't you think?

I don't think it really matters anyway .... you'd only see what you want to even if you lived there.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 9:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 8:53pm: Go on, Red ... make his day ... take the bait.  8-) Got JS on the old ignore list too, eh Herbie? John? Hell no. He might be a couple of spaghetti rods short of a packet, but at least he has the glimmer of a sense of humour.  :-*

Spaghetti comes in strands not rods. If I'm short of a few you're an empty Packet

So John, these posts of yours here. Do they comprise of your complete and full opinion of the crisis with ISIL in the Middle East?

I mean let's face it, you could get a more comprehensive opinion off a corn flakes packet

John Smith wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

He might be a couple of spaghetti rods short of a packet, but at least he has the glimmer of a sense of humour.  :-*

Spaghetti comes in strands not rods. If I'm short of a few you're an empty Packet[/quote]

'Strands' are slack like 'strands' of hair. They are packaged as rods that you can play 'Pick up Sticks' with.

red baron wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

So John, these posts of yours here. Do they comprise of your complete and full opinion of the crisis with ISIL in the Middle East? I mean let's face it, you could get a more comprehensive opinion off a corn flakes packet

if you want my opinion all you need to do is ask for it .... I didn't think you were interested in what is happening in the middle East, most of your comments are about the terrorists in Lakemba :D :D :D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

cods wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 9:43am: I would like to tell you thank god for the AFP who have now taken the place over from wannabee body builders... Those 'body-builders' are almost all homosexuals who moonlight as 'oiled hunks' in gay magazines, and would be totally useless if Ahab the Ayrab came swanning into view with a bomb-belt and his hand on his ... er ... detonator.

no the security are people who think they have special powers..lol.. it kind of goes to their head.. ::) ::) a bit like nits..

did you see where an intruder got as far as the steps of the White House...I dont think we can afford to be complacent just quietly..

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:43pm: He might be a couple of spaghetti rods short of a packet, but at least he has the glimmer of a sense of humour.  :-* Spaghetti comes in strands not rods. If I'm short of a few you're an empty Packet

'Strands' are slack like 'strands' of hair. They are packaged as rods that you can play 'Pick up Sticks' with.

[/quote]

you keep telling yourself that dopey .... :D :D :D

An individual strand is called a piece of spaghetti or a strand of spaghetti, or rarely spaghetto, derived from the Italian form.

John Smith wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

you keep telling yourself that dopey .... :D :D :D An individual strand is called a piece of spaghetti or a strand of spaghetti, or rarely spaghetto, derived from the Italian form.

In Italiano it might be a 'strand', but in English it's called a 'rod'.

Capisce?

Rod = Asta

Strand = Filo

Filo pastry is thin sheets of ...

Asta is 'Pasta' without the 'P'.

cods wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 2:23pm: Personally, if I was living that close to the epicentre of this latest saga in 'The Story of Muslims in Australia', I would be digging a bomb-shelter in the backyard and lining the walls with my Dead Cats for heat-insulation and sound-proofing. think how lucky you are not to live in Canberra where the main event was planned to take place... its only up the road from where I live..it would be like a great big BBQ on the hill... I would like to tell you thank god for the AFP who have now taken the place over from wannabee body builders...but best not to put more worries into you day herb... just be happy you dont live in ACT.. how deep is a bomb shelter??? I might get quotes.

A head-hacking planned in Canberra, you say? How sinister.

I’m surprised the Libs didn’t let them loose on Clive Palmer.

cods wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:12am: cods wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 9:43am: I would like to tell you thank god for the AFP who have now taken the place over from wannabee body builders... Those 'body-builders' are almost all homosexuals who moonlight as 'oiled hunks' in gay magazines, and would be totally useless if Ahab the Ayrab came swanning into view with a bomb-belt and his hand on his ... er ... detonator. no the security are people who think they have special powers..lol.. it kind of goes to their head.. ::) ::) a bit like nits.. did you see where an intruder got as far as the steps of the White House...I dont think we can afford to be complacent just quietly..

A head-hacker once managed to get into.Buckingham Palace. He snuck past the Beefeaters, all the security guards, SAS snipers, etc, He climbed up a wall and made it into Lizzie’s own bedroom.

Lucky he changed his mind about the head-hacking. He settled on telling the Queen one of his poems.

Unless you’re  royalty, dear,  I’m sure you’ll be safe.- or a literary critic.

Maybe we should get a police watch on the old boy. He was quoting Yeats the other day.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 6:21pm: you keep telling yourself that dopey .... :D :D :D An individual strand is called a piece of spaghetti or a strand of spaghetti, or rarely spaghetto, derived from the Italian form. In Italiano it might be a 'strand', but in English it's called a 'rod'. Capisce? Rod = Asta Strand = Filo Filo pastry is thin sheets of ... Asta is 'Pasta' without the 'P'.

you're a dick ... that definition I put up for your benefit was an English dictionary, not Italian ... mor ron

You see John, this is what happens when you take your eye off the ball.

You've come in fast and late with your usual sprinkling of confetti, which has about as much substance as confetti.

I have canvassed long and full on this post I started about the threat to the world that ISIL represents.

The main thrust of my argument is that ISIL is carrying out Genocide in the Middle East.

When the Coalition withdrew from Iraq, we did so with indecent haste and without ensuring that the instruments of steady Government were there.

This created a power vacuum, which ISIL which was   entrenched in  Syria saw an opportunity to act.

Act they did, they have carried out mass genocide on innocent people both Christian and Muslim alike the latter if they don't switch to ISIL's version of Islam.

Also members of the Australian Muslim Community are volunteering to go to Syria and Iraq to join up with ISIL and follow their Jihad. Later these fighters come back to Australia where they infect the mainstream Muslim Community here with ISIL's message of hate against us infidels.

We are morally bound to help Iraq which is under siege from ISIL as is the U.S. and other members of the Coalition of the Willing.

We need to go back and finish the job and totally destroy ISIL.

The raising of the Security level here is totally warranted, the enemy are already within the walls.

Karnal wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

A head-hacker once managed to get into.Buckingham Palace. He snuck past the Beefeaters, all the security guards, SAS snipers, etc, He climbed up a wall and made it into Lizzie’s own bedroom.

It was on the news last night: An intruder scaled the fence of Buckingham Palace and made it all the way across the wide space before slipping in through a door, at which point the alarm was raised.

A CCTV camera showed a couple of negro security guards rushing from the outer fence across the wide compound to play 'catch-up' with the intruder who was by then already within the palace.

An immediate sacking would be my response to their slack performance, but this won't happen of course, because of white paranoia about being accused of racism.

Karnal wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

cods wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 9:43am: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 2:23pm: Personally, if I was living that close to the epicentre of this latest saga in 'The Story of Muslims in Australia', I would be digging a bomb-shelter in the backyard and lining the walls with my Dead Cats for heat-insulation and sound-proofing. think how lucky you are not to live in Canberra where the main event was planned to take place... its only up the road from where I live..it would be like a great big BBQ on the hill... I would like to tell you thank god for the AFP who have now taken the place over from wannabee body builders...but best not to put more worries into you day herb... just be happy you dont live in ACT.. how deep is a bomb shelter??? I might get quotes. A head-hacking planned in Canberra, you say? How sinister. I’m surprised the Libs didn’t let them loose on Clive Palmer.

goes to show you dont read the news......the reason they raided when they did and not when they wanted too, was because of the news it was Canberra head office [parliament[they were after...

you must read your news more often.... as for Palmer..

where the hell is he?>maybe lambie has had her way with him and he is in recovery....errrrrrrrk...

anyway he has suddenly become invisible I thought  it  was only shorten that did that in time of emergency, ;D ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:02am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:39pm: A head-hacker once managed to get into.Buckingham Palace. He snuck past the Beefeaters, all the security guards, SAS snipers, etc, He climbed up a wall and made it into Lizzie’s own bedroom. It was on the news last night: An intruder scaled the fence of Buckingham Palace and made it all the way across the wide space before slipping in through a door, at which point the alarm was raised. A CCTV camera showed a couple of negro security guards rushing from the outer fence across the wide compound to play 'catch-up' with the intruder who was by then already within the palace. An immediate sacking would be my response to their slack performance, but this won't happen of course, because of white paranoia about being accused of racism.

Good to know, Herbie. It was’t the white head-hacker’s fault, it was the negro security guards all along.

And we all know the negros were Muslims.

Cunning, no?

I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination ~~ and to pepper the Queen's staff with a few visible African types in order to keep the Homies in their East London ghetto from becoming too fractious and vocal as happened when one of their more recidivist drug-dealers got shot.

red baron wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:24am:

You see John, this is what happens when you take your eye off the ball. You've come in fast and late with your usual sprinkling of confetti, which has about as much substance as confetti. I have canvassed long and full on this post I started about the threat to the world that ISIL represents. The main thrust of my argument is that ISIL is carrying out Genocide in the Middle East. When the Coalition withdrew from Iraq, we did so with indecent haste and without ensuring that the instruments of steady Government were there. This created a power vacuum, which ISIL which was   entrenched in  Syria saw an opportunity to act. Act they did, they have carried out mass genocide on innocent people both Christian and Muslim alike the latter if they don't switch to ISIL's version of Islam. Also members of the Australian Muslim Community are volunteering to go to Syria and Iraq to join up with ISIL and follow their Jihad. Later these fighters come back to Australia where they infect the mainstream Muslim Community here with ISIL's message of hate against us infidels. We are morally bound to help Iraq which is under siege from ISIL as is the U.S. and other members of the Coalition of the Willing. We need to go back and finish the job and totally destroy ISIL. The raising of the Security level here is totally warranted, the enemy are already within the walls.

I'm not sure why you think I care about your opinion?? You've already proven that your a gullible fool who believes the crap the media feeds him when you voted for Abbott. You believed all the crap he gave you pre election ... you were warned many times but refused to listen to the facts...  and you were one of the first of the pre election rusted on's to complain about him after the election. Why would I think your powers of thinking for yourself and reasoning and have improved?

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 2:22pm:

I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination ~~ and to pepper the Queen's staff with a few visible African types in order to keep the Homies in their East London ghetto from becoming too fractious and vocal as happened when one of their more recidivist drug-dealers got shot.

and you'd lose that bet .... those guards had nothing to do with the Queen ....

it was the white house you twat :D :D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 2:22pm:

I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination

Me too, Herbie. I’ll raise your birdcage and bet you Lizzie’s security chief was taken out of Eton and given that job as a favour to a friend from the polo club.

I blame Islam

red baron wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:24am:

You see John, this is what happens when you take your eye off the ball. You've come in fast and late with your usual sprinkling of confetti, which has about as much substance as confetti. I have canvassed long and full on this post I started about the threat to the world that ISIL represents. The main thrust of my argument is that ISIL is carrying out Genocide in the Middle East. When the Coalition withdrew from Iraq, we did so with indecent haste and without ensuring that the instruments of steady Government were there. This created a power vacuum, which ISIL which was   entrenched in  Syria saw an opportunity to act. Act they did, they have carried out mass genocide on innocent people both Christian and Muslim alike the latter if they don't switch to ISIL's version of Islam. Also members of the Australian Muslim Community are volunteering to go to Syria and Iraq to join up with ISIL and follow their Jihad. Later these fighters come back to Australia where they infect the mainstream Muslim Community here with ISIL's message of hate against us infidels. We are morally bound to help Iraq which is under siege from ISIL as is the U.S. and other members of the Coalition of the Willing. We need to go back and finish the job and totally destroy ISIL. The raising of the Security level here is totally warranted, the enemy are already within the walls.

Fair dinkum, Mr Baron.  I really can't believe how you just parrot old news and present it as something no-one has ever heard.............less than a zillion times.  It's so easy to do, and you do it, yet you seem not to be aware that there is no point re-inventing the wheel.

Really, Aussie? You can’t believe it?

Karnal wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Really, Aussie? You can’t believe it?

Don't know why its so hard to believe, its all Red and his ilk ever do !

Karnal wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Really, Aussie? You can’t believe it?

My tea leaves are broken.

Aussie wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:38pm: Really, Aussie? You can’t believe it? My tea leaves are broken.

therein lies your problem ... switch to coffee, you can't go wrong ;)

Karnal wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 2:22pm: I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination Me too, Herbie. I’ll raise your birdcage and bet you Lizzie’s security chief was taken out of Eton and given that job as a favour to a friend from the polo club. I blame Islam

sounds more  like the ALP and the union mafia... ;) ;)

John Smith wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 2:22pm: I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination ~~ and to pepper the Queen's staff with a few visible African types in order to keep the Homies in their East London ghetto from becoming too fractious and vocal as happened when one of their more recidivist drug-dealers got shot. and you'd lose that bet .... those guards had nothing to do with the Queen .... it was the white house you twat :D :D :D

Fargin Good One. Love It

Too True

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 2:22pm: I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination ~~ and to pepper the Queen's staff with a few visible African types in order to keep the Homies in their East London ghetto from becoming too fractious and vocal as happened when one of their more recidivist drug-dealers got shot. and you'd lose that bet .... those guards had nothing to do with the Queen .... it was the white house you twat :D :D :D

You shuddupa you face!

The White House.

That's what I said.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 2:22pm: I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination ~~ and to pepper the Queen's staff with a few visible African types in order to keep the Homies in their East London ghetto from becoming too fractious and vocal as happened when one of their more recidivist drug-dealers got shot. and you'd lose that bet .... those guards had nothing to do with the Queen .... it was the white house you twat :D :D :D You shuddupa you face! The White House. That's what I said.  8-)

don't get embarrassed. Everyone is used to you getting things wrong

I put that up for John Smith, who unfortunately slept in and missed the train on this subject Aussie.

When you have something positive to add to the conversation don't hesitate on logging in.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 2:22pm: I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination ~~ and to pepper the Queen's staff with a few visible African types in order to keep the Homies in their East London ghetto from becoming too fractious and vocal as happened when one of their more recidivist drug-dealers got shot. and you'd lose that bet .... those guards had nothing to do with the Queen .... it was the white house you twat :D :D :D You shuddupa you face! The White House. That's what I said.  8-)

there isnt a whole lot of difference... both are guarded by the elite..both have been made fools of.... does that make you feel good?????>...

:D :D :D :D

its bloody worry just quietly... if the Queen and Obama are not safe...doesnt say much for the rest of us..

cods wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 8:29am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 2:22pm: I'll bet a bird-cage to Buckingham Palace that those coloured lads were taken off the dole queue and given that job as an exercise in pro-active discrimination ~~ and to pepper the Queen's staff with a few visible African types in order to keep the Homies in their East London ghetto from becoming too fractious and vocal as happened when one of their more recidivist drug-dealers got shot. and you'd lose that bet .... those guards had nothing to do with the Queen .... it was the white house you twat :D :D :D You shuddupa you face! The White House. That's what I said.  8-) there isnt a whole lot of difference... both are guarded by the elite..both have been made fools of.... does that make you feel good?????>... :D :D :D :D its bloody worry just quietly... if the Queen and Obama are not safe...doesnt say much for the rest of us..

only a twit would say there is not a lot of difference ... next you'll tell me the taj mahal and the leaning tower of pizza are similar  :D :D :D :D

red baron wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 7:34am:

I put that up for John Smith, who unfortunately slept in and missed the train on this subject Aussie. When you have something positive to add to the conversation don't hesitate on logging in.

whats the matter Red? you can't read?


John Smith wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

I'm not sure why you think I care about your opinion?? You've already proven that your a gullible fool who believes the crap the media feeds him when you voted for Abbott. You believed all the crap he gave you pre election ... you were warned many times but refused to listen to the facts...  and you were one of the first of the pre election rusted on's to complain about him after the election. Why would I think your powers of thinking for yourself and reasoning and have improved?

was that not the answer you wanted? tough ....

Well said Smithy, a brilliantly thought out reply full of you usual insight and utter wit...dimwit that is.

red baron wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Well said Smithy, a brilliantly thought out reply full of you usual insight and utter wit...dimwit that is.

you left out the personal bits.... ::) ::)