A series of [~10 min] videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa, Syria

A series of videos showing the moslem hope, of a perfect/just society under the ISLAMIC Caliphate - present day Syria.




The Spread of the Caliphate: The Islamic State (Part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsCZzpmbEcs


Grooming Children for Jihad: The Islamic State (Part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzCAPJDAnQA


Enforcing Sharia in Raqqa: The Islamic State (Part 3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOaBNbdUbcA


Christians in the Caliphate: The Islamic State (Part 4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQwTOsh__0


Bulldozing the Border Between Iraq and Syria: The Islamic State (Part 5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxX_THjtXOw








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Abandon hope all ye who enter here


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Through me you pass into the city of woe: Through me you pass into eternal pain: Through me among the people lost for aye. Justice the founder of my fabric mov'd: To rear me was the task of power divine, Supremest wisdom, and primeval love. Before me things create were none, save things Eternal, and eternal I endure. All hope abandon ye who enter here. Such characters in colour dim I mark'd Over a portal's lofty arch inscrib'd: Whereat I thus: Master, these words import.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/abandon-hope-all-ye-who-enter-here.html

Yadda I'm absolutely positive you followed the forum rules and *DIDN'T* post a link to graphic material without providing a disclaimer.

Am I right??

what a bunch of stone age goat fkers stuck in the past unable to move into this century, bury them alive in a pigs carcass.

I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports.

Anyone watch media watch few days ago?

They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes.

Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists.

wally1 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Anyone watch media watch few days ago? They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes. Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists.

that is so good to know.. now when James and Steve arrive home for CHrissy we will all hang our heads in shame for thinking bad stuff about muslims...

goodness me  I keep paying some fortune teller for the winning lotto numbers....so far all been duds can I ask for my money back???...

I will borrow your crystal ball if you dont mind...it seems to only tell the truth after all.

I never saw those MASSIVE FRONT PAGES EITHER....and I do buy the old pape.. I am sure a shooting at an aussie plane even a false one would have made the paper I read..or at least been on my TV... ::) ::)


It was the very first flight and the Americans flying top cover reported that small arms fire came up at the plane after it completed its pass,” a source close to the US-led operation said today.
“The fire was not observed by the Australian crew and they were unaware of it until they were informed later by the Americans.”

http://www.news.com.au/national/isis-rebels-shoot-at-raaf-c130-hercules-with-australians-on-board/story-fncynjr2-1227044300309

for the board NAZi aussie. ;D ;D ;D


that was HEADLINES...

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:38am: Anyone watch media watch few days ago? They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes. Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists. that is so good to know.. now when James and Steve arrive home for CHrissy we will all hang our heads in shame for thinking bad stuff about muslims... goodness me  I keep paying some fortune teller for the winning lotto numbers....so far all been duds can I ask for my money back???... I will borrow your crystal ball if you dont mind...it seems to only tell the truth after all. I never saw those MASSIVE FRONT PAGES EITHER....and I do buy the old pape.. I am sure a shooting at an aussie plane even a false one would have made the paper I read..or at least been on my TV... ::) ::) It was the very first flight and the Americans flying top cover reported that small arms fire came up at the plane after it completed its pass,” a source close to the US-led operation said today. “The fire was not observed by the Australian crew and they were unaware of it until they were informed later by the Americans.” http://www.news.com.au/national/isis-rebels-shoot-at-raaf-c130-hercules-with-australians-on-board/story-fncynjr2-1227044300309 for the board NAZi aussie. ;D ;D ;D that was HEADLINES...

Plane landed in Kurdish controlled areas, no isis there.The only reports was that they heard gun fire in the area.

Oh ok, America told them, thats right, americans are always right.

Wally, Gandy, Brain/Breath, PB,

I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports.

Please explain.

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Wally, Gandy, Brain/Breath, PB, I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain.

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this S. You've posted almost nothing else the last week.

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Wally, Gandy, Brain/Breath, PB, I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain.

Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos?    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

The clue might be that IS is busying chopping the heads off fellow Muslims?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am: Wally, Gandy, Brain/Breath, PB, I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this S. You've posted almost nothing else the last week.

It's biggish news, no?

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am: Wally, Gandy, Brain/Breath, PB, I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain. Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos?

Er... they are about the.. er... ISLAMIC State.

Did that bit elude you?

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:22am: Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am: Wally, Gandy, Brain/Breath, PB, I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain. Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos?    Er... they are about the.. er... ISLAMIC State. Did that bit elude you?

What was it Brian said about labels and looking beyond them?  Do you always judge a book just by looking at the cover?

I suppose if I was to wear a keffiyeh you'd think I was an Palestinian?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/images/articles/2008_05/1082/u1_PALESTINIAN_Scarf.gif

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am: Wally, Gandy, Brain/Breath, PB, I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this S. You've posted almost nothing else the last week.

The old boy is obsessed with showing how every Muslim crime has, at its inception, the orders of prophet Muhammed.

Whereas every Christian crime is just crime because Jesus said to turn the other cheek.

Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. Muslims are programmed (but cunning) automatons acting on 1300 year old instructions.

Am I on the right track, old chap?

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain.

Well I could (for the upteenth time) give you the usual theology lesson on islamic law to demonstrate why they are wrong. But perhaps you should be looking at it this way S:

When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic", you probably need to explain what is unislamic about these condemnations, and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:38am: Anyone watch media watch few days ago? They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes. Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists. that is so good to know.. now when James and Steve arrive home for CHrissy we will all hang our heads in shame for thinking bad stuff about muslims... goodness me  I keep paying some fortune teller for the winning lotto numbers....so far all been duds can I ask for my money back???...

I'm not sure, dear. Every time Red's asked for a refund, he seems to disappear.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am: I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain. Well I could (for the upteenth time) give you the usual theology lesson on islamic law to demonstrate why they are wrong. But perhaps you should be looking at it this way S: When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic", you probably need to explain what is unislamic about these condemnations, and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.

We've all asked Y how his own views are in any way "Christian".

Y usually reponds with abuse, backed up with quotes from Leviticus.

Y admits that his views are not "Christian" in the churchy, ecumenical sense of the word. Y describes his version as "eccentric".

Jolly Y.

wally1 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Anyone watch media watch few days ago? They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes. Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists.

So ISIS is being misrepresented by fake videos.


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Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos?

Chopping people's heads off is Islamic. Muhammed was fond of the practice. Has ISIS surpassed Muhammed's record of 800 Jews in one day yet? MMight be a bit hard seeing as so many of the Jews have already been run out of middle eastern countries.


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When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic"

And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh? They were just head hacking rapists posing as Muslims to make Islam look bad...


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and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.

Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there [sic] behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh?

over 400 thousand who are not - obviously nothing to do with islam?

And by the way - the latest figure I've heard is 60. And my understanding is most of them are not with ISIL


freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?

In Australia? I have no idea - do you? Presumably very small given the universal condemnation they get from the leaders who represent them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

Yadda I'm absolutely positive you followed the forum rules and *DIDN'T* post a link to graphic material without providing a disclaimer. Am I right??

gandalf,

Clearly i should have stated in my OP that in part 1 goto 6m 25s there are dead, headless bodies shown.

The Spread of the Caliphate: The Islamic State (Part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsCZzpmbEcs


Not providing notice of that content, was an oversight.      And i apologise for that.

Also, somewhere in the series of 'Islamic State' videos, a crucified dead body of a man is also displayed.






wally1 [see wally1 post #4],

In your opinion, did ISIS do anything wrong in beheading their captured enemies ?

Or is it your opinion that the The Islamic State (Part 1) video is simply portraying fake dead, headless bodies ?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm: And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there [sic] behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh? over 400 thousand who are not - obviously nothing to do with islam? And by the way - the latest figure I've heard is 60. And my understanding is most of them are not with ISIL freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm: Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS? In Australia? I have no idea - do you? Presumably very small given the universal condemnation they get from the leaders who represent them.

LOL


"the leaders who represent them [the moslem community in Australia]."

....are simply 'flags' in the 'current political wind'.




"the leaders who represent them [the moslem community in Australia]."

....are simply self-serving political wanna-be's.




THE TRUTH;
If ISIS were to take power here in Australia, tomorrow, each one of those moslem community leaders in Australia would be falling over each other to declare their unwavering allegiance to Allah and to ISIS.

Google;
Taqiyya

The God of truth, will destroy, all such infidels.





Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit


How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war


Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"






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"A Study in Muslim Doctrine ...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine






Taqiyya
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
google

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic",

Are these the same muslims who auctioned the IS flag?



polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers

Can you prove it is "only a tiny minority"?


polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.

Links to the above please.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:38am: Anyone watch media watch few days ago? They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes. Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists. So ISIS is being misrepresented by fake videos. Quote: Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos? Chopping people's heads off is Islamic. Muhammed was fond of the practice. Has ISIS surpassed Muhammed's record of 800 Jews in one day yet? MMight be a bit hard seeing as so many of the Jews have already been run out of middle eastern countries. [quote]When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic"

And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh? They were just head hacking rapists posing as Muslims to make Islam look bad...


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and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.

Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?[/quote]

100 is there? Last week it was 150, this week 60.

All they ever show is two aussie muslims in syria, sharrouf and elomar, they never show anybody else, maybe because there is nobody else there.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am: I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports. Please explain. Well I could (for the upteenth time) give you the usual theology lesson on islamic law to demonstrate why they are wrong. But perhaps you should be looking at it this way S: When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic", you probably need to explain what is unislamic about these condemnations, and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.

The 'caliph' has a PhD in islamic theology.
Some leaders of the 'vast majority' here would rather boycott a meeting with the PM than be seen or heard to condemn the IS.
None of the IS words and action deviate from Islamic doctrines or countless historical precedents. IS is not cult, not a newfangled invention. It is a return to source.
Take be headings. In the age of automatic firearms, beheading is a ritual. The ritual return to source, to the word of the Koran. That is the only reason why islamists from anywhere, including Australia, do it.

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports.

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Quote: Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos? Chopping people's heads off is Islamic.

The video shows that some enemy soldiers had been executed.

Is there anything wrong with that (bearing in mind that even the Geneva Conventions permit this is in certain circumstances)?

Those soldiers were seen as brutal oppressive foreign invaders by the locals, and it is not really all that surprising that there was an appetite to lop off their heads in those circumstances.

Imagine what would happen in Australia if we got our hands on Chinese soldiers  who had been robbing locals and raping their women?

It is true that Islam permits, in some circumstances, executing enemy soldiers, but so too does the Geneva Conventions which the Australian Government is a signatory to.








freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

so many of the Jews have already been run out of middle eastern countries.

Run out by themselves?

Did Mossad scare them out of Arab countries?

http://azvsas.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/the-zionist-destruction-of-iraqi-jewish.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950–51_Baghdad_bombings

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?

No.  Do you, FD?  I suspect not.


freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

So, please explain how what you're doing isn't "alienating the entire Muslim community" by implying support for ISIS is widespread?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm: Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS? No.  Do you, FD?

But of course. The answer is 100%, as decreed by their sinister prophet who ordered ISIS into being back in the old days. Also:

He ordered that Jew to be tortured for his gold.

He married Aisha.

He executed prisoners of war.

And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for FD.

wally1 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

100 is there? Last week it was 150, this week 60.

I have no idea where these figures are coming from - FD doesn't either, but he'll pretend his magic 100 figure is rock solid. '100' has a certain ring to it you have to admit.

David Irving the other night would only confirm that its "10s" of Australians. So who knows where News ltd is getting their figures from. It is also incorrect to say (as some media have) that all 60/100/150 are fighting for ISIL. Most are fighting for ISIL enemies like Al Nusra.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm: Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS? No.  Do you, FD?  I suspect not. freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2007 at 5:56pm: What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism. So, please explain how what you're doing isn't "alienating the entire Muslim community" by implying support for ISIS is widespread?   ::)

Nonsense Brian, FD's just asking the question - he means nothing by it.

Sometimes I question is just a question you know.

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:20pm:

[quote author=gandalf link=1410213238/14#14 date=1410317868] The 'caliph' has a PhD in islamic theology.

Maybe he does, I don't know if you are being serious, but it wouldn't matter if he does.

Does it mean all muslims who have PhD's in islamic theology support his head-hacking views? Of course it doesn't - not even remotely.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:20pm: [quote author=gandalf link=1410213238/14#14 date=1410317868] The 'caliph' has a PhD in islamic theology. Maybe he does, I don't know if you are being serious, but it wouldn't matter if he does. Does it mean all muslims who have PhD's in islamic theology support his head-hacking views? Of course it doesn't - not even remotely.

What does it mean then, to have a PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic university of Baghdad?
That he is a Foucauldian post-structuralist queer theorist or that he is a doctor of Islamic studies?

Just a tiny minority.

Palestinian Areas. A poll in 2011 showed that 32% of Palestinians supported the brutal murder of five Israeli family members, including a three-month-old baby. In 2009, a poll showed that 78% of Palestinians had positive or mixed feelings about Osama Bin Laden. A 2013 poll showed 40% of Palestinians supporting suicide bombings and attacks against civilians. 89% favored sharia law. Currently, 89% of Palestinians support terror attacks on Israel.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority

“Some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.”

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/staggering-statistics-on-muslims-killing-muslims-2/

http://chromatism.net/bloodyborders/mapsumma.htm

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:31am: Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:20pm: [quote author=gandalf link=1410213238/14#14 date=1410317868] The 'caliph' has a PhD in islamic theology. Maybe he does, I don't know if you are being serious, but it wouldn't matter if he does. Does it mean all muslims who have PhD's in islamic theology support his head-hacking views? Of course it doesn't - not even remotely. What does it mean then, to have a PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic university of Baghdad? That he is a Foucauldian post-structuralist queer theorist or that he is a doctor of Islamic studies?

Oh, he applied for a job at the Faculty, dear. Didn’t meet the criteria, I’m afraid.

Excellent credentials, good references,  but an appalling knowledge of Pakistani critical theory and exegesis.

Between you and me, he may have been a tad over qualified.

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:31am: Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:20pm: [quote author=gandalf link=1410213238/14#14 date=1410317868] The 'caliph' has a PhD in islamic theology. Maybe he does, I don't know if you are being serious, but it wouldn't matter if he does. Does it mean all muslims who have PhD's in islamic theology support his head-hacking views? Of course it doesn't - not even remotely. What does it mean then, to have a PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic university of Baghdad? That he is a Foucauldian post-structuralist queer theorist or that he is a doctor of Islamic studies?

Why do you assume that means he is advocating what could be considered mainstream Islamic beliefs?  I am sure plenty of PhDs write theses about extremist viewpoints they personally believe!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

What does it mean then, to have a PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic university of Baghdad? That he is a Foucauldian post-structuralist queer theorist or that he is a doctor of Islamic studies?

I have no idea what a Foucauldian post-structuralist queer theorist is, but your point is still invalid. There have been several prominent historians who have PhD's from reputable universities who deny the holocaust - does that mean we automatically assume they speak the truth of the matter? Of course not - because to do so would be to completely reject the overwhelming majority of scholars who reject the denialist thesis.

Why should islam be any different? The majority of sunni scholars reject Baghdadi's version of islam and his declared caliphate - fact. Baghdadi therefore becomes relegated to the "loony fringe" category, and therefore laughed out of court - just like the holocaust deniers.

ISIL is reportedly trying to alter the Quran to remove passages giving rights to non-muslims. Do you think the majority of muslims would support this - just because it comes from a guy who has "a PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic university of Baghdad"? You should ask Baron - thats been a favourite theme of his - the fact that muslims will never tolerate the quran being altered because it is the divine word of God.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

the fact that muslims will never tolerate the quran being altered because it is the divine word of God.

Its not tho is it Gandalf?

Adamant wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 11:44am: the fact that muslims will never tolerate the quran being altered because it is the divine word of God. Its not tho is it Gandalf?

Hey, some people believe in Bilbo Baggins and Luke Skywalker.  Some people believe in Jesus Christ.  Are you going to disillusion them?    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

I wonder whether the people who so upset that IS executed enemy fighters would also be upset about Breaker Morant executing Boer prisoners, the Australian soldiers who massacred villagers in Palestine in WWI or this:


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Claims Australians executed prisoners in WWI engagement Thursday 11 September 2014 One hundred years ago today, Australians took part in one of the first engagements of World War One, the Battle of Bitapaka in Papua New Guinea. Now a recently discovered eyewitness account appears to confirm rumours of Australian soldiers executing prisoners there. New claims have emerged about the execution of German and Papua New Guinean prisoners by Australian servicemen during Australia’s first WWI battle, which occurred on this day 100 years ago. Six Australians, one German soldier, and 30 Papua New Guinean policemen were officially listed as killed when the Australian Naval and Military Expeditionary Force landed near the town of Rabaul, in what was then German New Guinea on 11 September 1914. The Australian forces were sent to New Guinea to destroy the German telegraph station at a place called Bitapaka. For years, there have been rumours of executions by the Australians after the battle of Bitapaka, and now an old tape recording of a witness appears to confirm them. The eye witness, an elder in the village of Kabakaul, said he saw the Australians come ashore, and he described the execution of two white men and a number of native police. ‘Then a big man of war said “fire” and they all died,’ said the man identified on the tape as Bob, speaking in the Tok Pisin language. ‘They shot all the men who were lined up on one side. Only one boy was alright, a young boy such as this, he ran away. So they all died and the trench they dug was full with dead bodies.’ The recording was made in the 1960s by a plantation owner Ian Purvis, who was living near Rabaul. His wife Irene found the tapes when she was sorting through boxes after Purvis died. ‘He knew a lot about the history of the place and was interested in all these things and was keen to make some record of it,’ said Mrs Purvis. ‘The man he spoke to he referred to as Old Bob, and of course he was pretty old then, and I'm not sure of his age, but as a young boy he witnessed everything that went on.’ Old Bob, the elder from Kabakaul Village, describes seeing the Australian soldiers come ashore and march towards the German trenches on the Bitapaka Road. During the battle, a German Sergeant Ritter was captured, but afterwards rallied some local police and resumed the fight, killing one Australian and wounding a number of others. Official accounts say that Ritter was killed during that fight, but Bob, told Mr Purvis he was executed afterwards, along with the native police. ‘They tricked the German police boys,’ Bob told Ian Purvis in the interview, translated from Tok Pisin. ‘They said “there’s no more war” and asked them to come forward.’ ‘The English stood on one side and they stood on the opposite side [with] the two white men that I spoke about before, a police officer and Mr Ritter. The two white men and all the police boys, the English shot them. Their bodies filled the hole; the two white men lay there with them. Later, they took the white men’s bodies to Rabaul, but the police boys remained there.’ Melbourne historian David Howell says he has heard reports that Sergeant Ritter and the police were executed for trying to continue the fight after surrendering. ‘I wasn't aware a second white person being killed by Bond, but that’s not to say it didn't happen. There is still plenty of research to be done on this subject.’ In all, six Australians are listed as being killed in the battle of Bitapaka on the 11th of September 1914: Able Seaman John Courtney, Able Seaman William Williams, Able Seaman Harry Street, Able Seaman Robert Moffatt, Lieutenant Commander Charles Elwell and Captain Brian Pockley. Three days later, on September 14, the Australian submarine AE1 vanished off Rabaul with the loss of all hands. Officially, one German soldier and 30 native police are listed as being killed in the battle of Bitapaka. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/claims-of-australian-war-crimes-in-first-wwi-engagement/5734180

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

ISIL is reportedly trying to alter the Quran to remove passages giving rights to non-muslims. Do you think the majority of muslims would support this - just because it comes from a guy who has "a PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic university of Baghdad"? You should ask Baron - thats been a favourite theme of his - the fact that muslims will never tolerate the quran being altered because it is the divine word of God.

The quran has been altered,Bukhari said the verse on stoning had been revealed and read so where is it,why is it missing from the Quran?

Did the verse on stoning and breastfeeding an adult 10 times end up as sheep manure?
Who gave Uthman authority to make the Quran into a book, divine origins my ass!

Allah says Islam has been perfected in 5/3,if Islam has been perfected as Allah claimed then why do muslims never agree on anything from the niqab to Islamic terror,why do muslims kill each other over disagreements resulting from this religion Allah claims has been perfected.


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Allah speaking- This day i have perfected for you your religion and completed my favour upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. quran.com/5/3

Muslims think Islam is the perfect religion, they must be delusional.

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It is true that Islam permits, in some circumstances, executing enemy soldiers, but so too does the Geneva Conventions which the Australian Government is a signatory to.

Islam permits the execution of enemy soldiers when it is convenient.


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Run out by themselves? Did Mossad scare them out of Arab countries?

They were forced out by Muslims. Muhammed himself achieved this in part and directly encouraged the 'final solution'.


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David Irving the other night would only confirm that its "10s" of Australians. So who knows where News ltd is getting their figures from. It is also incorrect to say (as some media have) that all 60/100/150 are fighting for ISIL. Most are fighting for ISIL enemies like Al Nusra.

Ah, they are fighting for a different bunch of islamic terrorists. I guess that's OK then.


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Why should islam be any different? The majority of sunni scholars reject Baghdadi's version of islam and his declared caliphate - fact. Baghdadi therefore becomes relegated to the "loony fringe" category, and therefore laughed out of court - just like the holocaust deniers.

Not necessarily. Those scholars probably reject most of each others' versions of Islam, which would make his merely one of many versions.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:08pm: 100 is there? Last week it was 150, this week 60. I have no idea where these figures are coming from - FD doesn't either, but he'll pretend his magic 100 figure is rock solid. '100' has a certain ring to it you have to admit. David Irving the other night would only confirm that its "10s" of Australians. So who knows where News ltd is getting their figures from. It is also incorrect to say (as some media have) that all 60/100/150 are fighting for ISIL. Most are fighting for ISIL enemies like Al Nusra.

I think you'll find the outgoing head of ASIO's name is David Irvine, not David Irving, Gandalf.   David Irving is the notorious Holocaust Denier.   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:24am:

Nonsense Brian, FD's just asking the question - he means nothing by it. Sometimes I question is just a question you know.

Really?  Somehow I doubt it.  FD never asked a question without an ulterior motive behind it.   ::)

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

I guess that's OK then.

Yes FD, thats exactly what I said  :P

Look back at my posts on Syria from about a year back. I was pretty much a lone voice calling for the US and others to stop their support for the rebels in view of the fact that it was mostly going towards Al Nusra - the then dominant islamist terrorist group. Now much of that weaponry is in the hands of an even worse bunch - ISIL.


freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Not necessarily. Those scholars probably reject most of each others' versions of Islam, which would make his merely one of many versions.

You are just proving my point. Unless you are seriously arguing that "one of many versions" is somehow the only valid version.

Adamant wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Just a tiny minority. Palestinian Areas. A poll in 2011 showed that 32% of Palestinians supported the brutal murder of five Israeli family members, including a three-month-old baby. In 2009, a poll showed that 78% of Palestinians had positive or mixed feelings about Osama Bin Laden. A 2013 poll showed 40% of Palestinians supporting suicide bombings and attacks against civilians. 89% favored sharia law. Currently, 89% of Palestinians support terror attacks on Israel. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority “Some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.” http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/staggering-statistics-on-muslims-killing-muslims-2/ http://chromatism.net/bloodyborders/mapsumma.htm

Got any surveys more recent, Adamant or is old stuff the best you can come up with?   ::)

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Look back at my posts on Syria from about a year back. I was pretty much a lone voice calling for the US and others to stop their support for the rebels in view of the fact that it was mostly going towards Al Nusra - the then dominant islamist terrorist group. Now much of that weaponry is in the hands of an even worse bunch - ISIL.

Most commentators suggest that more support for the more moderate rebels would have made it harder for ISIS, not easier.


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You are just proving my point. Unless you are seriously arguing that "one of many versions" is somehow the only valid version.

Do you think ISIS is a valid expression of Islam?

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

Most commentators suggest that more support for the more moderate rebels would have made it harder for ISIS, not easier.

Crap. The islamists had thoroughly infiltrated and dominated the rebels that were presenting themselves for western aid. Sending more weapons would only mean more weapons going to the islamists - since the west had no way of ensuring their aid went only to the secularist/moderates.

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

Most commentators suggest that more support for the more moderate rebels would have made it harder for ISIS, not easier.

What is "moderate"? Does that mean somebody who is compliant to the US demands?

Just like the other day, Murdoch media labelled Muslim leaders who refused to meet Abbott as "extremist". However, whoever does what Abbott wants is a "moderate" according to Murdoch.

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Look back at my posts on Syria from about a year back. I was pretty much a lone voice calling for the US and others to stop their support for the rebels in view of the fact that it was mostly going towards Al Nusra - the then dominant islamist terrorist group. Now much of that weaponry is in the hands of an even worse bunch - ISIL.

Precisely!



freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

Most commentators suggest that more support for the more moderate rebels would have made it harder for ISIS, not easier.

Duh!  Duh!  Duh!





FD,

There are no 'moderate rebels' whom we should be helping, imo.

FD,

And you are still exhibiting some naivety, imo, if you believe that there is - ANYONE - in the moslem camp, that we [non-moslems] can help, to our own advantage, or to our own safety.

Such an outcome [helping moslems = beneficial outcome] is not possible.

Any aid we direct towards any moslem entity, will inevitably and eventually be directed back, against ourselves.

That is what ISLAM teaches moslems to do, with their strength.




The only type of relationship with disbelievers which is permitted by ISLAM, is a relationship which is based upon deceit and lying, towards those who are not moslems, so as to advance and strengthen the interests of moslems and ISLAM.

e.g.

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July 28, 2006 Islamic Dictionary for Infidels ...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.php


AND.....


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"A Study in Muslim Doctrine ...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine




We should not be giving aid to - ANY - moslem entity.

Such an action [to aid or to 'relieve' moslems] is in effect, giving resources to a cancer in our own body, to aid the cancer to grow, so that the cancer can overwhelm, and kill our body.

And, ISLAM - does - intend to, and want to, kill our 'body'!


FD,

I am still shocked at your naivety towards 'moderate' moslems.

When will 'you people' finally acknowledge and confront the truth about what ISLAM is........? !!!!!!!!!!!

When will you finally acknowledge and confront the truth that there are no 'moderate moslems' [...that we can help].

Because there is no 'moderate' ISLAM.

To help, to assist, and to give aid to moslems, is to empower what ISLAM is !




There is no 'moderate' ISLAM.

There is only what ISLAM is!!!!

Which is, an uncompromising and violent militant philosophy, which calls for enmity and warfare against those who are not moslems, and against those who resist the 'preordained' moslem destiny, of moslem and ISLAMIC supremacy over all mankind.




FD,

When will 'you people' finally acknowledge and confront the truth !

You can't 'domesticate' a 4 metre salt-water crocodile!!!!!

And that is what the 20cm salt-water crocodile [which exists within all Western nation jurisdictions, as a 'moslem community'!!!] will grow into!

Why so ???

Because, doctrinally, it is unlawful [in ISLAM], for a moslem to have a peaceful relationship with a non-moslem individual or entity.

Because, doctrinally, it is unlawful [in ISLAM], for a moslem to seek to establish a peaceful relationship with a non-moslem individual or entity.

Such a relationship [between a moslem and a non-moslem] is VERBOTEN - by ISLAM!!!i

WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING, REGARDS OUR 'RELATIONSHIP' WITH MOSLEMS ?

We [the non-moslem world] should be seeking to separate ourselves from moslems, in every way that we can.

Why so ???

Because ISLAM is, in effect, a cancer upon the human psyche.

Let moslems have [embrace] that choice!

But for ourselves, we should be detaining and expelling [from our shores] everyone who self-declares as moslem, imo.

And we should definitely be 'containing' the moslem menace [within their own moslem lands], and yes, allowing moslems to manage their own societies, as they see fit.

And if any moslem entity directly threatens us [with any real threat], we should then respond decisively against that moslem entity.

There is no such 'creature' as a 'moderate moslem'.

The moslem [i.e. what a moslem is], is defined by what ISLAM itself is.

And, by what ISLAM promotes and encourages in the world.

And there is no 'moderate' ISLAM.

ISLAM is an uncompromising and violent militant philosophy, which calls for enmity and unending warfare against those who are not moslems, and against those who resist the 'preordained' moslem destiny, of moslem and ISLAMIC supremacy over all mankind.iJust examine the religious philosophy societal philosophy which all moslems endorse and have choosen to embrace and to empower!!!.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196


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ISLAM should be a declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia, imo.

Any person who self declares as a 'moslem' should be expelled from Australia, or, [for the national security and safety of Australia] lawfully held in internment until they can be removed from Australia.





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Ishaq:231  ----->


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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google




A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Yadda wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 1:01am:

There is no such 'creature' as a 'moderate moslem'.

Nope, no bigotry there at all, is there, Y?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 1:02am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 1:01am: There is no such 'creature' as a 'moderate moslem'. Nope, no bigotry there at all, is there, Y?   ::)

Take your deception and your unwillingness to confront what is true about ISLAM, somewhere else, brian.

It comes across as worn out and stale, here.








Moslems are all lying, deceitful, dogs.



"The face of terror...not the true faith of Islam.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340106973/4#4

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THE FALLACY; NOT ALL MOSLEMS ARE 'BAD' PEOPLE ? How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<..... "I am a moslem!" .....is unaware of what the principle tenets and laws of ISLAM are ? How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<..... "I am a moslem!" .....is unaware of how mainstream ISLAM regards, and portrays non-moslems, i.e. as criminals [BECAUSE, they are not moslems, BECAUSE, they choose to reject ISLAM] ? i.e. Q. If [individual] moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, murderous philosophy which ISLAM clearly is ? Q. If moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ? Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ? How credible is such a claim ? How credible is it that a >> devout moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? e.g. The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah is that; THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE BETWEEN MOSLEMS AND UNBELIEVERS. And that there can only ever be a never ending warfare against 'unbelievers', .........or, a hidden enmity, whenever the 'unbelievers' are are stronger than moslems.

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:45pm: Most commentators suggest that more support for the more moderate rebels would have made it harder for ISIS, not easier. What is "moderate"? Does that mean somebody who is compliant to the US demands? Just like the other day, Murdoch media labelled Muslim leaders who refused to meet Abbott as "extremist". However, whoever does what Abbott wants is a "moderate" according to Murdoch.

Yeah, tell us. Who IS a moderate if not those who are prepared to work for their own country's interests?

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

A series of [~10 min] videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa, Syria A series of videos showing the moslem hope, of a perfect/just society under the ISLAMIC Caliphate - present day Syria. The Spread of the Caliphate: The Islamic State (Part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsCZzpmbEcs Grooming Children for Jihad: The Islamic State (Part 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzCAPJDAnQA Enforcing Sharia in Raqqa: The Islamic State (Part 3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOaBNbdUbcA Christians in the Caliphate: The Islamic State (Part 4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQwTOsh__0 Bulldozing the Border Between Iraq and Syria: The Islamic State (Part 5) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxX_THjtXOw

[I must warn you, that in part 1 of 'The Islamic State' video - goto 6m 25s - there are dead, headless bodies shown.

Also, somewhere in the series of 'The Islamic State' videos, a crucified dead body of a man is also displayed.]







QUESTION;
With respect to the video accounts [above] of life within the ISIS run Syrian city of Raqqa, why is it that the Vice News 'agency' did not describe the forced sex camps which contain captured women, sex camps which are being run by ISIS cadres, who are moslem women from Britain ??????





http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4202307.ece/alternates/s615/Aqsa-Mahmood.jpg

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood - running ISIS brothels, allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women - coz the Yazidi women are only non-moslems, after all.

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood, "said she wanted to behead Christians with a “blunt knife”."






Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165


Lovely people, moslems.                 :P

You can see these lovely, friendly, moslem women everyday, walking past us in our streets, and at the supermarket.

'ISLAM is peace!'             :P




Not all moslems are extremists you know!            :P

The only moslems who are extremists, are the ones that we don't know about, coz they are not here, in Australia.              :P



The only moslems who are extremists,             are the ones that live 'over there', and who commit atrocities - every day - against people who don't believe, as they [moslems] believe.

Honest!!!          :P








THE KORAN;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

If Islam is really the religion of peace it is Muslims not Western armies that need to defeat IS. If IS is distorting true Islam, Muslims should be at the forefront of defending it from such distortions.

But there is no news of Muslims from among the 'vast majority' volunteering to go over to Iraq and Syria and defend the religion of peace. There is news only of the 'tiny minority' going over and building the caliphate.

Everywhere you look, the 'tiny minority' is setting the Muslim agenda while the 'vast majority' is cowering opportunistically. If they were really such a 'vast majority', they would set the agenda.

Either the 'vast majority' are utter cowards or they are not much of a majority.

30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq. 

Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq

You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

But there is no news of Muslims from among the 'vast majority' volunteering to go over to Iraq and Syria and defend the religion of peace.

Yes Soren, the peaceful majority should be marching into Iraq and Syria to create yet more blood and destruction. Impeccable logic. :D

Actually I think you'll find that a majority of fighters from Australia are fighting for factions that oppose ISIL. The number of muslims fighting ISIL far outweighs the number fighting for them.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

The old boy was just saying, that's all.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:04pm: You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D The old boy was just saying, that's all.

He's very good at opening his mouth to insert his foot, isn't he?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 1:39pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:04pm: You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D The old boy was just saying, that's all. He's very good at opening his mouth to insert his foot, isn't he?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

He’d prefer to insert his own stool.

Miam miam.

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4202307.ece/alternates/s615/Aqsa-Mahmood.jpg

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood - running ISIS brothels, allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women.


Her mother, must be very proud of Aqsa Mahmood.                     :(

What would you say, Annie ?

And any comment from moslems, on the OzPol forum ?

"Allah Akbar!!!"         .....perhaps ?


???

Cat got your tongue ?





Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165

Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:45pm: Most commentators suggest that more support for the more moderate rebels would have made it harder for ISIS, not easier. What is "moderate"? Does that mean somebody who is compliant to the US demands? Just like the other day, Murdoch media labelled Muslim leaders who refused to meet Abbott as "extremist". However, whoever does what Abbott wants is a "moderate" according to Murdoch.

At the moment, anything left of the head hacking rapists from ISIS look moderate. Even Assad looks moderate. Al Nusra have been labelled a terrorist organisation, and I don't think there is much left of what was previously considered the moderates.

I don't think expecting Muslim leaders to meet with the PM to discuss anti-terror laws that will inevitably affect the Muslim community is too much to ask.


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Actually I think you'll find that a majority of fighters from Australia are fighting for factions that oppose ISIL. The number of muslims fighting ISIL far outweighs the number fighting for them.

I thought you said they were merely there to volunteer at refugee camps and rescue abandoned puppies.

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

At the moment, anything left of the head hacking rapists from ISIS look moderate.

So it is the method of killing that you oppose? When the US invaded Aghanistan in 2001, their Northern Alliance allies would herd prisoners into shipping containers in the middle of the desert, and then spray the containers with bullets.

Is the US moderate in its behaviour? The Millions of civilians that the US killed in Iraq, Vietnam, Japan? Was dropping nuclear bombs on Japanese cities "moderate"?

The term "moderate" really gets applied in strange ways sometimes.

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So it is the method of killing that you oppose?

Of course. And their method of raping. They aren't doing it properly.


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The term "moderate" really gets applied in strange ways sometimes.

It is a conspiracy to make genuine Muslims like ISIS look bad.

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Quote: So it is the method of killing that you oppose? Of course. And their method of raping. They aren't doing it properly. [quote]The term "moderate" really gets applied in strange ways sometimes.

It is a conspiracy to make genuine Muslims like ISIS look bad.[/quote]

Excuse me, the 2007 FD won’t stand for that sort of talk. You take that back. I distinctly remember him saying we shouldn’t tar all Muselmen with the same brush.

I don’t care if you’ve changed your mind or not. You have no right to make genuine Muselmen look bad, even just a little bit. We believe in Freeedom and demokracy for all the tinted races, even hideous Muselmen, as long as we get to decide on the level of tintedness , etc.

Agreed? We won’t have that sort of nonsense on a civilised board, thank you very much.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq.  Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Yes, yes, yes they are talking. Lemme know when they actually do something.

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:04pm: 30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq.  Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Yes, yes, yes they are talking. Lemme know when they actually do something.

Like the lovely Julie Bishop, eh?

Marvellous stuff.

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:04pm: 30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq.  Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Yes, yes, yes they are talking. Lemme know when they actually do something.

As always you move the goalposts when you find you're wrong Soren.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq.  Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq

These sunni vs shia battles have been going on for 1400 years, it started with the battle of the camel.

Of course if it was catholic vs protestant hb would be outraged.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:04pm: 30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq.  Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq These sunni vs shia battles have been going on for 1400 years, it started with the battle of the camel. Of course if it was catholic vs protestant hb would be outraged.

Do you always post such irrelevancies?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

I thought you said they were merely there to volunteer at refugee camps and rescue abandoned puppies.

You thought wrong.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 4:25pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:04pm: 30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq.  Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Yes, yes, yes they are talking. Lemme know when they actually do something. As always you move the goalposts when you find you're wrong Soren.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Have they gone or are they just talking about going, numpty?

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:31am: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 4:25pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:04pm: 30,000 Indian Shia Muslims Ready to Fight Isis 'Bare Handed' in Iraq.  Iran Calls on British Shiites to Join Fight Against Sunnis in Iraq You were saying Soren?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Yes, yes, yes they are talking. Lemme know when they actually do something. As always you move the goalposts when you find you're wrong Soren.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D Have they gone or are they just talking about going, numpty?

You only asked about volunteering:

Soren wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

But there is no news of Muslims from among the 'vast majority' volunteering to go over to Iraq and Syria and defend the religion of peace.

Caught again in your own web of lies Soren!  You moved the goalposts from "volunteering" to "travelling to."  Hoist on your own petard it seems.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Caught again in your own web of lies Soren!  You moved the goalposts from "volunteering" to "travelling to."  Hoist on your own petard it seems.

In this context, what's the difference, Brain?

You know nothing irritates me more than seeing a race/country/religion asserting their values on others.

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 16th, 2014 at 11:51am: Caught again in your own web of lies Soren!  You moved the goalposts from "volunteering" to "travelling to."  Hoist on your own petard it seems.  In this context, what's the difference, Brain?

I demand that you use my real name!  I am Freediver!  Until you do, I won't be replying to any more of your posts! 

I proved you moved the goalpost.  You got caught and proved wrong.  Typical bigoted behaviour though.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :P :P :P

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

You know nothing irritates me more than seeing a race/country/religion asserting their values on others.

Even your own?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D