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Jacqui Lambie's Indigenous heritage claims surprise members of Tasmania's Aboriginal community

Palmer United Party senator Jacqui Lambie may have landed herself in another dispute, this time with leaders of Tasmania's Aboriginal community.

The outspoken Senate newcomer claimed in her maiden speech last week that she is related to, if not descended from, a prominent Aboriginal resistance leader of north-eastern Tasmania.

"I acknowledge and pay my respects to Australia's Aboriginal traditional owners. I share their blood, culture and history through my mother's, Sue Lambie's, family," Senator Lambie said.

"We trace our history over six generations to celebrated Aboriginal chieftain of the Tasmania east coast, Mannalargenna."

Clyde Mansell, a community elder and acknowledged direct descendant of Mannalargenna, says that is news to him.

"That's my family," he said. "And she's not part of it."

Mr Mansell, who is also chair of the Aboriginal Land Council of Tasmania, branded Senator Lambie's claims as "absolutely outrageous and scandalous".

"They're totally unfounded," he said.

"There's no evidence that I'm aware of that would justify Jacqui Lambie standing up in the Australian Parliament and making those claims. She didn't have the right.

"There was no reference back to the community about whom she's making this ridiculous claim.

"She had no idea what she was saying and couldn't even pronounce the name [Mannalargenna] properly."

Conflicting family trees

Senator Lambie provided some documents to Australian Story on Monday afternoon.

A family tree indicates a lineage from one of Mannalargenna's granddaughters, Margaret (also known as Mary), who was the offspring of Mannalargenna's daughter Worretermoeteyenner and a sealer George Briggs who had abducted her.

But that is where things become complicated.

This key ancestor in Senator Lambie's family tree, Margaret Briggs, is said to have married a Thomas Hite, with the rest of the family emanating from them.

But there is no trace of a Thomas Hite in the Tasmanian archival records.

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And the Tasmanian Pioneer Index shows that Margaret Briggs died in 1839, aged 22, with no mention of a spouse or offspring, all of which is consistent with a detailed Briggs family genealogy.

Senator Lambie's family tree, however, says that Margaret Briggs married a Thomas Hite and had two children, one a daughter Ann who married William Aylett, and that this is the branch of the family from which the Lambies are descended.

The documents provided to Australian Story include the findings of a 2002 Administrative Appeals Tribunal dispute relating to rights to participate in an ATSIC election.

Claimants gave evidence that a pardoned convict Samuel Hite married another former convict, Mary Ann Pendrill, and that Samuel had a brother Thomas Hite who came to Tasmania as a sealer-sailor and took up with an Aboriginal woman.

This pairing is said to have resulted in a daughter, Ann, born in 1837, who was taken in by Samuel Hite and his wife Mary Ann and recorded as their own.

Ann went on to marry a William Aylett, and evidence was given that both are buried in the Jenner Cemetery at Wynyard, with Ann in the Aboriginal section and William in the white section.

On this basis, the tribunal found that the claimants were "the descendants of Thomas Hite and an Aboriginal woman".

However, there remains the question of Ann Hite's parentage and any evidence to link her to Margaret Briggs or her grandfather Mannalargenna.

And there remains mystery around Thomas Hite, with the tribunal acknowledging there was no record for him in the Tasmanian archives and there being no mention of him as a sealer in Brian Plomley's authoritative book covering the era, Friendly Mission.

Heather Sculthorpe, chief executive of the Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, said Senator Lambie's maiden speech was the first time she too had heard any suggestion that the senator had an Indigenous heritage.

"She's not known in the Aboriginal community and that statement was a shock to us," Ms Sculthorpe said.

"These days if people don't know who their tribal ancestors are, they tend to claim Mannalargenna like they used to claim Truganini as their ancestor."

Mr Mansell is calling on Senator Lambie to produce evidence of her family tree so the validity of her claim can be tested.

"She should present that evidence of her so-called Aboriginality to us because we are the relatives," he said.

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Mr Mansell is calling on Senator Lambie to produce evidence of her family tree so the validity of her claim can be tested.

......didn't Andrew Bolt get carted off to court for insinuating like things? :-?

Who knows if Jacqui is part abbo or not but Mansell is without a shadow of doubt a total dickhead

Swagman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

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Mr Mansell is calling on Senator Lambie to produce evidence of her family tree so the validity of her claim can be tested.

......didn't Andrew Bolt get carted off to court for insinuating like things? :-?

oh the irony... someone is questioning someones aboriginal heritage??? I bet Bolt is laughing his butt off right now.

Swagman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

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Mr Mansell is calling on Senator Lambie to produce evidence of her family tree so the validity of her claim can be tested.

......didn't Andrew Bolt get carted off to court for insinuating like things? :-?

Bolt made wrong assumptions about other individuals that did not support his argument.....In Lambie's case she is trying to make political mileage from some tenuous link to a well known Aboriginal elder which would fit with the tone of Bolt's article....If you make claims about other individuals they must be true to avoid slander but you can claim anything you like about yourself!!!

8-) 8-) 8-)

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

In Lambie's case she is trying to make political mileage from some tenuous link to a well known Aboriginal elder

...didn't Bolt insinuate that certain light skinned individuals were profiting from their aboriginality?

Would appear that Mansell is doing the same thing? :-?

____ wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

"She should present that evidence of her so-called Aboriginality to us

Every man and his dingo is claiming to have some abo blood in them these days (and in all fairness, a few of the dingos probably do). But now after years of not being allowed to question such claims, suddenly there is now the need to show evidence?

She should claim to be offended at such a request. How dare anyone question her aborgionality! These people should be ashamed of themselves for not taking a white persons claims of having abo blood at face value. If someone benefits financially, politically, or any otherlly by claiming to have abo blood, we should just believe they wouldn't lie about such things and not ask them to prove they are who they say they are. If we dare to make one person prove it then we would have to make everyone prove it! But then there would be thousands of cheats caught ou....

Actually, they should make her prove it...

What does it matter? Let the locals sort it out. It's their argument to have, not mine, or anyone else's. I don't know, and neither does anyone else here, unless I am mistaken.

I reckon she is talking rubbish, but I don't know, or care.

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

for a PUP anyway its normal......this women likes the attention she has a problem ????... watch this space...

shes delusional and has a background for trouble thinks the world owes her and will stoop to any level to get it.

Lambie’s decade-long battle for compensation from the defence forces — culminating in treatment for depression as well as alcohol and pharmaceutical abuse — has defined her life since 1997.

I would think working with her would be the pits.

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

shes a nutter and has an alcohol and drug problem and is always getting into fights. hmm... maybe there IS something to her claim after all???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

Nothing like a bit of unacknowledged plagiarism, wot Cods?

Link.

Aussie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

Nothing like a bit of unacknowledged plagiarism, wot Cods?

Link.

sorry I didnt know the boards NAZI was about.. thought I could get away with it....sheeeeeze this guys so good...and lambie is his pet :-* she will luv ya for it..

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

shes a nutter and has an alcohol and drug problem and is always getting into fights. hmm... maybe there IS something to her claim after all???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

now now thats not called for tassy did have a few naughty boys Jackie Jackie was one.. and then of course Martin Bryant.....well it does kind of make you think though... ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

In Lambie's case she is trying to make political mileage from some tenuous link to a well known Aboriginal elder

...didn't Bolt insinuate that certain light skinned individuals were profiting from their aboriginality?

Would appear that Mansell is doing the same thing? :-?

do you think she puts that on the forms she fills out.... where it asks are you of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Island origin.??????????????..

they get special attention you know. ;) ;)

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

Nothing like a bit of unacknowledged plagiarism, wot Cods?

Link.

sorry I didnt know the boards NAZI was about.. thought I could get away with it....sheeeeeze this guys so good...and lambie is his pet :-* she will luv ya for it..

There was never any chance of you getting away with it, cods.

Capital letter at the start of the sentence; correct use of an apostrophe, and other punctuation; 'pharmaceutical' spelled correctly.

It stood out like a sore thumb.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:49am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

Nothing like a bit of unacknowledged plagiarism, wot Cods?

Link.

sorry I didnt know the boards NAZI was about.. thought I could get away with it....sheeeeeze this guys so good...and lambie is his pet :-* she will luv ya for it..

;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:49am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

I reckon she is talking rubbish

...that's unusual for a politician :D

Nothing like a bit of unacknowledged plagiarism, wot Cods?

Link.

sorry I didnt know the boards NAZI was about.. thought I could get away with it....sheeeeeze this guys so good...and lambie is his pet :-* she will luv ya for it..

ta... I need all the praze I can get so noice of yoose.. :D

at leest I no you reed my stuff.... even though its KRAP..

I dont reed you so I kant coment . on yooose.

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