Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims.

The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/09/03/1227046/533959-cb937950-331d-11e4-b925-f4810cf84ea5.jpg

Quote:

A LETTER signed by Manus Island detainees has accused the Australian organisation behind the health of asylum seekers responsible for the “death” of a brain dead Iranian asylum seeker. Dated September 1, the letter is directed to the International Health and Medical Services (IHMS), and claims “those who have signed this papar (sic) consider you are responsible for any consequense (sic) of not treat (sic) the illness of our dear friend.” IHMS is contracted by the Department of Immigration to provide health supplies for Australian detention centres, including Manus Island and Nauru. The Immigration Department refuses to confirm whether 24-year-old Iranian refugee Hamid Kehazaei was urgently flown for emergency treatment from Manus Island to intensive care at Brisbane’s Mater Hospital on August 27 after an infection for a cut foot caused septicaemia. Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government. On Monday, Mr Kehazaei suffered a heart attack and was yesterday deemed brain dead by the Immigration Department, claims Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul. It is believed Mr Kehazaei’s family in Iran was also made aware of his condition, and that a guardian would be appointed at “some stage” to decide whether to turn off life support. “Hamid is a victim of the shocking conditions and medical neglect on Manus Island. It is inexcusable that he developed septicaemia,” Mr Rintoul said. “Nothing more obviously reveals Manus Island as a unhygienic hell-hole that must be closed.” The family has indicated his organs will be donated as soon as possible. http://www.news.com.au/national/iranian-asylum-seeker-hamid-kehazaei-brain-dead-in-brisbane-hospital/story-fncynjr2-1227046427230

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 2:05am:

Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims. The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again.

Exaggerate much.  ::)

In the end he made it to Australia.

"...Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government."

Bloody Abbott!

Has Iranian Ambassador to Aust been contacted to find out what conflict/persecution this man was fleeing Iran
from? He made a lot of noise about the last Iranian killed on Manus in the rioting. Unfortunate that his actions cost him his life. The risk he took in choosing to enter Australia as an illegal economic migrant.

"Asylum seeker 'brain dead' in Brisbane hospital"


"Abbott cabinet 'brain dead' in Canberra parliament"

Taipan wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 4:16am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:05am: Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims. The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again. Exaggerate much.

People are dying ?

Maybe not exaggerated enough.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

"...Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government." Bloody Abbott!

Yes off shore processing is a terrible idea no matter who is doing it.

Hamid Kehazaei: The Australian government must explain why he received inadequate care


Processing asylum seekers is an immigration decision, but ensuring their health is an issue of human rights. The two positions are not, and must not be, mutually exclusive


Wednesday 3 September 2014




We should all be deeply concerned about reports of a 24-year-old Iranian, Hamid Kehazaei, recently flown to the Australian mainland from Manus Island after a cut on his foot developed into septicaemia. He is now on life support and the most recent reports are saying he is brain dead.

This case raises a whole host of questions. Was there a delay in diagnosis? Was there a delay in transferring him for medical treatment? While the facts of this case are still to be determined, what is becoming clear is the inadequate care being provided to people seeking asylum.

The standard of medical facilities in offshore detention must be questioned, as well as the timeliness of medical care. Delays in accessing necessary treatment mean that simple and easily treatable health conditions can deteriorate rapidly and become life threatening. The inadequate medical care received by people seeking asylum is having devastating consequences.

The Australian government says that they are providing health care services that are “broadly comparable with health services available within the Australian community”. I don’t believe this standard is being met. Had the Manus Island detention facility been adequately equipped to provide this young man with the healthcare he needed when he needed it, the outcome may have been very different.

The government has a lot of questions to answer. We need to know why this man did not receive adequate medical care in the first place. We need to know why there was a delay in transferring him once his condition deteriorated.

It is critical that the government is guided by independent expert medical advice, and that services are able to address complex health matters quickly and appropriately. Without this, it will be increasingly difficult for the government to respond to the growing concerns over conditions in offshore detention centres and the negative impact on asylum seeker health.

The government’s approach to processing asylum seekers is an immigration decision, but ensuring their health is an issue of human rights. The two positions are not, and must not be, mutually exclusive.

Professor Nick Talley is the president of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians.



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/03/hamid-kehazaei-the-australian-government-must-explain-why-he-received-inadequate-care

Relax Buzz, Nick's just touting for business...

Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government.

Well the Ruddster and the ALP supporters wanted them all to rot on PNG!!!

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 2:05am:

Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims. The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again. [quote] Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government.

The Manus Island detention centre was opened by labor and the greens.

Shakey wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

In the end he made it to Australia.

I shouldn't laugh, but that was funny.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:05am: Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims. The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again. [quote] Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government. The Manus Island detention centre was opened by labor and the greens.

The HOWARD Government, actually

... closed by the RUDD Government - and RE-OPENED by the RUDD Government

Off shore detention has ALWAYS been opposed by the GREENS 



When you get 'em WRONG - you REALLY get 'em WRONG !

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 2:05am:

Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims. The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again. A LETTER signed by Manus Island detainees has accused the Australian organisation behind the health of asylum seekers responsible for the “death” of a brain dead Iranian asylum seeker. Dated September 1, the letter is directed to the International Health and Medical Services (IHMS), and claims “those who have signed this papar (sic) consider you are responsible for any consequense (sic) of not treat (sic) the illness of our dear friend.” IHMS is contracted by the Department of Immigration to provide health supplies for Australian detention centres, including Manus Island and Nauru. The Immigration Department refuses to confirm whether 24-year-old Iranian refugee Hamid Kehazaei was urgently flown for emergency treatment from Manus Island to intensive care at Brisbane’s Mater Hospital on August 27 after an infection for a cut foot caused septicaemia. Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government. On Monday, Mr Kehazaei suffered a heart attack and was yesterday deemed brain dead by the Immigration Department, claims Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul. It is believed Mr Kehazaei’s family in Iran was also made aware of his condition, and that a guardian would be appointed at “some stage” to decide whether to turn off life support. “Hamid is a victim of the shocking conditions and medical neglect on Manus Island. It is inexcusable that he developed septicaemia,” Mr Rintoul said. “Nothing more obviously reveals Manus Island as a unhygienic hell-hole that must be closed.” The family has indicated his organs will be donated as soon as possible. http://www.news.com.au/national/iranian-asylum-seeker-hamid-kehazaei-brain-dead-in-brisbane-hospital/story-fncynjr2-1227046427230

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As much as I deplore government policies in this area, Manus is hardly a "killing ground"

2 people dead. natural attrition would be more than that. Australia is actually prolonging these peoples lives.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:05am: Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims. The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again. [quote] Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government. The Manus Island detention centre was opened by labor and the greens.

No

He was flown to Brisbane. Inadequate? Should have flown him to Teheran General hospital?

Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

He was flown to Brisbane. Inadequate? Should have flown him to Teheran General hospital?

They should not have put him in a location where decent medical treatment is not available.

brain dead ?

they are muslims, they are ALL braindead.

you drama queens make me sick, "Australia kills a refo" pffftttt, go away you fifth columnist mor0ns.

LTYC,

you are hereby officially included in team Numpty along with other foolish people.
Aushwitz, good grief, did they get playstations and swimming pools in aushwitz.
they get gold standard medical care on Manus.
in aushwitz, they got gold standard medical experiments.
Now  STFU

Put this filthy government and its braindead supporters there, and treat them the same way.

See how luxurious the ba$tards think it is, then.

crazychris wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 6:48am:

brain dead ? they are muslims, they are ALL braindead. you drama queens make me sick, "Australia kills a refo" pffftttt, go away you fifth columnist mor0ns.

The only braindead you'll find here are those who support this deplorable 'policy'.

Sounds like you'll fit right in with them.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

LTYC, you are hereby officially included in team Numpty along with other foolish people. Aushwitz, good grief, did they get playstations and swimming pools in aushwitz. they get gold standard medical care on Manus. in aushwitz, they got gold standard medical experiments. Now  STFU

Gaza is Bergen-Belsen. Your ilk are murdering people daily in Gaza.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:14am: LTYC, you are hereby officially included in team Numpty along with other foolish people. Aushwitz, good grief, did they get playstations and swimming pools in aushwitz. they get gold standard medical care on Manus. in aushwitz, they got gold standard medical experiments. Now  STFU Gaza is Bergen-Belsen. Your ilk are murdering people daily in Gaza.

i support the rights of the palestinians to help pick the olives and grapes on the new jewish estates.  what could be fairer than that.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:14am: LTYC, you are hereby officially included in team Numpty along with other foolish people. Aushwitz, good grief, did they get playstations and swimming pools in aushwitz. they get gold standard medical care on Manus. in aushwitz, they got gold standard medical experiments. Now  STFU Gaza is Bergen-Belsen. Your ilk are murdering people daily in Gaza.

They started it.

Is Manus Island Cirrhosis by the sea?

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:20pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 2:05am: Manus island is becoming Australia's killing ground. A pit of death for those unfortunate enough to become victims. The Abbott of Manus Auschwitz has worked his spell again. [quote] Mr Kehazaei was one of the first asylum seekers to be transferred to Manus Island by the former Rudd Government. The Manus Island detention centre was opened by labor and the greens. The HOWARD Government, actually ... closed by the RUDD Government - and RE-OPENED by the RUDD Government Off shore detention has ALWAYS been opposed by the GREENS  When you get 'em WRONG - you REALLY get 'em WRONG !

Howard closed Anus Island in 2003.

The Labor/Greens government reopened Anus Island,when did Rudd close Anus Island?

Benn giving your bong another workout buzz-and-did-j?

Saw a bit about this on the news the other day, they showed filthy toilets and damaged walls, etc.

I suppose the cleaning/maintenance staff were on hols...

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Saw a bit about this on the news the other day, they showed filthy toilets and damaged walls, etc. I suppose the cleaning/maintenance staff were on hols...

and thats why a simple cut turned deadly

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 2:31pm: Saw a bit about this on the news the other day, they showed filthy toilets and damaged walls, etc. I suppose the cleaning/maintenance staff were on hols... and thats why a simple cut turned deadly

They cant clean up after themselves? They don't have any understanding of basic hygiene? Too dam lazy? Beneath their manly dignity? Too stupid?

and that's why a simple cut turned deadly...

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 2:33pm: The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 2:31pm: Saw a bit about this on the news the other day, they showed filthy toilets and damaged walls, etc. I suppose the cleaning/maintenance staff were on hols... and thats why a simple cut turned deadly They cant clean up after themselves? They don't have any understanding of basic hygiene? Too dam lazy? Beneath their manly dignity? Too stupid? and that's why a simple cut turned deadly...

clean up with what? dirty water?  Govt. needs to provide basic care for detainees. That includes a medical care when required. Even more so in an area where infection is likely

I can't wait for the court case. Morrison has to be guilty of intentional neglect.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsfgh_zCIAACVDi.jpg

An appropriate sentence for Morrison and his ilk would be life in Manus prison camp with PNG warders.

Any of them can go  home anytime they want.

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 4:36pm:

Any of them can go  home anytime they want.

Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted.

We don't think so.

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. We don't think so.

You don't think! So?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:56pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. We don't think so. You don't think! So?

Me , the government and most Australians don't think so. You want Australia to have open borders. No country on earth does that. That's why most people don't agree with you.

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 4:36pm:

Any of them can go  home anytime they want.

actually, they can't .... keep trying

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying

Oh yes they can. Why would the government want to continue to bleed taxpayer money on country shoppers?

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying

So Australia is refusing to let them return home?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home?

John Smith just banged back another cone and had an impulse to give a stupid response.

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying Oh yes they can. Why would the government want to continue to bleed taxpayer money on country shoppers?

no they cannot go home anythime. ..... its up to the Australian govt. to prove that they are citizens of the country they are returning to before they will be allowed to return, that makes your comment wrong

some govt.s won't even let them return after identity is confirmed

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home?

let them try to walk our of the detention centre and see what happens.

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:19pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home? John Smith just banged back another cone and had an impulse to give a stupid response.

unlike you, I don't do cones ....

Kat wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:46am:

crazychris wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 6:48am: brain dead ? they are muslims, they are ALL braindead. you drama queens make me sick, "Australia kills a refo" pffftttt, go away you fifth columnist mor0ns. The only braindead you'll find here are those who support this deplorable 'policy'. Sounds like you'll fit right in with them.

when labor let these bogus asylum seekers in by the thousands, idiots like you cheered it on, when these bogus asylum seekers were allowed into the main populace, many of them have murdered raped and robbed innocent Australians, I put the blame for those crimes directly onto the politicians who allowed them in AND on mor0ns like you who support allowing these parasites onto our shores.

you, and all mor0ns like you, have Australian blood on your hands.

crazychris wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

these bogus asylum seekers were allowed into the main populace, many of them have murdered raped and robbed innocent Australians

really? got any proof?

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:19pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home? let them try to walk our of the detention centre and see what happens.

But let them ask for a plane ticket home (or back to Indonesia) and see how fast the Government reaches for it's wallet.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:21pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:19pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home? let them try to walk our of the detention centre and see what happens. But let them ask for a plane ticket home (or back to Indonesia) and see how fast the Government reaches for it's wallet.

it's still not that easy ... if they have no ID, which is what the right claims all the time, it falls upon the Australian govt. to prove that the asylum seeker is a citizen of that country before they will let them back in (in most cases) .... do you imagine that the Australian govt. would allow any white guy who claimed to be an Aussie into the country if that person couldn't prove who they were? the same works in reverse

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:21pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:19pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home? let them try to walk our of the detention centre and see what happens. But let them ask for a plane ticket home (or back to Indonesia) and see how fast the Government reaches for it's wallet.

Indonesia wouldn't let them in if they weren't citizens

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:58pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:21pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:19pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home? let them try to walk our of the detention centre and see what happens. But let them ask for a plane ticket home (or back to Indonesia) and see how fast the Government reaches for it's wallet. Indonesia wouldn't let them in if they weren't citizens

I know, that bit was sarcastic...

However, from March this year....

"Figures from the Immigration Department show 606 people have returned or were forced to return to their place of origin since the start of the Coalition’s controversial Operation Sovereign Borders policy.

Of those, 240 from mainland detention or community detention left voluntarily, having given up hope of being granted asylum, and 168 were flown home by the government.

A total of 198 asylum seekers from Manus Island and Nauru had also asked authorities to be returned home after realising they would not be settled in Australia."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/more-than-600-asylum-seekers-return-home-voluntarily/story-fni0cx12-1226868141009

I like this bit too..
"The Daily Telegraph has also obtained Immigration Department research from last year that reveals only half of all asylum seekers who arrived since 2008 — about 30,000 — claimed on their applications that they had come to Australia to flee persecution.

A survey of people being held in detention revealed most arrivals had sought to come to Australia because they believed the previous Labor government would let them stay."

John Smith, where are you?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

crazychris wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:49pm: these bogus asylum seekers were allowed into the main populace, many of them have murdered raped and robbed innocent Australians really? got any proof?

haven't you read any news for the last 8 years ?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 6:02pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:58pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:21pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:19pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. actually, they can't .... keep trying So Australia is refusing to let them return home? let them try to walk our of the detention centre and see what happens. But let them ask for a plane ticket home (or back to Indonesia) and see how fast the Government reaches for it's wallet. Indonesia wouldn't let them in if they weren't citizens I know, that bit was sarcastic... However, from March this year.... "Figures from the Immigration Department show 606 people have returned or were forced to return to their place of origin since the start of the Coalition’s controversial Operation Sovereign Borders policy. Of those, 240 from mainland detention or community detention left voluntarily, having given up hope of being granted asylum, and 168 were flown home by the government. A total of 198 asylum seekers from Manus Island and Nauru had also asked authorities to be returned home after realising they would not be settled in Australia." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/more-than-600-asylum-seekers-return-home-voluntarily/story-fni0cx12-1226868141009 I like this bit too.. "The Daily Telegraph has also obtained Immigration Department research from last year that reveals only half of all asylum seekers who arrived since 2008 — about 30,000 — claimed on their applications that they had come to Australia to flee persecution. A survey of people being held in detention revealed most arrivals had sought to come to Australia because they believed the previous Labor government would let them stay."

I didn't say they couldn't return home ...I said they couldn't go home 'anytime' .... there are a lot of t's to cross and i's to dot beforehand.

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

John Smith, where are you?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

I was having dinner with my family ... is that OK with you?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted.

No such animal as an "economic refugee".

In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians.......

They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers".

crazychris wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm: crazychris wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:49pm: these bogus asylum seekers were allowed into the main populace, many of them have murdered raped and robbed innocent Australians really? got any proof? haven't you read any news for the last 8 years ?

sure I have

sure I have  .... just in my region we've had

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-27/man-arrested-over-suspicious-death-of-anthea-mari/5699894

that scum wasn't an asylum seeker

neither was this one

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/ipswich-man-convicted-of-wifes-murder-20121101-28mji.html

nor this one
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-01-18/man-jailed-for-15-years-over-brisbane-rape/1016390


it's a numbers game...  if you search google, country wide, you may find one or two asylum seekers accused of something ....  remember we've let in many hundreds of thousands over the last 50 yrs ,  you're sure to get one or two ... still much lower rates than aussies accused of the same crimes

Gnads wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers".

There is nothing illegal about "country shopping".

If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime.

crazychris wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm: crazychris wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 5:49pm: these bogus asylum seekers were allowed into the main populace, many of them have murdered raped and robbed innocent Australians really? got any proof? haven't you read any news for the last 8 years ?

You didn't answer his question: do you have any proof?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime.

No it not illegal to come here with the correct visas & check the place out.... Then go home & make application to migrate.

They could even do what many do coming that way... over stay their visas ( illegal as well ) or claim asylum.

But those who try to get in without visas & ID in leaky
boats via the back door are illegals.

If they weren't then we would have open borders & no detention centres or Navy Patrols intercepting them.

And that's something I bet you'd like to see. ::)

That's just lunacy.

Gnads wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. No it not illegal to come here with the correct visas & check the place out.... Then go home & make application to migrate. They could even do what many do coming that way... over stay their visas ( illegal as well ) or claim asylum. But those who try to get in without visas & ID in leaky boats via the back door are illegals. If they weren't then we would have open borders & no detention centres or Navy Patrols intercepting them. And that's something I bet you'd like to see. ::) That's just lunacy.

Lunacy is what Morrison is imposing on Manus.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. No it not illegal to come here with the correct visas & check the place out.... Then go home & make application to migrate. They could even do what many do coming that way... over stay their visas ( illegal as well ) or claim asylum. But those who try to get in without visas & ID in leaky boats via the back door are illegals. If they weren't then we would have open borders & no detention centres or Navy Patrols intercepting them. And that's something I bet you'd like to see. ::) That's just lunacy. Lunacy is what Morrison is imposing on Manus.

No Lunacy is what Morrison using Manus to stop.

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I was having dinner with my family ... is that OK with you? [/quote]
I like how you call the other patients at the spastic hospital your 'family'- how sweet!

Gnads wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. But those who try to get in without visas & ID in leaky boats via the back door are illegals.

Incorrect.

Unless, of course, you can show us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime.

                                   :-/

Selective editing again. ::)

We don't have "open borders" ... no country does.

You don't come/enter by the correct methods/channels then you're an illegal alien.

Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Selective editing again. ::) We don't have "open borders" ... no country does. You don't come/enter by the correct methods/channels then you're an illegal alien.

Incorrect (again).

If you are claiming asylum, you are an asylum seeker.

There is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker.

shaky3d wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

I was having dinner with my family ... is that OK with you?

I like how you call the other patients at the spastic hospital your 'family'- how sweet![/quote]

projecting again Sparky?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime.

Equally, there is nothing illegal about detaining and deporting them to Manus and elsewhere. Multiculturalism at work, innit, different value systems side by side. Rich tapestry and diversity of non-illegal activity.




"Sir Charles Napier, out in India and faced with the practice of suttee — the Hindu tradition of burning widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands. General Napier’s response was impeccably multicultural: “You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: When men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”

Soren wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. Equally, there is nothing illegal about detaining and deporting them to Manus and elsewhere. Multiculturalism at work, innit, different value systems side by side. Rich tapestry and diversity of non-illegal activity.

And still, there are those who wish to demonise asylum seekers by insisting that their activities are illegal.

Strange, innit?

Gee. I wouldn't mind living in Switzerland, but legally it is pretty hard to do. Once there, I could earn a lot and send some back to OZ for family, etc. I wouldn't really bother to contribute anything for Switzerland as I would just continue to be a PARASITE that hangs out with other Aussies and act more Aussie, than I did when living in Australia - just like they do at Whistler in Canada.

I can claim ASYLUM because I feel mistreated by having to vote ALP or Coalition of whom don't make my life any better.

If I don't vote - I will be persecuted with a $500 fine and possible gaol time.

I must flee to Switzerland !!!

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 3:04pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 2:33pm: The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 2:31pm: Saw a bit about this on the news the other day, they showed filthy toilets and damaged walls, etc. I suppose the cleaning/maintenance staff were on hols... and thats why a simple cut turned deadly They cant clean up after themselves? They don't have any understanding of basic hygiene? Too dam lazy? Beneath their manly dignity? Too stupid? and that's why a simple cut turned deadly... clean up with what? dirty water?  Govt. needs to provide basic care for detainees. That includes a medical care when required. Even more so in an area where infection is likely

They have clean water but refuse to do the c;leaning themselves. Thats the fact. the other fact is that this person could just as easily of died for the same medical condition in Australia, in fact people do all the time.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 10:59am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. Equally, there is nothing illegal about detaining and deporting them to Manus and elsewhere. Multiculturalism at work, innit, different value systems side by side. Rich tapestry and diversity of non-illegal activity. And still, there are those who wish to demonise asylum seekers by insisting that their activities are illegal. Strange, innit?

Detention IS legal. Doing legal things is now demonising while doing illegal/unlawful things is OK?

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 12:00pm: Soren wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 10:59am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. Equally, there is nothing illegal about detaining and deporting them to Manus and elsewhere. Multiculturalism at work, innit, different value systems side by side. Rich tapestry and diversity of non-illegal activity. And still, there are those who wish to demonise asylum seekers by insisting that their activities are illegal. Strange, innit? Detention IS legal. Doing legal things is now demonising while doing illegal/unlawful things is OK?

Are you confessing? You should visit a priest; or

more appropriately, an exorcist.

Jasin wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Gee. I wouldn't mind living in Switzerland, but legally it is pretty hard to do. Once there, I could earn a lot and send some back to OZ for family, etc. I wouldn't really bother to contribute anything for Switzerland as I would just continue to be a PARASITE that hangs out with other Aussies and act more Aussie, than I did when living in Australia - just like they do at Whistler in Canada. I can claim ASYLUM because I feel mistreated by having to vote ALP or Coalition of whom don't make my life any better. If I don't vote - I will be persecuted with a $500 fine and possible gaol time. I must flee to Switzerland !!!

Bye - watch the door.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 12:06pm: Gee. I wouldn't mind living in Switzerland, but legally it is pretty hard to do. Once there, I could earn a lot and send some back to OZ for family, etc. I wouldn't really bother to contribute anything for Switzerland as I would just continue to be a PARASITE that hangs out with other Aussies and act more Aussie, than I did when living in Australia - just like they do at Whistler in Canada. I can claim ASYLUM because I feel mistreated by having to vote ALP or Coalition of whom don't make my life any better. If I don't vote - I will be persecuted with a $500 fine and possible gaol time. I must flee to Switzerland !!! Bye - watch the door.

Denizens would contribute to Jasin's air fare, yodelling lessons and lederhosen. Also would pay for his advanced mountain climbing lessons.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 10:17pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 10:14pm: Lunacy is what Morrison is imposing on Manus. No Lunacy is what Morrison using Manus to stop.

No matter how you look at it Lunacy and Morrison go very well together.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 10:17pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 10:14pm: Lunacy is what Morrison is imposing on Manus. No Lunacy is what Morrison using Manus to stop. No matter how you look at it Lunacy and Morrison go very well together.

Morrison dances with the devil in the pale moonlight. Abbott fiddles while Manus burns.

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 12:00pm: Soren wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 10:59am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. Equally, there is nothing illegal about detaining and deporting them to Manus and elsewhere. Multiculturalism at work, innit, different value systems side by side. Rich tapestry and diversity of non-illegal activity. And still, there are those who wish to demonise asylum seekers by insisting that their activities are illegal. Strange, innit? Detention IS legal. Doing legal things is now demonising while doing illegal/unlawful things is OK?

Detention isn't demonising asylum seekers and, I've never suggested that it isn't legal.

People like you demonise asylum seekers by calling them "illegals".

"Illegal, queue jumping, country shopping, terrorists": this is what demonises them.

You do it in an attempt to justify your irrational fear.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 12:00pm: Soren wrote on Sep 8th, 2014 at 10:59am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:08pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:44pm: shaky3d wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 4:36pm: Any of them can go  home anytime they want. Every immigrant to Australia is a refugee of some sort. Most of them are economic refugees. All refugees should be accepted. No such animal as an "economic refugee". In the case of many of the current group occupying Christmas Is, Manus & Nauru i.e. Iranians, Tamils & Central Asians....... They are " illegal economic migrants" aka "country shoppers". There is nothing illegal about "country shopping". If there was, you would have shown us the relevant piece of Australian legislation that says it's a crime. Equally, there is nothing illegal about detaining and deporting them to Manus and elsewhere. Multiculturalism at work, innit, different value systems side by side. Rich tapestry and diversity of non-illegal activity. And still, there are those who wish to demonise asylum seekers by insisting that their activities are illegal. Strange, innit? Detention IS legal. Doing legal things is now demonising while doing illegal/unlawful things is OK? Detention isn't demonising asylum seekers and, I've never suggested that it isn't legal. People like you demonise asylum seekers by calling them "illegals". "Illegal, queue jumping, country shopping, terrorists": this is what demonises them. You do it in an attempt to justify your irrational fear.

Don't forget the demonising UN....

Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

It is used in the context of stating that parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

The verdict is in.....

Based on the definition set out in the United Nations people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country. That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law

Kidnapping refugees and depositing them in prisons in third countries is a crime. If Australia has a problem with these epople it should be dealt with in Australia.