We seem to accept that males occasionally put a woman down sexually - unpleasant as it is, but might put it down to testosterone overload, low  self esteem, no self control or a mind obsessed with sex.

We expect a different mindset from a woman, but when a female inflicts verbal sexual assaults on other females - what do we make of her? Is she so insecure that when she sexually denigrates another female, she feels superior simply because she believes people will perceive her as being more physically attractive? Or does she enjoy the  same being said to her by a male? Could it be insecurity about her own sexuality? Maybe it is just transference of the abuse which males have inflicted on her?

I tried to find something on the net about females who do this to other women,  but there's nothing. It's all about males and females sexually denigrating the opposite sex.  We can only come to the conclusion that it is abnormal behaviour. Is it tolerated simply because there is no precedent to follow?

This has been amended to add the female perpetrator.


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Jokes and banter that are fueled by sexism and misogyny are not clever, edgy or provocative. They're aimed, typically at reinforcing a sense of male/female superiority and entitlement. Far from being 'a bit of harmless fun', they fuel unhealthy attitudes that have a real-life negative impact on countless women/men and girls/boys. Secure men/women have no need or desire to sexually denigrate women/men. They respect themselves; they respect women/men. http://www.stopdemand.org/wawcs0154998/sexual-denigration.html

women are bitchy mantra no other word for it...

they can also use the worst language when it comes to their own sex.....pretty sad really...a bad mouth not a good look.. >:(.dont go there when I see or read women behaving badly I cringe and walk away.

cods wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:24am:

women are bitchy mantra no other word for it...

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they can also use the worst language when it comes to their own sex.....pretty sad really...a bad mouth not a good look.. .dont go there when I see or read women behaving badly I cringe and walk away.

It's not just the language Cods. Women can swear like troopers and be harmless and funny about it, but when it becomes sexualised and targeted, a line is crossed. In reality, as it is online, it's a threat.

The one thing I disliked about Juliar Gillard was that she seemed a 'poor example' of a Female Political Leader.
I like the idea of a Female Prime Minister, but Gillard seemed to have ruined it.
The way she attained the position was a very negative approach.
The way she accused every and any male that didn't agree with her as a misogynist and sexist.

There are better examples of women who are capable of leading this nation. I like Kate Ellis for one, who seems capable of out-arguing her opponent rather than accuse and insult and that includes 'female' opposition.

Jasin wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:44am:

The one thing I disliked about Juliar Gillard was that she seemed a 'poor example' of a Female Political Leader. I like the idea of a Female Prime Minister, but Gillard seemed to have ruined it. The way she attained the position was a very negative approach. The way she accused every and any male that didn't agree with her as a misogynist and sexist. There are better examples of women who are capable of leading this nation. I like Kate Ellis for one, who seems capable of out-arguing her opponent rather than accuse and insult and that includes 'female' opposition.

I havent seen much in that dept with female pollies....the silly women Lambie aside...

this is about females lambasting other females...

sadly even in writing the bitchy side of females cant be covered up... its glaring in some cases.

Females have testosterone running through their bodies, but it isn't entirely hormonal.
Females will use any means possible to put down another, in all aspects of life you have the dominant and the submissive, and you can get a lot of territorial women who like to squat down and mark their territory.
It isn't really a case of sexism, it's a case of personal discrimination used in any means possible.

It's a cut throat world out there..and the bitch in every women is sitting just below the surface.

Mind you some men could give the girls a run for their money. 

Thank God I don't see too many females squatting down and marking their territory on my front lawn.

Those little burn patches wouldn't recover for at least two full Spring seasons.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:38pm:

Thank God I don't see too many females squatting down and marking their territory on my front lawn. Those little burn patches wouldn't recover for at least two full Spring seasons.

I genuinely laughed out loud. Nice one.  :D

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 8:38pm: Thank God I don't see too many females squatting down and marking their territory on my front lawn. Those little burn patches wouldn't recover for at least two full Spring seasons. I genuinely laughed out loud. Nice one.  :D

Really?  Where were the funny bits, or images?

The Mole wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:27pm:

It's a cut throat world out there..and the bitch in every women is sitting just below the surface. Mind you some men could give the girls a run for their money.

In this day and age the lines between man and women are blurred, so you simply can't even explain something as sexist when our personalities are pretty much hermaphrodites, and some of us even apply this physically through hormones and cross-dressing!
Men are feminine and women are very blokey these days. I mean look at some of the politicians: Kevin Rudd is feminine, and then you have Jackie Lambi. I wouldn't even be surprised if she had a penis.

I don't understand what you mean by put a woman down sexually. Are you talking about shaming? Could you give an example of what you mean?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

I don't understand what you mean by put a woman down sexually. Are you talking about shaming? Could you give an example of what you mean?

I dunno, and no doubt Mantra will clarify.  Maybe she used the word 'sexually' when she was really referring to gender?

Aussie wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:41pm: I don't understand what you mean by put a woman down sexually. Are you talking about shaming? Could you give an example of what you mean? I dunno, and no doubt Mantra will clarify.  Maybe she used the word 'sexually' when she was really referring to gender?

Maybe. Whether its affective or instrumental, aggression directed at women by other women is typically relational. Bullying, social exclusion etc. There's an evolutionary basis for it. If a woman is sexually denigrating another woman, she probably feels threatened by her in some way.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:47pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:41pm: I don't understand what you mean by put a woman down sexually. Are you talking about shaming? Could you give an example of what you mean? I dunno, and no doubt Mantra will clarify.  Maybe she used the word 'sexually' when she was really referring to gender? Maybe. Whether its affective or instrumental, aggression directed at women by other women is typically relational. Bullying, social exclusion etc. There's an evolutionary basis for it. If a woman is sexually denigrating another woman, she probably feels threatened by her in some way.

What do you mean by 'threatened?'  In what way?  I mean, I'm pretty sure that if a woman was looking to protect her position at work, it would not matter whether a male or female was looking like a challenger......she'd be equally self-protective against both in whatever way was effective?

Aussie wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:57pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:47pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:41pm: I don't understand what you mean by put a woman down sexually. Are you talking about shaming? Could you give an example of what you mean? I dunno, and no doubt Mantra will clarify.  Maybe she used the word 'sexually' when she was really referring to gender? Maybe. Whether its affective or instrumental, aggression directed at women by other women is typically relational. Bullying, social exclusion etc. There's an evolutionary basis for it. If a woman is sexually denigrating another woman, she probably feels threatened by her in some way. What do you mean by 'threatened?'  In what way?  I mean, I'm pretty sure that if a woman was looking to protect her position at work, it would not matter whether a male or female was looking like a challenger......she'd be equally self-protective against both in whatever way was effective?

Firstly, I think it would be unusual for a woman to attack another woman's sexuality in order to protect her job. It wouldn't reflect very well on her in a professional environment.

Discrediting women by making them unappealing as a partner is functional from an evolutionary point of view. This sort of behaviour is more common in women, while territorial aggression is more common in men for obvious reasons.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:

I don't understand what you mean by put a woman down sexually. Are you talking about shaming? Could you give an example of what you mean?

Perhaps she meant say, for example, I called you a sl*t or a wh*re, or if I was debating with you in this forum and resorted to insults such as "You have no tits." or "You have a cavernous vagina."

The tried and true old ways to discredit women are to shame them and make them undesirable by painting them as either sluts or nuts.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:05pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:57pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:47pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:41pm: I don't understand what you mean by put a woman down sexually. Are you talking about shaming? Could you give an example of what you mean? I dunno, and no doubt Mantra will clarify.  Maybe she used the word 'sexually' when she was really referring to gender? Maybe. Whether its affective or instrumental, aggression directed at women by other women is typically relational. Bullying, social exclusion etc. There's an evolutionary basis for it. If a woman is sexually denigrating another woman, she probably feels threatened by her in some way. What do you mean by 'threatened?'  In what way?  I mean, I'm pretty sure that if a woman was looking to protect her position at work, it would not matter whether a male or female was looking like a challenger......she'd be equally self-protective against both in whatever way was effective? Firstly, I think it would be unusual for a woman to attack another woman's sexuality in order to protect her job. It wouldn't reflect very well on her in a professional environment. Discrediting women by making them unappealing as a partner is functional from an evolutionary point of view. This sort of behaviour is more common in women, while territorial aggression is more common in men for obvious reasons.

Okay.  You are going on the 'sex' per se thing, as opposed to 'gender' which is where I was going.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:47pm: I dunno, and no doubt Mantra will clarify.  Maybe she used the word 'sexually' when she was really referring to gender? Maybe. Whether its affective or instrumental, aggression directed at women by other women is typically relational. Bullying, social exclusion etc. There's an evolutionary basis for it. If a woman is sexually denigrating another woman, she probably feels threatened by her in some way.

Good observation Annie. Unfortunately aggressive females tend to perceive threats which usually aren't there and take the offensive rather than the defensive if in reality they were really threatened.

I don't think you're ever going to stop women being in competition with each other or men being in competition with each other.
As long as it's healthy competition ie: No bs, then I think it serves a good purpose.

When it diminishes to denigrating, catty, bitchy lies and innuendos (from men too), then it's only going to be the bs artist that loses respect and attractiveness in the long term...well, you'd hope so anyway.
It's easy enough to spot somebody who uses put-downs as means to try and raise the view of themselves. and unfortunately, this is often seen as drive and motivation in the corporate world.

Some people make such an art form out of it that you can think your having a normal conversation with somebody and then go away scratching your head thinking, "Hey! that person just threw a load of backhanded insults at me" ..haha.
But who cares? Those people will never have much contentment in their lives. It's a pity that they need to do this when they could be using their talents for goodness and not rottenness  :D

Amadd wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

I don't think you're ever going to stop women being in competition with each other or men being in competition with each other. As long as it's healthy competition ie: No bs, then I think it serves a good purpose

it isnt about competition... when it comes to that there is not a lot of difference between the genders...

its how they compete...women are cruel and mean they dont in my opinion fight fair.. if they know something about a person.. that was even told in confidence they cant wait to use it..in a spiteful way...how many times to do hear one women call another a slut?....its the first word out of their mouth...women are easy targets... but other women are the worst offenders...

women seem to have fewer friends than men.. I have noticed..

If porn sites have a message to convey it is that there seems to be no end to the number of women who are happy to show their faces as well as their naughty bits.

There's no shame, no inhibition, no feminine modesty, no concerns about mum and dad, no saving oneself for that special guy  ~ in fact he's probably a porn star himself for the gay clientèle.

I don't think it's an accident that today's celebrity-females of movie and TV are virtually tramps and sluts who swing from different 'relationships' every 2 to 5 years or so.

The Minogue sisters are a classic case of bed-hopping, with Dannii staying just long enough with her 'love-interest' to get pregnant and then dump him as having served his purpose.

Miranda Kerr ... took a shine to some totally superficial stud ~ got pregnant, and then 'moved on'.

And this scenario is repeated throughout the entertainment industry.

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Amadd wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 9:06am: I don't think you're ever going to stop women being in competition with each other or men being in competition with each other. As long as it's healthy competition ie: No bs, then I think it serves a good purpose it isnt about competition... when it comes to that there is not a lot of difference between the genders... its how they compete...women are cruel and mean they dont in my opinion fight fair.. if they know something about a person.. that was even told in confidence they cant wait to use it..in a spiteful way...how many times to do hear one women call another a slut?....its the first word out of their mouth...women are easy targets... but other women are the worst offenders... women seem to have fewer friends than men.. I have noticed..

No women do not fight fair..nor do they allow an episode of disagreement to ever be forgotten..covetting their perceived slights like a precious jewel..I hate that about women..get it out, say what you mean and move on...in that way I am like a man..pp who nurse grudges for years on end p*ss me off no end, passive aggressive dishonesty...that is why most women can never be friends..   

Women are more aggressive toward other women than men are toward women. The feminists trot out dv stats and the like to paint men as the most aggressive, but men are no match for women on the emotional manipulation and shaming level.

The Mole wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

No women do not fight fair..nor do they allow an episode of disagreement to ever be forgotten..covetting their perceived slights like a precious jewel..I hate that about women..get it out, say what you mean and move on...in that way I am like a man..pp who nurse grudges for years on end p*ss me off no end, passive aggressive dishonesty...that is why most women can never be friends..

Bingo. Women have excellent memories, particularly toward those that they believed wronged them. This revenge brews, simmers and ferments for years.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Women are more aggressive toward other women than men are toward women. The feminists trot out dv stats and the like to paint men as the most aggressive, but men are no match for women on the emotional manipulation and shaming level.

I think we at least "I "am talking VERBAL....

when it comes to violence of a physical kind.. I disagree males are far worse..;look  at war...

this isnt about MEN its about females and how they deal with other females..even when it comes to forums like this... and facebook is a classic...

women are mean...to other women...in the worst possible ways.

Some women get very physical as well...hair pulling screaming..I have seen it/know of it.. women whom you would never suspect capable of such a thing, in fact they are often those who protest the loudest at such dysfunction in other women... ::)

The Mole wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Some women get very physical as well...hair pulling screaming..I have seen it/know of it.. women whom you would never suspect capable of such a thing, in fact they are often those who protest the loudest at such dysfunction in other women... ::)

I am sure you have! thankfully I have been spared that spectacle.only for mobile phone...

however they dont do as much physical violence to each other as a male does.to a female...

unless you live in a different part of the world to myself.

I havent seen another women push a female off a tall buildings balcony lately or a female shoot another whilst she hid in a toilet...

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

I havent seen another women push a female off a tall buildings balcony lately or a female shoot another whilst she hid in a toilet...

It happens Cods...and women can transform into violent maniacs given enough aggravation..they are as bad and worse , verbally and physically, as men at times...there are plenty of examples in the news if you keep your ears and eyes open...

I think women can be very aggressive /violent when at their hormonal worst and are much more to be feared than most men.. we like to think they just don't got there but they do... anyway why do we just focus in the worst...most women are reasonable caring human beings most of the time.. and the odd time they lose their sh*t should not be held against them, unless they commit a murder..same goes for men, all of this applies to men too... everything is linked to our evolutionary hard wiring in the main anyway...pre programming from our very beginnings ...hard wired-hard taught.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Bingo. Women have excellent memories, particularly toward those that they believed wronged them. This revenge brews, simmers and ferments for years.

'ferments' ?  ;D ;D ;D

Becomes an alcoholic beverage sloshing around in the mind!

***

Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys. 

Amadd wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

I don't think you're ever going to stop women being in competition with each other or men being in competition with each other. As long as it's healthy competition ie: No bs, then I think it serves a good purpose.

I haven't encountered a lot of females who want to compete. If one is particularly aggressive and jealous, then it's easier to back off, rather than confront them head on.


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When it diminishes to denigrating, catty, bitchy lies and innuendos (from men too), then it's only going to be the bs artist that loses respect and attractiveness in the long term...well, you'd hope so anyway.

That is true Amadd. Most men and women try to maintain their dignity, although some people don't care what others think of them.


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It's easy enough to spot somebody who uses put-downs as means to try and raise the view of themselves. and unfortunately, this is often seen as drive and motivation in the corporate world.

Staying on top of the politics in corporations can be soul destroying if it isn't in your nature to be cut throat. It's easy to become burnt out after a number of years selling the ideals of your leaders when you don't agree with  them.


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Some people make such an art form out of it that you can think your having a normal conversation with somebody and then go away scratching your head thinking, "Hey! that person just threw a load of backhanded insults at me" ..haha. But who cares? Those people will never have much contentment in their lives. It's a pity that they need to do this when they could be using their talents for goodness and not rottenness  :D

We all try to be good, but sometimes when you're grossly insulted, it's hard to just smile and move on. Still if we try to stick to the standards we set for ourselves and manage it more times than not, then we don't have to feel bad about ourselves.

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

it isnt about competition... when it comes to that there is not a lot of difference between the genders... its how they compete...women are cruel and mean they dont in my opinion fight fair.. if they know something about a person.. that was even told in confidence they cant wait to use it..in a spiteful way...how many times to do hear one women call another a slut?....its the first word out of their mouth...women are easy targets... but other women are the worst offenders...

You're right about spilling confidences for revenge, no matter how personal and how long ago they were shared. Online for example - I've shared thousands of messages and emails over the years with a lot of people. I've always deleted them after I've read them, but on the rare occasion you'll find a person who saves emails and messages up for many years so any personal information will be at their fingertips and can be used as ammunition.

You can't give up trusting everyone because of one or two people though.


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women seem to have fewer friends than men.. I have noticed..

I think it's a result of getting older Cods. You become more selfish with your time and just delegate it more selectively to those who suit you, rather than the other way around. You give up trying to be nice to everyone.

mantra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

cods wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 10:54am: it isnt about competition... when it comes to that there is not a lot of difference between the genders... its how they compete...women are cruel and mean they dont in my opinion fight fair.. if they know something about a person.. that was even told in confidence they cant wait to use it..in a spiteful way...how many times to do hear one women call another a slut?....its the first word out of their mouth...women are easy targets... but other women are the worst offenders... You're right about spilling confidences for revenge, no matter how personal and how long ago they were shared. Online for example - I've shared thousands of messages and emails over the years with a lot of people. I've always deleted them after I've read them, but on the rare occasion you'll find a person who saves emails and messages up for many years so any personal information will be at their fingertips and can be used as ammunition. You can't give up trusting everyone because of one or two people though. Quote: women seem to have fewer friends than men.. I have noticed.. I think it's a result of getting older Cods. You become more selfish with your time and just delegate it more selectively to those who suit you, rather than the other way around. You give up trying to be nice to everyone.

lol you could be right.. but even noticing my own daughters.. they have many aquaintances but only about 4 or 5 real females friends.. where as the blokes seem to have many mates....

I an very choosy who I give my time too now.....! have had two bad experiences with women whom I thought were besties.. did more for them than any one else ever did.. and then got dumped like a sack of poo...when it happened the second time and of course in hindesight one can see how badly one was used... serves me right... ::) ::)

I made up my mind never again...my focus now is my girls and grandkids...I wouldnt turn my back on anyone.. but never again will I do what I did for them.. for anyone.. twice bitten twice shy as they say..

I am sure when it comes to EVIL.. women will outstrip the blokes...its a power thing...dont forget...like on here.. some mods like threatening all the time...its power... 8-) 8-)

mantra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

cods wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 10:54am: it isnt about competition... when it comes to that there is not a lot of difference between the genders... its how they compete...women are cruel and mean they dont in my opinion fight fair.. if they know something about a person.. that was even told in confidence they cant wait to use it..in a spiteful way...how many times to do hear one women call another a slut?....its the first word out of their mouth...women are easy targets... but other women are the worst offenders... You're right about spilling confidences for revenge, no matter how personal and how long ago they were shared. Online for example - I've shared thousands of messages and emails over the years with a lot of people. I've always deleted them after I've read them, but on the rare occasion you'll find a person who saves emails and messages up for many years so any personal information will be at their fingertips and can be used as ammunition. You can't give up trusting everyone because of one or two people though. Quote: women seem to have fewer friends than men.. I have noticed.. I think it's a result of getting older Cods. You become more selfish with your time and just delegate it more selectively to those who suit you, rather than the other way around. You give up trying to be nice to everyone.

lol you could be right.. but even noticing my own daughters.. they have many aquaintances but only about 4 or 5 real females friends.. where as the blokes seem to have many mates....

I an very choosy who I give my time too now.....! have had two bad experiences with women whom I thought were besties.. did more for them than any one else ever did.. and then got dumped like a sack of poo...when it happened the second time and of course in hindesight one can see how badly one was used... serves me right... ::) ::)

I made up my mind never again...my focus now is my girls and grandkids...I wouldnt turn my back on anyone.. but never again will I do what I did for them.. for anyone.. twice bitten twice shy as they say..

I am sure when it comes to EVIL.. women will outstrip the blokes...its a power thing...dont forget...like on here.. some mods like threatening all the time...its power... 8-) 8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 3:28pm: Bingo. Women have excellent memories, particularly toward those that they believed wronged them. This revenge brews, simmers and ferments for years. 'ferments' ?  ;D ;D ;D Becomes an alcoholic beverage sloshing around in the mind! *** Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.

I think this is a type of fermentation and certainly seems apt..
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You're right about spilling confidences for revenge, no matter how personal and how long ago they were shared. Online for example - I've shared thousands of messages and emails over the years with a lot of people

Anything written on an open forum is not written in confidence ie: a personal msg...so lets not mix our meanings here, because that would be dishonest and mischeivious, . If it's written in a public medium such as a forum, then confidentiality doesn't come into it.   

bitches be bitches.

yep in a nutshell...

The Mole wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Anything written on an open forum is not written in confidence ie: a personal msg...so lets not mix our meanings here, because that would be dishonest and mischeivious, . If it's written in a public medium such as a forum, then confidentiality doesn't come into it.

I was talking about private messages and emails - not an open forum where every man and his dog can read it.

Oh well I'm glad we cleared that up... I was starting to thinking your post's needed decoding...again.

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If it's written in a public medium such as a forum, then confidentiality doesn't come into it.

Plenty of people have talked on a forum about incidents in their lives which have caused them despair, but a person with just a little decency wouldn't throw it in their face to score points. As an example there was an incident not long ago when a woman inflicted with cancer was told to hurry up and die. Those who believe exploiting human misery is up for grabs don't score points.

mantra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

Quote: If it's written in a public medium such as a forum, then confidentiality doesn't come into it.    Plenty of people have talked on a forum about incidents in their lives which have caused them despair, but a person with just a little decency wouldn't throw it in their face to score points. As an example there was an incident not long ago when a woman inflicted with cancer was told to hurry up and die. Those who believe exploiting human misery is up for grabs don't score points.

exactly mantra its used to be CRUEL...when I disclosed my husnad died of cancer I got all sorts of taunts...about him glad he was dead that sort of thing....I was horrified.. I can tell you a little gang sprang up and they would all join in...one of them is on the boards today...it took a long while for me to recover.. [assuming I did]....as the wound of losing my husband is still there...

when you live alone you do spill things out on a forum like this...not giving thought to those who love being cruel...all you want is a little understanding....why is that so hard????

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lol you could be right.. but even noticing my own daughters.. they have many aquaintances but only about 4 or 5 real females friends.. where as the blokes seem to have many mates....

I think that's just nature. Young men especially are programmed to have their clan of mates for male purposes, whereas young women are programmed to want to be the desired ones.
Disregarding what's perceived to be fair or unfair, that system has worked well enough through the ages.
It's nice to have somebody to trust, but as a general rule, you can only trust people to look after their own interests.

Trust is a comforting luxury. I am lucky enough to have men in my life who inspire trust, for which I am eternally grateful. My husband, father and brothers all have honest, reliable and strong characters. I have seen friends who are not so fortunate suffer at the hands of the men in their life.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.

We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues.

Amadd wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

Quote: lol you could be right.. but even noticing my own daughters.. they have many aquaintances but only about 4 or 5 real females friends.. where as the blokes seem to have many mates.... I think that's just nature. Young men especially are programmed to have their clan of mates for male purposes, whereas young women are programmed to want to be the desired ones. Disregarding what's perceived to be fair or unfair, that system has worked well enough through the ages. It's nice to have somebody to trust, but as a general rule, you can only trust people to look after their own interests.

the men I know have mates that go back to school....

not so the females....they tend to discard each other...

in the animal kingdom only one male and a group of females...all caring about each other...

to watch gorillas is mind blowing...

.yet the human female sees other females as threats..get your hands off my man..

and I have known females that couldnt handle being friends with someone who had other [female]friends....



mantra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Lord Herbert wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm: Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.  We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues.

that wont make any difference mantra... I am so glad I dont have to face what mums and dads are facing today....when my daughter was in high school they went through a stage were they were saying nasty things to each other on the phone...like your ugly and so on....meant to be funny.. haha.. but we could hear it going on and put a stop to it... now with smart phone who the hell knows whats being said...or encouraged...we know how we feel if someone is particularly spiteful on here.... imagine if you were 14...

mantra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.  We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues.

Actually we need to consider taking the focus off gender (of course, that will only happen when we as a species reach maturity, clearly we have a long road to go) and putting it more firmly on behaviour....

Pretty much everything written here about women and then about men actually applies to both genders.... It is all just behaviour....

We need to learn to either address said behaviours that we find dangerous and/or extremely anti social and, on the other hand, we also may need to consider developing a bit of a culture of live and let live. After all, if a behaviour is not threatening, dangerous (to self or others) or extremely anti social, is it really anyone else's business?

On the other hand, we can continue the mind numbingly stupid debate about he said, she said rubbish...

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

mantra wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:43am: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.  We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues. Actually we need to consider taking the focus off gender (of course, that will only happen when we as a species reach maturity, clearly we have a long road to go) and putting it more firmly on behaviour.... Pretty much everything written here about women and then about men actually applies to both genders.... It is all just behaviour.... We need to learn to either address said behaviours that we find dangerous and/or extremely anti social and, on the other hand, we also may need to consider developing a bit of a culture of live and let live. After all, if a behaviour is not threatening, dangerous (to self or others) or extremely anti social, is it really anyone else's business? On the other hand, we can continue the mind numbingly stupid debate about he said, she said rubbish...

I've been posting to forums for many years now, and I don't think I've ever disagreed with so many points (in fact all) in one post.
I'm amazed that you managed to make it sound half intelligent. ;D

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

I am lucky enough to have men in my life who inspire trust, for which I am eternally grateful. My husband, father and brothers all have honest, reliable and strong characters. I have seen friends who are not so fortunate suffer at the hands of the men in their life.

That is probably fairly accurate. If you've been brought up with a good father and brother/s and been respected by them, then you generally expect most men to be the same way. The same scenario could apply to males who've had neglectful or abusive mothers. 

It really sends out a message that children have a better life when they've grown up in a warm, stable home with two loving parents. Pity it's not that common anymore.

mantra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 5:08am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:37am: I am lucky enough to have men in my life who inspire trust, for which I am eternally grateful. My husband, father and brothers all have honest, reliable and strong characters. I have seen friends who are not so fortunate suffer at the hands of the men in their life. That is probably fairly accurate. If you've been brought up with a good father and brother/s and been respected by them, then you generally expect most men to be the same way. The same scenario could apply to males who've had neglectful or abusive mothers.  It really sends out a message that children have a better life when they've grown up in a warm, stable home with two loving parents. Pity it's not that common anymore.

My case is different from most in that I didn't meet my biological father or brothers until I was 20 years old. My experience with men prior to that was generally negative. Despite that, I felt a much closer bond upon meeting my father than my mother, but upon reflection I think that's because she was so emotional about it while he was calmer.

I've had many arguments on Ozpol about feminism and the equality of the sexes. My psych study  has made me realise I was mistaken in believing that men and women are the same. They are, of course, equally capable and there are always exceptions...but they're still different; the behavior of women often has different motivation to that of men. That should be celebrated instead of suppressed, I think.

Amadd wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 11:11am: mantra wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:43am: [quote author=Herbert link=1409695828/31#31 date=1409817290] Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.  We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues. Actually we need to consider taking the focus off gender (of course, that will only happen when we as a species reach maturity, clearly we have a long road to go) and putting it more firmly on behaviour.... Pretty much everything written here about women and then about men actually applies to both genders.... It is all just behaviour.... We need to learn to either address said behaviours that we find dangerous and/or extremely anti social and, on the other hand, we also may need to consider developing a bit of a culture of live and let live. After all, if a behaviour is not threatening, dangerous (to self or others) or extremely anti social, is it really anyone else's business? On the other hand, we can continue the mind numbingly stupid debate about he said, she said rubbish...

I've been posting to forums for many years now, and I don't think I've ever disagreed with so many points (in fact all) in one post.
I'm amazed that you managed to make it sound half intel

phem has a habit of saying the blooming obvious...he happens to live in a perfect world.. not the one the rest of us live in..lolol... he means well..sounds a bit like the minister on every Sunday that tells us after the fact why we shouldnt do such and such..

this forum by the way isnt to talk about he said she said... ::)


uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummm... he doesnt get it.. that doesnt leave much else does it????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

mantra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.  We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues.

I think you're right.

At my all-boys school we had almost a total absence of bullying. The cane ruled generously, of course, and that helped to keep the more boisterous boys in their box.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

mantra wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:43am: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.  We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues. I think you're right. At my all-boys school we had almost a total absence of bullying. The cane ruled generously, of course, and that helped to keep the more boisterous boys in their box.

ahhh the cane... nuff said...take away the rod and spoil the child....dont think  I have got that right.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

At my all-boys school we had almost a total absence of bullying. The cane ruled generously, of course, and that helped to keep the more boisterous boys in their box.

I went to a co-ed primary school where the bullying and taunting was relentless and nearly everyone was targeted. It all stopped instantly when I went to an all girls high school. I don't recall any bullying at all. Fortunately there was no corporal punishment, but the headmistress was very strict. We went there to learn and if we wanted contact with boys - we met them after school. High school was a pleasant experience.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

I've had many arguments on Ozpol about feminism and the equality of the sexes. My psych study  has made me realise I was mistaken in believing that men and women are the same. They are, of course, equally capable and there are always exceptions...but they're still different; the behavior of women often has different motivation to that of men. That should be celebrated instead of suppressed, I think.

My son made an interesting point last night, and this is coming from a young teenage male: He said-- "feminism seems to have its basis in the putting down and denigration of men"--. I think if young men now feel this way now, that feminism has failed in a sense, alienating men as if they can live without men.

Feminism doesn't mean now what it did in the beginning...it has become much more  self focussed for the individual woman. I can see his point. My son is not a selfish sexist young man and he deeply respects women...he has a mother who raised him alone and sister who is fiercely independent, he saw very little of his father growing up-

mantra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 11:42am: At my all-boys school we had almost a total absence of bullying. The cane ruled generously, of course, and that helped to keep the more boisterous boys in their box. I went to a co-ed primary school where the bullying and taunting was relentless and nearly everyone was targeted. It all stopped instantly when I went to an all girls high school. I don't recall any bullying at all. Fortunately there was no corporal punishment, but the headmistress was very strict. We went there to learn and if we wanted contact with boys - we met them after school. High school was a pleasant experience.

That's good to hear.  :)

For us, fraternising with the local girls was strictly forbidden, and a serious caning offence. There was paranoia amongst the parents about their boys getting the local yokel girls pregnant. This boarding school was right across the other side of the country from where most of the parents lived.

The Mole wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 6:50am: I've had many arguments on Ozpol about feminism and the equality of the sexes. My psych study  has made me realise I was mistaken in believing that men and women are the same. They are, of course, equally capable and there are always exceptions...but they're still different; the behavior of women often has different motivation to that of men. That should be celebrated instead of suppressed, I think. My son made an interesting point last night, and this is coming from a young teenage male: He said-- "feminism seems to have its basis in the putting down and denigration of men"--. I think if young men now feel this way now, that feminism has failed in a sense, alienating men as if they can live without men. Feminism doesn't mean now what it did in the beginning...it has become much more  self focussed for the individual woman. I can see his point. My son is not a selfish sexist young man and he deeply respects women...he has a mother who raised him alone and sister who is fiercely independent, he saw very little of his father growing up-

Perhaps he has noticed the "it's more about getting even than equal" mentality that has been slowly gaining impetus...

He also believes the only way male's and female's will have peace is when they learn to respect each others differences. Sound's entirely reasonable to me.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

For us, fraternising with the local girls was strictly forbidden, and a serious caning offence. There was paranoia amongst the parents about their boys getting the local yokel girls pregnant. This boarding school was right across the other side of the country from where most of the parents lived.

And I bet they did get some of the local girls pregnant too. I've watched so many shows about English grammar schools. They're fascinating. Did you ever watch that 7 up series?

The chasm between public and private school kids in the 50's and 60's was enormous if that show was anything to go by. It was probably similar here too depending on the area where you lived.

From the mouths of babes.
It's mans only hope of being heard.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

mantra wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 12:28pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 11:42am: At my all-boys school we had almost a total absence of bullying. The cane ruled generously, of course, and that helped to keep the more boisterous boys in their box. I went to a co-ed primary school where the bullying and taunting was relentless and nearly everyone was targeted. It all stopped instantly when I went to an all girls high school. I don't recall any bullying at all. Fortunately there was no corporal punishment, but the headmistress was very strict. We went there to learn and if we wanted contact with boys - we met them after school. High school was a pleasant experience. That's good to hear.  :) For us, fraternising with the local girls was strictly forbidden, and a serious caning offence. There was paranoia amongst the parents about their boys getting the local yokel girls pregnant. This boarding school was right across the other side of the country from where most of the parents lived.

its the same today believe me!

sex education hasnt changed a thing.

Amadd wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

From the mouths of babes. It's mans only hope of being heard.

The new generation of males coming through have a handle on this, this isn't a big deal to them and they see the inequity. I believe the pendulum will swing back somewhat..I hear murmurings ( daughter ) that she loved the dynamic/chemistry between men and women " back in the day..". Women were allowed to be women, without apology ..in that time men and women appreciated each other.

Sex education wether it be taught at school or learned at home - it has changed a lot Cods.. largely I think because parent's have realised they have to be open on the topic because of the world in which we live right now..there is no room for ignorance on topics of sex and reproduction, for their own safety.

I have always been open about it with my kid's and we talk freely as needed. Sex education in schools is basic and necessary but  if parents are open to discussion, they learn the most important lessons at home now...my parent's didn't talk about it with me...almost taboo...and I made mistakes that weren't necessary.

mantra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 12:49pm: For us, fraternising with the local girls was strictly forbidden, and a serious caning offence. There was paranoia amongst the parents about their boys getting the local yokel girls pregnant. This boarding school was right across the other side of the country from where most of the parents lived. And I bet they did get some of the local girls pregnant too. I've watched so many shows about English grammar schools.

English Grammar schools (do they still exist?) had much brighter boys than Private Boarding schools ... but that's debatable. The Private Boarding schools had kids with good genes from smart and wealthy parents, but the Grammar schools had kids who were tested and proved to be the brightest in the land even though their parents were anything from labourers to bus drivers.


mantra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

They're fascinating. Did you ever watch that 7 up series?

Unfortunately, yes. Undoubtedly one of the most depressing serial documentaries ever put to air. I fink the London cockney taxi driver probably came out the best.


mantra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

The chasm between public and private school kids in the 50's and 60's was enormous if that show was anything to go by. It was probably similar here too depending on the area where you lived.

I went to a Secondary Modern school for a year or so. The difference between that and the private school was that at the government school you feared the kids in the playground each day, and at the private school you feared the 'masters' in the classrooms. 

The Mole wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Amadd wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 3:04pm: From the mouths of babes. It's mans only hope of being heard. The new generation of males coming through have a handle on this, this isn't a big deal to them and they see the inequity. I believe the pendulum will swing back somewhat..I hear murmurings ( daughter ) that she loved the dynamic/chemistry between men and women " back in the day..". Women were allowed to be women, without apology ..in that time men and women appreciated each other.

It's a bit sad that I can raise these very same points over and over as an adult male and be dismissed over and over as a misogynist.
I wonder how far feminism has come when they can't decipher honest opinions and can't look after honest hearts.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

English Grammar schools (do they still exist?) had much brighter boys than Private Boarding schools ... but that's debatable. The Private Boarding schools had kids with good genes from smart and wealthy parents, but the Grammar schools had kids who were tested and proved to be the brightest in the land even though their parents were anything from labourers to bus drivers.

There are still a few in existence, but I've gotten a little confused over how the English schools are tagged. I thought all the Grammar schools were independent, but they're not. The publicly supported grammar schools can be likened to our selective schools here.


Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Undoubtedly one of the most depressing serial documentaries ever put to air. I fink the London cockney taxi driver probably came out the best.

He at least appeared to be the most well balanced out of his peers who came from the wrong side of the track. On the other hand, those who went to private (I know they're called public over there) schools appeared to have made a success of their lives - at least publicly.

The class system possibly held the less refined children back during that era, whereas here - by 1970, class distinction was being eradicated; that is until Howard tried to revive it two decades later.

mantra wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:38am:

There are still a few in existence, but I've gotten a little confused over how the English schools are tagged. I thought all the Grammar schools were independent, but they're not. The publicly supported grammar schools can be likened to our selective schools here.

I think that's right.

There's also a new kind of school that are called 'academies'. Don't ask. It's all so different now.


mantra wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:38am:

He at least appeared to be the most well balanced out of his peers who came from the wrong side of the track. On the other hand, those who went to private (I know they're called public over there) schools appeared to have made a success of their lives - at least publicly.

Oh. You remember better than I do. I thought the toffs all ended up gay, or schizophrenic, or incommunicado, etc


mantra wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:38am:

The class system possibly held the less refined children back during that era, whereas here - by 1970, class distinction was being eradicated; that is until Howard tried to revive it two decades later.

I've never understood where this 'class system' is supposed to operate and be evident to the casual observer.

I've personally never witnessed it anywhere.

Ability and qualifications has always won the day. I've had black bosses for no other reason than that they got their promotions on merit.

I remember the heated discussions when our Selective Schools system was first mooted. "Snobbery and Classism makes its Ugly Return!" "Discrimination will leave the less intellectually endowed floundering in their wake as Second Class citizens!"

The Teacher's Union went ballistic.

Amadd wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 11:11am: mantra wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 9:43am: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Female gangs are more violent than male gangs, and bullying between females at school can be worse than with the boys.  We should have more single sex schools. They don't have the added competition of attracting the opposite sex to incite them and tend to concentrate on other more constructive issues. Actually we need to consider taking the focus off gender (of course, that will only happen when we as a species reach maturity, clearly we have a long road to go) and putting it more firmly on behaviour.... Pretty much everything written here about women and then about men actually applies to both genders.... It is all just behaviour.... We need to learn to either address said behaviours that we find dangerous and/or extremely anti social and, on the other hand, we also may need to consider developing a bit of a culture of live and let live. After all, if a behaviour is not threatening, dangerous (to self or others) or extremely anti social, is it really anyone else's business? On the other hand, we can continue the mind numbingly stupid debate about he said, she said rubbish... I've been posting to forums for many years now, and I don't think I've ever disagreed with so many points (in fact all) in one post. I'm amazed that you managed to make it sound half intelligent. ;D

Yeah, sure, me too. Many years.

Of course, that said, you made no real point there did you, so no argument from me. In fact, I support your right to disagree, even without articulating any specific point...

Thanks for the back handed compliment too, about making it "sound half intelligent", sorry for any offense, but, from your comment, that same compliment would not be applicable...

I merely point out that paying more attention to the behaviour is not a bad idea, that was my point... You disagree with that, curious...

The Mole wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Sex education wether it be taught at school or learned at home - it has changed a lot Cods.. largely I think because parent's have realised they have to be open on the topic because of the world in which we live right now..there is no room for ignorance on topics of sex and reproduction, for their own safety. I have always been open about it with my kid's and we talk freely as needed. Sex education in schools is basic and necessary but  if parents are open to discussion, they learn the most important lessons at home now...my parent's didn't talk about it with me...almost taboo...and I made mistakes that weren't necessary.

I wasnt actually referring to talking about it...more about the number of single mothers out there...

seems to me.. the fathers are still sitting back not taking the full responsibility of what they have done... yes I mean DONE...as far as I know its still the domain of the male to be panting for sex...

if sex education was getting through they [the male] would at least take responsibility for the using of condoms...

which would save a lot of unwanted pregnancies...

and std.. both sides need to take responsibility...and I dont see the male being held responsible for getting the girl pregnant..... in fact the finger is pointed at the female in many cases where a paternity test is required...as if she sleeps around...of course she does.

producing a child or getting AIDS/std ...is a two person involvement...it doesnt happen otherwise..

how come both these things are increasing...

we still talk about unmarried mothers.... who ever says unmarried fathers.???

that old stigma

Throughout history men have always tried to enslave other men in order to gain/buy women for themselves. That is no different today, just the way to do it has changed over time... The whole "feminism movement" is based on that male motivation. Feminism was NOT a women's movement. It was a cunning idea by powerful men who wanted even more power for themselves....

gone wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

Throughout history men have always tried to enslave other men in order to gain/buy women for themselves. That is no different today, just the way to do it has changed over time... The whole "feminism movement" is based on that male motivation. Feminism was NOT a women's movement. It was a cunning idea by powerful men who wanted even more power for themselves....

aka Geoffrey Edelsten you mean..

What's happening in this thread?  It's bizarre.  Sounds as if everyone's having a vent about some isolated, personal issue and transferring that to 'men' and 'women' as their angst dictates

Women squatting on grass?  Seen as 'territorial' -- then 'no, it's men who're territorial '

Women do this -- then 180 switch and it's men do it too, etc.

I was in a class one day.  The 'unusual' person had long been the one who spoke loudly and made outrageous comments and wore a selection of wide-banded chokers around her neck.  She was the one who'd announced loudly that her breasts had needed to be imported from the US because in Australia we don't have such large prostheses

One day, heading downstairs on lunch break, she bared her massive breasts before a tiny young guy whom she'd held transfixed for weeks.  He gulped and took off.  The exhibitionist roared with laughter, looked around for a response.  I remarked each of her breasts was larger than the poor kid's head.  More roaring laughter

It was around then that we finally worked out she was transgender (that we were all 'slow' had obviously been long apparent to that character)

Then one day, from three rows behind, I heard her refer to female genitalia in the most vile, demeaning manner that I swung around and said just as loudly that her remark was straight from the women-hating, misogynist's textbook.  The fact my daughter was in the same class probably spurred me to object

Loud-mouth's best buddy - a part time prostitute who invariably sat alongside her -- agreed

The transgender blushed. It was clear she realised she'd made a massive faux pas.  In order to qualify for her sex-change procedures and register (in the course and elsewhere) as a woman, she'd had to live as a woman and claim to 'feel like' a woman for a minimum of twelve months, or similar.  She'd just blown it.  She was a quick learner and I knew she'd remember not to do it again, or if it slipped out, it would be rarely

We remained friends.  Impossible not to like and admire her for the sheer size and courage of her personality.  But, she punched out a female motorist during a road-rage incident and boasted about it -- full punch apparently, square in the face, delivered by what had been a man's muscles and shoulder rotation

She wasn't a woman at all, imo.  She was a gay guy with false tits which gave her the edge over the competition when it came to getting straight guys into bed

That individual, although hilarious much of the time, was the most bitchy individual I've encountered.  Some of the runners up have been what claimed to be red-blooded, heterosexual males

Comments are verbal spears and some people - male and female -- are particularly adept at wounding through the bone

Men who've grown up with sisters usually know what hurts a woman.  Many gay guys pride themselves on their bitchy put-downs re: females.  Maybe they just hate the competition for being what they can never truly be.  And some heterosexual women can destroy

If one woman enrages or irritates another female, there's likely to be blood, same between men and as we know, between the sexes

Do all men play by Queensbury rules in their dealings with other men?  Do they?

So why does this thread point the finger at women who're equally ruthless with regard to other women?

mantra wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

We seem to accept that males occasionally put a woman down sexually - unpleasant as it is, but might put it down to testosterone overload, low  self esteem, no self control or a mind obsessed with sex. We expect a different mindset from a woman, but when a female inflicts verbal sexual assaults on other females - what do we make of her? Is she so insecure that when she sexually denigrates another female, she feels superior simply because she believes people will perceive her as being more physically attractive? Or does she enjoy the  same being said to her by a male? Could it be insecurity about her own sexuality? Maybe it is just transference of the abuse which males have inflicted on her? I tried to find something on the net about females who do this to other women,  but there's nothing. It's all about males and females sexually denigrating the opposite sex.  We can only come to the conclusion that it is abnormal behaviour. Is it tolerated simply because there is no precedent to follow? This has been amended to add the female perpetrator. Quote: Jokes and banter that are fueled by sexism and misogyny are not clever, edgy or provocative. They're aimed, typically at reinforcing a sense of male/female superiority and entitlement. Far from being 'a bit of harmless fun', they fuel unhealthy attitudes that have a real-life negative impact on countless women/men and girls/boys. Secure men/women have no need or desire to sexually denigrate women/men. They respect themselves; they respect women/men. http://www.stopdemand.org/wawcs0154998/sexual-denigration.html

Are you saying women don't denigrate men?

PZ547 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

What's happening in this thread?  It's bizarre.  Sounds as if everyone's having a vent about some isolated, personal issue and transferring that to 'men' and 'women' as their angst dictates Women squatting on grass?  Seen as 'territorial' -- then 'no, it's men who're territorial ' Women do this -- then 180 switch and it's men do it too, etc. I was in a class one day.  The 'unusual' person had long been the one who spoke loudly and made outrageous comments and wore a selection of wide-banded chokers around her neck.  She was the one who'd announced loudly that her breasts had needed to be imported from the US because in Australia we don't have such large prostheses One day, heading downstairs on lunch break, she bared her massive breasts before a tiny young guy whom she'd held transfixed for weeks.  He gulped and took off.  The exhibitionist roared with laughter, looked around for a response.  I remarked each of her breasts was larger than the poor kid's head.  More roaring laughter It was around then that we finally worked out she was transgender (that we were all 'slow' had obviously been long apparent to that character) Then one day, from three rows behind, I heard her refer to female genitalia in the most vile, demeaning manner that I swung around and said just as loudly that her remark was straight from the women-hating, misogynist's textbook.  The fact my daughter was in the same class probably spurred me to object Loud-mouth's best buddy - a part time prostitute who invariably sat alongside her -- agreed The transgender blushed. It was clear she realised she'd made a massive faux pas.  In order to qualify for her sex-change procedures and register (in the course and elsewhere) as a woman, she'd had to live as a woman and claim to 'feel like' a woman for a minimum of twelve months, or similar.  She'd just blown it.  She was a quick learner and I knew she'd remember not to do it again, or if it slipped out, it would be rarely We remained friends.  Impossible not to like and admire her for the sheer size and courage of her personality.  But, she punched out a female motorist during a road-rage incident and boasted about it -- full punch apparently, square in the face, delivered by what had been a man's muscles and shoulder rotation She wasn't a woman at all, imo.  She was a gay guy with false tits which gave her the edge over the competition when it came to getting straight guys into bed That individual, although hilarious much of the time, was the most bitchy individual I've encountered.  Some of the runners up have been what claimed to be red-blooded, heterosexual males Comments are verbal spears and some people - male and female -- are particularly adept at wounding through the bone Men who've grown up with sisters usually know what hurts a woman.  Many gay guys pride themselves on their bitchy put-downs re: females.  Maybe they just hate the competition for being what they can never truly be.  And some heterosexual women can destroy If one woman enrages or irritates another female, there's likely to be blood, same between men and as we know, between the sexes Do all men play by Queensbury rules in their dealings with other men?  Do they? So why does this thread point the finger at women who're equally ruthless with regard to other women?

well, perhaps all threads should be the same?

:D :D

Hey, freediver: can we call all threads 'vanilla' and put them all in the one subforum? Thanx  :) :)

PZ547 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

What's happening in this thread?  It's bizarre.  Sounds as if everyone's having a vent about some isolated, personal issue and transferring that to 'men' and 'women' as their angst dictates Women squatting on grass?  Seen as 'territorial' -- then 'no, it's men who're territorial ' Women do this -- then 180 switch and it's men do it too, etc. I was in a class one day.  The 'unusual' person had long been the one who spoke loudly and made outrageous comments and wore a selection of wide-banded chokers around her neck.  She was the one who'd announced loudly that her breasts had needed to be imported from the US because in Australia we don't have such large prostheses One day, heading downstairs on lunch break, she bared her massive breasts before a tiny young guy whom she'd held transfixed for weeks.  He gulped and took off.  The exhibitionist roared with laughter, looked around for a response.  I remarked each of her breasts was larger than the poor kid's head.  More roaring laughter It was around then that we finally worked out she was transgender (that we were all 'slow' had obviously been long apparent to that character) Then one day, from three rows behind, I heard her refer to female genitalia in the most vile, demeaning manner that I swung around and said just as loudly that her remark was straight from the women-hating, misogynist's textbook.  The fact my daughter was in the same class probably spurred me to object Loud-mouth's best buddy - a part time prostitute who invariably sat alongside her -- agreed The transgender blushed. It was clear she realised she'd made a massive faux pas.  In order to qualify for her sex-change procedures and register (in the course and elsewhere) as a woman, she'd had to live as a woman and claim to 'feel like' a woman for a minimum of twelve months, or similar.  She'd just blown it.  She was a quick learner and I knew she'd remember not to do it again, or if it slipped out, it would be rarely We remained friends.  Impossible not to like and admire her for the sheer size and courage of her personality.  But, she punched out a female motorist during a road-rage incident and boasted about it -- full punch apparently, square in the face, delivered by what had been a man's muscles and shoulder rotation She wasn't a woman at all, imo.  She was a gay guy with false tits which gave her the edge over the competition when it came to getting straight guys into bed That individual, although hilarious much of the time, was the most bitchy individual I've encountered.  Some of the runners up have been what claimed to be red-blooded, heterosexual males Comments are verbal spears and some people - male and female -- are particularly adept at wounding through the bone Men who've grown up with sisters usually know what hurts a woman.  Many gay guys pride themselves on their bitchy put-downs re: females.  Maybe they just hate the competition for being what they can never truly be.  And some heterosexual women can destroy If one woman enrages or irritates another female, there's likely to be blood, same between men and as we know, between the sexes Do all men play by Queensbury rules in their dealings with other men?  Do they? So why does this thread point the finger at women who're equally ruthless with regard to other women?

Interesting you should mention that. I once knew a mtf transgender that had a real disgusting attitude towards with women.

She tended to go after girls who were obese, and would go on to say derogatory comments about their vaginas. She also claimed superiority because she has a penis...

Freedumb wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

Interesting you should mention that. I once knew a mtf transgender that had a real disgusting attitude towards with women. She tended to go after girls who were obese, and would go on to say derogatory comments about their vaginas. She also claimed superiority because she has a penis..

you do know a lot of blokes that are not trannies.. are the same dont you??>..they really believe it gives them special powers..

.I knew someone years ago who believed we all come back more or less the opposite of what we are in this life... like a King could come back as a pauper..and vice versa. if we misused our calling as it were  in this life... so behave free you could come back as a trannie...

you know it entirely escapes me why any male would want to be female...look at the killer shoes they wear just for starters.... and dont get m e started on wearing a bra...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..

not sure how we would react if we have no memory of  the before life though.. although some do believe they recall other lives they have had...maybe its the water we drink??.. :D

cods wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Freedumb wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 4:09pm: Interesting you should mention that. I once knew a mtf transgender that had a real disgusting attitude towards with women. She tended to go after girls who were obese, and would go on to say derogatory comments about their vaginas. She also claimed superiority because she has a penis.. you do know a lot of blokes that are not trannies.. are the same dont you??>..they really believe it gives them special powers.. .I knew someone years ago who believed we all come back more or less the opposite of what we are in this life... like a King could come back as a pauper..and vice versa. if we misused our calling as it were  in this life... so behave free you could come back as a trannie... you know it entirely escapes me why any male would want to be female...look at the killer shoes they wear just for starters.... and dont get m e started on wearing a bra...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.. not sure how we would react if we have no memory of  the before life though.. although some do believe they recall other lives they have had...maybe its the water we drink??.. :D

Oh, don't get me wrong cods, I have nothing against transgenders. They're still people after all.

Yes, big tough egotistical male types  :P I think this attitude stems from insecurity, as well as the transgender I posted about.

PZ547 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

Men who've grown up with sisters usually know what hurts a woman.

That's very true. It works both ways.