German researchers have established the height of the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps with greater precision than ever before. The new maps they have produced show that the ice is melting at an unprecedented rate.

The maps, produced with a satellite-mounted instrument, have elevation accuracies to within a few metres. Since Greenland’s ice cap is more than 2,000 metres thick on average, and the Antarctic bedrock supports 61% of the planet’s fresh water, this means that scientists can make more accurate assessments of annual melting.

Dr Veit Helm and other glaciologists at the Alfred Wegener Institute’s Helmholtz Centre for Polar and Marine Research in Bremerhaven, Germany, report in the journal The Cryosphere that, between them, the two ice sheets are now losing ice at the unprecedented rate of 500 cubic kilometres a year.

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Overall, the southern continent − 98% of which is covered with ice and snow − is losing 125 cubic km a year. These are the highest rates observed since researchers started making satellite observations 20 years ago.

SOURCE: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/01/new-satellite-maps-show-polar-ice-caps-melting-at-unprecedented-rate

There is no known 'precedence' of a civilised 'Species' before Humankind.

Now there will be.

The theory is that stronger polar winds are ablating the Antarctic Ice sheet, increasing the sea ice.

lee wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2014 at 11:16am:

The theory is that stronger polar winds are ablating the Antarctic Ice sheet, increasing the sea ice.

Nice one: the anticyclones off of Antartica are also, by extension of the same idea, not reaching into the continental land mass of Australia like they used to ... leading to the long observed pattern of decreased rainfall in the south of W.A.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Nice one: the anticyclones off of Antartica are also, by extension of the same idea, not reaching into the continental land mass of Australia like they used to ... leading to the long observed pattern of decreased rainfall in the south of W.A.

Which has been hypothesised as a symptom of AGW.

lee wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 11:49am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 12:31pm: Nice one: the anticyclones off of Antartica are also, by extension of the same idea, not reaching into the continental land mass of Australia like they used to ... leading to the long observed pattern of decreased rainfall in the south of W.A. Which has been hypothesised as a symptom of AGW.

Not so sure about that...

'Still unknown is why the southern winds have been getting stronger. Some scientists have theorized that it could be related to global warming, or to the ozone depletion in the Southern Hemisphere, or just to natural cycles of variability.'

http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/09/17/stronger-winds-explain-puzzling-growth-of-sea-ice-in-antarctica/

lee wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 4:39pm:

'Still unknown is why the southern winds have been getting stronger. Some scientists have theorized that it could be related to global warming, or to the ozone depletion in the Southern Hemisphere, or just to natural cycles of variability.' http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/09/17/stronger-winds-explain-puzzling-growth-of-sea-ice-in-antarctica/

Lucky my cousin drinks metho and i know all about strawman-inventing liberal voting cracksmokin' idiots who hate the children...

You got nothing brutha, good luck with that  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

** Black is white don't ya know  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  :) ... down the garden path the neglected farm boy led his children and wife and oh noes everyone hates the workaholic Mc Mansion family syndrome: how many barrels of oil a day support this nightmare dream nightmare again?


"Neglect"- that is the theme isn't buddy  :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?  :)

All that PERMAFROST in Asia (Siberia) & North America is accelerating in its meltdown.
Vast amounts of Carbon is being released into the atmosphere. That's x6 times as much released in the same amount of time, as that which has been all man-made.
Throw in the fact that if such comes into contact with moisture - then Methane is released (currently at 10% of what is being released).

I'm sorry people's but I think this planet is stuffed.
They have 'dawdled' too long and now its too late.

Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings?

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings?

Do you have any evidence it was not?

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings?

Methane release into the planet's atmosphere has previously brought about the greatest Mass Extinction of Life on this planet (more so than the Meteor) by 95%.

It's a worrying thing. But hey, how can we make money out of fixing the world - unless we can ruin it first, right?  :-?

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

lee wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings? Methane release into the planet's atmosphere has previously brought about the greatest Mass Extinction of Life on this planet (more so than the Meteor) by 95%. It's a worrying thing. But hey, how can we make money out of fixing the world - unless we can ruin it first, right?  :-?

I thought economy meant using only what you really really need but apparently we were all taught the wrong thing at school!

:'( :'(

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

lee wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings? Methane release into the planet's atmosphere has previously brought about the greatest Mass Extinction of Life on this planet (more so than the Meteor) by 95%. It's a worrying thing. But hey, how can we make money out of fixing the world - unless we can ruin it first, right?  :-?

From memory this was the time when Planet Earth changed into the ice ball!

I think you are right DasEnergy (and my you have a long memory  :o).

But hey, lets face it - the Budget and Economy are more important! We gotta make money for the Govt to buy more Toys for other people's Wars. !! :P

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

I think you are right DasEnergy (and my you have a long memory  :o). But hey, lets face it - the Budget and Economy are more important! We gotta make money for the Govt to buy more Toys for other people's Wars. !! :P

Economy means resourcefulness: it's time the debate got to keeping it real! What century is this again??

...what country is this again??

People died for this  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

I think you are right DasEnergy (and my you have a long memory  :o). But hey, lets face it - the Budget and Economy are more important! We gotta make money for the Govt to buy more Toys for other people's Wars. !! :P

Once was, but now the roo's in the top paddock have shortened that. However NASA has a very good doco/video on the event!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 1:21pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 12:22pm: I think you are right DasEnergy (and my you have a long memory  :o). But hey, lets face it - the Budget and Economy are more important! We gotta make money for the Govt to buy more Toys for other people's Wars. !! :P Economy means resourcefulness: it's time the debate got to keeping it real! What century is this again?? ...what country is this again?? People died for this  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I fully agree!  However I cant understand the LNP persistence our future is with 18th energy Centaury technology, whilst the remainder of the world moves on with 21 Centaury energy technology!

Greg Hunt maintains concealment, whilst the LNP has imposed Sovereign Risk upon those who wish to see 21st Centaury technology operating in Australia!

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:18pm: lee wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings? Methane release into the planet's atmosphere has previously brought about the greatest Mass Extinction of Life on this planet (more so than the Meteor) by 95%. It's a worrying thing. But hey, how can we make money out of fixing the world - unless we can ruin it first, right?  :-? From memory this was the time when Planet Earth changed into the ice ball!

So methane release causes global cooling then???
Well, problem solved in that case.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 10:36am: Jasin wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:18pm: lee wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings? Methane release into the planet's atmosphere has previously brought about the greatest Mass Extinction of Life on this planet (more so than the Meteor) by 95%. It's a worrying thing. But hey, how can we make money out of fixing the world - unless we can ruin it first, right?  :-? From memory this was the time when Planet Earth changed into the ice ball! So methane release causes global cooling then??? Well, problem solved in that case.

Nobody left to tell us! You cant breath it!

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 9:48am: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 10:36am: Jasin wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:18pm: lee wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Can you explain why the methane wasn't catastrophically released in previous warmings? Methane release into the planet's atmosphere has previously brought about the greatest Mass Extinction of Life on this planet (more so than the Meteor) by 95%. It's a worrying thing. But hey, how can we make money out of fixing the world - unless we can ruin it first, right?  :-? From memory this was the time when Planet Earth changed into the ice ball! So methane release causes global cooling then??? Well, problem solved in that case. Nobody left to tell us! You cant breath it!

the plot thickens..