The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery!

"SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come.

The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak.

Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water.

According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked.

The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean?

Semantics is the best you've got. This was clearly his ill-advised omen.

Whilst ignoring actual statements is all you're basing it on. He said could have been dry, not definitely would be dry.

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Semantics is the best you've got. This was clearly his ill-advised omen.

So you suggest that scientists (not just climate scientists) should keep any findings to themselves until they have been proved beyond question?

Well, looks like this was a "finding" he probably preferred he had kept to himself.
On the other hand, his histrionics did get him a cushy job as Climate Commissioner or some such and all the kudos of being "Australian of the Year".

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

Well, looks like this was a "finding" he probably preferred he had kept to himself. On the other hand, his histrionics did get him a cushy job as Climate Commissioner or some such and all the kudos of being "Australian of the Year".

Jealousy?  Flannery reminds me of Carl Sagan a lot.  Willing to open his mouth and say something, rather than keep stumn.  Sagan once predicted "Polar Bear like creatures on Mars..."  No one expected him to retract that statement 30 years later when it was obvious there was no such thing.  They just accepted he'd made a statement on the available evidence.  Just like Flannery.  Did you get upset when the TV Weathergirl announces rain the next day and it's nice and sunny instead or do you accept that they got their prediction wrong?    :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams".

Another Flannery comment.....

Ah yes, that was the other one. Thanks for reminding us.
There must be more of these scaremongers but they don't come any better than our Tim.

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year."

Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction.

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject. Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction.

And yet you say the exact opposite.  ;D  ;D

Re: Climate fraudsters at it again
Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am   longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm:
I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week.  couldn't be more wrong if they tried.  I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs.

Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show!

Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is.
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Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 5:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject. Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction. And yet you say the exact opposite.  ;D  ;D Re: Climate fraudsters at it again Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am   longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm: I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week.  couldn't be more wrong if they tried.  I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs. Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show! Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is. Back to top

How is this the opposite to what I said?

I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict.

I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make.

How are these things in opposition to each other?

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:32pm: Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 5:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject. Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction. And yet you say the exact opposite.  ;D  ;D Re: Climate fraudsters at it again Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am   longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm: I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week.  couldn't be more wrong if they tried.  I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs. Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show! Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is. Back to top        How is this the opposite to what I said? I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict. I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make. How are these things in opposition to each other?

You are in a tailspin now!
Weather is not climate unless it is extreme weather which is climate change. Fraud is still a crime you know.

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:32pm: Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 5:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject. Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction. And yet you say the exact opposite.  ;D  ;D Re: Climate fraudsters at it again Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am   longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm: I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week.  couldn't be more wrong if they tried.  I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs. Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show! Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is. Back to top        How is this the opposite to what I said? I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict. I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make. How are these things in opposition to each other?

Shot in the arze & you're to blame
You give science a bad name
Fraudsters play their part
& you swallow their game
You give science a bad name

:P

Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

You are in a tailspin now! Weather is not climate unless it is extreme weather which is climate change. Fraud is still a crime you know.

What are you harping on about? Weather isn't climate, but climate definitely affects the weather, I never said or implied otherwise.

King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams". Another Flannery comment.....

This happens: it's called the desertification process... hmmmmmmmmmmn, yes: it happens and people panic big time

Ya gotta love the online denier cabal saying more co2 is good for plants: it's not a blanket statement with limits applying to everything!

what is toxicity?

- apparently chocolate is toxic  :o :o :o :o :o :o

Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 5:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject. Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction. And yet you say the exact opposite.  ;D  ;D Re: Climate fraudsters at it again Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am   longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm: I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week.  couldn't be more wrong if they tried.  I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs. Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show! Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is. Back to top

How is that claiming the opposite?  :-? :-?

Rider wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:38pm: Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:32pm: Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 5:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject. Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction. And yet you say the exact opposite.  ;D  ;D Re: Climate fraudsters at it again Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am   longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm: I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week.  couldn't be more wrong if they tried.  I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs. Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show! Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is. Back to top        How is this the opposite to what I said? I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict. I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make. How are these things in opposition to each other? You are in a tailspin now! Weather is not climate unless it is extreme weather which is climate change. Fraud is still a crime you know.

Lol, talking about indicators whilst pretending not to talk about indicators lol... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gnads wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:38pm: Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 7:32pm: Kytro wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 5:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." Extreme weather events are a prediction of climate change, rain does not mean climate change isn't real. The fact you bring this up just shows your ignorance on the subject. Yes, someone else made a prediction and it was wrong, but climate change theory didn't make that specific prediction. And yet you say the exact opposite.  ;D  ;D Re: Climate fraudsters at it again Reply #32 - Today at 4:49am   longweekend58 wrote Yesterday at 7:38pm: I am on the gold coast this week and the prediction was for rain the entire week.  couldn't be more wrong if they tried.  I can toss a coi and get better predictiosn than theirs. Kyto replied with this gem....one man muppet show! Weather isn't climate, don't conflate them. Weather is actually harder to predict (for more than a few days) than climate is. Back to top        How is this the opposite to what I said? I said weather isn't climate and it's harder to predict. I also said that climate change makes predictions that extreme events are more likely and that the dam being dry wasn't a specific prediction climate change models make. How are these things in opposition to each other? Shot in the arze & you're to blame You give science a bad name Fraudsters play their part & you swallow their game You give science a bad name :P

Let's give the kids copper internet and complain when they don't come see us in the rich arse nursing home our paper profit macmansion bought us yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh baby yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  :D :D :D :D

I love john howard and peter costello cos i have an abn number and know my year 11 economics book backwards after years of doing nuts in at boring cracked up love fests  :o :o  ;D

Kytro wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Rider wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 8:34pm: You are in a tailspin now! Weather is not climate unless it is extreme weather which is climate change. Fraud is still a crime you know. What are you harping on about? Weather isn't climate, but climate definitely affects the weather, I never said or implied otherwise.

The ribbed rider strikes again ?? (zzzzzzzzZZZ ZZZZ zzzZZZZZZZZZzz zzzzzzz !! zzzzzzzzz.. ZZ  ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  :-? :-?  ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D )

I don't support the use of copper in any process of the installation of the NBN.

It's a penny pinching retrograde step if Abbort & Turnbull go down that track.

Now get back on the scent ... you're barking up the wrong tree.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Whilst ignoring actual statements is all you're basing it on. He said could have been dry, not definitely would be dry.

lame defence.  he also said Adelaide would run out of water at which point we had our heaviest rains in 20 years.

only in climate hysteria could being absolutely categorically wrong wtill be considered okay.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:50am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:19pm: Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams". Another Flannery comment..... This happens: it's called the desertification process... hmmmmmmmmmmn, yes: it happens and people panic big time

The funny bit was he said it just before the floods in 2011.

;D

King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:50am: King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:19pm: Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams". Another Flannery comment..... This happens: it's called the desertification process... hmmmmmmmmmmn, yes: it happens and people panic big time The funny bit was he said it just before the floods in 2011. ;D

truly impeccable timing.  it is like when the BoM says we are going to have a long dry and hot winter... and then the rains and record cold arrive.  it is almost as if God hears their rank arrogance and sends the opposite weather,

Attacking the messengers rather than debating the issue ... scared?

Are humans able to effect the climate ... yes.

Are we ... yes.

Is this a de facto admission that your messengers in the past have been less than satisfactory?
Have you got a new team of messengers to place your religious faith in?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:34am: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:50am: King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:19pm: Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams". Another Flannery comment..... This happens: it's called the desertification process... hmmmmmmmmmmn, yes: it happens and people panic big time The funny bit was he said it just before the floods in 2011. ;D truly impeccable timing.  it is like when the BoM says we are going to have a long dry and hot winter... and then the rains and record cold arrive.  it is almost as if God hears their rank arrogance and sends the opposite weather,

Almost, if GOd existed.

Geez, don't get him started. He'll be running around with his hands in the air speaking in tongues before you know it.

If god exists then she extincting all these species around us that support our civilisation ... an angry god longweakend?

Gnads wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:27am:

I don't support the use of copper in any process of the installation of the NBN. It's a penny pinching retrograde step if Abbort & Turnbull go down that track. Now get back on the scent ... you're barking up the wrong tree.

You voted for it... the kids will never forget all those stories about some alleged once in a century mining boom where australia built china and china built fibre internet and the chinese bought australian real estate due to the transfer of advantages!

I wish I voted liberal and drank at social gatherings so I could face the floor all night  :D :D

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Attacking the messengers rather than debating the issue ... scared? Are humans able to effect the climate ... yes. Are we ... yes.

In the defence of the deniers they only believe weather has been proven capable of being geo-engineered via the well known good and bad examples of cloud-seeding!

They believe in proof, ...sometimes  ::) ::) ::)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:26pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:27am: I don't support the use of copper in any process of the installation of the NBN. It's a penny pinching retrograde step if Abbort & Turnbull go down that track. Now get back on the scent ... you're barking up the wrong tree. You voted for it... the kids will never forget all those stories about some alleged once in a century mining boom where australia built china and china built fibre internet and the chinese bought australian real estate due to the transfer of advantages! I wish I voted liberal and drank at social gatherings so I could face the floor all night  :D :D

Wrong again Punt Free Pony  ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:34am: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:50am: King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 12:19pm: Ahhhh yes, the land will be so dry and hot you see, "that even the rain that does fall won't make it into the dams". Another Flannery comment..... This happens: it's called the desertification process... hmmmmmmmmmmn, yes: it happens and people panic big time The funny bit was he said it just before the floods in 2011. ;D truly impeccable timing.  it is like when the BoM says we are going to have a long dry and hot winter... and then the rains and record cold arrive.  it is almost as if God hears their rank arrogance and sends the opposite weather,

Yep, almost like that.

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Gnads wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:26pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:27am: I don't support the use of copper in any process of the installation of the NBN. It's a penny pinching retrograde step if Abbort & Turnbull go down that track. Now get back on the scent ... you're barking up the wrong tree. You voted for it... the kids will never forget all those stories about some alleged once in a century mining boom where australia built china and china built fibre internet and the chinese bought australian real estate due to the transfer of advantages! I wish I voted liberal and drank at social gatherings so I could face the floor all night  :D :D Wrong again Punt Free Pony  ::)

Oh, you don't vote liberal  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o ??

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:43am:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean?

Let's see what Flannery REALLY said
Not what Andrew Bolt CLAIMED he said




Quote:

SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer? PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation. http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

See also ...

http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:43am: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean? Let's see what Flannery REALLY said Not what Andrew Bolt CLAIMED he said Quote: SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer? PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation. http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm See also ... http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/

and you think the full quote changes anything?  he was still DEAD WRONG.

Anyone who quotes Tim Flannery can be taken with the same grain of salt.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 2:25am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:55pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:43am: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:41am: The gold cup goes to . . .Tim Flannery! "SYDNEY’S dam levels are now at 84 per cent of their total capacity, with more still to come. The wettest August in more than 15 years, already delivering 178mm of rain with several more days ­remaining in the month, has seen Sydney reach a remarkable water peak. Things have certainly changed since 2005, when climate change panic convinced many that our city might actually run out of water. According to one prediction from former climate commissioner Tim Flannery, Sydney’s dams could have been entirely dry by 2007. “Where does Sydney go for more water?” Flannery asked. The answer, as everyone in Sydney will currently tell him, is outside. Or inside, in the case of many houses that haven’t held up particularly well against this month’s historic downpours. Nature has ways of humbling all of us, from time to time, even if you are a distinguished former Australian of the Year." I don't know whether your English comprehension is lacking bogarde, but what does could mean? Let's see what Flannery REALLY said Not what Andrew Bolt CLAIMED he said Quote: SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer? PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation. http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm See also ... http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/ and you think the full quote changes anything?  he was still DEAD WRONG.

NO ... he was SPOT ON

First, Flannery did not say that Australian dams will never fill again. Andrew Bolt, misrepresenting Flannery, draws attention to a Feb 2007 Landline interview with Flannery in which Flannery said:

    " ... even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems"

Denialists like Bolt claim that Flannery meant by this that our dams would never fill again at any time for any reason from the date Flannery was speaking.

However, what Flannery was actually saying that climate trends at the time indicated a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage consistent with IPCC projections

Flannery’s comments were to the effect that Australia was at the time currently experiencing a 60% fall in run-off going into dams due to hotter soils and greater rainfall take-up by drought-stressed vegetation and that this would be indicative of what we could eventually expect as a consistent and normal outcome in the future.

He did not say that the dams would never fill again at any time from the date he was speaking, which is the thick-as-a-brick intentionally distorted view presented by Bolt and fellow travellers. Flannery was pointing to a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage based on current data and climate trends.

http://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-not-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/


... and I don't doubt a WORD
I have a micro model - MY dam and MY two acre catchment - just outside my front door




  " ... even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems"


Flannery DIDN'T say "Australia's dams will never fill again"

Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that?

Climate change...nobody knows anything about anything.

NOBODY CARES! Except the glaikit lot who are as dopey as ever.

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that?

Not NEEDED
NOW it is full
But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm: Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that? Not NEEDED NOW it is full But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery

you don't need tim flannery to tell us what we already know - that drought affected ground takes up water.  I teach groundwater education!  But what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:03pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm: Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that? Not NEEDED NOW it is full But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery   ... what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried!

Perhaps you could pull up that Tim Flannery "quote" for us ?

( ... not Andrew Bolt's re-write)

Flannery is a charlatan .... just like Al Gore.  >:(

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm: Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that? Not NEEDED NOW it is full But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery   ... what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried! Perhaps you could pull up that Tim Flannery "quote" for us ? ( ... not Andrew Bolt's re-write)

It took nearly two years for you to accept the pause in global warming despite the MET admitting such in black and white.  I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this.  I could show you the quote and you would refuse to accept it just as you did with the MET and the 17 year pause.

you are a climate-denier.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm: Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that? Not NEEDED NOW it is full But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery   ... what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried! Perhaps you could pull up that Tim Flannery "quote" for us ? ( ... not Andrew Bolt's re-write) I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this. you are a climate-denier.

All the googling in the WORLD is not going to find a "quote" - that never existed in the FIRST place ( ... outside of Andrew Bolt's "embellishments")


Climate denial  is a denial or dismissal of the scientific consensus on the extent of global warming, its significance, and its connection to human behaviour, especially for commercial or ideological reasons.
Typically, these attempts take the rhetorical form of legitimate scientific debate, while not adhering to the actual principles of that debate.
Climate change denial has been associated with the fossil fuels lobby, the Koch brothers, industry advocates and free market think tanks, often in the United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denier

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:27pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm: Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that? Not NEEDED NOW it is full But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery   ... what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried! Perhaps you could pull up that Tim Flannery "quote" for us ? ( ... not Andrew Bolt's re-write) I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this. you are a climate-denier. All the googling in the WORLD is not going to find a "quote" - that never existed in the FIRST place ( ... outside of Andrew Bolt's "embellishments") Climate denial  is a denial or dismissal of the scientific consensus on the extent of global warming, its significance, and its connection to human behaviour, especially for commercial or ideological reasons. Typically, these attempts take the rhetorical form of legitimate scientific debate, while not adhering to the actual principles of that debate. Climate change denial has been associated with the fossil fuels lobby, the Koch brothers, industry advocates and free market think tanks, often in the United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denier

well I am redefining the term 'climate denier' 

A climate Denier a person who refuses to accept what the climate is actually doing. 

Like you.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:27pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm: Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that? Not NEEDED NOW it is full But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery   ... what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried! Perhaps you could pull up that Tim Flannery "quote" for us ? ( ... not Andrew Bolt's re-write) I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this. you are a climate-denier. All the googling in the WORLD is not going to find a "quote" - that never existed in the FIRST place ( ... outside of Andrew Bolt's "embellishments") Climate denial  is a denial or dismissal of the scientific consensus on the extent of global warming, its significance, and its connection to human behaviour, especially for commercial or ideological reasons. Typically, these attempts take the rhetorical form of legitimate scientific debate, while not adhering to the actual principles of that debate. Climate change denial has been associated with the fossil fuels lobby, the Koch brothers, industry advocates and free market think tanks, often in the United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denier well I am redefining the term 'climate denier'  A climate Denier a person who refuses to accept what the climate is actually doing.  Like you.

many blessings yet fear not

for even a lightweight such as this one whom is loved ,

can see ,.. climate hoaxings and suchnesses

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

Quote:

It took nearly two years for you to accept the pause in global warming despite the MET admitting such in black and white.  I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this.  I could show you the quote and you would refuse to accept it just as you did with the MET and the 17 year pause. you are a climate-denier.

many blessings , there remains much lol

and frivolity upon repeater drones

whom trumpet the lastest quote from the latest hoaxers

ie : teleprompter funded repeater bots

whom they themself repeat carry on regardless dear ones

yet fear not for all is quite well regardless of

apparent fear mongers and tasters of dis~ease

there is unity within all hearts

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Quote: It took nearly two years for you to accept the pause in global warming despite the MET admitting such in black and white.  I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this.  I could show you the quote and you would refuse to accept it just as you did with the MET and the 17 year pause. you are a climate-denier. many blessings , there remains much lol and frivolity upon repeater drones whom trumpet the lastest quote from the latest hoaxers ie : teleprompter funded repeater bots whom they themself repeat carry on regardless dear ones yet fear not for all is quite well regardless of apparent fear mongers and tasters of dis~ease there is unity within all hearts so be at peace namaste - : ) =

most of your posts look like they came out of an automated dictionary randomizer.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:17am: Quote: It took nearly two years for you to accept the pause in global warming despite the MET admitting such in black and white.  I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this.  I could show you the quote and you would refuse to accept it just as you did with the MET and the 17 year pause. you are a climate-denier. many blessings , there remains much lol and frivolity upon repeater drones whom trumpet the lastest quote from the latest hoaxers ie : teleprompter funded repeater bots whom they themself repeat carry on regardless dear ones yet fear not for all is quite well regardless of apparent fear mongers and tasters of dis~ease there is unity within all hearts so be at peace namaste - : ) = most of your posts look like they came out of an automated dictionary randomizer.

LWE58 appears to have intimate knowledge of such software.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:17am: Quote: It took nearly two years for you to accept the pause in global warming despite the MET admitting such in black and white.  I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this.  I could show you the quote and you would refuse to accept it just as you did with the MET and the 17 year pause. you are a climate-denier. many blessings , there remains much lol and frivolity upon repeater drones whom trumpet the lastest quote from the latest hoaxers ie : teleprompter funded repeater bots whom they themself repeat carry on regardless dear ones yet fear not for all is quite well regardless of apparent fear mongers and tasters of dis~ease there is unity within all hearts so be at peace namaste - : ) = most of your posts look like they came out of an automated dictionary randomizer.

many blessings

your interpretation is quite valid however

your interpretation is clouded by repeating

distorted programs inserted by your government ie : govern mind

many prefer to be injected with data and repeat that

there are others whom live in love and divine light

so be it and carry on regardless

namaste

- : ) =

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:27pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 6:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 3:18pm: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 2:30pm: Maybe you need to get your dam sealed. Thought of that? Not NEEDED NOW it is full But the FIRST round of rain, had almost no impact - for reasons clearly explained by Tim Flannery   ... what we DONT need is that same clown predicting no water for Adelaide or Sydney.  couldn't be more wrong if he tried! Perhaps you could pull up that Tim Flannery "quote" for us ? ( ... not Andrew Bolt's re-write) I have no intention of having any lengthy debate with you over this. you are a climate-denier. All the googling in the WORLD is not going to find a "quote" - that never existed in the FIRST place ( ... outside of Andrew Bolt's "embellishments") Climate denial  is a denial or dismissal of the scientific consensus on the extent of global warming, its significance, and its connection to human behaviour, especially for commercial or ideological reasons. Typically, these attempts take the rhetorical form of legitimate scientific debate, while not adhering to the actual principles of that debate. Climate change denial has been associated with the fossil fuels lobby, the Koch brothers, industry advocates and free market think tanks, often in the United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denier well I am redefining the term 'climate denier'  A climate Denier a person who refuses to accept what the climate is actually doing.  Like you.

FAIL ONE

Inability to grasp (as near as it gets) consensus on climate change science


FAIL TWO

Inability to embrace universally accepted definition of "climate denier"