ISIS is taking islam back to its ROOTS. ;D

At the same killing, because its against the quran to rape a married women.

"ISIL has killed 500 Yazidis and abducted 500 women as slave concubines in Sinjar, Iraqi MP Fayyan Dahel told a press conference Tuesday in the parliament in Baghdad"

They are kufr after all, what should they expect from the racist most bigoted people on earth? 

"Sinjar is the traditional home of the Yazidi, an eclectic religious sect fusing Zoroastrian, Manichaean, Jewish, Nestorian Christian and Islamic elements. It is regarded as heretical by orthodox Islamic scholars"

"orthodox Islamic scholars" that explains it all!

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/169933/hundreds-of-yazidis-killed-by-isil-says-iraqi-mp.html

Please do not use the term "sex slaves". This is politically incorrect in the context of Islam. They are merely "slaves that you can have sex with".

And 'round and 'round the Mulberry Bush we go...again.   ::)

We will have the usual bunch condemning all Muslims for the crimes of a minority of Muslims who are considered by the majority Muslims as extremists.  Of course that is unfair on the majority Muslims but hey, that doesn't matter when you're a bigot.   ::)

What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe.   ::)

Abu supports them. Where do you think he is right now?

Abu has spoken (through the usual medium - FD) - so the discussion is closed.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe.

What is fact brian is that between 150 & 300 million followers of islam would KILL for the sake of its mad Mo. That is an effing big army Mr Brian Chamberlain.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Abu has spoken (through the usual medium - FD) - so the discussion is closed.

No answer as usual Gandalf, time for bed for you then. Goodnight.

Adamant wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm: What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe. What is fact brian is that between 150 & 300 million followers of islam would KILL for the sake of its mad Mo. That is an effing big army Mr Brian Chamberlain.

According to whom, Adamant?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

According to whom, Adamant?

Ah that would be his totally verifiable "10-20% of muslims are terrorists" estimate.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:11pm: According to whom, Adamant? Ah that would be his totally verifiable "10-20% of muslims are terrorists" estimate.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

Adamant wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm: What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe. What is fact brian is that between 150 & 300 million followers of islam would KILL for the sake of its mad Mo. That is an effing big army Mr Brian Chamberlain. According to whom, Adamant?   ::)

Very good. No answer was the strong reply. Carry on boys, its worked in the past so it will croak it sometime.

Its done it now.

freediver wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Please do not use the term "sex slaves". This is politically incorrect in the context of Islam. They are merely "slaves that you can have sex with".

Actually, I remember this thread. 20 pages of FD chasing Abu around about the correct interpretation of sex slaves.

FD won, of course. FD said they were slaves that you can have sex with.

Abu gave up after page 2.

FD wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Please do not use the term "sex slaves". This is politically incorrect in the context of Islam. They are merely "slaves that you can have sex with". Actually, I remember this thread. 20 pages of FD chasing Abu around about the correct interpretation of sex slaves. FD won, of course. FD said they were slaves that you can have sex with. Abu gave up after page 2.

According to Abu, it is not even slavery - merely "forfeiting your freedom" not to be someone's sex slave. And don't forget the standard Muslim copout - everyone else was doing it in Muhammed's time, and Christians did it too - makes me think Abu died in Syria and has been reincarnated as Brian Ross.


abu_rashid wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 8:34pm:

Quote: For example, Islam allows slavery - even sex slaves. Islam does not allow 'sex slaves'. It permitted enemies to be captured when they fought against the Caliphate, and they forfeited their freedom by this. All nations of the world did this at the time Islam was revealed, it was the norm.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 4:23pm:

Quote: You appear to be implying that Muslim men can have sex with all their female slaves. Yes, as was the case with the Biblical prophets also, like Abrahm (pbuh) with Hajar (pbuh) and others. It was just part of the lifestyle in those times, like it or not.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:11pm: According to whom, Adamant? Ah that would be his totally verifiable "10-20% of muslims are terrorists" estimate.

Oh, that one.  I do hope he realises that 67% of all statistics are made up?   ;D

Adamant wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

Very good. No answer was the strong reply. Carry on boys, its worked in the past so it will croak it sometime. Its done it now.

So, no reference given to where this number came from?  You did pluck it from your nether orifice it seems.    ::)

You’re right, FD. BR is clearly the new incarnation of Abu. Let’s get him.

It’s not nearly as fun as with a gen-u-wine jihadist like Abu, but it’s a laugh just the same.

It is a jolly world, no?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 11:19pm:

You did pluck it from your nether orifice it seems

Ad hominem Brian?

Do think its ok to keep sex slaves? That's the topic!

Adamant wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:19pm: You did pluck it from your nether orifice it seems Ad hominem Brian?

No.


Quote:

Do think its ok to keep sex slaves? That's the topic!

I have expressed my opinion on that matter, Adamant.  Didn't you read it or did your eyes just glass over as soon as you realised it wasn't Islamophobic?  Do I need to repeat it, only a few messages have I said it?  Of course I do 'cause you have the attention span of a gnat and the reading comprehension of a pre-primary school child, it seems.


Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

What IS followers are doing is wrong

Clear enough?

Now, as it appears your claim "that between 150 & 300 million followers of islam would KILL for the sake of its mad Mo." is unsupported by anything other than a claim you did pull from your nether orifice...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe.   ::)

Are you entitled to make that criticism Brian?


freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm: Quote: Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights? [quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death. All 7 establish Islam as the state religion. Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/ I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm: What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe.   ::) Are you entitled to make that criticism Brian?

It is not a criticism, it is an observation, FD.  Perhaps you need to learn the difference?   ::)

Quote:

What IS followers are doing is wrong

How is "wrong" an observation?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Adamant wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:19pm: You did pluck it from your nether orifice it seems Ad hominem Brian? No. Quote: Do think its ok to keep sex slaves? That's the topic! I have expressed my opinion on that matter, Adamant.  Didn't you read it or did your eyes just glass over as soon as you realised it wasn't Islamophobic?  Do I need to repeat it, only a few messages have I said it?  Of course I do 'cause you have the attention span of a gnat and the reading comprehension of a pre-primary school child, it seems. Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm: What IS followers are doing is wrong Clear enough? Now, as it appears your claim "that between 150 & 300 million followers of islam would KILL for the sake of its mad Mo." is unsupported by anything other than a claim you did pull from your nether orifice...   ::)

Ad hominem Brian?

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Quote: What IS followers are doing is wrong How is "wrong" an observation?

Read the whole sentence, FD.   ::)

Adamant wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Ad hominem Brian?

Still no proof, I see.  Are you honest enough to admit you made the number up, Adamant or will we continue this charade where you dance around the fact you lied?   ::)

OK, lets play "get a straight answer out of Brian".


Quote:

What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe.

How is "wrong" an observation?

Let me guess, Brian will suddenly find this tangent incomprehensible.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

OK, lets play "get a straight answer out of Brian". Quote: What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe. How is "wrong" an observation? Let me guess, Brian will suddenly find this tangent incomprehensible.

I do.  You appear to be placing emphasis on a part of the sentence where I did not intended emphasis to be placed, FD.  Something I've observed you do when you're deliberately attempting to misconstrue something such as whether or not an article is pro or anti-suicide bombing.   Did you stop reading when you came to that word like you did with that article when you read about the prohibition against the mutilation of bodies?   ::)

Quote:

I do.  You appear to be placing emphasis on a part of the sentence where I did not intended emphasis to be placed, FD.

Yes, I apologise for asking you inconvenient questions Brian. So, lets go back to the beginning.


freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm: What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, despite what Adamant/FD/Soren/Moses/Yadda/etc. may believe.   ::) Are you entitled to make that criticism Brian? freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm: Quote: Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights? [quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death. All 7 establish Islam as the state religion. Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/ I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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Circular logic, FD?    ::)

No answer then brian just ad hominem.

Adamant wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

No answer then brian just ad hominem.

No credibility from Adamant...   ::)

No Brian, I just thought I'd repost the question, now that you realise what I was referring to.

Do you allow yourself to do things you have no right, nor even ability to, so long as it is not the part of the sentence you intended people to pay attention to?

Sometimes a question is just a question, Brian.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

We will have the usual bunch condemning all Muslims for the crimes of a minority of Muslims who are considered by the majority Muslims as extremists.  Of course that is unfair on the majority Muslims but hey, that doesn't matter when you're a bigot.   ::) What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims,

ISIS/ISIL are taking captured women as sex slaves, of course the morally bankrupt Islamic apologists will defend this Islamic practice.

How is Isis doing anything wrong Islamically with taking captured women as sex slaves,are they just following the example of their prophet?

Profit Mo gained a few wives after attacking jewish tribes,Juwairiya and Saffiya were married to Mo after his muslim followers killed their husbands in cowardly surprise attacks.
Take note of this hadith which mentions profit Mo capturing a wife-
sunnah.com/muslim/32/1

The oldest Islamic website on the internet says sex slaves are halal for muslim men, the wife has no right to object to her husband banging his sex slave.
islamqa.info/en/10382

What ISIS are doing in taking captured women as sex slaves is exactly what Profit Mohammad did, lets see the apologists try and deny this fact.

But of course IS is only a minority...and the fact that a so called "minority" can sweep through the country without much ado clearly shows that the "majority" of muslims secretly support them (as a lot of us have said all along) or they haven't got the balls to stand up to this "minority".Either way the "minority" wins.

An update.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720723/ISIS-threatens-execute-300-Yazidi-families-ve-surrounded-northern-Iraq-extremists-continue-lay-siege-mountain-50-000-minority-holed-without-food-water.html

True scum. True Islam.

Adamant wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

An update. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720723/ISIS-threatens-execute-300-Yazidi-families-ve-surrounded-northern-Iraq-extremists-continue-lay-siege-mountain-50-000-minority-holed-without-food-water.html True scum. True Islam.

The US trained hundreds of ISIS in jordan.

Quote:

The oldest Islamic website on the internet says sex slaves are halal for muslim men, the wife has no right to object to her husband banging his sex slave.

Brian has no right to object either. He is not even capable of it. Unless of course he sticks it in the part of the sentence he did not intend you to pay attention to. We all slip up occasionally.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

Quote: The oldest Islamic website on the internet says sex slaves are halal for muslim men, the wife has no right to object to her husband banging his sex slave. Brian has no right to object either. He is not even capable of it. Unless of course he sticks it in the part of the sentence he did not intend you to pay attention to. We all slip up occasionally.

Do you apply the same standards of censorship to the 2007 FD, FD?

I’m curious.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm: We will have the usual bunch condemning all Muslims for the crimes of a minority of Muslims who are considered by the majority Muslims as extremists.  Of course that is unfair on the majority Muslims but hey, that doesn't matter when you're a bigot.   ::) What IS followers are doing is wrong but they are not supported by the majority of Muslims, ISIS/ISIL are taking captured women as sex slaves, of course the morally bankrupt Islamic apologists will defend this Islamic practice.

Can you point to a post which defends it, Baron?   ::)

Who are you railing against?   ::)

I have noticed Gandalf trying valiantly to lay all the blame on western interference. It's got nothing to do with Islam of course.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

I have noticed Gandalf trying valiantly to lay all the blame on western interference. It's got nothing to do with Islam of course.

Please provide a direct link and quote, FD?

Unfortunately we've see how you deliberately misconstrue things to support your views on matters Islam and the behaviour of Muslims.    ::)

I hope Gandalf appreciates you sticking up for him. He can be a bit ungrateful at times.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

I hope Gandalf appreciates you sticking up for him. He can be a bit ungrateful at times.

I am asking a question which I note you did not answer, instead preferring a swipe at me, FD.    ::)

It was a swipe at Gandalf, Brian. Do try to keep up. You did not ask a question either.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

It was a swipe at Gandalf, Brian. Do try to keep up. You did not ask a question either.

Didn't I?  What was this then?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 7:45pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:33pm: I have noticed Gandalf trying valiantly to lay all the blame on western interference. It's got nothing to do with Islam of course. Please provide a direct link and quote, FD? Unfortunately we've see how you deliberately misconstrue things to support your views on matters Islam and the behaviour of Muslims.    ::)

After Gaddafi and his whole regime became history, it then came to light that he was some sort of sex monster with an almost permanent erection, and had an endless parade of women escorted to his bed over a period of decades.

He even had his own permanent team of 'Talent Scouts'  ;D ;D ;D (sorry ~ I shouldn't laugh, this is serious) who scoured the villages and towns throughout the land looking for new ... er ... 'distractions' for Gaddafi's insatiable appetite for bedroom frolics.

Sounds a lot like Muhammed.

Brian, it was not a question.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Sounds a lot like Muhammed. Brian, it was not a question.

As you appear to want to be deliberately obtuse, I have made sure it is a question by adding a question mark to the end of the sentence.   Now, are you going to continue to dance around it or will you answer it, FD?  ::) 

Please provide a direct quote or a link to where you, "have noticed Gandalf trying valiantly to lay all the blame on western interference." for the antics of IS?

This is a question?

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

This is a question?

Yes.   ::) ::) ::) ::)

You made the claim.  Please provide the evidence or do we have to put in the same classification as Adamant?   ::)

Adamant wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

ISIS is taking islam back to its ROOTS. ;D At the same killing, because its against the quran to rape a married women.

The Satanic filth peddled by the Quran and hadith put in no uncertain terms that rape of married women is not off limits:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm

Surah 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:...

Sahih Muslim: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

Captives are fair game whether married or not, as a wife, a concubine, or to pimp out as prostitutes:

Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

So when they don't desire chastity, prostitute them and make a gain. Perhaps they want to share in that gain or maybe just get some distance from their filthy captor for a little while.
But then even if you compel them, Allah is forgiving!
Pretty convenient god for an army of imperialistic conquering, female prisoner violating, murderous, thieves.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza

As the Muslim in Great Britain at the beginning of this video suggests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0


Adamant wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

"ISIL has killed 500 Yazidis and abducted 500 women as slave concubines in Sinjar, Iraqi MP Fayyan Dahel told a press conference Tuesday in the parliament in Baghdad" They are kufr after all, what should they expect from the racist most bigoted people on earth?  "Sinjar is the traditional home of the Yazidi, an eclectic religious sect fusing Zoroastrian, Manichaean, Jewish, Nestorian Christian and Islamic elements. It is regarded as heretical by orthodox Islamic scholars" "orthodox Islamic scholars" that explains it all! http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/169933/hundreds-of-yazidis-killed-by-isil-says-iraqi-mp.html

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:17pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:02pm: Sounds a lot like Muhammed. Brian, it was not a question. As you appear to want to be deliberately obtuse, I have made sure it is a question by adding a question mark to the end of the sentence.   Now, are you going to continue to dance around it or will you answer it, FD?  ::)  Please provide a direct quote or a link to where you, "have noticed Gandalf trying valiantly to lay all the blame on western interference." for the antics of IS?

Now now, BR, sometimes a question is just a question, remember.

If you want to ask FD a question, you need to start another thread and ask him there.

Mind you, the Moderator won't allow personal threads, so your question may well be deleted.

Just answer FD's questions in future, thanks.

Pete Waldo wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 3:24am:

Captives are fair game whether married or not, as a wife, a concubine, or to pimp out as prostitutes: Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), So when they don't desire chastity, prostitute them and make a gain. Perhaps they want to share in that gain or maybe just get some distance from their filthy captor for a little while. But then even if you compel them, Allah is forgiving!

Is English your second language or does your bigotry prevent you reading that properly?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

It does not say what you claim it says.  What it says is that God forgives the women forced into prostitution because it was done against their will, not that God forgives the forcers of women into prostitution!   

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What it says is that God forgives the women forced into prostitution because it was done against their will, not that God forgives the forcers of women into prostitution!

Prove that it says allah forgives a woman who has committed no sin.

Why does someone who has not committed a sin need pardon and mercy?

Only people who have perpetrated a sin need forgiving and mercy e.g: the muslim rapist.


 

moses wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Quote: What it says is that God forgives the women forced into prostitution because it was done against their will, not that God forgives the forcers of women into prostitution! Prove that it says allah forgives a woman who has committed no sin.

If you parse the verse properly you'll find out that is what is said.


Quote:

Why does someone who has not committed a sin need pardon and mercy?

Because prostitution is a sin? 


Quote:

Only people who have perpetrated a sin need forgiving and mercy e.g: the muslim rapist.

See above.   You really do have to twist stuff to suit your bigoted viewpoint.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Your post shows you are unable to prove that it says allah forgives a woman who has committed no sin.

Your answer to: Why does someone who has not committed a sin need pardon and mercy?

Was: Because prostitution is a sin? 

So what your doing is supporting the islamic value that if a female is raped, she has automatically become a prostitute?

You failed to show that the verse does not permit rape of women, or that muslims are forgiven for forced prostitution of women.

moses wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Your post shows you are unable to prove that it says allah forgives a woman who has committed no sin. Your answer to: Why does someone who has not committed a sin need pardon and mercy? Was: Because prostitution is a sin?  So what your doing is supporting the islamic value that if a female is raped, she has automatically become a prostitute? You failed to show that the verse does not permit rape of women, or that muslims are forgiven for forced prostitution of women.

You really, really are one sick little puppy mate.  Amazing the amount of intolerance that oozes out of every byte of your messages.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

While spineless bootlicking apologists like you support islamic values of:

If a woman is raped she is a prostitute.

If a woman commits no sin she needs to be forgiven by allah.

moses wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

While spineless bootlicking apologists like you support islamic values of: If a woman is raped she is a prostitute. If a woman commits no sin she needs to be forgiven by allah.

That is not what is being said.  Reread it with an open mind for a change.  Intolerant bigot.   ;D ;D :D  ;D ;D ;D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:29pm: This is a question? Yes.   ::) ::) ::) ::) You made the claim.  Please provide the evidence or do we have to put in the same classification as Adamant?   ::)

You can do whatever you want Brian.

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:29pm: This is a question? Yes.   ::) ::) ::) ::) You made the claim.  Please provide the evidence or do we have to put in the same classification as Adamant?   ::) You can do whatever you want Brian.

I agree, FD. Brian should be free to blame Islam too.

Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog?

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog?

A vexing question, FD. Food for thought, eh?

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog?

Do you?  From what I can see, Brian largely ignores what Gandalf says.    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:02pm: Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog? Do you?

Another good question. It is good debating, no?

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:02pm: Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog? Do you?  From what I can see, Brian largely ignores what Gandalf says.    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

He does this with all Muslims. They are much easier to stick up for that way.

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 11:14am: freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:02pm: Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog? Do you?  From what I can see, Brian largely ignores what Gandalf says.    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D He does this with all Muslims. They are much easier to stick up for that way.

That's an answer, FD. Kindly stick to the questions.

Are you a Paki islamic sex slave karnal?

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 11:14am: freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:02pm: Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog? Do you?  From what I can see, Brian largely ignores what Gandalf says.    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D He does this with all Muslims. They are much easier to stick up for that way.

And I thought he just had his own opinion on the issues under discussion!  I am enlightened more every day I post here.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Shakey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Are you a Paki islamic sex slave karnal?

He wishes!  Or is that Greg?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Shakey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Are you a Paki islamic sex slave karnal?

You stick to the answers. You're usually very good at them, Shakey, given you come from Western Sydney.

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Brian, do you see Gandalf as your little underdog?

Nope.  I see him as someone who has considerably more patience than me.  That is, unless he is me.  Then I have his patience!  Aren't I lucky?  ;)

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 3:24am: Captives are fair game whether married or not, as a wife, a concubine, or to pimp out as prostitutes: Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), So when they don't desire chastity, prostitute them and make a gain. Perhaps they want to share in that gain or maybe just get some distance from their filthy captor for a little while. But then even if you compel them, Allah is forgiving! Is English your second language or does your bigotry prevent you reading that properly?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D It does not say what you claim it says.  What it says is that God forgives the women forced into prostitution because it was done against their will, not that God forgives the forcers of women into prostitution!

Thanks for the instructive illustration regarding the depravity of the Muslim mind. Your reply suggests that women who were forced into prostitution would need God's forgiveness to begin with. When it was not their choice or fault right out of the gate. What a depraved god that would be to condemn a woman for being forced into prostitution - to need forgiveness for being the victim. Just the kind of god that Muhammad followed through the slaughter of his imperialistic conquest, sex slave making, torture, rape, thievery, and child doing depravity.
I got it right my friend. Your view is a non-starter. It is the man who forces her into prostitution that Muhammad's "Allah" forgives. The rapists of the vanquished. Pretty convenient god for an imperialistic army of cutthroat rapist thieves!

Bukhari:V5B59N459 Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus."
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

I suppose next you'll be trying to tell us that Muhammad was instructing his boys not to rape the captives (as he himself did Rayhanah), rather than his in fact instructing them to go ahead and complete the sex act, thereby impregnating the captives if "Allah" willed that the violated women become pregnant.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#captive_abuse

moses wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

So what your doing is supporting the islamic value that if a female is raped, she has automatically become a prostitute?

Hi Moses! Perhaps not so much automatically becoming a prostitute, as their view that when a Muslim woman is the victim of rape, she then becomes so guilty she is deserving of punishment.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=rape+victim+lashed&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=rape+victim+lashed&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=32e34789264a44b19269bac5ede6a540
Indeed frequently considered so guilty - as the victim - that her own family will murder her in an "honor killing".
http://www.bing.com/search?q=honor+killing+rape+victim&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=honor+killing+rape+victim&sc=0-14&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=685e46b0b17d4722992884aff50d6113
I wonder how many of the 3,000 honor killings.................in England were rape victims?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOqAVTZY1Ok

Pete Waldo wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 11:17am: Pete Waldo wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 3:24am: Captives are fair game whether married or not, as a wife, a concubine, or to pimp out as prostitutes: Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), So when they don't desire chastity, prostitute them and make a gain. Perhaps they want to share in that gain or maybe just get some distance from their filthy captor for a little while. But then even if you compel them, Allah is forgiving! Is English your second language or does your bigotry prevent you reading that properly?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D It does not say what you claim it says.  What it says is that God forgives the women forced into prostitution because it was done against their will, not that God forgives the forcers of women into prostitution!    Thanks for the instructive illustration regarding the depravity of the Muslim mind. Your reply suggests that women who were forced into prostitution would need God's forgiveness to begin with. When it was not their choice or fault right out of the gate. What a depraved god that would be to condemn a woman for being forced into prostitution - to need forgiveness for being the victim. Just the kind of god that Muhammad followed through the slaughter of his imperialistic conquest, sex slave making, torture, rape, thievery, and child doing depravity. I got it right my friend. Your view is a non-starter. It is the man who forces her into prostitution that Muhammad's "Allah" forgives. The rapists of the vanquished. Pretty convenient god for an imperialistic army of cutthroat rapist thieves!

Perhaps you'd care to explain how the Bible perceives prostitutes and what it tells us about whether or not it's God forgives them their sin of prostitution?   I'd be very interested to see how you explain the differences between the Koran and the Bible.

As for myself, personally, I actually agree with you BUT I am simply pointing out that you are parsing the verse incorrectly.  It does not give forgiveness to the pimps but rather it says God forgives the prostitute, if she is forced into prostitution against her will, where as it would normally see prostitution as a sin.  The Old Testament Bible does not forgive prostitutes for the act of prostitution (although Christ did, if they repented).  No matter what their circumstances.  The Koran is saying that the circumstance of the woman must be considered, it cannot be ignored and she can't be condemned if she was forced to do it.

Perhaps you need to open your mind a bit rather than allowing prejudice to control it?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D

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if she is forced into prostitution against her will, where as it would normally see prostitution as a sin.

Why does allah have to forgive someone if they are forced into prostitution against their will?

Are muslims saying women who are raped (forced against their will to have sex) innumerable times by muslim sexual degenerates, who are willing to pay muslim pimps, for the act of relieving themselves in a defenceless woman, are prostitutes?

Ever consider that the instructions might not be to Allah to forgive but rather an explanation that if Allah forgives, then so should men?  That'd be too simple, wouldn't it and it wouldn't allow you to condemn Islam, now would it?  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

It would be KISS.

Devout muslims in twitter.


http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/08/muslims-on-twitter-discussing-sex-with.html

How do you know they are devout?
How do you know they are Muslims?
How do you know they know what they are talking about?

So many simple questions that your bigoted viewpoint saves you from answering. 

Like you, they have no credibility.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

How do you know they are devout?

All Muslims are perfect, or so they would have us believe. I am kufr according to your lot! A true muslim cannot declare he is better than another muslim can he! Also they are waging Jihad for islam, wonder what they think of you?


|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

How do you know they are Muslims?

WTF "Women can be taken as captives men can be killed. The Prophet approved this when Banu Qurayzrh"


|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

How do you know they know what they are talking about?

"@mujahid4life is there a limit to how many slave women you can have"



|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

So many simple questions that your bigoted viewpoint saves you from answering

Muslims are the most bigoted of all peoples in the world look at what you are doing in Iraq today, have a gander at what you do to Hindus both now and in the past. Buddhist Greek Orthodox in fact all religions in Islamic reach have been persistently persecuted by mo's men since its inception. Your mob are all racist bigots and that is without exception!

I believe you would be eligible for adult reading lessons, get your wife to send me a pm where you live and I will find a class for you that's close. Or just lay off the turps.

No Credibility. 


;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :) :) :) ::) ::) ::) :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D :) :) :) :) :D ;D :o :o ::) ::)

Adamant wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: How do you know they are devout? All Muslims are perfect, or so they would have us believe. I am kufr according to your lot! A true muslim cannot declare he is better than another muslim can he! Also they are waging Jihad for islam, wonder what they think of you?

My "lot"?  What makes you believe I am a Muslim except your prejudice?

No Muslim is perfect as any Muslim will tell you.  They all strive for perfection, that is the nature of all religions.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

So, it seems you have no proof of their devoutness.


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: How do you know they are Muslims? WTF "Women can be taken as captives men can be killed. The Prophet approved this when Banu Qurayzrh"

How can you prove they are not bigots like yourself setting out to undertake a false-flag operation?

Anybody can register an account as anyone under Twitter.


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: How do you know they know what they are talking about? "@mujahid4life is there a limit to how many slave women you can have"

Sounds like a question, not an authoritative answer.  How do you know anything they say is truthful?  Oh, thats right, your prejudice tells you so!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: So many simple questions that your bigoted viewpoint saves you from answering Muslims are the most bigoted of all peoples in the world look at what you are doing in Iraq today, have a gander at what you do to Hindus both now and in the past. Buddhist Greek Orthodox in fact all religions in Islamic reach have been persistently persecuted by mo's men since its inception. Your mob are all racist bigots and that is without exception! I believe you would be eligible for adult reading lessons, get your wife to send me a pm where you live and I will find a class for you that's close. Or just lay off the turps. No Credibility.

So, you believe two wrongs make a right?  That your prejudice is justified because other people are prejudiced?  Pretty simplistic don't you think?  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Made up any new lies lately?  New statistics that no one else can find?   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

An apologist wrote:

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Ever consider that the instructions might not be to Allah to forgive but rather an explanation that if Allah forgives, then so should men?  That'd be too simple, wouldn't it and it wouldn't allow you to condemn Islam, now would it?

Why does allah or muslims have to forgive someone if they are forced into prostitution against their will?

Are you as the apologist and  muslims saying: women who are raped (forced against their will to have sex) innumerable times by muslim sexual degenerates, who are willing to pay muslim pimps, for the act of relieving themselves in a defenceless woman, are prostitutes?

Until you can prove what you say, it remains clear that qur'an 24.33 is most certainly full permission for muslims to rape women

|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Adamant wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 2:09pm: |dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: How do you know they are devout? All Muslims are perfect, or so they would have us believe. I am kufr according to your lot! A true muslim cannot declare he is better than another muslim can he! Also they are waging Jihad for islam, wonder what they think of you? My "lot"?  What makes you believe I am a Muslim except your prejudice? No Muslim is perfect as any Muslim will tell you.  They all strive for perfection, that is the nature of all religions.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D So, it seems you have no proof of their devoutness. Quote: |dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: How do you know they are Muslims? WTF "Women can be taken as captives men can be killed. The Prophet approved this when Banu Qurayzrh" How can you prove they are not bigots like yourself setting out to undertake a false-flag operation? Anybody can register an account as anyone under Twitter. [quote] |dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: How do you know they know what they are talking about? "@mujahid4life is there a limit to how many slave women you can have"

Sounds like a question, not an authoritative answer.  How do you know anything they say is truthful?  Oh, thats right, your prejudice tells you so!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm: So many simple questions that your bigoted viewpoint saves you from answering Muslims are the most bigoted of all peoples in the world look at what you are doing in Iraq today, have a gander at what you do to Hindus both now and in the past. Buddhist Greek Orthodox in fact all religions in Islamic reach have been persistently persecuted by mo's men since its inception. Your mob are all racist bigots and that is without exception! I believe you would be eligible for adult reading lessons, get your wife to send me a pm where you live and I will find a class for you that's close. Or just lay off the turps. No Credibility.

So, you believe two wrongs make a right?  That your prejudice is justified because other people are prejudiced?  Pretty simplistic don't you think?  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Made up any new lies lately?  New statistics that no one else can find?   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D
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I love the way apologist's just cry black ops when it involves muslims. It's so much easier for them to explain away the truth. Your more prejudiced than I for you will defend only muslims.

How do you know that no muslim is perfect if you are not one?

Two wrongs make a right? As you are a racist bigot perhaps you will be able to answer that yourself.

Another term for black ops is conspiracy theory and another term for that is Paranoia.

Adamant wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

I love the way apologist's just cry black ops when it involves muslims. It's so much easier for them to explain away the truth. Your more prejudiced than I for you will defend only muslims.

I'll defend anyone who I think is getting a raw deal.

I mentioned Black Flag operation because you cannot and did not present any proof to prove that those comments were actually posted by Muslims.


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How do you know that no muslim is perfect if you are not one?

Perhaps because I've been told that by Muslims I know and I've read it as well?  Education and experience are wonderful things you know?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


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Two wrongs make a right? As you are a racist bigot perhaps you will be able to answer that yourself.

You haven't proved I am either a "racist" or a "bigot".  We have proved you, on the otherhand are a bigot and a liar.

You're the one who is justifying his attitude by appealing to the actions of others, no one else.  For you, it definitely seems that if someone else does something bad, that makes it OK for you to do something bad!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


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Another term for black ops is conspiracy theory and another term for that is Paranoia.

No, it isn't.  I know they're out to get me.    :D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

I'll defend anyone who I think is getting a raw deal.

Christians in Iraq?


|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

I mentioned Black Flag operation because you cannot and did not present any proof to prove that those comments were actually posted by Muslims

Paranoia!


|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

Perhaps because I've been told that by Muslims

Another lie?


|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

You haven't proved I am either a "racist" or a "bigot".

All you have to do to prove it to yourself is look back at what you have posted, take what you say about Yadda for instance.


|dev|null wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

No, it isn't.  I know they're out to get me

That's the first honest thing you have said about yourself!

Adamant wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:23pm: I'll defend anyone who I think is getting a raw deal. Christians in Iraq?

Show me a thread where someone is suggesting that Christians in Iraq should be discriminated against or their rights suppressed or their freedoms curtailed and I'll defend them.


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:23pm: I mentioned Black Flag operation because you cannot and did not present any proof to prove that those comments were actually posted by Muslims Paranoia!

No, realistic.  How is it paranoid to ask for proof?


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:23pm: Perhaps because I've been told that by Muslims Another lie?

Are you claiming I'm lying?

Or are you claiming Muslims have lied to me?

On what evidence?   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:23pm: You haven't proved I am either a "racist" or a "bigot".  All you have to do to prove it to yourself is look back at what you have posted, take what you say about Yadda for instance.

What?  That isn't bigotry, that's simple dislike against one individual because he is a bigot, like you.  Perhaps I'm bigoted against bigots?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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|dev|null wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:23pm: No, it isn't.  I know they're out to get me That's the first honest thing you have said about yourself!

Everything I say about myself is honest.   :D :D :D :D :D

When it comes to sex slavery and pedophilia I think Islam and the Roman Catholic Church are equally guilty. Just the Catholics put in a lot more effort to hide it...

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How can you prove they are not bigots like yourself setting out to undertake a false-flag operation?

There must be an aweful lot of that going on. No such thing as a true Muslim eh?


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I'll defend anyone who I think is getting a raw deal.

Who is getting a raw deal? ISIS?


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I mentioned Black Flag operation because you cannot and did not present any proof to prove that those comments were actually posted by Muslims.

So Muslims cannot be taken for their word, unless we prove they are Muslims, or you approve of what they say?


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You haven't proved I am either a "racist" or a "bigot".

Nor have you for anyone else.


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When it comes to sex slavery and pedophilia I think Islam and the Roman Catholic Church are equally guilty. Just the Catholics put in a lot more effort to hide it...

Would you go so far as to say they even forbid it?

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

Quote: How can you prove they are not bigots like yourself setting out to undertake a false-flag operation? There must be an aweful lot of that going on. No such thing as a true Muslim eh?

Who knows as the old meme says:
http://fireden.net/4chan/images.4chan.org//vg/src/1391630901915.jpg   

Woof! Woof! ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D


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[quote]I'll defend anyone who I think is getting a raw deal.

Who is getting a raw deal? ISIS?
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No, I don't consider they're getting a raw deal.  Do you?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D


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[quote]I mentioned Black Flag operation because you cannot and did not present any proof to prove that those comments were actually posted by Muslims.

So Muslims cannot be taken for their word, unless we prove they are Muslims, or you approve of what they say?
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Yes.  No.  Thanks for trying, please call again!   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D


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[quote]You haven't proved I am either a "racist" or a "bigot".

Nor have you for anyone else.
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Funny, I don't have to.  You do a good job of condemning yourself from your own keyboard FD!  Do you really believe you're giving Muslims a fair go?  I can't think of anybody else who agrees with you who has any credibility. I've never seen you acknowledge one good thing that Muslims have done, whether it's helping old people or being kind to kids.  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


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[quote]When it comes to sex slavery and pedophilia I think Islam and the Roman Catholic Church are equally guilty. Just the Catholics put in a lot more effort to hide it...

Would you go so far as to say they even forbid it?[/quote]

Doesn't matter if they forbid it.  The Christians ignore it when it does happen under their noses!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

Would you go so far as to say they even forbid it?

No, I wouldn't. We know they abuse children behind closed doors. Priests, bishops, cardinals etc.

gone wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 6:42pm: Would you go so far as to say they even forbid it? No, I wouldn't. We know they abuse children behind closed doors. Priests, bishops, cardinals etc.

Do they have those in Islam?

Good heavens, it’s worse than I thought.

That should bump up the Muslim paedophile statistics don’t you think, FD?

Adamant wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

ISIS is taking islam back to its ROOTS. ;D At the same killing, because its against the quran to rape a married women. "ISIL has killed 500 Yazidis and abducted 500 women as slave concubines in Sinjar, Iraqi MP Fayyan Dahel told a press conference Tuesday in the parliament in Baghdad" They are kufr after all, what should they expect from the racist most bigoted people on earth?  "Sinjar is the traditional home of the Yazidi, an eclectic religious sect fusing Zoroastrian, Manichaean, Jewish, Nestorian Christian and Islamic elements. It is regarded as heretical by orthodox Islamic scholars" "orthodox Islamic scholars" that explains it all! http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/169933/hundreds-of-yazidis-killed-by-isil-says-iraqi-mp.html

False images used to ‘prove’ slavery, genital mutilation under ISIS

...dozens of photos circulating on social media networks and the media claiming to show the barbaric acts of the Islamist group are, in fact, fake.

While ISIS has claimed responsibility for multiple acts of horrific violence, many of the shocking images published online and attributed to the jihadist group have actually been taken out of context and falsely labelled...

...Photos of women allegedly sold as slaves

Citing an Iraqi parliamentarian, several websites claimed that hundreds of women from the Yazidi community had been sold as slaves after the capture of Sinjar at the beginning of August. One photo showing women chained and veiled spread on social networks and was taken as proof of the claim. It turns out that this image was taken during a Shiite procession in the town of Nabatieh, in southern Lebanon, in 2013.

Several media outlets broadcast a video of a group marriage in July in Mosul, Iraq. These women were allegedly forced to marry jihadists.

In reality, the video shows the marriage ceremony of an Islamist fighter in Syria. In the video, the master of ceremonies says [at 0:20] “I congratulate our brother and friend the groom…” showing that the marriage is for one man only. The original video was published in June 2013, well before the arrival of ISIS in Iraq.

A ‘fatwa’ on genital mutilation

At the end of July, a representative of the United Nations in Iraq claimed that ISIS had ordered the genital mutilation of all the women and young girls living in the Mosul region. The claim was founded on the basis of a ‘fake fatwa’ that had been circulating online for several months and which references the cities of Aleppo and Azaz in Syria.

Other extravagant claims have been circulating online: ISIS has reportedly, for example, ordered farmers to hide cows’ udders because they’re deemed ‘indecent’. The news hasn’t been confirmed, and so far no image of hidden udders has been published...

http://observers.france24.com/files/obs_article_images/esclaves.jpg

http://observers.france24.com/content/20140812-slavery-genital-mutilation-collective-marriage-fake-isis-images

So, whats with the chains?  A bondage convention?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?

Can't see much violence in the hostage convention photo, FD.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?

So FD you don't have a problem with fake photos and fatwas going around to smear islam....

....because islam smears itself anyway?

The obvious question then, why the need for all these fake photos and fatwas?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:41pm: Quote: witness testimony in legal matters Does that include the relative value of testimony from women and non-Muslims? [quote]eg laws around marriage Is there anything about sex with female slaves in the Koran, or anything that forbids it?

We are talking about the ahadith, and I'd like to keep it to that please.
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Ok-

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The messenger of allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse,but Aisha and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him- Then allah revealed- O prophet why did you forbid that which allah has allowed to you. sunnah.com/nasai/36/21

Is this the verse allah revealed when Mo was busted rooting his Coptic christian sex slave?
quran.com/66/1

The hadith lets us know the context of that Quran verse,Mo was busted rooting his coptic christian sex slave, his wives objected to him rooting his sex slaves and desired for it to be forbidden, then just in the nick of time Allah was there to reveal a verse allowing Mo to root his sex slave.

Sex slaves are halal for muslim men,if a muslim man takes a female for a sex slave he is just following the example of profit mo.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:22pm: freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:41pm: Quote: witness testimony in legal matters Does that include the relative value of testimony from women and non-Muslims? [quote]eg laws around marriage Is there anything about sex with female slaves in the Koran, or anything that forbids it? We are talking about the ahadith, and I'd like to keep it to that please.

Ok-

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The messenger of allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse,but Aisha and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him- Then allah revealed- O prophet why did you forbid that which allah has allowed to you. sunnah.com/nasai/36/21

Is this the verse allah revealed when Mo was busted rooting his Coptic christian sex slave?
quran.com/66/1

The hadith lets us know the context of that Quran verse,Mo was busted rooting his coptic christian sex slave, his wives objected to him rooting his sex slaves and desired for it to be forbidden, then just in the nick of time Allah was there to reveal a verse allowing Mo to root his sex slave.

Sex slaves are halal for muslim men,if a muslim man takes a female for a sex slave he is just following the example of profit mo.

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Baron must be a kind of genie, G. From here on, it's a thread on sex slaves.

Yes, Master. Your wish is my command.

The last 2 Posts were moved here from Islam by gandalf.

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So FD you don't have a problem with fake photos and fatwas going around to smear islam....

This is ISIS remember. I'm sure even you would agree they are pretty much the bottom of the barrel. If an article is a rebuttal of photos being passed around on facebook, it sounds like a strawman to me, in an attempt to draw sympathy for head hacking Muslim extremists. And no, it does not bother me at all what gets spread around on facebook.


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The obvious question then, why the need for all these fake photos and fatwas?

There is no need for them, that is why there was no evidence at all of the original "problem". For all we know it could have only reached 100 people wordlwide, and was presented as a joke. It is simply another example showing that no matter how depraved the acts of Islamic extremists, Muslims will still attempt to paint them as some kind of victim.

It isn't just facebook - its reached MSM.

How is exposing fakes a strawman?

Basically what I said - that any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?


freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

an attempt to draw sympathy for head hacking Muslim extremists.

Or, exposing blatant lies designed to smear ordinary muslims.

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It isn't just facebook - its reached MSM.

That old messenger service? Isn't that like saying it has reached email?


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How is exposing fakes a strawman?

When you really have to go looking for them.


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Basically what I said - that any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?

I prefer to criticise them for what they actually do. Getting it wrong just fuels the Islamic victimhood machine. Hence the wiki.


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Basically what I said - that any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?

ISIS are ordinary Muslims? That's not how it normally plays out Gandalf. You are the ordinary one. ISIS are the rare extremity that doesn't really exist.

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

That old messenger service? Isn't that like saying it has reached email?

MSM - mainstream media, not MSN


freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

When you really have to go looking for them.

No one "really had to go looking" for the FGM story - it was all over the news. Perhaps you missed it.


freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

I prefer to criticise them for what they actually do. Getting it wrong just fuels the Islamic victimhood machine. Hence the wiki.

Precisely why you should be condemning those fakes - not spinelessly apologising for them.


freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

ISIS are ordinary Muslims? That's not how it normally plays out Gandalf.

Try again FD, and this time see if you can answer a question without raising another question:

any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?

What exactly was published in the mainstream media?

How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims?


Quote:

any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?

I just finished explaining why I disagree.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 10:08pm:

What exactly was published in the mainstream media?

The fake FGM story


freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 10:08pm:

How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims?

Now FD, where did I say that?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 6:33pm: an attempt to draw sympathy for head hacking Muslim extremists. Or, exposing blatant lies designed to smear ordinary muslims.

Do you know the difference between legitimate criticism and inventing lies FD?

You mean what we have been talking about for the last few pages?


polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 10:25pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:08pm: How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims? Now FD, where did I say that?

Can I ask the question now?

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 8:40am:

You mean what we have been talking about for the last few pages?

You have gone out of your way to sidestep this key question. I have no issues with criticising ISIS, I have made it clear I am only talking about the lies - so why do you continue acting obtuse about this?

The FGM story was a fake - most of MSM have retracted their original story. Mahdi spent most of his final days here posting pictures from an Iranian feature film claiming it was a real life Syrian woman being stoned for posting on facebook. He couldn't even bring himself to concede t was fake after I proved to him it was. I see parallels in your attitude to these ISIS lies. You have all but said these lies shouldn't be acknowledged because ISIS is the bottom of the barrel anyway.

Why is this important? To defend ISIS? - no. To acknowledge this is part of a vile campaign to smear all muslims

How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 9:05am:

I have no issues with criticising ISIS, I have made it clear I am only talking about the lies - so why do you continue acting obtuse about this?

Are you going to continue playing dumb?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 10:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 9:05am: I have no issues with criticising ISIS, I have made it clear I am only talking about the lies - so why do you continue acting obtuse about this? Are you going to continue playing dumb?

It is something that FD seems to excel at, Gandalf.   ::)

Oh, wait, does that mean I'll now have another attack thread opened?   ;D

Oh look, the original question I asked has gone unanswered, despite endless demands I justify asking it.


freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?

Well you didn't ask me that, but no I am not denying they are mistreating women etc, and yes I am complaining about fake photos that are meant to defame islam (as well as pointing out the absurdity of people thinking it necessary to invent stories about ISIS, of all people). And no, as I keep saying we are not talking about a few facebook photos, but what was reported in MSM.

Good point Gandalf. This is the question I asked you:

How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

ISIS, of all people

Are you for the Islamic State or against it, Gandy?

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims?

Its not.

Would it help if I wrote it in a different language?

So what were you on about here?


polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 6:33pm: an attempt to draw sympathy for head hacking Muslim extremists. Or, exposing blatant lies designed to smear ordinary muslims.

I am glad it only takes a page or so to get a straight answer these days.

it was in response to your ridiculing of people who dared to point out that some of the stories about ISIS are fake.

For pointing out the truth, you call it "an attempt to draw sympathy for head hacking Muslim extremists", whereas I call it "exposing blatant lies designed to smear ordinary muslims".

Has it sunk in yet that I am only talking about the propagation of lies - and that I never in any way said that legitimate criticism of ISIS is equal to smearing ordinary muslims?

My question was not about why you think it is a lie, but why you think it is "designed to smear ordinary Muslims".

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

My question was not about why you think it is a lie, but why you think it is "designed to smear ordinary Muslims".

No, your question was about "criticising ISIS" - which I don't consider the same as propagating lies.

The FGM issue has been the flavour of the month for islamophobes, which is understandable - the most effective and emotive racism throughout history has always been related to frightening people about 'what they want to do with our women'. And it is not the first time fake stories of this nature directed at islamic communities have surfaced. Just because fake stories emerge about a group that smears itself very well anyway, it doesn't mean they are not designed to smear islam and ordinary muslims.

And just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Why you think it is "designed to smear ordinary Muslims", other than that it would not be the first time? Do you think that the community ISIS is creating is an ordinary Islamic community?

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Why you think it is "designed to smear ordinary Muslims"

um.. can you think of any other reason to invent these fake stories?

To smear ISIS? For fun? To see how many "ordinary" Muslims will seek out any opportunity to stand up for ISIS?

yep - must be one of those  :P

As you were.

These are all plausible explanations Gandalf. Why do you leap to a conspiracy to smear "ordinary Muslims"?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 6:31pm: How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims? Its not. Would it help if I wrote it in a different language?

Yeah, mebbe you should have a translator, like the 'grand' mufti. That way you could say anything and the opposite of anything.
Being restricted to English you seem to be caught out too often.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

These are all plausible explanations Gandalf. Why do you leap to a conspiracy to smear "ordinary Muslims"?

I agree FD - people like Yadda and Mahdi who propagate these fakes have absolutely no interest in smearing "ordinary muslims".  :P

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

For fun?

It is a jolly world, no?

FD wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:23am:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 8:20pm: For fun? It is a jolly world, no?

It is amusing, yes, to watch FD squirm when his posts have a light shined on the dark corners in which they normally fester.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 8:35pm: These are all plausible explanations Gandalf. Why do you leap to a conspiracy to smear "ordinary Muslims"? I agree FD - people like Yadda and Mahdi who propagate these fakes have absolutely no interest in smearing "ordinary muslims".  :P

Ah yes - Muslims, the perpetual victims.

Where are the *ordinary* muslims who are condemning those teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century?

Untill they (if they exist) come out of the woodwork, all muslims are in it together, some physically, some morally.

moses wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Where are the *ordinary* muslims who are condemning those teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century? Untill they (if they exist) come out of the woodwork, all muslims are in it together, some physically, some morally.

Where are the *ordinary* Christians who are condemning those teachings of the Bible, the commands of God in the Bible and  verses in the Testaments (which inspire the Christian terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Where are the *ordinary* Christians who are condemning those teachings of the Bible, the commands of God in the Bible and  verses in the Testaments (which inspire the Christian terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century?

Give us an example, Wheeze.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Why you think it is "designed to smear ordinary Muslims" um.. can you think of any other reason to invent these fake stories?

Gandy, do you support or oppose the caliphate being established by the Islamic State?

ooh goody an inquisition - haven't had one of those for a while.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

ooh goody an inquisition - haven't had one of those for a while.

Asking simple questions about where you stand strikes you as inquisitorial.

I am against the Islamic State.

See? No inquisition, just a simple question, easily answered. I thought this was an easy way to tell the 'tiny minority' from the 'vast majority'.

Soren wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

I am against the Islamic State.

Ah yes, dear boy, but you haven't stated where you stand on the existence of the Lutheran state.

Some blame Luther. You?

Sorry if this puts you on the spot, dear chap. Feel free to answer in your own time.

Soren wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

I am against the Islamic State.

I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Asking simple questions about where you stand strikes you as inquisitorial. I am against the Islamic State.

I'm sorry S, it was presumptuous of me.

Though I have a suggestion for a perhaps more 'tactful' way of posing your question:

"are you with us or against us - boy?"

|dev|null wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:47pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:11pm: I am against the Islamic State. I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Silly HB - muslims are by default in favour of bloodthirsty murderous islamists - thats why the interrogations are necessary.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:11pm: I am against the Islamic State. I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Silly HB - muslims are by default in favour of bloodthirsty murderous islamists - thats why the interrogations are necessary.

Yes, Islam has a definite PR problem. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:11pm: I am against the Islamic State. I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Silly HB - muslims are by default in favour of bloodthirsty murderous islamists - thats why the interrogations are necessary.

Yes, but whatever you do, don't say you're against it, G. You'll get in big trouble for saying that.

You know the rules here. No cowering, handwringing, yeah-but-no-but arsecovering allowed. You're either with the Muselman or against him.

We blame Islam. The sooner you do that, the better.

Datalife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:51pm: |dev|null wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:11pm: I am against the Islamic State. I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Silly HB - muslims are by default in favour of bloodthirsty murderous islamists - thats why the interrogations are necessary. Yes, Islam has a definite PR problem.

Now if only we can just get them to confess.

FD wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

Datalife wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:10pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:51pm: |dev|null wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:11pm: I am against the Islamic State. I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Silly HB - muslims are by default in favour of bloodthirsty murderous islamists - thats why the interrogations are necessary. Yes, Islam has a definite PR problem.  Now if only we can just get them to confess.

Tedious static. 

Datalife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

FD wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:12pm: Datalife wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:10pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:51pm: |dev|null wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:11pm: I am against the Islamic State. I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Silly HB - muslims are by default in favour of bloodthirsty murderous islamists - thats why the interrogations are necessary. Yes, Islam has a definite PR problem.  Now if only we can just get them to confess. Tedious static.

Good heavens, I would have thought FD's pertinent questions are much more than that, Data.

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, you know.

The price of Freeedom is FD's questions.

:-/
FD wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Good heavens, I would have thought FD's pertinent questions are much more than that, Data. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, you know. The price of Freeedom is FD's questions.

Over 20000 posts and hardly any of them worth the bandwidth or the bother of reading.  Tedious repetitious static. 

Reply #131 - Today at 2:44pm

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Where are the *ordinary* muslims who are condemning those teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century? Untill they (if they exist) come out of the woodwork, all muslims are in it together, some physically, some morally.

16 posts later:
So far not one one single muslim or their spineless, groveling, bootlicking  apologists have come out and condemned the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an, the recorded history in the hadi'th, which are the inspiration for (today 2014) islamic torture, terrorism and mass murder.

The obvious conclusion is: all muslims and their spineless apologists, are supporters of islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder.

moses wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Reply #131 - Today at 2:44pm Quote: Where are the *ordinary* muslims who are condemning those teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century? Untill they (if they exist) come out of the woodwork, all muslims are in it together, some physically, some morally. 16 posts later: So far not one one single muslim or their spineless, groveling, bootlicking  apologists have come out and condemned the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an, the recorded history in the hadi'th, which are the inspiration for (today 2014) islamic torture, terrorism and mass murder. The obvious conclusion is: all muslims and their spineless apologists, are supporters of islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder.

Here’s one for you, G. Moses would like you to come out and condemn Islam.

Sooner rather than later, thanks. Poor old Data’s losing his patience.

Once you hurry up and blame Islam with everybody else, Data will finally be able to catch some sleep.

Okay with you, Datalife?

Why do  the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an, plus the recorded history in the hadi'th, which are the inspiration for (today 2014) islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder, condemn islam?

Oh that's right, the above are the bread and butter, the core tenets of islam.

Oh well I've always said the truth will destroy islam.

moses wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

why do  the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an, plus the recorded history in the hadi'th, which are the inspiration for (today 2014) islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder, condemn islam? Oh that's right, the above are the bread and butter, the core tenets of islam. Oh well I've always said the truth will destroy islam.

Yes, they used to say the same about the laws of Moses, Moses. Frightful stuff - stoning, head hacking, burning, you name it, all in the Bible.

We could always blame Moses, but why should we do that when there’s an equally sinister prophet called Muhammed?

Moses, Muhammed, decisions decisions.

No, Moses, I blame Islam. And I trust you will too.

Your name, of course, has nothing to do with it.

Correlation not causation, innit.

3414 years ago Jooish laws and beliefs the best you can do to apologise for islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder, today 2014?

I can get quote 2014 years ago:
Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.
Romans 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Galatians 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.


Why the dishonesty to apologise for islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder, Karnal?

Yes, Moses. It’s the best I can do.

The Jewish religion still exists. Its adherents follow a book called Leviticus, full of some really interesting execution and torture techniques.The Quran, by comparison, is quite tedious.

These people make up 0.3% of the population. Not many, but a few hundred thousand people in Australia have never condemned the laws of the Torah.

What do you think we should do with them?

In my experience, Jews are fairly progressive, politically.

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

In my experience, Jews are fairly progressive, politically.

True, FD. A majority even condemn the actions of Israel.

Food for thought, eh?

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A majority even condemn the actions of Israel.

Can you say the same of Muslims and ISIS, or would it take too long to wade through all the complaints about ISIS being treated unfairly by a press that is plotting to smear ordinary Muslims?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:47pm: Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 4:11pm: I am against the Islamic State. I haven't seen a single post by anybody here in favour of it.  So it seems we're all on the same side!  Whats the argument about, then?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Silly HB - muslims are by default in favour of bloodthirsty murderous islamists - thats why the interrogations are necessary.

Thank you for not coming out against the Islamic state.
You are entirely for it even if you wouldn't personally engage in their macabre behaviour. But you share their political aims.
And you wouldn't denounce Muslims before a bunch of infidels. Wouldn't be kosher - sorry - halal.

An apologist for islamic terrorism, E.G. Karnal wrote:

Quote:

Yes, Moses. It’s the best I can do. The Jewish religion still exists. Its adherents follow a book called Leviticus, full of some really interesting execution and torture techniques.The Quran, by comparison, is quite tedious. These people make up 0.3% of the population. Not many, but a few hundred thousand people in Australia have never condemned the laws of the Torah. What do you think we should do with them?

If the Joos (en masse) ever start showing their undivided loyalty to Leviticus over 21st century civilization laws and sensibilities, start a campaign of terrorism, torture and mass murder against all non Joos, I would clearly opt for exposing, ridiculing and denigrating them (and their apologists) with every option available to the rest of us. 

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

Quote: A majority even condemn the actions of Israel. Can you say the same of Muslims and ISIS, or would it take too long to wade through all the complaints about ISIS being treated unfairly by a press that is plotting to smear ordinary Muslims?

Israel is the Jewish homeland.

Most Muslims (a quarter of the world) wouldn’t even know what ISIS is.

Would you like a supplimentary question, FD?

moses wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

An apologist for islamic terrorism, E.G. Karnal wrote: Quote: Yes, Moses. It’s the best I can do. The Jewish religion still exists. Its adherents follow a book called Leviticus, full of some really interesting execution and torture techniques.The Quran, by comparison, is quite tedious. These people make up 0.3% of the population. Not many, but a few hundred thousand people in Australia have never condemned the laws of the Torah. What do you think we should do with them? If the Joos (en masse) ever start showing their undivided loyalty to Leviticus over 21st century civilization laws and sensibilities, start a campaign of terrorism, torture and mass murder against all non Joos, I would clearly opt for exposing, ridiculing and denigrating them (and their apologists) with every option available to the rest of us.

Why don’t you just blame the apologists, Moses?

For a crime that’s never happened?

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Most Muslims (a quarter of the world) wouldn’t even know what ISIS is.

Fair point, but what about the ones that can read?

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Quote: Most Muslims (a quarter of the world) wouldn’t even know what ISIS is. Fair point, but what about the ones that can read?

You finish your bus blowing-up risk analysis before we discuss Musel illiteracy rates.

Chop chop.

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

Quote: A majority even condemn the actions of Israel. Can you say the same of Muslims and ISIS, or would it take too long to wade through all the complaints about ISIS being treated unfairly by a press that is plotting to smear ordinary Muslims?

You right FD, we need to see quotes of muslim leaders condemning ISIS (which are abundantly available) so we can accuse them of taqiyya.

Or perhaps you can once again regale us with your intimate knowledge of Friday sermons around the country, where ISIS are applauded, and definitely never condemned.

moses wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

An apologist for islamic terrorism, E.G. Karnal wrote: Quote: Yes, Moses. It’s the best I can do. The Jewish religion still exists. Its adherents follow a book called Leviticus, full of some really interesting execution and torture techniques.The Quran, by comparison, is quite tedious. These people make up 0.3% of the population. Not many, but a few hundred thousand people in Australia have never condemned the laws of the Torah. What do you think we should do with them? If the Joos (en masse) ever start showing their undivided loyalty to Leviticus over 21st century civilization laws and sensibilities, start a campaign of terrorism, torture and mass murder against all non Joos, I would clearly opt for exposing, ridiculing and denigrating them (and their apologists) with every option available to the rest of us.

The Joos have their own special court, the Beth Din, in Victoria. The Joos have their own state, Israel, where Australian Joos go, many signing up to fight for its army. The Joos have a secret service, Mossad, that conducts illegal operations in foreign countries - kidnappings, assasinations, terrorist bombings, mass murder. Mossad won’t even promise not to steal Australian passports to conduct its terrorism.

And the Joos have never ever condemned the laws of Leviticus. To this very day, orthadox Joos hold Leviticus up as the law Gud gave them, over and above all other laws.

Personally, I just think you should be nice to people, Moses, but if you want to hold true to your word, you’d better get to work on the Joos.

After that, you can start on the Hindus, and on and on it will go. Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is a jolly world, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:37am:

freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 8:52pm: Quote: A majority even condemn the actions of Israel. Can you say the same of Muslims and ISIS, or would it take too long to wade through all the complaints about ISIS being treated unfairly by a press that is plotting to smear ordinary Muslims? You right FD, we need to see quotes of muslim leaders condemning ISIS (which are abundantly available) so we can accuse them of taqiyya. Or perhaps you can once again regale us with your intimate knowledge of Friday sermons around the country, where ISIS are applauded, and definitely never condemned.

FD doesn’t have to tell us what he hears from those sermons, G. FD has all those questions he asked Abu and Falah in the Wiki.

They went unanswered, of course. Typical. But they give a clear indication of what’s being preached at mosques around Australia at Friday sermons.

Sex slavery, paedophilia, beheadings, stoning for adultery, stealing gold from Joos, the lot.

It’s all in the Wiki.

A spineless apologist for islamic terrorism wrote:

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The Joos have their own special court, the Beth Din, in Victoria. The Joos have their own state, Israel, where Australian Joos go, many signing up to fight for its army. The Joos have a secret service, Mossad, that conducts illegal operations in foreign countries - kidnappings, assasinations, terrorist bombings, mass murder. Mossad won’t even promise not to steal Australian passports to conduct its terrorism. And the Joos have never ever condemned the laws of Leviticus. To this very day, orthadox Joos hold Leviticus up as the law Gud gave them, over and above all other laws. Personally, I just think you should be nice to people, Moses, but if you want to hold true to your word, you’d better get to work on the Joos. After that, you can start on the Hindus, and on and on it will go. Always, absolutely, never ever. It is a jolly world, no?

Joos must be the cleverest kidnappers, terrorists, secret service, assassinators, mass murderers etc. on this globe.

No one seems to be the least bit worried about the Jooish kidnappers, terrorists, secret service, assassinators, mass murderers.

Oh yeah that's right, muslims and their spineless apologists are extremely apprehensive about Joos.

However give us a yell would you, if ever the Joos start beheading, stoning and murdering innocents, or the world classes them as terrorists, torturers and mass murderers, worthy of being placed under strict security measures.

Until then muslims are the known terrorists, torturers and mass murderers.

It still stands that any muslim or their apologist,who refuses to condemn the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as being wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century, are supporters of islamic atrocities some physically, some morally.

Datalife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

:-/ FD wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Good heavens, I would have thought FD's pertinent questions are much more than that, Data. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, you know. The price of Freeedom is FD's questions. Over 20000 posts and hardly any of them worth the bandwidth or the bother of reading.  Tedious repetitious static.

Yet you do read them.

I think they're extremely funny.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

moses wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

A spineless apologist for islamic terrorism wrote: Quote: The Joos have their own special court, the Beth Din, in Victoria. The Joos have their own state, Israel, where Australian Joos go, many signing up to fight for its army. The Joos have a secret service, Mossad, that conducts illegal operations in foreign countries - kidnappings, assasinations, terrorist bombings, mass murder. Mossad won’t even promise not to steal Australian passports to conduct its terrorism. And the Joos have never ever condemned the laws of Leviticus. To this very day, orthadox Joos hold Leviticus up as the law Gud gave them, over and above all other laws. Personally, I just think you should be nice to people, Moses, but if you want to hold true to your word, you’d better get to work on the Joos. After that, you can start on the Hindus, and on and on it will go. Always, absolutely, never ever. It is a jolly world, no? Joos must be the cleverest kidnappers, terrorists, secret service, assassinators, mass murderers etc. on this globe. No one seems to be the least bit worried about the Jooish kidnappers, terrorists, secret service, assassinators, mass murderers. Oh yeah that's right, muslims and their spineless apologists are extremely apprehensive about Joos. However give us a yell would you, if ever the Joos start beheading, stoning and murdering innocents, or the world classes them as terrorists, torturers and mass murderers, worthy of being placed under strict security measures. Until then muslims are the known terrorists, torturers and mass murderers. It still stands that any muslim or their apologist,who refuses to condemn the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as being wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century, are supporters of islamic atrocities some physically, some morally.

Thanks for the clarification, Moses. You’re now asking us to ignore all your previous arguments and just go with what "the world" judges to be worthy of being placed under strict security measures.

Which is strange, because the US, the UN, and a host of other multilateral organizations and NGOs class the Joos’ actions in Palestine to be illegal, immoral, a violation of human rights  and yes, a grave danger to global security.

Many countries, including Australia, are very concerned about the security risk posed by Mossad agents posing as tourists or even citizens. A number of Mossad agents are reported to have ASIO and ASIS files, and these spies are considered a risk in a number of countries, some having been indicted for murder and terrorism.

Israel refuses to honour these indictments, despite bilateral treaties.

Many parts of the world now have trade sanctions on Israel, including former trading partners in Latin America. The UN has voted on a number of security resolutions on Israel, declaring Israeli occupation of Palestinian areas to be illegal. The UN has even had peacekeeping missions there - actual UN soldiers policing the Joo’ homeland wiith "strict security measures".

The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US.

Would you like us to forget this argument too, Moses? Perhaps you can throw in a few slurs on spineless apologists and supporters of Islamic atrocities and no one will notice.

|dev|null wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

Datalife wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:30pm: :-/ FD wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Good heavens, I would have thought FD's pertinent questions are much more than that, Data. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, you know. The price of Freeedom is FD's questions. Over 20000 posts and hardly any of them worth the bandwidth or the bother of reading.  Tedious repetitious static.  Yet you do read them.

True, but I think Datalife is more concerned about the bandwidth.

Food for thought, eh?

FD wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US.

The Saudi King along with the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia blamed Hamas for starting a war with Israel.

When you have finished your colonic irrigation do some research on that.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 2:15pm: The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US. The Saudi King along with the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia blamed Hamas for starting a war with Israel. When you have finished your colonic irrigation do some research on that.

Thanks, Baron. How cunning of them. Taqiyya, eh?

Did they also come out to support Israel’s decimation of Gaza?

I’m curious.

|dev|null wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 1:14pm:

Datalife wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:30pm: :-/ FD wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Good heavens, I would have thought FD's pertinent questions are much more than that, Data. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, you know. The price of Freeedom is FD's questions. Over 20000 posts and hardly any of them worth the bandwidth or the bother of reading.  Tedious repetitious static.  Yet you do read them. I think they're extremely funny.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Comprehension once more an issue with you as per usual.  I said hardly worth the bother of reading, not that I didn't read them.  Hard to miss when I generally view by 25 last posted.

Datalife wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 1:14pm: Datalife wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:30pm: :-/ FD wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Good heavens, I would have thought FD's pertinent questions are much more than that, Data. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, you know. The price of Freeedom is FD's questions. Over 20000 posts and hardly any of them worth the bandwidth or the bother of reading.  Tedious repetitious static.  Yet you do read them. I think they're extremely funny.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Comprehension once more an issue with you as per usual.

Typical. I blame Islam.

FD says most of them are illiterate.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 2:15pm: The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US. The Saudi King along with the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia blamed Hamas for starting a war with Israel. When you have finished your colonic irrigation do some research on that.

Well golly gosh Baron - so did literally every country in the world.

Naturally that mean ipso facto that every country therefore defended the Israeli actions.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 2:19pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 2:15pm: The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US. The Saudi King along with the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia blamed Hamas for starting a war with Israel. When you have finished your colonic irrigation do some research on that. Well golly gosh Baron - so did literally every country in the world.

Wiki leaks showed the Saudis like Israel, the Saudis were prepared to turn off their American air defences so Israel could bomb Iran.

That was a win win for the Saudis, Israel could bomb their enemy those deviant heretic twelver shia and they could blame it all on the jews.
;)

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 2:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 2:19pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 2:15pm: The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US. The Saudi King along with the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia blamed Hamas for starting a war with Israel. When you have finished your colonic irrigation do some research on that. Well golly gosh Baron - so did literally every country in the world. Wiki leaks showed the Saudis like Israel, the Saudis were prepared to turn off their American air defences so Israel could bomb Iran. That was a win win for the Saudis, Israel could bomb their enemy those deviant heretic twelver shia and they could blame it all on the jews. ;)

Ah, the shifting sands of Mohammedan politics. The Saudis making plans for another country's air force - all brokered, no doubt, by Amerika.

Lucky Uncle stays out of this sort of thing, eh? Don't tell Moses, Baron - he'll accuse Uncle's friends of being terrorists, torturers and mass murderers, worthy of being placed under strict security measures.

A spineless apologist for islamic terrorism wrote Reply #167 - Today at 2:15pm:


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Thanks for the clarification, Moses. You’re now asking us to ignore all your previous arguments and just go with what "the world" judges to be worthy of being placed under strict security measures. Which is strange, because the US, the UN, and a host of other multilateral organizations and NGOs class the Joos’ actions in Palestine to be illegal, immoral, a violation of human rights  and yes, a grave danger to global security. Many countries, including Australia, are very concerned about the security risk posed by Mossad agents posing as tourists or even citizens. A number of Mossad agents are reported to have ASIO and ASIS files, and these spies are considered a risk in a number of countries, some having been indicted for murder and terrorism. Israel refuses to honour these indictments, despite bilateral treaties. Many parts of the world now have trade sanctions on Israel, including former trading partners in Latin America. The UN has voted on a number of security resolutions on Israel, declaring Israeli occupation of Palestinian areas to be illegal. The UN has even had peacekeeping missions there - actual UN soldiers policing the Joo’ homeland wiith "strict security measures". The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US. Would you like us to forget this argument too, Moses? Perhaps you can throw in a few slurs on spineless apologists and supporters of Islamic atrocities and no one will notice.

I support the Joos doing whatever it takes to defend themselves against islamic terrorism.

When the Joos start beheading, stoning, terrorizing, torturing and mass murdering like muslims let me know will you.

Until then muslims are the world's known terrorists, torturers and mass murderers.

I absolutely stand by my position: any muslim or their apologist,who refuses to condemn the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as being wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century, are supporters of islamic atrocities some physically, some morally.

moses wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

A spineless apologist for islamic terrorism wrote Reply #167 - Today at 2:15pm: Quote: Thanks for the clarification, Moses. You’re now asking us to ignore all your previous arguments and just go with what "the world" judges to be worthy of being placed under strict security measures. Which is strange, because the US, the UN, and a host of other multilateral organizations and NGOs class the Joos’ actions in Palestine to be illegal, immoral, a violation of human rights  and yes, a grave danger to global security. Many countries, including Australia, are very concerned about the security risk posed by Mossad agents posing as tourists or even citizens. A number of Mossad agents are reported to have ASIO and ASIS files, and these spies are considered a risk in a number of countries, some having been indicted for murder and terrorism. Israel refuses to honour these indictments, despite bilateral treaties. Many parts of the world now have trade sanctions on Israel, including former trading partners in Latin America. The UN has voted on a number of security resolutions on Israel, declaring Israeli occupation of Palestinian areas to be illegal. The UN has even had peacekeeping missions there - actual UN soldiers policing the Joo’ homeland wiith "strict security measures". The recent Israeli attacks on Gaza received condemnation from most parts of the world, some countries even using the word genocide. Not one country stood up to support Israel’s recent actions in Gaza - not even the US. Would you like us to forget this argument too, Moses? Perhaps you can throw in a few slurs on spineless apologists and supporters of Islamic atrocities and no one will notice. I support the Joos doing whatever it takes to defend themselves against islamic terrorism. When the Joos start beheading, stoning, terrorizing, torturing and mass murdering like muslims let me know will you. Until then muslims are the world's known terrorists, torturers and mass murderers. I absolutely stand by my position: any muslim or their apologist,who refuses to condemn the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah in the qur'an and  verses in the hadi'th (which inspire the islamic terrorists, torturers and mass murderers) as being wrong, evil and absolutely not relevant to the 21st century, are supporters of islamic atrocities some physically, some morally.

Good thing you’ve given up on what the rest of the world thinks, Moses. What you’ve just said contradicts the UN Charter, most national constitutions, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Live and let live, eh?

Most world leaders insist on Israel's right to respond militarily to rocket attacks.

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Most world leaders insist on Israel's right to respond militarily to rocket attacks.

Hamas should rebuild the schools, they will need somewhere to fire the rockets from.

FD wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Live and let live, eh?

You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB? 
And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives. 

Soren wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 8:48pm:

FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.

But I’m not over there, old boy. I’m here.

What should I do to hose down the carnage that happens right here?

I’m curious.

FD wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  But I’m not over there, old boy. I’m here. What should I do to hose down the carnage that happens right here? I’m curious.

Go where you are needed, PB.  We can manage without you here.  Those lost souls need to hear the Word of the UN and they will listen only to a fellow PB like you. 
Tell them 'Live and let live', you'll blow their minds.

Soren wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:57pm: Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  But I’m not over there, old boy. I’m here. What should I do to hose down the carnage that happens right here? I’m curious. Go where you are needed, PB.  We can manage without you here.  Those lost souls need to hear the Word of the UN and they will listen only to a fellow PB like you.  Tell them 'Live and let live', you'll blow their minds.

Right you are, old boy. Will do.

Should I tell them to blame Islam as well?

That could work.

Soren wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 8:48pm:

FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.

Less live and let live, more submit or die.

Just tell 'em 'live and let live'.

Wait for their answer.

Soren wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Just tell 'em 'live and let live'. Wait for their answer.

I said that once here. You threw an old boy tantie.

Not very Lutheran, eh?

I.apologize for any offence caused, dear boy.

Just tell 'em 'live and let live'.

Wait for their answer.

Datalife wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  Less live and let live, more submit or die.

Now now, the old boy already has a patent on that one.

You don't want to offend him, believe me.

Datalife wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  Less live and let live, more submit or die.

So, you believe all Muslims think that DL?   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Datalife wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:25pm: Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  Less live and let live, more submit or die. So, you believe all Muslims think that DL?   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D

Not just the Muslims, Lutherans too.

The old boy's been calling for submission and death since he was baptised as a Freudian.

FD wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 1:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:45am: Datalife wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:25pm: Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  Less live and let live, more submit or die. So, you believe all Muslims think that DL?   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D Not just the Muslims, Lutherans too. The old boy's been calling for submission and death since he was baptised as a Freudian.

Ah....    ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Datalife wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:25pm: Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  Less live and let live, more submit or die. So, you believe all Muslims think that DL?   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D

All?  Your stupidity continues to astound me.  No, I don't.

Do you think no Muslims believe that?  A question equally as stupid as yours but posed in the spirit of fairness and reciprocity.

You must qualify everything you say, otherwise you leave the apologists with no option but to deliberately misinterpret it.

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

You must qualify everything you say, otherwise you leave the apologists with no option but to deliberately misinterpret it.

I know, FD. They're so mean. Fancy chasing you around and nitpicking your posts like that, it's appalling. What next? Twisting your words and quoting you out of context? Putting words in your mouth and making things up? Starting new attack threads and interrogating you, word by word, for months?

These people will stop at nothing, FD. Their obsession knows no bounds. Why can't they just accept that sometimes a question is just a question?

Datalife wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:45am: Datalife wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 9:25pm: Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:48pm: FD wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Live and let live, eh? You should go to the islamic state and tell them,  eh,  PB?  And Hamas,  boko haram,  hezballah and all the jihadi tough guys.   They are not exactly up on the UN directives.  Less live and let live, more submit or die. So, you believe all Muslims think that DL?   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D All?  Your stupidity continues to astound me.  No, I don't. Do you think no Muslims believe that?  A question equally as stupid as yours but posed in the spirit of fairness and reciprocity.

I think some do.  I believe it is a minority.  What about you?  Do you believe it is a minority or a majority?    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

You must qualify everything you say, otherwise you leave the apologists with no option but to deliberately misinterpret it.

As against what the bigots do FD?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D