LIKE most of us Tony Abbott was in bed asleep when Flight MH17 was shot out of the sky. He was ­staying at his modest digs in the Canberra police college. By the time news of the horrific ­incident was beginning to filter through the silos of the ­Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and the Prime Minister’s own department, the PM was down in the college gym for his morning workout. 
 
He arrived at his Parliament House office early, to prepare for a carbon tax event — which, like almost every other commitment that day, was promptly cancelled.

At 6am he jumped on a phone hook-up with his senior advisers and media staff.

Some of those on that call note that Abbott reacted with a sense of calm and purpose that took any hint of panic out of the air.

“At the end of it, everyone knew what they had to do and we were allowed to go and do it,” one said.

Abbott has shown a brand of leadership that for some ­reason many commentators claim is surprising.

There is no doubt that he has led the world. Those that know him will tell you that he is no “surrender monkey”.

The fact that he put a spine into US President Barack Obama and got Russian President Vladimir Putin on the phone — twice — may seem remarkable for a minnow such as Australia.

It is a feature of Abbott’s personal ethics — he doesn’t say one thing privately and another thing publicly — that has earned him the respect of world leaders.

However, Abbott’s demonstration of strong and decisive leadership should not be cast as extraordinary or anything other than what Australians have a right to expect from their Prime Minister.

“People seem to be overly grateful for something that every elector has a right to expect,” said one insider remarking on the public response. “People seem to have forgotten that they have a right to it.”

What Abbott has exposed this week more than anything is the complete vacuum of leadership Australia had been living under in the six years of Labor government.

While it has played out publicly, in the reassuring, compassionate and decisive manner in which he has conducted himself, as with an iceberg Abbott’s depth of leadership lies mostly beneath the surface.

A source inside the National Security Committee claims Abbott has transformed the dynamics of its meetings, which have been held on a rolling basis since the attack.

This is a committee of not just key cabinet ministers but attended by the key agency chiefs including Chief of the Defence Forces, head of ASIS Nick Warner, ASIO boss David Irvine and Richard Maude — a former Rudd staffer who is head of the Office of National Assessments.

Abbott not only chairs the meeting, he leads it. He listens to all views and is respectful to the bureaucrats but he makes decisions and then lets people do their job.

The source on that committee claimed there had been a dramatic change since Rudd and Gillard, with the latter accused of often not even turning up when she was deputy PM.

“Everyone in that room has drawn a lot of strength from the PM in the past week,” said the insider. “And these are some pretty seriously smart people.”

But Abbott’s office has also come into its own over the past week. Few would remember that his Chief of Staff Peta Credlin was a former international defence policy adviser to Defence Minister Robert Hill.

Andrew Shearer, Abbott’s national security adviser, also worked under John Howard and has been the bridge to Washington throughout the current crisis.

The depth of experience in the national security team in the PM’s office — and in key portfolios — should now be evident to everybody. It is certainly privately acknowledged, however reluctantly, by some senior Labor MPs.

Just as importantly, Credlin has been key to ensuring staff and ministers not directly involved in the crisis stayed focused on their own work so the machinery of government more generally doesn’t grind to a halt.

Credlin, recalling what happened during 9/11, sent an email to all advisers on Sunday reminding them of this.

“… if you are not involved in MH17 do not be distracted by it,” she wrote.

“I know that’s hard — I was in a similar position as an adviser in 2001 after September 11 — but it is critical that the ongoing work of government is progressed.”

It would be wrong to say that the handling of this tragedy has gone like clockwork.

This crisis has certainly shown where the system works. But more importantly it has exposed where the system isn’t working and where it had been run down under the former government.

There is likely to be some significant changes coming as a result.

There is also a political lesson from all of this for Labor, which continues to underestimate Abbott.

It was in the foreign affairs and national security space that Labor believed Abbott would experience his greatest failures, suggesting he would be an embarrassment on the world stage.

Yet it is in this space that Abbott has in fact had his greatest success.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-nation-has-a-true-leader-in-tony-abbott/story-fni0cwl5-1227000591025

I would think its not the ideal time for the Tony Abbott fan club publication to try and capitalise on this event.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I would think its not the ideal time for the Tony Abbott fan club publication to try and capitalise on this event.

Its a media statement.

But what a breath of fresh air the Abbott government is.

Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D

No idea john.
Fill me in.

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in.

no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that

Quote:

Nation has a true leader in Abbott

I was trying to find the joke but I am afraid that I just don't get it. Rather sad really.

Is the Abbott media really trying to take advantage of the situation.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Quote: Nation has a true leader in Abbott I was trying to find the joke but I am afraid that I just don't get it. Rather sad really. Is the Abbott media really trying to take advantage of the situation.

You can get ear drops for your middle ear.

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:41pm: I would think its not the ideal time for the Tony Abbott fan club publication to try and capitalise on this event. Its a media statement. But what a breath of fresh air the Abbott government is.

I have a feeling that when the next election arrives a lot of people who are now bitching and whining about Abbott will want more of his quiet, no-nonsense approach to running this country's affairs.

It's precisely because he's a tough cookie of the Old Guard conservative type that he earned Indonesia's respect ~ and now Iron Man Putin's respect.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that

You seem to have a thing about homosexual sex. Disturbing...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that You seem to have a thing about homosexual sex. Disturbing...

homosexual? have you got something on your mind? I was thinking along the lines of Bishop and a strap on


But that's OK armpit, you this is 2014 ... you can come out of the closet, no one will judge you!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that You seem to have a thing about homosexual sex. Disturbing...

Perhaps we should arrange for Parkinson to interview John on national TV ... ?  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:05pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that You seem to have a thing about homosexual sex. Disturbing... Perhaps we should arrange for Parkinson to interview John on national TV ... ?  8-)

such a fascination with my life ... what the matter? even you find yours boring?

poll

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:41pm: I would think its not the ideal time for the Tony Abbott fan club publication to try and capitalise on this event. Its a media statement. But what a breath of fresh air the Abbott government is.

Its a media statement.

OH then it's ok to try to take advantage from this disaster - its ok after all.

Amazing how some naive people believe opportunism is akin to real leadership.  Like Howard, his mentor, Tone is unwilling to let a good tragedy go to waste.   ::)

The thing about Abbott is that he has difficulty covering up how much he is enjoying the disaster. With Howard it was less obvious that when he enjoyed exploiting a disaster/crisis.

Abbott is a far less skilled politician than Howard, and the Australian people will likely see him for what he is much sooner than it took them to realise what Howard stood for.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that

this comment is why I do not reply to john s.
Why bother ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that this comment is why I do not reply to john s. Why bother ?

That's what they want

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Amazing how some naive people believe opportunism is akin to real leadership.  Like Howard, his mentor, Tone is unwilling to let a good tragedy go to waste.   ::)

Sinking to new sicko levels I see Bwian, wouldn't it have been better if Hot Bweath had said this crap? :D :D :D :D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:41pm: I would think its not the ideal time for the Tony Abbott fan club publication to try and capitalise on this event. Its a media statement. But what a breath of fresh air the Abbott government is. I have a feeling that when the next election arrives a lot of people who are now bitching and whining about Abbott will want more of his quiet, no-nonsense approach to running this country's affairs. It's precisely because he's a tough cookie of the Old Guard conservative type that he earned Indonesia's respect ~ and now Iron Man Putin's respect.

Well if another 10 planes get shot down, he might have chance

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that this comment is why I do not reply to john s. Why bother ?

so don't reply then ... I'm sure I'll lose sleep over it

then again, maybe I won't. :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:47pm: Amazing how some naive people believe opportunism is akin to real leadership.  Like Howard, his mentor, Tone is unwilling to let a good tragedy go to waste.   ::) Sinking to new sicko levels I see Bwian, wouldn't it have been better if Hot Bweath had said this crap? :D :D :D :D :D

Got a problem Geoff?  I never realised Tone had you in his pocket but knowing your level of Xenophobia, it's not surprising you like the man.   ::)

Hilarious nonsense.  OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  Enough said.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Quote: Nation has a true leader in Abbott I was trying to find the joke but I am afraid that I just don't get it. Rather sad really. Is the Abbott media really trying to take advantage of the situation.

I'll say!!!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that this comment is why I do not reply to john s. Why bother ?

Yep, little Johnny's got a one track mind...

Quote:

Nation has a true untrue leader in Abbott.

Considering the amount of lies he tells.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 5:46am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Isn't Simon Benson a lifetime member of the liberal party? ;D ;D ;D No idea john. Fill me in. no thanks ... but if you get on your knees and assume the position I'm sure some lib will come along and do just that this comment is why I do not reply to john s. Why bother ? Yep, little Johnny's got a one track mind...

Quote:

Yep, little Johnny's got a one track mind

Yes but I don't think it was one of Mr Howards bigger problems.

Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well.

Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor.

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

The thing about Abbott is that he has difficulty covering up how much he is enjoying the disaster. With Howard it was less obvious that when he enjoyed exploiting a disaster/crisis. Abbott is a far less skilled politician than Howard, and the Australian people will likely see him for what he is much sooner than it took them to realise what Howard stood for.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gcA0ZuKGkI8/S0iXdwgPDLI/AAAAAAAAFdw/CYJYbsVycq4/s400/head_up_your_ass2.jpg

Grendel wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:58pm: The thing about Abbott is that he has difficulty covering up how much he is enjoying the disaster. With Howard it was less obvious that when he enjoyed exploiting a disaster/crisis. Abbott is a far less skilled politician than Howard, and the Australian people will likely see him for what he is much sooner than it took them to realise what Howard stood for. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gcA0ZuKGkI8/S0iXdwgPDLI/AAAAAAAAFdw/CYJYbsVycq4/s400/head_up_your_ass2.jpg

I dunno about you Grendel, but unlike AL, I'm yet to see Abbott laughing or smiling while talking about this tragedy. Even the ALP and Greens are 100% behind Tony on this. Only the quarter-wit leftards are criticising him and even those criticisms are pi$$ weak.

Abbott is following on a true tradition of Liberal leaders by trading in death and despair, no wonder he is despised by the majority of voters who have him and his party behind in every poll. 8-)

Abbott does like using the slogan "Operation blah blah blah" ...........Its like he's stuck in an endless loop of cheesy 1950's B grade American war movies  ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor.

Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in.

And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain.

get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid.

The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;(

But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September .

skippy. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Abbott is following on a true tradition of Liberal leaders by trading in death and despair, no wonder he is despised by the majority of voters who have him and his party behind in every poll. 8-)

Yep and longie thinks this means he has balls ;D 

Chest beating apparently means he has balls ;D

Typical of the right, they don't understand what having balls actually means.

Its time wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September .

another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September . another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge

They quote Tony verbatim, that's the embarrassing part. At least you said Repository, unlike ah hem  ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;(

you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone?

an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do.

Its time wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:48am: Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September . another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge They quote Tony verbatim, that's the embarrassing part.

actually they don't.  they quote a TINY bit of what he says and does and all out of context.  that is why youtube is an encylopedia for dimwits who cannot read.

Its time wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:48am: Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September . another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge They quote Tony verbatim, that's the embarrassing part.

No, embarrassing is Shorten being caught without a clue, or Albo ripping off Michael Douglas (very badly), or Rudd calling the Chinese "rat fvckers" or Gillard falling on her ample arse!

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:48am: Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September . another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge They quote Tony verbatim, that's the embarrassing part. actually they don't.  they quote a TINY bit of what he says and does and all out of context.  that is why youtube is an encylopedia for dimwits who cannot read.

Uh huh ;)

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;( you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone? an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do.

So now Tony is like the unarmed man who stopped a tank going to Tianeman square? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are an idiot of the highest order.  Even in THAT example you completely show how Tony's actions did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Unlike the unarmed man, who confronted his aggressors, the chest beating was done to Australian media without any threat. There was NO danger to him doing so, just political advantage.  There was no OUTCOME from it. 

Come on, keep going, this is fun as you're truly showing your nuttiness.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:48am: Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September . another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge They quote Tony verbatim, that's the embarrassing part. No, embarrassing is Shorten being caught without a clue, or Albo ripping off Michael Douglas (very badly), or Rudd calling the Chinese "rat fvckers" or Gillard falling on her ample arse!

Ahh another deflector of the international embarrassment and intellectual nobody.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:48am: Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September . another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge They quote Tony verbatim, that's the embarrassing part. No, embarrassing is Shorten being caught without a clue, or Albo ripping off Michael Douglas (very badly), or Rudd calling the Chinese "rat fvckers" or Gillard falling on her ample arse!

I liked John Howards bowling prowess the best, lines up for Yorker and ball goes about 6 inches from his feet , then rolls to a grinding halt about 3 ft from him. That my friend wins the comedic gold medal. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;( you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone? an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do. So now Tony is like the unarmed man who stopped a tank going to Tianeman square? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are an idiot of the highest order.  Even in THAT example you completely show how Tony's actions did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Unlike the unarmed man, who confronted his aggressors, the chest beating was done to Australian media without any threat. There was NO danger to him doing so, just political advantage.  There was no OUTCOME from it.  Come on, keep going, this is fun as you're truly showing your nuttiness.

other than cowardice, you really don't seem to have a international posture.

if asked what Abbott should do you either say he should do nothing - which you would criticise or he should adopt a posture that will be utterly ineffective - which you would criticise. 

there is nothing he could possibly do that would make you happy. and because he knows there are cowards and clowns like you, he ignores your opinion and does what is RIGHT, something you will never understand.

even now you cannot differentiate between true leadership and leadership you agree with. 

Its time wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:52am: Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:48am: Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: But he is an international embarrassment , hundreds of internet videos are testament to that very fact. Anybody can spin a bit of pre-prepared rhetoric from a script whilst waving their hands around, you seem easily impressed, no wonder the three word slogans had you voting LNP September . another child who thinks youtube is the repository of all wisdom and the source of all knowledge They quote Tony verbatim, that's the embarrassing part. No, embarrassing is Shorten being caught without a clue, or Albo ripping off Michael Douglas (very badly), or Rudd calling the Chinese "rat fvckers" or Gillard falling on her ample arse! I liked John Howards bowling prowess the best, lines up for Yorker and ball goes about 6 inches from his feet , then rolls to a grinding halt about 3 ft from him. That my friend wins the comedic gold medal. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

a man of 65 is not a good spin bowler and the point in regard to politics and leadership skill is....????

Keating probably never lowered himself to attend a cricket match nevermind  touch a cricket ball and yet do you deem him to not be a leader?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;( you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone? an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do. So now Tony is like the unarmed man who stopped a tank going to Tianeman square? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are an idiot of the highest order.  Even in THAT example you completely show how Tony's actions did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Unlike the unarmed man, who confronted his aggressors, the chest beating was done to Australian media without any threat. There was NO danger to him doing so, just political advantage.  There was no OUTCOME from it.  Come on, keep going, this is fun as you're truly showing your nuttiness. other than cowardice, you really don't seem to have a international posture. if asked what Abbott should do you either say he should do nothing - which you would criticise or he should adopt a posture that will be utterly ineffective - which you would criticise.  there is nothing he could possibly do that would make you happy. and because he knows there are cowards and clowns like you, he ignores your opinion and does what is RIGHT, something you will never understand. even now you cannot differentiate between true leadership and leadership you agree with.

actually idiot I have already stated that I thought Tony and Bishop's actions to the UN were great. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.  And I agreed with it.

But what YOU see as leadership, beating of the chest, OPERATION BRING THEM HOME slonganeering, that ISN'T leadership. That's designed for the dumb to go "Oh look how strong he is, how much balls he has."  Yet it doesn't eventuate in ANYTHING and has NO threatening outcome. So... How does it mean he has balls?

Do us all a favour and stop with the stupidity.

What Tangent have you gone off on this time?

Its time wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

What Tangent have you gone off on this time Longweekend? I like your name Longweekend , bought to you courtesy of the unions, perhaps there is still hope for you.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;( you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone? an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do. So now Tony is like the unarmed man who stopped a tank going to Tianeman square? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are an idiot of the highest order.  Even in THAT example you completely show how Tony's actions did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Unlike the unarmed man, who confronted his aggressors, the chest beating was done to Australian media without any threat. There was NO danger to him doing so, just political advantage.  There was no OUTCOME from it.  Come on, keep going, this is fun as you're truly showing your nuttiness. other than cowardice, you really don't seem to have a international posture. if asked what Abbott should do you either say he should do nothing - which you would criticise or he should adopt a posture that will be utterly ineffective - which you would criticise.  there is nothing he could possibly do that would make you happy. and because he knows there are cowards and clowns like you, he ignores your opinion and does what is RIGHT, something you will never understand. even now you cannot differentiate between true leadership and leadership you agree with.  actually idiot I have already stated that I thought Tony and Bishop's actions to the UN were great. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.  And I agreed with it. But what YOU see as leadership, beating of the chest, OPERATION BRING THEM HOME slonganeering, that ISN'T leadership. That's designed for the dumb to go "Oh look how strong he is, how much balls he has."  Yet it doesn't eventuate in ANYTHING and has NO threatening outcome. So... How does it mean he has balls? Do us all a favour and stop with the stupidity.

we have very different understanding of the word 'leadership'.  the UN resolution that you applaud has achieved absolutely nothing - as expected. While we still should have don't it, it was never going to achieve anything and nor did it.  the only things that have been successful are the ACTIONS such as sending military transport to get the bodies, sending troops and police to secure the site.  This why you liked Rudd.  Rudd would have done the UN thing and then thought his job was over after achieving absolutely nothing.  Abbott however, chose to do something concrete and substantial. I suspect Gillard might have been not all that different.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;( you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone? an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do. So now Tony is like the unarmed man who stopped a tank going to Tianeman square? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are an idiot of the highest order.  Even in THAT example you completely show how Tony's actions did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Unlike the unarmed man, who confronted his aggressors, the chest beating was done to Australian media without any threat. There was NO danger to him doing so, just political advantage.  There was no OUTCOME from it.  Come on, keep going, this is fun as you're truly showing your nuttiness. other than cowardice, you really don't seem to have a international posture. if asked what Abbott should do you either say he should do nothing - which you would criticise or he should adopt a posture that will be utterly ineffective - which you would criticise.  there is nothing he could possibly do that would make you happy. and because he knows there are cowards and clowns like you, he ignores your opinion and does what is RIGHT, something you will never understand. even now you cannot differentiate between true leadership and leadership you agree with.  actually idiot I have already stated that I thought Tony and Bishop's actions to the UN were great. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.  And I agreed with it. But what YOU see as leadership, beating of the chest, OPERATION BRING THEM HOME slonganeering, that ISN'T leadership. That's designed for the dumb to go "Oh look how strong he is, how much balls he has."  Yet it doesn't eventuate in ANYTHING and has NO threatening outcome. So... How does it mean he has balls? Do us all a favour and stop with the stupidity. we have very different understanding of the word 'leadership'.  the UN resolution that you applaud has achieved absolutely nothing - as expected. While we still should have don't it, it was never going to achieve anything and nor did it.  the only things that have been successful are the ACTIONS such as sending military transport to get the bodies, sending troops and police to secure the site.  This why you liked Rudd.  Rudd would have done the UN thing and then thought his job was over after achieving absolutely nothing.  Abbott however, chose to do something concrete and substantial. I suspect Gillard might have been not all that different.

You do realise that ANY leader would send military transport to get the bodies, right? Who would you expect to get the bodies, Qantas? Fme.

And you do realise that the only reason any international security team is POSSIBLE is BECAUSE of the UN RESOLUTION which gives authority for such action to be taken.  It's a war zone, without authority NO security team would be possible, and if Tony decided to send our police into an unsafe zone WITHOUT some authority then rightfully we'd be calling for his blood.
And again, ANY leader in this account would participate with providing personnel for an INTERNATIONAL SECURITY TEAM.  That part is clear.

So again... how does he have balls? Oh yeh, he tried to call Putin and tell him off. Yeh?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;( you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone? an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do. So now Tony is like the unarmed man who stopped a tank going to Tianeman square? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are an idiot of the highest order.  Even in THAT example you completely show how Tony's actions did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Unlike the unarmed man, who confronted his aggressors, the chest beating was done to Australian media without any threat. There was NO danger to him doing so, just political advantage.  There was no OUTCOME from it.  Come on, keep going, this is fun as you're truly showing your nuttiness. other than cowardice, you really don't seem to have a international posture. if asked what Abbott should do you either say he should do nothing - which you would criticise or he should adopt a posture that will be utterly ineffective - which you would criticise.  there is nothing he could possibly do that would make you happy. and because he knows there are cowards and clowns like you, he ignores your opinion and does what is RIGHT, something you will never understand. even now you cannot differentiate between true leadership and leadership you agree with.  actually idiot I have already stated that I thought Tony and Bishop's actions to the UN were great. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.  And I agreed with it. But what YOU see as leadership, beating of the chest, OPERATION BRING THEM HOME slonganeering, that ISN'T leadership. That's designed for the dumb to go "Oh look how strong he is, how much balls he has."  Yet it doesn't eventuate in ANYTHING and has NO threatening outcome. So... How does it mean he has balls? Do us all a favour and stop with the stupidity. we have very different understanding of the word 'leadership'.  the UN resolution that you applaud has achieved absolutely nothing - as expected. While we still should have don't it, it was never going to achieve anything and nor did it.  the only things that have been successful are the ACTIONS such as sending military transport to get the bodies, sending troops and police to secure the site.  This why you liked Rudd.  Rudd would have done the UN thing and then thought his job was over after achieving absolutely nothing.  Abbott however, chose to do something concrete and substantial. I suspect Gillard might have been not all that different. You do realise that ANY leader would send military transport to get the bodies, right? Who would you expect to get the bodies, Qantas? Fme. And you do realise that the only reason any international security team is POSSIBLE is BECAUSE of the UN RESOLUTION which gives authority for such action to be taken.  It's a war zone, without authority NO security team would be possible, and if Tony decided to send our police into an unsafe zone WITHOUT some authority then rightfully we'd be calling for his blood. And again, ANY leader in this account would participate with providing personnel for an INTERNATIONAL SECURITY TEAM.  That part is clear. So again... how does he have balls? Oh yeh, he tried to call Putin and tell him off. Yeh?

A) the UN resolution made no such action possible. it was little more than a call for an investigation
B) Australia is the only country sending an armed force to secure the site.  even the dutch (naturally) didn't do that

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:38am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:35am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 8:58am: Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. get over it.  you have been caught out think Abbott would be a weak leader and international embarrassment.  he has turned out the complete opposite.  accept it and move on.  you can stil be free to disagree with his actions but to say he is weak and n embarrassment is stupid. The chest beating was definitely embarrasing because it achieved absolutely zero.  UNless of course you can show us differently? No? Aw ;( you think and write as an apologist or worse, a coward. do you ever stand up for anything or anyone? an unarmed man stopped a tank going to Tianeman square.  When you can understand why he did that, you might understand why true leaders act the way they do. So now Tony is like the unarmed man who stopped a tank going to Tianeman square? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are an idiot of the highest order.  Even in THAT example you completely show how Tony's actions did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Unlike the unarmed man, who confronted his aggressors, the chest beating was done to Australian media without any threat. There was NO danger to him doing so, just political advantage.  There was no OUTCOME from it.  Come on, keep going, this is fun as you're truly showing your nuttiness. other than cowardice, you really don't seem to have a international posture. if asked what Abbott should do you either say he should do nothing - which you would criticise or he should adopt a posture that will be utterly ineffective - which you would criticise.  there is nothing he could possibly do that would make you happy. and because he knows there are cowards and clowns like you, he ignores your opinion and does what is RIGHT, something you will never understand. even now you cannot differentiate between true leadership and leadership you agree with.  actually idiot I have already stated that I thought Tony and Bishop's actions to the UN were great. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.  And I agreed with it. But what YOU see as leadership, beating of the chest, OPERATION BRING THEM HOME slonganeering, that ISN'T leadership. That's designed for the dumb to go "Oh look how strong he is, how much balls he has."  Yet it doesn't eventuate in ANYTHING and has NO threatening outcome. So... How does it mean he has balls? Do us all a favour and stop with the stupidity. we have very different understanding of the word 'leadership'.  the UN resolution that you applaud has achieved absolutely nothing - as expected. While we still should have don't it, it was never going to achieve anything and nor did it.  the only things that have been successful are the ACTIONS such as sending military transport to get the bodies, sending troops and police to secure the site.  This why you liked Rudd.  Rudd would have done the UN thing and then thought his job was over after achieving absolutely nothing.  Abbott however, chose to do something concrete and substantial. I suspect Gillard might have been not all that different. You do realise that ANY leader would send military transport to get the bodies, right? Who would you expect to get the bodies, Qantas? Fme. And you do realise that the only reason any international security team is POSSIBLE is BECAUSE of the UN RESOLUTION which gives authority for such action to be taken.  It's a war zone, without authority NO security team would be possible, and if Tony decided to send our police into an unsafe zone WITHOUT some authority then rightfully we'd be calling for his blood. And again, ANY leader in this account would participate with providing personnel for an INTERNATIONAL SECURITY TEAM.  That part is clear. So again... how does he have balls? Oh yeh, he tried to call Putin and tell him off. Yeh? A) the UN resolution made no such action possible. it was little more than a call for an investigation B) Australia is the only country sending an armed force to secure the site.  even the dutch (naturally) didn't do that

except Tony himself said the UN resolution provides the authority needed. Fme, you're a dope.  How else do you think we can get police (AFP, not armed force) with guns into a war zone? ;D  Because Tony said so? :D  Because he has balls, right?  :D :D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:25pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:50am: [quote author=alevine link=1406280909/35#35 date=1406339174][quote author=longweekend58 link=1406280909/34#34 date=1406338687][quote author=alevine link=1406280909/33#33 date=1406338541][quote author=longweekend58 link=1406280909/28#28 date=1406329115]Even Plibersek has stated how impressed she is with Abbott and Bishops leadership and she was the #1 abbott mocker.  if you can get someone like her to applaud then you know you are doing well. Australia finally has a strong leader with balls.  We haven't had one for 6 years under labor. Pilbersek said she was impressed with their action in the UN.  Something you don't believe in. And he has balls? What has he done that has balls? Please, I've asked you 3 times to explain. other than cowardice, you really don't seem to have a international posture. if asked what Abbott should do you either say he should do nothing - which you would criticise or he should adopt a posture that will be utterly ineffective - which you would criticise.  there is nothing he could possibly do that would make you happy. and because he knows there are cowards and clowns like you, he ignores your opinion and does what is RIGHT, something you will never understand. even now you cannot differentiate between true leadership and leadership you agree with.  actually idiot I have already stated that I thought Tony and Bishop's actions to the UN were great. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.  And I agreed with it. But what YOU see as leadership, beating of the chest, OPERATION BRING THEM HOME slonganeering, that ISN'T leadership. That's designed for the dumb to go "Oh look how strong he is, how much balls he has."  Yet it doesn't eventuate in ANYTHING and has NO threatening outcome. So... How does it mean he has balls? Do us all a favour and stop with the stupidity. we have very different understanding of the word 'leadership'.  the UN resolution that you applaud has achieved absolutely nothing - as expected. While we still should have don't it, it was never going to achieve anything and nor did it.  the only things that have been successful are the ACTIONS such as sending military transport to get the bodies, sending troops and police to secure the site.  This why you liked Rudd.  Rudd would have done the UN thing and then thought his job was over after achieving absolutely nothing.  Abbott however, chose to do something concrete and substantial. I suspect Gillard might have been not all that different. You do realise that ANY leader would send military transport to get the bodies, right? Who would you expect to get the bodies, Qantas? Fme. And you do realise that the only reason any international security team is POSSIBLE is BECAUSE of the UN RESOLUTION which gives authority for such action to be taken.  It's a war zone, without authority NO security team would be possible, and if Tony decided to send our police into an unsafe zone WITHOUT some authority then rightfully we'd be calling for his blood. And again, ANY leader in this account would participate with providing personnel for an INTERNATIONAL SECURITY TEAM.  That part is clear. So again... how does he have balls? Oh yeh, he tried to call Putin and tell him off. Yeh? A) the UN resolution made no such action possible. it was little more than a call for an investigation B) Australia is the only country sending an armed force to secure the site.  even the dutch (naturally) didn't do that except Tony himself said the UN resolution provides the authority needed. Fme, you're a dope.  How else do you think we can get police (AFP, not armed force) with guns into a war zone? ;D  Because Tony said so? :D  Because he has balls, right?  :D :D

the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless.

do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job.

I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies.

But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times.

THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him.

So long the LNP parade its glory in having a lying sleazy little pome runt, who so hero worships Maggie Thatcher he used Australian's money to further his worship at Cambridge University.

Then he brought her leadership in as bastion of the Australian way of life, which is now swooned over by LNP. 

Australia has no leader and the LNP are determined not to give us one.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him.

an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors.

what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago.

You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786

And I agree that Russians should've done more.

Now...how does he have balls again?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again?

so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us.

The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense.

How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking.

how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will.

Balls.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking. how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will. Balls.

;D. So you're basing this on no factual evidence what so ever?  Did the other PMs face a similar circumstance?  Nope. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking. how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will. Balls. ;D. So you're basing this on no factual evidence what so ever?  Did the other PMs face a similar circumstance?  Nope.

not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed.

I dunno.... I suspect the others all would have jumped at it had they found themselves with the same dire re-election prospects that Abbott faces and been given the golden PR opportunity that an event like the shooting down of MH17 provides.

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

I dunno.... I suspect the others all would have jumped at it had they found themselves with the same dire re-election prospects that Abbott faces and been given the golden PR opportunity that an event like the shooting down of MH17 provides.

Fair crack of the whip, Australia before Abbott had Australian PM's not a sleazy little pome runt, not one of them boasted to loving their maggot feeding of dead Australians.

Australians respect and treat all dead as if they be Australian, not so the sleazy runt nor its maggot!

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking. how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will. Balls. ;D. So you're basing this on no factual evidence what so ever?  Did the other PMs face a similar circumstance?  Nope.  not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed.

and your assumptions are based on ...? Nothing but pure speculation and own biases?  Please, spare me. You can't make a call on how past leaders would react in a similar situation. 

But look...if we are to play this game, I would say that IF the SAME sitautions as faced by Howard and Tony were faced by previous leaders Hawke, Keating and Gillard (and Rudd), then they would receive similar advise as Tony has received, and provide the same assistance to ensure the security of the site for investigation.  What they wouldn't do, however, is spend time coming up with a operational name that sounds great in the newspapers. What they wouldn't do is pretend that somehow they will control Putin. Basically, they wouldn't pander to the lowest denominator which will result in the dumbest of the dumb in our nation, namely yourself and people like Armpit, running around boasting about the said leader having balls.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed

;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D

did he really say that? surely he's not that stupid? ...


(although I have been known to be wrong on occassion )

Liberal/National has a true leader in Abbott

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:44pm: not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D did he really say that? surely he's not that stupid? ... (although I have been known to be wrong on occassion )

This whole last fortnight has really revealed to us the real longie. Once upon a time the guy was actually fun to debate with. These days he's worse than armpit.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:44pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking. how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will. Balls. ;D. So you're basing this on no factual evidence what so ever?  Did the other PMs face a similar circumstance?  Nope.  not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed. and your assumptions are based on ...? Nothing but pure speculation and own biases?  Please, spare me. You can't make a call on how past leaders would react in a similar situation.  But look...if we are to play this game, I would say that IF the SAME sitautions as faced by Howard and Tony were faced by previous leaders Hawke, Keating and Gillard (and Rudd), then they would receive similar advise as Tony has received, and provide the same assistance to ensure the security of the site for investigation.  What they wouldn't do, however, is spend time coming up with a operational name that sounds great in the newspapers. What they wouldn't do is pretend that somehow they will control Putin. Basically, they wouldn't pander to the lowest denominator which will result in the dumbest of the dumb in our nation, namely yourself and people like Armpit, running around boasting about the said leader having balls.

forget the others but how can you possibly imagine Rudd firstly taking advice from others, getting good advice in the first place and thirdly implementing it correctly. He was a complete dud.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 2:39pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:44pm: not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D did he really say that? surely he's not that stupid? ... (although I have been known to be wrong on occassion ) This whole last fortnight has really revealed to us the real longie. Once upon a time the guy was actually fun to debate with. These days he's worse than armpit.

criminal acts like MH17 tend to reveal a lot about people and their true feelings.  based on the various threads it would be fair to say that the predominant position among lefties is to not care a damn or to believe it was a USA plot. I tend to dislike the left-right distinction but in this case, most lefties either didn't care or were supporting Russia in a de facto way while most righties were the opposite (except Aussie who apparently lacks anything resembling a soul)

while continually claiming falsely that Abbott is using this for political advantage they themselves have used politics in ever way imaginable.

I think the worst thing was that despite the murders of 300 people, some of them our own citizens, most lefties did not care a jot. not a tiny bit.  Most aid agencies are run by conservative right-wingers and largely Christians.  It is easy to see why. Left-wingers don't really care too much about other people. It is a generalisation so there are some notable exceptions, but it is stlll largely true.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:44pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking. how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will. Balls. ;D. So you're basing this on no factual evidence what so ever?  Did the other PMs face a similar circumstance?  Nope.  not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed. and your assumptions are based on ...? Nothing but pure speculation and own biases?  Please, spare me. You can't make a call on how past leaders would react in a similar situation.  But look...if we are to play this game, I would say that IF the SAME sitautions as faced by Howard and Tony were faced by previous leaders Hawke, Keating and Gillard (and Rudd), then they would receive similar advise as Tony has received, and provide the same assistance to ensure the security of the site for investigation.  What they wouldn't do, however, is spend time coming up with a operational name that sounds great in the newspapers. What they wouldn't do is pretend that somehow they will control Putin. Basically, they wouldn't pander to the lowest denominator which will result in the dumbest of the dumb in our nation, namely yourself and people like Armpit, running around boasting about the said leader having balls. forget the others but how can you possibly imagine Rudd firstly taking advice from others, getting good advice in the first place and thirdly implementing it correctly. He was a complete dud.

I wouldnt put it past Rudd to also name something OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  Sounds to me like him and Tony are very similar.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:42pm:

criminal acts like MH17 tend to reveal a lot about people and their true feelings.  based on the various threads it would be fair to say that the predominant position among lefties is to not care a damn or to believe it was a USA plot. I tend to dislike the left-right distinction but in this case, most lefties either didn't care or were supporting Russia in a de facto way while most righties were the opposite (except Aussie who apparently lacks anything resembling a soul) while continually claiming falsely that Abbott is using this for political advantage they themselves have used politics in ever way imaginable. I think the worst thing was that despite the murders of 300 people, some of them our own citizens, most lefties did not care a jot. not a tiny bit.  Most aid agencies are run by conservative right-wingers and largely Christians.  It is easy to see why. Left-wingers don't really care too much about other people. It is a generalisation so there are some notable exceptions, but it is stlll largely true.

Wow what a load of rubbish, like I said, armpitesque styles.

First of all, you don't see most aid agencies running around telling people to stop being lazy, go get a job. They don't ask people they are helping to first pay a co-payment. They also don't tell people that they don't deserve the help because they haven't paid enough tax.  So not sure how you think they are of the right winger persuasion.

Secondly, one can have empathy about the MH17 disaster without going all overblown like you have, pretending that you've lost sleep over it when we all really know that you're simply excited because Tony has an opportunity to bounce in the polls and he's doing all he possibly can to ensure that happens. OPERATION BRING THEM HOME, longie. OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:30pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:44pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking. how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will. Balls. ;D. So you're basing this on no factual evidence what so ever?  Did the other PMs face a similar circumstance?  Nope.  not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed. and your assumptions are based on ...? Nothing but pure speculation and own biases?  Please, spare me. You can't make a call on how past leaders would react in a similar situation.  But look...if we are to play this game, I would say that IF the SAME sitautions as faced by Howard and Tony were faced by previous leaders Hawke, Keating and Gillard (and Rudd), then they would receive similar advise as Tony has received, and provide the same assistance to ensure the security of the site for investigation.  What they wouldn't do, however, is spend time coming up with a operational name that sounds great in the newspapers. What they wouldn't do is pretend that somehow they will control Putin. Basically, they wouldn't pander to the lowest denominator which will result in the dumbest of the dumb in our nation, namely yourself and people like Armpit, running around boasting about the said leader having balls. forget the others but how can you possibly imagine Rudd firstly taking advice from others, getting good advice in the first place and thirdly implementing it correctly. He was a complete dud. I wouldnt put it past Rudd to also name something OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  Sounds to me like him and Tony are very similar.

it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:54pm:

it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd.

Quite possibly ;D .  But just because Tony is a more sneaky politician doesn't mean that he and Rudd aren't very, very similar. One calls it Kevin Brings them home, the other OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  The end aim is the same.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:54pm: it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd. Quite possibly ;D .  But just because Tony is a more sneaky politician doesn't mean that he and Rudd aren't very, very similar. One calls it Kevin Brings them home, the other OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  The end aim is the same.

yeah how horrible that we would go and repatriate the bodies of our citizens.  See, this is the thing I cannot quite understand.  why are you and aussie and so many others AGAINST retrieving the bodies? From where I see I see only cowardice or callousness.  It seems like something any nation would (and does) do yet you criticise it.  I don't get it.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:54pm: it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd. Quite possibly ;D .  But just because Tony is a more sneaky politician doesn't mean that he and Rudd aren't very, very similar. One calls it Kevin Brings them home, the other OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  The end aim is the same. yeah how horrible that we would go and repatriate the bodies of our citizens.  See, this is the thing I cannot quite understand.  why are you and aussie and so many others AGAINST retrieving the bodies? From where I see I see only cowardice or callousness.  It seems like something any nation would (and does) do yet you criticise it.  I don't get it.

Longie, no one is against retrieving the bodies. We are against the government placing a label on retrieving the bodies, which is very much for nothing more than political purposes.  Like you said, it's exactly what Rudd would do. You would disagree with it if Rudd did it, why are you so FOR it now that Tony is doing it?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 5:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 5:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:54pm: it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd. Quite possibly ;D .  But just because Tony is a more sneaky politician doesn't mean that he and Rudd aren't very, very similar. One calls it Kevin Brings them home, the other OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  The end aim is the same. yeah how horrible that we would go and repatriate the bodies of our citizens.  See, this is the thing I cannot quite understand.  why are you and aussie and so many others AGAINST retrieving the bodies? From where I see I see only cowardice or callousness.  It seems like something any nation would (and does) do yet you criticise it.  I don't get it. Longie, no one is against retrieving the bodies. We are against the government placing a label on retrieving the bodies, which is very much for nothing more than political purposes.  Like you said, it's exactly what Rudd would do. You would disagree with it if Rudd did it, why are you so FOR it now that Tony is doing it?

Oh dear today's "Dipstick of the Day" awarded to Haveawhine for the above post...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG/320px-Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG

Grendel wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 5:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 5:06pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 5:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:54pm: it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd. Quite possibly ;D .  But just because Tony is a more sneaky politician doesn't mean that he and Rudd aren't very, very similar. One calls it Kevin Brings them home, the other OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  The end aim is the same. yeah how horrible that we would go and repatriate the bodies of our citizens.  See, this is the thing I cannot quite understand.  why are you and aussie and so many others AGAINST retrieving the bodies? From where I see I see only cowardice or callousness.  It seems like something any nation would (and does) do yet you criticise it.  I don't get it. Longie, no one is against retrieving the bodies. We are against the government placing a label on retrieving the bodies, which is very much for nothing more than political purposes.  Like you said, it's exactly what Rudd would do. You would disagree with it if Rudd did it, why are you so FOR it now that Tony is doing it? Oh dear today's "Dipstick of the Day" awarded to Haveawhine for the above post... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG/320px-Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG

well done goose.  A great contribution. ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 5:45pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 5:06pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 5:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:54pm: it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd. Quite possibly ;D .  But just because Tony is a more sneaky politician doesn't mean that he and Rudd aren't very, very similar. One calls it Kevin Brings them home, the other OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  The end aim is the same. yeah how horrible that we would go and repatriate the bodies of our citizens.  See, this is the thing I cannot quite understand.  why are you and aussie and so many others AGAINST retrieving the bodies? From where I see I see only cowardice or callousness.  It seems like something any nation would (and does) do yet you criticise it.  I don't get it. Longie, no one is against retrieving the bodies. We are against the government placing a label on retrieving the bodies, which is very much for nothing more than political purposes.  Like you said, it's exactly what Rudd would do. You would disagree with it if Rudd did it, why are you so FOR it now that Tony is doing it? Oh dear today's "Dipstick of the Day" awarded to Haveawhine for the above post... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG/320px-Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG well done goose.  A great contribution. ;D

Much better than yours...  in fact any of yours. ;D

Abbott continues to do the right thing on the world stage.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 4:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:43pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:30pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 2:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:44pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 1:03pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:40pm: the point is that you criticise everything he does no matter what, the singular exception being the UN resolution which is worthless. do you actually have an apolitical opinion?  doesn't sound like it.  Ive been happy to concede that Gillard would have done a good job. I don't criticise everything he does no matter what.  I don't criticise the UN resolution (which ISN'T WORTHLESS you nong), I don't criticise that the use of the UN resolution is now resulting in an international security force.  I don't criticise getting forensic experts to start identifying the bodies. But I do criticise the chest beating, the OPERATION BRING THEM HOME sloganeering and the constant attempts at sounding like he is in control of Putin, which we all know is utter bullcrap.  You take these non meaningful politicking actions as "he has balls."  But not really. No balls whatsoever on this account.   Unless of course you can explain how they mean he has balls, which you've failed to do now 4 times. THe UN resolution? That he had balls. Well done to him. an 'international' security force comprise 300 Australian troops and a handful of UN inspectors. what should he happening is Russian troops almost literally a days march away should have secured the site a week ago. You pull the figure out of your a$$? It's 150 Australian Federal Police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-26/australia-pressing-ukraine-for-deal-to-get-police-to-mh17-site/5625786 And I agree that Russians should've done more. Now...how does he have balls again? so the NUMBER is the issue???  talk about missing the point.  the point is that an 'international' force is incorrect. it is Australian and handful of inspectors who would be there without us. The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking. how many other PMs would do this? Rudd? Gillard? Certainly not Keating. that would be too 'messy' for him. not Hawke. He would just cry about it and then concentrate on finding a new mistress. Howard may have and Abbott will. Balls. ;D. So you're basing this on no factual evidence what so ever?  Did the other PMs face a similar circumstance?  Nope.  not the point.  I am extrapolating and making an assumption on how others would react and you haven't disagreed. and your assumptions are based on ...? Nothing but pure speculation and own biases?  Please, spare me. You can't make a call on how past leaders would react in a similar situation.  But look...if we are to play this game, I would say that IF the SAME sitautions as faced by Howard and Tony were faced by previous leaders Hawke, Keating and Gillard (and Rudd), then they would receive similar advise as Tony has received, and provide the same assistance to ensure the security of the site for investigation.  What they wouldn't do, however, is spend time coming up with a operational name that sounds great in the newspapers. What they wouldn't do is pretend that somehow they will control Putin. Basically, they wouldn't pander to the lowest denominator which will result in the dumbest of the dumb in our nation, namely yourself and people like Armpit, running around boasting about the said leader having balls. forget the others but how can you possibly imagine Rudd firstly taking advice from others, getting good advice in the first place and thirdly implementing it correctly. He was a complete dud. I wouldnt put it past Rudd to also name something OPERATION BRING THEM HOME.  Sounds to me like him and Tony are very similar. it would be called "Kevin Brings them Home"  And it would fail.  THAT sounds like Rudd.

It would also run over budget and be many years late...

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Abbott continues to do the right thing on the world stage.

Shorty and that dog sh!t Milne continue to hide.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 27^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 7:52pm: Abbott continues to do the right thing on the world stage. Shorty and that dog sh!t Milne continue to hide.

Ye Armchair but its better that way.
I certainly dont want to see or here them.

And what will happen once Abbott has squeezed every last morsel of publicity out of the Malaysian Airlines tragedy?

Well...we go back to situation normal with Hockeys 300 billion dollar budget black hole and Abbotts toxic plans to make the sick, the old and the poor pay while handing his billionaire tax dodging mates even more hardworking taxpayers money.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

The point is your constant making up of figures and lying.  The police mission is Dutch led, and has Dutch police involved.  40, last news I read (which also said 50 Australian at that time).  Stop making up lies to try and make some point that doesn't even make sense. How does he have balls?  Come on, stop side traking.

You never seen him in his red budgies showing them off.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

See, this is the thing I cannot quite understand.  why are you and aussie and so many others AGAINST retrieving the bodies?

It is you who doesn't understand, you liar.

please provide one comment from anybody objecting to retrieving the bodies? just one ...

surely that would be easy since, according to you, so many are against it?