https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gppi3VtsMU

BREAKING: Malaysian airliner crashes in E. Ukraine, over 280 people on board

Published on Jul 17, 2014
They are already blaming Russia Guys!
The Malaysia Airlines plane, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was travelling at an altitude of 33,000 feet (10,000 metres) when it was shot down, Russia's Interfax reported.

An adviser to the Ukrainian interior ministry told the news agency the Boeing 777 was brought down by a Buk ground-to-air missile.

All 280 passengers and 15 crew members who were on the plane are believed to have died, he added.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gppi3VtsMU

BREAKING: Malaysian airliner crashes in E. Ukraine, over 280 people on board

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fjpB5gw3iM

Malaysia #MH17 crash site witness: bodies, debris, passports scattered

Published on Jul 17, 2014
A Malaysian Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Malaysia has crashed in eastern Ukraine. There were 285 people and 15 crew members on board the Boeing-777 aircraft.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/malaysia-flight-17-christine-legarde-occult-message-connection-video-2994400.html

Malaysia Flight 17 – Christine Legarde Occult Message Connection! (Video)
Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

Malaysia Airlines flight #MH17, a Boeing 777 is shot down on 17/7/14 apparently after being built 17 years ago.  Perhaps this speech in the video above, this occult message was an order given to whomever by her to shoot this plane down as maybe a sacrifice or a false flag to further their goals?   If you dont understand the connection watch the video first then you will get it.  It also had 295 people on board.  2+9+5 = 16 1+6 = 7.
UPDATE: on skynews just now, reporter said flight departure was 11:14 (1+1+1+4=7) and to arrive at 06:10 (6+1=7)
First Flight: 17 July 1997
Last Flight: 17 July 2014
Age: 17 Years


http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/malaysian-airliner-shot-down-over-ukraine-295-passengers-video-2994384.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQowVLOo4aQ

I think this might be linked to the BRICS agreements. I certainly wouldn't be pointing the finger at anyone at this stage, especially considering that Ukraine fired on their own citizens not that long ago.

Watch this, the evidence is out. I wouldn't be too quick to point the finger at Mr Putin.

Who shot the Ukraine protestors?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJ-ucnyPU&feature=youtu.be

Cached Copy of Scrubbed Article Confirming US and UK Backed Chemical Weapons in Syria

For those who can’t believe our governments are complicit… (You gotta love the Way Back Machine.)

BUSTED! US, UK, BACK FALSE FLAG CHEMICAL ATTACK IN SYRIA

According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam’s Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.

It reads: ‘Phil… We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

‘We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.

‘They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.

‘Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?

‘Kind regards, David.’


http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/08/24/cached-copy-of-scrubbed-article-confirming-us-and-uk-backed-chemical-weapons-in-syria/

Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.


(Cue blurry youtube video for I am the light to believe some BS conspracy theory)

many blessings ,lucky guess !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQ_8_KUT3w

Bombshell! Proof That Malaysia Flight MH17 Was Diverted Over Ukraine War Zone!

http://www.stage2omega.com/malaysian-plane-crash-video-shows-ground-explosion-not-missile-explosion-in-air/

Malaysian Plane Crash Video Shows Ground Explosion, Not Missile Explosion In Air!

Published on Jul 17, 2014

All the video footage is showing the same thing…A huge black plume of smoke from the crash! How can that be if it was blown apart in the sky? Have you ever witnessed another plane hit with a missile at 30,000 feet? The debris dont just fall down to the exact same spot on earth eithe, From 30,000 feet!

THERE IS NO PROOF OF AN AIR EXPLOSION! PERIOD!

http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/mal…

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-air…

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fytpEF6-EQ

namaste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MrASx-RiM

BUSTED! Ukraine Caught Trying to 'Frame Russia' for Shooting Down Malaysia Flight MH17!

Published on Jul 17, 2014
I have to say, They were gonna fool a whole lot of people with this one! Thankfully, they have been caught!
The Ukraine Government supported a youtube clip that they say proves Russia had involvement and that Rebels shot down Malaysia Flight MH17. However, Due to their sloppy work, They have been caught! They have since tried to delete the file, but not before it was downloaded over 800 times! More info at links!

http://www.undergroundworldnews.com

http://rghost.net/private/56950510/78...

http://gmorder.livejournal.com/111373...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07...
Category
News & Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCxNQ7eaK8Q


Israel Invades One Of The Most Densely Populated Areas On Earth

Published on Jul 18, 2014
The death of 295, shot down on a commercial airliner over the Ukraine, is a tragedy. Although it's not clear who shot the plane down, the people pushing for war don't seem to be concerned about a similar number of civilians killed in Gaza over 9 days — BEFORE today's invasion by Israel. There are few places on earth with a higher population density than Gaza. Expect high casualties and a lack of moral outrage.

BUSTED! Ukraine Caught Trying to 'Frame Russia' for Shooting Down Malaysia Flight MH17!

Blessings Master Light

We know that Ukraine's have posed as Russians before.

We know they sniper attacked their own people.

We know that Ukraine has moved those weapons to that area before.

We know that they were going to try to get Ukrainians to do a fake video pretending to be Russian arms dealers in Syria.

The only people that benefit from shooting down a civilian plane is Ukraine, it has no benefit to Russia or the rebels. It was orchestrated as a trigger to cause trouble for Russia.

It makes perfect sense that whoever shot that plane down knew exactly what it was.

Let's wait for the answers.

Trial by media is ok for the sheeples, but thinkers need all the answers.

TEN QUESTIONS FOR THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES

1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?

2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes?

3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?

4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?

5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?

6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?

7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?

8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?

10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from a similar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.

http://rt.com/news/173976-mh17-crash-questions-ukraine/


Further to the 'rebels' video: The tape was recorded on June 16 as we now know.

The commentators point out that the discussion between “Bes” and “Geranin” may well refer to the Ukrainian Su-25 jet, which militia members downed on June 16.

There are also doubts spoken out, that that the unnamed “militia member” from the third tape segment could distinguish “Malaysia Airlines” marking on the aircraft as it was turned into rubble by the crash and fell down in small pieces scattered around a large territory.

RT has managed to contact Evgeny Kruzhin, who is a medic in the militia group accused of bringing the plane down, through his LIveJournal page. He told RT that the fighters nicknamed Major and Grek really do exist, but claimed that they remained in the town of Enakievo when the jet crashed – while the second “conversation” on the tape says that the plane was “shot down from the Chernukhino checkpoint.” Chernukhino is a settlement located some 25 kilometers from Enakievo.

“Therefore, they have no connection to either the plane’s downing, or the examination of the crash site,” Kruzhin stressed.

http://rt.com/news/173964-ukraine-malaysia-intercepted-calls/

10 questions Russia wants Ukraine to answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksqd1KQ77Ek

From the control tower in Kiev. Air Traffic Controller tweets live as the events happened. This person's Twitter page has since been taken down. I hope he is ok. Please go to other links to verify the authenticity of these tweets.

CHRONOLOGY OF @spainbuca’s TWITTER FEED

10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos

“Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian”

10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros

“warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers”

10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba

“Warning! Kiev have what they wanted”

10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev

“[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev”

10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado

“The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed”

10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente

“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”

10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT

“Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT”

10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,

“An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport”

10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro

“they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment”

10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev

“Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev”

11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora

“We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now”

11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información

“What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information”

11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo

“When possible I´ll keep writing”

11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,

The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,

11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza

“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?

“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”

12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

“7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”

12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”

13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos

“Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian”

13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .

“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”

13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden

“Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”

13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”

continued....

13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos

“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”

13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo

“Airspace closed”

13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos

“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”

15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil

“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”


http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/

https://twitter.com/R_of_R?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fslavyangrad.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F07%2F18%2Fspanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17%2F&tw_i=490063881964769280&tw_p=tweetembed

REMINDER: U.S. PLOTTED TO PROVOKE SHOOT DOWN OF AIRLINER TO CREATE PRETEXT FOR WAR

Plotting to stage downing of an airliner & start a war is insane, except when 'Murica does it!

Who in their right mind would risk provoking a war by staging the shoot down of an airliner?

If you guessed Russia, then guess again.

In 2005, a memo was leaked from a January 2003 meeting between President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair during which Bush, “considered provoking a war with Saddam Hussein’s regime by flying a United States spyplane over Iraq bearing UN colours, enticing the Iraqis to take a shot at it.”

However, this was by no means the first time that the United States considered such methods. Declassified documents from 1962′s infamous Operation Northwoods confirm that the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff planned to, “create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama, or Venezuela.”

In July 1988, the United States actually did shoot down a commercial airliner over Iranian territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 on board including 66 children. Despite Iran Air Flight 655 broadcasting a signal that identified it as a civilian craft, the crew of the USS Vincennes incorrectly identified the Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter and downed it with SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles. The U.S. offered Iran no apology for the incident.

Plotting to provoke the shoot down of an airliner & start a war is insane, except when ‘Murica does it!

Given events over the last 24 hours, it would also be remiss to forget the fact that Ukraine itself admitted to shooting down a Russian airliner in 2001, killing all 78 on board as the aircraft plunged into the Black Sea.

In light of the innumerable questions surrounding the flight path of Malaysian Airlines flight 17, which was ordered to fly lower by Ukrainian authorities and bizarrely chose to venture straight through the conflict zone that the previous ten airlines before it had avoided, history tells us that the stampede to blame Russian-backed rebels for yesterday’s tragedy may be somewhat hasty.

http://www.infowars.com/reminder-u-s-plotted-to-provoke-shoot-down-of-airliner-to-create-pretext-for-war/

Its quite obvious who the perpatrators were despite all these wacky conspiracy theories


Quote:

There are reports this morning that armed separatists have hampered the efforts of investigators from the Vienna-based Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), sent in to get to the bottom on the disaster. Reporters on the ground tweeted yesterday that the separatists fired warning shots when the OSCE mission approached the wreckage. Members were reportedly harassed by the rebels when they attempted to gain full access the crash site overnight. The organisation is negotiating with the Russian-backed separatists to create a “humanitarian corridor” through the volatile region. However, Sky News reports this morning that the investigators were given little over an hour to inspect the wreckage, and that they were unable retrieve either of the plane’s black boxes.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-black-box-sought-as-world-leaders-including-barack-obama-and-tony-abbott-condemn-prorussian-separatists/story-fnizu68q-1229694383389

ian wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Its quite obvious who the perpatrators were despite all these wacky conspiracy theories

A SA-11 is a complex bit of equipment, not many people have them and even less know how to fire one.

This stinks of Russia,i would almost put money on a few Russians being involved in this right down to the operators of this SA-11.

The Ukraine shot down a Siberian airliner over a decade ago with a SA-5.

many blessings pansie !

great work - : ) =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1qob7UnsQ

The Real Reason "Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17" Was 'Shot Down' Over Ukraine!

all eyes on point*

namaste

- : ) =

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-officials-say-pro-russian-rebels-likely-couldnt-down-plane-alone/

Another false flag episode gets BUSTED!!!!

We should instantly know that the only benefit that could come from an attack of this type would be for Ukraine and their western cohorts. There is no reason why Russia would do this, none at all, they have everything to lose from instigating terrorist attacks......Mr Putin is way too smart for that.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/nwo-attempted-assassination-of-vladimir-putin-but-got-the-wrong-plane-it-looks-that-way-video-2994596.html

Hot News Release: NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin, But Got the Wrong Plane? It Looks That Way! (Breaking News Videos)
Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:26

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/238056/images/Vladimir-Putin_4(1).jpg

New information reveals that President Vladimir Putin’s plane may have been the target of an attempted assassination! He is doing many things right and standing strong for what is moral in this world. Furthermore, he is going against the grain of the New World Order, and we all know they don’t like that!

NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin–It Certainly Looks That Way!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZVnPwr8zj8

RT News reports:

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft – 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

“The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical”, the source added.   http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/


http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/238056/images/malaysianplane.jpg


Is it possible that the Malaysian plane that went down was meant to be his? Did they try to assassinate him?  Watch the facts stated in the videos below, because it certainly appears that way!

Check out this breaking video news footage and see for yourself!

RT NEWS LINK:  http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/ (Please check out for full details)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH4pJVFixhw

BRICS....the deal....I said it before, plus the yanks are still really upset about Snowden, they have many reasons to want to assassinate Putin. He stood in their way for getting Assad by promoting peace negotiations. He's been smacking up their plans for world domination big time.

Let's not forget that JFK said he would end central banks and he was dead three months later. Remember the IMF chief (pre Lagarde) that got set up with some fake rape charge, he was going to change some rule that wouldn't have sat well with America and their cohorts. Don't mess with the petro dollar.

This is the strangest video you will ever see. Hilary Clinton explains why the passenger plane had to be shot down.

This is the motive explained by Clinton, the day BEFORE the incident happened.

Hillary Clinton went on the Charlie Rose show the other night and carefully explained the motivation behind the false flag operation known as Flight Mh17. She laid it out very clearly: European nations weren’t joining Obama’s sanctions against Russia so Russia decided to blow-up a plane flying over Europe.

Simple, right?

In the weeks prior to the supposed downing of Flight MH17 several European nations decided against joining Obama’s new sanctions against Russia for allegedly invading Crimea and destabilizing eastern Ukraine so Obama, President Peace Prize, was going it alone. The reason they gave, repeated by Killary herself: they didn’t buy it.

The vast majority of Europeans understand that Crimea held a referendum and decided to politely bow out of the fascist neo-Nazi run Ukraine. Russia didn’t invade though you wouldn’t know that watching Fox News or listening to Killary. But they know it.

They also understand that Gazprom is the leading supplier of energy to Europe and without them, they would be at the mercy of the same globalist for-profit entities that Killary and Obama and Bush before them work for. So, they rejected Obama’s call for humanitarian sanctions against Russia on the grounds that they didn’t BELIEVE the bullshit.

Now, you have to understand, this about far more than simply some oil and LNG contracts in Europe. It’s about more than simply the Caspian Sea Basin and all those glorious profits waiting to be had. It’s about more than simply making Pipelandistan a profitable venture after it’s launch on Sept. 11th, 2001.

What’s at stake is the stability of Russia and by extention, Putin himself and ultimately… BRICS.

Yes, these sanctions will so cripple Gazprom if enacted across Europe that Russia will undergo a sort of economic warfare the likes of which they haven’t seen for decades. That will “make the economy” of Russia “scream” to borrow a line from an old globalist.

It’s economic warfare designed to undermine not only Putin’s place in Russia, but also Russia’s ability to lead the alternative to the IMF and World Bank… BRICS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkTRJgDkNFg

Pansi, you forgot to say 'namaste'...

Evidence to Frame Russia For MH17 Shoot Down Fabricated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMgIpC-bCfQ

Ukrainian Army with Surface to Air missiles near Donetsk on July 5th (see 0:50)

‘Here is a video from a few days ago showing UKR Army in the region in possession of SAM BUK.
They have been going crazy suggesting that Russian planes have crossed the border in the recent days and were working hard to shoot it down – a fact. ‘

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2eGNPJlkMo

John McCain Says Ukraine Does Not Have Buk Missile Systems (See above post) and Unveils True Motive For Shooting MH-17 To Escalate War With Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V53xoum3AM

Kiev are saying there is no Carlos and there never was.

This is Carlos who was at the Kiev Air Traffic Control tower when the plane was shot down. Carlos got the word out that Ukraine jets were following a passenger plane at the time of the explosion. There are many eyewitnesses fro surrounding village that also attest to this.

Carlos is a hero. I hope he is safe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFCqQvBzf4

Express what one thinks about the crisis in Ukraine can even lead to an alien to be forced to flee for their lives Kiev. It is the case of a Spanish air traffic controller who was threatened by supporters of the Maidan.

Carlos, who spoke with RT on the condition of anonymity, has received threats despite not defending any interest. "I have my opinion and my view of a normal person, with a separate work [unrelated] or media, or any political party, nor to any association. "


http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/127516-amenazar-controlador-espanol-ucrania-crisis

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!


perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

In both Politics & War, whether intent is declared or not, Truth is the first casualty! Once that is established, "no individual side", can be presumed innocent!

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

I re-post the following here, as it is relevant! perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:10pm: In both Politics & War, whether intent is declared or not, Truth is the first casualty! Once that is established, "no individual side", can be presumed innocent!

Precisely perce, that's why I give the other side of the story so that the spectators can make up their own mind with the information they have, whether it be true or false.

However, I believe that the perpetrator will never face justice, just like 9/11.

http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/07/illuminati-takes-down-malaysian-airline-mh17-to-hide-the-cure-for-aids-getting-rid-of-the-cure-to-keep-money-in-their-pockets-and-continue-their-depopulation-agenda-2446354.html

Global Elite Take Down Malaysian Airline MH17 to Hide the Cure For Aids? Getting Rid of the Cure to Keep Money in Their Pockets and Continue their Depopulation Agenda…
Saturday, July 19, 2014 21:47

http://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/thediplomat_2014-07-18_12-51-34-386x257.jpg

It is known that the top 100 AIDS research scientists — including Jope Lange the former president of the International AIDS Society – were on board Malaysian Airliner MH17 and headed for an AIDS conference in Sydney, Australia.

It is also known that pharmaceutical industries, many of whom are run by the government, do not want a cure for diseases to be found because of the profits they make off of medicines.

Furthermore, many are aware of the global elite’s agenda to depopulate the earth by hundreds of thousands. After all we have heard it from many globalists themselves including: George Soros, Bill Gates, Clinton, Rothschild, and more.

If we take all of these ‘clues’ into consideration would it be safe to assume that the scientist on board MH17 were about to present breakthrough research which could have resulted in the AIDS cure? Could these men have been ‘taken out’ by the global elitists in order to protect their highly-profitable AIDS industry, which generates billions of dollars for government run pharmaceutical companies? These questions and more are addressed in the video below….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM14Qi9OkRU

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/03/rothschild-takes-down-malaysian-airliner-mh370-to-gain-rights-to-a-semiconductor-patent-getting-rid-of-those-who-stood-in-his-way-2607888.html?utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FsdKj&utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_campaign=&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FsdKj

http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/06/proof-theres-a-cure-for-aids-who-the-inventor-is-why-he-is-remaining-silent-and-his-mind-boggling-background-trust-me-you-want-to-hear-this-2446068.html?utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_campaign=&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fbb5m&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fbb5m

Politicians, none more so than our own Mr Abbott are using this tragedy as a popularity launch.....disgraceful!



‘UK media show weakness for sensationalism & propaganda in wake of MH17 tragedy’

There are no words in the English lexicon which can properly summarize the horrors of events yesterday in Eastern Ukraine. Like all right-thinking people around the world I am aghast and I currently have a nauseating tightness in my stomach as I pen this.

Since Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur came down in fragments on the blood-soaked soil of Ukraine, media, both old and new, has been caught in a torrent of claim and counter-claim on an unprecedented scale. Retired journalists with decades of experience say they have never seen anything quite like the propaganda and misinformation which has spewed in the last 24 hours.

Let's stick to the facts. The most pertinent one is that 298 people should have landed in Kuala Lumpur by now but instead they are dead and their bodies are scattered around Ukraine's war spoiled soil. We do not know why the accident happened and we won't know until an investigation is carried out – unless somebody admits shooting it down in the interim and their claims can be verified.

Until either of those scenarios comes to pass, anybody offering a view on what occurred is voicing an opinion, not a fact. I have my own theory and anybody with a passing interest in the Ukrainian conflict or aviation will have theirs and that's exactly what they are – opinions, not facts.

Russian media was full of reports of differing scenarios yesterday and Western correspondents decried many of them as propaganda. Journalists from the UK and the USA (and other NATO-aligned countries) regularly accuse the Russian press of being a propaganda tool for the Kremlin and they mean more or less all outlets of expression when they say that.

In this world they have concocted, their own nations' reportage is balanced, fair and honest and what comes from Moscow is Goebbels-like 'disinformation.' It is true that Russian media often gets things wrong and when they do they should be subject to rigorous examination. However, it's also the case that Western news-outlets frequently get things spectacularly askew and the early indications are that many have done so in the immediate aftermath of the MH17 disaster.

http://rt.com/op-edge/173780-uk-media-sensationalism-propaganda/

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 6:33am:

http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/07/illuminati-takes-down-malaysian-airline-mh17-to-hide-the-cure-for-aids-getting-rid-of-the-cure-to-keep-money-in-their-pockets-and-continue-their-depopulation-agenda-2446354.html Global Elite Take Down Malaysian Airline MH17 to Hide the Cure For Aids? Getting Rid of the Cure to Keep Money in Their Pockets and Continue their Depopulation Agenda… Saturday, July 19, 2014 21:47 http://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/thediplomat_2014-07-18_12-51-34-386x257.jpg It is known that the top 100 AIDS research scientists — including Jope Lange the former president of the International AIDS Society – were on board Malaysian Airliner MH17 and headed for an AIDS conference in Sydney, Australia. It is also known that pharmaceutical industries, many of whom are run by the government, do not want a cure for diseases to be found because of the profits they make off of medicines. Furthermore, many are aware of the global elite’s agenda to depopulate the earth by hundreds of thousands. After all we have heard it from many globalists themselves including: George Soros, Bill Gates, Clinton, Rothschild, and more. If we take all of these ‘clues’ into consideration would it be safe to assume that the scientist on board MH17 were about to present breakthrough research which could have resulted in the AIDS cure? Could these men have been ‘taken out’ by the global elitists in order to protect their highly-profitable AIDS industry, which generates billions of dollars for government run pharmaceutical companies? These questions and more are addressed in the video below…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM14Qi9OkRU http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/03/rothschild-takes-down-malaysian-airliner-mh370-to-gain-rights-to-a-semiconductor-patent-getting-rid-of-those-who-stood-in-his-way-2607888.html?utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FsdKj&utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_campaign=&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FsdKj http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/06/proof-theres-a-cure-for-aids-who-the-inventor-is-why-he-is-remaining-silent-and-his-mind-boggling-background-trust-me-you-want-to-hear-this-2446068.html?utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_campaign=&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fbb5m&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fbb5m

Come on master Light,
that's the most way out theory I've heard so far.

Will Russia shoot down West’s lies?

They don't call it the "gutter press" for nothing. But Western so-called news media sunk to new toxic depths over the weekend in their coverage of the Malaysian airliner downed over Ukraine - and the death of all 298 people on board.

It was a veritable media-orgy of lies, propaganda and vilification spewed out by American and European corporate news outlets. Whether online, television, or newspaper, the media went into overdrive to lay the blame for the disaster on Russia or "Russian-backed rebels" in Ukraine.

Of course, informed people around the world know that the Western mainstream media operate as a propaganda machine for powerful elite interests. But what is astounding is just how brazen the brainwashing purpose has become.

Without sparing a respectful pause for the crash victims and their families, the Western media stampeded to make cheap political points - dutifully obeying their masters.

Trashy tabloids joined with so-called "quality" outlets to form a virtual lynch mob to hang Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Britain's Daily Mail ran this front page headline on Saturday: 'Putin killed my son' - quoting the family of one of the dead British passengers. The Daily Express screamed: 'Putin's rebels blew up plane'. The Sun plumbed the sewer with this one: 'Putin's looters rob Brit victim.'

The supposed high-brow press were braying for Putin's blood too, albeit in a more refined, that is, deceitful way. The Independent: 'The fingers point at Putin'; The Guardian: 'Ukraine claims 'compelling evidence' of Russian involvement.'

One telling aspect is that the herd-like rush to blame Russia and President Putin for the disaster is based on scant factual evidence, but lots of lurid innuendo and hearsay peddled by the Western-backed stooge regime in Kiev. It really is a measure of how degenerate the Western journalism has become.

Moreover, the agenda-former for the whole Western media is clearly Washington and its anonymous "US intelligence officials." The "get Russia" campaign got underway on Friday when US President Barack Obama sent his ambassador over to the United Nations to begin the stitch-up.

Incredibly, the most discredited institution in the world, the US government, is allowed to repeat its criminality - thanks to a corrupt and discredited propaganda system masquerading as news media.

For the record, the US government has no evidence to support its allegations against Russia that it somehow had a hand in the downing of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine - either directly or indirectly by supplying self-defence militia fighting in the east of the country against the Western-backed Kiev regime.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/20/372063/will-russia-shoot-down-wests-lies/

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:24am:

Of course, informed people around the world know that the Western mainstream media operate as a propaganda machine for powerful elite interests. Western media stampeded to make cheap political points - dutifully obeying their masters Incredibly, the most discredited institution in the world, the US government, is allowed to repeat its criminality - thanks to a corrupt and discredited propaganda system masquerading as news media. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/20/372063/will-russia-shoot-down-wests-lies/

Presstv is Iranian state propaganda, oh the hypocrisy... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote:

Presstv is a 24hr english news organization of the Islamic republic of Iran broadcasting,IRIB is state owned and its head appointed directly by the Supreme leader,Ayatollah Ali Khameni,presstv headquarters are located in Tehran Iran. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_TV

Press TV is a state run propaganda machine with its head appointed by the supreme leader,hardly independent! :D

Rt.com which you also think is a credible source is not allowed to criticise Putin, more state run propaganda!

Bobby. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:01am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 6:33am: http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/07/illuminati-takes-down-malaysian-airline-mh17-to-hide-the-cure-for-aids-getting-rid-of-the-cure-to-keep-money-in-their-pockets-and-continue-their-depopulation-agenda-2446354.html Global Elite Take Down Malaysian Airline MH17 to Hide the Cure For Aids? Getting Rid of the Cure to Keep Money in Their Pockets and Continue their Depopulation Agenda… Saturday, July 19, 2014 21:47 http://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/thediplomat_2014-07-18_12-51-34-386x257.jpg It is known that the top 100 AIDS research scientists — including Jope Lange the former president of the International AIDS Society – were on board Malaysian Airliner MH17 and headed for an AIDS conference in Sydney, Australia. It is also known that pharmaceutical industries, many of whom are run by the government, do not want a cure for diseases to be found because of the profits they make off of medicines. Furthermore, many are aware of the global elite’s agenda to depopulate the earth by hundreds of thousands. After all we have heard it from many globalists themselves including: George Soros, Bill Gates, Clinton, Rothschild, and more. If we take all of these ‘clues’ into consideration would it be safe to assume that the scientist on board MH17 were about to present breakthrough research which could have resulted in the AIDS cure? Could these men have been ‘taken out’ by the global elitists in order to protect their highly-profitable AIDS industry, which generates billions of dollars for government run pharmaceutical companies? These questions and more are addressed in the video below…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM14Qi9OkRU http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/03/rothschild-takes-down-malaysian-airliner-mh370-to-gain-rights-to-a-semiconductor-patent-getting-rid-of-those-who-stood-in-his-way-2607888.html?utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FsdKj&utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_campaign=&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FsdKj http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2014/06/proof-theres-a-cure-for-aids-who-the-inventor-is-why-he-is-remaining-silent-and-his-mind-boggling-background-trust-me-you-want-to-hear-this-2446068.html?utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_campaign=&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fbb5m&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fbb5m Come on master Light, that's the most way out theory I've heard so far.

Quote:

It is known that the top 100 AIDS research scientists — including Jope Lange the former president of the International AIDS Society – were on board Malaysian Airliner MH17 and headed for an AIDS conference in Sydney, Australia.

many blessings

you seem to think I am trying to convince

you of some/anything ...

these are reports coming in about this flight.

this information is ontopic .

it is up to the individual to decide ..

can you disprove over 100 aids researchers

onboard flight MH17 ??

your confusion is again identified

and forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xHLnBSAnUY


Was Malaysian Airliner Brought Down By A Missile To Start A War With Russia? - Episode 418


Published on Jul 17, 2014
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Report date: 7.17.2014

Microsoft has tripled the number of employees they are laying off. Meanwhile US corporate news is reporting initial claims are continually falling. Housing starts, mortgage apps, refinancing apps all tumbling. Bankers are continually pushing a strong, recovering economy where the dollar is strong to distract everyone from the collapse. The EU just like the US is now preparing for civil unrest and are beefing up the military police to keep control. John Kerry is interfering with Afghanistan elections to get a President that will sign the bilateral security agreement to keep troops in Afghanistan. Ukraine is now implicated in shooting down a Malaysian airliner. The missile might have been meant to assassinate President Putin. Inspire al-Qaeda magazine is warning of a terrorist attack in August. Be prepared for a false flag.

Was MH17 Sabotaged By An Israeli
Security Team At Amsterdam
Schiphol Airport?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
Exclusive to Rense
7-20-14

As the only non-European journalist to cover The Hague inquiry into the Amsterdam crash of El Al flight 1862 (October 1992), which destroyed a Biljmeer district apartment complex, I discovered many aspects of the Israeli security set-up at Schipol International Airport and the role of the Mossad intelligence agency in secret operations there, one of Europe’s business transport hubs. This same airport spy network is very likely involved in the recent crash of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 over the Ukraine.

Covering the Biljmeer crash for Japan Playboy, I uncovered the sordid facts of how the official investigation back then was undone by a large network of Israeli intelligence agents who paid hush money to victims’ families, pressured injured firefighters from filing lawsuits over radiation exposure, and suppressed data from the hangar where the wreckage was stored. The crippled El Al cargo jet, leased from UPS, had transported from JFK Airport in New York a secret load of weapons including plutonium, depleted uranium and a bioweapon called mycoplasm in its cargo bay before crashing on an attempt to return to Schipol Airport, in an operation directed by the Israeli intelligence service instead of Dutch flight officials.

Once again, this time in the destruction of MH17, there is an Israeli-connected air crash with political ramifications involving Israeli strategic interests, inside Israel exactly when its military launches an invasion of Gaza and in troubled Ukraine, a supplier of military electronics to the IDF.

Security at Schipol Airport is operated by ICTS, an Israeli-owned airport security company based in The Netherlands founded by former officers of the Shin Beit intelligence agency. Its subsidiaries are also involved in key security functions there, including ProCheck, Ramasso and I-SEC.

The Israeli security company has a record of staging false flag operations, including the September 11, 2001 attacks. ICaTS subsidiary Huntleigh provided passenger and baggage inspection services at Boston Logan Airport, where two of the four jetliners used in the 911 attack originated.

At Schipol Airport on Christmas 2009, ICTS allowed the “Underwear Bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallah armed with explosives to slip past “sniffer” detectors to board a Detroit-bound Northwest flight, an incident that was a boon to Homeland Security and the global war on terrorism.

Initial information, even before the start of an official inquiry into MH17, raise serious questions of whether Israeli intelligence tampered with the flight controls and radar identification (transponder) system of the Malaysian-operated Boeing-777.

- MH17 deviated from the civilian flight path, which should cross close to the exit mouth of the Azov Sea, away from the current battle zone between the Ukraine military and militant ethnic Russian irregulars. Instead its navigation steered the jetliner on a more northerly course in contested airspace, where Ukraine military aircraft conduct both air strikes and troop transport missions, putting the Malaysian Airlines jet into jeopardy.

- The wide-body Boeing-777 jumbo jet is similar in profile to the Antonov (built by Kharkov Aircraft Industries in Ukraine) and Ilyushin (Russian-built) transport craft in service with the Ukraine military and air cargo fleets. At higher altitudes (MH17 was flying at 35,000 feet), the only way from ground level to identify a plane is by a coded radar response from its transponder signal. One possibility was that MH17 was programmed with a false responder code; while another problem could have been confusion with the transponder  beam from a nearby Ukraine military craft. A more sinister scenario is the sending of a false ID signal from a ground-based vehicle.

In short, Israeli operatives could have loaded a bomb onto MH17 or used a false responder signal to lure a rebel missile battery to intercept a suspected incoming troop landing. Another issue for investigation, if these scenarios are verified, is the unspoken connection between the Boeing Corporation and the Israeli intelligence services. Boeing would have key data on tampering of any of its aircraft control systems, and both MH17 and MH370 were Boeing-777s.

Israeli intelligence had three possible motives for orchestrating a false flag incident blamed on ethnic Russians or on the Kremlin.

- first, the MH17 crash diverted international media attention from the launch of the Israeli invasion of Gaza, which is a serious rupture of existing peace accords and a massive assault on human rights. Malaysia is an outspoken voice in the UN and the world media on Palestinian rights in Gaza.

- second, Israel, even with the Zionist economic interests in Russia such as BP, has a historical interest in the 45 000-member strong Jewish community in the port of Odessa, which has a large stake in the financial sector, military electronics industry, missile production and weapons factories. PBN and GQR, lobbying organizations controlled by American Jewish neoconservatives, are the most influential force in Ukraine politics.

http://www.rense.com/general96/MH17.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1

Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17
Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.

The Russian defense ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/07/Russian%20defense%20ministry%20screen%20grab_0.jpg

Here is the full clip of the Russian ministry releasing its own forensic analysis of what happened to flight MH17 (with English translation).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpeo5RcQQo

Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles systems the day of the MH17 crash:

RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF HAS SPACE IMAGES OF SECTORS OF UKRAINIAN FORCES' POSITIONS IN SOUTHEASTERN UKRAINE, INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY - interfax
The day the Malaysian airliner crashed, the Ukrainian forces deployed an air defense group of three or four Buk-M1 missile batteries near Donetsk, Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operations Department, told reporters on Monday.

"These surface-to-air systems are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers at an altitude of 22 kilometers. For what purpose and against whom were these missile systems deployed? As is known, the militia has no aviation," he said.
Russia has the flight paths of the Ukrainian fighters and MH17. Furthermore, it is asking the same question we asked last Thurday:

RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK
And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/07/Russia%20press%20conference%20screengrab_0.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/07/Su%2025%20vs%20MH%2017.png

As RT reports,

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.
And asks for US proof of their accusations:

RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible  - so why hasn't the US explained this or shown it?
RUSSIA ASKS U.S. FOR EVIDENCE ROCKET FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
RUSSIA: NO U.S. PROOF THAT MISSILE FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA DID NOT DELIVER ANY SA-11 BUK MISSILE SYSTEMS TO SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE "OR ANY OTHER WEAPONS"
And went on to rebuke all the Twitter photos created by Maidan to 'prove' the BUKs were moving in Russian hands.

Additionally, as Russia noted using what appears to be legitimate photographic evidence (something the west has so far failed to provide in any capacity) MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.

Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1

[quote author=it_is_the_light link=1405623826/36#36 date=1405915798]Was MH17 Sabotaged By An Israeli
Security Team At Amsterdam
Schiphol Airport?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
Exclusive to Rense
7-20-14

As the only non-European journalist to cover The Hague inquiry into the Amsterdam crash of El Al flight 1862 (October 1992), which destroyed a Biljmeer district apartment complex, I discovered many aspects of the Israeli security set-up at Schipol International Airport and the role of the Mossad intelligence agency in secret operations there, one of Europe’s business transport hubs. This same airport spy network is very likely involved in the recent crash of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 over the Ukraine.

Covering the Biljmeer crash for Japan Playboy, I uncovered the sordid facts of how the official investigation back then was undone by a large network of Israeli intelligence agents who paid hush money to victims’ families, pressured injured firefighters from filing lawsuits over radiation exposure, and suppressed data from the hangar where the wreckage was stored. The crippled El Al cargo jet, leased from UPS, had transported from JFK Airport in New York a secret load of weapons including plutonium, depleted uranium and a bioweapon called mycoplasm in its cargo bay before crashing on an attempt to return to Schipol Airport, in an operation directed by the Israeli intelligence service instead of Dutch flight officials.

Once again, this time in the destruction of MH17, there is an Israeli-connected air crash with political ramifications involving Israeli strategic interests, inside Israel exactly when its military launches an invasion of Gaza and in troubled Ukraine, a supplier of military electronics to the IDF.

Security at Schipol Airport is operated by ICTS, an Israeli-owned airport security company based in The Netherlands founded by former officers of the Shin Beit intelligence agency. Its subsidiaries are also involved in key security functions there, including ProCheck, Ramasso and I-SEC.

The Israeli security company has a record of staging false flag operations, including the September 11, 2001 attacks. ICaTS subsidiary Huntleigh provided passenger and baggage inspection services at Boston Logan Airport, where two of the four jetliners used in the 911 attack originated.

At Schipol Airport on Christmas 2009, ICTS allowed the “Underwear Bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallah armed with explosives to slip past “sniffer” detectors to board a Detroit-bound Northwest flight, an incident that was a boon to Homeland Security and the global war on terrorism.

Initial information, even before the start of an official inquiry into MH17, raise serious questions of whether Israeli intelligence tampered with the flight controls and radar identification (transponder) system of the Malaysian-operated Boeing-777.

- MH17 deviated from the civilian flight path, which should cross close to the exit mouth of the Azov Sea, away from the current battle zone between the Ukraine military and militant ethnic Russian irregulars. Instead its navigation steered the jetliner on a more northerly course in contested airspace, where Ukraine military aircraft conduct both air strikes and troop transport missions, putting the Malaysian Airlines jet into jeopardy.

- The wide-body Boeing-777 jumbo jet is similar in profile to the Antonov (built by Kharkov Aircraft Industries in Ukraine) and Ilyushin (Russian-built) transport craft in service with the Ukraine military and air cargo fleets. At higher altitudes (MH17 was flying at 35,000 feet), the only way from ground level to identify a plane is by a coded radar response from its transponder signal. One possibility was that MH17 was programmed with a false responder code; while another problem could have been confusion with the transponder  beam from a nearby Ukraine military craft. A more sinister scenario is the sending of a false ID signal from a ground-based vehicle.

In short, Israeli operatives could have loaded a bomb onto MH17 or used a false responder signal to lure a rebel missile battery to intercept a suspected incoming troop landing. Another issue for investigation, if these scenarios are verified, is the unspoken connection between the Boeing Corporation and the Israeli intelligence services. Boeing would have key data on tampering of any of its aircraft control systems, and both MH17 and MH370 were Boeing-777s.

Israeli intelligence had three possible motives for orchestrating a false flag incident blamed on ethnic Russians or on the Kremlin.

- first, the MH17 crash diverted international media attention from the launch of the Israeli invasion of Gaza, which is a serious rupture of existing peace accords and a massive assault on human rights. Malaysia is an outspoken voice in the UN and the world media on Palestinian rights in Gaza.

- second, Israel, even with the Zionist economic interests in Russia such as BP, has a historical interest in the 45 000-member strong Jewish community in the port of Odessa, which has a large stake in the financial sector, military electronics industry, missile production and weapons factories. PBN and GQR, lobbying organizations controlled by American Jewish neoconserva

There are Israeli fingerprints everywhere.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 6:53am:

There are Israeli fingerprints everywhere.

Do you see that Bobby? Apart from the attack on Gaza at the same time, I can't see much else and Israel has never worried about what the world thinks of their attacks on Palestine before.....maybe? A long bow.

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.


Carlos the air traffic controller reported this at the time it was happening. Why has Ukraine not answered the question. We know for a fact there is a Carlos because he had a Facebook page prior to the incident. Why would a Spanish citizen make up something like that at the real risk of losing his life over it?

There's still those ten questions that Russia want answered. Who's putting pressure on Ukraine to explain themselves?

Quote:

Do you see that Bobby? Apart from the attack on Gaza at the same time, I can't see much else and Israel has never worried about what the world thinks of their attacks on Palestine before.....maybe? A long bow.

Maybe a long bow.

It could be as simple as a drunken Russian separatist pushing the button on the missile launcher.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 7:21am:

Quote: Do you see that Bobby? Apart from the attack on Gaza at the same time, I can't see much else and Israel has never worried about what the world thinks of their attacks on Palestine before.....maybe? A long bow. Maybe a long bow. It could be as simple as a drunken Russian separatist pushing the button on the missile launcher.

I have thought that myself, but would those drug addicted, drunken Russians have the expertise to do that? I've read where it takes many years of training because it's complicated equipment....I have no idea about weaponry, just what I've read from those in the know. Also there was an early report from the Ukraine authorities saying they were absolutely certain that the separatists did not have possession of those BUK missiles.

The thing that's making it difficult is the fact that America was so intent on stitching Putin up, especially after the BRICS banking agreement. They needed a good reason to get into Ukraine and set up full scale military operations.

Will we ever get to the bottom of this?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 7:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 7:21am: Quote: Do you see that Bobby? Apart from the attack on Gaza at the same time, I can't see much else and Israel has never worried about what the world thinks of their attacks on Palestine before.....maybe? A long bow. Maybe a long bow. It could be as simple as a drunken Russian separatist pushing the button on the missile launcher. I have thought that myself, but would those drug addicted, drunken Russians have the expertise to do that? I've read where it takes many years of training because it's complicated equipment....I have no idea about weaponry, just what I've read from those in the know. Also there was an early report from the Ukraine authorities saying they were absolutely certain that the separatists did not have possession of those BUK missiles. The thing that's making it difficult is the fact that America was so intent on stitching Putin up, especially after the BRICS banking agreement. They needed a good reason to get into Ukraine and set up full scale military operations. Will we ever get to the bottom of this?

What about a highly trained drunken rebel?

The Russians & Ukrainians drink vodka like water -

journalists have reported the smell of alcohol on the armed guards at road checkpoints.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 8:00am:

The Russians & Ukrainians drink vodka like water - journalists have reported the smell of alcohol on the armed guards at road checkpoints.

They do Bobby, they're getting quite a reputation in Thailand, for all the wrong reasons, taking over certain areas, drunk and crazy. Russians scare me sometimes.

One day after the first Malaysian crash I was flying when we hit turbulence - people started screaming as if the plane were going to crash.  I just laffed knowing a bit of rough wind can't bring a plane down ... on Saturday I was flying again and was expecting a repeat of the screaming but the passengers were surprisingly calm ...

Americans calling for Putin's head is proof the entire country has only short-term memory:  they have all forgotten about the massacre of Iran Air Flight 655. 

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

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The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

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“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

‘Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area’
In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.
Another image shows a radar station near Donets.

More here:
http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 8:00am:

The Russians & Ukrainians drink vodka like water - journalists have reported the smell of alcohol on the armed guards at road checkpoints.

Yet, alcohol is odourless    :-/

AiA wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 8:24am:

Americans calling for Putin's head is proof the entire country has only short-term memory:  they have all forgotten about the massacre of Iran Air Flight 655.

Quote:

In 1996 the USA and Iran reached an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes,differences,claims,counterclaims relating to the incident at the International court of justice. As part of the settlement the USA did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay US$61.8 million,amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger,in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Lets see how Putin handles this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Oj8VHppSNc


Pilots, Air Traffic Controllers and Military Sound Off On MH17


Published on Jul 21, 2014
http://www.infowars.com/claim-mh17-wa...

Amid the confusion surrounding the downing of Malaysia Airlines MH17 comes a claim from an Iranian defense expert that could explain why the airliner was targeted by pro-Russian separatists.

Many have questioned how operators inside the Buk missile TELAR (transporter erector launcher and radar) could have possibly mistaken MH17′s radar signal as anything other than a civilian plane, given the Boeing 777′s altitude and transponder type.

Thus the notion that the missile operators believed they were firing at a Ukrainian Air Force surveillance plane has been rubbished by commentators.

Obama is saying he has some evidence, if he has, he should show it or shut up.

10 more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine, US over MH17 crash

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znbU9NQHAm0

PROOF! Fighter Jet Was Closing In On MH17 Before Crash, Satellite Images of BUKs!

http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/

Published on Jul 21, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

"[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane," he stated.

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia's Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-pl...

Obama's Plan To Spark WW3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjkiU...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjkiUxSA6u8&feature=youtu.be

Busted! Obama's Plan for World War Starting in Ukraine Was Exposed in 2008 by Russia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Published on Jul 21, 2014
The Russian Defense Ministry holds a press conference on the details of MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine. Defense Ministry reports that on the day of the catastrophe, a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the Boeing 777. Calling for Kiev to explain why the fighter jet was tracking the airplane.

Time stamps:

BUK M1 surface to air missiles: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=2m38s

Ukrainian SU25 fighter near MH17: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=11m17s

Video of air traffic over Donetsk: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=15m9s

Experimental US satellite over Ukraine during time of MH17: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=22m41s

Issue with 'smoking gun' video & car dealership address: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=25m3s

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 10:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:00am: The Russians & Ukrainians drink vodka like water - journalists have reported the smell of alcohol on the armed guards at road checkpoints. Yet, alcohol is odourless    :-/

True, Greggery, but our dear brother known as the Light does not abuse his body with such substances.

He just reads like that.

And so it is.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 10:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:00am: The Russians & Ukrainians drink vodka like water - journalists have reported the smell of alcohol on the armed guards at road checkpoints. Yet, alcohol is odourless    :-/

Pure alcohol may be, but are you saying that journalists, not in any special capacity but as normal people, cannot detect the telltale signs of the breakdown of alcohol on the breath of guards? 

Do you have a point? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Ng2iDT-0Y

Whistleblower, former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry: Ukrainian Troops Shot Down MH17

http://www.stage2omega.com/whistleblower-ukrainian-troops-shot-down-mh17/

Whistleblower: Ukrainian Troops Shot Down MH17
Governance, Truth and Republic, World News Add comments
Jul 22 2014

Published on Jul 21, 2014

Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5HtzbMy-E

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 8:06am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:00am: The Russians & Ukrainians drink vodka like water - journalists have reported the smell of alcohol on the armed guards at road checkpoints. They do Bobby, they're getting quite a reputation in Thailand, for all the wrong reasons, taking over certain areas, drunk and crazy. Russians scare me sometimes.

They are drunken Yobbos.

Kind regards Master Light

more lies and facts

being exposed

We already know they lied about Vietnam, Yugoslavia, the first gulf war, Iraq, Libya and Syria, what's new?

The reality is that the US have littered the skies of this border region with satellites. Russia have released their evidence, but America hasn't. If they had the smoking bullet, they'd show it, for sure.

The answer to the ten questions asked by Russia...."this man is caught up in his own propaganda machine"

That's not the answers we want.

many blessings master pansie

we continue here with truth and grace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e19rcdJmeJk

Obama's Evidence Disintegrates After Russia Mentioned Fighter Jet On Radar!

namaste ancient one ,

it appears you are remembering

whom you truly are

and so it is

namaste

- : ) =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZwChg_JmrI

Michael Savage Interviews Paul Joseph Watson on Malaysian Plane MH17 Shot Down - July 22, 2014

Published on Jul 22, 2014
July 22, 2014 - ( The Savage Nation ) - Michael Savage Interviews Paul Joseph Watson on Malaysian Plane MH17 Shot Down
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They are having trouble proving the narrative coming out of Kiev and Washington.

I see Obama backing down today since Russia showed their hand. Obama is now saying it looks more like it was accidentally shot down and Russia had no part in it......still put sanctions on Russia though, must be in case another plane gets shot down.

Why were the air traffic control tapes seized by Ukraine? Why isn't the United Nations Security Council demanding they hand them over to the independent investigators?

Why was there a Ukraine military plane trailing the passenger plane?

Why was the Malaysian plane diverted by Ukraine air traffic control authorities?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l9ivWkH3cQ

No evidence of direct Russian link to MH17 - US

Published on Jul 22, 2014
Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests Malaysia plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/560xhh

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/mh17-crash-it-was-not-a-boeing-777-proven-now-2-2997576.html

MH17 Crash It Was Not A Boeing 777 Proven Now!
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Benjamin Fulford – 7/22/2014

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The arrest of nazionist mass murderers like George Bush Jr. and Benjamin Netanyahu and their fellow cabalists is imminent, according to Mossad and other sources. These criminals and their fellow top cabalists have already been banned from traveling to over 180 countries and soon will be banned from traveling outside of their jail cells, the sources said.

The downing of remote controlled Israeli owned so-called “Malaysian Airlines flight MH17,” filled with dead and decomposing bodies, was one dirty trick too many for the nazionists and a turning point against them has now been reached within the world’s secret agencies and governments, according to multiple sources.

What we first saw in Syria were are now seeing in the Ukraine; a failed attempt to use a manufactured incident to start a war. The nazionists created “Sarin gas attacks on civilians” in Syria and now “dead HIV scientists” in the Ukraine and used it to try to fool the US military into attacking. Only this time in the Ukraine, even more so than was the case with Syria, nobody is taking the bait.

We can see this in the nazionist controlled corporate propaganda media “attack Russia” PR campaign. For example, UK nazionist puppet Prime Minister David Cameron has asked German PM Angela Merkel and French President Francois to press for more sanctions against Russia’s Vladimir Putin but this is just a PR stunt according to MI5 sources. Cameron had to do that because he was being blackmailed by a nazionist media baron with threats to publicize

We can see this in the nazionist controlled corporate propaganda media “attack Russia” PR campaign. For example, UK nazionist puppet Prime Minister David Cameron has asked German PM Angela Merkel and French President Francois to press for more sanctions against Russia’s Vladimir Putin but this is just a PR stunt according to MI5 sources. Cameron had to do that because he was being blackmailed by a nazionist media baron with threats to publicize

We can see this in the nazionist controlled corporate propaganda media “attack Russia” PR campaign. For example, UK nazionist puppet Prime Minister David Cameron has asked German PM Angela Merkel and French President Francois to press for more sanctions against Russia’s Vladimir Putin but this is just a PR stunt according to MI5 sources. Cameron had to do that because he was being blackmailed by a nazionist media baron with threats to publicize

his cocaine habit and his wife’s heroin addiction, the sources continued.

In any case, in the past such a public campaign by nazionist puppet leaders and the corporate propaganda media was used to condition the masses to accept an up-coming military event. Now though, nobody is buying it. No army is ready to do their bidding and even most the hired goons have stopped listening to them.

Furthemore, the internet and social media part of the nazionist campaign to vilify Russia “has been a total wipeout,” say sources in MI5 and other agencies. For example: the U-Tube presented as proof of rebel and Russian cooperation was shown to have date stamps from before the shootdown, the tweets from “a Spanish air traffic controller in Ukraine” actually came from London , the internet Putin assassination angle was fake ( Putin is too smart to overfly Ukraine) and the film being shown of the plane being shot down was from the daytime even though the plane was supposed to have been shot down at night. They are clearly losing the plot.

This entire “Malaysian plane” incident is being managed out of the State Department and by the Rand corporation, according to US based CIA sources.

Now Germany and France are so disgusted by the nazionist stunts being run out of Washington D.C. and Tel Aviv, they have decided to join the BRICS alliance, according to CIA sources in Europe. The Germans and French are systematically purging their governments of nazionist agents.

And for good reason. The fake Malaysian plane filled with bodies from the morgue stunt was the nazionist response to the announcement last week by the BRICS nations they had set up a development bank and a financial stabilization fund as a way to by-pass the cabal controlled World Bank and IMF. Think about it, here we have a group supported by over 188 nations announcing a plan to peacefully build economic infrastructure and the US and Israeli nazionists puppet governments react by shooting down a plane. Huh?

The other reactions were to brutalize the Gaza strip and keep pumping up a fake immigrant crisis in the US.

Furthermore, the WDS was also sent a whole new series of threats by these nazionists thugs last week. According to the latest threats “World War 3 has started,” the “US armed forces are ready to invade Russia,” etc. Do not believe it for a minute. As mentioned before, the armed forces of Russia, China, the United States and elsewhere have already come to an agreement to never let themselves be fooled into starting another world war.

Also, the campaign to rebrand the Muslim Brotherhood as ISIS is falling apart as the ever more ridiculous pronouncements coming out of ISIS via Jerusalem are becoming a joke. Check out this link for an example:

After consultation with Obama Tony Abbot said that “Pro Russian separatist shot down Malaysian airplane.


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http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/mh17-evidence-points-to-israeli-company-planting-bomb-in-amsterdam-3000446.html

MH17: Evidence Points to Israeli Company Planting Bomb in Amsterdam
Friday, July 25, 2014 21:32

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Gordon Duff explains the evidence in the following article.  Apparently US Intel has evidence that Israeli company ICTS helped place the bomb for the Christmas Day underwear bomber also.  Clearly there is massive lying coming out of the American “Press” as always on this event.  They are losing all credibility now with the latest lies on MH17 which they said was shot down by Russia within 20 minutes!  Just like they said Osama Bin Laden took down the towers within 20 minutes!

Video containing interview of Gordon Duff discussing this evidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOWrnZcVsR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3SaF-bfhes

Aviation Expert's Shocking Analysis of MH17 Crash! Cockpit Riddled by '30mm' Bullet Holes!

Published on Aug 2, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
Especially the voice recorder will be interesting when you look at the picture of a cockpit fragment. As an expert in aviation I closely looked at the images of the wreckage that are circulating on the Internet.

The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter projectile.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/no...

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Game Changer! Radar Images Expose The Truth About MH17!

Published on Aug 5, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
This is the most Explosive proof to date!
This radar evidence shows that the Singapore Flight changed course at the moment of the Crash Time. Radar also shows Smoking Gun Proof that MH17 Was picked back up on radar jumping up under the Singapore Airlines Flight path with Transponder Turned Off! On radar , it would seem as there was only 1 airplane. This same tactic could be used in the future, ghost riding a plane on radar, to attack an area. More info at links

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/singapore-airlines-plane-was-minutes-away-when-mh17-shot/story-fnizu68q-1227013657101

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there have been reports that 20 people onboard mh17

have " cosmic " clearance... way above obama...

another twist

namaste

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee9-0tGlOXE

Russian Fighter Jet Chased US Spy Plane Into Sweden After MH17 Event!


Published on Aug 5, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
A U.S. Air Force spy plane had no choice but to fly into Swedish air space without permission to evade a Russian fighter jet just a day after a missile downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, American military officials admitted. The plane, an RC-135 Rivet Joint, was conducting electronic surveillance on the Russian military when the Russians began tracking it with land-based radar, ultimately sending a fighter jet to intercept the plane.

http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-fighter-jet-chased-us-spy-plane-sweden-one-day-after-mh17-crash-report-1647422

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The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement” On August 8, Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium signed a non-disclosure agreement pertaining to data obtained during the investigation into the causes of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17 In the framework of the 4-country agreement signed on 8 August between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, information on the progress and results of the investigation of the disaster will remain classified. This was confirmed at a briefing in Kiev under the auspices of the office of the Prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko. In his words, the results of the investigation will be published once completed only if a consensus agreement of all parties that have signed the agreement prevails. Any one of the signatories has the right to veto the publication of the results of the investigation without explanation. Following the signing of this agreement, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine ratified the agreement and allowed for the participation of  Malaysian staff to participate in the investigation. International experts admit that for the survey of the wreck Malaysian Boeing 777 will take several weeks. The second phase will involve searches pertaining to the remains of the victims of the crash of flight MH17. Thus, it is safe to assume the results of the investigation are actually classified and the final expert opinion will not be released. (or only after a few years, when the political causes of the disaster will lose their relevance). The conclusion is simple – the intermediate results of the investigation directly prove the innocence of Russia and/or the Donesk militia.

globalresearch.ca/the-causes-of-the-mh17-crash-are-classified-ukraine-netherlands-australia-belgium-signed-a-non-disclosure-agreement/5397194

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Russia Wants Regular, Transparent Reports on MH17 Crash Probe MOSCOW, August 23 (RIA Novosti) - Moscow wants the investigation into the crash of a Malaysian Boeing 777 to be as most transparent as possible, and insists on regular provision if prove reports in accordance with the UN Security Council resolution, a diplomatic source told RIA Novosti. “Investigation into the reasons of the catastrophe should be carried out under international control, should be all-encompassing and transparent for the wide international audience and mass media,” the source said. “We will keep pressing for it, demanding the implementation of the UNSC resolution 2166 which stipulates monthly reports about the course of the investigation.” Resolution 2166 adopted by the UN Security Council in July calls for a thorough and impartial investigation into the MH17 tragedy and requires the secretary-general to provide the Security Council with investigation progress reports. The source stressed that the majority of Western media “seem to have been ordered to avoid the investigation issue for about two weeks.” “US official representatives who rushed to accuse Russia and Donetsk self-defense forces in the first hours following the tragedy, also maintain silence. America’s allies, particularly the British and the Australian, who were also among the first accusers, stick to the same policy. The international community has not yet seen the promised “incontestable evidence.” The explanation is that the truth could be inconvenient to Washington, London and Canberra,” the source told RIA Novosti. The source added that Kiev’s official position is also telling. “As the curtain of allegations is clearing, the specialists have more and more questions over the actions of the Ukrainian authorities and military toward the Boeing. Kiev still has not made public the recordings of the talks between air traffic control and the crew, which would allow to understand why the plane was in the combat area,” the diplomatic source said. Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine on July 17 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, killing all 298 people on board, including 193 Dutch nationals, 43 Malaysians and 27 Australians.

en.ria.ru/world/20140823/192273535/Russia-Wants-Regular-Transparent-Reports-on-MH17-Crash.html

So I wonder how many Coppers and Troops are still living it up in Europe at the taxpayers expense. Nothing to do but booze on everynight.

Perhaps Tones needs a new "Operation Bring The Coppers/Troops Home", we do have a budget emergency you know!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewKLEjxhTHQ

MH17 Evidence: Air Controller's Data Backs Claims Flight Was Shot Down from Air!

Published on Nov 13, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
The data “came from an air traffic control center in Rostov,” Melnichenko said, declining to reveal which one and whether it was civilian or military. He assured that “we have full trust in the sources, which helped us make it available to the public.”

“The data clearly shows that at the moment of the crash and after it there were planes moving north of the Boeing course. Most likely, they were military, because the spots are very close to each other. The conclusion is that there were either one or two aircraft there,” Melnichenko told the daily.


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New radar data indicating that military aircraft were in the air near Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 when it crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17 has been released by a Russian air safety consultancy.

The consultancy provided a snapshot representing the readings taken by a radar station located in Russia’s Rostov, near the Ukrainian border, shortly before and about 20 minutes after the MH17 crash.

According to Sergey Melnichenko, CEO of Aviation Safety consultancy, there were one or two warplanes in the air close to the Malaysian airliner. The data casts doubt on the version of the tragedy favored by Western nations, which claims the plane was shot down from the ground by rebel forces with a sophisticated surface-to-air missile.

The data “came from an air traffic control center in Rostov,” Melnichenko told Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper, declining to reveal which one and whether it was civilian or military. He assured that “we have full trust in the sources, which helped us make it available to the public.”

“The data clearly shows that at the moment of the crash and after it there were planes moving north of the Boeing course. Most likely, they were military, because the spots are very close to each other. The conclusion is that there were either one or two aircraft there,” Melnichenko told the daily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNAf2v4APw

New Flight MH17 Bombshell!? Russia Releases Interesting Satellite Images!

Published on Nov 14, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
UPDATE: Confirmed: Flight MH17 Shoot Down Image is Consistent with Flight Path and Debris Field
I don’t know what this is folks. I just saw it linked on Twitter and it’s from Russia Post. The caption translated reads: За мгновения до крушения «Боинга» под Донецком — уникальный кадр в аналитической программе «Однако» which translates to:
Moments before the crash “Boeing” near Donetsk - a unique frame in the analytical program “However”
It’s dated 14 Ноябрь, 2014 (November 14 2014)
I obviously cannot confirm it. But as you all know, the puppet regime in Ukraine has been pushing the “the Russians are invading” story all over again, they are deliberately shelling the crash site to destroy evidence and the war-mongering Ausies and Brits are accusing Moscow of shooting down Flight MH17 repeatedly in public.
If the Russians had this footage and were trying to play nice with the US and NATO countries before leaking it, now would be the time they get pissed off and let the rest of the world know they had nothing to do with shooting down that plane.
Yesterday, Russia released radar data that proved a Ukrainian military jet was in the area of Flight MH17 when it was downed. I wonder if someone leaked this to either bolster that evidence, or, if this is a bit of cognitive infiltration of disinformation, discredit it.

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Putin descends on G20 amid Cold War MSM panic

Published on Nov 14, 2014
The leaders of G20 member states arrive in Australia on the eve of this year's summit - with divisions between the political heavyweights looking wider than ever.

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MH17 Found Sawed In Half
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Parts of the Malaysia Airlines plane shot down over Ukraine were found sawed in half, USA Today reported.

According to the newspaper, international monitors, who had only recently gained access to the area, found that the cockpit of the plane had been breached with a saw. Until Monday, Russian-backed separatists had controlled the site.

It is unclear who damaged the plane or why.

Fergal Keane, a BBC correspondent, confirmed USA Today's report. Investigators told Keane that the plane had been hacked into with a diesel-powered saw. Keane said that the first-class area had been found damaged.

Many in the international community have accused separatists of gunning down the commercial plane. Both the separatists and the Kremlin have denied such allegations.

President Obama lashed out at Russia on Monday for blocking access to the crash site, asking, "What exactly are they trying to hide?”

On Tuesday, the EU announced increased sanctions on Russia in light of the crash.

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Shocking Amateur Video Shows MH17 Crash Aftermath!

Published on Nov 16, 2014
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A new amateur video has surfaced showing the horrific aftermath of the Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine, which killed all 298 people on board in July.

The cellphone footage was shot on July 17 in a field in the village of Hrabove, just minutes after the plane crashed.

Shocked residents can be seen descending on the scene as a massive pillar of black smoke fills the sky.

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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 15^th, 2014 at 5:45am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNAf2v4APw New Flight MH17 Bombshell!? Russia Releases Interesting Satellite Images! Published on Nov 14, 2014 http://www.undergroundworldnews.com UPDATE: Confirmed: Flight MH17 Shoot Down Image is Consistent with Flight Path and Debris Field I don’t know what this is folks. I just saw it linked on Twitter and it’s from Russia Post. The caption translated reads: За мгновения до крушения «Боинга» под Донецком — уникальный кадр в аналитической программе «Однако» which translates to: Moments before the crash “Boeing” near Donetsk - a unique frame in the analytical program “However” It’s dated 14 Ноябрь, 2014 (November 14 2014) I obviously cannot confirm it. But as you all know, the puppet regime in Ukraine has been pushing the “the Russians are invading” story all over again, they are deliberately shelling the crash site to destroy evidence and the war-mongering Ausies and Brits are accusing Moscow of shooting down Flight MH17 repeatedly in public. If the Russians had this footage and were trying to play nice with the US and NATO countries before leaking it, now would be the time they get pissed off and let the rest of the world know they had nothing to do with shooting down that plane. Yesterday, Russia released radar data that proved a Ukrainian military jet was in the area of Flight MH17 when it was downed. I wonder if someone leaked this to either bolster that evidence, or, if this is a bit of cognitive infiltration of disinformation, discredit it. http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/... http://www.1tv.ru/news/leontiev/271824 Category News & Politics

Putin from the start said was shot down by an aircraft, however the political agenda of others differed.

Now the pictures have become public a new political agenda pops up its all lies!