Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised.

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Both as bad as each other.

I'm sure the next post will contain something along the lines of how can you defend the murder of the 3 innocent Israeli boys.

I'm still of the opinion we should remove all media from the middle east, give them all the conventional weapons they desire & let them go for it.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Both as bad as each other. I'm sure the next post will contain something along the lines of how can you defend the murder of the 3 innocent Israeli boys. I'm still of the opinion we should remove all media from the middle east, give them all the conventional weapons they desire & let them go for it.

Bullsh.t, Smithy. As horrific as the murder of the Israeli boys was, it was done by individuals and not sanctioned by the government.

My husband agrees with your solution to the conflict - let them have at each other. A pretty piss-poor attitude in my opinion.

These boys were running toward safety. Four little boys with hopes and dreams for the future mowed down as collateral damage in a punitive measure against a people who have been punished enough for something they didn't do.

It's the holocaust all over again.

annie -

"..And in a way I'm yearning
To be done with all this weighing up of truth.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth.."

is how the ME mindset is.

i see no end to the  murderings there

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:46am:

it was done by individuals and not sanctioned by the government.

Are you sure?
Say for certain it was not sanctioned by the armed wing of Hamas, who are the Government of that side.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:46am:

A pretty piss-poor attitude in my opinion.

Born from frustration at seeing the same thing over & over again for the last 43 years.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:46am:

These boys were running toward safety. Four little boys with hopes and dreams for the future mowed down as collateral damage in a punitive measure against a people who have been punished enough for something they didn't do.

3 innocent boys who's hope & dreams snuffed out by religious/political ideology


Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:46am:

It's the holocaust all over again.

Yes it is & the prisoners have become the goalers :(


Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

"..And in a way I'm yearning To be done with all this weighing up of truth. An eye for an eye And a tooth for a tooth.." is how the ME mindset is. i see no end to the  murderings there

Totally agree.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Both as bad as each other. I'm sure the next post will contain something along the lines of how can you defend the murder of the 3 innocent Israeli boys. I'm still of the opinion we should remove all media from the middle east, give them all the conventional weapons they desire & let them go for it.

Yep.

Carpet bomb the entire ME and Nth Africa with AK47's and let 'em go for it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

annie - "..And in a way I'm yearning To be done with all this weighing up of truth. An eye for an eye And a tooth for a tooth.." is how the ME mindset is. i see no end to the  murderings there

The signature says "In a way I'm yearning to be done with all this weighing up of truth, an eye for an eye etc." While I agree that the vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians feel this way, I'm guessing that's not what you meant.


Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Are you sure?Say for certain it was not sanctioned by the armed wing of Hamas, who are the Government of that side.

Hamas have denied responsibility. The one thing about Islamic organisations is that they generally rush to proclaim responsibility proudly. Stupid, but true.

I fully believe that the murder of the settler boys was the act of individuals.


Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Born from frustration at seeing the same thing over & over again for the last 43 years.

Imagine, then, how sick of it the Israelis and Palestinians are. Unfortunately, they don't have the luxury of being desensitised to it.

Each murdered child needs to be mourned in their own right as an innocent victim - be they Israeli or Palestinian. The death toll in Gaza has exceeded 200. How many children need to die before people stop justifying it and start to care?

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:38am: Both as bad as each other. I'm sure the next post will contain something along the lines of how can you defend the murder of the 3 innocent Israeli boys. I'm still of the opinion we should remove all media from the middle east, give them all the conventional weapons they desire & let them go for it. Yep. Carpet bomb the entire ME and Nth Africa with AK47's and let 'em go for it.

As a father, you should be ashamed of yourself. Next time I see you write about your outrage at violence against women and children, I'll call you out for the hypocrite you are.

Simple.
If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing.
If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop.

Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians.

How can you possibly argue otherwise.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

Imagine, then, how sick of it the Israelis and Palestinians are. Unfortunately, they don't have the luxury of being desensitised to it.

Then as we tell all others, they need to do something about it.

Israelis refuse national service

Palestinians stop painting bloody murals of suicide bombers, make their name MUD instead of MARTYR

Both sides start ignoring your old men & their blind hatred.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter.

How can you be so sure they were Israeli bombs?

Hamas have had plenty of friendly fire incidents with their cheap unguided rockets which they would blame Israel for, do they understand the physics of projectile motion or do they believe a hearty allahu akbar is sufficient for a guidance system?

A hamas rocket which missed the yahud took out the electricity for people in Gaza, of course Israel supplies Gaza with electricity so they might not be in a hurry to fix it.
www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html

Israel has precision weapons, they invented them, the USA,UK and Australia use Israeli technology for their precision weapons,every shot is video recorded they know what they hit.

Do Hamas even have a clue where their unguided cheap Chinese rockets will land,does Amnesty International say firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is a war crime?

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many blessings

as the arch angel michael

descends now and expands upon this world

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to assist the people of gaza and shield

as many innocent beings as possible

from the continual onslaught from these

khazars whom call themselves jews

bind and rubuke the satanic forces ,so be it .

and so it is ,

namaste

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Quote:

...I had just returned to the hotel to type up some notes and file inserts on the day’s news when there was a large explosion on the quay at the port, a little after 4 o’clock in the afternoon. ...We saw a small fisherman’s shack on the quay, churning with grey smoke. Then we saw a gang of kids running from the shack, down the breakwater and onto the sand, hurtling toward al-Deira. A couple of waiters, the cook and a few journalists started waving at them. Run here! Then a second strike landed right behind them. The staff were yelling, “They’re hurt!” A half dozen kids made it to the hotel. A young man also reached safety and fainted. He was bleeding from the abdomen. He was scooped up and carried to a taxi by a big, friendly bear of a bellman, room cleaner and night watchman named Mahmoud Abu Zbaidah. Two young terrified kids were bleeding and injured, and they were quickly bandaged on the floor of the terrace, where guests usually eat skewers of grilled chicken, suck on water pipes and watch the sun go down. The kids had suffered shrapnel wounds, one to the head, one to the chest. They were treated by translators, hotel staff and journalists, who ran up to their rooms to grab medical kits. On the quay, ambulances took away four more. They either died on the pier or at the hospital, I am not sure. The Gaza Health Ministry tweeted their names a few minutes later: Mohammed Baker, 9, Ahed Baker, 10, Zakaria Baker, 10, and Mohammed Baker, 11. All cousins, we are told, scrawny fishermen’s kids whom we saw every day, running around on the beach, playing in the waves. The Israeli army, calling the incident tragic, later said the target had been a Hamas operative. thestar.com/news/world/2014/07/16/israeli_airstrikes_journalist_recalls_attack_that_killed_four_boys_in_gaza.html

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. How can you be so sure they were Israeli bombs? Hamas have had plenty of friendly fire incidents with their cheap unguided rockets which they would blame Israel for, do they understand the physics of projectile motion or do they believe a hearty allahu akbar is sufficient for a guidance system? A hamas rocket which missed the yahud took out the electricity for people in Gaza, of course Israel supplies Gaza with electricity so they might not be in a hurry to fix it. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html Israel has precision weapons, they invented them, the USA,UK and Australia use Israeli technology for their precision weapons,every shot is video recorded they know what they hit. Do Hamas even have a clue where their unguided cheap Chinese rockets will land,does Amnesty International say firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is a war crime?

Don't be stupid. It was a naval bombardment, for a start. The Israelis aren't denying it.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 11:28am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. How can you be so sure they were Israeli bombs? Hamas have had plenty of friendly fire incidents with their cheap unguided rockets which they would blame Israel for, do they understand the physics of projectile motion or do they believe a hearty allahu akbar is sufficient for a guidance system? A hamas rocket which missed the yahud took out the electricity for people in Gaza, of course Israel supplies Gaza with electricity so they might not be in a hurry to fix it. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html Israel has precision weapons, they invented them, the USA,UK and Australia use Israeli technology for their precision weapons,every shot is video recorded they know what they hit. Do Hamas even have a clue where their unguided cheap Chinese rockets will land,does Amnesty International say firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is a war crime? Don't be stupid. It was a naval bombardment, for a start. The Israelis aren't denying it.

This what happens when one just goes with whatever ones beliefs are rather than bothering to even look up the incident because your prejudice has already made up your mind for you.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 11:28am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. How can you be so sure they were Israeli bombs? Hamas have had plenty of friendly fire incidents with their cheap unguided rockets which they would blame Israel for, do they understand the physics of projectile motion or do they believe a hearty allahu akbar is sufficient for a guidance system? A hamas rocket which missed the yahud took out the electricity for people in Gaza, of course Israel supplies Gaza with electricity so they might not be in a hurry to fix it. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html Israel has precision weapons, they invented them, the USA,UK and Australia use Israeli technology for their precision weapons,every shot is video recorded they know what they hit. Do Hamas even have a clue where their unguided cheap Chinese rockets will land,does Amnesty International say firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is a war crime? Don't be stupid. It was a naval bombardment, for a start. The Israelis aren't denying it.

As we saw with the al dura hoax Israel tends to apologise first and investigate later so it is not unprecedented for Israel to not deny things.

The report cited said the second strike landed just behind these kids and did not kill them,a hellfire would have toasted them and they are small firecrackers compared to a JDAM,if it was fired from the navy there would be only small bodyparts found......

The fact the kids survived such a close aerial attack makes it quite likely it was a Chinese made Katyusha rocket that landed near them, they fire those in groups.

It looks like a hamas friendly fire incident to me.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:07pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 11:28am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. How can you be so sure they were Israeli bombs? Hamas have had plenty of friendly fire incidents with their cheap unguided rockets which they would blame Israel for, do they understand the physics of projectile motion or do they believe a hearty allahu akbar is sufficient for a guidance system? A hamas rocket which missed the yahud took out the electricity for people in Gaza, of course Israel supplies Gaza with electricity so they might not be in a hurry to fix it. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html Israel has precision weapons, they invented them, the USA,UK and Australia use Israeli technology for their precision weapons,every shot is video recorded they know what they hit. Do Hamas even have a clue where their unguided cheap Chinese rockets will land,does Amnesty International say firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is a war crime? Don't be stupid. It was a naval bombardment, for a start. The Israelis aren't denying it. As we saw with the al dura hoax Israel tends to apologise first and investigate later so it is not unprecedented for Israel to not deny things. The report cited said the second strike landed just behind these kids and did not kill them,a hellfire would have toasted them and they are small firecrackers compared to a JDAM,if it was fired from the navy there would be only small bodyparts found...... The fact the kids survived such a close aerial attack makes it quite likely it was a Chinese made Katyusha rocket that landed near them, they fire those in groups. It looks like a hamas friendly fire incident to me.

Is the NYTimes good enough or do we need a Mossad release?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/world/middleeast/gaza-strip-beach-explosion-kills-children.html

I have a brilliant idea to stop this action. I dont know why one noone has ever thought of it, all the Palestinians have to do is to stop terrorist actions against Israel. I know, simple isnt it? Im sick and tired of this guilt trip some people are on regarding innocent people getting caught up in these military actions, put the blame and the responsibility firmly at the foot of the people responsible, the Palestinians who refuse to live in peace with Israel.

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 11:01pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:07pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 11:28am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. How can you be so sure they were Israeli bombs? Hamas have had plenty of friendly fire incidents with their cheap unguided rockets which they would blame Israel for, do they understand the physics of projectile motion or do they believe a hearty allahu akbar is sufficient for a guidance system? A hamas rocket which missed the yahud took out the electricity for people in Gaza, of course Israel supplies Gaza with electricity so they might not be in a hurry to fix it. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html Israel has precision weapons, they invented them, the USA,UK and Australia use Israeli technology for their precision weapons,every shot is video recorded they know what they hit. Do Hamas even have a clue where their unguided cheap Chinese rockets will land,does Amnesty International say firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is a war crime? Don't be stupid. It was a naval bombardment, for a start. The Israelis aren't denying it. As we saw with the al dura hoax Israel tends to apologise first and investigate later so it is not unprecedented for Israel to not deny things. The report cited said the second strike landed just behind these kids and did not kill them,a hellfire would have toasted them and they are small firecrackers compared to a JDAM,if it was fired from the navy there would be only small bodyparts found...... The fact the kids survived such a close aerial attack makes it quite likely it was a Chinese made Katyusha rocket that landed near them, they fire those in groups. It looks like a hamas friendly fire incident to me. Is the NYTimes good enough or do we need a Mossad release? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/world/middleeast/gaza-strip-beach-explosion-kills-children.html

So why is there no evidence of anything like a small crater in the sand from where this alleged missile hit behind these kids, they have a photo of a kid on the sand yet the shockwave and explosion would have shifted many cubic meters of sand,the cloth would have been shredded from that beach structure behind the kid on the sand.

When the lebanese ambulance hoax occurred Israel took responsibility even though they were not responsible, it is standard OP for the IDF.
www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance

I still see no evidence of anything Israel has that was fired at these kids,it looks more like a katyusha rocket for damage.

ian wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

I have a brilliant idea to stop this action. I dont know why one noone has ever thought of it, all the Palestinians have to do is to stop terrorist actions against Israel. I know, simple isnt it? Im sick and tired of this guilt trip some people are on regarding innocent people getting caught up in these military actions, put the blame and the responsibility firmly at the foot of the people responsible, the Palestinians who refuse to live in peace with Israel.

Maybe Israel should annex Gaza and the West Bank and make all Palestinians citizens of Israel, with all the rights of a citizen.

edit: Empowerment makes people want to contribute, hopelessness... Well we know what happens then.

ian wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

I have a brilliant idea to stop this action. I dont know why one noone has ever thought of it, all the Palestinians have to do is to stop terrorist actions against Israel. I know, simple isnt it?.

:)

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:20pm:

Maybe Israel should annex Gaza and the West Bank and make all Palestinians citizens of Israel, with all the rights of a citizen. edit: Empowerment makes people want to contribute, hopelessness... Well we know what happens then.

It is more difficult to steal land from citizens. Citizens are supposed to have rights and legal protections. Israelis like to take stuff for free.

Gaza: this shameful injustice will only end if the cost of it rises

The idea that Israel is defending itself from unprovoked attacks is absurd. Occupied people have the right to resist

For the third time in five years, the world’s fourth largest military power has launched a full-scale armed onslaught on one of its most deprived and overcrowded territories. Since Israel’s bombardment of the Gaza Strip began, just over a week ago, more than 200 Palestinians have been killed. Nearly 80% of the dead are civilians, over 20% of them children.

Around 1,400 have been wounded and 1,255 Palestinian homes destroyed. So far, Palestinian fire has killed one Israeli on the other side of the barrier that makes blockaded Gaza the world’s largest open-air prison.

But instead of demanding a halt to Israel’s campaign of collective punishment against what is still illegally occupied territory, the western powers have blamed the victims for fighting back. If it weren’t for Hamas’s rockets fired out of Gaza’s giant holding pen, they insist, all of this bloodletting would end.

“No country on earth would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders,” Barack Obama declared, echoed by a mostly pliant media...

...But the idea that Israel is responding to a hail of rockets out of a clear blue sky takes “narrative framing” beyond the realm of fantasy...

...The latest violence is supposed to have been triggered by the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the occupied West Bank in June, for which Hamas denied responsibility. But its origin clearly lies in the collapse of US-sponsored negotiations for a final settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the spring.

That was followed by the formation of a “national reconciliation” government by the Fatah and Hamas movements, whose division has been a mainstay of Israeli and US policy. Israeli incursions and killings were then stepped up, including attacks on Palestinian civilians by armed West Bank settlers. In May, two Palestinian teenagers were shot dead by the Israeli army with barely a flicker of interest outside the country.

It’s now clear the Israeli government knew from the start that its own kidnapped teenagers had been killed within hours. But the news was suppressed while a #BringBackOurBoys campaign was drummed up and a sweeping crackdown launched against Hamas throughout the West Bank.

Over 500 activists were arrested and more than half a dozen killed – along with a Palestinian teenager burned to death by settlers...

...Gaza had nothing to do with the kidnapping, but Israeli attacks were also launched on the strip and Hamas activists killed. It was those killings and the West Bank campaign that led to Hamas resuming its rocket attacks – and in turn to Israel’s devastating bombardment.

Hamas is now blamed for refusing to accept a ceasefire plan cooked up by Netanyahu and his ally, the Egyptian President Sisi, who overthrew Hamas’s sister organisation the Muslim Brotherhood last year and has since tightened the eight-year siege of Gaza.

But having already suffered so much, many Gazans believe no further truce should be agreed without the lifting of the illegal blockade which has reduced the strip to hunger and beggary and effectively imprisoned its population.

As the independent Palestinian MP Mustafa Barghouti puts it, the Egyptian proposal was a “game” Israel will now use to escalate the war. Some sense of what can now be expected was given by the Israeli reserve major general Oren Shachor, who explained: “If we kill their families, that will frighten them.”

The idea that Israel is defending itself against unprovoked attacks from outside its borders is an absurdity. Despite Israel’s withdrawal of settlements and bases in 2005, Gaza remains occupied...its border, coastal waters, resources, airspace and power supply controlled by Israel.

So the Palestinians of Gaza are an occupied people, like those in the West Bank, who have the right to resist, by force if they choose...Israel does not have a right of self-defence over territories it illegally occupies – it has an obligation to withdraw. That occupation, underpinned by the US and its allies, is now entering its 48th year. Most of the 1.8 million Palestinians enduring continuous bombardment in Gaza are themselves refugees or their descendants, who were driven out or fled from cities such as Jaffa 66 years ago when Israel was established.

It can’t seriously be argued that Israel’s refusal to withdraw from the rump of the territory on which the United Nations voted to establish a Palestinian state in 1947 is because of rocket fire. It was after all during the period of quiescence over the past year that the Israeli government rejected the US plan for even a figleaf of a two-state solution – and stepped up illegal colonisation. As Netanyahu made clear this week, there cannot be “any agreement in which we relinquish security control” of the West Bank.

So we’re left with a one-state solution, operated on ethnically segregated apartheid-style lines, in which a large section of the population has no say in who rules over them, indefinitely.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/16/gaza-shameful-injustice-israel-attacks-occupied-people

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise.

You mean the logic of sensationalist propaganda which I've always known you to swallow whole.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg

tragic.
those asshole*s from Hamas should be strung up.
unfortunately, the dumb palestinians and dumb lefties cant see that this nonsense is playing directly into Hamas's hand.

they fire at israeli civilians (do you really expect israel to just cop it,  would sydney cop it if gosford started firing bombs that could land anywhere), then they hide amongst civilians and then play the victim. and the youth get radicalised because they are too stupid to see it is all the fault of these scumbags.
Lefties need to support the righteous people of israel in dealing with this difficult time.  they need our support , not our criticism

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

annie - "..And in a way I'm yearning To be done with all this weighing up of truth. An eye for an eye And a tooth for a tooth.." is how the ME mindset is. i see no end to the  murderings there

Is Nick Cave from the Middle East now?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:37am: Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise. You mean the logic of sensationalist propaganda which I've always known you to swallow whole.

He means the accurate solution..NOT the sensationalist propaganda/stupidity that attempts to blame Israel.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg tragic. those asshole*s from Hamas should be strung up. unfortunately, the dumb palestinians and dumb lefties cant see that this nonsense is playing directly into Hamas's hand. they fire at israeli civilians (do you really expect israel to just cop it,  would sydney cop it if gosford started firing bombs that could land anywhere), then they hide amongst civilians and then play the victim. and the youth get radicalised because they are too stupid to see it is all the fault of these scumbags. Lefties need to support the righteous people of israel in dealing with this difficult time.  they need our support , not our criticism

That support stuff is tricky, you see I do not in anyway support Israelies being murdered, however, I cannot in good faith support Israelies murdering either...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 3:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:37am: Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise. You mean the logic of sensationalist propaganda which I've always known you to swallow whole. He means the accurate solution..NOT the sensationalist propaganda/stupidity that attempts to blame Israel.

Yes we know how impartial you have been on this subject before.I think what is clear to the Palestinians is that Isreal has talked about the 2 state solution for 50 years but has absolutely no intention of following through and is progressively building settlements so that in a short time the Palestinians will have nothing left. So what could Isreal logically expect would be the response of many Palitinians. They will fight. That's clear to anybody. So whose responsible for this carnage; Isreal and their financial/military backers America of course.Noam Chomsky points out that one day Isreal will suffer for its greedy uncompromising stance. Let's hope that when the day comes the world won't sit by and watch them being slaughtered in the same way its watching the Palestinians being slaughtered by Is real today.

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 4:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg tragic. those asshole*s from Hamas should be strung up. unfortunately, the dumb palestinians and dumb lefties cant see that this nonsense is playing directly into Hamas's hand. they fire at israeli civilians (do you really expect israel to just cop it,  would sydney cop it if gosford started firing bombs that could land anywhere), then they hide amongst civilians and then play the victim. and the youth get radicalised because they are too stupid to see it is all the fault of these scumbags. Lefties need to support the righteous people of israel in dealing with this difficult time.  they need our support , not our criticism That support stuff is tricky, you see I do not in anyway support Israelies being murdered, however, I cannot in good faith support Israelies murdering either...

1. None of this would be happening if the Pallos from Gaza didn't murder the 3 Jewish boys.
2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? Ask Hamas to arrest the perpetrators and hand them over to Israel?
3. No country, no government could tolerate the murder of its citizens in cross-border raids.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 4:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 3:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:37am: Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise. You mean the logic of sensationalist propaganda which I've always known you to swallow whole. He means the accurate solution..NOT the sensationalist propaganda/stupidity that attempts to blame Israel. Yes we know how impartial you have been on this subject before.I think what is clear to the Palestinians is that Isreal has talked about the 2 state solution for 50 years

Well no ISRAEL ( the intelligent, correct spelling) have NOT 'been talking about the 2 state solution' for 50 years...because the 'Palestinians' have only existed for 30 or 40 years (no reason to talk about a separate state for a 'people' who don't exist).   

Quote:

because the 'Palestinians' have only existed for 30 or 40 years

quite an ignorant statement

as the vatican recognises palestine

you are forgiven yet again for your warped

sense of reality trying to inflict your poisoned mind

and idealisms upon humanity

you continue to be exposed

in the divine light , it's

quite becoming really

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:45pm:

Quote: because the 'Palestinians' have only existed for 30 or 40 years quite an ignorant statement as the vatican recognises palestine you are forgiven yet again for your warped sense of reality trying to inflict your poisoned mind and idealisms upon humanity you continue to be exposed in the divine light , it's quite becoming really namaste

Yes, but Palestine (the region) and Palestinian (the people) are NOT the same thing.

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones?

You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable.

I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise.

They may fire rockets into Israel but they do very little damage; its like throwing stones at a tank; I don't know why the Palestinians believe in the leadership of Hamas. The whole issue should be solved by UN, but that organization is a useless waste of money.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:02pm: 2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable. I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense.

Yes.  Absolutely.

And you're right: perpetuating murder is not the answer.  However, some people just don't get it.  Violence and hate is so embedded in their psyche that they don't even understand why it's wrong.

hawil wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:37am: Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise. They may fire rockets into Israel but they do very little damage; its like throwing stones at a tank; I don't know why the Palestinians believe in the leadership of Hamas. The whole issue should be solved by UN, but that organization is a useless waste of money.

If children threw rocks at my tank, they'd be axle grease. How dare they!

hawil wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:37am: Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise. They may fire rockets into Israel but they do very little damage; its like throwing stones at a tank; I don't know why the Palestinians believe in the leadership of Hamas. The whole issue should be solved by UN, but that organization is a useless waste of money.

Hamas are incredibly stupid for firing those rockets. Infuriatingly stupid.

I have a question that someone may know the answer to.

If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:02pm: 2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable. I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense.

So what did Israel do,  pick out a bunch of kids and slaughter them  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
Israel put in place a truce as soon as it found out that had happened.
That wont stand. The old Pals will cause more collateral damage of their own doing by firing more rockets.

Excuses excuses for Hamas they have no one to blame but their ugly and bitter little selves. The only reason they do it is so they can create great media for the bleeding hearts to soak up in the west while they beat their breasts. The losers here are of course the non targeted innocent children. Thanks Palestinian HAMAS.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?

Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees??

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:02pm: 2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable. I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense. So what did Israel do,  pick out a bunch of kids and slaughter them  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Yes. That's exactly what they did.

What are those demented emoticons for? What exactly do you find amusing in a discussion of dead children?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees??

No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:10pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:02pm: 2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable. I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense. So what did Israel do,  pick out a bunch of kids and slaughter them  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Yes. That's exactly what they did. What are those demented emoticons for? What exactly do you find amusing in a discussion of dead children?

Any mod who allows him to remain on this forum, is a joke.

Ban him now, and ban him for good.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg

Where is the proof it was a targeted attack as they ran towards a shelter or is that just Palestinian Rocket Launching HAMAS propaganda ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Any mod who allows him to remain on this forum, is a joke. Ban him now, and ban him for good.

I got no shine compared to you mate.

If you can stay with your Einsteinic posts of epic proportions anyone can.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm: Any mod who allows him to remain on this forum, is a joke. Ban him now, and ban him for good. I got no shine compared to you mate. If you can stay with your Einsteinic posts of epic proportions anyone can.

Unlike you, I don't jerk off over the corpses of dead children.

Mods: ban this ... thing, now,

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort.

well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons.

The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks.

And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza??

No, of course not. Especially not now - the Israelis are there. What's your point?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza??

The original question was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:00pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 4:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 3:34pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:37am: Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise. You mean the logic of sensationalist propaganda which I've always known you to swallow whole. He means the accurate solution..NOT the sensationalist propaganda/stupidity that attempts to blame Israel. Yes we know how impartial you have been on this subject before.I think what is clear to the Palestinians is that Isreal has talked about the 2 state solution for 50 years Well no ISRAEL ( the intelligent, correct spelling) have NOT 'been talking about the 2 state solution' for 50 years...because the 'Palestinians' have only existed for 30 or 40 years (no reason to talk about a separate state for a 'people' who don't exist).

Yes we've heard these distortions of history before. The Nazis used to use similar tactics to denegrate jews and justify dismissing them as a people when there was no Jewish state. Israeli's Nazi like behavior and unwillingness to compromise will ultimately be its undoing because of all people Jews should know better.

Setanta wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity?

No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it??

IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:19pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity? No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it?? IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors??

If possible. I don't know that it is in situations like this.  :-/

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:19pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity? No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it?? IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors??

They most certainly do have that responsibility. However, it's irrelevant to the question you tried to answer. Why are they Hamas militants and not the Palestinian Army?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:19pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity? No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it?? IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors?? They most certainly do have that responsibility. However, it's irrelevant to the question you tried to answer. Why are they Hamas militants and not the Palestinian Army?

because a lot of the world governments consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation and not a government. And IF Hamas isn't a Government, they can't have an army.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:19pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity? No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it?? IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors?? They most certainly do have that responsibility. However, it's irrelevant to the question you tried to answer. Why are they Hamas militants and not the Palestinian Army? because a lot of the world governments consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation and not a government. And IF Hamas isn't a Government, they can't have an army.

Ah, so it's about the popular kids denying to admit the unpopular kid to their group even though he was elected?

Setanta wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:56pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:19pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity? No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it?? IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors?? They most certainly do have that responsibility. However, it's irrelevant to the question you tried to answer. Why are they Hamas militants and not the Palestinian Army? because a lot of the world governments consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation and not a government. And IF Hamas isn't a Government, they can't have an army. Ah, so it's about the popular kids denying to admit the unpopular kid to their group even though he was elected?

Which is what actually happens with EVERY other 'kid' in the world, so yeah....( oh and btw, Israel is the unpopular kid, using  your methodology)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:59pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:56pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:19pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity? No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it?? IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors?? They most certainly do have that responsibility. However, it's irrelevant to the question you tried to answer. Why are they Hamas militants and not the Palestinian Army? because a lot of the world governments consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation and not a government. And IF Hamas isn't a Government, they can't have an army. Ah, so it's about the popular kids denying to admit the unpopular kid to their group even though he was elected? Which is what actually happens with EVERY other 'kid' in the world, so yeah....( oh and btw, Israel is the unpopular kid, using  your methodology)

No, by my methodology, it's the Palestinians(Arabs, local inhabitants) that are locked out, it's Israel that is in with the popular kids and is treated with deference by western countries. Including Au..

Setanta wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 10:03pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:59pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:56pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:44pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:19pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 9:03pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:18pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:12pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:07pm: I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army? Because it's NOT made up of paid and trained employees?? No, that's not it. They are trained and paid. My husband suggested perhaps rank and uniform, but that's not it either - I checked and they have both, of a sort. well YES it IS it. Your husband is correct. It's the difference between army and militia, and between state and religious reasons. The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks. And are they the only armed group operating in Gaza?? The original http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/highlight.gifquestion was "If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?", she then says "The military wing of Hamas has uniforms and ranks" and you ask if they are the only armed group? What relevance is there in that question? If Au had another armed group operating in it, would that make the Au army lose validity? No, but it would certainly be the Australian Governments job to control the behaviour of the 'non Army' groups, wouldn't it?? IF Hamas has 1 group of 2000 people as a legitimate military force, but there are 4,000 people shooting rockets over the border into Israel, don't Hamas, as the elected rulers, have a responsibility to control the behaviour of the 2000 'unofficial' warriors?? They most certainly do have that responsibility. However, it's irrelevant to the question you tried to answer. Why are they Hamas militants and not the Palestinian Army? because a lot of the world governments consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation and not a government. And IF Hamas isn't a Government, they can't have an army. Ah, so it's about the popular kids denying to admit the unpopular kid to their group even though he was elected? Which is what actually happens with EVERY other 'kid' in the world, so yeah....( oh and btw, Israel is the unpopular kid, using  your methodology) No, by my methodology, it's the Palestinians(Arabs, local inhabitants) that are locked out, it's Israel that is in with the popular kids and is treated with deference by western countries. Including Au..

Well the 'Arabs' or more correctly , the Muslims, ( since the area where Israel/Palestine is now is NOT Arabia) are, genetically/ethnically no different to the local Jewish population. So it's really a case of religious, not ethnic , disagreement.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

Well the 'Arabs' or more correctly , the Muslims, ( since the area where Israel/Palestine is now is NOT Arabia) are, genetically/ethnically no different to the local Jewish population. So it's really a case of religious, not ethnic , disagreement.

Let's call them Semites. I'm sure you would agree that the closer to the Semite(Arab) home land would be more "ethnically" Semite. Jews from Russia, UK, US, Germany, etc, are not closer genetically to the locals. Exo-Semites just show a genetic link to the people that lived in that area for millennia. Not a good enough reason to take over.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:10pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:02pm: 2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable. I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense. So what did Israel do,  pick out a bunch of kids and slaughter them  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Yes. That's exactly what they did. What are those demented emoticons for? What exactly do you find amusing in a discussion of dead children? Any mod who allows him to remain on this forum, is a joke. Ban him now, and ban him for good.

for posting emoticons?

ian wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 8:10pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:02pm: 2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable. I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense. So what did Israel do,  pick out a bunch of kids and slaughter them  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Yes. That's exactly what they did. What are those demented emoticons for? What exactly do you find amusing in a discussion of dead children? Any mod who allows him to remain on this forum, is a joke. Ban him now, and ban him for good. for posting emoticons?

:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) :-? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-/ :-* :'(

theres another one, quick, ban him.

ian wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

theres another one, quick, ban him.

Hey, we're both from Perth! Where's the nepotism?

Oh dear, ban them! Ban them!

Why are the left so censorious?

8-)

Datalife wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

Oh dear, bang them! Bang them! Why are the left so censorious? 8-)

Say what?

Unfortunately, it's not an option. If I could ban people for irritating me, there'd be three members left and we'd be sitting in a circle, holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:58pm:

Unfortunately, it's not an option. If I could ban people for irritating me, there'd be three members left and we'd be sitting in a circle, holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

Some folk consider that a desirable outcome for an Internet forum. 

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 10:58pm:

Unfortunately, it's not an option. If I could ban people for irritating me, there'd be three members left and we'd be sitting in a circle, holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

Chance tells me that out of all the people on this board, I wouldn't make that three. It seems I'll never get to sing Kumbaya whilst holding hands in a circle.

I am too busy being a Smart Ass intimidating people so they get banned by backward little old ladies like Annie Anthrax with Free Divers Divers BALLS in my mouth.

Grand Duke Imam Gandalf wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 11:36pm:

I am too busy being a Smart Ass intimidating people so they get banned by backward little old ladies like Annie Anthrax with Free Divers Divers BALLS in my mouth.

How come you have FD's BALLS in your mouth for the rest to happen?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:02pm: 2. What is the correct Israeli response to the murder of 3 of their young ones? You really think the "correct" response to the murder of their young ones is the murder of more children? That's so terribly wrong. Whoever killed the three boys should be punished. The collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is unjustifiable and inexcusable. I don't understand how people can be so moved by the murder of the Israeli boys, but be left cold about dead Palestinian kids. Is it just a matter of racism? It doesn't make sense.

The 3 Jewish boys were murdered by Hamas operatives.
The Palestinian boy was not murdered by the Israeli state.

Difference.

Such distinctions.

In any case, I was referring to the children murdered by the IDF as they played on the beach the other day, not the child who was tortured and burnt by the settlers.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Such distinctions. In any case, I was referring to the children murdered by the IDF as they played on the beach the other day, not the child who was tortured and burnt by the settlers.

An eye for an eye
A tooth for a tooth

This is the brutal repetitive game that the jews and the palestinians have been playing horrifically with each other for decades to nearly a century, its nothing new.

stryder wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:05am: Such distinctions. In any case, I was referring to the children murdered by the IDF as they played on the beach the other day, not the child who was tortured and burnt by the settlers. An eye for an eye A tooth for a tooth This is the brutal repetitive game that the jews and the palestinians have been playing with each other for decades to nearly a century, its nothing new.

Perhaps. But now there are billions of dollars worth of gas in them there Gazan seas and Israel is running low.

Wally ... Israel has long since been known to have a very hard-core International Socialist community very much as we do here at the universities, Teachers Colleges, Media Academies, and lawyers associations.

We even see them here on every page of Ozpolitic.

They are at heart anti-Capitalist warriors who will exploit any situation that can further their cause of discrediting First World civilisations as evil, and the oppressors of the Third World.

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

The 3 Jewish boys were murdered by Hamas operatives.

Errr evidence?

And if you really can back this up, you'll be doing better than the Israeli government.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:13am:

stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:09am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:05am: Such distinctions. In any case, I was referring to the children murdered by the IDF as they played on the beach the other day, not the child who was tortured and burnt by the settlers. An eye for an eye A tooth for a tooth This is the brutal repetitive game that the jews and the palestinians have been playing with each other for decades to nearly a century, its nothing new. Perhaps. But now there are billions of dollars worth of gas in them there Gazan seas and Israel is running low.

And Israel has millions and millions of arab enemies surrounding it, who would love nothing more than to wipe the israeli nation out of existence,

you support that annie ?????? hey

how do you REALLY feel ??

stryder wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:13am: stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:09am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:05am: Such distinctions. In any case, I was referring to the children murdered by the IDF as they played on the beach the other day, not the child who was tortured and burnt by the settlers. An eye for an eye A tooth for a tooth This is the brutal repetitive game that the jews and the palestinians have been playing with each other for decades to nearly a century, its nothing new. Perhaps. But now there are billions of dollars worth of gas in them there Gazan seas and Israel is running low. And Israel has millions and millions of arab enemies surrounding it, who would love nothing more than to wipe the israeli nation out of existence, you support that annie ?????? hey how do you feel ??

Ask me again when those ineffectual Arabs actually do something about it other than whinge. At this moment, in this conflict, it is Israel who are the aggressor and it is Palestinians who are dying at the whim of the IDF.

If Israel had the slightest concern about a threat from their Arab neighbours, they would modify their behaviour.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:13am:

Perhaps. But now there are billions of dollars worth of gas in them there Gazan seas and Israel is running low.

The Gaza Strip was gifted to the Palestinians as a gesture of reconciliation.

Bloody fools.

All it achieved was giving these Arabs another launching pad for their rockets.

The Israelis should move all the Gaza inhabitants into southern Lebanon, and then resettle it and access the offshore gas reserves.

That should bring some Peace in our Time.

For decades I've been watching the TV news showing us young, fit and healthy Middle Eastern Muslim men running through the streets like the Running of the Rulls in Pamplona ... shouting and carrying in a fit of mob hysteria ... and I've been wondering how they've survived so well without doing any productive work.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:22am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:13am: stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:09am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:05am: Such distinctions. In any case, I was referring to the children murdered by the IDF as they played on the beach the other day, not the child who was tortured and burnt by the settlers. An eye for an eye A tooth for a tooth This is the brutal repetitive game that the jews and the palestinians have been playing with each other for decades to nearly a century, its nothing new. Perhaps. But now there are billions of dollars worth of gas in them there Gazan seas and Israel is running low. And Israel has millions and millions of arab enemies surrounding it, who would love nothing more than to wipe the israeli nation out of existence, you support that annie ?????? hey how do you feel ?? Ask me again when those ineffectual Arabs actually do something about it other than whinge. At this moment, in this conflict, it is Israel who are the aggressor and it is Palestinians who are dying at the whim of the IDF. If Israel had the slightest concern about a threat from their Arab neighbours, they would modify their behaviour.

And how do you suggest they should modify there behaviour ??? have the IDF disarm themselves in front of there arab enemies who want to kill them in spades ?? not respond when there citizens are getting killed ??? what annie ??

stryder wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:33am:

not respond when there citizens are getting killed ??? what annie ??

Isn't that what you expect of Hamas?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:33am: not respond when there citizens are getting killed ??? what annie ?? Isn't that what you expect of Hamas?

Hamas have stated many times, that they will not rest nor die until they have driven every last jew from that holy real estate  ??

Now when Israel is faced with these open threats what do you suggest they should do annie ??????

pretty please answer this one.

stryder wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:38am: stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:33am: not respond when there citizens are getting killed ??? what annie ?? Isn't that what you expect of Hamas? Hamas have stated many times, that they will not rest nor die until they have driven every last jew from that holy real estate  ?? Now when Israel is faced with these open threats what do you suggest they should do annie ?????? pretty please answer this one.

That's not why the Israelis are invading Gaza, is it? You're grasping at straws for context to defend the indefensible.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:46am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:38am: stryder wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:33am: not respond when there citizens are getting killed ??? what annie ?? Isn't that what you expect of Hamas? Hamas have stated many times, that they will not rest nor die until they have driven every last jew from that holy real estate  ?? Now when Israel is faced with these open threats what do you suggest they should do annie ?????? pretty please answer this one. That's not why the Israelis are invading Gaza, is it? You're grasping at straws for context to defend the indefensible.

Grasping straws ???  ;D ;D ;D

Well then annie why dont you explain to me from your thinking why israel wants to bomb the s*** out of the gaza strip, in the last few days ???

I'll dumb it down for you.

Gaza has rich gas reserves. Israel needs gas. Hamas won't give Israel gas.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

I'll dumb it down for you. Gaza has rich gas reserves. Israel needs gas. Hamas won't give Israel gas.

Oh more so than the rockets that hamas is firing into Israel in the last few days, just ignore all the bads*** that hamas has done to fulfill its pledge to destroy Israel, Israel who are in the position of defending itself CANT DO NOTHING RIGHT, THEY ARE COMPLETLY EVIL,

You might as well say you support hamas primary doctrine of Israels destruction, annie,   ;D ;D ;D

Just say it. you might as well,  :D

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

I'll dumb it down for you. Gaza has rich gas reserves. Israel needs gas. Hamas won't give Israel gas.

Those gas reserves are 30 km offshore from Gaza at a depth of 600m,the Palestinian authority awarded British gas the exploration licence and they have a 90% interest in that operation.

Do hamas have the ability to harvest that offshore gas,have porcine animals become aerodynamic?

www.offshore-technology.com/projects/gaza-marine-gas-field

Hamas missiles can reach that location as they have control of Gaza now. No one can do anything with that gas while Hamas control gaza,

ian wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Hamas missiles can reach that location as they have control of Gaza now. No one can do anything with that gas while Hamas control gaza,

Exactly.

I support Israel because they support modern civilisation in preference to supporting Bedouin medievalism.


link

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

ian wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Hamas missiles can reach that location as they have control of Gaza now. No one can do anything with that gas while Hamas control gaza, Exactly.

Exactly ??

Your argument is still hollow annie, you should be careful about being brainwashed by all these pro palestinian propaganda that is your buying your mind by the spades.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

ian wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Hamas missiles can reach that location as they have control of Gaza now. No one can do anything with that gas while Hamas control gaza, Exactly.

Do you believe hamas can hit a gas platform 30km offshore with their rockets ?

When did porcine animals become aerodynamic?

The Great Challenge: Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPMXS6yflcg#t=2484

wally1 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:

http://i.imgur.com/tjyNWtO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ywsy5EI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nFTyHbZ.jpg

And those same people protesting against their government are thankful they are living in Israel, the only middle eastern country which freely allows it's people to express themselves.

Setanta wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:20pm:

ian wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 11:10pm: I have a brilliant idea to stop this action. I dont know why one noone has ever thought of it, all the Palestinians have to do is to stop terrorist actions against Israel. I know, simple isnt it? Im sick and tired of this guilt trip some people are on regarding innocent people getting caught up in these military actions, put the blame and the responsibility firmly at the foot of the people responsible, the Palestinians who refuse to live in peace with Israel. Maybe Israel should annex Gaza and the West Bank and make all Palestinians citizens of Israel, with all the rights of a citizen. edit: Empowerment makes people want to contribute, hopelessness... Well we know what happens then.

I'm sure the Israelis would suggest otherwise, like they go live in another Muslim country for example.
But of course there isn't another Muslim country on the planet who wants a bar of the Palestinians.
There happy though to provide weapons and missiles so they can attack Israel and kill Jews.
Not even Jordan, a country whose population is 60% Palestinian, the Queen who is Palestinian herself will allow more of them in.
Israel would have no interest whatsoever in going back to the days where school buses and seaside cafes were regularly targeted by suicide bombers.

hawil wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 10:37am: Simple. If Israel stop firing missiles , Hamas will still keep firing. If Hamas stop firing missiles, the jews will stop. Therefore, using the logic of Socrates, the ENTIRE problem, every death and every missile is ENTIRELY the fault of the Palestinians. How can you possibly argue otherwise. They may fire rockets into Israel but they do very little damage; its like throwing stones at a tank; I don't know why the Palestinians believe in the leadership of Hamas. The whole issue should be solved by UN, but that organization is a useless waste of money.

It has nothing to do with "believing in the leadership of Hamas".
The last time they held 'democratic' elections in Gaza, it was the Hamas party on one side, and the Fatah party on the other.
And as Fatah members were being kneecapped or thrown off rooftops in broad daylight meant come election day, there was only one party standing for election.
Hamas has the population in an iron grip.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

I have a question that someone may know the answer to. If Hamas are the democratically elected government, why are their military referred to as militants and not the Palestinian army?

Because only nation states have armies.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

I'll dumb it down for you. Gaza has rich gas reserves. Israel needs gas. Hamas won't give Israel gas.

So Palestinians murdered 3 Jewish kids in order to provoke Israel to, finally, go for the gas???


Annie, this is stupidity on a stupendous scale.  You have been sucked into some sort of vortex of non-thought.

It would be a lot simpler and CHEAPER for Israel to offer the Gazans the investment necessary to extract the gas and then buy it at market rates. A LOT CHEAPER - in money, resources, lives, reputation, everything.


It takes a heightened kind of  Islamic psychosis to think that war is the only way for Jews to get access to natural resources.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg

This is f***g wrong! Any child deserves to live, Israeli or Palestinian.
This world is really f***d up

Torpedo wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg This is f***g wrong! Any child deserves to live, Israeli or Palestinian. This world is really f***d up

Did you just have an epiphany?

The blame is with Hamas.
They fired 300 rockets into Israel.

No rockets = No retaliation.

That's the simple equation. What they are doing is pure idiocy.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

The blame is with Hamas. They fired 300 rockets into Israel. No rockets = No retaliation. That's the simple equation. What they are doing is pure idiocy.

bump, yes. Hamas got big donations many years ago to help their 'new' country.
they spent it on arms and rockets.

blame also lies with those that voted them in.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10937-moloch-molech

MOLOCH (MOLECH).

http://www.new2torah.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/molech_sacrifice.jpg

—Biblical Data:
In the Masoretic text the name is "Molech"; in the Septuagint "Moloch." The earliest mention of Molech is in Lev. xviii. 21, where the Israelite is forbidden to sacrifice any of his children to Molech. (palestinian or goyem children are ok by khazar imposter jew standards ~ edit: IITL)Similarly, in Lev. xx. 2-5, it is enacted that a man who sacrifices his seed to Molech shall surely be put to death. Then, curiously, it is provided that he shall be cut off from the congregation. In I Kings xi. 7 it is said that Solomon built a high place for Molech in the mountain "that is before Jerusalem." The same passage calls Molech an Ammonite deity. The Septuagint as quoted in the New Testament (Acts vii. 43) finds a reference to Moloch in Amos v. 26; but this is a doubtful passage. In II Kings xxiii. 10 it is stated that one of the practises to which Josiah put a stop by his reform was that of sacrificing children to Molech, and that the place where this form of worship had been practised was at Topheth, "in the valley of the children of Hinnom." This statement is confirmed by Jer. xxxii. 35. From II Kings xxi. 6 it may be inferred that this worship was introduced during the reign of Manasseh. The impression left by an uncritical reading of these passages is that Molech-worship, with its rite of child-sacrifice, was introduced from Ammon during the seventh century B.C.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10937-moloch-molech MOLOCH (MOLECH). http://www.new2torah.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/molech_sacrifice.jpg —Biblical Data: In the Masoretic text the name is "Molech"; in the Septuagint "Moloch." The earliest mention of Molech is in Lev. xviii. 21, where the Israelite is forbidden to sacrifice any of his children to Molech. Similarly, in Lev. xx. 2-5, it is enacted that a man who sacrifices his seed to Molech shall surely be put to death. Then, curiously, it is provided that he shall be cut off from the congregation. In I Kings xi. 7 it is said that Solomon built a high place for Molech in the mountain "that is before Jerusalem." The same passage calls Molech an Ammonite deity. The Septuagint as quoted in the New Testament (Acts vii. 43) finds a reference to Moloch in Amos v. 26; but this is a doubtful passage. In II Kings xxiii. 10 it is stated that one of the practises to which Josiah put a stop by his reform was that of sacrificing children to Molech, and that the place where this form of worship had been practised was at Topheth, "in the valley of the children of Hinnom." This statement is confirmed by Jer. xxxii. 35. From II Kings xxi. 6 it may be inferred that this worship was introduced during the reign of Manasseh. The impression left by an uncritical reading of these passages is that Molech-worship, with its rite of child-sacrifice, was introduced from Ammon during the seventh century B.C.

Absolutely right, those Israelites should only sacrifice their kids to YHWY.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:23pm: ian wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Hamas missiles can reach that location as they have control of Gaza now. No one can do anything with that gas while Hamas control gaza, Exactly. Do you believe hamas can hit a gas platform 30km offshore with their rockets ? When did porcine animals become aerodynamic?

Its a fact that their missiles have a 50 km capability. 

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised.

Annie,

OTHERS HAVE ALREADY MADE THIS POINT TO YOU;
If Hamas DID NOT continue to launch rockets against Israeli population centres, Israel would not be compelled to respond against Hamas - to try to halt the launch of Hamas rockets.

And, in launching rockets onto Israeli population centres, Hamas [moslems] is trying to terrorise Israeli civilians.





Annie,

In this forum - if you wanted to - you could...
1/ criticise Hamas for launching rockets onto Israeli population centres [because it is those actions - BY HAMAS - which are causing the Israeli military response!],
AND,
2/ you could criticise Hamas and the PA for recklessly conducting military operations against Israeli civilians, while using their own civilians - including children - as human shields.

HAVE YOU, EVER ?





Annie,

You accuse Israel;
"Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs...."


Annie,

Do you 'have a care' for moslem children ?

And, do you care - more - for the safety of moslem children, than even the parents of those moslem children ?iAnnie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

.....I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys.

YES! - me too, Annie!!!!



Quote:

"Our children.....were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine"

- Hamasi


Quote:

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: 'Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood' "Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo.html

ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!!!


Google;
"Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood"

Annie,

We have seen it reported, time and time again;
When something bad happens to persons who are deemed to be the enemy of moslems, moslems are seen to hand out sweets and confectionery on the streets of their neighbourhood.
[e.g. when 3 Jewish youths were abducted and murdered, by Hamas]






IN CONTRAST;
When some Israelis recently murdered a moslem youth, the Israeli government - PUBLICLY [and sincerely] - condemned the murder.

And the Israeli government is in the process of brining the accused perpetrators of that murder, to trial, in a court of law.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Such distinctions. In any case, I was referring to the children murdered by the IDF as they played on the beach the other day, not the child who was tortured and burnt by the settlers.

They would not have been struck if the 3 Jewish boys had not been murdered AND the Palesitian boy hadn't been murdered in response AND hams hadn't taken these as the opportunity to start shelling Israel AND if Hamas hadn't refused the ceasefire that Israel immediately accepted.

There comes a point where one thinks that this conflict will go on as long as Arabs hate the Jews more than they love their own children.

The backward, riven Arabs have one of the most dynamic and innovative people on their doorstep and instead of making the most of that, they fight them.  Unfookingbeliavebly stupid. No wonder the Jews than god for having the Arabs for enemies.



Take away message - don't kidnap and murder Jewish kids and then go apeshit with hundreds of missiles because you will be made to suffer.

Desist. You can't fook with the Jews any more. They have paid the price for the right to defend themselves. So don't fook with them.

Easy.

The Jews want peace and the Arabs don't. That's al there is to it.


Details here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC8KC5cLs8

I support Israel.

Setanta wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg This is f***g wrong! Any child deserves to live, Israeli or Palestinian. This world is really f***d up Did you just have an epiphany?

What is epiphany?

Torpedo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:24pm: Torpedo wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg This is f***g wrong! Any child deserves to live, Israeli or Palestinian. This world is really f***d up Did you just have an epiphany? What is epiphany?

A 'wake up' call.  8-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5dkEj4_45E

GUILTY: Pope, Jesuits convicted in historic case

In the Matter of The People v. Bergoglio et al (Case Docket No. 18072014-002)

The Judgement of the Magistrates of the Court, including the majority decision with with one dissenting opinion

Issued in Chambers Friday, 18 July, 2014

The unanimous Judgement of the Court is that the three primary defendants Jorge BERGOGLIO, Adolfo PACHON and Justin WELBY have been convicted and are guilty as charged of aiding and abetting Crimes against Humanity, including murder and human trafficking, and of personal involvement in those crimes. Their guilt has been ably presented and proven beyond any reasonable doubt by the Prosecution.

The refusal of the Defendants to respond to a lawful Summons, to deny or refute the charges against them, or to present a counter case in their own defense, compelled the Court to consider their silence as a de facto pro confesso plea in which their guilt was established by their refusal to enter a plea. Precedent has established that pro confesso – which is the refusal of a defendant to plea in a case of profound importance – provides the basis for the lawful conviction and deposing of rulers and responsible heads of church and state. (The People in Parliament v. Charles Stuart, January 3, 1649)

In this precedent, the High Court established by the Parliament of England ruled that the silence of heads of church and state when accused of crimes against their own people amounts to a confession by the accused of all of the charges made against them (January 22, 1649).

One of our colleagues offers a dissenting opinion.

While concurring with the judgement that all three Defendants are guilty as charged, the dissenting Magistrate argues that pro confesso applies only when no other means exist to prevent such rulers from perpetrating tyranny and wars of aggression on their own people and their liberties, as was so in the historical case cited.

The dissenting colleague argues that by convicting the Defendants primarily under a pro confesso precedent, their actual guilt for the crimes cited can be construed to have been established according to a legal technicality. To quote our colleague’s statement,

“The overwhelming guilt of these leaders for unspeakable crimes demands that we convict them not simply on the basis of a technicality but according to the evidence alone, so that their guilt is crystal clear to the world and to posterity.”

The Court has taken into account this dissenting opinion in formulating its final judgement.

Accordingly, it is the unanimous judgement of the Court that:

1. The Defendants Jorge BERGOGLIO, Adolfo PACHON and Justin WELBY are guilty as charged on two counts: of organizing, aiding and abetting Crimes against Humanity, including murder and human trafficking, and of personally participating in the routine and ritual rape, torture and murder of children.

2. The Defendants are sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole or pardon, and to the forfeiture of their assets, property and authority.

3. The sworn Sheriffs of the Court and their affiliated Direct Action Units, established by the Court on June 1, 2014, are ordered to immediately arrest and imprison the Defendants at facilities provided by the Court, and to seize their property and assets. The public is asked to assist the Sheriffs in this task. An open ended International Citizens’ Arrest Warrant will be issued by the Court against the convicted persons within 48 hours of this judgement.

4. The Court will produce a full public statement making it clear that the basis for its conviction of the Defendants lay entirely in the hard evidence of their guilt, and that their refusal to plea, and hence the pro confesso judgement, was a contributing factor but not the basis of the guilty sentence.

5. In addition, to emphasize that this conviction is not a limited one aimed only at the top figureheads of murderous regimes, as of September 1, 2014, the Court will establish an ongoing Permanent Inquiry to investigate and prosecute others involved in the crimes proven in this case and contained in the permanent Court record. This Inquiry shall be entitled The Permanent Commission into Child Trafficking and Ritual Sacrifice and will have the power to subpoena and arrest, and adjudicate cases before the Court. The Commission will be international in scope, have no time restriction, and will seek cooperation from governments, international agencies and police forces with the aim of prosecuting and stopping forever the trafficking, ritual torture and murder of children.

6. To protect this Commission, its witnesses, officers and evidence, the Court record from the case of The People v. Bergoglio et all will remain sealed for now, along with the identity of the witnesses and Court officers, with the exception of that permitted by the special and unanimous authorization of the Court. The Jury members who were involved in proceedings thus far are relieved of their duties and thanked for their efforts.

7. This concludes the case of The People v. Bergoglio et al.

Issued by the Judicial Council of The International Common Law Court of Justice, Brussels
19 July, 2014

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:15am:

Torpedo wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:58am: Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:24pm: Torpedo wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:26am: Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg This is f***g wrong! Any child deserves to live, Israeli or Palestinian. This world is really f***d up Did you just have an epiphany? What is epiphany? A 'wake up' call.  8-)

Thank you very much

Setanta wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:49pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:42pm: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10937-moloch-molech MOLOCH (MOLECH). http://www.new2torah.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/molech_sacrifice.jpg —Biblical Data: In the Masoretic text the name is "Molech"; in the Septuagint "Moloch." The earliest mention of Molech is in Lev. xviii. 21, where the Israelite is forbidden to sacrifice any of his children to Molech. Similarly, in Lev. xx. 2-5, it is enacted that a man who sacrifices his seed to Molech shall surely be put to death. Then, curiously, it is provided that he shall be cut off from the congregation. In I Kings xi. 7 it is said that Solomon built a high place for Molech in the mountain "that is before Jerusalem." The same passage calls Molech an Ammonite deity. The Septuagint as quoted in the New Testament (Acts vii. 43) finds a reference to Moloch in Amos v. 26; but this is a doubtful passage. In II Kings xxiii. 10 it is stated that one of the practises to which Josiah put a stop by his reform was that of sacrificing children to Molech, and that the place where this form of worship had been practised was at Topheth, "in the valley of the children of Hinnom." This statement is confirmed by Jer. xxxii. 35. From II Kings xxi. 6 it may be inferred that this worship was introduced during the reign of Manasseh. The impression left by an uncritical reading of these passages is that Molech-worship, with its rite of child-sacrifice, was introduced from Ammon during the seventh century B.C. Absolutely right, those Israelites should only sacrifice their kids to YHWY.

yes you may say as much

however

these are khazars pretending to be jews

and as such all non khazar is goyem and animal

so your assertion is noted , yet it is not

written in their doctrine...

..hence your confusions

which remain forgiven ,

carry on regardless

namaste

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:03pm: I'll dumb it down for you. Gaza has rich gas reserves. Israel needs gas. Hamas won't give Israel gas. So Palestinians murdered 3 Jewish kids in order to provoke Israel to, finally, go for the gas??? Annie, this is stupidity on a stupendous scale.  You have been sucked into some sort of vortex of non-thought. It would be a lot simpler and CHEAPER for Israel to offer the Gazans the investment necessary to extract the gas and then buy it at market rates. A LOT CHEAPER - in money, resources, lives, reputation, everything. It takes a heightened kind of  Islamic psychosis to think that war is the only way for Jews to get access to natural resources.

Hamas won't deal with Israel, period. Israel won't do anything that financially benefits Hamas, for obvious reasons. A proposed Israeli solution was to pay for the gas in goods.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:03pm: I'll dumb it down for you. Gaza has rich gas reserves. Israel needs gas. Hamas won't give Israel gas. So Palestinians murdered 3 Jewish kids in order to provoke Israel to, finally, go for the gas??? Annie, this is stupidity on a stupendous scale.  You have been sucked into some sort of vortex of non-thought. It would be a lot simpler and CHEAPER for Israel to offer the Gazans the investment necessary to extract the gas and then buy it at market rates. A LOT CHEAPER - in money, resources, lives, reputation, everything. It takes a heightened kind of  Islamic psychosis to think that war is the only way for Jews to get access to natural resources. Hamas won't deal with Israel, period. Israel won't do anything that financially benefits Hamas, for obvious reasons. A proposed Israeli solution was to pay for the gas in goods.

many blessings and again

to be correct

the mossad started hamas to overthrow the plo

some are and remain ignorant

so be it

namaste

we can blame the Palestinian people then for voting Hamas, a terrorist organisation as their government. Hows that working out for them?

Torpedo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:36am:

Thank you very much

"You're very welcome" ...

That's another 'service attendants' saying that irritates the hell out of me.

"Have a nice day!"

"Have a good one!"

"No problem!"

"No worries!"

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:36am: Thank you very much "You're very welcome" ... That's another 'service attendants' saying that irritates the hell out of me. "Have a nice day!" "Have a good one!" "No problem!" "No worries!"

It's all good.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:45pm: Torpedo wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:36am: Thank you very much "You're very welcome" ... That's another 'service attendants' saying that irritates the hell out of me. "Have a nice day!" "Have a good one!" "No problem!" "No worries!" It's all good.

Don't get me started.  :P

"Enjoy your meal" ...

***********

The Israeli ~ Gaza conflict has been very thoroughly propagandised by the Leftwing media to the effect that it's now de rigueur to support the Palestinians against the 'Jews' if you know what's good for you.

Hence ... we witness the somewhat hilarious spectacle of Scottish football players who wouldn't have a clue who Britain's Deputy Prime Minister is ... going 'ape' that someone has dared to contradict the group-mantra that says all things Israeli are evil and satanic, while all things Palestinian are divinely innocent and pure as the driven snow.

link 

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:03pm: I'll dumb it down for you. Gaza has rich gas reserves. Israel needs gas. Hamas won't give Israel gas. So Palestinians murdered 3 Jewish kids in order to provoke Israel to, finally, go for the gas??? Annie, this is stupidity on a stupendous scale.  You have been sucked into some sort of vortex of non-thought. It would be a lot simpler and CHEAPER for Israel to offer the Gazans the investment necessary to extract the gas and then buy it at market rates. A LOT CHEAPER - in money, resources, lives, reputation, everything. It takes a heightened kind of  Islamic psychosis to think that war is the only way for Jews to get access to natural resources. Hamas won't deal with Israel, period. Israel won't do anything that financially benefits Hamas, for obvious reasons. A proposed Israeli solution was to pay for the gas in goods.

Hamas build tunnels for terrorism, stores weapons and missiles under schools and mosques and DOES NOT provide shelter for civilians even as it provokes Israel. Hamas WANTS the civilian casualties for propaganda purposes, that is why it does absolutely nothing to protect Gazans. 

And if that's not bad enough, Hamas, like Fatah and the PLO, is a corrupt kleptocracy.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:45pm: Torpedo wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:36am: Thank you very much "You're very welcome" ... That's another 'service attendants' saying that irritates the hell out of me. "Have a nice day!" "Have a good one!" "No problem!" "No worries!" It's all good. Don't get me started.  :P "Enjoy your meal" ... *********** The Israeli ~ Gaza conflict has been very thoroughly propagandised by the Leftwing media to the effect that it's now de rigueur to support the Palestinians against the 'Jews' if you know what's good for you. Hence ... we witness the somewhat hilarious spectacle of Scottish football players who wouldn't have a clue who is Britain's Deputy Prime Minister  ... going 'ape' that someone has dared to contradict the group-mantra that says all things Israeli are evil and satanic, while all things Palestinian are divinely innocent and pure as the driven snow.

And...???
Does it mean that Palestinian kids can be killed?
You need a doze of "epiphany" to suppress your "euphoria"
"Kind regards"
just to piss you off :)) haha

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Four young children were murdered by Israeli bombs in a targeted attack as they ran toward shelter. I look forward to seeing how anyone could possibly defend the wilful killing of these poor boys. This is the reason young men become radicalised. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10532336_10152518940967357_1313815765749902464_n.jpg

Quite easy to defend actually, as the wounding of these kids was caused by stray shellfire from an Israeli warship.
There is no proof whatsoever that an Israeli naval vessel intentionally and deliberately took the time to target four kids playing on a beach for a giggle.
And no one with any common sense would suggest that any professional armed force from a nation state would deliberately waste a shell and target just children playing on a beach.
And one of the reasons young men over there become radicalised, is because they are educated from the cradle to be so.
Anyone who has seen children's television in Gaza knows that the kids are taught on a daily basis that Jews are pigs who have stolen their parents land.
The hate for Jews is taught to these kids the moment their television is turned on.