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Title: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Taipan on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:23am
Alan Watt said over five years ago that sexual perversions such as incest and paedophilia would become a "new normal" and now I'm hearing this;
Sydney judge slammed for incest comments District Court Judge Garry Neilson reportedly said the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings and between adults and children as "unnatural" or "taboo", just as homosexuality is now widely accepted. "A jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now available, not having [a] sexual partner" he is reported as saying by Fairfax media. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/07/10/09/12/sydney-judge-slammed-for-incest-comments Welcome to your Sick, Sad , World. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by bogarde73 on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:26am
And one of the sickest, saddest parts of it is the judiciary & magistracy we have in the main.
All products of left-leaning university law schools. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Outrage Bus on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:30am
Nicely taken out of context.
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Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Chard on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:30am
So the judge is yet another pridish c*nt that believe homosexuality and incest/pedophilia/beatiality are the same...
This is news how? I mean, other than demonstrating that, once again, you guys are the US with 1/10th the population set twenty years ago? |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Outrage Bus on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:32am
I dont know chard, to be honest, theres no detail about where the judge said it and in what context.
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Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by ian on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:44am
The magistrate is correct in his comments, homosexuality was previously considered a sexual perversion , now it isnt. If you look at DSM it has only recently changed.
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Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:10am
Sydney judge slammed for incest comments
9:10am July 10, 2014 A Sydney judge's comments about the taboo falling away from incest have outraged child protection advocates. District Court Judge Garry Neilson reportedly said the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings and between adults and children as "unnatural" or "taboo", just as homosexuality is now widely accepted. "A jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now available, not having [a] sexual partner" he is reported as saying by Fairfax media. He said the only reason that incest was still a crime was because of the high risk of genetic abnormalities in children born from consanguineous relationships. "But even that falls away to an extent (because) there is such ease of contraception and readily access to abortion," he added. Dr Cathy Kezelman, president of adults surviving child abuse, said his comments were archaic and "beyond belief". She said in the case of incest when family boundaries are crossed, there is profound damage to children. "It's finally been spoken about. But attitudes do need to shift. There are still a lot of myths, still a lot of entrenched, very damaging beliefs and that's why we need to speak out about it, attack those myths and educate people, so we're not hearing these outrageous statements," she said. Dr Kezelman says the Attorney-General needs to look into the matter. "We need to look at the calibre and the awareness of judges on our benches," she told Fairfax Radio Network on Thursday. Judge Neilson made the comments this week in the case of a 58-year-old man who is charged with repeatedly raping his younger sister in the family's western Sydney home in 1981. Braveheart's Hetty Johnston has called for Judge Neilson to step down from the bench for his "ludicrous and obscene remarks" http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/07/10/09/12/sydney-judge-slammed-for-incest-comments#Rp9Hc9BQOh9bq6xz.99 |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:15am bogarde73 wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:26am:
In suggesting that the normalisation of incest being some kind of "leftist" idea - puts you right down there with Taipan, Swagman - and all their OTHER "loopy" mates |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Alinta on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:20am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:32am:
From SMH..... In a nutshell.... The man has already pleaded guilty to sexual offence charges relating to his sister that occurred in 1973/74. He has pleaded not guilty to the sexual offence charges that relate to 1981. The Prosecutor submitted to the Judge that the jury should hear evidence of his prior conduct. In his refusal to admit the prior conduct evidence, he made the comments re incest etc. Prosecution has requested the Court of Criminal Appeal assign a different Judge to hear the case. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Soren on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:21am
An ogre in the bush
Grabs a lady by the tush That's bad, that's bad. But it used to be called flirting or 'rougher than usual handling'. A revolution in mores - a slap on the bum is now a crime but sodomy, which used to be a capital crime, is now lifestyle choice. O tempora o mores! - or Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis? |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Outrage Bus on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:22am
INteresting, but is there legal basis for denying the prior conduct evidence
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Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Alinta on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:37am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:22am:
It's generally not allowed into evidence..........but there are exceptions |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by cods on Jul 10th, 2014 at 2:23pm
the good judge probably thinks its old fashioned to book someone for drink driving as well...something judges do quite well..
lets face it not every person the drives after a few kills someone do they??? so why bother making a law against it...if we can suffer homosexuals why not drink drivers...????? ::) ::) ::) that way we will be prepared when the law changes and makes incest legal... goodness me what ever will judges be judging??? >:(.. prize cattle maybe. :D |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Hot Breath on Jul 10th, 2014 at 3:30pm
I suspect this will be a difficult question for some here - if sex is consensual between a brother and a sister, who is the victim and why is the act illegal? If it is non-consensual it is rape and should be judged under that crime. Consensual incest is a victimless crime and is only illegal because some people feel the need to interfere in the bedroom of their fellow citizens. ;D :D ;D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
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Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Outrage Bus on Jul 10th, 2014 at 3:33pm
I suppose the key point is consent.
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Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by freediver on Jul 10th, 2014 at 4:29pm
Some strange things about his critics:
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The judge specifically stated sexually mature, active and available. Also this one: Quote:
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Not sure which one is more appropriate - archaic or progressive. Our society was certainly more tolerant of incest a long time ago. I think our views on this are moving in the opposite direction to homosexuality. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Sir_Oh_Yeah on Jul 10th, 2014 at 9:24pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 3:33pm:
The key point is consenting adults That seems to be the point that people like Bernardi and Taipan don't seem to understand |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Gnads on Jul 11th, 2014 at 11:28am
The fact that any of you can consider two consenting adults that are brother & sister should be able to have sexual relationship is frightening. :o ::)
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Hole in one Soren ;D |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Hot Breath on Jul 11th, 2014 at 3:33pm Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 11:28am:
Why? Who they are the harming if they are indeed consenting and adult? Who is the victim in this supposed crime? God? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Hot Breath on Jul 11th, 2014 at 3:34pm The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Both want to sit in everybody's bedroom and check who's rooting whom and how, just to make it conforms to the norm they have defined for everybody else! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Hot Breath on Jul 11th, 2014 at 3:36pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 3:33pm:
Yes. Without it, it becomes rape. We have laws against that, why do we need another law against non-rape? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:20pm
Most of the commentary I have read on here on here is (as usual) off the topic or failing to understand it. The Judge WASNT promoting incest or child abuse. He was instead making a comment on social mores and how they change using homosexuality as the classic example. And since he was specifically talking about ADULT incestuous relationships the predictable outrage from the usual suspects was a idiotic as ever.
Incest has a very strong societal taboo. There is also a genetic predisposition to avoid incest. Which of those two statements differs from the story of homosexuality in society? NEITHER. Whether adult incest will even be decriminalised or socially acceptable is an interesting question, but as usual, you cannot ask a serious provocative question in this society without your motivations being the only thing ever asked. Personally, the thought repulses me, but so does homosexuality. Do if we remove our personal revulsion or opinion, what is the basis for criminalising adult incest? I don't expect any rational discussion on the last paragraph any more than the judge dd. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:25pm Taipan wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:23am:
Fair enough comment: this is pretty heinous alright! |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:28pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:20pm:
- you are committing well known and understood to be probable disability onto the progeny of such union! Therefore, it has become legislated as crime! |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Gnads on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:52am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:28pm:
Exactly .... even primitive peoples had systems in place to prevent it happening ... our first people had a system called "skin groups". So did you hear about that incestuous lady golfer? She always had one under Pa :P |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Kytro on Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:00am Taipan wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:23am:
What happens between consenting adults shouldn't really be a matter for law enforcement. Unless there is someone being hurt, it's really not anyone else's place to comment. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Gnads on Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:16am
Rubbish ..... taboos & laws against incest are there for a damned good reason.
It's to prevent inbreeding & weakening of the gene pool which is then prone to abnormalities & their continuance & proliferation through the subsequent generations. Quote:
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-and-Disorders Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent.... and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. ::) |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Kytro on Jul 13th, 2014 at 11:21am Gnads wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:16am:
You realise that there is a difference between sex, marriage and children, right? [quote author=Gnads link=1404951831/26#26 date=1405210560] Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent.... and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. ::)[/quote] How you feel about isn't really relevant. You really think it is reasonable to restrict something because you find it icky? |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by freediver on Jul 13th, 2014 at 1:42pm
Although contraception is available, it is still inevitable that children will be born into long term sexual relationships, one way or another.
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Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Taipan on Jul 13th, 2014 at 1:54pm Gnads wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:16am:
Agreed! |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Laugh till you cry on Jul 13th, 2014 at 2:35pm Taipan wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
Finally Taipan admits that outbreeding is a genetically beneficial process. Therefore extended outbreeding outside one's race must be even better. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Gnads on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:35pm Kytro wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 11:21am:
How you feel about isn't really relevant. You really think it is reasonable to restrict something because you find it icky? [/quote] So which one are are you? MoFo, Pater Poker or Sister Stalker .... you sick bastard. ::) Been watching Game of Thrones .... Cersei & Jaime took your fancy? Fairdinkum you need therapy. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:54pm ian wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:44am:
DSM is a joke: lots of drugs to sell and labels are the ony thing that makes the business legitimate! This mad industry believes 1/3 of the world is undiagnosed bipolar- that is a shed load of profiteering to be imagined!! |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:56pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 2:35pm:
The point is a good one! 8-) |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:57pm freediver wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 1:42pm:
exactly: making incest worthy of criminality! |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:59pm Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:52am:
You're saying skin colour was a basic system to prevent incest? :o :o |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Kytro on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Ah, making it illegal will not change this. Making the relationship legal but having children illegal isn't likely to have a significant impact considering the likely uptake. Those who want to do this, will do it anyway, and those who want the sex without the children are of no concern. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:50pm Soren wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 11:21am:
What you and bobby get up to is your business, and your business only. Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by freediver on Jul 14th, 2014 at 5:40pm Kytro wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
I don't think incest is like homosexuality. It is not an orientation. That being said, making homosexuality illegal would have had a significant impact on the practice too. It is not a drug. Another thing to consider is that even in an otherwise legal adult relationship, there is still significant potential for abusive power relationships - for more so than non-incestuous relationships. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Kytro on Jul 14th, 2014 at 6:06pm freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
I agree that it isn't an orientation. A possibility of a power imbalance isn't really sufficient reason to ban something outright. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by freediver on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm
Apparently it is. Teachers are often forbidden from having sexual relations with their students, regardless of whether it breaks any laws.
Is incest between adults illegal in Australia? |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:32pm freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Not as far as I know. The Human Rights (Sexual Conduct) Act 1994 (Cwth) keeps most Darwinians and Tasmanians out of gaol. |
Title: Re: More perversion to be accepted? Post by Kytro on Jul 19th, 2014 at 7:20pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:32pm:
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