We are not even in the top 20 emmiters and we are within the top 3 that take co2 out of the atmosphere.

Which idiot thought we should have a carbon tax.

Not on the c02 top 20 emitters list
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/top-20-carbon-emitting-nations.jpg

We are third on the co2 sequestration list.

We should be getting reparations from China or even Ethiopia
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/top-20-carbon-sequestering-nations.jpg


Australia, pretty bloody quiet on the co2 emissions front

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/net-co2-flux-2010-ibuku-data1.jpg


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/05/the-revenge-of-the-climate-reparations

We all know that we'll be able to burn fossil fuels forever coz its an infinite source of clean energy  ;D

Gee Crowbait then what are you worried about we'll be out of coal soon and looking for alternatives for baseload power.

Nuclear perhaps eh.  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

We all know that we'll be able to burn fossil fuels forever coz its an infinite source of clean energy  ;D

Opened your big bucket of stupid right from the get-go didn't you?



Left wing chimps, eat, sh1t, masturbate.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Burning long dead plants and animals for a source of energy is the way of the future  ;D

No warming in almost two decades. Must be hard pushing the phony global warming lie when the evidence doesn't back up the alarmists, lol!!!

Brazil does more carbon sequestration than we do? But... but... I thought our carbon tax would result in all the goons running to Brazil for resources? ... ... what happened, "employed women are communists"boy?

Now there we agree on.  I've long said that discussion of 'per capita' are nonsense and just used as cover for a program of government in imposing another tax while strutting the world stage and flashing their ecological credentials.

Australians may well use a slightly higher level of petrol - we're one mighty big and spread out country - but we nowhere near produce the massive infusion of pollution into the atmosphere that your cited countries and a few others do - though with the rising costs of power, more are burning wood for heat in winter....

Welcome to Australia the pariah state thanks to Tony Abbott and his sycophants   ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Welcome to Australia the pariah state thanks to Tony Abbott and his sycophants   ;D

To be fair, I think that process goes back a long way now (*bites - at least as far as the advent of the communist working women here*   ;D) with successive governments of losers - ToJo are just making the same old mess of it.. business as usual.


*** for many years I've argued that 'feminism' (LMAO) is nothing but an agglomeration of theoretical ideas formulated by little girlies with zero world experience.. I mean, fair crack of the whip - 'culture of rape' .. you SEE and HEAR of rapes occurring every day as a social control measure for women, who, in the main, are the ones who promote in their daughters the idea that they'll be raped?  - of course not.

So it is perfectly within the same theoretical parameters to consider that women who work are indeed communists or at the very least communist useful fools, based on the idea that they are the tools of international communism, which demands a form of equality that permits the unconstrained sway of the elite - as usual... hence the advocacy of elitism for women fits the bill pretty well...as a theory.....

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Burning long dead plants and animals for a source of energy is the way of the future  ;D

As it always be in some degree. Just because the lefties are immature and jump up and down, doesn't mean we have to follow them to shut them up. They can get f'ed and we will transition to another energy when and if we feel like it, not because you cry about it and not because of some BS pseudo science trying to force us in a certain way. Mother nature exposes you lot of liars.

The future tariffs imposed by Europe, Asia and the USA will focus the public's mind on whats important here.
Abbotts short term political game playing will come back to bite this country and restarting the carbon pricing regime will be much more expensive than the one Abbott is going to scrap.
Whether you agree with the effects of carbon pollution or not the rest of the world is going to adopt carbon pricing and those that dont will be hit with massive tariffs...thanks Tony you idiot

While I believe that Global Warming is an undeniable fact I have no opinion on whether humanity is a causative factor. It would seem a reasonable supposition but not being knowledgeable enough I can't say either way.
What I do believe however is that any attempt, especially by us, to stop or slow GW is utterly futile, we're a minor player and any successes will be limited at best, and counter-productive to our society. We should instead be focusing our resources and efforts on preparing for the inevitable results of that Warming, the rising oceans and the wild weather events etc, anything else is a waste of time.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Burning long dead plants and animals for a source of energy is the way of the future  ;D

Yes looking back to our Dinosaur age to propel us into the future shows the ape brain really hasn't acquired a greater thinking ability.

No no, Mr Abbott wants to pay us all back by providing coal miners with the roads and infrastructure of the 21st century.

And thank heavens for that.

If you look at the third graph. Melbourne and Sydney are red dots. Most of the south east coast is blue, but the tropical north with no industry, no population shows yellow banding.

I wonder what causes the warming there? It can't be AGW.

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

Which idiot thought we should have a carbon tax.

http://www.thefifthestate.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/john-howard-images.jpg


“Australia brings formidable assets to this challenge... We have mobilised these assets before and will do so again to help build a new global climate change framework and to facilitate Australia's transition to lower carbon emissions. No great challenge has ever yielded to fear or guilt. Nor will this one. Human ingenuity, directed towards clean technology and wise institutional design, remain our best weapon.” From John Howard's launch of his policy for an emissions trading scheme" – John Howard 2007, on the launch of his policy for an emissions trading scheme

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:17am: Which idiot thought we should have a carbon tax. http://www.thefifthestate.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/john-howard-images.jpg “Australia brings formidable assets to this challenge... We have mobilised these assets before and will do so again to help build a new global climate change framework and to facilitate Australia's transition to lower carbon emissions. No great challenge has ever yielded to fear or guilt. Nor will this one. Human ingenuity, directed towards clean technology and wise institutional design, remain our best weapon.” From John Howard's launch of his policy for an emissions trading scheme" – John Howard 2007, on the launch of his policy for an emissions trading scheme

Actually he thought we shouldn't have one but progressive Malcolm Turnbull got in his ear about an ETS, good old ex investment banker, and due to political circumstances and global propaganda Howard caved.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:17am: Which idiot thought we should have a carbon tax. http://www.thefifthestate.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/john-howard-images.jpg “Australia brings formidable assets to this challenge... We have mobilised these assets before and will do so again to help build a new global climate change framework and to facilitate Australia's transition to lower carbon emissions. No great challenge has ever yielded to fear or guilt. Nor will this one. Human ingenuity, directed towards clean technology and wise institutional design, remain our best weapon.” From John Howard's launch of his policy for an emissions trading scheme" – John Howard 2007, on the launch of his policy for an emissions trading scheme

Howard never proposed a Carbon Tax nor indeed did Rudd.
Gillard Government sprung that on everybody.

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:56am: Burning long dead plants and animals for a source of energy is the way of the future  ;D Yes looking back to our Dinosaur age to propel us into the future shows the ape brain really hasn't acquired a greater thinking ability.

Actually the industry is sourcing Australia's energy needs into the 21st century from varied sources - of which traditional coal and gas sourcing remain a major player and rightly so.

The process of extraction has improved by 120% in regards ro energy source lost from point to delivery valve.
The new process of fracking onshore for gas has added reserves well into the next 50 years of domestic consumption need satisfaction.

Also we are now able to dive deeper in the ocean that ever before.
We have increased the dive and drill ability in the last decade by a further half mile!

The industry is also trying a process now where we can crack the surface of the earth underwater and place a pipeline running along this crack which will reduce all seepage.
Given we are diving at such levels now we need to be able to handle potential mishaps.

Then of course there are geo thermal delivery sourcing and other bio sourcing.

The industry - as usual - is light years ahead of Governments.

That carbon tax, as i expected, was a right royal waste of time.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

That carbon tax, as i expected, was a right royal waste of time.

Fall in greenhouse gas emissions biggest in 24 years


June 13, 2014
Peter Hannam


https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/s851x315/10341602_703354743033747_1112936159160159552_n.png



Australia posted its biggest annual reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in 24 years of records in 2013 as the carbon tax helped drive a large drop in pollution from the electricity sector.

The government’s climate policies have been in the spotlight as Prime Minister Tony Abbott headed to Washington this week, soon after President Barack Obama introduced the most ambitious emissions cuts in US history – forcing power plants to slash 2005-level emissions 30 per cent by 2030.

Mr Abbott, forced to defend the government’s alternative policy to a carbon tax based on paying polluters to curb emissions, said he would avoid climate action that would “clobber the economy”.

But Greens leader Christine Milne said: “The price on pollution is working and it is time Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt stopped lying to Australia and the world"

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/fall-in-greenhouse-gas-emissions-biggest-in-24-years-20140613-zs7be.html#ixzz36fnMQBnZ

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

No warming in almost two decades. Must be hard pushing the phony global warming lie when the evidence doesn't back up the alarmists, lol!!!

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

You're STILL trying to flog THAT old furphy ? If you were engaging in social media this past weekend, you might have found an October 13, 2012 article suggesting that global warming stopped 16 years ago. David Rose of the Daily Mail wrote it. The article says the UK Met Office sent out a news release saying its data showed that global warming has stopped and that there is no “discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.” It now comes to light that this information is not true. The UK Met Office did not release a statement suggesting that “global warming stopped 16 years ago.” The UK Met Office, in fact, disavows any association with Mr. Rose and his article and says it was never asked any questions regarding the actual science of climate change and global warming by Mr. Rose more ... http://earthsky.org/earth/uk-met-office-responds-global-warming-did-not-stop-16-years-ago

Try consulting a few MORE scientific agencies

- and a few LESS tabloid bloggers

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

Fall in greenhouse gas emissions biggest in 24 years

Based on declining manufacturing - way to go.

lee wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 6:26pm: Fall in greenhouse gas emissions biggest in 24 years Based on declining manufacturing - way to go.

Plus 8% tax added on to the power bill!

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

While I believe that Global Warming is an undeniable fact I have no opinion on whether humanity is a causative factor. It would seem a reasonable supposition but not being knowledgeable enough I can't say either way. What I do believe however is that any attempt, especially by us, to stop or slow GW is utterly futile, we're a minor player and any successes will be limited at best, and counter-productive to our society. We should instead be focusing our resources and efforts on preparing for the inevitable results of that Warming, the rising oceans and the wild weather events etc, anything else is a waste of time.

How do we learn to cope with the loss of productive land resulting in a planet that can not feed a few billion of the planets population ?

Dnarever wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 2:56pm: While I believe that Global Warming is an undeniable fact I have no opinion on whether humanity is a causative factor. It would seem a reasonable supposition but not being knowledgeable enough I can't say either way. What I do believe however is that any attempt, especially by us, to stop or slow GW is utterly futile, we're a minor player and any successes will be limited at best, and counter-productive to our society. We should instead be focusing our resources and efforts on preparing for the inevitable results of that Warming, the rising oceans and the wild weather events etc, anything else is a waste of time. How do we learn to cope with the loss of productive land resulting in a planet that can not feed a few billion of the planets population ?

We give the plants food, but lefties want to starve the plants of co2.

In my view a fixed carbon price is by far the best option.

Much superior to a trading scheme with its associated faults and the direct action plan is just a silly joke.

So as Tony once said if you want to put a price on carbon why not a tax, though a fixed price is not really a tax in the way that Abbott meant.

I can't believe that there are stupid people out there that actually believe that they will get some sort of savings or job creation from the repeal of the carbon tax.
You will not save one cent and unemployment will continue to raise.
Before one of you FTARDS try telling my the job figures have improved in the last quarter have a good look at how many million  labour hours ( that s paid hours of work for you dullards that don't understand the term) have been lost in that time.

Sorry can't post much more, I'm at the GB Grand Prix at Silverstone.

What was it you guys wanted to curb?
Something about carbon emissions wasn't it??

Hahahahaha.

Got good seats mind you, I'll post a photo later.

Anyway, yeah I'm all for burning less fuel....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

Sorry can't post much more, I'm at the GB Grand Prix at Silverstone. What was it you guys wanted to curb? Something about carbon emissions wasn't it?? Hahahahaha. Got good seats mind you, I'll post a photo later. Anyway, yeah I'm all for burning less fuel....

Half ya luck mate I've been letting off fireworks and had a day at the beer can regatta I know it's not in the same league but a hell of a lot fun none the least.
Enjoy the race

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

Sorry can't post much more, I'm at the GB Grand Prix at Silverstone. What was it you guys wanted to curb? Something about carbon emissions wasn't it?? Hahahahaha. Got good seats mind you, I'll post a photo later. Anyway, yeah I'm all for burning less fuel....

Hahahahaha.

lee wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:16pm:

If you look at the third graph. Melbourne and Sydney are red dots. Most of the south east coast is blue, but the tropical north with no industry, no population shows yellow banding. I wonder what causes the warming there? It can't be AGW.

Urban heat island effect for the major cities.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 5:31pm: That carbon tax, as i expected, was a right royal waste of time. Fall in greenhouse gas emissions biggest in 24 years June 13, 2014 Peter Hannam https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/s851x315/10341602_703354743033747_1112936159160159552_n.png Australia posted its biggest annual reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in 24 years of records in 2013 as the carbon tax helped drive a large drop in pollution from the electricity sector. The government’s climate policies have been in the spotlight as Prime Minister Tony Abbott headed to Washington this week, soon after President Barack Obama introduced the most ambitious emissions cuts in US history – forcing power plants to slash 2005-level emissions 30 per cent by 2030. Mr Abbott, forced to defend the government’s alternative policy to a carbon tax based on paying polluters to curb emissions, said he would avoid climate action that would “clobber the economy”. But Greens leader Christine Milne said: “The price on pollution is working and it is time Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt stopped lying to Australia and the world" http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/fall-in-greenhouse-gas-emissions-biggest-in-24-years-20140613-zs7be.html#ixzz36fnMQBnZ

So what are you trying to say....  our 1.5% contribution is now ??????
yet global emissions are still rising with no corresponding rise in temperature?