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Title: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:11am

Following on from the 2nd warmest April on record.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:19am

Apparently statistics were invented because graphology can be misleading.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:24am

Warmest May ever fraudulently manipulated to be hotter than raw.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:18pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:24am:

Warmest May ever fraudulently manipulated to be hotter than raw.

ooh, fraud ay!??! ::)

-let's all vote for copper internet because the mining giants convinced us libs know best in all situations!!

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Correct, greggerypeccary. Warmest May ever recorded. I don't like to blow my own trumpet, but I've always considered myself quite intuitive, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest there is a point you'd like to make.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Correct, greggerypeccary. I don't like to blow my own trumpet, but I've always considered myself quite intuitive, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest there is a point you'd like to make.

Actually, I'm wondering what point you're trying to make.

What is the point of this thread?

Warmest May ever recorded. OK. So what?

Spit it out man.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Actually, I'm wondering what point you're trying to make.

What is the point of this thread?

Warmest May ever recorded. OK. So what?

Spit it out man.

Just thought I'd remind people that our planet is getting warmer.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:03pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Actually, I'm wondering what point you're trying to make.

What is the point of this thread?

Warmest May ever recorded. OK. So what?

Spit it out man.

Just thought I'd remind people that our planet is getting warmer.

According to records.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Actually, I'm wondering what point you're trying to make.

What is the point of this thread?

Warmest May ever recorded. OK. So what?

Spit it out man.

Just thought I'd remind people that our planet is getting warmer.

According to records.

Are you questioning the records, greggery? What do you know that the scientists are not telling us?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:20pm

You aren't half obsessed by this whole climate thing mate.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:29pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Actually, I'm wondering what point you're trying to make.

What is the point of this thread?

Warmest May ever recorded. OK. So what?

Spit it out man.

Just thought I'd remind people that our planet is getting warmer.

According to records.

Are you questioning the records, greggery?

No.

Not questioning the records.

How long have they been kept again? :-/

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:13pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:20pm:

You aren't half obsessed by this whole climate thing mate.

Kind of like the same way you might be obsessed with a fire alarm or a cancer prognosis.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:56pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Actually, I'm wondering what point you're trying to make.

What is the point of this thread?

Warmest May ever recorded. OK. So what?

Spit it out man.

Just thought I'd remind people that our planet is getting warmer.

Record ice makes the planet warmer. Um ok.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/02/another-antarctic-sea-ice-record-set-but-excuses-abound/

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:25pm

Any idea why Antarctic sea ice is growing, progs?

Can you explain the science behind this phenomenon.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:10pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

Considering you only have records for a little over 100 years, what makes you think that this current rate of warming isn't normal?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

Considering you only have records for a little over 100 years, what makes you think that this current rate of warming isn't normal?

Was this question too difficult, MOTR?

:-/

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:26pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Any idea why Antarctic sea ice is growing, progs?

Can you explain the science behind this phenomenon.

Can you read. A link was provided for you. I cant read it to you, you wouldn't hear me.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

Considering you only have records for a little over 100 years, what makes you think that this current rate of warming isn't normal?

What do you mean by normal, greggery? Are you suggesting the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation, or are you suggesting the planet has experienced similar warming trends in the past, and therefore we have nothing to worry about?

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

Quote:

Was this question too difficult, MOTR?

The difficulty, greggery, comes down to what you mean by normal.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:16am

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:26pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Any idea why Antarctic sea ice is growing, progs?

Can you explain the science behind this phenomenon.

Can you read. A link was provided for you. I cant read it to you, you wouldn't hear me.

I guess that means you accept Frank Lasner's scientific explanation, which essentially seems to be, it's getting colder around the ice forming area of Antarctica (73S-63S 220W-50E) so therefore the ice is growing.

Is that a fair representation of how you would explain the growth in Antarctic sea ice?

Perhaps you might like to extrapolate on this idea in relation to total sea ice.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

That's because we don't have enough official, accurate records.

You've admitted that yourself.

When asked how long we've had records, you said: "Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology."

You're relying on one method of measuring the temperature since 1880, and a different method for everything before that date (approximately 4.5 billion years).

From two completely different methods of measuring temperature, and a comparison between 134 years and 4.5 billion years, you've determined that it's not possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation".

You're kidding, right?

And if you're not kidding, how do you honestly expect to be taken seriously?

Seriously?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

Personally, I'd place the chance of the current warming being a natural variation somewhere in the vicinity of less than 1%.

So therefore my answer to your question is yes, but I'm virtually certain it isn't.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by Doctor Jolly on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

What is natural variation? Is that something god does ?

Any variation has a cause, a reason why it is different from previous recordings. Anyone claiming a variation needs to come up with a reason why it is varying. If not co2 levels, then what ?

"Natural variation" is a lazy excuse, because it implies the person doesnt need to justify it.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:05am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

MOTR's term, not mine: ask him what he means by "natural variation".

Good luck getting a straight answer though.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:18am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

For over 4.5 billion years there are no records, yet you've come up with a figure.

How, exactly?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:21am

I think you'll find, greggery, I've answered your unambiguous questions in a very straight forward manner.

In the context of this debate "natural variability" relates to temperature changes caused by non-anthropogenic factors.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:00am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

How did you come up with "less than 1%"?

Is it a guess?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:20am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

How did you come up with "less than 1%"?

Is it a guess?

My starting point is the latest report from the IPCC.

Quote:

“there is consistent evidence from observations of a net energy uptake of the earth system due to an imbalance in the energy budget.”

“It is virtually certain that this is caused by human activities, primarily by the increase in CO2 concentrations. There is very high confidence that natural forcing contributes only a small fraction to this imbalance.”

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:31am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

How did you come up with "less than 1%"?

Is it a guess?

My starting point is the latest report from the IPCC.

Quote:

The same report that admits there is strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by lee on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:51am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

The graph here shows a similar slope 1910 1940, to that current. Slope is rate of change right?

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by MOTR on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 12:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

How did you come up with "less than 1%"?

Is it a guess?

My starting point is the latest report from the IPCC.

Quote:

The same report that admits there is strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing?

Quote:

Changes in solar radiation, known as solar forcing, have had only a very small effect on climate change, a member of the UN’s top panel of climate scientists said today.

The comment, made by a member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), followed the leak of a draft IPCC report late last year, which included comments on the effect of solar forcing on climate change.

At the time of the leak, the climate change skeptics blog, Watts Up With That drew attention to what it described as a “game-changing admission of enhanced solar forcing” but co-chair of the IPCC’s Working Group 1, Professor Thomas Stocker said that solar forcing actually did not play a major role.

“As the scientific publications indicate, the assessment is not yet completed. We are looking at an extremely small effect here, that’s what one can say from the publications but I should stress the experts are still performing their assessment,” he said a press conference in Hobart today.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:43am

lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

The graph here shows a similar slope 1910 1940, to that current. Slope is rate of change right?

** Statistics were invented because graphology is misinterpreted!

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:22pm

Well I said it will be looked at. This is just the beginning now that people know what to look for. Thank Steve Goddard

Wow, look at those BOM adjustments – trends up by two degrees C!

The mystery of Australian temperature adjustments

Ken Stewart has been checking the Australian BOM official ACORN minima data against the raw data. This week he highlights the six very strange cases of Brisbane Airport, Amberley RAAF, Dubbo, Rutherglen, Rabbit Flat, and Carnarvon. In all these places the adjustments change the trend by more than 2 whole degrees C. It’s a kind of hyper-homogenization.

Thermometers are supposed to be accurate to a tenth of a degree. Australian average trends are sometimes calculated to one hundredth of a degree. What then do we make of adjustments that change the trends by a whopping 2 degrees, and decades after the data came in? The only thing we know for sure about Australian temperatures is that we need an independent audit. Why is it left to volunteers to check? Surely the Greens want good data too?

Some of these stations are isolated outposts, so theoretically they are the heavyweights on Australian area-weighted averages. The map scales can be a bit deceptive. In outback Australia the nearest neighbours can all be 500 km away (300 miles). Some dots on the map are not so much a town as a motel and a gas station. Sometimes one lonely thermometer gets the job of estimating temperatures across thousands of square kilometers. This applies to Rabbit Flat, and we’ll discuss that in a different post.

We’ve talked about the extraordinary case of Rutherglen before, where a cooling trend across a whole region becomes a homogenized warming one. And both I and Jennifer Marohasy have discussed the extreme oddness of Amberley.

But Carnarvon provides new material for playing Guess-why-this-got-homogenized? In the case of Carnarvon (see below) the raw trend shows an ever so slight warming over the last century, something like 0.2C, but the all-new adjusted “high-quality” ACORN trend is rising instead at around 2.2C per century.You might think Carnarvon was the aberrant outlier — a station that was different to the rest of the region so it’s been adjusted to fit. Except the original raw Carnarvon trend was virtually the same as the raw average of all its nearest neighbours (bar one). So all those must be flawed too? Well, the BOM didn’t think so, because the adjusted trends of neighbouring towns are only warming at a modest half a degree a century, while Carnarvon is ripping along at more than 2 degrees.

I’ve spoken to Ken Stewart, and he’s just baffled about all six stations. Perhaps there is a reason for these drastic adjustments. But without detailed and credible answers, how does a rational person have confidence in the current almighty ACORN set? There are too many mysteries (like, say, the hottest-ever day being in Albany, an obvious error that still hasn’t been detected by their “expert” peer review).

Quote:

Ken Stewart’s conclusion: -

The Acorn adjustment algorithm creates homogenised data by comparing with up to 10 neighbouring sites. I have shown that the adjustments have made the Acorn trends greater than, not only the raw data trends for each site, not only the raw data trends of the closest neighbours in the Acorn dataset, but in every case but one, greater even than the trends of Acorn homogenised data from the same neighbouring locations. The adjustments created thus appear to be spurious and the algorithm faulty.

more
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/07/wow-look-at-those-bom-adjustments-trends-up-by-two-degrees-c/

The warming trend is all bogas people. A fraud on humanity

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by lee on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 11:47am

Why are airports with their big UHI effects apart of the climate network anyway? They are only good for flight information.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 12:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

Don't be a spoil-sport, Greg.

You know damn well the International Socialists are hoping to use the trumped-up nonsense about man-made Global Warming as a means of putting the brakes on Western Capitalist industry and wealth-creation in order to help the Third World catch up with us.

Title: Re: Warmest May ever recorded.
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 12:50pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 12:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

oooooooooooooh, paranoia is catching up with the globalist foreign investor who rides the crested wave of preferential free trade ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

War is conducted in the economic sphere: lookout, oh keep your head down ::) ::) ::) ::)

:D :D