Palmer about to respond to the budget with Al Gore in tow. WTF?

-PUP will vote with the government to abolish carbon tax
-PUP will vote against abolition of the climate authority
-PUP will not support any changes to the RET before the next election
-PUP will vote against abolition of the clean energy finance corporation

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D

Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.

It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.

That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.

Pity he does not rate the national interest higher.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D

hes a blackmailer.....hes on a POWER trip.....does anyone trust a word he says...probably Bill. does.. ::) ::).. interesting times.. not sure any of them have the country at heart...it seems to me to be all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.

we know.. and if you dont I feel sorry for you..


he is making it up as he goes along....

he is a spiteful nasty man who sues everyone at the drop of a hat...

he cant do that in politics.. so  he thinks he will win friends by doing it this way....I think most people will see him for what he really is..

Wedges Abbott, which might concentrate the political debate, but will likely just extend corporate subsidy without achieving a meaningful outcome.

This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax.

Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own.

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge. we know.. and if you dont I feel sorry for you.. he is making it up as he goes along.... he is a spiteful nasty man who sues everyone at the drop of a hat... he cant do that in politics.. so  he thinks he will win friends by doing it this way....I think most people will see him for what he really is..

Let's see how it affects his polling.

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own.

Risky. Not sure people are willing to accept his other policies just to kill the carbon tax

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own.

Nice thought, but there is zero chance it will happen as has been discussed on other Threads.

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own.

Are you suggesting he calls Palmers bluff on a DD, or are you suggesting he splits the legislation and holds onto the next election?

MOTR wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:24pm: This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own. Are you suggesting he calls Palmers bluff on a DD, or are you suggesting he splits the legislation and holds onto the next election?

He should make it an agonizing long time until the next election, reminding people of all the other parties position on the carbon tax and only a big victory by the liberals will suffice. It will be a sweet victory.

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:28pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:24pm: This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own. Are you suggesting he calls Palmers bluff on a DD, or are you suggesting he splits the legislation and holds onto the next election? He should make it an agonizing long time until the next election, reminding people of all the other parties position on the carbon tax and only a big victory by the liberals will suffice. It will be a sweet victory.

Keep the carbon tax till the next election?

And Clive reveals the catch - no ETS until our trading partners do it  ::)

What a cop-out. One wonders why Al Gore is standing shoulder to shoulder with Palmer on this.

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D hes a blackmailer.....hes on a POWER trip.....does anyone trust a word he says...probably Bill. does.. ::) ::).. interesting times.. not sure any of them have the country at heart...it seems to me to be all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

He is a politician?

Palmer is a frantic child. He is desperate for Parliament to throw him a lifeline and stop the Chinese taking everything has got! A process already well under way!

Each time the liberal and nationals say no to keeping the Chinese away from him he throws stomps his feet at at them.

Gets his photo in today's paper and is gone tomorrow. Only Palmer thinks he's a somebody.

Pig Ugly Party Senators hold the balance of power only in their dreams.

They will be permanently sidelined in the Senate.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Pity he does not rate the national interest higher.

You mean like Abbott does  ::) :D

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:24pm: This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own. Nice thought, but there is zero chance it will happen as has been discussed on other Threads.

For those of us who have lost hope, Aussie, and have no idea how Abbott was planning to legislate his climate change policy, can you explain the intricacies of his planned legislation.

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:28pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:24pm: This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own. Are you suggesting he calls Palmers bluff on a DD, or are you suggesting he splits the legislation and holds onto the next election? He should make it an agonizing long time until the next election, reminding people of all the other parties position on the carbon tax and only a big victory by the liberals will suffice. It will be a sweet victory.

Yeah, guess monkey is too gutless for a DD. Yet the longer monkey waits the more people want to keep the Carbon Price.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Pity he does not rate the national interest higher.

He'd be far less repugnant if he actually valued his constituents in his own electorate even a little bit, but as always, it's all about Palmer!

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D

Along the lines of Keating's "We want to do you slowly"?

;)

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

He should make it an agonizing long time until the next election, reminding people of all the other parties position on the carbon tax and only a big victory by the liberals will suffice. It will be a sweet victory.

Funny, but the political judgment of some on the other side of politics exactly the same - pass everything and have the Mad Monk voted out in a landslide and keep the LNP in the wilderness for a decade  :-?.

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:28pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:24pm: This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own. Are you suggesting he calls Palmers bluff on a DD, or are you suggesting he splits the legislation and holds onto the next election? He should make it an agonizing long time until the next election, reminding people of all the other parties position on the carbon tax and only a big victory by the liberals will suffice. It will be a sweet victory.

If Australia elects Abbott to power on his polices and gives him the senate, they deserve what they get.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

And Clive reveals the catch - no ETS until our trading partners do it  ::) What a cop-out. One wonders why Al Gore is standing shoulder to shoulder with Palmer on this.

ETS commences 1st July 2015. Already past the House and past the Senate.

Gore is not standing shoulder to shoulder with Palmer, he is taking his money to attend a function with him.

Gore appearances now comes part of his specials package for appearance.

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:40pm:

Palmer is a frantic child. He is desperate for Parliament to throw him a lifeline and stop the Chinese taking everything has got! A process already well under way! Each time the liberal and nationals say no to keeping the Chinese away from him he throws stomps his feet at at them. Gets his photo in today's paper and is gone tomorrow. Only Palmer thinks he's a somebody. Pig Ugly Party Senators hold the balance of power only in their dreams. They will be permanently sidelined in the Senate.

They "share" the balance of power with the ALP and Greens

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:33pm: MOTR wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:28pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:24pm: This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own. Are you suggesting he calls Palmers bluff on a DD, or are you suggesting he splits the legislation and holds onto the next election? He should make it an agonizing long time until the next election, reminding people of all the other parties position on the carbon tax and only a big victory by the liberals will suffice. It will be a sweet victory. If Australia elects Abbott to power on his polices and gives him the senate, they deserve what they get.

Maybe they're going to be happy with that if the majority elect him. Isn't that the way it usually works? Duh!  ::)

Guaranteed there will be something in it for Clive.

Clive is Clive's primary motivation for doing anything.

MOTR wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:26pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:24pm: This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own. Nice thought, but there is zero chance it will happen as has been discussed on other Threads. For those of us who have lost hope, Aussie, and have no idea how Abbott was planning to legislate his climate change policy, can you explain the intricacies of his planned legislation.

I have no idea, and neither does Abbott.  No doubt Peta will whisper sweet nothings in his ear overnight and he'll tell us tomorrow what her response is to Palmer's announcement.

MOTR wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

For those of us who have lost hope, Aussie, and have no idea how Abbott was planning to legislate his climate change policy, can you explain the intricacies of his planned legislation.

'They' will meet down the Australia Club, shake hands, have a very expensive meal on some one's tax payer funded expense account, have drinks (ditto), and divvy up the corporate welfare (Direct Action), agree to pay some dodgy invoices into a LNP illegal slush fund, have drinks (ditto), have cigars (ditto), shake hands, and go home with a Big Woodie knowing that if they can shag Australia then they are virile enough to get laid tonight as well.

Easy, LNP politics in a nut shell.

Oppps (again  :-[)

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:40pm: Palmer is a frantic child. He is desperate for Parliament to throw him a lifeline and stop the Chinese taking everything has got! A process already well under way! Each time the liberal and nationals say no to keeping the Chinese away from him he throws stomps his feet at at them. Gets his photo in today's paper and is gone tomorrow. Only Palmer thinks he's a somebody. Pig Ugly Party Senators hold the balance of power only in their dreams. They will be permanently sidelined in the Senate. They "share" the balance of power with the ALP and Greens

Incorrect. In limited voting block PUP holds the three needed votes. The odds of them ever being needed are highly unlikely!

Liberal/National Party               33
Australian Labor Party              25
Australian Greens                    10
Palmer United Party                   3
Democratic Labour Party            1
Nick Xenophon ..                       1
Liberal Democratic Party            1
Family First .                             1
Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party .. 1

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:58pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:41pm: For those of us who have lost hope, Aussie, and have no idea how Abbott was planning to legislate his climate change policy, can you explain the intricacies of his planned legislation. 'They' will meet down the Australia Club, shake hands, have a very expensive meal on some one's tax payer funded expense account, have drinks (ditto), and divvy up the corporate welfare (Direct Action), agree to pay some dodgy invoices into a LNP illegal slush fund, have drinks (ditto), have cigars (ditto), shake hands, and go home with a Big Woodie knowing that if they can shag Australia then they are virile enough to get laid tonight as well. Easy, LNP politics in a nut shell.

Spot On! Love it

Repeat

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.  Actually it is all ALP Policy... remove carbon tax and adopt an ETS.  It is also Malcolm policy. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.  they are against it... That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.  Nope.  abbott was right, ordinarily a tax is easier to remove.  However Clive's policy is not as simple as it's been portrayed.  The detail being he wants it to be set at $0 until all other major "polluters" have such a scheme running themselves.

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.  Actually it is all ALP Policy... remove carbon tax and adopt an ETS.  It is also Malcolm policy. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.  they are against it... That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.  Nope.  abbott was right, ordinarily a tax is easier to remove.  However Clive's policy is not as simple as it's been portrayed.  The detail being he wants it to be set at $0 until all other major "polluters" have such a scheme running themselves.

So, where does Abbott go from here.  It was his Policy taken to the election, that there will be Direct Action to replace the Carbon Tax.  Palmer has said 'nah' to that.

Wedged beautifully.  Over to you Mr Abbott.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D

Only revenge Clive is taking is farting when the doors shut.

He and PUP are nobodies, the media desperate to win back some attention off the social media outlets promote the bullshit he and PUP are be all end all, when in fact just a bad joke, the wind will soon blow away. 

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.  Actually it is all ALP Policy... remove carbon tax and adopt an ETS.  It is also Malcolm policy. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.  they are against it... That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.  Nope.  abbott was right, ordinarily a tax is easier to remove.  However Clive's policy is not as simple as it's been portrayed.  The detail being he wants it to be set at $0 until all other major "polluters" have such a scheme running themselves. So, where does Abbott go from here.  It was his Policy taken to the election, that there will be Direct Action to replace the Carbon Tax.  Palmer has said 'nah' to that. Wedged beautifully.  Over to you Mr Abbott.

It's not a wedge...  it's deliberate obstruction.  Against the majority will of the people.
Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do?

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D

Only revenge Clive is taking is farting when the doors shut.

He and PUP are nobodies, the media desperate to win back some attention off the social media outlets promote the bullshit he and PUP are be all end all, when in fact just a bad joke, the wind will soon blow away. 

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

This is what Abbott should do. If he holds strong and puts his repeal in the senate, leaving the policy unmodified and it gets blocked again, he should go all the way to the next election and make it a pure and simple election on the carbon tax. Live by the sword and get his mandate and numbers needed to do it on his own.

You obviously don't pay attention to the latest opinion polls.  People have had a taste of the carbon tax, they no longer seem to care as much as the nutties did.

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:41pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.  Actually it is all ALP Policy... remove carbon tax and adopt an ETS.  It is also Malcolm policy. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.  they are against it... That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.  Nope.  abbott was right, ordinarily a tax is easier to remove.  However Clive's policy is not as simple as it's been portrayed.  The detail being he wants it to be set at $0 until all other major "polluters" have such a scheme running themselves. So, where does Abbott go from here.  It was his Policy taken to the election, that there will be Direct Action to replace the Carbon Tax.  Palmer has said 'nah' to that. Wedged beautifully.  Over to you Mr Abbott. It's not a wedge...  it's deliberate obstruction.  Against the majority will of the people. Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do?

The majority of people did not elect a liberal majority in both houses.  This is how the cards have been dealt and pup has every right to bring forth their policies for debate.  Just like the senate has every right to review lower house legislation in the interest of their represented states.  I dunno about ur state, but I don't wish to see victoria pay direct action tax for other states with higher carbon intensive industries.

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Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do?

Only days before the 1st July, reality finally hits home.  I'll tell you what we think we are Grendel.  The Party which has yours by the gonads.  (It's like that bloke in the Dentist's chair with the Dentist hovering over him with the drill in  hand.  Bloke grabs the Dentist by the balls, and says....'We won't hurt each other, will we?) 

If Labor and Greens stand against Abbott (and it seems they generally do) you will need to come cap in hand to us.

Eat it.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

The majority of people did not elect a liberal majority in both houses.  This is how the cards have been dealt and pup has every right to bring forth their policies for debate.  Just like the senate has every right to review lower house legislation in the interest of their represented states.  I dunno about ur state, but I don't wish to see victoria pay direct action tax for other states with higher carbon intensive industries.

+1  ;).

And the Mad Monk's choice is to smile as he takes it in the butt from Clive or go back to the People in a DD.

Or the Mad Monk can 'return service' and come up with some other machination with the other parties. ;) :).

May you live in interesting times.  :)

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:53pm: The majority of people did not elect a liberal majority in both houses.  This is how the cards have been dealt and pup has every right to bring forth their policies for debate.  Just like the senate has every right to review lower house legislation in the interest of their represented states.  I dunno about ur state, but I don't wish to see victoria pay direct action tax for other states with higher carbon intensive industries. +1  ;). And the Mad Monk's choice is to smile as he takes it in the butt from Clive or go back to the People in a DD. Or the Mad Monk can 'return service' and come up with some other machination with the other parties. ;) :). May you live in interesting times.  :)

We live in a time where the stalemate on key policies in the senate has every chance of resulting in an election next year.  The key for all parties is to remind Australians constantly about how tony has overstepped his mandates, and his clear lying on just about everything.

Ok, someone explain: how in the hell does a $0 ETS WORK?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

The key for all parties is to remind Australians constantly about how tony has overstepped his mandates, and his clear lying on just about everything.

Some on this forum say he has no mandates.  Without checking cos the search function here sux I thought you might be one of them. 

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The key for all parties is to remind Australians constantly about how tony has overstepped his mandates, and his clear lying on just about everything.

That is correct.  Abbott went on and on and on every day for three years about what he very effectively described as a Gillard lie on a single issue.....yet he seems to think he can lie on multiple issues and just bluff his way through as though no-one will notice.

Nah.

Datalife wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 8:18pm: The key for all parties is to remind Australians constantly about how tony has overstepped his mandates, and his clear lying on just about everything. Some on this forum say he has no mandates.  Without checking cos the search function here sux I thought you might be one of them.

That's what you choose to play with?  Ok mr. "I think I understand mandates", tell me: did tony have a mandate to deregulate university fees, introduce a co payment for gp visits and make eligibility changes to the disability pension, and change payment increases on aged pensions?  What about the newstart changes?  Under 30 unemployment benefit changes?  Abbots point?
For a guy who believes so much in mandates, tony sure as hell forgot to obtain them for his true political agenda.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:58pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:41pm: For those of us who have lost hope, Aussie, and have no idea how Abbott was planning to legislate his climate change policy, can you explain the intricacies of his planned legislation. 'They' will meet down the Australia Club, shake hands, have a very expensive meal on some one's tax payer funded expense account, have drinks (ditto), and divvy up the corporate welfare (Direct Action), agree to pay some dodgy invoices into a LNP illegal slush fund, have drinks (ditto), have cigars (ditto), shake hands, and go home with a Big Woodie knowing that if they can shag Australia then they are virile enough to get laid tonight as well. Easy, LNP politics in a nut shell.

Easy. You’ve just summed up a century of politics.

Superb.

Would be interesting to see if labor, greens and PUP can agree on a true floating price ETS. 
Tony would truly be left in the wilderness as his climate change policies would be left in complete tatters, and his support base continues to diminish. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Would be interesting to see if labor, greens and PUP can agree on a true floating price ETS.  Tony would truly be left in the wilderness as his climate change policies would be left in complete tatters, and his support base continues to diminish.

Isn't that why Palmer has said....'Let's start at zero?'

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Ok, someone explain: how in the hell does a $0 ETS WORK?

It goes something like setting the Carbon Tax at $0...  you set the per tonne rate at $0...  as for the rest you'll have to ask Clive, I believe he also thinks the price of electricity is also under federal government control  ::) ::) ::)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:41pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.  Actually it is all ALP Policy... remove carbon tax and adopt an ETS.  It is also Malcolm policy. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.  they are against it... That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.  Nope.  abbott was right, ordinarily a tax is easier to remove.  However Clive's policy is not as simple as it's been portrayed.  The detail being he wants it to be set at $0 until all other major "polluters" have such a scheme running themselves. So, where does Abbott go from here.  It was his Policy taken to the election, that there will be Direct Action to replace the Carbon Tax.  Palmer has said 'nah' to that. Wedged beautifully.  Over to you Mr Abbott. It's not a wedge...  it's deliberate obstruction.  Against the majority will of the people. Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do? The majority of people did not elect a liberal majority in both houses.  This is how the cards have been dealt and pup has every right to bring forth their policies for debate.  Just like the senate has every right to review lower house legislation in the interest of their represented states.  I dunno about ur state, but I don't wish to see victoria pay direct action tax for other states with higher carbon intensive industries.

Doesn't alter the fact about how much vote PUP got compared to any other party though does it or the government.
There is no DA tax... unless you just made on up or they altered their policy...  please provide a link to the info.

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Quote: Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do? Only days before the 1st July, reality finally hits home.  I'll tell you what we think we are Grendel.  The Party which has yours by the gonads.  (It's like that bloke in the Dentist's chair with the Dentist hovering over him with the drill in  hand.  Bloke grabs the Dentist by the balls, and says....'We won't hurt each other, will we?)  If Labor and Greens stand against Abbott (and it seems they generally do) you will need to come cap in hand to us. Eat it.

Does Clive know?

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 8:19pm: Ok, someone explain: how in the hell does a $0 ETS WORK? It goes something like setting the Carbon Tax at $0...  you set the per tonne rate at $0...  as for the rest you'll have to ask Clive, I believe he also thinks the price of electricity is also under federal government control  ::) ::) ::)

Why not Greg Hunt explain?

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:50pm: DaS Energy wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:40pm: Palmer is a frantic child. He is desperate for Parliament to throw him a lifeline and stop the Chinese taking everything has got! A process already well under way! Each time the liberal and nationals say no to keeping the Chinese away from him he throws stomps his feet at at them. Gets his photo in today's paper and is gone tomorrow. Only Palmer thinks he's a somebody. Pig Ugly Party Senators hold the balance of power only in their dreams. They will be permanently sidelined in the Senate. They "share" the balance of power with the ALP and Greens Incorrect. In limited voting block PUP holds the three needed votes. The odds of them ever being needed are highly unlikely! Liberal/National Party               33 Australian Labor Party              25 Australian Greens                    10 Palmer United Party                   3 Democratic Labour Party            1 Nick Xenophon ..                       1 Liberal Democratic Party            1 Family First .                             1 Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party .. 1

If and only if the Greens and ALP oppose.

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

\ Doesn't alter the fact about how much vote PUP got compared to any other party though does it or the government. There is no DA tax... unless you just made on up or they altered their policy...  please provide a link to the info.

What you are missing is it isn't PUP holding the government to ransom, it is the ALP, Greens and PUP, who together got more votes in the senate.

They need the others to do this. Clive is actually conceding more than they are.

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.

How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS?

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge. How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS?

that's tony's problem: he's the one intent on getting rid of the carbon tax.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge. How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS? that's tony's problem: he's the one intent on getting rid of the carbon tax.

Stupid comment groggy.

PUP will block the tax but not the abolition of the authority.

Abbott wants to get rid of both.

Where does PUP suppose the funding will come from?

::)f ::)f ::)s

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:21pm:

sir alevine wrote Today at 1:16pm: King FriYAY II wrote Today at 1:15pm: Aussie wrote Yesterday at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote Yesterday at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can.  Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge. How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS? that's tony's problem: he's the one intent on getting rid of the carbon tax. Stupid comment groggy. PUP will block the tax but not the abolition of the authority. Abbott wants to get rid of both. Where does PUP suppose the funding will come from? f f s

I suppose the same place that the compensation for the carbon tax comes from. ;D  Like I said, clown boy, it's Tony's problem, he's the one who's dying to open up this can of worms.

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

Doesn't alter the fact about how much vote PUP got compared to any other party though does it or the government.

You guys love to roll this out don't you?
Like it actually means something, but lets just extend your thinking of majority of votes ='s unfettered power.


Quote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2013/results/party-totals/

You'll notice PUP actually got 200K MORE votes than the Nationals & seeing as Liberals rely on National votes to actually win government ( you'll also notice the ALP has 180K more votes than the Liberal).
So what your saying is Labor should form government & Tony should have a coalition with PUP. ;D


Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

There is no DA tax... unless you just made on up or they altered their policy...  please provide a link to the info.

DA is paid straight out of consolidated revenue, Tax $$$
If paying for something with tax $$ is not taxation exactly what is it?
Then again you think a price increase to cover costs by PRivate enterprise is government taxation, so who knows what you're thinking :D

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

It's not a wedge...  it's deliberate obstruction.  Against the majority will of the people. Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do?

HUH  Grendel?   how do you work that out.

PUP is just 3 (or 4) votes.   How is that obstruction?

They have every right to vote they way the want according to the constitution!  Who the hell are you to suggest they don't?????

Cliff48 wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 3:17pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:47pm: It's not a wedge...  it's deliberate obstruction.  Against the majority will of the people. Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do? HUH  Grendel?   how do you work that out. PUP is just 3 (or 4) votes.   How is that obstruction? They have every right to vote they way the want according to the constitution!  Who the hell are you to suggest they don't?????

Yeas.....it was another nadir from Grendel.  I guess he believes that if someone elected on a platform is not part of Government they are obliged to abandon their platform and merge with Government.  Weird, wot?

When will people learn?

Democracy just doesn't work.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Neither Liberal or National have ever wanted to get rid of the Carbon Tax, only its carrying of the Labour name. Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge. How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS? that's tony's problem: he's the one intent on getting rid of the carbon tax.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 26th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:00pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. ;) ;D Neither Liberal or National have ever wanted to get rid of the Carbon Tax, only its carrying of the Labour name. Dunno whether it is as simple as that.  He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out. It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens. That sounds like good policy rather than revenge. How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS? that's tony's problem: he's the one intent on getting rid of the carbon tax.