EXCLUSIVE: GRADUATES of a secret treatment centre for some of Victoria's worst sexual predators are reoffending at alarming rates after their release back into the community.

The Herald Sun can today reveal that almost one in five of the intellectually disabled men released from the facility in Fairfield strikes again after returning to the ­community.

After completing their treatment, the predators went on to commit serious crimes such as sexually assaulting children, loitering in areas where children are present, making obscene phone calls to schools, assault, obtaining child ­pornography and escaping from ­detention.

Despite long histories as sexual predators, the men were treated in a therapeutic facility where they were taken into the community to test their sexual reactions on unsuspecting members of the public.

Today, the government confirmed it had no plans to close the facility or its $6.3m program and stressed that the re-offending rates offenders who did not take part in the program were much worse.

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So the rate of reoffending by this demographic (intellectually disabled offenders) is normally 60%. With the treatment from the facility it is 18%. Yet they are saying this treatment is a bad idea?

Why are we so willing to spend so much time and effort to put these arseholes back on the street?

Sexual abuse of little kids is the worst crime you can commit in my book.

link please.

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Why are we so willing to spend so much time and effort to put these arseholes back on the street? Sexual abuse of little kids is the worst crime you can commit in my book.

Well because it reduced 60% to 18%. As long as society has "timed" sentencing then it is a matter of harm reduction.

ian wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

link please.

http://www.abc.net.au/rampup/articles/2013/11/06/3885317.htm

ian wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

link please.

The figures are in the story, link is in the first post.

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

/url] So the rate of reoffending by this demographic (intellectually disabled offenders) is normally 60%. With the treatment from the facility it is 18%. Yet they are saying this treatment is a bad idea?

You will find that the offenders picked for this treatment would have already been chosen for the fact they were at a lower risk of re offending anyway. With programs like these they do not randomly pick participants so the recidivism figures are meaningless unless every single offender gets access to this program.

I don't believe paedophiles can be cured or even treated. They need to be locked up and kept away from society. Penalties for paedophiles are on average far lower than those for rapists. Why are politicians and the judiciary so frightened of adequately punishing these vermin?

Intellectually disabled or intellectually challenged?  (Derh - sounds like a new generation of politicians to me)....

This is frankly bizarre... and a direct result of government policy in having not very much in the way of institutions and so forth to cater to such things in society- the property was too good to hold on to when a quick buck could be made...

Idiots!

ian wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

You will find that the offenders picked for this treatment would have already been chosen for the fact they were at a lower risk of re offending anyway. With programs like these they do not randomly pick participants so the recidivism figures are meaningless unless every single offender gets access to this program.

Without an assessment of the risk in the first place it is going to be hard to make comparisons, but that does not validate the complaints about the program.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

I don't believe paedophiles can be cured or even treated. They need to be locked up and kept away from society. Penalties for paedophiles are on average far lower than those for rapists. Why are politicians and the judiciary so frightened of adequately punishing these vermin?

Do you mean all paedophiles or do you mean those who have offended? If someone where to admit have those feelings should they be locked up?

As to the efficacy of treatment - it has a modest success rate generally, but a much higher rate with high-risk offenders.


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Meanwhile, the existing research raises tough questions about the relative danger child molesters pose to society. Their likelihood of being convicted for a crime after release is much lower than average for all criminals released from prison, and even for all sex offenders, at least in the short term, as measured by a Bureau of Justice Statistics study and others.

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 12:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 11:19am: I don't believe paedophiles can be cured or even treated. They need to be locked up and kept away from society. Penalties for paedophiles are on average far lower than those for rapists. Why are politicians and the judiciary so frightened of adequately punishing these vermin? Do you mean all paedophiles or do you mean those who have offended? If someone where to admit have those feelings should they be locked up? As to the efficacy of treatment - it has a modest success rate generally, but a much higher rate with high-risk offenders. Quote: Meanwhile, the existing research raises tough questions about the relative danger child molesters pose to society. Their likelihood of being convicted for a crime after release is much lower than average for all criminals released from prison, and even for all sex offenders, at least in the short term, as measured by a Bureau of Justice Statistics study and others.

Clearly, you cannot lock up someone who has not committed a crime. Otherwise, half the world would be in jail for having fantasised about killing their boss or mother-in-law, etc. Get a grip on reality some time soon, eh? ::)

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 10:38am: Why are we so willing to spend so much time and effort to put these arseholes back on the street? Sexual abuse of little kids is the worst crime you can commit in my book. Well because it reduced 60% to 18%. As long as society has "timed" sentencing then it is a matter of harm reduction.

Go tell the 18% how happy you are about it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

Clearly, you cannot lock up someone who has not committed a crime. Otherwise, half the world would be in jail for having fantasised about killing their boss or mother-in-law, etc. Get a grip on reality some time soon, eh? ::)

I had to ask, many have suggested they should be locked up.

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:05pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 10:49am: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 10:38am: Why are we so willing to spend so much time and effort to put these arseholes back on the street? Sexual abuse of little kids is the worst crime you can commit in my book. Well because it reduced 60% to 18%. As long as society has "timed" sentencing then it is a matter of harm reduction. Go tell the 18% how happy you are about it.

Aiming for 100% is impossible. To even get close you need a pervasive police state and assumed guilt.

There will always be victims of crime. Some of them will be repeat offenders. Unless we lock up / execute all criminals on the first offence, this will part of society.

There are ways of course to reduce risk.

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 1:05pm: Kytro wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 10:49am: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 10:38am: Why are we so willing to spend so much time and effort to put these arseholes back on the street? Sexual abuse of little kids is the worst crime you can commit in my book. Well because it reduced 60% to 18%. As long as society has "timed" sentencing then it is a matter of harm reduction. Go tell the 18% how happy you are about it. Aiming for 100% is impossible. To even get close you need a pervasive police state and assumed guilt. There will always be victims of crime. Some of them will be repeat offenders. Unless we lock up / execute all criminals on the first offence, this will part of society. There are ways of course to reduce risk.

A bullet to the head will reduce the risk of repeat offending of child rapists.

What about compulsory chemical castration?

Double post.

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:13pm:

A bullet to the head will reduce the risk of repeat offending of child rapists.

This works for every crime

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

ian wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 11:14am: You will find that the offenders picked for this treatment would have already been chosen for the fact they were at a lower risk of re offending anyway. With programs like these they do not randomly pick participants so the recidivism figures are meaningless unless every single offender gets access to this program. Without an assessment of the risk in the first place it is going to be hard to make comparisons, but that does not validate the complaints about the program.

No it doesnt validate the complaints but it makes the recidivism statistics claimed meaningless. Paedophilia can not be cured, I would be very suspicious about anyone claiming such a high rate of success and I doubt the validity of such a program in the first place. It would have to be a world first of they are having any sucess at all.

[quote author=ian link=1403656463/19#19 date=1403676965]No it doesnt validate the complaints but it makes the recidivism statistics claimed meaningless. Paedophilia can not be cured, I would be very suspicious about anyone claiming such a high rate of success and I doubt the validity of such a program in the first place. It would have to be a world first of they are having any sucess at all.
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No, it can't, but it can be managed (in some cases). There are paedophiles that don't offend.

They do not have a higher risk generally than other sex offenders.

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Why are we so willing to spend so much time and effort to put these arseholes back on the street? Sexual abuse of little kids is the worst crime you can commit in my book.

me too.....we seem to do more for the worst dont we?..

we protect them in jail...we keep secret where they live when they come out...

it all seems pretty hunky dory for them...why would they change???

no fear of jail..protected on the inside and the outside....and in between these co called experts.,. ::) ::) ::)...make a fortune thinking these guys actually want to change... ;D ;D ;D.. pardon my mirth...very angry mirth. >:(


we should do as much protecting our kids...

Stratos wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

What about compulsory chemical castration?

thats been tried I believe...however you do not have to have a sex drive to do awful things to children........thats the problem.... and thats what they fear..its like giving some medication......its ok if they take it.. but you cant make then take it..

maybe they will come up with a implant.. that should certain thoughts go through their minds.. they get an electric shock....... well just saying...

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Stratos wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 1:24pm: What about compulsory chemical castration? thats been tried I believe...however you do not have to have a sex drive to do awful things to children........thats the problem.... and thats what they fear..its like giving some medication......its ok if they take it.. but you cant make then take it.. maybe they will come up with a implant.. that should certain thoughts go through their minds.. they get an electric shock....... well just saying...

If they can detect it, they can probably disrupt it, which would be much mroe effective.

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 4:34pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 10:38am: Why are we so willing to spend so much time and effort to put these arseholes back on the street? Sexual abuse of little kids is the worst crime you can commit in my book. me too.....we seem to do more for the worst dont we?.. we protect them in jail...we keep secret where they live when they come out... it all seems pretty hunky dory for them...why would they change??? no fear of jail..protected on the inside and the outside....and in between these co called experts.,. ::) ::) ::)...make a fortune thinking these guys actually want to change... ;D ;D ;D.. pardon my mirth...very angry mirth. >:( we should do as much protecting our kids...

The problem is most abuse is from close family members and trusted friends, not from being snatched in the street.

Who the hell views prision as an ok time?

What we are talking about is changing actions, not desires.

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

[quote author=ian link=1403656463/19#19 date=1403676965]No it doesnt validate the complaints but it makes the recidivism statistics claimed meaningless. Paedophilia can not be cured, I would be very suspicious about anyone claiming such a high rate of success and I doubt the validity of such a program in the first place. It would have to be a world first of they are having any sucess at all.

No, it can't, but it can be managed (in some cases). There are paedophiles that don't offend.

They do not have a higher risk generally than other sex offenders.
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I would dispute that.

Stratos wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

What about compulsory chemical castration?

Chemical castration does not stop the mind's impulse....... get it right...

What we are discussing here is some 'intellectually challenged' individuals, who have little to no idea that their basic impulses are governed by societal rules (a bit like some Muslims, eh?  As well as a few recent parolees!!)

Life finds a way..... got it?  So the only solution in reality is to place such uncontrolled individuals on Devil's or Manic Island........

You know what?  That raises the Fascist idea of cutting out the 'lesser persons' from any society.  I mean - it makes no real difference when you have the likes of the Untermensch Joe Hockey dictating to the rest how we will run our lives and prosper.... as if I would trust such a person for one moment....

Do you see what I am saying here?  What difference is there between some mentally challenged individual and another socially AND mentally challenged individual who is masquerading as our Treasurer and our Prime Minister?

Bet you can't see the issue I raise here.....

And yes - I could run the country better..... at least I can add up and I have no ideology to follow and I am not some dumbass 'educated' idiot of the modern age....

Vote 1 - Grappler Party - We ARE The People!

ian wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 4:23pm: [quote author=ian link=1403656463/19#19 date=1403676965]No it doesnt validate the complaints but it makes the recidivism statistics claimed meaningless. Paedophilia can not be cured, I would be very suspicious about anyone claiming such a high rate of success and I doubt the validity of such a program in the first place. It would have to be a world first of they are having any sucess at all. No, it can't, but it can be managed (in some cases). There are paedophiles that don't offend. They do not have a higher risk generally than other sex offenders.

I would dispute that.[/quote]

Ok, what is your basis for this?

Further research yields the evidence that over long periods of time there may be more re-offence than other offenders, but such evidence is limited due to lack of studies.