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(Source: Sydney Morning Herald,  Pat Campbell)

The cartoon above reminds us not to forget the nobbling of the NBN to benefit Foxtel, and then nobbling downloaders to benefit Foxtel’s programming investments.

Foxtel is the main source of profit for Murdoch’s Australian operation. If it folds, then the Old Man will be humiliated in front of the Gnomes of New York who refused to back his own business model for News Corp. They want to make some money, not indulge Rupert’s dynasty fantasy.

The Gnomes hived off the newspapers around the world, and kept the profitable parts – mostly movies and entertainment – separate… everywhere except in Australia, where pay TV was bundled in with the newspapers to prop them up.

Australia is special for Murdoch. It’s his “home ground”, where he was spawned. He still thinks he can keep control of it and use it as a redoubt to marshall his forces under a friendly government, once again to strike out at the world and take it by storm.

I’ve always thought Foxtel was the key business for Murdoch. So much damage has been wrought on our local polity, our governance, our technological infrastructure, our wallets and our freedoms to prop it up. Even the ABC has been nobbled: they lost Australia TV, and lost access to the BBC when Murdoch gazumped them with big money.

But still Foxtel stubbornly refuses to grow. Increases in sales are desultory. The business model of giving sham value – hundreds of channels full of rubbish – is failing. Packages abound. If you have Foxtel and want to quit, you get badgered by them with better and more generous deals offered (my own personal experience). You have to be determined to resist.

The Foxtel technology is antiquated: a proprietary physical cable, a set-top box, a smart card. It’s too hardware-based. These limitations mean that if a new customer wants a Foxtel connection a gang of workers has to come out to your property with back hoes and shovels to dig a trench. Someone has to pay for that.

Soon it will be us.

Why us? Because Murdoch’s Foxtel HFC cable is due to become part of Turnbull’s “NBN”. When a new HFC cable is installed, we – the taxpayers – will pay part or all of the cost, relieving Murdoch of one of the greatest cash drains in his operation.

Telstra, of course has a big share in Foxtel, so I guess they won’t be complaining either. Telstra already uses the HFC cable for internet… that’s how I get mine, by using the old Foxtel connection only for data. One of my greatest pleasures is to use Murdoch’s battered wire - the one HE paid to install, back in the early days of 2001 – to download iView programs and YouTubes when the broadcast TV menu is just too awful to watch (Psychic TV – online charlatans reading your tarots – can be depressing at times)

We are being stitched up. The ABC will be emasculated, punters will pay more for services they don’t want. All so the Old Man can thumb his nose at New York, who said he’d never make the Australian territory pay. They didn’t reckon on his determination to buy a country and its government.

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Unfortunately for Murdoch, he is old. And his kids, the ones he’s anointed to run his businesses are dopey. The only one he hasn’t given the nod to, Elisabeth, the smart one, has been side-lined. There is hope.

The government he has entrusted to shore up his local empire is dopey as well, and hated. They’ve turned on everyone who voted for them – pensioners, disabled, foolish educators who believed that “Unity Ticket” crap, even more idiotic technocrats who didn’t believe Turnbull would actually “destroy the NBN”.

But not all supporters are voters, or more accurately have large numbers of votes at their disposal. They have money instead. Big Business, short on votes, but long on money and ability to donate, thought Murdoch’s Australia would be a land of milk and honey. It was expected that confidence and prosperity would return, literally overnight after the election. I can still remember Ray Hadley confidently predicting that the shops would “be full tomorrow”, the day after the Liberals wiped out Labor in Western Sydney. Reality has superseded that expectation (and Labor didn’t get wiped out).

There now seems to be a definite chance that it’s going to turn into a train wreck, as the train of spin meets the brick wall of reality. Things aren’t going too well.



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Eventually the public will have to choose between the naive, “Bread and circuses” Reality TV show that’s been provided for their tittilation – Gillard scandals, Rudd Restorations, rats whiskers on the Speaker, hookers, 20 year old “scandals”, “Budget Emergencies” and the like – and the brutal facts of the Budget that takes away their entitlements (yes… entitlements) and replaces them with the Law Of The Jungle, Abbott and Murdoch’s jungle.

The “Budget Emergency” will have to be discarded in the minds of the punters, if for nothing else, then just for self-preservation. Without a “Budget Emergency” it becomes permissible to to start whingeing about your lot in life without that nagging guilt of going against the national interest. It’ll go, and along with it, the whole basis of the Budget and the government’s pitch for legitimacy.

In the last week I’ve been around to my suppliers where last year, in some cases, my expressed support for the Gillard government was met with actual open-mouthed shock. The general opinion of me was “Get his money quick. He’s mad.”

Now, not so much. It’s starting in the warehouses, and moving up into the sales offices. People are openly berating the government, looking for fault. You can’t find a lot of punters who admit they voted for Abbott’s mob. Many of these did, of course, and may vote for him again, but right now they’re going with the mob in condemning him. It’s the fashionable thing.

After “fashion” comes “mindset”. Then comes “common wisdom”.

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People are sick of eternal struggle. They’re sick of politics and stress. They want to relax and enjoy the benefits of this great country they live in, without being hectored, divided into factions and demographics, and then encouraged to disparage, heckle or pick on each other.

Australia is not a hot-headed country. We’re more laid back about our politics. We like to be “relaxed and comfortable”. Culture wars, seething anger, envy, polemics, lies, spin, scandals and the rest are fun while they last, but we’re tired now.

We want our government to deliver, but in many cases the promises have been broken, and in others the “hundreds of policies” that we were promised were “costed and ready” haven’t got past the back-of-the-envelope stage, pending a thorough vetting by the warriors of the right, for ideological purity.

Australia is small enough for a few players to control. Media moguls, miners, a few banks and two supermarket chains take up far too much of our time and soak up far too much of our disposable income. Our exports are few. We are the world’s consumers. The few who are not involved in this handful of enterprises sell each other real estate and do each others laundry. Scientific research is becoming a secondary, marginal occupation. The physical reality of Climate Change is denied and ridiculed. It is still a “Debate” here, as it is almost nowhere else in the world. Our IT infrastructure is third rate, soon to become fourth or fifth rate, the better to keep antiquated delivery systems artificially current.

We are controlled by a cabal of niche business operators who think they pays us too much for too little work, and who can still buy whole governments to do their bidding… changing laws to benefit them, crushing those who oppose them, suing, arresting and trying – or investigating via Royal Commissions – those who are in their way.

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If one of our main exports was bananas it would be perfect. But bananas – and most of our other agricultural produce – were dealt out of the last two “Free” trade agreements we have entered into.

Nevertheless, the description “Banana Republic” still applies. Wikipedia tells us:

Banana republic is a political science term for a politically unstable country, whose economy is largely dependent on exporting a limited-resource product, e.g. bananas. It typically has stratified social classes, including a large, impoverished working class and a ruling plutocracy of business, political, and military elites. This politico-economic oligarchy controls the primary-sector productions to exploit the country’s economy.

Yes, even “political instability” applies, unless you want to argue that the last election, and the media-legal trail of destruction leading up to it, wasn’t a stitched-up farce.

Yep, “banana republic” does it for me. But what are we going to DO about it?



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Murdoch spent a lot of time and money getting his monkeys elected and now its time to pay the piper.

Yep, “banana republic” does it for me. But what are we going to DO about it?

That sounds like Australia 2014.

What can we do about it?

I'm at the forefront of a revolution. Care to join?

Johnny Howard saved us from becoming Keating's Banana Republic.

Rudd and Gillard tried to take us back.

Smoking Joey has to prevent it all over again.

Swagman wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Johnny Howard saved us from becoming Keating's Banana Republic. Rudd and Gillard tried to take us back. Smoking Joey has to prevent it all over again.

Actually Keating warned us that if we didnt do more than just dig up coal and iron ore that we would end up a banana republic. Howard made sure that iron ore and coal were all we relied on despite Keatings warnings...so you got that one kinda badly wrong  :P

Australia open for business, we have every for sale from Ports to Farms to Homes. Australia is open for business come one come all, come buy this land, even its half time Australian PM wants it sold.

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Australia open for business, we have every for sale from Ports to Farms to Homes. Australia is open for business come one come all, come buy this land, not even its half time Australian PM wants it sold.

Love a bit of hysteria on a sunday morning.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Yep, “banana republic” does it for me. But what are we going to DO about it? That sounds like Australia 2014. What can we do about it? I'm at the forefront of a revolution. Care to join?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly_tX5bj9rM

Yes - Bro Keating's one claim to raise him above infamy was his prediction that unless we changed our way of doing business we would become a banana republic... then he set about the exact same course himself when in government.... destroying the power of the men in the electorate, reducing the many under economic despotism and the despotism of petty and unwarranted intrusion into their personal lives in the pursuit of ultra-socialist UberKontrol...

I've been discussing the banana boats leaving the West and North for ages now - soon to be joined by more banana boats of fracked gas leaving our shores... and offering the distant mirage of a Brave New World of GAIA... o no avail.

You all think I'm crazy or just joking..... I never joke - I use humour as a teaching tool.... and to teach tools....

Unless we the people rise and do something soon, we will all go under.... trust me on this...

Who'll join me in forming the GAIA Companies Group to develop my concepts.....take back the asylum?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 6:26pm:

Yes - Bro Keating's one claim to raise him above infamy was his prediction that unless we changed our way of doing business we would become a banana republic... then he set about the exact same course himself when in government.... destroying the power of the men in the electorate, reducing the many under economic despotism and the despotism of petty and unwarranted intrusion into their personal lives in the pursuit of ultra-socialist UberKontrol... I've been discussing the banana boats leaving the West and North for ages now - soon to be joined by more banana boats of fracked gas leaving our shores... and offering the distant mirage of a Brave New World of GAIA... o no avail. You all think I'm crazy or just joking..... I never joke - I use humour as a teaching tool.... and to teach tools.... Unless we the people rise and do something soon, we will all go under.... trust me on this... Who'll join me in forming the GAIA Companies Group to develop my concepts.....take back the asylum?

Oh hell, why not!

Swagman wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Johnny Howard saved us from becoming Keating's Banana Republic. Rudd and Gillard tried to take us back. Smoking Joey has to prevent it all over again.

Do you even have a clue what Keating was getting at with his “banana republic” statement?

All Howard did is create a real estate boom.

Don't forget the anti-fracking laws - we don't and won't need to export that kind of rubbish once the steel mills are in operation and producing real goods for export for a real profit...."

Energy sourced from Fracking in Australia and then used to increase the supply chain to other areas are sold by the Australian registered Pty Ltd and reported as inter-company revenue in Australia.

This is then subject to taxation in Australia and paid in Australia.

The energy taken is paid for - might I add after being sourced in Australia using often mostly local Headcount.
Providing jobs and paying tax on the revenue .
Shocking the behaviour of multi national energy companies right?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 6:48pm:

Don't forget the anti-fracking laws - we don't and won't need to export that kind of rubbish once the steel mills are in operation and producing real goods for export for a real profit...." Energy sourced from Fracking in Australia and then used to increase the supply chain to other areas are sold by the Australian registered Pty Ltd and reported as inter-company revenue in Australia. This is then subject to taxation in Australia and paid in Australia. The energy taken is paid for - might I add after being sourced in Australia using often mostly local Headcount. Providing jobs and paying tax on the revenue . Shocking the behaviour of multi national energy companies right?

How many jobs long-term?  What other impacts does it have?  How much tax does it pay and what are the deductions it receives?  If it is efficient for Australia why is our gas price going up along with our unemployment in real terms as our standard of living goes down at the same rate as costs of living rise, and why is that price rise being cited as due to off-shoring of gas?  why does it not fill local markets first at a fair price?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 6:48pm:

Don't forget the anti-fracking laws - we don't and won't need to export that kind of rubbish once the steel mills are in operation and producing real goods for export for a real profit...." Energy sourced from Fracking in Australia and then used to increase the supply chain to other areas are sold by the Australian registered Pty Ltd and reported as inter-company revenue in Australia. This is then subject to taxation in Australia and paid in Australia. The energy taken is paid for - might I add after being sourced in Australia using often mostly local Headcount. Providing jobs and paying tax on the revenue . Shocking the behaviour of multi national energy companies right?

No energy is sourced by fracking.  Australian gas reserves are accessed by fracking and the cheap energy is kept from Australians whilst the Government picks ups a few cents and lots of look at me moments.

We have a group of politicians not satisfied to harm things for us but want to harm our children even more.

Talk about a brain dead bunch of oldies trying to bring back years gone past, and above all else making it hard for the young faces to come in and do something in modern times.

The oldies have nothing to offer aside walking around saying oh how good it was, lets pretend its all coming back and you need us!

Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves.
We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation.

One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver.
This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue.

Oh and stopping other projects??
My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone.
How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future?
Not many I bet.

Bad old oil companies eh?

Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves. We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation. One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver. This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue. Oh and stopping other projects?? My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone. How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future? Not many I bet. Bad old oil companies eh? Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual.

Why shouldn't you.  Your lot polute, you should clean it up.  You want bouquets when you clean up your own mess ~ as if you had a choice!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual.

heavy lifting? no, Industry rapes and pillages, and leaves everyone else to do the heavy lifting

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plenty more where they came from

Oil spillage pictures.
Yes very good. If you look at the number of spillages, compare to the figure of transported gallons by the million you'll know that this is possibly the safest and most regulated industry in that world.

In actual fact most incidents occur through individual error by people not even employed in the industry.
Valdez, Braer, Deepwater Horizon etc

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:31pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:06pm: Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves. We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation. One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver. This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue. Oh and stopping other projects?? My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone. How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future? Not many I bet. Bad old oil companies eh? Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual. If your employer is into fracking in search for our gas to stop our children using it, and spent $775 Million last year trying to get away with it, there is no tear on my cheek! Raping us and our children just so you can parade yourselves as big time businessmen is not going to happen! The world has already taken up Australian technology having no need of Coal, Gas or Oil.

Fracking is just one sourcing process.
The $775m is investment to make this world a cleaner better place for future generations - while providing energy to a growing demand.

Fracking
Geo thermal
Offshore deep dive
Traditional drilling
Reduction of escaping at source
Wind/solar

We are into it all. As you would expect.

Governments talk and bluster. Industry makes it happen.

quote author=Andrei.Hicks link=1403415251/15#15 date=1403427964]Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves.
We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation.

One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver.
This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue.

Oh and stopping other projects??
My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone.
How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future?
Not many I bet.

Bad old oil companies eh?

Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual.[/quote]

If your employer is into fracking in search for our gas to stop our children using it, and spent $775 Million last year trying to get away with it, there is no tear on my cheek!

Raping us and our children just so you can parade yourselves as big time businessmen is not going to happen!

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Oil spillage pictures. Yes very good. If you look at the number of spillages, compare to the figure of transported gallons by the million you'll know that this is possibly the safest and most regulated industry in that world. In actual fact most incidents occur through individual error by people not even employed in the industry. Valdez, Braer, Deepwater Horizon etc

safest? depends on what you call 'safe' Andrei ... I'm guessing the wildlife in those photos don't consider it safe

If you want safe, look at the number of spillages compared to the amount of energy as a result of renewables .... what was that you said? ZERO spillages

yes, that sounds much safer.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:56pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:31pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:06pm: Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves. We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation. One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver. This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue. Oh and stopping other projects?? My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone. How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future? Not many I bet. Bad old oil companies eh? Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual. If your employer is into fracking in search for our gas to stop our children using it, and spent $775 Million last year trying to get away with it, there is no tear on my cheek! Raping us and our children just so you can parade yourselves as big time businessmen is not going to happen! The world has already taken up Australian technology having no need of Coal, Gas or Oil. Fracking is just one sourcing process. The $775m is investment to make this world a cleaner better place for future generations - while providing energy to a growing demand. Fracking Geo thermal Offshore deep dive Traditional drilling Reduction of escaping at source Wind/solar We are into it all. As you would expect. Governments talk and bluster. Industry makes it happen.

Either your bullshit or your boss is a fool. The world has up taken Carbon as its new energy source, only Australia is passing laws demanding Coal be burnt, and no competion allowed just in case Coal takes it out on Politician's at election time.

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:56pm: DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:31pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:06pm: Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves. We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation. One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver. This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue. Oh and stopping other projects?? My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone. How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future? Not many I bet. Bad old oil companies eh? Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual. If your employer is into fracking in search for our gas to stop our children using it, and spent $775 Million last year trying to get away with it, there is no tear on my cheek! Raping us and our children just so you can parade yourselves as big time businessmen is not going to happen! The world has already taken up Australian technology having no need of Coal, Gas or Oil. Fracking is just one sourcing process. The $775m is investment to make this world a cleaner better place for future generations - while providing energy to a growing demand. Fracking Geo thermal Offshore deep dive Traditional drilling Reduction of escaping at source Wind/solar We are into it all. As you would expect. Governments talk and bluster. Industry makes it happen. Either your bullshit or your boss is a fool. The world has up taken Carbon as its new energy source, only Australia is passing laws demanding Coal be burnt, and no competion allowed just in case Coal takes it out on Politician's at election time.

China is building 600 coal fired powerplants.
India is burning 25% more coal every year for an energy demand expected to increase 500% in the next decade.

What was that about just Australia?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Oil spillage pictures. Yes very good. If you look at the number of spillages, compare to the figure of transported gallons by the million you'll know that this is possibly the safest and most regulated industry in that world. In actual fact most incidents occur through individual error by people not even employed in the industry. Valdez, Braer, Deepwater Horizon etc

I don't follow that to this extent.  Is that your lot outsourcing responsibility for the problem as soon as it gets on the transport.  Wipe hands, Pontius Pilate ....we're safe now....it's safely on the tanker.  I guess it is and I also reckon you'd be nuts if you did not take great care to ensure you, the producer of the pollutant are safe from the environmental shafts when your product destroys an environment.  Well done.

Like to see some evidence for all these new coal powerstations etc.

Bet your boss spent money on a PR campaign rather than cleaning up fracking.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:07pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:56pm: DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:31pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:06pm: Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves. We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation. One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver. This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue. Oh and stopping other projects?? My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone. How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future? Not many I bet. Bad old oil companies eh? Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual. If your employer is into fracking in search for our gas to stop our children using it, and spent $775 Million last year trying to get away with it, there is no tear on my cheek! Raping us and our children just so you can parade yourselves as big time businessmen is not going to happen! The world has already taken up Australian technology having no need of Coal, Gas or Oil. Fracking is just one sourcing process. The $775m is investment to make this world a cleaner better place for future generations - while providing energy to a growing demand. Fracking Geo thermal Offshore deep dive Traditional drilling Reduction of escaping at source Wind/solar We are into it all. As you would expect. Governments talk and bluster. Industry makes it happen. Either your bullshit or your boss is a fool. The world has up taken Carbon as its new energy source, only Australia is passing laws demanding Coal be burnt, and no competion allowed just in case Coal takes it out on Politician's at election time. China is building 600 coal fired powerplants. India is burning 25% more coal every year for an energy demand expected to increase 500% in the next decade. What was that about just Australia?

Not only that - but with the rapidly rising costs of energy here  people are turning to burning wood again for heat - huge benefit from ripping everyone off for 'energy' there - trouble is it only goes to enriching the few and not improving the lifestyles of the many.

I think we'd all be better served going back a few years and starting again without this idiotic one world economy...

No, just need to wipe out neoconservatism, govt for the 1% only.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

I think we'd all be better served going back a few years and starting again without this idiotic one world economy...

I'll second that
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Yeah go back to trade tariffs and borders right.

Because a country of 20m in the arse-end of nowhere will just flourish in that.....

It's bizarre.
I'm the dual citizen who took an Aussie passport for tax reasons and don't even live there yet I seem to be the only fker thinking in Australia's interests on this one!!!!!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50pm:

Yeah go back to trade tariffs and borders right. Because a country of 20m in the arse-end of nowhere will just flourish in that.....

why not? we were before all this free trade bullsh1t started, we can again

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:52pm:

It's bizarre. I'm the dual citizen who took an Aussie passport for tax reasons and don't even live there yet I seem to be the only fker thinking in Australia's interests on this one!!!!!

wrong, you're thinking of your own interests, not Australia's ....

John Smith wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:50pm: Yeah go back to trade tariffs and borders right. Because a country of 20m in the arse-end of nowhere will just flourish in that..... why not? we were before all this free trade bullsh1t started, we can again

It's called economic progress.
You never had the internet.
You never had mass communication.
You never had mass transportation at this level.

The global market economy. Shutting yourself off isn't the answer.
It'll just belt you even harder.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:07pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:56pm: DaS Energy wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:31pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:06pm: Oldies? I was born in the late 1970s man and I support what we are trying to by accessing huge pools of gas reserves. We have a global supply issue across the globe with ever greater demand and growing industrialisation. One of those sourcing answers is to improve the Fracking processes and to source energy supply to increase the capability to deliver. This is supported might I add by the Australian Government who provide capital tax offset assistance because it brings investment into the country, it brings jobs and it brings tax revenue. Oh and stopping other projects?? My employer alone spent $775m on R&D into cleaner and newer energy sourcing last year alone. How many of your pissant companies spent that to help the climate in future? Not many I bet. Bad old oil companies eh? Governments do little but bluster. Industry will do the heavy lifting - as usual. If your employer is into fracking in search for our gas to stop our children using it, and spent $775 Million last year trying to get away with it, there is no tear on my cheek! Raping us and our children just so you can parade yourselves as big time businessmen is not going to happen! The world has already taken up Australian technology having no need of Coal, Gas or Oil. Fracking is just one sourcing process. The $775m is investment to make this world a cleaner better place for future generations - while providing energy to a growing demand. Fracking Geo thermal Offshore deep dive Traditional drilling Reduction of escaping at source Wind/solar We are into it all. As you would expect. Governments talk and bluster. Industry makes it happen. Either your bullshit or your boss is a fool. The world has up taken Carbon as its new energy source, only Australia is passing laws demanding Coal be burnt, and no competion allowed just in case Coal takes it out on Politician's at election time. China is building 600 coal fired powerplants. India is burning 25% more coal every year for an energy demand expected to increase 500% in the next decade. What was that about just Australia?

China 100,00 unit per year 10kw air heat  Co2 turbine generator. Coal fired no longer mean the heat of Steam. India see agriculture minister Solar or alternate investment. North Korea build worlds biggest CO2 plant for energy purposes. Gifted to Australia 2007. Heat reduction for making 350kw. Steam +600*C, Co2 +50*C. Self cooling side now used by Coles.

Steam at +600*C has 200 bar pressure.   
CO2 at +80*C has 10,000 bar pressure.

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And yet - China's increased carbon emissions were FIVE TIMES the Kyoto reductions of every country added together!!!!!!!

China doesn't even release it's carbon emissions data, it continues to talk about its carbon intensity!!

If Australia reduced emissions to ZERO, China's emissions would eat up the difference several times over.

Hey but let's pretend China isn't the problem and focus on Australia's 1%....

"Why did I think the Kyoto deal was bad?
Well for a start it ignored the worst polluter, giving them a free ride and yet again expected America to pick up the check for everybody else"

George W Bush

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Like to see some evidence for all these new coal powerstations etc. Bet your boss spent money on a PR campaign rather than cleaning up fracking.

Think fracking hit a problem, staying within lease.

Coincidental fracking elsewhere not environmental satisfaction of proof!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:00am:

And yet - China's increased carbon emissions were FIVE TIMES the Kyoto reductions of every country added together!!!!!!! China doesn't even release it's carbon emissions data, it continues to talk about its carbon intensity!! If Australia reduced emissions to ZERO, China's emissions would eat up the difference several times over. Hey but let's pretend China isn't the problem and focus on Australia's 1%....

Lets pretend Australian politicians hide nothing. China now reserving. Australia preserving!

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:07am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 12:00am: And yet - China's increased carbon emissions were FIVE TIMES the Kyoto reductions of every country added together!!!!!!! China doesn't even release it's carbon emissions data, it continues to talk about its carbon intensity!! If Australia reduced emissions to ZERO, China's emissions would eat up the difference several times over. Hey but let's pretend China isn't the problem and focus on Australia's 1%.... Lets pretend Australian politicians hide nothing. China now reserving. Australia preserving!

So when we as a collective world put a discussion of every country reducing to a percentage of 2000 levels.
China refuses to do so.

They represent the biggest threat to all of it.

Everyone is trying to reduce. Their emissions continue to grow unabated year over year.
Their people are dying of respiratory disease.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 6:48pm:

Don't forget the anti-fracking laws - we don't and won't need to export that kind of rubbish once the steel mills are in operation and producing real goods for export for a real profit...." Energy sourced from Fracking in Australia and then used to increase the supply chain to other areas are sold by the Australian registered Pty Ltd and reported as inter-company revenue in Australia. This is then subject to taxation in Australia and paid in Australia. The energy taken is paid for - might I add after being sourced in Australia using often mostly local Headcount. Providing jobs and paying tax on the revenue . Shocking the behaviour of multi national energy companies right?

Where does it say anywhere in the OP about fracking, about oil or coal? The OP is about Murdoch and his pay TV business.

So Andrei why did you bring in about energy businesses when you reply at post 12? We now have 3 pages of something that you have brought up and nothing about Murdoch and his pay TV.

So andrei you are a moderator  how about moving all those post about fracking, oil, coal and all other things about energy and put them into another thread

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 10:29pm:

It's called economic progress. You never had the internet. You never had mass communication. You never had mass transportation at this level. The global market economy. Shutting yourself off isn't the answer. It'll just belt you even harder.

We've had the internet pretty much since it spread, we just lag behind, something that the free trade open borders policies have failed to correct, as for mass transport and communication.... you're kidding aren't you?

The global market isn't the answer ... its just foreigners belting you instead of your own countrymen

It is huge multinational corporations cheating national govts out of fair share of company tax. Abbott and Hockey of course are not doing anything about that.