Thats what they want.

Many lefties here are still committed to believing in an exceptional welfare system for the world to follow, that we can allow our welfare system to grow and meet the insatiable demands of australians who feel entitled through some level of poverty based victimhood that they are entitled to free money courtesy of the taxpayers.


But the lefties are also calling for an extension of that level of compassion and generosity of australians to allow unlimited numbers of country shoppers to come to australia even by leaky unsafe boats, and they know and believe that they will get everything that the people smugglers falsely advertise that australia will give them with one of the most generous welfare systems to extends its arms to take care of them all.

And for those who think shorten and labor look somewhat good or tolerable, think about what happened to this issue for the last six years and look where it took labor and the greens in the last election.


Who remembers the anger that there was so many country shoppers that they had to be housed in 4-5 STAR MOTELS.

Welfare is mostly assistance to the aged and families with children. It is only small proportion that are unemployed, for example, and of those a minority are long term.

Kytro wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Welfare is mostly assistance to the aged and families with children. It is only small proportion that are unemployed, for example, and of those a minority are long term.

   

And referring to those to ONLY IN australia, those families and children, the unemployable, those who are genuinely sick or too physically handicapped to work, but we are now adding people from overseas who can come here by boat and automatically jump on the governments payroll.


Why it would attract only more of these people and the government has to find the money to look after these extra people and non australians who i believe shouldnt be here.

Personally I prefer Abbotts model where hard working Aussies are forced to work until they drop dead of old age while pollies can retire early on half a million dollars a year with a lifetime of free air travel for them and their families ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:28pm:

Personally I prefer Abbotts model where hard working Aussies are forced to work until they drop dead of old age while pollies can retire early on half a million dollars a year with a lifetime of free air travel for them and their families ;D

I think you have posted that half baked piece of crap in the wrong thread,  :D


Cmon adelcrow, you want hotel australia, back, dont you ?

stryder wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 11:55am:

Thats what they want. Many lefties here are still committed to believing in an exceptional welfare system for the world to follow, that we can allow our welfare system to grow and meet the insatiable demands of australians who feel entitled through some level of poverty based victimhood that they are entitled to free money courtesy of the taxpayers. But the lefties are also calling for an extension of that level of compassion and generosity of australians to allow unlimited numbers of country shoppers to come to australia even by leaky unsafe boats, and they know and believe that they will get everything that the people smugglers falsely advertise that australia will give them with one of the most generous welfare systems to extends its arms to take care of them all.

I believe in entitlement.

If you have paid heavy taxes all your life so that other people can
live the easy life on a pension then
why shouldn't you be entitled to the same luxury?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:55am: Thats what they want. Many lefties here are still committed to believing in an exceptional welfare system for the world to follow, that we can allow our welfare system to grow and meet the insatiable demands of australians who feel entitled through some level of poverty based victimhood that they are entitled to free money courtesy of the taxpayers. But the lefties are also calling for an extension of that level of compassion and generosity of australians to allow unlimited numbers of country shoppers to come to australia even by leaky unsafe boats, and they know and believe that they will get everything that the people smugglers falsely advertise that australia will give them with one of the most generous welfare systems to extends its arms to take care of them all. I believe in entitlement. If you have paid heavy taxes all your life so that other people can live the easy life on a pension then why shouldn't you be entitled to the same luxury?

I have no problem with that, and thats i why i have no problems with the old age seniors pension for those people, I believe you will find no arguments from me on that. However it does not mean that many people who are still young and NOT SENIOR AGED who can still move arms or legs and still have a brain to think, choose laziness over a working life is not there with me and the promise of being looked after on the governments payroll with that going on is a serious one to still keep talking about.

When I can use the charity bike rides, running and swimming events that myself and hundreds of thousands of other Australians partake in as an excuse to claim tens of thousands of dollars back from hardworking taxpayers then I will know that all Australians are truly equal   ;D

stryder wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:32pm: stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:55am: Thats what they want. Many lefties here are still committed to believing in an exceptional welfare system for the world to follow, that we can allow our welfare system to grow and meet the insatiable demands of australians who feel entitled through some level of poverty based victimhood that they are entitled to free money courtesy of the taxpayers. But the lefties are also calling for an extension of that level of compassion and generosity of australians to allow unlimited numbers of country shoppers to come to australia even by leaky unsafe boats, and they know and believe that they will get everything that the people smugglers falsely advertise that australia will give them with one of the most generous welfare systems to extends its arms to take care of them all. I believe in entitlement. If you have paid heavy taxes all your life so that other people can live the easy life on a pension then why shouldn't you be entitled to the same luxury? I have no problem with that, and thats i why i have no problems with the old age seniors pension for those people, I believe you will find no arguments from me on that. However it does not mean that many people who are still yound and NOT SENIOR AGED who can move arms or legs and still have a brain to think, choose laziness over a working life is not there and the promise of being looked after on the governments payroll is a serious one to keep talking about.

OK then,
what if someone has paid heavy taxes all their working life &
then get retrenched - but refused any dole money?

This happens every day through means testing.
Centerlink has 1001 excuse not to pay people a cent.

This is about the country shoppers essentially, its amazing how we are asked to except these boat people on top of all other people who shouldnt be here, and the political left wants to fight for there so call right to get on the governments payroll.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:43pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:32pm: stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:55am: Thats what they want. Many lefties here are still committed to believing in an exceptional welfare system for the world to follow, that we can allow our welfare system to grow and meet the insatiable demands of australians who feel entitled through some level of poverty based victimhood that they are entitled to free money courtesy of the taxpayers. But the lefties are also calling for an extension of that level of compassion and generosity of australians to allow unlimited numbers of country shoppers to come to australia even by leaky unsafe boats, and they know and believe that they will get everything that the people smugglers falsely advertise that australia will give them with one of the most generous welfare systems to extends its arms to take care of them all. I believe in entitlement. If you have paid heavy taxes all your life so that other people can live the easy life on a pension then why shouldn't you be entitled to the same luxury? I have no problem with that, and thats i why i have no problems with the old age seniors pension for those people, I believe you will find no arguments from me on that. However it does not mean that many people who are still yound and NOT SENIOR AGED who can move arms or legs and still have a brain to think, choose laziness over a working life is not there and the promise of being looked after on the governments payroll is a serious one to keep talking about. OK then, what if someone has paid heavy taxes all their working life & then get retrenched - but refused any dole money? This happens every day through means testing. Centerlink has 1001 excuse not to pay people a cent.

Well of course its going to be means tested if your retrenched, you seem to have left out REDUNDANCY PAYOUTS, ??

stryder wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:47pm:

This is about the country shoppers essentially, its amazing how we are asked to except these boat people on top of all other people who shouldnt be here, and the political left wants to fight for there so call right to get on the governments payroll.

I agree..we need to stay the way we are....An aging population with fewer young people around to pay taxes and contribute to fixing a crumbing infrastructure.
Who needs young hardworking migrants entering the country?..Keep em all out and lets be a country of old farts   ;D ;D ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:52pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:47pm: This is about the country shoppers essentially, its amazing how we are asked to except these boat people on top of all other people who shouldnt be here, and the political left wants to fight for there so call right to get on the governments payroll. I agree..we need to stay the way we are....An aging population with fewer young people around to pay taxes and contribute to fixing a crumbing infrastructure. Who needs young hardworking migrants entering the country?..Keep em all out and lets be a country of old farts   ;D ;D ;D

So I guess in your mind we should have any borders whats so ever, lets just let anybody in, no matter the reason or what it costs the taxpayers, just let them in.


If you want we let them in, why dont you let them stay at your place or any other refugee advocates residence, SHOW US BY EXAMPLE,  how does that sound ???


Who cares who they are, just do it because i see it makes you feel good, hey adel,  :D :D :D

stryder wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:56pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:52pm: stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:47pm: This is about the country shoppers essentially, its amazing how we are asked to except these boat people on top of all other people who shouldnt be here, and the political left wants to fight for there so call right to get on the governments payroll. I agree..we need to stay the way we are....An aging population with fewer young people around to pay taxes and contribute to fixing a crumbing infrastructure. Who needs young hardworking migrants entering the country?..Keep em all out and lets be a country of old farts   ;D ;D ;D So I guess in your mind we should have any borders whats so ever, lets just let anybody in, no matter the reason or what it costs the taxpayers, just let them in. If you want we let them in, but they can stay at your place or any other refugee advocates, how does that sound ??? Who cares who they are, just do it because i see it makes you feel good, hey adel,  :D :D :D

Why attack me?..Im agreeing that we should leave Australia to rot with an aging population and an ever decreasing tax base.
We dont need to revitalise this country by welcoming young hardworking enthusiastic migrants who can bring new ideas and boost our economy.
We are all going to be working until we drop dead of old age anyway so we dont need these trouble making migrants around  :D

"As Tone stood in the doorway.
He heard mission bells toll,
And stood and thunk to himself,
This could be heaven or it could be Hell.
Far away in the distance
Gina dug great big holes,
And ran around with her well-heeled mates,
Paying two bucks to the proles.

Welcome to the Hotel Fracked Australia,
Such  a  right wing place
Such a vacant space.
There's plenty of cash in the Hotel Fracked Australia
Any time of year
For investment here"....

So - you are happy to admit that, despite the success of other countries with their solid Social Security system that has multiple social benefits for all and costs a mere fraction of any budget due to the return of the payments into government coffers within days...... the absolute agenda of your mates, Toney and Joe and Mattie the Belge egc, is to demolish all these things and replace them with Rich People and the Rest Poor and struggling?

Cop yer whack fer this:-

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/24290955/mothers-lose-up-to-60-per-cent-of-income-when-they-return-to-work-childcare-costs-soaring-report/

I take it you are happy to feed irresponsible fat cat women to have kids, when they cannot even organise their own budget to cater to their desire to have a family**, while starving those of those women less well-off.

** How bizarre is it that people demand that their bedroom is sacred, but the results are the province of the public purse as long as it gives them another freebie.. talk about 'entitlement mentality'?  You want kids - you pay for 'em.. and if it affects your work - tough - stand aside and let someone else have a go - there are countless thousands starving out there with this idiotic agenda in play.

TROLL!

adelcrow wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:56pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:52pm: stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:47pm: This is about the country shoppers essentially, its amazing how we are asked to except these boat people on top of all other people who shouldnt be here, and the political left wants to fight for there so call right to get on the governments payroll. I agree..we need to stay the way we are....An aging population with fewer young people around to pay taxes and contribute to fixing a crumbing infrastructure. Who needs young hardworking migrants entering the country?..Keep em all out and lets be a country of old farts   ;D ;D ;D So I guess in your mind we should have any borders whats so ever, lets just let anybody in, no matter the reason or what it costs the taxpayers, just let them in. If you want we let them in, but they can stay at your place or any other refugee advocates, how does that sound ??? Who cares who they are, just do it because i see it makes you feel good, hey adel,  :D :D :D Why attack me?..Im agreeing that we should leave Australia to rot with an aging population and an ever decreasing tax base. We dont need to revitalise this country by welcoming young hardworking enthusiastic migrants who can bring new ideas and boost our economy. We are all going to be working until we drop dead of old age anyway so we dont need these trouble making migrants around  :D

Didnt realise I was in some attack against you,  ;D



Then you probably have no problems inviting them to stay in your home and other homes like yours and out of the taxpayers way then,

The whole problem can be solved with proper infrastructure planning for development of viable and genuine industries - not just more roads for the cronies to buy up and un for a profit out of the working stiff again, and a couple of railway lines to nowhere for trains full of ore to travel in style to ports to anywhere but here....

stryder wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:14pm: Welfare is mostly assistance to the aged and families with children. It is only small proportion that are unemployed, for example, and of those a minority are long term.     And referring to those to ONLY IN australia, those families and children, the unemployable, those who are genuinely sick or too physically handicapped to work, but we are now adding people from overseas who can come here by boat and automatically jump on the governments payroll. Why it would attract only more of these people and the government has to find the money to look after these extra people and non australians who i believe shouldnt be here.

Er... they're unemployed, not unemployable.

Why do the Right persist with this fallacy?

stryder wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 11:55am:

Thats what they want. Many lefties here are still committed to believing in an exceptional welfare system for the world to follow, that we can allow our welfare system to grow and meet the insatiable demands of australians who feel entitled through some level of poverty based victimhood that they are entitled to free money courtesy of the taxpayers. But the lefties are also calling for an extension of that level of compassion and generosity of australians to allow unlimited numbers of country shoppers to come to australia even by leaky unsafe boats, and they know and believe that they will get everything that the people smugglers falsely advertise that australia will give them with one of the most generous welfare systems to extends its arms to take care of them all.

I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not.

Lets face it...Abbotts plan is to force the current population to work until they drop dead of old age and when there's no one left to pay tax the Chinese will move in.

Its a fool proof plan  ;D

John Smith wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 3:50pm:

I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not.

Ask Labor why not.  It was another Labor act to stop Howard era vocational training, English language lessons, work assistance and the dole for Gillards and Rudds, no lessons, no work for you, and not only that but no dole, or at best a reduced dole for a few that manage to qualify.

And luvvie clowns accuse the libs of bastardry to country shoppers.   ;D

Libs cannot approach the long list of bastard acts that Labor the compassionate left has legislated, about which the luvvie fan club remains studiously silent.

Datalife wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 4:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm: I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not. Ask Labor why not.  It was another Labor act to stop Howard era vocational training, English language lessons, work assistance and the dole for Gillards and Rudds, no lessons, no work for you, and not only that but no dole, or at best a reduced dole for a few that manage to qualify. And luvvie clowns accuse the libs of bastardry to country shoppers.   ;D Libs cannot approach the long list of bastard acts that Labor the compassionate left has legislated, about which the luvvie fan club remains studiously silent.

Who are these people?

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 4:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm: I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not. Ask Labor why not.  It was another Labor act to stop Howard era vocational training, English language lessons, work assistance and the dole for Gillards and Rudds, no lessons, no work for you, and not only that but no dole, or at best a reduced dole for a few that manage to qualify. And luvvie clowns accuse the libs of bastardry to country shoppers.   ;D Libs cannot approach the long list of bastard acts that Labor the compassionate left has legislated, about which the luvvie fan club remains studiously silent. Who are these people?

Idiots ignorant of labors history of legislation toward country shoppers. You might be one. 

Are you one Aussie?   8-)

Datalife wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm: Datalife wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 4:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm: I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not. Ask Labor why not.  It was another Labor act to stop Howard era vocational training, English language lessons, work assistance and the dole for Gillards and Rudds, no lessons, no work for you, and not only that but no dole, or at best a reduced dole for a few that manage to qualify. And luvvie clowns accuse the libs of bastardry to country shoppers.   ;D Libs cannot approach the long list of bastard acts that Labor the compassionate left has legislated, about which the luvvie fan club remains studiously silent. Who are these people? Idiots ignorant of labors history of legislation toward country shoppers. You might be one.  Are you one Aussie?   8-)

Probably seeing as I know of no legislation of Labor's which referred to country shoppers.  Maybe you can show us that legislation.

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:07pm:

Probably seeing as I know of no legislation of Labor's which referred to country shoppers.  Maybe you can show us that legislation.

You ain't too bright are you Aussie?  I am not following your trail of nitpicking crumbs.  Suffice to say if you are not aware of labors long and proud history of legislation smacking over country shoppers then you should educate yourself rather than attempt to derail discussion with pedantic points of order of interest only to yourself.

I look forward to your next piece of work, possibly a tedious explanation defining a rightard since such expressions are of such intense interest and scrutiny to you. 

stryder wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

And for those who think shorten and labor look somewhat good or tolerable, think about what happened to this issue for the last six years and look where it took labor and the greens in the last election. Who remembers the anger that there was so many country shoppers that they had to be housed in 4-5 STAR MOTELS.

4-5 star motels - do you mean like the Hilton Motel?

PleaSe explain.

Datalife wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 5:07pm: Probably seeing as I know of no legislation of Labor's which referred to country shoppers.  Maybe you can show us that legislation. You ain't too bright are you Aussie?  I am not following your trail of nitpicking crumbs.  Suffice to say if you are not aware of labors long and proud history of legislation smacking over country shoppers then you should educate yourself rather than attempt to derail discussion with pedantic points of order of interest only to yourself. I look forward to your next piece of work, possibly a tedious explanation defining a rightard since such expressions are of such intense interest and scrutiny to you.

Not me using the cliches as though the entire planet is supposed to know what I mean.  That'd be you with your 'luvvies' etc.   You mount some attack yet use generalised cliched and meaningless terms to communicate it.   My guess is that you also use emoticons to make up for a similar lack of capacity to express yourself in English.

FD wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:15pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:58am: And for those who think shorten and labor look somewhat good or tolerable, think about what happened to this issue for the last six years and look where it took labor and the greens in the last election. Who remembers the anger that there was so many country shoppers that they had to be housed in 4-5 STAR MOTELS. 4-5 star motels - do you mean like the Hilton Motel? PleaSe explain.

Motels are where "ladies and lads of the night" ply their trade

Datalife wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm: Datalife wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 4:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm: I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not. Ask Labor why not.  It was another Labor act to stop Howard era vocational training, English language lessons, work assistance and the dole for Gillards and Rudds, no lessons, no work for you, and not only that but no dole, or at best a reduced dole for a few that manage to qualify. And luvvie clowns accuse the libs of bastardry to country shoppers.   ;D Libs cannot approach the long list of bastard acts that Labor the compassionate left has legislated, about which the luvvie fan club remains studiously silent. Who are these people? Idiots ignorant of labors history of legislation toward country shoppers. You might be one.  Are you one Aussie?   8-)

country shoppers...is that what they call the wives of National Party members when they go shopping at the local RM Willliams store while partaking of tea and scones :D

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:24pm:

Not me using the cliches as though the entire planet is supposed to know what I mean.  That'd be you with your 'luvvies' etc.   You mount some attack yet use generalised cliched and meaningless terms to communicate it.   My guess is that you also use emoticons to make up for a similar lack of capacity to express yourself in English.

Here, have a peanut you tedious little twat.

Did you understand that?   ;D

Datalife wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 5:24pm: Not me using the cliches as though the entire planet is supposed to know what I mean.  That'd be you with your 'luvvies' etc.   You mount some attack yet use generalised cliched and meaningless terms to communicate it.   My guess is that you also use emoticons to make up for a similar lack of capacity to express yourself in English. Here, have a peanut you tedious little twat. Did you understand that?   ;D

Thought I would hit a nerve, and so it is.  Rabbitting on with petty personal attacks on me won't get you anywhere, and neither will crappy cliches get you over the line.

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 5:47pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 5:35pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 5:24pm: Not me using the cliches as though the entire planet is supposed to know what I mean.  That'd be you with your 'luvvies' etc.   You mount some attack yet use generalised cliched and meaningless terms to communicate it.   My guess is that you also use emoticons to make up for a similar lack of capacity to express yourself in English. Here, have a peanut you tedious little twat. Did you understand that?   ;D Thought I would hit a nerve, and so it is.  Rabbitting on with petty personal attacks on me won't get you anywhere, and neither will crappy cliches get you over the line.

Aussie...I think you'll find its like arguing with one of those crazy mall dwellers that smell like old socks and yells at everyone that's walking by...There are no winners here  :D

Datalife wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 4:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm: I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not. Ask Labor why not.  It was another Labor act to stop Howard era vocational training, English language lessons, work assistance and the dole for Gillards and Rudds, no lessons, no work for you, and not only that but no dole, or at best a reduced dole for a few that manage to qualify. And luvvie clowns accuse the libs of bastardry to country shoppers.   ;D Libs cannot approach the long list of bastard acts that Labor the compassionate left has legislated, about which the luvvie fan club remains studiously silent.

no, the libs reserve their acts of bastardry for Australias citizens. ....

Datalife wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 4:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm: I think you are confused Stryder .... wanting a stop this politicising of Asylum seekers does not mean we want them on welfare ... we should remove this barrier to their working while waiting for their claims to be assessed.  Let them work while they wait. why not. Ask Labor why not.  It was another Labor act to stop Howard era vocational training, English language lessons, work assistance and the dole for Gillards and Rudds, no lessons, no work for you, and not only that but no dole, or at best a reduced dole for a few that manage to qualify. And luvvie clowns accuse the libs of bastardry to country shoppers.   ;D Libs cannot approach the long list of bastard acts that Labor the compassionate left has legislated, about which the luvvie fan club remains studiously silent.

You are seriously smacking deluded, you know that?

adelcrow wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:28pm:

Personally I prefer Abbotts model where hard working Aussies are forced to work until they drop dead of old age while pollies can retire early on half a million dollars a year with a lifetime of free air travel for them and their families ;D

If that incompetent fool Swan hadn't borrowed as if there was no tomorrow (which there wasn't, for Labor at least), then raising the retirement age might not be a possibility.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 5:45am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:28pm: Personally I prefer Abbotts model where hard working Aussies are forced to work until they drop dead of old age while pollies can retire early on half a million dollars a year with a lifetime of free air travel for them and their families ;D If that incompetent fool Swan hadn't borrowed as if there was no tomorrow (which there wasn't, for Labor at least), then raising the retirement age might not be a possibility.

Why do you keep pushing this lie?

How many times must it be proven to be wrong before you accept it?

Kat wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 5:45am: adelcrow wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:28pm: Personally I prefer Abbotts model where hard working Aussies are forced to work until they drop dead of old age while pollies can retire early on half a million dollars a year with a lifetime of free air travel for them and their families ;D If that incompetent fool Swan hadn't borrowed as if there was no tomorrow (which there wasn't, for Labor at least), then raising the retirement age might not be a possibility. Why do you keep pushing this lie? How many times must it be proven to be wrong before you accept it?

it's all he has .... take it away and he's got nothing  ;D ;D ;D