Pro-queer Muslims challenge prejudice


This year’s Sydney Mardi Gras gave many people the opportunity to say something about the issues that concern lesbian, gay, bisexual, intersex and transgendered (LGTBI) people. Most floats in the parade voiced their support for same-sex marriage.

Muslims Against Homophobia, a recently-formed support group for queer Muslims in Sydney, made a groundbreaking appearance in the parade. It said something equally important and urgent: “Queer Muslims need acceptance!”

There is much stigma attached to homosexuality in Muslim societies. In some Muslim nations homosexuality is still criminalised, and is even punishable by death in some, such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.

In the past, most Muslim societies were sexually permissive, and were even viewed as lascivious by colonial Western nations.

Some Muslim countries, especially those in the Middle East, had a widespread homosexual culture that tolerated sexual relationships between men.

But the moralistic colonial authorities, mostly strict Christians, disapproved of sex between men and banned it. More recently, with the rise of harsher forms of Islam in conservative Muslim circles, homosexuality is now viewed mostly as a sign of Western decadence that poisons Muslims.

Most Muslim societies do not recognise homosexuality as a different identity, but what they generally stigmatise and criminalise is sexual intercourse between men.

There are many social and political obstacles, which make it hard and impractical to advocate queer rights in these conservative societies, where different identities and subcultures can’t usually freely flourish.

Although sex is a natural part of life according to Islam (unlike Christianity, which traditionally promoted celibacy) it is generally strictly regulated to take place only between married heterosexual couples.

The most important obstacles of all are the repressive regimes in most Muslim countries, which do not provide mainstream people with rights and freedoms, let alone minorities like queer people.

But despite this gloomy picture, homosexuals in these countries, which don’t usually allow their people to express their diverse identities honestly and freely, generally live in secrecy and network quietly - unlike out-and-proud Western homosexuals.

They avoid getting into trouble by leading a double life, some managing a heterosexual marriage and a same-sex relationship at the same time.

In Turkey, a secular and more liberal Muslim country, Istanbul’s homosexual community has a pride week and a gay and lesbian parade in late June every year as part of a niche counter culture.

Homosexual rights in Muslim countries will be probably achieved as part of a general struggle for civil rights in these nations — just like the civil rights movement in the US in 1960s, which also triggered the homosexual rights movement.

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I'd post a link but I cannot at this stage.

I would dare say there is going to be outrage from the extremists over this in coming years.
I personally think they are dreaming.

Whilst I raise no arms against gay men (other than to keep my backside covered) a muslim homosexual is an oxymoron, cause they would be dead.

Adamant wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:16pm:

Whilst I raise no arms against gay men (other than to keep my backside covered) a muslim homosexual is an oxymoron, cause they would be dead.

Absolute rubbish.

Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess .

ian wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:26am:

Adamant wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:16pm: Whilst I raise no arms against gay men (other than to keep my backside covered) a muslim homosexual is an oxymoron, cause they would be dead. Absolute rubbish.

Well said gay boy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEvzq7ZyTCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnojuPcuSqY

http://www.bestgore.com/execution/executions-hanging-iran-photos/

Do you get your kicks on route 66 Ian. like to see humans getting killed for being nothing more than human.

sicko

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:46am:

Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess .

Good look with that.

Aussie muslims say they need acceptance, but there happily joining the gay parade.PFFT.

So they are accepted in the gay parade, no need to push the values onto other muslims who dont want to be queer.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:46am:

Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess .

Be pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches, I expect.   ::)

Neither religion nor their followers have a very good track record on Homosexuality and the treatment of gay people.

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:09am:

Aussie muslims say they need acceptance, but there happily joining the gay parade.PFFT. So they are accepted in the gay parade, no need to push the values onto other muslims who dont want to be queer.

How can they tell whether those Muslims want to be queer without trying to push it onto them?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am: Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess . Be pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches, I expect.   ::) Neither religion nor their followers have a very good track record on Homosexuality and the treatment of gay people.

Well you expect wrong. Try google.

The new catholic pope allows homo priests and the Anglican and Uniting churches have been bending over backwards for years.

Never heard of a mosque anywhere batting for the other team.

Then again whats under a burqa stays under a burqa. Hmmm

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:10pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am: Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess . Be pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches, I expect.   ::) Neither religion nor their followers have a very good track record on Homosexuality and the treatment of gay people. Well you expect wrong. Try google. The new catholic pope allows homo priests and the Anglican and Uniting churches have been bending over backwards for years. Never heard of a mosque anywhere batting for the other team.

Kids maybe bending over?

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

wally1 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:09am: Aussie muslims say they need acceptance, but there happily joining the gay parade.PFFT. So they are accepted in the gay parade, no need to push the values onto other muslims who dont want to be queer. How can they tell whether those Muslims want to be queer without trying to push it onto them?

Didnt you read the first two paragraphs of the original post, or are you trolling?

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:40pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:10pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am: Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess . Be pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches, I expect.   ::) Neither religion nor their followers have a very good track record on Homosexuality and the treatment of gay people. Well you expect wrong. Try google. The new catholic pope allows homo priests and the Anglican and Uniting churches have been bending over backwards for years. Never heard of a mosque anywhere batting for the other team. Kids maybe bending over?

Kid muslims  :o

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Kid muslims

(Gay) kid (killed) muslims!

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:09am:

no need to push the values onto other muslims who dont want to be queer.

They are gay you are QUEER.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:10pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am: Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess . Be pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches, I expect.   ::) Neither religion nor their followers have a very good track record on Homosexuality and the treatment of gay people. Well you expect wrong. Try google. The new catholic pope allows homo priests and the Anglican and Uniting churches have been bending over backwards for years.

Christianity does not allow homosexuality, according to the majority of Christians.  I would hope that the Catholic Church's teachings on Homosexuality will soon reflect this supposed change of mind of the Pontif, 'cause it's still teaching officially that Homosexuality is a sin:


Quote:

Homosexuality as an orientation is considered an "objective disorder" because seen as "ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil", but not as sinful.[1] Homosexuality as sexual activity is seen as a "moral disorder"[1] and "homosexual acts" as "contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity."[2]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Roman_Catholicism]Source[/url]

Care to stop lying about what Catholicism's attitude to homosexuality is?

As for the Anglican and Uniting Churches' position I think you need to do some research:

In the Anglican Church you can't be Gay and a Minister.

In the Uniting Church, you can't be a practising Homosexual and a Minister.

::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:23pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:10pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:46am: Now would be an appropriate time to list the multitude of gay mosques throughout the world I guess . Be pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches, I expect.   ::) Neither religion nor their followers have a very good track record on Homosexuality and the treatment of gay people. Well you expect wrong. Try google. The new catholic pope allows homo priests and the Anglican and Uniting churches have been bending over backwards for years. Christianity does not allow homosexuality, according to the majority of Christians.  I would hope that the Catholic Church's teachings on Homosexuality will soon reflect this supposed change of mind of the Pontif, 'cause it's still teaching officially that Homosexuality is a sin: Quote: Homosexuality as an orientation is considered an "objective disorder" because seen as "ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil", but not as sinful.[1] Homosexuality as sexual activity is seen as a "moral disorder"[1] and "homosexual acts" as "contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity."[2] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Roman_Catholicism]Source[/url] Care to stop lying about what Catholicism's attitude to homosexuality is? As for the Anglican and Uniting Churches' position I think you need to do some research: In the Anglican Church you can't be Gay and a Minister. In the Uniting Church, you can't be a practising Homosexual and a Minister. ::) ::)

I suggest you do some more up to date reading old chap.

The teaching of the Church, as stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, is that homosexual persons, including priests, "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity", and that "every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided".[4] Regarding gay sexual activity, however, the Catechism states that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered", and that "under no circumstances can they be approved".[1] These prohibitions apply especially to priests, as the canon law of the Catholic Church requires that clerics "observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the kingdom of heaven".[5] For this reason, priests in Latin Catholic dioceses make vows of celibacy at their ordination, thereby agreeing to remain unmarried and abstinent throughout their lives.

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So yes you can be a homosexual priest in the Catholic church so I suggest you stop lying.

Gay Bishops in the Anglican Church.

Since the 1990s, the Anglican Communion has struggled with controversy regarding homosexuality in the church. In 1998, the 13th Lambeth Conference of Anglican bishops passed a resolution stating that homosexual acts are "incompatible with Scripture". In 2002, the Diocese of New Westminster, in the Anglican Church of Canada, permitted the blessing of same-sex unions. In 2003, two openly gay men in England and the United States became candidates for bishop. In the Church of England, Jeffrey John eventually succumbed to pressure to withdraw his name from consideration to be the Bishop of Reading. In the Episcopal Church USA, Gene Robinson was elected and consecrated Bishop of New Hampshire, becoming the first openly gay bishop in the Anglican Communion. This was highly controversial and led several hundred bishops to boycott the 2008 Lambeth Conference. As an alternative to Lambeth, many of these bishops attended the Global Anglican Futures Conference in Jerusalem.[1]

The Uniting Church.

2006 Assembly considered the matter again and did not reach consensus:
Members of its 11th Assembly meeting in Brisbane agreed they were "not of one mind" on the issue of accepting into ministry people who were living in a committed same-gender sexual relationships.
They said that "notwithstanding the hopes of many in the church", the Assembly "is not prepared to exercise further its determining responsibility in this matter".
The key elements in the Assembly’s resolution:
"our acknowledgment and lament that the 10th Assembly decision was a catalyst for concern and pain in the church;
an assurance that congregations who do not wish to receive into placement a minister who is living in a committed same-sex relationship will not be compelled to do so, and that congregations willing to have such a minister will have their decision respected;

So comparing Gay Mosques is not pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches at all.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:43pm:

So comparing Gay Mosques is not pretty comparable with the number of Gay Christian churches at all.

Brain Dead is another muslim apologist along the lines of Dried Fish Flaps the turd eater! U know the Miam Miam skat lover.

Still no gay mosques  ;D

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:56pm:

Still no gay mosques  ;D

Here you go troll.

Meet America's first openly gay Imam



He’s been condemned by other Muslim leaders, and some local imams have even refused to greet him. But Imam Daayiee Abdullah – believed to be the only openly gay imam in the Americas – is proud of his story.

He was born and raised in Detroit, where his parents were Southern Baptists. At age 15, he came out to them. At 33, while studying in China, Abdullah converted to Islam, and went on to study the religion in Egypt, Jordan and Syria. But as a gay man in America, he saw that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Muslims had unmet spiritual needs and he became an imam to provide community support.

“Sometimes necessity is the mother of invention. And because of the necessity in our community, that's why I came into this particular role,” he told America Tonight about his journey.

His first act as an imam? Performing funeral rites for a gay Muslim who died of AIDS.

“They had contacted a number of imams, and no one would go and provide him his janazah services,” he said, referring to the Muslim body cleaning ritual. That pained him.

“I believe every person, no matter if I disagree with you or not, you have the right as a Muslim to have the proper spiritual [rites] and rituals provided for you. And whoever judges you, that will be Allah's decision, not me.”

It’s one of the mantras he lives by in his work, even as others condemn him.

So there is one gay Imam in the world and I assume one gay mosque.  ;D

It is funny I see you call everyone a troll when they make you look stupid or disagree with you this is the third time I have seen you roll out the silly word to try and get one up.

If I called you a wally would it make you laugh or make you call me a troll again.
.

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 10:22pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:56pm: Still no gay mosques  ;D Here you go troll. Meet America's first openly gay Imam He’s been condemned by other Muslim leaders, and some local imams have even refused to greet him. But Imam Daayiee Abdullah – believed to be the only openly gay imam in the Americas – is proud of his story. He was born and raised in Detroit, where his parents were Southern Baptists. At age 15, he came out to them. At 33, while studying in China, Abdullah converted to Islam, and went on to study the religion in Egypt, Jordan and Syria. But as a gay man in America, he saw that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Muslims had unmet spiritual needs and he became an imam to provide community support. “Sometimes necessity is the mother of invention. And because of the necessity in our community, that's why I came into this particular role,” he told America Tonight about his journey. His first act as an imam? Performing funeral rites for a gay Muslim who died of AIDS. “They had contacted a number of imams, and no one would go and provide him his janazah services,” he said, referring to the Muslim body cleaning ritual. That pained him. “I believe every person, no matter if I disagree with you or not, you have the right as a Muslim to have the proper spiritual [rites] and rituals provided for you. And whoever judges you, that will be Allah's decision, not me.” It’s one of the mantras he lives by in his work, even as others condemn him.

How long do you think this "gay" lover will be allowed to live?

Regarding your so called Imam  ;D

" Even Abdullah is not certain exactly when people began calling him Imam. (Who declared him an Imam? When was he ordained, where and by whom?)[clarification needed][11]" Around 2000, he joined the online Yahoo! group Muslim Gay Men.[11] On this forum, there were many who claimed to be gay, but were intent on telling those who were seeking help that the Qur’an forbids homosexuality.[11] Abdullah attempted to refute these comments by explaining that one is to follow the Qur’an first and the Haddith second.[11][how?] Through this, he began to gain popularity among homosexuals and allies across the online community.[11]

Lol wally if you call yourself a gay troll I guess it must make you one or a gay pharaoh. It seems he is not so muslim after all [clarification not needed]  ;D

Adamant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:59am:

ian wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:26am: Adamant wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:16pm: Whilst I raise no arms against gay men (other than to keep my backside covered) a muslim homosexual is an oxymoron, cause they would be dead. Absolute rubbish. Well said gay boy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEvzq7ZyTCg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnojuPcuSqY http://www.bestgore.com/execution/executions-hanging-iran-photos/ Do you get your kicks on route 66 Ian. like to see humans getting killed for being nothing more than human. sicko

The majority of the worlds Muslims do not live in  the middle east. Massive fail.

Indonesia      203 million
Pakistan      174 million
India      161 million
Bangladesh      145 million
Egypt      79 million
Nigeria      78 million
Iran      74 million
Turkey      74 million
Algeria      34 million
Morocco      32 million
Iraq      30 million
Sudan      30 million
Afghanistan      28 million
Ethiopia      28 million
Uzbekistan      26 million
Saudi Arabia      25 million
Yemen      23 million
China      22 million
Syria      20 million
Russia      16 million


Yes the majority seem to live in all those happy and clean countries.

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:37pm: wally1 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:09am: Aussie muslims say they need acceptance, but there happily joining the gay parade.PFFT. So they are accepted in the gay parade, no need to push the values onto other muslims who dont want to be queer. How can they tell whether those Muslims want to be queer without trying to push it onto them? Didnt you read the first two paragraphs of the original post, or are you trolling?

I read them. It is your post I am having trouble figuring out. Should gay Muslims satisfy themselves with acceptance among gays at a pride parade? Why can't they share their views with other Muslims?

What do you think of Gandalf's interpretation of Islam's stance on homosexuality?


Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Regarding your so called Imam  ;D " Even Abdullah is not certain exactly when people began calling him Imam. (Who declared him an Imam? When was he ordained, where and by whom?)[clarification needed][11]" Around 2000, he joined the online Yahoo! group Muslim Gay Men.[11] On this forum, there were many who claimed to be gay, but were intent on telling those who were seeking help that the Qur’an forbids homosexuality.[11] Abdullah attempted to refute these comments by explaining that one is to follow the Qur’an first and the Haddith second.[11][how?] Through this, he began to gain popularity among homosexuals and allies across the online community.[11] Lol wally if you call yourself a gay troll I guess it must make you one or a gay pharaoh. It seems he is not so muslim after all [clarification not needed]  ;D

Anyone can call themselves an Imam. Muslims haven't had a central religious authority since the last Caliph. It's hard to imagine one being as accommodating as the Christian examples cited here.

For the Catholic take on homosexuality etc., see:

my next message.

Message 101.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

Adamant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:02pm:

wally1 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:09am: no need to push the values onto other muslims who dont want to be queer. They are gay you are QUEER.

Now now, we're all friends here. Some of my best friends are... I forget.

But they are something, you know.

Gud is great.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

The teaching of the Church, as stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, is that homosexual persons, including priests, "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity", and that "every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided"

For Matty's next trick, he'll turn the Inquisitions into a jolly romp before our very eyes.

Watch!

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 10:22pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:56pm: Still no gay mosques  ;D Here you go troll. Meet America's first openly gay Imam

And for Wally's trick, the imam's beard will be rubbed and turned pink, before it ejaculates with joy and love for all men.

Allah Uakbar!

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 11:11pm:

Indonesia      203 million Pakistan      174 million India      161 million Bangladesh      145 million Egypt      79 million Nigeria      78 million Iran      74 million Turkey      74 million Algeria      34 million Morocco      32 million Iraq      30 million Sudan      30 million Afghanistan      28 million Ethiopia      28 million Uzbekistan      26 million Saudi Arabia      25 million Yemen      23 million China      22 million Syria      20 million Russia      16 million Yes the majority seem to live in all those happy and clean countries.

Non beheaded homos everywhere in indonesia, Muslim capital of the world.

Karnal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:34pm: The teaching of the Church, as stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, is that homosexual persons, including priests, "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity", and that "every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided" For Matty's next trick, he'll turn the Inquisitions into a jolly romp before our very eyes. Watch!

The Inquisitions come from the same pit of hell as Islamic terrorism, nothing to do with real Christianity.

ian wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:11pm: Indonesia      203 million Pakistan      174 million India      161 million Bangladesh      145 million Egypt      79 million Nigeria      78 million Iran      74 million Turkey      74 million Algeria      34 million Morocco      32 million Iraq      30 million Sudan      30 million Afghanistan      28 million Ethiopia      28 million Uzbekistan      26 million Saudi Arabia      25 million Yemen      23 million China      22 million Syria      20 million Russia      16 million Yes the majority seem to live in all those happy and clean countries. Non beheaded homos everywhere in indonesia, Muslim capital of the world.

How would you know  ;D

Karnal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 5:08pm:

wally1 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 10:22pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:56pm: Still no gay mosques  ;D Here you go troll. Meet America's first openly gay Imam And for Wally's trick, the imam's beard will be rubbed and turned pink, before it ejaculates with joy and love for all men. Allah Uakbar!

Allawho Crackbar

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 7:52pm:

ian wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 5:42pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:11pm: Indonesia      203 million Pakistan      174 million India      161 million Bangladesh      145 million Egypt      79 million Nigeria      78 million Iran      74 million Turkey      74 million Algeria      34 million Morocco      32 million Iraq      30 million Sudan      30 million Afghanistan      28 million Ethiopia      28 million Uzbekistan      26 million Saudi Arabia      25 million Yemen      23 million China      22 million Syria      20 million Russia      16 million Yes the majority seem to live in all those happy and clean countries. Non beheaded homos everywhere in indonesia, Muslim capital of the world. How would you know  ;D

i spend around 3 months of the year there.

ian wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 8:05pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 7:52pm: ian wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 5:42pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:11pm: Indonesia      203 million Pakistan      174 million India      161 million Bangladesh      145 million Egypt      79 million Nigeria      78 million Iran      74 million Turkey      74 million Algeria      34 million Morocco      32 million Iraq      30 million Sudan      30 million Afghanistan      28 million Ethiopia      28 million Uzbekistan      26 million Saudi Arabia      25 million Yemen      23 million China      22 million Syria      20 million Russia      16 million Yes the majority seem to live in all those happy and clean countries. Non beheaded homos everywhere in indonesia, Muslim capital of the world. How would you know  ;D i spend around 3 months of the year there.

But of course you do Ian  ;D

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:43pm:

ian wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 8:05pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 7:52pm: ian wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 5:42pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:11pm: Indonesia      203 million Pakistan      174 million India      161 million Bangladesh      145 million Egypt      79 million Nigeria      78 million Iran      74 million Turkey      74 million Algeria      34 million Morocco      32 million Iraq      30 million Sudan      30 million Afghanistan      28 million Ethiopia      28 million Uzbekistan      26 million Saudi Arabia      25 million Yemen      23 million China      22 million Syria      20 million Russia      16 million Yes the majority seem to live in all those happy and clean countries. Non beheaded homos everywhere in indonesia, Muslim capital of the world. How would you know  ;D i spend around 3 months of the year there. But of course you do Ian  ;D

You asked Sparky. Now regale us with the total of your life experience.

ian wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 27th, 2014 at 10:43pm: ian wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 8:05pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 7:52pm: ian wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 5:42pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:11pm: Indonesia      203 million Pakistan      174 million India      161 million Bangladesh      145 million Egypt      79 million Nigeria      78 million Iran      74 million Turkey      74 million Algeria      34 million Morocco      32 million Iraq      30 million Sudan      30 million Afghanistan      28 million Ethiopia      28 million Uzbekistan      26 million Saudi Arabia      25 million Yemen      23 million China      22 million Syria      20 million Russia      16 million Yes the majority seem to live in all those happy and clean countries. Non beheaded homos everywhere in indonesia, Muslim capital of the world. How would you know  ;D i spend around 3 months of the year there. But of course you do Ian  ;D You asked Sparky. Now regale us with the total of your life experience.

I spend 7 months in Pakistan , India, Indonesia and Bangladesh a year on business genius.

I reckon the SUNNI/ISIS leaders would be closet fags.