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According to recent news polling Tony Abbott is widely considered to be the worst sitting Australian Prime Minister. Many are not surprised by the result considered the recent media backlash over the budget, as well as number of scandals that the government is currently facing.



The polling results were a clear landslide with 100% of respondents indicating Tony Abbott when asked “Who do you think is the worst Prime Minister currently leading the Australian Government”. Many expressed confusion at the question, as there was only a single answer possible however they still answered Tony Abbott.



Many believe that this information is a damning indictment of a government which is completely out of touch with the people. A prominent critic of the government had the following to say



These results are a clear indication that the LNP have no mandate to run the country. At least in the past when we ran these polls some people didn’t even know who was currently the PM. The fact that every single person polled knew the name Tony Abbott tells us that he is upsetting a lot of people.



Others were critical of the fact that the same poll found that Bill Shorten was considered to be the worst current Leader of the Opposition. An online commentator had the following to say



This is completed retarded. The poll isn’t even valid. There is only a single option which could possible be answered and these results are going to be used to malign Mr Shorten. I can understand this sort of thing happening when discussing the PM as we need to do whatever it takes to convince Murdoch readers that he is ruining our country. Also the sampling strategy of the poll was totally invalid. They only used landline telephones during the day, which means they only reached older votes who we know are more likely to support the LNP. I think that if they had conducted this poll properly we would’ve found that people with valid opinions think that Tony Abbott is the worst current Opposition Leader and PM of Australia.



When asked for comment the Office of the Prime Minster has said that Mr Abbott is not concerned with Polling results but that he is confident that once leaving office history will not remember him as the worst current sitting PM.


www.cjaustralia.com/tony/tony-abbott-overhwhelmingly-considered-to-be-the-worst-sitting-australian-prime-minster/

Read more: http://beyond-australia.boards.net/thread/403/abbott-worst-minister-australia-history#ixzz35DaPt3xU

This is from cjaustralia.com.

A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party.

It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site.

Yeah - maybe he is... but he could be worse.....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:50am:

This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site.

Are you saying abbott isnt the worst pm in history?

SOB

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:53am:

Yeah - maybe he is... but he could be worse.....

Yeah, he could be Gillard or Rudd...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:59am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:50am: This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site. Are you saying abbott isnt the worst pm in history? SOB

Gillard & Rudd took out that award ages ago...

Get a sense of humour.
It is a joke.
Every sitting PM has to be the worst ever "sitting" PM.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:50am:

This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site.

Doesn't mean it's wrong, though.

Stop shooting the messenger just because you don't like the message.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:50am:

This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site.

Well come on, you went to university so you must have a brain so can you think at all.

Tell us all why you think that Abbott is not the worst Prime Minister in Australia history.

Kat wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:03am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:50am: This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site. Doesn't mean it's wrong, though. Stop shooting the messenger just because you don't like the message.

When it comes from a source like that, it isn't a message - it's a broken record! ;D ;D ;D

Kat wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:03am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:50am: This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site. Doesn't mean it's wrong, though. Stop shooting the messenger just because you don't like the message.

Our Andrei the shill or intel plant agent provocateur only ever responds with rhetoric - never defends or justifies with facts.

Others of course simply try to point the finger at someone else to distract and detract from the discussion point.  In this they are like the students they so despise jostling politicians who've just robbed them....

Just ignore them and offer your points...

Abbott worst PM in Australia history

It is a bit premature to announce this though he does seem to have a mortgage on Johns Title.

We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ????

Where's the credibility ???

I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like

stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school...

poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope...

they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D

didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER..

they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:33am:

We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ???? Where's the credibility ???

they tell us what labor was doing and trying to cover up....they are main stream media.. where they get sued for telling "LIES"..we call it facts.. but some dont do facts..they do hurt feelings anything for a quid you know..

havent seen Ackerman sued for quite a while even when he was telling us about gillard and the AWU?????... ;D ;D..

I guess you still dont believe anything was wrong with the running of the AWU.... ;D ;D

or dont you read about it...head in sand.. ;)

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:38am:

I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget.

We're talking about Tony, love - he's the biggest problem right now.... go back to sleep.

As for me - I've been on record forever as opposing the bloody lot of them - all the same and you should know why if you read my stuff.  Most of our esteemed users are neither left nor right - and really - only a very few of either 'side' actually post here - and usually both 'sides' are equally inane and parrot the approved line for their 'side'.

Hmm - where do you stand?  You have that Queenslund style of posting old homilies as facts....

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:38am:

I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget.

Yes dear, you and the rest of the conga line didn't spend six long years whining like banshees, did you? That would be hypocritical, wouldn't it dear? As for the people of Australia not liking Labor PMs, they hate the maggot women basher even more than the dud Shorten, now that's a real hate.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:43am:

cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:38am: I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget. We're talking about Tony, love - he's the biggest problem right now.... go back to sleep. As for me - I've been on record forever as opposing the bloody lot of them - all the same and you should know why if you read my stuff.  Most of our esteemed users are neither left nor right - and really - only a very few of either 'side' actually post here - and usually both 'sides' are equally inane and parrot the approved line for their 'side'. Hmm - where do you stand?  You have that Queenslund style of posting old homilies as facts....

go and take your meds sir whatever...you are the worst ever poster no one can understand a word you waffle on about...take a rest..I dont read your stuff cant stand ramble..sorry mate I know you mean well...but.....

we can all sit on the fence.... what a wonderful world if we did.. :D


which FACT are you disputing btw?....the fact that no one liked krudd and gillard... prove me wrong.

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:59am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:43am: cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:38am: I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget. We're talking about Tony, love - he's the biggest problem right now.... go back to sleep. As for me - I've been on record forever as opposing the bloody lot of them - all the same and you should know why if you read my stuff.  Most of our esteemed users are neither left nor right - and really - only a very few of either 'side' actually post here - and usually both 'sides' are equally inane and parrot the approved line for their 'side'. Hmm - where do you stand?  You have that Queenslund style of posting old homilies as facts.... go and take your meds sir whatever...you are the worst ever poster no one can understand a word you waffle on about...take a rest..I dont read your stuff cant stand ramble..sorry mate I know you mean well...but..... we can all sit on the fence.... what a wonderful world if we did.. :D which FACT are you disputing btw?....the fact that no one liked krudd and gillard... prove me wrong.

Yes dear, you don't read his stuff, you just quote it back to him. :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:28am:

Kat wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:03am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:50am: This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site. Doesn't mean it's wrong, though. Stop shooting the messenger just because you don't like the message. When it comes from a source like that, it isn't a message - it's a broken record! ;D ;D ;D

Oh, you mean like your oft-repeated maligning of Swan?

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:59am:

[ go and take your meds sir whatever...you are the worst ever poster no one can understand a word you waffle on about...take a rest..I dont read your stuff cant stand ramble.. .

You must have a severe case of self loathing then.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:28am:

Kat wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:03am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:50am: This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site. Doesn't mean it's wrong, though. Stop shooting the messenger just because you don't like the message. When it comes from a source like that, it isn't a message - it's a broken record! ;D ;D ;D

you idiot

the question was

Who do you think is the worst Prime Minister currently leading the Australian Government

How many PM's lead a government at any one time ? It was not meant to be taken seriously you fool ... no need to sh1t your pants 

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:59am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:43am: cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:38am: I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget. We're talking about Tony, love - he's the biggest problem right now.... go back to sleep. As for me - I've been on record forever as opposing the bloody lot of them - all the same and you should know why if you read my stuff.  Most of our esteemed users are neither left nor right - and really - only a very few of either 'side' actually post here - and usually both 'sides' are equally inane and parrot the approved line for their 'side'. Hmm - where do you stand?  You have that Queenslund style of posting old homilies as facts.... go and take your meds sir whatever...you are the worst ever poster no one can understand a word you waffle on about...take a rest..I dont read your stuff cant stand ramble..sorry mate I know you mean well...but..... we can all sit on the fence.... what a wonderful world if we did.. :D which FACT are you disputing btw?....the fact that no one liked krudd and gillard... prove me wrong.

do you even read the crap you put out?  ;D ;D ;D talk about waffle ......  :D :D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:50am:

This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site.

Exactly.

Until it's on The Pickering Post, I refuse to believe it.

Kat wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 9:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:28am: Kat wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:03am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:50am: This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site. Doesn't mean it's wrong, though. Stop shooting the messenger just because you don't like the message. When it comes from a source like that, it isn't a message - it's a broken record! ;D ;D ;D Oh, you mean like your oft-repeated maligning of Swan?

Six budgets
Six deficits

Took over a budget in surplus and delivered a debt in his first year.

Swan was an utter cretin.

Worst PM in history eh, and he beat Labor and is still in power. Come on trendies, when are you going to take him seriously? Just abusing him for 4 and a half years has done nothing. Until you take him seriously you'll stay in opposition. Free advice.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:33am:

We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ???? Where's the credibility ???

Bolt and Ackerman must abide by a code set by ACMA, i.e. they are accountable for what they publish, as is their editor. The source from the post at the top of this topic does not and is accountable to no one. Which do YOU think has more credibility?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:33am: We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ???? Where's the credibility ??? Bolt and Ackerman must abide by a code set by ACMA, i.e. they are accountable for what they publish, as is their editor. The source from the post at the top of this topic does not and is accountable to no one. Which do YOU think has more credibility?

Bolt and Ackerman, credibility?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:04am:

Worst PM in history eh, and he beat Labor and is still in power. Come on trendies, when are you going to take him seriously? Just abusing him for 4 and a half years has done nothing. Until you take him seriously you'll stay in opposition. Free advice.

Yes dear. He's still in power as  he is too gutless to keep his word and call a DD election. ::)

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:59am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:43am: cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:38am: I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget. We're talking about Tony, love - he's the biggest problem right now.... go back to sleep. As for me - I've been on record forever as opposing the bloody lot of them - all the same and you should know why if you read my stuff.  Most of our esteemed users are neither left nor right - and really - only a very few of either 'side' actually post here - and usually both 'sides' are equally inane and parrot the approved line for their 'side'. Hmm - where do you stand?  You have that Queenslund style of posting old homilies as facts.... go and take your meds sir whatever...you are the worst ever poster no one can understand a word you waffle on about...take a rest..I dont read your stuff cant stand ramble..sorry mate I know you mean well...but..... we can all sit on the fence.... what a wonderful world if we did.. :D which FACT are you disputing btw?....the fact that no one liked krudd and gillard... prove me wrong.

Madam!  I am hardly responsible for the rising tide of illiteracy and economic illiteracy and moral illiteracy and social illiteracy!

I blame the feminists exclusively for their introduction to the discussion arena of the politics of banshee-ism, hyperbole and ad-hominism, as well as the manufacturer of the female model who made the fatal mistake of installing not only a faulty chip brain, but a voice to go with it...

No wonder pilots turn off the warning sytem - "pull up".... "pull up".... a statement I believe was adapted from "pull out".... "pull out"... with a simple revision of the software....

And those supermarket machines - "please insert your card.. "PLEASE INSERT YOUR CARD"... leading to a response of "Shut up while I find it!"......

;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:01am:

Kat wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:28am: Kat wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:03am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:50am: This is from cjaustralia.com. A site that declares itself as proudly anti Abbott and anti Liberal party. It's just propaganda. Nothing more. This isn't news or from a credible site. Doesn't mean it's wrong, though. Stop shooting the messenger just because you don't like the message. When it comes from a source like that, it isn't a message - it's a broken record! ;D ;D ;D Oh, you mean like your oft-repeated maligning of Swan? Six budgets Six deficits Took over a budget in surplus and delivered a debt in his first year. Swan was an utter cretin.

a)  And Wonderboy Joe's first one isn't in deficit?

b)  And Wonderboy Joe's next six will not be in deficit?

c)  and any budget that runs loans is not in deficit?

d)  And this justifies torturing those with little how exactly?

Every time you mumble about accountancy ideas, Andrei - you show yourself for a fraud.

I take it you're going to tell us the company you work for is NOT in deficit annually, but runs a mega-profit without any debt?  And that the debt does not outweigh its annual income?

You see - that's what it's about - the total debt out-weighing the annual or budget period income - not the repayments outweighing the annual income - and we all know that in politics and in business it'[s all in the accounting standards and labeling.

Same as a house mortgage - while ever your debt outweighs your equity in the house - your account is in deficit - but that doesn't mean you are not keeping up the payments, and will not reach final payment day.

Bring on cods to tell me how hard that is to understand.... and you may now respond with .. "No... just no.. that is wrong".... and leave us hanging waiting for your wisdom in a valid answer.

Now - if we are going to argue about the level of borrowing - Wee Johnnie started the rot with his GST that forcibly borrowed from the Australian people massive amounts of money - and in doing so ruined the entire economic structure of the country through fiscal mismanagement on the grand scale.

Get back to me in twelve month's time when we see how much Wonderboy Joe borrows with his sky's the limit borrowing potential... and see if you hold him responsible....

But, of course, the whine will be "Oh - the other parties did this by not passing our vicious budget against the poor while protecting our rich mates, so our only solution was to borrow more than Labor ever did, and even though the figures on inflation and varying value of the dollar come into it for us, meaning it really costs less overall due to those factors and the dollar figure should not be viewed in isolation, we don't acknowledge it worked that way for them."

Abbott worst PM in Australian history and Hockey the worst Treasurer.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:54am:

cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:59am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:43am: cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:38am: I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget. We're talking about Tony, love - he's the biggest problem right now.... go back to sleep. As for me - I've been on record forever as opposing the bloody lot of them - all the same and you should know why if you read my stuff.  Most of our esteemed users are neither left nor right - and really - only a very few of either 'side' actually post here - and usually both 'sides' are equally inane and parrot the approved line for their 'side'. Hmm - where do you stand?  You have that Queenslund style of posting old homilies as facts.... go and take your meds sir whatever...you are the worst ever poster no one can understand a word you waffle on about...take a rest..I dont read your stuff cant stand ramble..sorry mate I know you mean well...but..... we can all sit on the fence.... what a wonderful world if we did.. :D which FACT are you disputing btw?....the fact that no one liked krudd and gillard... prove me wrong. Madam!  I am hardly responsible for the rising tide of illiteracy and economic illiteracy and moral illiteracy and social illiteracy! I blame the feminists exclusively for their introduction to the discussion arena of the politics of banshee-ism, hyperbole and ad-hominism, as well as the manufacturer of the female model who made the fatal mistake of installing not only a faulty chip brain, but a voice to go with it... No wonder pilots turn off the warning sytem - "pull up".... "pull up".... a statement I believe was adapted from "pull out".... "pull out"... with a simple revision of the software.... And those supermarket machines - "please insert your card.. "PLEASE INSERT YOUR CARD"... leading to a response of "Shut up while I find it!"...... ;D

SIR.. yet you are blaming Abbott for all the world ills... and he has only been there for 9 months...

you seem to blame everything bar yourself.. when you get to learn English then maybe I will be able to understand the jibberish..

in the mean time.. over and out..

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:33am: We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ???? Where's the credibility ??? Bolt and Ackerman must abide by a code set by ACMA, i.e. they are accountable for what they publish, as is their editor. The source from the post at the top of this topic does not and is accountable to no one. Which do YOU think has more credibility?

oh gawd the independent of course... they swear THOMO is innocent and are probably funding his appeal against the severity of his sentence.. ::) ::)

if they have any honor at all they will pay for the whole thing...they encouraged him to think he dun nuffink wrong after all..

it was all other people with no names.. ::) ::) ::)

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 12:40pm:

they swear THOMO is innocent and are probably funding his appeal against the severity of his sentence

did they?  they are?

You've got proof of this don't you?

John Smith wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:08am: Dnarever wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:33am: We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ???? Where's the credibility ??? Bolt and Ackerman must abide by a code set by ACMA, i.e. they are accountable for what they publish, as is their editor. The source from the post at the top of this topic does not and is accountable to no one. Which do YOU think has more credibility? Bolt and Ackerman, credibility?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Clearly you don't agree with them, but at least they're easily held accountable for what they say. That's far more than can be said for some of your laughable sources, such as IA, who are answerable to no one and can (and do) post utter garbage.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:33am: We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ???? Where's the credibility ??? Bolt and Ackerman must abide by a code set by ACMA, i.e. they are accountable for what they publish, as is their editor. The source from the post at the top of this topic does not and is accountable to no one. Which do YOU think has more credibility?

Which do YOU think has more credibility

In comparison to the two mentioned anyone and everyone.

cods wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 12:37pm:

SIR.. yet you are blaming Abbott for all the world ills... and he has only been there for 9 months... you seem to blame everything bar yourself.. when you get to learn English then maybe I will be able to understand the jibberish.. in the mean time.. over and out..

That's Gibberish.. G..ibberish...

If you care to look back at my posts you will find that I blame all politicians equally for all their evils and faults - now pray - let us concentrate on the rat pack at hand - the past ones will be dealt with in the fullness of time...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 1:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:08am: Dnarever wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:33am: We regularly see both Bolt and Ackerman re posted here and yet the conservatives complain about propaganda ???? Where's the credibility ??? Bolt and Ackerman must abide by a code set by ACMA, i.e. they are accountable for what they publish, as is their editor. The source from the post at the top of this topic does not and is accountable to no one. Which do YOU think has more credibility? Bolt and Ackerman, credibility?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Clearly you don't agree with them, but at least they're easily held accountable for what they say. That's far more than can be said for some of your laughable sources, such as IA, who are answerable to no one and can (and do) post utter garbage.

People in glass houses...

stick and stones may break my bones
but words can make me think I deserved it.

Abbott is a lousy PM. You would think the righties here would have realised by now that he has an agenda that excludes them as much as it excludes pensioners, students and the unemployed.

It is the Liberal Party only in name. In truth they are a neoconservative Party these days. Only rule for the 1%. They will see us in as much debt as America is (proportionately, of course.)

skippy. wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:58am:

cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:38am: I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget. Yes dear, you and the rest of the conga line didn't spend six long years whining like banshees, did you? That would be hypocritical, wouldn't it dear? As for the people of Australia not liking Labor PMs, they hate the maggot women basher even more than the dud Shorten, now that's a real hate.

Gillard was recently whining to other female world leaders and women in high offices (past and present) that they're judged on their looks and not their performance. It just shows how delusional and incredibly sexist the woman is - almost to the point of her being deranged! I hope one day she realises that the one and only reason for her appalling standing with the Australian public WAS in fact her lies, deceit and sheer incompetence.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 2:49pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:58am: cods wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 8:38am: I feel so sorry for lefties....this is all they have.. its like stick and stones may break my bones...when we were in school... poor souls..I am so sorry for you...when are you all leaving these shores... ;D ;D.. soon I hope... they didnt ask dumb questions when Labor was playing musical chairs with the PMistership.. did they...too embarrassed probably... ;D ;D didnt they notice not only did labor have trouble LIKING its own choice of PM....but also the people of Australia didnt like either of them...EITHER.. they got thrown out....BIG TIME. worst primary vote in 100 years.....HILARIOUS>. how soon they forget. Yes dear, you and the rest of the conga line didn't spend six long years whining like banshees, did you? That would be hypocritical, wouldn't it dear? As for the people of Australia not liking Labor PMs, they hate the maggot women basher even more than the dud Shorten, now that's a real hate. Gillard was recently whining to other female world leaders and women in high offices (past and present) that they're judged on their looks and not their performance. It just shows how delusional and incredibly sexist the woman is - almost to the point of her being deranged! I hope one day she realises that the one and only reason for her appalling standing with the Australian public WAS in fact her lies, deceit and sheer incompetence.

Link? Or it's a lie, office girl. The only world leader I saw complain about Gillard's treatment lately is Hilary Clinton, who said the conga line are fascist sexist pigs, but we already knew that.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 1:49pm:

Clearly you don't agree with them, but at least they're easily held accountable for what they say. That's far more than can be said for some of your laughable sources, such as IA, who are answerable to no one and can (and do) post utter garbage.

held to account? by whom? how many bullsh1t stories have bolt and his ilk run with just to have dickheads like you justify it because its not public money or its an opinion?

Do you even know what 'held to account' means?

Poor CJ Australia are obviously missing the illegal arrivals.
Six months without an illegal to slobber over must be getting to them.

John Smith wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 3:34pm:

Do you even know what 'held to account' means?

Yes. It means being dressed up as Colonel Klink on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and Alan calling your dead father to account at Liberal Party fundraisers.

We’re still a demokracy, you know.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in chsrge.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:04am:

Worst PM in history eh, and he beat Labor and is still in power.

Oh Misty my boy, please try to keep up.

He wasn't the PM when he beat Labor, and there has been no election since he became PM.

Put the lids back on the cleaning chemicals when you're done with them - the fumes can be quite hazardous.


http://holykaw.alltop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/40980939-media_httpmsnbcmedia4_EAEnG.jpg

Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 3:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:34pm: Do you even know what 'held to account' means? Yes. It means being dressed up as Colonel Klink on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and Alan calling your dead father to account at Liberal Party fundraisers. We’re still a demokracy, you know. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in chsrge.

but those examples are fine, they are opinion  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 3:52pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:34pm: Do you even know what 'held to account' means? Yes. It means being dressed up as Colonel Klink on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and Alan calling your dead father to account at Liberal Party fundraisers. We’re still a demokracy, you know. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in chsrge. but those examples are fine, they are opinion  :D :D :D :D

Opinion? Well, how about Kentucky-fried Gillard - all thighs, no breasts and a big red box?

That’s not opinion. That’s a fact.

Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 4:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:52pm: Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:34pm: Do you even know what 'held to account' means? Yes. It means being dressed up as Colonel Klink on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and Alan calling your dead father to account at Liberal Party fundraisers. We’re still a demokracy, you know. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in chsrge. but those examples are fine, they are opinion  :D :D :D :D Opinion? Well, how about Kentucky-fried Gillard - all thighs, no breasts and a big red box? That’s not opinion. That’s a fact.

how would Brough know the size of her box? I still say it's opinion.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 3:48pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Worst PM in history eh, and he beat Labor and is still in power. Oh Misty my boy, please try to keep up. He wasn't the PM when he beat Labor, and there has been no election since he became PM. Put the lids back on the cleaning chemicals when you're done with them - the fumes can be quite hazardous. http://holykaw.alltop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/40980939-media_httpmsnbcmedia4_EAEnG.jpg

Mistie looks very proffesorial in this picture. Here, he’s showing the correct proceedure for pushing the trolley: push with your hands, using your feet to take steps to ambulate the wheels of the trolley, thus. The trolley should then travel in a straight line at a speed determined by the level of force applied. It’s simple physics.

In the next lesson, they’ll look at trolley maintenance

John Smith wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 4:27pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 4:17pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:52pm: Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:34pm: Do you even know what 'held to account' means? Yes. It means being dressed up as Colonel Klink on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and Alan calling your dead father to account at Liberal Party fundraisers. We’re still a demokracy, you know. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in chsrge. but those examples are fine, they are opinion  :D :D :D :D Opinion? Well, how about Kentucky-fried Gillard - all thighs, no breasts and a big red box? That’s not opinion. That’s a fact. how would Brough know the size of her box? I still say it's opinion.

Fine. Alan asked Gillard if she should change her name to JuLiar because of her lie to the Australian people about the carbon tax.

That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Gillard became known as JuLiar from that day on.

Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 4:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 4:27pm: Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 4:17pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:52pm: Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:34pm: Do you even know what 'held to account' means? Yes. It means being dressed up as Colonel Klink on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and Alan calling your dead father to account at Liberal Party fundraisers. We’re still a demokracy, you know. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in chsrge. but those examples are fine, they are opinion  :D :D :D :D Opinion? Well, how about Kentucky-fried Gillard - all thighs, no breasts and a big red box? That’s not opinion. That’s a fact. how would Brough know the size of her box? I still say it's opinion. Fine. Alan asked Gillard if she should change her name to JuLiar because of her lie to the Australian people about the carbon tax. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Gillard became known as JuLiar from that day on.

With good reason  .... whereas Abbott is clearly only changing his opinion on pensions/taxes/education/health/etc  ... he never lied .. ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 3:48pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Worst PM in history eh, and he beat Labor and is still in power. Oh Misty my boy, please try to keep up. He wasn't the PM when he beat Labor, and there has been no election since he became PM. Put the lids back on the cleaning chemicals when you're done with them - the fumes can be quite hazardous. http://holykaw.alltop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/40980939-media_httpmsnbcmedia4_EAEnG.jpg

Trendies like yourself have been using the same tactic of abuse and sloganeering since he became opposition leader 4 and a half yeas ago. Where's it got you? Nowhere. Now you're an even more angry and abusive sodomite than before, and Abbott has the top job.

Still is a terrible PM. His agenda is pretty clear and doesn’t include you, yet you still defend the monkey?

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 8:35pm:

Still is a terrible PM. His agenda is pretty clear and doesn’t include you, yet you still defend the monkey?

Certainly no Public Musterer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3IaKVmkXuk

Just another bogus topic!!!

Grendel wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:42pm:

Just another bogus topic!!!

Well done.

Another well thought out, intelligent comment.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:48pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Worst PM in history eh, and he beat Labor and is still in power. Oh Misty my boy, please try to keep up. He wasn't the PM when he beat Labor, and there has been no election since he became PM. Put the lids back on the cleaning chemicals when you're done with them - the fumes can be quite hazardous. http://holykaw.alltop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/40980939-media_httpmsnbcmedia4_EAEnG.jpg Trendies like yourself have been using the same tactic of abuse and sloganeering since he became opposition leader 4 and a half yeas ago. Where's it got you? Nowhere. Now you're an even more angry and abusive sodomite than before, and Abbott has the top job.

Sodomite?

John Smith wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 4:43pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 4:27pm: Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 4:17pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:52pm: Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 3:34pm: Do you even know what 'held to account' means? Yes. It means being dressed up as Colonel Klink on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and Alan calling your dead father to account at Liberal Party fundraisers. We’re still a demokracy, you know. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in chsrge. but those examples are fine, they are opinion  :D :D :D :D Opinion? Well, how about Kentucky-fried Gillard - all thighs, no breasts and a big red box? That’s not opinion. That’s a fact. how would Brough know the size of her box? I still say it's opinion. Fine. Alan asked Gillard if she should change her name to JuLiar because of her lie to the Australian people about the carbon tax. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Gillard became known as JuLiar from that day on. With good reason  .... whereas Abbott is clearly only changing his opinion on pensions/taxes/education/health/etc  ... he never lied .. ;)

That’s exactly right. Mr Abbott is reliable and predicable. He’s our jobs and infrastructure prime minister, a prime minister for all Australians.

If Mr Abbott lied, he’d own up to it. That’s just the sort of man he is.

Anyway, he’d only ever lie if it was in our best interests, you can count on that.

LOL Labor supporters are still on an Abbott rampage instead of fixing their own crap up. How long has it been now  ;D . The longer they moan and whinge the longer the LIB's will hold power. Fix your own annihilated backyards first dingle berries.

ALP 54% to Lib 46. Party should have rebuilt, fresh blood, developed new policies. They deserve to lose next couple of elections, take stock, move back to moderate centre.

This neoconservative, religious party—bad news for the country, bad news for poor and powerless.

It is no longer the party of Menzies, not even the party of Howard!

Abbott the half time Australian leading Australia, time we took a look at ourselves!

I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right?

Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’

RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”.

Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying.

Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”.

http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 3:00am:

LOL Labor supporters are still on an Abbott rampage instead of fixing their own crap up. How long has it been now  ;D . The longer they moan and whinge the longer the LIB's will hold power. Fix your own annihilated backyards first dingle berries.

Sorry, but Labor and its supporters have very little to 'fix'.

Unlike the current shambles.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:39am:

I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right? Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’ RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”. Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying. Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”. http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555

oucchhh ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 3:00am:

LOL Labor supporters are still on an Abbott rampage instead of fixing their own crap up. How long has it been now  ;D . The longer they moan and whinge the longer the LIB's will hold power. Fix your own annihilated backyards first dingle berries.

You must have missed Abbott and his supporters whinging and moaning their way to power over the prior 6 years.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:39am:

I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right? Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’ RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”. Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying. Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”. http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555

I'll pretend to be Grendel, " oh she is just a left wing prog Liberal party hater". Oops she is a Liberal member, boofy. ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:42pm: Just another bogus topic!!! Well done. Another well thought out, intelligent comment.

I like to keep it simple for the likes of people that actually believe this crap.   :D ;D :D ;D :D

skippy. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 10:35am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:39am: I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right? Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’ RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”. Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying. Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”. http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555 I'll pretend to be Grendel, " oh she is just a left wing prog Liberal party hater". Oops she is a Liberal member, boofy. ;D ;D ;D

Miss me so much you have to pretend to be me to answer your own strawmen eh?

Don't do that...

She is a wet, a prog....  she and Malcolm would do well in the ALP.  Hell she might even fit in with the Greens...  ::) ::) ::)

Unlike the ALP members are allowed to disagree and cross the floor in the Libs.  It would seem they truly are a broad church...  unlike the Greens of course who allow no dissent and carry on like ignorant children.

Grendel wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 11:28am:

skippy. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 10:35am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:39am: I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right? Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’ RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”. Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying. Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”. http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555 I'll pretend to be Grendel, " oh she is just a left wing prog Liberal party hater". Oops she is a Liberal member, boofy. ;D ;D ;D She is a wet, a prog....  she and Malcolm would do well in the ALP.  Hell she might even fit in with the Greens...  ::) ::) ::) ;D .

LOL right on cue, I hate to say I told you so but...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"a prog"

When the last of the traditional Liberals leave the Liberal Party they can then move on from the past and change the name to the Tea Party which will be a truer representation of their modern hard line ultra conservationism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpcfy2ZXtew

Grendel wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 11:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:50pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:42pm: Just another bogus topic!!! Well done. Another well thought out, intelligent comment. I like to keep it simple.

Yes.

skippy. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:28am: skippy. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 10:35am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:39am: I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right? Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’ RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”. Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying. Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”. http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555 I'll pretend to be Grendel, " oh she is just a left wing prog Liberal party hater". Oops she is a Liberal member, boofy. ;D ;D ;D She is a wet, a prog....  she and Malcolm would do well in the ALP.  Hell she might even fit in with the Greens...  ::) ::) ::) ;D . LOL right on cue, I hate to say I told you so but...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Face it Skippy about the only time you get anything right is when you quote me ::) ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:28pm:

"a prog"

yeast...  a prog
wassup?  totally ignorant?

"a prog"

Grendel wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 1:53pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:01pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:28am: skippy. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 10:35am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:39am: I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right? Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’ RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”. Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying. Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”. http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555 I'll pretend to be Grendel, " oh she is just a left wing prog Liberal party hater". Oops she is a Liberal member, boofy. ;D ;D ;D She is a wet, a prog....  she and Malcolm would do well in the ALP.  Hell she might even fit in with the Greens...  ::) ::) ::) ;D . LOL right on cue, I hate to say I told you so but...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Face it Skippy about the only time you get anything right is when you quote me ::) ::) ::)

This forum needs a quotes thread where the funniest quotes get moved to, boofy would star there.
  :-?

skippy. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 1:53pm: skippy. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:01pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:28am: skippy. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 10:35am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 7:39am: I wonder how many other Lib ministers believe that Abbott has taken them too far to the right? Retiring Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as ‘a sexist’ RETIRING Liberal senator Sue Boyce has described Prime Minister Tony Abbott as “a sexist” and says the coalition has been “dog whistling” with its asylum seeker policies. Speaking on her departure from federal parliament at the end of the month, Senator Boyce has told Fairfax Media she thinks Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech was “powerful” and within context, “brilliant”. Some of the coalition's older MPs still “yearned for the life when proper mothers stayed home and looked after the children and proper fathers who had their slippers handed to them”, Fairfax quoted her as saying. Senator Boyce said she was concerned by the government swinging too far to the right, particularly on issues such as asylum seekers, action against climate change and same-sex marriage. “I think the whole asylum seeker issue is sort of fraught with dog whistling,” she said, adding that she did not appreciate the language used by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, particularly the term “illegal maritime arrivals”. http://www.news.com.au/national/retiring-liberal-senator-sue-boyce-has-described-prime-minister-tony-abbott-as-a-sexist/story-fncynjr2-1229662680555 I'll pretend to be Grendel, " oh she is just a left wing prog Liberal party hater". Oops she is a Liberal member, boofy. ;D ;D ;D She is a wet, a prog....  she and Malcolm would do well in the ALP.  Hell she might even fit in with the Greens...  ::) ::) ::) ;D . LOL right on cue, I hate to say I told you so but...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Face it Skippy about the only time you get anything right is when you quote me ::) ::) ::) This forum needs a quotes thread where the funniest quotes get moved to, boofy would star there.   :-?

Done!  See Relationships.

http://cartoonmick.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/140620-pensioners-prayer.jpg

Monkey HAS to be returned to the zoo and SOON!

Picking on the old, the sick, the young and the powerless and creating a recession because of it cannot be allowed to go on. Australia is the land of the fair go, so why is this fascist/neoconservative regime being defended here?

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott is the worst, a puppet and his extreme measures will destroy the economy.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

I thought keating was one of our better PM's

Tony wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:04am:

Abbott is the worst, a puppet and his extreme measures will destroy the economy.

Only in your small, Tony-hating mind. He's still there, Labor aren't! ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. I thought keating was one of our better PM's

$96bn debt, recession we "had to have", called us "arse end of the world" and called Malaysian leader "recalcitrant" to name just a few of his achievements!

Hasn’t been a year yet.

But the Libs are now radical neoconservatives, no longer Liberal in any shape or form. The Budget is going to hurt a lot of people while the 1% will keep on soaking up $150Bn a year in govt largess.

Tony wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:11am:

Hasn’t been a year yet. But the Libs are now radical neoconservatives, no longer Liberal in any shape or form. The Budget is going to hurt a lot of people while the 1% will keep on soaking up $150Bn a year in govt largess.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gcA0ZuKGkI8/S0iXdwgPDLI/AAAAAAAAFdw/CYJYbsVycq4/s400/head_up_your_ass2.jpg

So, you are conceding the argument?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 2:13pm:

"a prog"

Maybe he means a cattle prog....

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. I thought keating was one of our better PM's

I don't think we've had one that I would consider good in my living memory - all have lead this country down the garden path while growing fat on the proceeds of the economic and social death of Australia - sucking deeply on the juices of the dead so to speak.....

The simple fact is that not one of them would have been elected President in a popular election.... that's my yardstick...

Second yardstick is "Would you follow this (insert gender term) into battle?"

So:-

a)  Would you elect Tony or Bill President if we had a PopEl tomorrow?

b)  Would you follow Tony or Bill into battle tomorrow?

c)  (My Wee Johnnie question from way back now)  If you saw this (insert gender) standing on the corner of George and Market Streets handing out leaflets that say "We Must Go To War With Iraq!" (etc - insert issue e,g, Julia and "We Must Stamp Out Misogyny!")... would you even stop to consider what they were saying?  Or would you just walk on and go about your business, thinking - "Another nutter!".

THAT, my children is the reality of our elected representatives...

Add in any politician's name you like there and get back to me...

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D

Damn AP - even you and I agree sometimes!  The world never ceases to amaze me....

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D

Hope is already lost for you. You refuse to admit that Abbott has problems of his own making.

Oh, and another point - exclamation marks are not a substitute for rational argument.

I am just wondering when Abbott will be forced to stand down and if he will go willingly or put up a fight. I would love to see a Leader ship scuffle like Gillard Rudd. The only thing keeping him in as PM at the moment is his blind ignorance of how much the Australian people dispise him and the mob mentality of his own party.

Don't for one minute think that the likes of Malcom Turnbull and Julie Bishop are not concerned that his belligerence is not trashing the Coalition Brand and that they could indeed do a better job.

I give him another year before the party comes to its senses and asks him to step aside. If he refuses I give the party another year before it faces electoral defeat and we are lumped with a shambolic Labor party again.
Even so I bet the Australian people are looking back on Gillard and Rudd with tearful nostalgia and wishing they had not voted this party in. I knew that this would be the result of a Coalition government, I also knew that had Labor been retained the country would be facing bankruptcy by now.

Either way damned if you do damned if you don't. 
It does not matter which one is in power they are both equally incompetent when it comes to running the nation.
I think a 12 year old girl guides group could do a better job !

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Hope is already lost for you. You refuse to admit that Abbott has problems of his own making. Oh, and another point - exclamation marks are not a substitute for rational argument.

All the media did was to highlight Gillard's numerous failings - they certainly didn't cause them. That didn't stop Conroy from trying to go all Stalinist on the media in his attempts to censor the bad news!

Some nice hyperbowl:


Quote:

I also knew that had Labor been retained the country would be facing bankruptcy by now.

Actually, the Budget would have been passed now. It would not seek to deprive young unemployed of any assistance. It would have further reduced the huge rorts allowing the wealthy to avoid tax, would have moved against asset millionaire old age pensioners  and tightened FBT rules. Holden and Toyota would likely not be leaving Australia and spending would be enough to prevent recession.

This incompetent worse than shambles haven’t even put up half the Budget Bills yet so their projections are already wrong!

A sovereign nation like Australia with its own currency can’t go bankrupt.

Tony wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:28am:

So, you are conceding the argument?

...  and you had one?  :D :D :D :D :D
No just commenting on your lack of a clue.

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.  Despite the media?  :D :D :D If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. I'd prefer something substantial; like bad policy or bad implementation or a dysfunctional government party room, etc... gee I wonder who is streets ahead now then eh?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Damn AP - even you and I agree sometimes!  The world never ceases to amaze me....

I thought they were all Abbott fault..lol.. didnt she blame the tooth fairy at one time as well... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I love it when they blame everything onto someone else.......and boy labor are so good at it...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D

Well most of them smacking were.

And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support.

Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more.

Kat wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Well most of them smacking were. And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support. Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more.

Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted.
She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics.

Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Well most of them smacking were. And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support. Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more. Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted. She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics.

Why do you bother with el grubbo  grendal it's wanker!  ;)

Gillard was one of our greatest PMs.

Achieved heaps despite backstabbing from Rudd & his group and a totally negative opposition and a hung Parliament. Yet pushed through a huge reform agenda. We were leaders, the envied, the wonder economy.

Now we are rapidly approaching pariah nation status and Abbott is widely regarded as a joke inside and outside Australia.

teddybear wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:00pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm: Kat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Well most of them smacking were. And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support. Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more. Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted. She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics. Why do you bother with el grubbo  grendal it's person!  ;)

Why don't you smack off, sock-troll?

You should have been banned (again) by now.

Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted. She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics.

Indeed, imagine if she had a Peta Credlin instead of John McTernan.

The real Julia lol.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Gillard was one of our greatest PMs. Achieved heaps despite backstabbing from Rudd & his group and a totally negative opposition and a hung Parliament. Yet pushed through a huge reform agenda. We were leaders, the envied, the wonder economy. Now we are rapidly approaching pariah nation status and Abbott is widely regarded as a joke inside and outside Australia.

Pariah nation status?  When you over egg your abuse you end up looking like a dill. 

Kat wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:01pm:

teddybear wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 2:00pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm: Kat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Well most of them smacking were. And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support. Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more. Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted. She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics. Why do you bother with el grubbo  grendal it's person!  ;) Why don't you smack off, sock-troll? You should have been banned (again) by now.

Bit touchy today jimmy   ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:08pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 12:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Hope is already lost for you. You refuse to admit that Abbott has problems of his own making. Oh, and another point - exclamation marks are not a substitute for rational argument. All the media did was to highlight Gillard's numerous failings - they certainly didn't cause them. That didn't stop Conroy from trying to go all Stalinist on the media in his attempts to censor the bad news!

Your grip on reality is tenuous at best.

All that was proposed was making the print media accountable. I see no harm in putting in place laws that would make the print media accountable if they printed blatant lies. The broadcast media have had the same rules in place for years and they can still broadcast what they want - it just that if they tell lies they can be brought to account.

fractalign wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:

I am just wondering when Abbott will be forced to stand down and if he will go willingly or put up a fight. I would love to see a Leader ship scuffle like Gillard Rudd. The only thing keeping him in as PM at the moment is his blind ignorance of how much the Australian people dispise him and the mob mentality of his own party. Don't for one minute think that the likes of Malcom Turnbull and Julie Bishop are not concerned that his belligerence is not trashing the Coalition Brand and that they could indeed do a better job. I give him another year before the party comes to its senses and asks him to step aside. If he refuses I give the party another year before it faces electoral defeat and we are lumped with a shambolic Labor party again. Even so I bet the Australian people are looking back on Gillard and Rudd with tearful nostalgia and wishing they had not voted this party in. I knew that this would be the result of a Coalition government, I also knew that had Labor been retained the country would be facing bankruptcy by now. Either way damned if you do damned if you don't.  It does not matter which one is in power they are both equally incompetent when it comes to running the nation. I think a 12 year old girl guides group could do a better job !

We've had media speculation about Abbott's leadership already, but IMO this is premature. It would take several months of sustained bad opinion polling before the backbenchers of the Liberal party started getting restless. Gillard weathered bad polling for more than two years and survived one spill before being defeated at another. It's reasonable to guess that Abbott will also hang on for some time if the polls remain bad for the Liberals.

The real dilemmas for the Liberals are:
(1) Do they change leader at all? They lambasted Labor for changing their leader twice in six years. For the Liberals to do the same at the drop of a few bad polls smacks of hypocrisy.
(2) If a change is on the cards, do they move on Abbott sooner or later? Changing sooner would give a new leader more time to become established, a later change would give Abbott more time to repair his standing with the electorate.
(3) Will Abbott step down willingly or must he be pushed?

My guess - they won't make any move this year, hoping for better polls. I think they are pinning their hopes on the Royal Commission into union corruption in the hopes that they can find something to pin on Shorten - while also quietly hoping that ICAC doesn't reveal other matters of corruption that can be linked to Abbott or other senior Liberals.

Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:45pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.  Despite the media?  :D :D :D If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. I'd prefer something substantial; like bad policy or bad implementation or a dysfunctional government party room, etc... gee I wonder who is streets ahead now then eh?

It is foolish to cherrypick those areas where in your opinion the Liberals may yet be doing okay when these are not the criteria that the wider community appear to be using to formulate their opinions. Numerous broken promises have harmed the Liberal party's standing, several proven lies have harmed Abbott's, and Abbott's performance in general has been lacklustre. It is not for no reason that the Coalition are behind in the polls.

Bam—one other point:

4. Who do they change too? Turnbull only if they really are on the rocks, so if not Turnbull—who?

teddybear wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 2:01pm: teddybear wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 2:00pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm: Kat wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:52pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Well most of them smacking were. And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support. Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more. Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted. She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics. Why do you bother with el grubbo  grendal it's person!  ;) Why don't you smack off, sock-troll? You should have been banned (again) by now. Bit touchy today jimmy   ;D ;D

No. Just not in the mood to suffer fools.

I heard question time today and tony is sounding better,
getting a bit more confident.
the labor side still sounded shrill and emotional.
may be hope for tony yet

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 1:18pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpcfy2ZXtew

You've gotta watch it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!!

Media bias was one of the primary factors, certainly a long way from the only one but still very relivant.

Abbott is better than Rudd or Gillard so he can't be the worst.

Datalife wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:55pm: Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted. She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics. Indeed, imagine if she had a Peta Credlin instead of John McTernan. The real Julia lol.

Personally I don't think Credlin is a big step up.

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:08pm: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 12:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing. If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! ;D Hope is already lost for you. You refuse to admit that Abbott has problems of his own making. Oh, and another point - exclamation marks are not a substitute for rational argument. All the media did was to highlight Gillard's numerous failings - they certainly didn't cause them. That didn't stop Conroy from trying to go all Stalinist on the media in his attempts to censor the bad news! Your grip on reality is tenuous at best. All that was proposed was making the print media accountable. I see no harm in putting in place laws that would make the print media accountable if they printed blatant lies. The broadcast media have had the same rules in place for years and they can still broadcast what they want - it just that if they tell lies they can be brought to account.

Get real...  Conroy the Greens and the ALP in general wanted to silence the media from scrutinising them.  Conservatives have to put up with media bias but the luvvies who cannot tolerate dissent wanted to put and end to it.

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 3:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:45pm: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.  Despite the media?  :D :D :D If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. I'd prefer something substantial; like bad policy or bad implementation or a dysfunctional government party room, etc... gee I wonder who is streets ahead now then eh? It is foolish to cherrypick those areas where in your opinion the Liberals may yet be doing okay when these are not the criteria that the wider community appear to be using to formulate their opinions. Numerous broken promises have harmed the Liberal party's standing, several proven lies have harmed Abbott's, and Abbott's performance in general has been lacklustre. It is not for no reason that the Coalition are behind in the polls.

I'll make valid comments on what I like thanks.
Most parties are inevitably behind after tough budgets...  how old are you? 7?

Budget is still ongoing—half the Bills making up the Budget haven’t been introduced into the HoR yet!

Howard’s first Budget was seen as tough but fair and right. He actually got a lift in the polls!

This Budget is a botch and is seen as unfair. Confidence slumped after its introduction and wallets and purses slammed shut. If they aren’t real careful there will be a major recession.

Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Most parties are inevitably behind after tough budgets...  how old are you? 7?

but Abbott was behind long before the budget came out


how old are you?

Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 3:23pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:45pm: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.  Despite the media?  :D :D :D If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. I'd prefer something substantial; like bad policy or bad implementation or a dysfunctional government party room, etc... gee I wonder who is streets ahead now then eh? It is foolish to cherrypick those areas where in your opinion the Liberals may yet be doing okay when these are not the criteria that the wider community appear to be using to formulate their opinions. Numerous broken promises have harmed the Liberal party's standing, several proven lies have harmed Abbott's, and Abbott's performance in general has been lacklustre. It is not for no reason that the Coalition are behind in the polls. I'll make valid comments on what I like thanks.

I would prefer that you stick to the facts.


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Most parties are inevitably behind after tough budgets...  how old are you? 7?

So the budget was handed down last November, was it? ::)

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 4:12pm:

Bam—one other point: 4. Who do they change too? Turnbull only if they really are on the rocks, so if not Turnbull—who?

Good point

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:27pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 4:12pm: Bam—one other point: 4. Who do they change too? Turnbull only if they really are on the rocks, so if not Turnbull—who? Good point

Grappler Party open for membership and nominations for ALL seats - even if we don't make it, we'll let everyone know we were there and prepared to put up rather than shut up.

Not going to namby-pamby around and show weakness by only trying for a few Senate seats etc,  and not challenging the bastards full-on.

All or nothing!

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Abbott is better than Rudd or Gillard so he can't be the worst.

As far as number of verbatim deceits he certainly is in front!

The budget wont be his downfall (though his selling of it might).
he shouldn't go down the route of trying to weasel out of it.
people don't mind pain if you are honest.
Just say, "this is your medicine, take it, its good for you"
people will respect that.
deep down they knew Rudd and Gillard and their reckless spending was unsustainable.
What is unsustainable for tony is to try and PRETEND it wont hurt.
Chemo always hurts, slashing out a cancer with sharp steel hurts.
But people will cop those, they'll line up for it and they'll thank you if they can see its for their own good.
And solving the "debt and deficit disaster" is for their own good and they know it.
Get Morrison to sell it ;)

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Abbott is better than Rudd or Gillard so he can't be the worst.

What colour is the sky in your world?

Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:50pm:

Get real...  Conroy the Greens and the ALP in general wanted to silence the media from scrutinising them.  Conservatives have to put up with media bias but the luvvies who cannot tolerate dissent wanted to put and end to it.

Conroy the Greens and the ALP in general wanted to silence the media from scrutinising them

How do you come to that conclusion ?

Conservatives have to put up with media bias

Yes they never complained once at the unreserved support from the main stream media.

But don't they chuck a tizzy about any unbiased media reporting which they perceive as being anti Liberal.

Wait a minute haven't the conservatives been going on about the ABC for a few decades and even the ABC at large come out in their favour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAc2vlU5ZPs

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

The budget wont be his downfall (though his selling of it might). he shouldn't go down the route of trying to weasel out of it. people don't mind pain if you are honest. Just say, "this is your medicine, take it, its good for you" people will respect that. deep down they knew Rudd and Gillard and their reckless spending was unsustainable. What is unsustainable for tony is to try and PRETEND it wont hurt. Chemo always hurts, slashing out a cancer with sharp steel hurts. But people will cop those, they'll line up for it and they'll thank you if they can see its for their own good. And solving the "debt and deficit disaster" is for their own good and they know it. Get Morrison to sell it ;)

There is no debt and deficit disaster. Revenue needs to be boosted—undo the last 2-3 tax cuts, get rid of the tax expenditures or a mix of both.

The reason the Budget is so unpopular is because it is a blatant lie and blatantly unfair. It clearly is class warfare by the rich against the poor.

Even John Edwards, RBA board member agrees with me:

Spending is not the problem.

RBA board member on Lateline last night demolished the entire justification for the Budget and “Budget Emergency.”

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4032413.htm

This Budget, like Abbott is a turd and you cannot polish a turd no matter how hard you try.

Tony wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

people don't mind pain if you are honest.

I'm sure they will be well p1ssed off and rightly so.

People left with no unemployment support will mind. They will mind because Tony keeps wasting billions of dollars on fighter jets and watching the politicians screw them into the ground whilst they take more and more from the pie.

They will mind when they are told to pay exorbitant uni and TAFE fees whilst Abbott's daughter gets her course for free from Liberal Party donations.

The poor will always mind when the bankers, the miners and big business get tax breaks. People will mind when irresponsible companies get bailed out only to go down the same path leading to more bailouts.

People don't mind if the pain is shared right across the board, it's not and never will be under a right wing government.

Abbott is a self confessed liar. He can't be honest even with himself let alone the people.

Tony wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24th, 2014 at 7:04am: The budget wont be his downfall (though his selling of it might). he shouldn't go down the route of trying to weasel out of it. people don't mind pain if you are honest. Just say, "this is your medicine, take it, its good for you" people will respect that. deep down they knew Rudd and Gillard and their reckless spending was unsustainable. What is unsustainable for tony is to try and PRETEND it wont hurt. Chemo always hurts, slashing out a cancer with sharp steel hurts. But people will cop those, they'll line up for it and they'll thank you if they can see its for their own good. And solving the "debt and deficit disaster" is for their own good and they know it. Get Morrison to sell it ;) There is no debt and deficit disaster. Revenue needs to be boosted—undo the last 2-3 tax cuts, get rid of the tax expenditures or a mix of both. The reason the Budget is so unpopular is because it is a blatant lie and blatantly unfair. It clearly is class warfare by the rich against the poor. Even John Edwards, RBA board member agrees with me: Spending is not the problem. RBA board member on Lateline last night demolished the entire justification for the Budget and “Budget Emergency.” http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4032413.htm This Budget, like Abbott is a turd and you cannot polish a turd no matter how hard you try.

There is a debt and deficit disaster in the minds of the public and you cant undo that, and that's all that counts.
Swanny kept promising surpluses but could not deliver.
In the minds of the public, therefore, BOTH sides are promoting the idea of surplus being a good idea.

We did well in the GFC not because of swans spending but because our major trading partners in asia kept growing.
This , too, will come to an end.
If it does, and if abbott commits to the big spends on gonski, NDIS, hospitals, infrastructure...then there will be a "debt and deficit disaster"
Its hard to argue with the fact that labor has left abbott paying a billion a month in dead interest on the debt.
The public understand this, they know that interest on your credit card is dead money.
That's the turd you cant polish my friend

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

The budget wont be his downfall (though his selling of it might). he shouldn't go down the route of trying to weasel out of it. people don't mind pain if you are honest. Just say, "this is your medicine, take it, its good for you" people will respect that. deep down they knew Rudd and Gillard and their reckless spending was unsustainable. What is unsustainable for tony is to try and PRETEND it wont hurt. Chemo always hurts, slashing out a cancer with sharp steel hurts. But people will cop those, they'll line up for it and they'll thank you if they can see its for their own good. And solving the "debt and deficit disaster" is for their own good and they know it. Get Morrison to sell it ;)

Its not for the good of anyone of low income . . . .

SOB

aquascoot wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

The budget wont be his downfall (though his selling of it might).

Abbott can't negotiate. Crash through or crash is Abbott's style. Crash through or crash brought Whitlam undone. It will bring down Abbott just as surely. The difference is that Whitlam actually won a DD election. Abbott hasn't the balls to call one because the Liberals would lose with him as leader.

He's not going to get many of his budget measures through the Senate and it's his fault and the fault of his party. His party's 2014 budget was just a series of ambit claims anyway (as most budgets are in reality), but he hasn't recognised this. The only choices offered are take it or leave it. Where's the room for compromise?

The Senate has every right to block measures that are broken promises (Abbott's Liberals did this in Opposition) and block measures that each party considers to be bad policy regardless of mandates (Abbott's Liberals also did this in Opposition). It is so good watching Abbott getting hoist by his own petard.


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people don't mind pain if you are honest.

Abbott isn't honest, he is a proven liar.


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Just say, "this is your medicine, take it, its good for you" people will respect that.

Abbott's 60% disapproval rating on multiple polls demonstrates the lie of this proposition.


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deep down they knew Rudd and Gillard and their reckless spending was unsustainable.

That is a lie. Excess spending was inherited from Howard and they spent several years cutting back on Howard's waste. Federal government spending as a percentage of GDP fell during Swan's tenure, and Swan was the first Treasurer since Keating to deliver a fall in government spending in raw dollar terms. To claim that Labor's spending was out of control is a barefaced lie. The budget problem is caused by falling revenue, not excess spending. We can fix by cutting back on tens of billions of dollars in unsustainable tax concessions.


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What is unsustainable for tony is to try and PRETEND it wont hurt. Chemo always hurts, slashing out a cancer with sharp steel hurts. But people will cop those, they'll line up for it and they'll thank you if they can see its for their own good. And solving the "debt and deficit disaster" is for their own good and they know it. Get Morrison to sell it ;)

Can't sell a dog turd.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Tony wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:50am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 24th, 2014 at 7:04am: The budget wont be his downfall (though his selling of it might). he shouldn't go down the route of trying to weasel out of it. people don't mind pain if you are honest. Just say, "this is your medicine, take it, its good for you" people will respect that. deep down they knew Rudd and Gillard and their reckless spending was unsustainable. What is unsustainable for tony is to try and PRETEND it wont hurt. Chemo always hurts, slashing out a cancer with sharp steel hurts. But people will cop those, they'll line up for it and they'll thank you if they can see its for their own good. And solving the "debt and deficit disaster" is for their own good and they know it. Get Morrison to sell it ;) There is no debt and deficit disaster. Revenue needs to be boosted—undo the last 2-3 tax cuts, get rid of the tax expenditures or a mix of both. The reason the Budget is so unpopular is because it is a blatant lie and blatantly unfair. It clearly is class warfare by the rich against the poor. Even John Edwards, RBA board member agrees with me: Spending is not the problem. RBA board member on Lateline last night demolished the entire justification for the Budget and “Budget Emergency.” http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4032413.htm This Budget, like Abbott is a turd and you cannot polish a turd no matter how hard you try. There is a debt and deficit disaster in the minds of the public and you cant undo that, and that's all that counts.

Bullsht - all Hockey and Abbott has to do was repeat the "budget emergency" LIE 100 times and the public bought it.

How much more convincing would it be to repeat the TRUTH of falling tax revenue 100 times.


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Swanny kept promising surpluses but could not deliver.

He could have delivered one if he made these hard decisions (among others):
* Abolish negative gearing (blatant rort)
* Abolish or cap superannuation tax concessions (blatant rort)
* Abolish tax concessions for the mining industry (reduce stimulation on a part of the economy that is least in need of it)
* Abolish tax concessions for discretionary trusts (blatant rort)
* Abolish private health insurance rebate (waste of money)
* Reverse the tax cuts in Costello's last two budgets (permanent tax cuts paid for by temporary tax windfalls)


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In the minds of the public, therefore, BOTH sides are promoting the idea of surplus being a good idea.

Do you know where the idea of a surplus budget being a good idea came from? The WHITLAM government. They were the first government that advocated this position. And they were the ONLY government since the Second World War that delivered a budget surplus in every year that they were in office.


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We did well in the GFC not because of swans spending but because our major trading partners in asia kept growing. This , too, will come to an end. If it does, and if abbott commits to the big spends on gonski, NDIS, hospitals, infrastructure...then there will be a "debt and deficit disaster" Its hard to argue with the fact that labor has left abbott paying a billion a month in dead interest on the debt. The public understand this, they know that interest on your credit card is dead money. That's the turd you cant polish my friend

While the Federal budget leaks 100 billion dollars a year in revenue due to wasteful and unsustainable tax concessions? As long as these are not axed, the budget will always be a turd.

(continuing Abbott Crash Investigations)....


Investigators check  maintenance and construction logs for the SuperBudget A2014 while they wait for the fires to burn down... and find that during the construction phase, input was included from several long term and even retired Budget technicians....though some of this advice was considered suspect, it was, however, only in an advisory capacity and was not binding on any facet of construction of the A2014... so investigators put that aside pending further investigation.

They find some interesting records.. it seems that Captain Abbott had made certain specifications with regard to the A2014 BEFORE it was set in place and built.... and it seems that, even when he had a major hand in the process...... he later changed his mind !

Again, while this mystified investigators.. it gave no real signs as to why the A2014 had suddenly turned on its builders, including Captain Abbott, and crashed and burned..... they would need to look elsewhere.....

Fortunately dedicated and Unionised firemen, working round the clock without penalty rates and armed with hoses and axes, had discovered the black boxes.. intact but affected by smoke and flames.... and there were concerns that the high temperatures from the uncontrolled burning of the PPL fuel in use had damaged them and made them unusable....

The black boxes are quickly rushed to the CSIRO, where a reduced staff following the Brain Drain, after finding someone still working there who knows how to open the black boxes, quickly find that the recordings are usable, though some historical data seemed to have disappeared completely.  ASAFIB investigators settle down to study the content of the black boxes... replaying them over and over again.

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:53pm: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 3:23pm: Grendel wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:45pm: Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am: Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list. Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.  Despite the media?  :D :D :D If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence. I'd prefer something substantial; like bad policy or bad implementation or a dysfunctional government party room, etc... gee I wonder who is streets ahead now then eh? It is foolish to cherrypick those areas where in your opinion the Liberals may yet be doing okay when these are not the criteria that the wider community appear to be using to formulate their opinions. Numerous broken promises have harmed the Liberal party's standing, several proven lies have harmed Abbott's, and Abbott's performance in general has been lacklustre. It is not for no reason that the Coalition are behind in the polls. I'll make valid comments on what I like thanks. I would prefer that you stick to the facts.  i do... Quote: Most parties are inevitably behind after tough budgets...  how old are you? 7? So the budget was handed down last November, was it? ::)  And here I was thinking we were talking about the current polls... :D :D :D