Australia's past two years the hottest on record, Climate Council says

Australia has experienced its hottest two-year period ever recorded as the country feels the impact of climate change, a report released today finds.

Australia in the second half of 2014 will probably have an El Nino event, which often brings drought, extreme heat and bushfire risk to rural areas, according to the Climate Council, relaunched as a nonprofit group after Prime Minister Tony Abbott scrapped the government's Climate Commission last year.

"El Nino exacerbates the longer-term warming trend," Will Steffen, a researcher at the Australian National University in Canberra who helped compile the report, said. "People have been saying, hasn't the warming trend stopped? In no way has it stopped. If anything it has intensified."

Deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are needed to limit an increase in extreme weather, including heat waves, drought and bush fires, according to a study from the group earlier this year. The government accepts the science of climate change and is committed to meeting its promised 5 percent reduction in emissions by 2020, Environment Minister Greg Hunt said in April.

Australia's climate change plans are in the spotlight because Abbott is hosting meetings of the Group of 20 nations this year. The US has encouraged Australia's prime minister to include climate change on the G-20 agenda.

"The real policy question is what plan does the government and the opposition have for decarbonizing the Australian economy around mid-century," Steffen said. "The 2020 target is pretty immaterial. The long-term target is what's very important to hit, and as far as I can see we don't have clarity from either side of politics about what they're going to do."

Record May

The 24 months through April set an Australian record for the hottest average temperature over a two-year period, the Climate Council said. Sydney had 19 straight days with temperatures of at least 22 degrees Celsius (71.6 degrees Fahrenheit) between May 10 and May 28, 10 days longer than the previous record, according to the council.

Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide also broke records for the number of consecutive days with temperatures of 20 degrees Celsius or above in May, according to the council.

The Abbott-led government has vowed to replace Australia's carbon levy with an alternative program that would provide funds to companies and projects that reduce emissions. The government plans to get rid of the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corp., set up by Abbott's predecessor to spur investment in the industry.

www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/australias-past-two-years-the-hottest-on-record-climate-council-says-20140602-zrumu.html


So we have a AGW denier as PM while heading towards a heating climate caused drought.
Looks like the next election will be over AGW !

The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT.

Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies

____ wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:00am:

Australia's past two years the hottest on record ...

http://nivaldia.fr/mantsh.png

Swagman wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:12am:

The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies

Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy.

The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking.

The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it.

The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence.

Swagman wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:12am:

The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies

How is aging population factual when its a projection based on models ?

A good bit of climate change induced heatwaves/drought/food shortages will soon add some new parameters to the model.

____ wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:00am:

Looks like the next election will be over AGW !

Is there going to be a "world" election?

LOL

Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs.

Awesome hey?

And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!!

:)

Good about the rain—but the unseasonal warmth means soils are drier to run off into the MD won’t be as good as the rains suggest.

Kytro wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:27am:

Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence.

The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:27am: Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence. The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right!

The science of greenhouse gas is settled.

____ wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:15pm: Kytro wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:27am: Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence. The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right! The science of greenhouse gas is settled.

Only in your warped mind, Greens_Nutjob...

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 11:56am:

Good about the rain—but the unseasonal warmth means soils are drier to run off into the MD won’t be as good as the rains suggest.

LOL ;D

Most of the catchments are wet already. Autumn rains have been wide spread through-out SA, WA, Vic, NSW.

Try again Flannery.... ::) ::)

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 11:17am:

____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Looks like the next election will be over AGW ! Is there going to be a "world" election? LOL Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs. Awesome hey? And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!! :)

On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"?  Not this one:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml

The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

The international humiliation to the Abbott Government as it tries to explain why climate is not on the agenda at G20 in the midst of an El Nino summer should be enough to see the end of those idiots.  Hopefully in time before they cause any real damage leading to to Paris 2015.

The last thing we need is a Government determined to cripple Australia economically as the rest of the world moves forward with emissions reductions.

Resign Tony.  You are stuffing up big time.

Climate fools council is full of shite and that goes with the BOM's homogenised made to order temperature data

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 11:56am: Good about the rain—but the unseasonal warmth means soils are drier to run off into the MD won’t be as good as the rains suggest. LOL ;D Most of the catchments are wet already. Autumn rains have been wide spread through-out SA, WA, Vic, NSW. Try again Flannery.... ::) ::)

I am sure that you find making things up a lot of fun.  But to everyone else - you just sound like an idiot.


Nationally-averaged rainfall during May was 25% below the long-term mean, mostly as a result of below-average rainfall in the eastern states.

Rainfall was below average along the eastern coast of New South Wales to as far north as Townsville, over large areas of inland northern New South Wales, southern Queensland and parts of the northern Cape York Peninsula, central southern Victoria and northeastern Tasmania. A large area extending from inland western Queensland through much of the Victoria River and Barkly districts of the Northern Territory also recorded below-average rainfall, although apart from western Queensland these areas typically receive very little rainfall during May. Queensland recorded the largest departure from the long-term mean, with May rainfall 72% below average
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/aus/summary.shtml

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:17pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:15pm: Kytro wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:27am: Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence. The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right! The science of greenhouse gas is settled. Only in your warped mind, Greens_Nutjob...

No.  That would also be in the minds of every scientific and academic body on the planet.

I guess it is all just a big conspiracy, huh?

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:27pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Looks like the next election will be over AGW ! Is there going to be a "world" election? LOL Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs. Awesome hey? And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!! :) On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"?  Not this one: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... :o

Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last.

Let's hope it stays there. 8-)

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:18pm: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:17pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:15pm: Kytro wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:27am: Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence. The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right! The science of greenhouse gas is settled. Only in your warped mind, Greens_Nutjob... No.  That would also be in the minds of every scientific and academic body on the planet. I guess it is all just a big conspiracy, huh?

Like this physicist, and he is far from alone. AGW goes against physics

US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life'

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:27am: Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence. The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right!

95% confidence in human caused climate change is significant.  Science of every kind is never settled.

While it's a fact that the population is aging, how to deal with it is most certainly up for debate.

My issue with your initial statement is you are implying that science is highly uncertain about current climate change, and that is simply not the case.

Or this guy against you nutters who bring us this political pseudo science and try to dress it up as real science

“Daniel B. Botkin, a world-renowned ecologist, is Professor (Emeritus), Department of Ecology, Evolution and Marine Biology, UC Santa Barbara, and President of The Center for The Study of The Environment, which provides independent, science-based analyses of complex environmental issues. The New York Times said his book, *Discordant Harmonies: A New Ecology for the 21st Century* is considered by many ecologists to be the classic text of the [environmental] movement.” His Environmental Science, now in its Sixth Edition, was named 2004′s best textbook by the Textbook and Academic Authors Association.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgWeYL_fynQ
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/31/in-house-testimony-botkin-dismantles-the-ipcc-2014-report/


Since 1968 I have published research on theoretical global warming, its potential ecological effects, and the implications for people and biodiversity. I have spent my career trying to help conserve our environment and its great diversity of species. In doing so I have always attempted to maintain an objective, intellectually honest, scientific approach in the best tradition of scientific endeavor. I have, accordingly, been dismayed and disappointed in recent years that this subject has been converted into a political and ideological debate. I have colleagues on both sides of the debate and believe we should work together as scientists instead of arguing divisively about preconceived, emotionally based “positions.” I hope my testifying here will help lead to a calmer, more rational approach to dealing with not only climate change but also other major environmental problems. The IPCC 2014 report does not have this kind of rational discussion we should be having. I would like to tell you why.

The IPCC 2014 report is actually a series of reports, each long, complex in organization, and extensive in scope. Since it’s not possible to discuss the Summary Reports for Policymakers in detail today, I will highlight some of my thoughts for you here as they relate to the reports, hoping to bring a saner, more sober approach to this highly charged issue.

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:27pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Looks like the next election will be over AGW ! Is there going to be a "world" election? LOL Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs. Awesome hey? And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!! :) On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"?  Not this one: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/ Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... :o Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last. Let's hope it stays there. 8-)

I gave you the BOM data to May 2014.  It is exactly the same data you will get from Elders.

SOI is essentially neutral at the moment - varying between slightly positive and slightly negative.

However, as quoted for you earlier, The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August

El Nino is coming.  Probably sooner than later.

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Like this physicist, and he is far from alone. AGW goes against physics US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life' http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/

Yes, and there is an larger number who disagree, people who are specialists on climate change. The fact dissent exists does not mean anything. You can find those who disagree with mainstream science in all fields.

What exactly do you think this proves?

Continued on from the Climate scientist in congress

1. I want to state up front that we have been living through a warming trend driven by a variety of influences. However, it is my view that this is not unusual, and contrary to the characterizations by the IPCC and the National Climate Assessment, these environmental changes are not apocalyptic nor irreversible.

2. My biggest concern is that both the reports present a number of speculative, and sometimes incomplete, conclusions embedded in language that gives them more scientific heft than they deserve. The reports are “scientific-sounding” rather than based on clearly settled facts or admitting their lack. Established facts about the global environment exist less often in science than laymen usually think.

3. HAS IT BEEN WARMING? Yes, we have been living through a warming trend, no doubt about that. The rate of change we are experiencing is also not unprecedented, and the “mystery” of the warming “plateau” simply indicates the inherent complexity of our global biosphere. Change is normal, life on Earth is inherently risky; it always has been. The two reports, however, makes it seem that environmental change is apocalyptic and irreversible. It is not.

4. IS CLIMATE CHANGE VERY UNUSUAL? No, it has always undergone changes.

5. ARE GREENHOUSE GASES INCREASING? Yes, CO2 rapidly.

6. IS THERE GOOD SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ON CLIMATE CHANGE? Yes, a great deal of it.

7. ARE THERE GOOD SCIENTISTS INVOLVED IN THE IPCC 2014 REPORT? Yes, the lead author of the Terrestrial (land) Ecosystem Report is Richard Betts, a coauthor of one my scientific papers about forecasting effects of global warming on biodiversity.

8. ARE THERE SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE STATEMENTS AT PLACES IN THE REPORT? Yes, there are.

9. What I sought to learn was the overall take-away that the reports leave with a reader. I regret to say that I was left with the impression that the reports overestimate the danger from human-induced climate change and do not contribute to our ability to solve major environmental problems. I am afraid that an “agenda” permeates the reports, an implication that humans and our activity are necessarily bad and ought to be curtailed.

10. ARE THERE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THE REPORTS? Yes, in assumptions, use of data, and conclusions.

11. My biggest concern about the reports is that they present a number of speculative, and sometimes incomplete, conclusions embedded in language that gives them more scientific heft than they deserve. The reports, in other words, are “scientific- sounding,” rather than clearly settled and based on indisputable facts. Established facts about the global environment exist less often in science than laymen usually think.

12. The two reports assume and/or argue that the climate warming forecast by the global climate models is happening and will continue to happen and grow worse. Currently these predictions are way off the reality (Figure 1). Models, like all scientific theory, have to be tested against real-world observations. Experts in model validation say that the climate models frequently cited in the IPCC report are little if any validated. This means that as theory they are fundamentally scientifically unproven.

continue on at web site
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/31/in-house-testimony-botkin-dismantles-the-ipcc-2014-report/

Greens are dumb

Greens are compromised

Greens are controlled opposition and Clive links them with CIA ops and I believe him


Listen, Greenswin --- I refuse to accept the Green party's unawareness of Chemtrails

of geoengineering

of the dangers of fluoride


just for starters



So why not own up, Greens and Greenswin?


You're see-through


You say NOTHING about Chemtrails or fluoride

yet you CANNOT fail to be aware that the so-called 'climate change' is a profit seeking load of bullspit


Geoengineering is responsible for the bullspit 'climate change'

and fluoride is causing umpteen cancers and other problems


all while Milne and Hanson Young prattle on

doing the work of their masters

about non-existent 'climate change'



THAT is why most people revile the Greens



and if you're worried about the bullspit, hokey pokey nonsense for profit 'climate change'


then get onto Abbott about the millions spent every damn day

on Chemtrails

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:18pm: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:17pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:15pm: Kytro wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:27am: Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence. The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right! The science of greenhouse gas is settled. Only in your warped mind, Greens_Nutjob... No.  That would also be in the minds of every scientific and academic body on the planet. I guess it is all just a big conspiracy, huh?

Why do you keep saying it's a conspiracy?

I haven't seen any skeptics on here say that it's a conspiracy.

Your very limited range of options - AGW is real or it's a conspiracy -  seems to suggest a very narrow-minded approach.

I see we may have an El Nino, probably not a Super El Nino.

I also see Trenberth is moving to a position where El Ninos provide a 'stepped' global warming. Something like SKS 'Skeptic Belief' graph.

I haven't seen any characterisation of El Ninos being caused by an increase in CO2.

lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 2:57pm:

I see we may have an El Nino, probably not a Super El Nino. I also see Trenberth is moving to a position where El Ninos provide a 'stepped' global warming. Something like SKS 'Skeptic Belief' graph. I haven't seen any characterisation of El Ninos being caused by an increase in CO2.

the temperature data manipulators, homoginisors have been fighting hard to keep the temperature data flat even more so since the time between super el nino has gone sinse 98. They will find it harder to digusise their fraud as the el nino will be weak for some time and not create the great step

Seems the weather was a bit warm for a few days in late autumn.

That happens when a stationary blocking High pressure system occurs and the normal cold fronts are temporarily pushed to the south of the country.

Nothing to do with power stations producing nice cheap electricity.

Who are these mongs who call themselves the Climate Council any way? self appointed twits by the sound of it.

.

Political scum and their political parties

are paid by the 'climate change' architects

Paid to spout nonsense


Idiots follow scum political parties

except the rank and file idiots are NOT being paid -- at least no more than 20 cents per post

to spout bullspit 'climate change' rubbish


These are people with closed minds

First, they wanted to believe the world was going to end in 2012

No --- first they thought it was going to end in 2000!

Now they want to believe 'climate change' is going to end the world


These people are part of a death-cult, except they don't know it and/or won't accept that about themselves


Gloom and doom, gloom and doom

They want to elevate every nutjob minority to prominence and support those minorities on the backs of the majority

So they champion every minority that raises its head


These death-cut, 'climate change' propagandists have NEVER acquainted themselves with science or history

they're half-witted tools of the Gores of the world who can TASTE all that 'climate change' profit in their pockets

They will NOT let go of their dream of becoming even more obscenely rich than they are now

and all the nincompoops in fake parties chant along, doing the leg-work, filling acres of bandwidth with their phony-baloney 'climate change' fiddled rubbish


Tell you what, all you 'green' pretenders


why don't you ask Milne -- and hanson young too if you like --- whether or not they've had reverse osmosis fitted throughout their homes

to filter their water of fluoride

even their showers



Go on.  Find out.  They didn't install it on their own.  Workers had to do that

so go find out


Then prove to this forum that you are conversant with Chemtrails

Prove you've viewed the videos and photos and skies above your heads

and EXPLAIN those Chemtrails to this and any other forum you infest



Then justify Chemtrails.  That will take you a LONG time


When you CANNOT justify Chemtrails --- tell this forum what they're for, what they're achieving


Because by the time you've done that


you will no longer waffle on about 'climate change'


and you will KNOW that fake 'climate change' is being orchestrated and engineered VIA Chemtrails

for profit


And then you'll do one of two things:

(1) you will shut up about fake 'climate change' and campaign like maniacs against Chemtrails


or


(2) you will go down to the back paddock and shoot yourselves

Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen.

Gizmo, you have two choices before you:

(1) you admit (because it's already known) that you're just a post for hire

or

(2) you're a wilful idiot


choice is yours

Personally, I feel both apply




Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails


You can get yourself off to half a million alternative news forums and read in depth scientific analysis of Chemtrail components


You can step outside your door and see Chemtrails from horizon to horizon


THEN you can try to justify the expenditure of millions of dollars per day of OUR money on Chemtrails

it's OUR money !

OUR money being spent on the clouding and poisoning of skies, water, food


OUR money paying pilots to dump the stuff over every dam, every town and city in this land (and all other lands)


You can go to mainstream news and read how people in OTHER countries actually get out there and protest at airports, outside government offices, etc, re Chemtrails

You can read how Chemtrails actually killed Italians outright

You can go read about Morgellons

You can go to gardening forums in almost any country to see how even ordinary household gardens are withering and dying because of Chemtrails


It's all out there Gizmo --- on the world wide web


Even grandparents know about Chemtrails these days

and you're little johnny all alone, claiming the entire world is out of step apart from little old you


give it up

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. Gizmo, you have two choices before you: (1) you admit (because it's already known) that you're just a post for hire or (2) you're a wilful idiot choice is yours Personally, I feel both apply Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails You can get yourself off to half a million alternative news forums and read in depth scientific analysis of Chemtrail components You can step outside your door and see Chemtrails from horizon to horizon THEN you can try to justify the expenditure of millions of dollars per day of OUR money on Chemtrails it's OUR money ! OUR money being spent on the clouding and poisoning of skies, water, food OUR money paying pilots to dump the stuff over every dam, every town and city in this land (and all other lands) You can go to mainstream news and read how people in OTHER countries actually get out there and protest at airports, outside government offices, etc, re Chemtrails You can read how Chemtrails actually killed Italians outright You can go read about Morgellons You can go to gardening forums in almost any country to see how even ordinary household gardens are withering and dying because of Chemtrails It's all out there Gizmo --- on the world wide web Even grandparents know about Chemtrails these days and you're little johnny all alone, claiming the entire world is out of step apart from little old you give it up

I'll take option 3) I'm someone who doesn't wear a tinfoil hat and doesn't believe everything posted on a website that claims to have 'secret' info, or 'what they don't want you to know'...

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:47pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:33pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:27pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Looks like the next election will be over AGW ! Is there going to be a "world" election? LOL Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs. Awesome hey? And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!! :) On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"?  Not this one: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/ Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... :o Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last. Let's hope it stays there. 8-) I gave you the BOM data to May 2014.  It is exactly the same data you will get from Elders. SOI is essentially neutral at the moment - varying between slightly positive and slightly negative. However, as quoted for you earlier, The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August El Nino is coming.  Probably sooner than later.

OK you must be looking at the weekly stats.

I was looking at the monthly average – and the last 6 are all positive.

Looking at the weekly results, my comment...

“And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon” is even more correct, moving from –12 to almost +10.

So I’ll try and stay positive, you can pray for the worst and make crap up….. :(

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails

Try and keep the nut-job conspiracies out of it.

::)

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. Gizmo, you have two choices before you: (1) you admit (because it's already known) that you're just a post for hire or (2) you're a wilful idiot choice is yours Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails You can get yourself off to half a million alternative news forums and read in depth scientific analysis of Chemtrail components You can step outside your door and see Chemtrails from horizon to horizon You can go read about Morgellons you're little johnny all alone, claiming the entire world is out of step apart from little old you give it up

I can go to Youtube and see videos of CONTRAILS.
I can step outside and see Contrails (occasionally, when a high altitude flight goes over), but not from 'horizon to horizon'.

You mean THIS Morgellons??
"Morgellons (also called Morgellons disease or Morgellons syndrome) is a condition whose sufferers have the delusional belief that they are infested with disease-causing agents described as things like insects, parasites, hairs or fibers, but in reality no such things are present.

These symptoms have been identified by a range of medical experts including dermatologists, entomologists, and psychiatrists, as consistent with delusional parasitosis (DP or DOP)."


And no, the world isn't out of step with me. 90+% of the World don't believe in Chemtrails.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:21pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:44pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. Gizmo, you have two choices before you: (1) you admit (because it's already known) that you're just a post for hire or (2) you're a wilful idiot choice is yours Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails You can get yourself off to half a million alternative news forums and read in depth scientific analysis of Chemtrail components You can step outside your door and see Chemtrails from horizon to horizon You can go read about Morgellons you're little johnny all alone, claiming the entire world is out of step apart from little old you give it up You mean THIS Morgellons?? "Morgellons (also called Morgellons disease or Morgellons syndrome) is a condition whose sufferers have the delusional belief that they are infested with disease-causing agents described as things like insects, parasites, hairs or fibers, but in reality no such things are present. These symptoms have been identified by a range of medical experts including dermatologists, entomologists, and psychiatrists, as consistent with delusional parasitosis (DP or DOP)." And no, the world isn't out of step with me. 90+% of the World don't believe in Chemtrails.

;D ;D ;D ;D

.

TOO   LATE   


It's out there


It's no conspiracy


It's FACT


FACT so beyond dispute that even the 96%-owned mainstream media  has had to acknowledge Chemtrails


Now USrael is struggling to keep up

and is tossing forth 'justification' in the form of claims that Chemtrails (which are now acknowledged fact) are 'too act as a shield against the sun'

which is fooling no one at all of course


Difficult to believe that even in an online backwater like this, there are still a few who are so out of the loop that they try to label government secrets as 'conspiracies'



TOO LATE


The world is fully conversant with the reality of Chemtrails


The time for paid postings in denial of Chemtrails was 12 and 10 years ago

These days, even kids and grandparents are taking vids of Chemtrails and posting them in their thousands on Youtube


No argument as to whether or not Chemtrails exist

They do.  It's admitted, acknowledged


Now it's time for our politicians to start trying to JUSTIFY Chemtrails

Are they going to try for the 'shield against the sun' lie ?


Or are they going to try for the 'aerial vaccination' explanation?



Oh, and you dinosaur deniers haven't forgotten about this, have you:



Quote:

Nov 15, 2013  Australia Determined To Forcibly Vaccinate By Intentional and Controlled Release of Aerosolized GMO Vaccine

Quote:

The Office of the Gene Technology Regulator (OGTR) is on its way to approve a licence application from PaxVax Australia (PaxVax) for the intentional release of a GMO vaccine consisting of live bacteria into the environment in Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria

Those with kids/grandkids should probably acquaint themselves with the rest of the article and the hundreds of similar articles accessible online

http://preventdisease.com/news/13/111513_Australia-Determined-To-Forcibly-Vaccinate-By-Intentional-and-Controlled-Release-Aerosolized-GMO-Vaccine.shtml



Nice photo of Chemtrails included in the above article


and no, Joan, those are not contrails.  Not even close


Why not seek Freedom of Information re: the above?

They're probably already busy spraying you


I posted the above article here in Nov last year


People too busy deciding if they liked Julia or Tony best, lol

I thought you said mainstream media????

David Icke, bibliotecapleyades.net/ and PrisonPlanet don't qualify.

Google Scholar doesn't turn up any results for chemtrails.

Must be afraid to publish.

lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 2:57pm:

I haven't seen any characterisation of El Ninos being caused by an increase in CO2.

No.  Why would you?

Trying to build a straw man are we?

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:04pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:47pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:33pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:27pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Looks like the next election will be over AGW ! Is there going to be a "world" election? LOL Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs. Awesome hey? And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!! :) On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"?  Not this one: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/ Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... :o Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last. Let's hope it stays there. 8-) I gave you the BOM data to May 2014.  It is exactly the same data you will get from Elders. SOI is essentially neutral at the moment - varying between slightly positive and slightly negative. However, as quoted for you earlier, The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August El Nino is coming.  Probably sooner than later. OK you must be looking at the weekly stats. I was looking at the monthly average – and the last 6 are all positive. Looking at the weekly results, my comment... “And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon” is even more correct, moving from –12 to almost +10. So I’ll try and stay positive, you can pray for the worst and make crap up….. :(

The latest update from 20 May says:

Tropical Pacific Ocean edges further toward El Niño

The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

Not sure how you can read into that:
“And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon”

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:24pm:

. TOO   LATE    It's out there It's no conspiracy It's FACT FACT so beyond dispute that even the 96%-owned mainstream media  has had to acknowledge Chemtrails Now USrael is struggling to keep up and is tossing forth 'justification' in the form of claims that Chemtrails (which are now acknowledged fact) are 'too act as a shield against the sun' which is fooling no one at all of course Difficult to believe that even in an online backwater like this, there are still a few who are so out of the loop that they try to label government secrets as 'conspiracies' TOO LATE The world is fully conversant with the reality of Chemtrails The time for paid postings in denial of Chemtrails was 12 and 10 years ago These days, even kids and grandparents are taking vids of Chemtrails and posting them in their thousands on Youtube No argument as to whether or not Chemtrails exist They do.  It's admitted, acknowledged Now it's time for our politicians to start trying to JUSTIFY Chemtrails Are they going to try for the 'shield against the sun' lie ? Or are they going to try for the 'aerial vaccination' explanation? Oh, and you dinosaur deniers haven't forgotten about this, have you: Quote: Nov 15, 2013  Australia Determined To Forcibly Vaccinate By Intentional and Controlled Release of Aerosolized GMO Vaccine [quote]The Office of the Gene Technology Regulator (OGTR) is on its way to approve a licence application from PaxVax Australia (PaxVax) for the intentional release of a GMO vaccine consisting of live bacteria into the environment in Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria

Those with kids/grandkids should probably acquaint themselves with the rest of the article and the hundreds of similar articles accessible online

http://preventdisease.com/news/13/111513_Australia-Determined-To-Forcibly-Vaccinate-By-Intentional-and-Controlled-Release-Aerosolized-GMO-Vaccine.shtml



Nice photo of Chemtrails included in the above article


and no, Joan, those are not contrails.  Not even close


Why not seek Freedom of Information re: the above?

They're probably already busy spraying you


I posted the above article here in Nov last year


People too busy deciding if they liked Julia or Tony best, lol[/quote]
Calm down.

It's just water vapour.

Contrails (/ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapor trails are long, thin artificial (man-made) clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapor in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1] Like all clouds, contrails are made of water, in the form of a suspension of billions of liquid droplets or ice crystals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 2:49pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:33pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:18pm: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:17pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:15pm: Kytro wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:27am: Swagman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:12am: The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT. Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy. The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking. The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it. The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence. The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right! The science of greenhouse gas is settled. Only in your warped mind, Greens_Nutjob... No.  That would also be in the minds of every scientific and academic body on the planet. I guess it is all just a big conspiracy, huh? Why do you keep saying it's a conspiracy? I haven't seen any skeptics on here say that it's a conspiracy.

Oh really?!?!

You haven't seen the nutjobs that go on and on about how the CSIRO and BOM and NASA and UKMet and every other scientific organisation on the planet are lying about their data and hiding secrets?  And how that the only reason there is virtually no scientific literature claiming that AGW is not happening is because it is (somehow) being suppressed?

And the nutjobs that carry on about how AGW is some hoax to turn us all communist or some such drivel?

You really haven't seen them?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Your very limited range of options - AGW is real or it's a conspiracy -  seems to suggest a very narrow-minded approach.

If AGW were not real there would be some actual evidence supporting this.  There isn't.

Instead - we have a theory which describes a very well understood mechanism which causes the planet to warm, and overwhelming empirical data supporting it.  And zero alternate theories for the observed warming.

So yes.  It is a very limited range of options..  You can accept the science and the data.  Or you can deny it all and bang on with silly conspiracy theories.

ARe there any other alternatives?

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:19pm:

ARe there any other alternatives?

According to Trenberth and others - El Ninos. ;)

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. CHEMTRAILZ OHMAGERD!!! CHEMTRAiLZ

;D ;D ;D ;D
The left proving they are complete nut jobs, one idiot conspiracy theory at a time  :D :D  :D

You fellow travellers must be very proud to have you n their side, I bet.  ;)

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:24pm:

. Quote: Nov 15, 2013  Australia Determined To Forcibly Vaccinate By Intentional and Controlled Release of Aerosolized GMO Vaccine [quote]The Office of the Gene Technology Regulator (OGTR) is on its way to approve a licence application from PaxVax Australia (PaxVax) for the intentional release of a GMO vaccine consisting of live bacteria into the environment in Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria

http://preventdisease.com/news/13/111513_Australia-Determined-To-Forcibly-Vaccinate-By-Intentional-and-Controlled-Release-Aerosolized-GMO-Vaccine.shtml

[/quote]

I'm guessing it means this article???:
"United States-based vaccine company PaxVax is running a trial of the oral vaccine, and has applied to the Federal Government to run part of the trial in Queensland, South Australia, Victoria and Western Australia.

PaxVax says the single-dose vaccine has been genetically-modified to remove the part of the cholera bacteria that makes people sick."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-23/us-company-applies-to-test-gm-cholera-vaccine-in-australia/5172092

lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 5:19pm: ARe there any other alternatives? According to Trenberth and others - El Ninos. ;)

El Ninos are causing global warming on a multi-decadal scale?

Really?

Don't make things up

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:26pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:44pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. CHEMTRAILZ OHMAGERD!!! CHEMTRAiLZ ;D ;D ;D ;D The left proving they are complete nut jobs, one idiot conspiracy theory at a time  :D :D  :D You fellow travellers must be very proud to have you n their side, I bet.  ;)

I think you'll find old PZ whatever is a fully fledged right wing nut-job.

One of yours I'm afraid.

Could a mod move the off-topic Chemtrail stuff to another thread, like the Epic ChemFAILS one in General.

I think it's distracting from the topic

Thanks

Not from what he has been writing. It's typical left wing moonbattery. It could have been written by the top echelons of the a greens it is so leftwing.

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 5:26pm: PZ547 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:44pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. CHEMTRAILZ OHMAGERD!!! CHEMTRAiLZ ;D ;D ;D ;D The left proving they are complete nut jobs, one idiot conspiracy theory at a time  :D :D  :D You fellow travellers must be very proud to have you n their side, I bet.  ;) I think you'll find old PZ whatever is a fully fledged right wing nut-job. One of yours I'm afraid.

Leave out the 'right wing' bit and you'd be about accurate.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Could a mod move the off-topic Chemtrail stuff to another thread, like the Epic ChemFAILS one in General. I think it's distracting from the topic Thanks

Are you sure? They both are the product of wild imaginations and unproven. Seems they have a bit in common.

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 5:26pm: PZ547 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:44pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm: Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen. CHEMTRAILZ OHMAGERD!!! CHEMTRAiLZ ;D ;D ;D ;D The left proving they are complete nut jobs, one idiot conspiracy theory at a time  :D :D  :D You fellow travellers must be very proud to have you n their side, I bet.  ;) I think you'll find old PZ whatever is a fully fledged right wing nut-job. One of yours I'm afraid.

That'll explain why he hates Abbott and the Government then eh... :D

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Don't make things up

Just one paper- there are others-

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/MET/Faculty/bwang/bw/paper/wang36.pdf

lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:51pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm: Don't make things up Just one paper- there are others- http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/MET/Faculty/bwang/bw/paper/wang36.pdf

Shhhh, don't bring facts into this. The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be too much to bear.

Heard the other day that the May hottest temp crap was just that.
Apparently it was just a Sydney thing.
Happy for anyone to find up to date data which BOM is reluctant to put forward.

____ wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:00am:

Australia's past two years the hottest on record, Climate Council says Australia has experienced its hottest two-year period ever recorded as the country feels the impact of climate change, a report released today finds.

Get out from under your bed Green and stop bed wetting.
And stop blaming Abbott for the weather before he was even elected.
You know Labor's and the Greens carbon tax which has been around for some years now will change the weather and save the planet.
So stop panicking.
I'm feeling cooler just thinking about it. ;D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 6:08pm:

____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Australia's past two years the hottest on record, Climate Council says Australia has experienced its hottest two-year period ever recorded as the country feels the impact of climate change, a report released today finds. Get out from under your bed Green and stop bed wetting. And stop blaming Abbott for the weather before he was even elected. You know Labor's and the Greens carbon tax which has been around for some years now will change the weather and save the planet. So stop panicking. I'm feeling cooler just thinking about it. ;D

Climate ... you understand the concept and the difference with weather?

i.e a climate of scientific denial verses a weather of scientific denial.

:D :D :D

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:58pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 4:04pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:47pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:33pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:27pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Looks like the next election will be over AGW ! Is there going to be a "world" election? LOL Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs. Awesome hey? And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!! :) On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"?  Not this one: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/ Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... :o Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last. Let's hope it stays there. 8-) I gave you the BOM data to May 2014.  It is exactly the same data you will get from Elders. SOI is essentially neutral at the moment - varying between slightly positive and slightly negative. However, as quoted for you earlier, The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August El Nino is coming.  Probably sooner than later. OK you must be looking at the weekly stats. I was looking at the monthly average – and the last 6 are all positive. Looking at the weekly results, my comment... “And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon” is even more correct, moving from –12 to almost +10. So I’ll try and stay positive, you can pray for the worst and make crap up….. :( The latest update from 20 May says: Tropical Pacific Ocean edges further toward El Niño The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/ Not sure how you can read into that: “And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon”

Blaa blaa blaa

-12 to +10 - are you that dumb?

:-?

lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:51pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm: Don't make things up Just one paper- there are others- http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/MET/Faculty/bwang/bw/paper/wang36.pdf

Yes - that is a paper about interdecadal changes in El Nino.

Where does it say that El Nino is responsible for the observerved global warming of recent decades.
And how?


Can you explain?

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:56pm:

lee wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 5:51pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm: Don't make things up Just one paper- there are others- http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/MET/Faculty/bwang/bw/paper/wang36.pdf Shhhh, don't bring facts into this. The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be too much to bear.

What facts did he bring into this?

Can you explain?

He seemed to be claiming that El Nino is responsible for multi-decadal global warming.

How does that work?

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 10:09am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 4:58pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 4:04pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:47pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:33pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:27pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am: ____ wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am: Looks like the next election will be over AGW ! Is there going to be a "world" election? LOL Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs. Awesome hey? And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!! :) On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"?  Not this one: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/ Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... :o Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last. Let's hope it stays there. 8-) I gave you the BOM data to May 2014.  It is exactly the same data you will get from Elders. SOI is essentially neutral at the moment - varying between slightly positive and slightly negative. However, as quoted for you earlier, The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August El Nino is coming.  Probably sooner than later. OK you must be looking at the weekly stats. I was looking at the monthly average – and the last 6 are all positive. Looking at the weekly results, my comment... “And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon” is even more correct, moving from –12 to almost +10. So I’ll try and stay positive, you can pray for the worst and make crap up….. :( The latest update from 20 May says: Tropical Pacific Ocean edges further toward El Niño The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/ Not sure how you can read into that: “And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon” Blaa blaa blaa -12 to +10 - are you that dumb? :-?

Read the links.

BOM says:
Tropical Pacific Ocean edges further toward El Niño

BOM says:
The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August.

-12 to 10 is a minor variation.  Stop being so ignorant - try to actually read the information that is being presented to you.

I didn't realise there were so many nutters in this world, and they are on both sides of this debate.  :-/ :-X :D

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

-12 to 10

Is a move to the positive, yes or no?

:-? has smacking maths changed since i went to school?

From -12 to +10, is that a move into a higher positive or not? Can someone help me out here, it seems the Rabbit has no maths comprehension at all!!

:-?

Rabitoh08, 

As I said there are others.

Collins - 'El Nino or La Nina-like Climate Change'

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-004-0478-x#page-1

or

'That's because Earth's temperature is already rising, so any year with a boost from El Niño could easily break records. [How El Niño Causes Wild Weather All Over the Globe (Infographic)]

The warmest years in the past decade, 2005 and 2010, followed weak El Niño years, according to NASA temperature records.

This year's predicted El Niño could increase global surface temperatures by 0.18 to 0.36 degrees Fahrenheit (0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius), depending on the intensity of the event, said Wenju Cai, a climate scientist at CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research, a government research organization in Aspendale, Australia.'

'Most of this stored ocean heat comes from sunlight, but the release adds to the overall rise in temperatures caused by global warming, Cai said. "There's no doubt the underlying trend is caused by greenhouse warming," he said.

"Usually, the increase occurs more toward the latter part of the El Niño, when there is a mini-global warming," said Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.'

http://news.sp@m/earth/weather-extreme-events/brace-for-record-heat-as-el-nino-approaches-140603.htm

Some scientists say that the increased CO2 is driving greater El Nino frequency- Timmerman, Cai

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v398/n6729/abs/398694a0.html

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n2/full/nclimate2100.html

'    What is the relationship between El Niño/La Niña and global warming?
    The jury is still out on this. Are we likely to see more El Niños because of global warming? Will they be more intense? These are the main research questions facing the science community today. Research will help us separate the natural climate variability from any trends due to man's activities. We cannot figure out the "fingerprint" of global warming if we cannot sort out what the natural variability does. We also need to look at the link between decadal changes in natural variability and global warming. At this time we can't preclude the possibility of links but it would be too early to definitely say there is a link.'

http://www.elnino.noaa.gov/lanina_new_faq.html

So, in reality my best estimate is as good as your best estimate.

So if increasing CO2 is causing greater frequency and severity - this coming El Nino should it occur should be greater than 1982 or 1987.

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 12:05am: -12 to 10 Is a move to the positive, yes or no? :-? has smacking maths changed since i went to school? From -12 to +10, is that a move into a higher positive or not? Can someone help me out here, it seems the Rabbit has no maths comprehension at all!! :-?

Read the links.

BOM says:
Tropical Pacific Ocean edges further toward El Niño

BOM says:
The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August.

-12 to 10 is a minor variation. One month of +ve SOI means nothing. SOI fluctuates between +ve and -ve regularly.  There has been no SUSTAINED +ve SOI since the end of the last La Nina, when there was and extended period of +ve SOI readings

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif

lee wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Rabitoh08,  As I said there are others. Collins - 'El Nino or La Nina-like Climate Change' http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-004-0478-x#page-1 or 'That's because Earth's temperature is already rising, so any year with a boost from El Niño could easily break records. [How El Niño Causes Wild Weather All Over the Globe (Infographic)] The warmest years in the past decade, 2005 and 2010, followed weak El Niño years, according to NASA temperature records. This year's predicted El Niño could increase global surface temperatures by 0.18 to 0.36 degrees Fahrenheit (0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius), depending on the intensity of the event, said Wenju Cai, a climate scientist at CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research, a government research organization in Aspendale, Australia.' 'Most of this stored ocean heat comes from sunlight, but the release adds to the overall rise in temperatures caused by global warming, Cai said. "There's no doubt the underlying trend is caused by greenhouse warming," he said. "Usually, the increase occurs more toward the latter part of the El Niño, when there is a mini-global warming," said Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.' http://news.sp@m/earth/weather-extreme-events/brace-for-record-heat-as-el-nino-approaches-140603.htm Some scientists say that the increased CO2 is driving greater El Nino frequency- Timmerman, Cai http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v398/n6729/abs/398694a0.html http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n2/full/nclimate2100.html '    What is the relationship between El Niño/La Niña and global warming?     The jury is still out on this. Are we likely to see more El Niños because of global warming? Will they be more intense? These are the main research questions facing the science community today. Research will help us separate the natural climate variability from any trends due to man's activities. We cannot figure out the "fingerprint" of global warming if we cannot sort out what the natural variability does. We also need to look at the link between decadal changes in natural variability and global warming. At this time we can't preclude the possibility of links but it would be too early to definitely say there is a link.' http://www.elnino.noaa.gov/lanina_new_faq.html So, in reality my best estimate is as good as your best estimate. So if increasing CO2 is causing greater frequency and severity - this coming El Nino should it occur should be greater than 1982 or 1987.

You claimed that El Nino was an alternative explanation as to why the planet is warming, as opposed to AGW.

None of the papers you are quoting suggest this.  They are all addressing the impact of AGW on ENSO.  Not that ENSO is the cause of the observed warming of recent decades

See it how you will.

I see in The Australian there is a report -

' AUSTRALIA’S peak body of earth scientists has declared itself unable to publish a position statement on climate change due to the deep divisions within its membership on the issue.

After more than five years of debate and two false starts, Geological Society of Australia president Laurie Hutton said a statement on climate change was too difficult to achieve.'

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/earth-scientists-split-on-climate-change-statement/story-e6frg8y6-1229642126322#

Couldn't get a 97% consensus. ;)

Because The Aust is generally paywalled you can google search

lee wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

See it how you will. I see in The Australian there is a report - ' AUSTRALIA’S peak body of earth scientists has declared itself unable to publish a position statement on climate change due to the deep divisions within its membership on the issue. After more than five years of debate and two false starts, Geological Society of Australia president Laurie Hutton said a statement on climate change was too difficult to achieve.' Couldn't get a 97% consensus. ;)

See what how I will?!?!?

You implied that somehow ENSO is responsible for the multi-decadal global warming being observed.

That is nonsense.  Noe of the papers you have cited claim that.

lee wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

See it how you will. I see in The Australian there is a report - ' AUSTRALIA’S peak body of earth scientists has declared itself unable to publish a position statement on climate change due to the deep divisions within its membership on the issue. After more than five years of debate and two false starts, Geological Society of Australia president Laurie Hutton said a statement on climate change was too difficult to achieve.' http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/earth-scientists-split-on-climate-change-statement/story-e6frg8y6-1229642126322# Couldn't get a 97% consensus. ;) Because The Aust is generally paywalled you can google search

So, a body which has a majority of it's membership being from the minerals sector has declared itself unable to publish a position statement on climate change.  Why do you find this relevant in any way?

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 10:48am: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 12:05am: -12 to 10 Is a move to the positive, yes or no? :-? has smacking maths changed since i went to school? From -12 to +10, is that a move into a higher positive or not? Can someone help me out here, it seems the Rabbit has no maths comprehension at all!! :-?

Any one? -12 to +10, a move into positive or not? :-?

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 12:20pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 10:48am: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 12:05am: -12 to 10 Is a move to the positive, yes or no? :-? has smacking maths changed since i went to school? From -12 to +10, is that a move into a higher positive or not? Can someone help me out here, it seems the Rabbit has no maths comprehension at all!! :-? Any one? -12 to +10, a move into positive or not? :-?

A minor one month fluctuation.  Relevant or not? :-?

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 1:07pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 12:20pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 10:48am: rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 12:05am: -12 to 10 Is a move to the positive, yes or no? :-? has smacking maths changed since i went to school? From -12 to +10, is that a move into a higher positive or not? Can someone help me out here, it seems the Rabbit has no maths comprehension at all!! :-? Any one? -12 to +10, a move into positive or not? :-? A minor one month fluctuation.  Relevant or not? :-?

-12 to +10, use a smacking calculator if you have to.... ::)

A move into positive or not?

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:12pm:

lee wrote on Jun 2nd, 2014 at 2:57pm: I see we may have an El Nino, probably not a Super El Nino. I also see Trenberth is moving to a position where El Ninos provide a 'stepped' global warming. Something like SKS 'Skeptic Belief' graph. I haven't seen any characterisation of El Ninos being caused by an increase in CO2. the temperature data manipulators, homoginisors have been fighting hard to keep the temperature data flat even more so since the time between super el nino has gone sinse 98. They will find it harder to digusise their fraud as the el nino will be weak for some time and not create the great step

Poor ol rabbitoh08 is going to be upset my prediction came to fruition.

The 2014 El Niño is looking more and more like a bust

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/06/the-2014-el-nino-is-looking-more-and-more-like-a-bust

Global Cooling is on its way
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1404598898/0#0