http://ramio1983.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/living-in-sydneys-crime-capital/

Data sourced from the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research - available at:
http://crimetool.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/bocsar/

Worth putting some facts to the hysteria that we hear over and over again about Lebanese/muslim crime in Sydney. Figures cited for the Bankstown local government area - which incorporates the main Lebanese muslim communities in Sydney.

On all the main measures, Bankstown is very much around the middle and even below the rest of Sydney. On some crimes it is even lower than the NSW average - including robbery and sexual assault. Only for homicide did Bankstown break into the top 5 (ranked number 4).

Ten years on.


NEWS AU- SALLY  does not mince her words. Ten years after a group of 14 young males gang raped her in a horrific six-hour ordeal she still wishes they were dead.

Sally, now 29, was one of at least six victims who fell prey to the evil gang of Bilal Skaf, which terrorised western Sydney in August of the year 2000, gang raping young women in what turned out to be racist attacks.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/12/01/australia-muslim-gang-rape-victims-10-years-later/

Adamant wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Ten years on. NEWS AU- SALLY  does not mince her words. Ten years after a group of 14 young males gang raped her in a horrific six-hour ordeal she still wishes they were dead. Sally, now 29, was one of at least six victims who fell prey to the evil gang of Bilal Skaf, which terrorised western Sydney in August of the year 2000, gang raping young women in what turned out to be racist attacks. http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/12/01/australia-muslim-gang-rape-victims-10-years-later/

yes a bunch of fwits racists got what they deserved but they werent islamic attacks.

wally1 wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 3:39pm:

yes a bunch of fwits racists got what they deserved but they werent islamic attacks.

Indeed, but before Yadda pulls out the ahadith and quran quotes demonstrating how muslims are obligated to go out and rape and terrorize pretty Australian girls, lets focus on the topic - how prevelant these sorts of attacks really are compared to the wider Sydney and NSW population - ie not prevalent at all.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 4:15pm:

wally1 wrote on May 21st, 2014 at 3:39pm: yes a bunch of fwits racists got what they deserved but they werent islamic attacks. Indeed, but before Yadda pulls out the ahadith and quran quotes demonstrating how muslims are obligated to go out and rape and terrorize pretty Australian girls, lets focus on the topic - how prevelant these sorts of attacks really are compared to the wider Sydney and NSW population - ie not prevalent at all.

I understand your point of view gandalf, im just waiting for the tsunami of posts from yadda, moses, herbert, freediver, sprintcyclist,soren etc to attack the muslim community because of a bunch of uneducated non practicing muslims who happened to do a terrible crime.

Wonder if Herbert will show up to this conversation.  Muslim crime in Sydney is a topic very dear to his heart, hope he doesn't miss out

Stratos wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Wonder if Herbert will show up to this conversation.  Muslim crime in Sydney is a topic very dear to his heart, hope he doesn't miss out

And muslim crime in his homeland which he keeps reminding us about.

Maybe we should change the forum name to ukpolitics.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 4:15pm:

wally1 wrote on May 21st, 2014 at 3:39pm: yes a bunch of fwits racists got what they deserved but they werent islamic attacks. Indeed, but before Yadda pulls out the ahadith and quran quotes demonstrating how muslims are obligated to go out and rape and terrorize pretty Australian girls, lets focus on the topic - how prevelant these sorts of attacks really are compared to the wider Sydney and NSW population - ie not prevalent at all.

Just got off the phone with yadda, and he is very sorry that he cant reply to this topic as soon as it came up. He actually left his house and is making a contribution to society.

He mentioned to post this on his behalf.


What is ISLAM ?


ISLAM 'is', violent, religious bigotry.

ISLAM exists, so that violent religious bigotry can be spread throughout the world - by moslems.







Religious bigotry, and moslem crimes of religious violence [against those who do not believe as they [moslem] believe], are all MADE LAWFUL, by ISLAM itself !



"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29



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Dictionary;
bigot = =
1  a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.
2  a person who expresses an opinion/view which does not coincide with the opinion/views of Brian_Ross.


n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."




Is the promulgation, within Australia, of violent religious bigotry, what our governing authorities in Australia should tolerate ?

Because ISLAM does promulgate the idea, that political violence, against those who do not believe as they [moslems] believe, is a 'LAWFUL' act.

   Sorry GDID, you opened this thread with proof-positive of your statements, so the ranting Islamophobes won't come pouring out their bile, you should have posted a teaser first, then sprung your proof on them.
      Don't see the point myself, just sit back and wait, they'll leave themselves wide open soon enough.
      It won't make any difference though, they're not interested in reality or reason, they're just happy wallowing in their bigotry, quite sad really.
      There's quite a large Islamic population up in Darwin, old and new, but their style of bigotry rarely appears there, most of the NT are quite used to cultural diversity, despite their reputation as red-necks. The small, and shrinking, genuine red-neck community saves their racism for the Indigenous, they're an easier target, and welcome the battle.
      I must say, your presence and persistence on this forum has been one of the reasons I joined, and am staying, if it wasn't so widely representative of today's Oz it would be far less interesting, so keep on keeping on, as the old line goes.  ;)
    You'll see me proposing we stop Islamic immigration, but that's not because I'm prejudiced, it's simply because I'm against any immigration, or refugee intake, purely on social, environmental, and economic grounds, and I see Muslims having the most trouble adjusting to our Western ways. Given time enough for the few we already have to so adjust and become accepted enough that the prejudices around them weaken then more would fit in far easier than currently possible. It's as much the fault of the xenophobic Aussie as any immigrant behaviours, and given time and less pressure we do manage to get past that as a rule. 

wally1 wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 5:15pm:

bunch of uneducated

Yes apparently 600 million muslims are!


wally1 wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 5:15pm:

non practicing muslims

Oh well, that makes it all better then. Tell the victims that, they might feel relieved.

any comment on the actual crime statistics adamant?

Are you surprised that there doesn't seem to be the massive crime hot spot in the Lebanese-muslim areas of Sydney that we keep hearing about?

Do the members of a 'moslem community', have any significance or affect on particular crime rates, within a host country ?



Europe has had much, much more ISLAMIC immigration, than lucky, antipodean, Australia.

So,   ....how is it going for ya, Europe ???

Hmmmm ?




Google;
muslims earn sweden the title of "rape capital of the world"

Surely not!! ?




Quote:

"......Sweden, like the rest of the West, will have to come to terms with the fact that it can either have female equality or Muslim immigration.        It cannot have both."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-as-sexual-assaults-increase-500/

Quote:

..............Bankstown (northeast) zone has an official jobless rate of 11.6 per cent. By comparison, some suburbs in the neighbouring Sutherland Shire/St George labour force zone enjoy some of the lowest rates in the world, with Sutherland Shire (west) dropping to an official unemployment rate of 2.6 per cent..........

http://www.news.com.au/finance/city-of-haves-and-havent-got-a-job/story-e6frfm1i-1226316078595

tell the whole story please.

What story is that sprint - that the Lebanese of Bankstown are not the rapists and thugs we thought they were - even with a high unemployment rate?

Stratos wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Wonder if Herbert will show up to this conversation.  Muslim crime in Sydney is a topic very dear to his heart, hope he doesn't miss out

That's very kind of you to think of me, Stratos, but I can't imagine what I've said in the past that would prompt you to believe I have any interest in this subject.

But seeing as I have inadvertently and quite by accident found myself stumbling into this thread like a goat who's wandered into the backyard of a Muslim family at the end of the month of Ramadan, I feel it would be rude of me to simply retrace my steps without first venturing a few words by way of making a contribution here.

The Christian Assyrians from northern Iraq are currently very much in the news here in Sydney for all the wrong reasons. I've worked with young Assyrian refugees in a factory in Sydney for 9 months doing casual, and we were the best of friends, but I remember they were very keen on gang culture, and beating up their rivals.

The very best news Sydney's Muslim and Middle Eastern Christian communities could possibly hear from the federal government is that new agreements have been worked out that would allow Australia to deport their criminals back to the Old Country.

And please, let's not hear this apologist nonsense that they wouldn't know the language if they were to be sent back to their parent's country of origin.

And bullshit about 'Human Rights' violations.

There isn't a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Arab in any Western country who isn't perfectly fluent in written and spoken Arabic.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 7:53pm:

any comment on the actual crime statistics adamant? Are you surprised that there doesn't seem to be the massive crime hot spot in the Lebanese-muslim areas of Sydney that we keep hearing about?

'H', who was 16 years old when he participated in the rapes and who is said to have the mental age of a child, is now 30 and will walk from Sydney's Parklea Correctional Centre as early as February 18.

He is the second gang member to be set free from prison in six months, and his release will mean six members of the nine men convicted have been freed, although one, Mahmoud Sanoussi, is being held in custody on charges of allegedly bashing a cleaner in south western Sydney.

Mahmoud Sanoussi is now allegedly a member of Sydney's most notorious Middle Eastern gang, the Brothers For Life.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551306/Victim-degrading-Sydney-Olympics-gang-rapes-says-fearful-two-thirds-gang-released-Australian-prisons.html#ixzz32StmsUWJ

Wonder if his sentence will be reduced this time.

Adamant wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21st, 2014 at 7:53pm: any comment on the actual crime statistics adamant? Are you surprised that there doesn't seem to be the massive crime hot spot in the Lebanese-muslim areas of Sydney that we keep hearing about? 'H', who was 16 years old when he participated in the rapes and who is said to have the mental age of a child, is now 30 and will walk from Sydney's Parklea Correctional Centre as early as February 18. He is the second gang member to be set free from prison in six months, and his release will mean six members of the nine men convicted have been freed, although one, Mahmoud Sanoussi, is being held in custody on charges of allegedly bashing a cleaner in south western Sydney. Mahmoud Sanoussi is now allegedly a member of Sydney's most notorious Middle Eastern gang, the Brothers For Life. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551306/Victim-degrading-Sydney-Olympics-gang-rapes-says-fearful-two-thirds-gang-released-Australian-prisons.html#ixzz32StmsUWJ Wonder if his sentence will be reduced this time.

I would question why these particular criminals are labelled 'Lebanese' or 'Muslim'. They grew up in Australia, and prison chaplains have said that the prisoners did not identify with the Islamic religion.



Conversely when there were gangs of Vietnamese-descent selling heroin and murdering politicians in Sydney, it was not referred to as 'Buddhist crime'.


When Italian mafia groups were selling drugs and killing people, we did not refer to it as 'Catholic crime'.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:52am:

Quote: ..............Bankstown (northeast) zone has an official jobless rate of 11.6 per cent. By comparison, some suburbs in the neighbouring Sutherland Shire/St George labour force zone enjoy some of the lowest rates in the world, with Sutherland Shire (west) dropping to an official unemployment rate of 2.6 per cent.......... http://www.news.com.au/finance/city-of-haves-and-havent-got-a-job/story-e6frfm1i-1226316078595 tell the whole story please.

muslim ghetto, not contributing to Australia.
this has happened in England and europe.

Two more paedophile crims, probably get off because they did not know it was illegal. Who knows they might be pretend muslims or not even practising mo men.

Child bride, 12, given sex advice by her father and told not to use contraceptives after being forced to marry 26-year-old Lebanese immigrant, court told

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2634863/Child-bride-12-forced-marry-26-year-old-Lebanese-immigrant.html#ixzz32TExgii6

austranger wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 6:31pm:

You'll see me proposing we stop Islamic immigration, but that's not because I'm prejudiced, it's simply because I'm against any immigration, or refugee intake, purely on social, environmental, and economic grounds, and I see Muslims having the most trouble adjusting to our Western ways.

;D ;D ;D

Me too, aus!

I'm not xenophobic, Islamophobic, bigoted, or a pro-Conservative Anglophile who wants to preserve the White Christian majority status quo in Australia ... I'm just an all-round sweetheart sort of a guy who's everybody's friend ... but please ... no more wogs, bogs, spicks, dagoes, blacks, chinks, Muslims and towel-heads as immigrants for the foreseeable future.

I'm sure Gandalf, Waleed and Stratos will warm to your opinion, aus!  ;D

What a classic. Good enough to bottle.

The very best news Sydney's Muslim and Middle Eastern Christian communities could possibly hear from the federal government is that new agreements have been worked out that would allow Australia to deport their criminals back to the Old Country. By Herbert.


Great news but well overdue. Something has to be done as they are making a mess of many Sydney suburbs.

Adamant wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21st, 2014 at 7:53pm: any comment on the actual crime statistics adamant? Are you surprised that there doesn't seem to be the massive crime hot spot in the Lebanese-muslim areas of Sydney that we keep hearing about? 'H', who was 16 years old when he participated in the rapes and who is said to have the mental age of a child, is now 30 and will walk from Sydney's Parklea Correctional Centre as early as February 18. He is the second gang member to be set free from prison in six months, and his release will mean six members of the nine men convicted have been freed, although one, Mahmoud Sanoussi, is being held in custody on charges of allegedly bashing a cleaner in south western Sydney. Mahmoud Sanoussi is now allegedly a member of Sydney's most notorious Middle Eastern gang, the Brothers For Life. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551306/Victim-degrading-Sydney-Olympics-gang-rapes-says-fearful-two-thirds-gang-released-Australian-prisons.html#ixzz32StmsUWJ Wonder if his sentence will be reduced this time.

A simple 'no' would have sufficed.

Sparky wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:59am:

The very best news Sydney's Muslim and Middle Eastern Christian communities could possibly hear from the federal government is that new agreements have been worked out that would allow Australia to deport their criminals back to the Old Country. By Herbert. Great news but well overdue. Something has to be done as they are making a mess of many Sydney suburbs.

It's not just that, but the decent ones in our Middle Eastern communities have for too long been bearing the brunt of the backlash for the misbehaviour of their criminal class.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:42am:

austranger wrote on May 21st, 2014 at 6:31pm:       You'll see me proposing we stop Islamic immigration, but that's not because I'm prejudiced, it's simply because I'm against any immigration, or refugee intake, purely on social, environmental, and economic grounds, and I see Muslims having the most trouble adjusting to our Western ways. ;D ;D ;D Me too, aus! I'm not xenophobic, Islamophobic, bigoted, or a pro-Conservative Anglophile who wants to preserve the White Christian majority status quo in Australia ... I'm just an all-round sweetheart sort of a guy who's everybody's friend ... but please ... no more wogs, bogs, spicks, dagoes, blacks, chinks, Muslims and towel-heads as immigrants for the foreseeable future. I'm sure Gandalf, Waleed and Stratos will warm to your opinion, aus!  ;D What a classic. Good enough to bottle.

10/10

austranger wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 6:31pm:

I must say, your presence and persistence on this forum has been one of the reasons I joined, and am staying, if it wasn't so widely representative of today's Oz it would be far less interesting, so keep on keeping on, as the old line goes.  ;)

Just to point out this didn't go unnoticed. Uplifting and encouraging - thank you  :)

polite_gandalf wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 4:27pm:

austranger wrote on May 21st, 2014 at 6:31pm:         I must say, your presence and persistence on this forum has been one of the reasons I joined, and am staying, if it wasn't so widely representative of today's Oz it would be far less interesting, so keep on keeping on, as the old line goes.  ;) Just to point out this didn't go unnoticed. Uplifting and encouraging - thank you  :)

;D ;D ;D

Me too, Mufti Gandalf ...  8-)

You're the cream in my coffee
You're the salt in my stew
You'll always be my necessity
I'd be lost without you

You're the starch in my collar
You're the lace in my shoe
You'll always be my necessity
I'd be lost without you

You're the sail of my love boat
You're the captain and crew
You'll always be my necessity
I'd be lost without you

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/heartpump_zps0ad5f33a.gifhttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/ruffdiamond060/icon_cheesygrin_zps65a9b618.gif

   Well, despite M'Luds gently sarcastic jocularity, thanks.

             I've met, been friends with, worked with and dealt with various Muslims in various manners and places and they seem to me to be mostly just ordinary people trying to do their best, and I see no reason whatsoever to blame them for the actions of Fundamentalist Muslims, any more than I would blame Lord H for the extremist Christians around the place.
              And, just in case I wasn't clear enough M'Lud Herbie, I don't want to see Pommies, Yanks, Sth Afrikans, Irish or Canadians immigrating here, nor Frogs, Dago's or any other Europeans either, we need time to build and/or rebuild our infrastructure and services to accommodate the population we already have, despite the business community's greed and the Gov's stupidity.
            Lab'and Lib' may well appear to have different approaches and goals with immigrants and refugees but to me they're both wrong, plain and simple.

austranger wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:44pm:

Lab'and Lib' may well appear to have different approaches and goals with immigrants and refugees but to me they're both wrong, plain and simple.

At last we're on common ground.

When you say the parties are "both wrong" ~ I hope you're not implying they're unaware and unmindful of the social consequences of loading up our poorer city suburbs with great pools of unemployed, unskilled, and disaffected Third Worlders.

Both the major parties are entirely at the behest of the business community, with a nod to various signed UN Charters, Agreements, and Protocols.

Needless to say our 'democracy' is a sham and a travesty. It has always been the case that the business community runs this country's policies on immigration and other social issues.

***

Ask yourself why it is that people like Gandalf and Wally are highly resistant to the idea of having an indefinite moratorium on any further immigration.

They couldn't give a rat's arse if non-Muslim immigration was stopped.
 

Lord Herbert wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 8:27pm:

austranger wrote on May 22nd, 2014 at 6:44pm:               Lab'and Lib' may well appear to have different approaches and goals with immigrants and refugees but to me they're both wrong, plain and simple. At last we're on common ground. When you say the parties are "both wrong" ~ I hope you're not implying they're unaware and unmindful of the social consequences of loading up our poorer city suburbs with great pools of unemployed, unskilled, and disaffected Third Worlders. Both the major parties are entirely at the behest of the business community, with a nod to various signed UN Charters, Agreements, and Protocols. Needless to say our 'democracy' is a sham and a travesty. It has always been the case that the business community runs this country's policies on immigration and other social issues. *** Ask yourself why it is that people like Gandalf and Wally are highly resistant to the idea of having an indefinite moratorium on any further immigration. They couldn't give a rat's arse if non-Muslim immigration was stopped.

Might be worth a cull of the whinging POMs though.

We could send you home to Mother.

Gud is great.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 8:27pm:

austranger wrote on May 22nd, 2014 at 6:44pm:               Lab'and Lib' may well appear to have different approaches and goals with immigrants and refugees but to me they're both wrong, plain and simple. At last we're on common ground. When you say the parties are "both wrong" ~ I hope you're not implying they're unaware and unmindful of the social consequences of loading up our poorer city suburbs with great pools of unemployed, unskilled, and disaffected Third Worlders. Both the major parties are entirely at the behest of the business community, with a nod to various signed UN Charters, Agreements, and Protocols. Needless to say our 'democracy' is a sham and a travesty. It has always been the case that the business community runs this country's policies on immigration and other social issues. *** Ask yourself why it is that people like Gandalf and Wally are highly resistant to the idea of having an indefinite moratorium on any further immigration. They couldn't give a rat's arse if non-Muslim immigration was stopped.

      Agreement is achieved there M'Lud, Blind Freddy can see that both party's are dancing to the business community's piper, for their own reasons, mostly historical, in other words they sold their a*ses so long ago that business interests have become permanently imbedded, "knotted in" to be crude about it!  :o

   Personally I equate our "democracy" to a sex-slave, the "Party System" is effectively our Pimp and we have to cop it in every orifice and by any number of unwelcome users, individually and severally, at their command.  >:(

        I see nothing mysterious or unusual about immigrants wanting to bring more of their own here, we'd no doubt feel the same if we moved o/s, that's only human nature, and yet another clear demonstration of how alike we all are, they and YOU too.  ;)

Quote:

ASSAULT: (Violent and Non Violent) Per 100,000 population. 1. Sydney Central-  2,560 assaults per 100,000. 2. Campbelltown Council- 1,254 assaults per 100,000. 3. Auburn Council- 987 assaults per 100,000. 4. Liverpool Council- 971 assaults per 100,000. 5. Marrickville Council- 898 assaults per 100,000. 8. BANKSTOWN council- 819 assaults per 100,000. HOMICIDE: (Murder/Manslaughter etc.)  Per 100,000 population. 1.  Auburn Council- 7.6 homicide cases per 100,000. 2. Botany Bay Council- 7.4 homicide cases per 100,000. 3. Hunters Hill Council- 6.9 homicide cases per 100,000. 4. BANKSTOWN Council- 5.3 homicide cases per 100,000. 5. Sydney City Council- 2.7 homicide cases per 100,000. ROBBERY (With/Without Weapons) Per 100,000 population. 1. Sydney City Council- 323 robberies per 100,000. 2. Auburn Council- 165 robberies per 100,000. 3. Marrickville Council- 88 robberies per 100,000. 4. Liverpool Council- 86 robberies per 100,000. 5.  Botany Bay Council- 81 robberies per 100,000. 7. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 65 robberies per 100,000. SEXUAL OFFENCES (Assault/Rape Etc.) Per 100,000 population. 1. Sydney City Council- 273 sexual offences per 100,000. 2. Campbelltown Council- 170 sexual offences per 100,000. 3. Wollongong Council- 141 sexual offences per 100,000. 4. Liverpool Council- 141 sexual offences per 100,000. 5. Marrickville Council-  133 sexual offences per 100,000. 6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 119 sexual offences per 100,000. THEFT (Break/Enter, Fraud Etc.) Per 100,000 population. 1.  Sydney City Council- 12,995 theft cases per 100,000. 2. Marrickville Council- 4,293 theft cases per 100,000. 3. Liverpool Council- 3,951 theft cases per 100,000. 4. Botany Bay Council- 3,865 theft cases per 100,000. 5. Campbelltown Council- 3,793 theft cases per 100,000. 6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 3,613 theft cases per 100,000. MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE Per 100,000 population. 1. Sydney City Council- 1,834 cases per 1000,000. 2. Campbelltown Council- 1,416 cases per 100,000. 3. Marrickville Council- 1,117 cases per 100,000. 4. Wollongong Council- 1,082 cases per 100,000. 5. Liverpool Council- 864 cases per 100,000. 8. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 760 cases per 100,000. PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) Per 100,000 population. 1. Sydney City Council- 298 cases per 100,000. 2. Parramatta Council- 167 cases per 100,000. 3. Campbelltown Council- 159 cases per 100,000. 4. Penrith Council- 154 cases per 100,000. 5. Liverpool Council- 146 cases per 100,000. 6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 127 cases per 100,000.

There are hundreds of districts in N.S.W. the vast majority of them don't rate a mention.

Yet Bankstown is a threat of major concern in every single type of crime.

Is Bankstown a people friendly place?      
Is it a safe place?
What are the dangers of Bankstown, compared to the overwhelming majority of other districts in the State?
Well:

ASSAULT: (Violent and Non Violent) Per 100,000
8. BANKSTOWN council- 819 assaults per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number eight in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

HOMICIDE: (Murder/Manslaughter etc.)  Per 100,000 population.
4. BANKSTOWN Council- 5.3 homicide cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number four in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

ROBBERY (With/Without Weapons) Per 100,000 population.
7. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 65 robberies per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number seven in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

SEXUAL OFFENCES (Assault/Rape Etc.) Per 100,000 population.
6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 119 sexual offences per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

THEFT (Break/Enter, Fraud Etc.) Per 100,000 population.
6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 3,613 theft cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE Per 100,000 population.
8. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 760 cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number eight in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.


PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) Per 100,000 population.
6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 127 cases per 100,000.
So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention.

Compared to several hundred other districts which are not on the radar as far as crime is concerned, Bankstown is a cesspit of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons.

muslims are over represented in our prisons, Bankstown muslims have been in the news as being an extremely high proportion of the criminals in Bankstown.

austranger wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:15pm:

I see nothing mysterious or unusual about immigrants wanting to bring more of their own here, we'd no doubt feel the same if we moved o/s, that's only human nature, and yet another clear demonstration of how alike we all are, they and YOU too.  ;)

Ah-HA! You fell neatly into the trap I had laid for you. Some use cheese, some use a tethered goat, others use a duck-quacker while hiding in the reeds.

I used your own hubris. ('Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence'.  8-)

Read your own paragraph above and tell me how this differs from Australians not wanting their society to be flooded with alien races, incompatible religions, and 'multicultural' (non-Australian) divisions?

In previous posts you've felt at liberty to refer to these Australians as bigots, xenophobes and racists.

If there's nothing morally objectionable about Australians who live overseas wanting that foreign country to filter-out immigration from non-Australian sources as a means of increasing their own numbers, then why is it any less moral and acceptable for homeland Australians to wish the same?

moses wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 5:33am:

There are hundreds of districts in N.S.W. the vast majority of them don't rate a mention. Yet Bankstown is a threat of major concern in every single type of crime.

The important point is how it compares to the rest of NSW. In every crime except homicide, Bankstown is below or almost the same as the overall NSW rate.

If Bankstown is a threat of concern, then so is most of NSW.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

moses wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 5:33am: There are hundreds of districts in N.S.W. the vast majority of them don't rate a mention. Yet Bankstown is a threat of major concern in every single type of crime. The important point is how it compares to the rest of NSW. In every crime except homicide, Bankstown is below or almost the same as the overall NSW rate. If Bankstown is a threat of concern, then so is most of NSW.

There's one problem here. The Russian proverb: 'Don't piss in your own soup' applies here.

The local tearaways know better than to antagonise their Muslim neighbours with committing crimes on their doorsteps. Hence they are more likely to 'offend' outside of their home ground.

Grand Duke Imam Gandalf wrote:

Quote:

The important point is how it compares to the rest of NSW. In every crime except homicide, Bankstown is below or almost the same as the overall NSW rate. If Bankstown is a threat of concern, then so is most of NSW.

Bankstown is rated in the TOP TEN of major crimes spots in N.S.W.

In every category of crime Bankstown is in the TOP TEN of crime districts.

Hundreds of other districts don't even rate a mention in crime statistics.

Bankstown is a major concern to law enforcement, because it is in the TOP TEN of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons, in N.S.W.

Overall the vastly overwhelming majority (the rest of N.S.W.) are not of any concern to law enforcement agencies.

::) God moses, you really do make it easy don't you?

The ranking is top ten for Sydney not NSW.

When I pointed out that for nearly all crimes Bankstown is at or below the NSW average, that should have raised some alarm bells that it would be impossible for Bankstown to be in the top 10 for those crimes in NSW.

So for example, for sexual assault, Bankstown is ranked 102 out of all 155 LGAs in NSW.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 8:28am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 8:10am: moses wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 5:33am: There are hundreds of districts in N.S.W. the vast majority of them don't rate a mention. Yet Bankstown is a threat of major concern in every single type of crime. The important point is how it compares to the rest of NSW. In every crime except homicide, Bankstown is below or almost the same as the overall NSW rate. If Bankstown is a threat of concern, then so is most of NSW. There's one problem here. The Russian proverb: 'Don't piss in your own soup' applies here. The local tearaways know better than to antagonise their Muslim neighbours with committing crimes on their doorsteps. Hence they are more likely to 'offend' outside of their home ground.

Does that mean they don’t vandalize their local library books?

Please explain.

bankstown is in sydney .

With other sydney suburbs is a good comparison.

moses wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 10:58am:

Grand Duke Imam Gandalf wrote: Quote: The important point is how it compares to the rest of NSW. In every crime except homicide, Bankstown is below or almost the same as the overall NSW rate. If Bankstown is a threat of concern, then so is most of NSW. Bankstown is rated in the TOP TEN of major crimes spots in N.S.W. In every category of crime Bankstown is in the TOP TEN of crime districts. Hundreds of other districts don't even rate a mention in crime statistics. Bankstown is a major concern to law enforcement, because it is in the TOP TEN of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons, in N.S.W. Overall the vastly overwhelming majority (the rest of N.S.W.) are not of any concern to law enforcement agencies.

Those statistics are not all from locals.

People from other areas from sydney come to for example bankstown and commit crime, then thats gives the impression that the bankstown locals are involved in crimes.

For exmple this victim was shot in Greenacre, but lives in rhodes

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/man-shot-dead-in-greenacre-street/story-fndo4bst-1226598567842

But more remarkable were the occupants of the house. They were very recent arrivals from Lebanon, and from the moment we entered the premises, we wrestled and fought with the male occupants, were abused and spat at by the women and children, and our search took five times longer because of the impediments placed before us by the occupants, including the women hiding heroin in baby nappies and on themselves and refusing to be searched by policewomen because of religious beliefs. We had never encountered these problems before.

Lebanese family terrorises neighbourhood

The rise of Middle Eastern crime groups in NSW

Lebanese gangs intimidate police

The Lebanese groups were ruthless, extremely violent, and they intimidated not only innocent witnesses, but even the police that attempted to arrest them.

When searching the vehicle and finding stolen property from the break-and-enter, the police were physically threatened by the three occupants of the car, including references to tracking down where the officers lived, killing them and "smacking your girlfriends". The two officers were intimidated to the point of retreating to their police car and calling for urgent assistance.

In the minds of the local population, the police were cowards and the message was, Lebs rule the streets.

By avoiding confrontations with these thugs, the police gave away the streets in many of these areas in south-western Sydney

Spread of criminal gangs aided by incompetent police leadership

So pervasive is their influence on organised crime that rival ethnic groups, with the exception of the Asian gangs, have been squeezed out or made extinct.

Extortion and attacks on Australians

A large number of Middle Eastern males would enter the club, upwards of twenty at a time. They would outnumber the security staff and begin assaulting Australian male patrons, sometimes stabbing them.

Racial attacks against young Australians

Ethnic gangs aided and protected by multicultural industry

National threat

Tim Priest

Grand Duke Imam Gandalf Wrote:


Quote:

God moses, you really do make it easy don't you? The ranking is top ten for Sydney not NSW. When I pointed out that for nearly all crimes Bankstown is at or below the NSW average, that should have raised some alarm bells that it would be impossible for Bankstown to be in the top 10 for those crimes in NSW. So for example, for sexual assault, Bankstown is ranked 102 out of all 155 LGAs in NSW.

O.K. I'll go along with the fact I jumped the gun and thought the statistics were for the entire state.

However Banktown is still one of the most dangerous places in the Sydney Area

Sydney has 40 local government areas, each consisting of several suburbs

Local Government Areas Sydney
Ashfield                     
Auburn
Bankstown
Blacktown
Botany Bay
Burwood
Camden
Campbelltown
Canada Bay
Canterbury
Fairfield
Hawkesbury
Holroyd
Hornsby
Hunters Hill
Hurstville
Kogarah
Ku-Ring-Gai
Lane Cove
Leichhardt
Liverpool
Manly
Marrickville
Mosman
North Sydney
Parramatta
Penrith
Pittwater
Randwick
Rockdale
Ryde
Strathfield
Sutherland Shire
Sydney
The Hills Shire
Warringah
Waverley
Willoughby
Wollongong
Woollahra

Bankstown is in the top ten of the above Local Govt Areas, for the crimes of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons.

Bankstown is no paragon of virtue. There are over thirty of the councils in the Sydney Area which have less crime and are safer, people friendly areas than Bankstown

Bankstown is in western Sydney, the lowest socio-economic area of Sydney. Pretty much all of Western Sydney is in the top half for all crimes - as you would expect. Of course there's no comparison between high unemployment working class/immigrant area of western Sydney with places like leafy St Ives or exclusive Pittwater.

What seems to be the case though is that just within those working class, high unemployment areas of western Sydney, Bankstown doesn't stand out as one of the worst, and in fact is probably one of the better ones.

so, bankstown which was intended to show the law abiding ways of muslims has exploded on you.

it is in the top 10 of criminal zones, has over twice the unemployment of adjoining areas.

What a failure of a thread this is.
How false of you to start it.

I have learnt to never trust any muslim. Ever.

Let's put to rest once and for all this patently silly excuse that criminal behaviour is the product of impoverished circumstances.

Most of the world's population lives well below the poverty-line, and without the safety-net of a Centrelink ~ and yet the vast majority who live under Third World conditions are not criminals.

Criminal behaviour in Western societies is all about greed, and has nothing to do with keeping body and soul together, but is about wanting to buy the toys that cannot be afforded by a life-style on the dole.

The highest unemployment rate in Sydney is among the various Muslim communities, and is entirely due to a cultural attitude that has its roots in the Middle East.

And these are the very same who are way over-represented in our courts and our prisons, with the reason being that a preferred life-style of idleness on the dole is simply not enough to afford them the expensive toys that working people can buy themselves.

They want the best of both worlds: A life of ease and sloth, but also the electronic goodies and cars that give pleasure and social status.

So, if anybody tries to sell you the crock about 'poverty' being the reason for crime in Western countries that have generous welfare systems ~ tell them to go take a flying CENSORED.

 

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Most of the world's population lives well below the poverty-line, and without the safety-net of a Centrelink ~ and yet the vast majority who live under Third World conditions are not criminals.

Here's a radical thought Herb: Third world countries have a hell of a lot higher crime rate than even the western suburbs of Sydney. Probably even higher than the most notorious Aboriginal places like Burke.

An even more radical thought: the vast majority of people living in even the worst crime affected areas in Australia are not criminals.

What point exactly were you trying to make Herb? 

There's nothing I said that needs explaining or footnotes to understand.

You're intelligent enough to recognise that what I've said is close enough to the truth ~ but whether you have the humility of character to admit to this is another matter.

I lived for 7 years in China surrounded by poverty, and it was rare to see the police make a visit in the local area.

I'm not going to play diversionary games of obfuscation with you, gandalf. I'll leave that for others to do.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 8:59pm:

I'm not going to play diversionary games of obfuscation with you, gandalf. I'll leave that for others to do.

Thats good. So lets be crystal clear then: the crime rates in third world countries are about a million times worse than first world countries, and attempting to infer the opposite is absurd. Almost as absurd as the claim that crime has nothing to do with socio-economic factors.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:29pm:

so, bankstown which was intended to show the law abiding ways of muslims has exploded on you. it is in the top 10 of criminal zones, has over twice the unemployment of adjoining areas. What a failure of a thread this is. How false of you to start it. I have learnt to never trust any muslim. Ever.

bump

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 7:29pm: so, bankstown which was intended to show the law abiding ways of muslims has exploded on you. it is in the top 10 of criminal zones, has over twice the unemployment of adjoining areas. What a failure of a thread this is. How false of you to start it. I have learnt to never trust any muslim. Ever. bump

According to ABS statistics, Bankstown is more than 80% non-Muslim.

The biggest religious group in the area are the Catholics who make up close to a third of the population.

Perhaps we should be focused on Catholic crime?

http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2011/quickstat/LGA10350?opendocument&navpos=220

moses wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 5:33am:

[quote] There are hundreds of districts in N.S.W. the vast majority of them don't rate a mention. Yet Bankstown is a threat of major concern in every single type of crime. Is Bankstown a people friendly place?       Is it a safe place? What are the dangers of Bankstown, compared to the overwhelming majority of other districts in the State? Well: ASSAULT: (Violent and Non Violent) Per 100,000 8. BANKSTOWN council- 819 assaults per 100,000. So Bankstown comes in as number eight in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention. HOMICIDE: (Murder/Manslaughter etc.)  Per 100,000 population. 4. BANKSTOWN Council- 5.3 homicide cases per 100,000. So Bankstown comes in as number four in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention. ROBBERY (With/Without Weapons) Per 100,000 population. 7. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 65 robberies per 100,000. So Bankstown comes in as number seven in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention. SEXUAL OFFENCES (Assault/Rape Etc.) Per 100,000 population. 6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 119 sexual offences per 100,000. So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention. THEFT (Break/Enter, Fraud Etc.) Per 100,000 population. 6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 3,613 theft cases per 100,000. So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention. MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE Per 100,000 population. 8. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 760 cases per 100,000. So Bankstown comes in as number eight in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention. PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) Per 100,000 population. 6. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 127 cases per 100,000. So Bankstown comes in as number six in the top ten, while literally hundreds of other districts don't rate a mention. Compared to several hundred other districts which are not on the radar as far as crime is concerned, Bankstown is a cesspit of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons. muslims are over represented in our prisons, Bankstown muslims have been in the news as being an extremely high proportion of the criminals in Bankstown.

Hang on, Bankstown has lower crime rates than the NSW average in most types of crime stats collected:


Sexual offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 148.8
Bankstown  - 119.2



Malicious property damage (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 1051
Bankstown  - 760



Assault (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 894
Bankstown  - 819



Break and enter house (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 486
Bankstown  - 395



Break and enter other (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 206
Bankstown  - 126



Receiving/handling stolen goods (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 92
Bankstown  - 80



Shoplifting (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 300
Bankstown  - 229




Steal from house (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 298
Bankstown  - 170



Steal from person  (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 99
Bankstown  - 47



Abduction/kidnapping  (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 3.6
Bankstown  - 2.6



Violation of court order/justice procedures (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 739
Bankstown  - 566



Arson  (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 94
Bankstown  - 72



Drug offences (offences per 100,000 people)
NSW          - 618
Bankstown  - 505


Disorderly Conduct  (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 322
Bankstown  - 122



Liquor offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 196
Bankstown  - 26



Weapons offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 131
Bankstown  - 127



Prostitution offences (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 0.6
Bankstown  - 0.5



Trespass (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 121
Bankstown  - 57



Breach AVO (offences per 100,000 people)

NSW          - 180
Bankstown  - 139

I'm sure that those people affected by the crimes of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons, in the Bankstown area are overpoweringly comforted by the fact that there are other places with higher rates of crime.

muslims and their supporters can never accept responsibility for their own actions, they always have to go back in time (up to 3,550 years ago in some cases), blame somebody else, quote somebody else's problems etc. etc.

The facts are that people are impacted on by the here and now of their own personal demographic situation.

The Bankstown population is 194,359 people

Their crime stats are:
BANKSTOWN council- 819 ASSAULTS per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN Council- 5.3 HOMICIDES cases per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 119 SEXUAL OFFENCES per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 65 ROBBERIES per 100,000

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 3,613 THEFT cases per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 760 MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE cases per 100,000.

BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 127 PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) cases per 100,000.

As there are 194,359 people in Bankstown you would multiply the number of cases per 100,000 by 1.9 to get a very accurate number of the actual crimes committed

So there are:

1556.1 ASSAULTS in Bankstown per year.

10.07 HOMICIDES in Bankstown per year.

226.1 SEXUAL OFFENCES in Bankstown per year.

123.5 ROBBERIES in Bankstown per year.

6864.7 THEFT cases in Bankstown per year.

1444  MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE cases in Bankstown per year.

241.3 PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) cases in Bankstown per year.

The decent people in the Sydney area, especially those in the Bankstown council area are not interested in the rest of the world, not interested in the excuses of the muslims and their supporters, they want to clean up Bankstown, reduce crime, make their area safer and more people friendly for themselves and their kids.

The only way to do that is to face the truth, accept responsibility for Bankstown being in the top ten for murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons (Guns etc.).

muslims are over-represented in our prisons, the media regularly reports on their higher than normal participation in crime.

SO accept the truth, accept responsibility for yourselves, do something about your problems.

0f the 40 councils in the Sydney area over 30 of them have less crime, are safer and better places to live than Bankstown.

Why aren't you aiming to improve Bankstown for the benefit of decent people and their kids?

Get into the bottom 10, not the top ten for murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons (Guns etc.).

Stop making excuses and blaming everybody else.

moses wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 4:25am:

muslims are over-represented in our prisons, the media regularly reports on their higher than normal participation in crime.

Link?

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

moses wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 4:25am: muslims are over-represented in our prisons, the media regularly reports on their higher than normal participation in crime. Link?

Too afraid to look for yourself?

Do you want to be educated or blindly partisan?

So why is Bankstown in the top 10 (out of 40?) in Sydney, but below average in NSW? Is it because rural areas have higher crime rates, or the top two or three areas push up the average?


Quote:

I understand your point of view gandalf, im just waiting for the tsunami of posts from yadda, moses, herbert, freediver, sprintcyclist,soren etc to attack the muslim community because of a bunch of uneducated non practicing muslims who happened to do a terrible crime.

Was it some kind of accident?


Quote:

People from other areas from sydney come to for example bankstown and commit crime, then thats gives the impression that the bankstown locals are involved in crimes.

;D

Muslims are the victims, yet again. The Bankstown Muslims have no choice but to invade neighbouring LGAs and establish a caliphate.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Too afraid to look for yourself?

I did look and found no data on religion/crime statistics for any demographic.

Maybe you could fine them?  I'm sure it would be in your and Moses argument's best interest

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

So why is Bankstown in the top 10 (out of 40?) in Sydney, but below average in NSW? Is it because rural areas have higher crime rates, or the top two or three areas push up the average?

It's because of indigenous crime in the country towns and elsewhere.

And then the Muslims in South West Sydney have some stiff competition from the Abos in the Redfern and Waterloo inner-suburbs, and the Vietnamese in the Cabramatta and Campsie areas ... and the Pacific Islanders in the Mt Druitt area.

The Negroes haven't really made their mark yet, but I'm sure the dole-reliant among them have aspirations for finding ... er ...  'irregular' means of acquiring the necessary cash to pay for their bling and luxury goodies.

Incidentally, I lived in the Redfern area for awhile where all the cafe owners were tough little Greeks who weren't afraid of anyone. They stayed open until 11 or so at night.

Years later I was doing a few weeks of casual work in the Bankstown area, and would buy some sandwiches at a Greek cafe just opposite the station. I noticed the closing time was around 6 in the evening ~ which immediately struck me as very odd.

So when I asked the owner about it he said ...  "The cockroaches come out at night and make it a problem to stay open after around 6".

Gandalf the statistics mean little, it does not prove that muslims are less or more violent than others. A letter attached to the article asked how many of the crimes were committed by muslims and how many were in jail, This because the writer was trying to explain away Lebanese muslim crime.

Also Bankstown muslims might prefer to commit crime elsewhere.

It could be that 50% of all crime in Sydney and its surrounds are committed by Leb muslims from Bankstown!

See how much information the figures portray. 

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:51am: Too afraid to look for yourself? I did look and found no data on religion/crime statistics for any demographic. Maybe you could fine them?  I'm sure it would be in your and Moses argument's best interest

Credit to you for trying. I'll see what I can find out.

To those of us who live in Sydney it's well known that when the news bulletins mention "south west Sydney" in relation to some criminal activity ~ it's code for "Muslims up to Mischief again".

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It's no accident that the professional ethnics from the top crime communities lobbied the government successfully to have the ethnicity of prisoners no longer recorded and published for general viewing.

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However ... some interesting information link

If there wasn't an issue as the author and few apologists state then why do they have their own crime unit??

True Colours wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 2:04am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 10:59pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 7:29pm: so, bankstown which was intended to show the law abiding ways of muslims has exploded on you. it is in the top 10 of criminal zones, has over twice the unemployment of adjoining areas. What a failure of a thread this is. How false of you to start it. I have learnt to never trust any muslim. Ever. bump According to ABS statistics, Bankstown is more than 80% non-Muslim. The biggest religious group in the area are the Catholics who make up close to a third of the population. Perhaps we should be focused on Catholic crime? http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2011/quickstat/LGA10350?opendocument&navpos=220

and adjoining areas with far fewer muslims have much higher employment and much lower crime.

More muslims, more unemployment and more problems.

Look at the evidence with 20% muslims.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

To those of us who live in Sydney it's well known that when the news bulletins mention "south west Sydney" in relation to some criminal activity ~ it's code for "Muslims up to Mischief again".

I see what you mean Lord Herbert.

An Australian-born Islamic fundamentalist who has been under surveillance as a terror threat for four years is one of two men to have been arrested by police over a shooting at a club in Sydney’s west that left one man fighting for his life.

Last Tuesday, police attached to Strike Force Maloney arrested and charged 23-year-old Milad Bin Ahmad-Shah Al-Ahmadzai (pictured) at Goulburn Jail, where he was already being held after he threatened a member of Australia’s Joint Counter Terrorism Team, also in May.

http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/local-news/new-south-wales-news/breakthrough-in-rydalmere-club-shooting-case/110901

This lovely Leb showed his respect in court recently.

Milad Bin Ahmad-Shah al-Ahmadzai, 24, yesterday declined to stand as he pleaded guilty to threatening serious harm to a Commonwealth official and using a carriage service to harass and menace.

His lawyer Nick Hanna yesterday told the District Court his client’s refusal to stand was due to his religion ( read death cult)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/muslim-man-refuses-to-stand-in-court-due-to-religion/story-fni0cx12-1229629228808

I've said it before, aus ~ no people would be more pleased to have these Muslim villains sent out of the country than the Muslim community itself.

The current policy simply allows these bad eggs to be recycled back into the community to Carry on as Usual.

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 10:28am: To those of us who live in Sydney it's well known that when the news bulletins mention "south west Sydney" in relation to some criminal activity ~ it's code for "Muslims up to Mischief again". I see what you mean Lord Herbert. An Australian-born Islamic fundamentalist who has been under surveillance as a terror threat for four years is one of two men to have been arrested by police over a shooting at a club in Sydney’s west that left one man fighting for his life. Last Tuesday, police attached to Strike Force Maloney arrested and charged 23-year-old Milad Bin Ahmad-Shah Al-Ahmadzai (pictured) at Goulburn Jail, where he was already being held after he threatened a member of Australia’s Joint Counter Terrorism Team, also in May. http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/local-news/new-south-wales-news/breakthrough-in-rydalmere-club-shooting-case/110901 This lovely Leb showed his respect in court recently. Milad Bin Ahmad-Shah al-Ahmadzai, 24, yesterday declined to stand as he pleaded guilty to threatening serious harm to a Commonwealth official and using a carriage service to harass and menace. His lawyer Nick Hanna yesterday told the District Court his client’s refusal to stand was due to his religion ( read death cult) http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/muslim-man-refuses-to-stand-in-court-due-to-religion/story-fni0cx12-1229629228808

He is not lebanese, he is afghani you [valued member of the forum]

moses wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 4:25am:

I'm sure that those people affected by the crimes of murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons, in the Bankstown area are overpoweringly comforted by the fact that there are other places with higher rates of crime. muslims and their supporters can never accept responsibility for their own actions, they always have to go back in time (up to 3,550 years ago in some cases), blame somebody else, quote somebody else's problems etc. etc. The facts are that people are impacted on by the here and now of their own personal demographic situation. The Bankstown population is 194,359 people Their crime stats are: BANKSTOWN council- 819 ASSAULTS per 100,000. BANKSTOWN Council- 5.3 HOMICIDES cases per 100,000. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 119 SEXUAL OFFENCES per 100,000. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 65 ROBBERIES per 100,000 BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 3,613 THEFT cases per 100,000. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 760 MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE cases per 100,000. BANKSTOWN COUNCIL- 127 PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) cases per 100,000. As there are 194,359 people in Bankstown you would multiply the number of cases per 100,000 by 1.9 to get a very accurate number of the actual crimes committed So there are: 1556.1 ASSAULTS in Bankstown per year. 10.07 HOMICIDES in Bankstown per year. 226.1 SEXUAL OFFENCES in Bankstown per year. 123.5 ROBBERIES in Bankstown per year. 6864.7 THEFT cases in Bankstown per year. 1444  MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE cases in Bankstown per year. 241.3 PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) cases in Bankstown per year. The decent people in the Sydney area, especially those in the Bankstown council area are not interested in the rest of the world, not interested in the excuses of the muslims and their supporters, they want to clean up Bankstown, reduce crime, make their area safer and more people friendly for themselves and their kids. The only way to do that is to face the truth, accept responsibility for Bankstown being in the top ten for murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons (Guns etc.). muslims are over-represented in our prisons, the media regularly reports on their higher than normal participation in crime. SO accept the truth, accept responsibility for yourselves, do something about your problems. 0f the 40 councils in the Sydney area over 30 of them have less crime, are safer and better places to live than Bankstown. Why aren't you aiming to improve Bankstown for the benefit of decent people and their kids? Get into the bottom 10, not the top ten for murder, assault, robbery, sexual assaults / rapes, theft, malicious property damage and prohibited use of weapons (Guns etc.). Stop making excuses and blaming everybody else.

Everybody nows your a narrow minded islamophobe.

Just last week the police arrested a criminal gang comprising of asian crime gangs, bra boys , bikies and middle easterners.

Police also last week dismantled a violent christian assyrian crime gang in fairfield.

Of course its always the muslims fault.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-15/nsw-organised-crime-hells-angels-commancheros-taipan/5453124

wally1 wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

you weirdo.

Is this "personal" abuse Gandalf.

If not, I will respond in "kind".

Quote:

I've said it before, aus ~ no people would be more pleased to have these Muslim villains sent out of the country than the Muslim community itself.

Speak for yourself Herbert.

wally1 wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

He is not lebanese, he is afghani you weirdo.

... er... Muslim?

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

wally1 wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 12:03pm: you weirdo. Is this "personal" abuse Gandalf. If not, I will respond in "kind".

Yeah maybe gandalf should edit it, and take out weirdo and replace it with liar, or fabricator or misinformed individual.

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Quote: I've said it before, aus ~ no people would be more pleased to have these Muslim villains sent out of the country than the Muslim community itself. Speak for yourself Herbert.

The criminals ~ yes ~ "Deport them" the general Muslim community here would say.

But the proactive Islamists? ~ no ~ the broader Muslim community would not like them to be exiled back to the Middle East. They recognise these 'activists' are the front-line soldiers in getting Islam to acquire certain authority over the Australian mainstream.

(Halal foods in schools, supermarkets, fast food outlets, etc).

wally1 wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Adamant wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 12:15pm: wally1 wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 12:03pm: you weirdo. Is this "personal" abuse Gandalf. If not, I will respond in "kind". Yeah maybe gandalf should edit it, and take out weirdo and replace it with liar, or fabricator or misinformed individual.

I'm not in the least bit offended.

Carry on Regardless, Waleed.

Exactly the same from me, muslims and their supporters trying all the tricks in the book to silence criticism, instead of accepting responsibilty for their problems, doesn't have any effect on me personally, more to the point it substantiates my position

Time is of the essence Gandalf and is Running out!

If you ask me, trying to prove that Muslims are inherently violent by using  stats that show that Bankstown actually has less crime than the state average is weird on many levels.

True Colours wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

If you ask me, trying to prove that Muslims are inherently violent by using  stats that show that Bankstown actually has less crime than the state average is weird on many levels.

Fvuck Off "Weird" CVUNT.

Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad
The Squad conducts multi level investigations and develops intelligence products on Middle Eastern Organised Crime groups including those who have a propensity for violence.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/structure/operations_command/state_crime_command

Dedicated Middle Eastern police squad. But as every Muslim school boy knows, the Middle East has nuffin' to do wiv Islam, of course.  Oddly - or is it institutional racism? - there is no North European or even a South European squad.



And Muslims are significantly overrepresented in the prison population of every non-Muslim country where there are Muslims, including Australia.

Must be a Jooooo conspiracy.

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Is this "personal" abuse Gandalf.

Yes and its been removed.

True Colours wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

If you ask me, trying to prove that Muslims are inherently violent by using  stats that show that Bankstown actually has less crime than the state average is weird on many levels.

the stats show bankstown has higher crime than most of sydney

Muslims playing with statistics to hide Bankstown's obvious problem? No surprise there. If you don't acknowledge the problem, there is no need to solve it.


Quote:

The criminals ~ yes ~ "Deport them" the general Muslim community here would say.

Can you quote one?

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

So why is Bankstown in the top 10 (out of 40?) in Sydney, but below average in NSW? Is it because rural areas have higher crime rates, or the top two or three areas push up the average?

Actually, looking at this site:

http://crimetool.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/bocsar/

Bankstown has one of the lowest robbery rates in Sydney. It was also amongst the lowest for malicious damage and drugs. Bankstown was roughly in the middle range in Sydney for most other crimes.

True Colours wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:55am: So why is Bankstown in the top 10 (out of 40?) in Sydney, but below average in NSW? Is it because rural areas have higher crime rates, or the top two or three areas push up the average? Actually, looking at this site: http://crimetool.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/bocsar/ Bankstown has one of the lowest robbery rates in Sydney. It was also amongst the lowest for malicious damage and drugs. Bankstown was roughly in the middle range in Sydney for most other crimes.

Why do they have a middle eastern crime squad then????

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Muslims playing with statistics to hide Bankstown's obvious problem? No surprise there. If you don't acknowledge the problem, there is no need to solve it. Quote: The criminals ~ yes ~ "Deport them" the general Muslim community here would say. Can you quote one?

Sounds like Nazi talk. I don't know of any Nazi Muslims.

How about we deport Catholic criminals? Is that fair too? Or are you against equality?

True Colours wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

freediver wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Muslims playing with statistics to hide Bankstown's obvious problem? No surprise there. If you don't acknowledge the problem, there is no need to solve it. Quote: The criminals ~ yes ~ "Deport them" the general Muslim community here would say. Can you quote one? Sounds like Nazi talk. I don't know of any Nazi Muslims. How about we deport Catholic criminals? Is that fair too? Or are you against equality?

There were nazi muslims actually. Look it up. The grand mufti of Jerusalem met the fuhrer actually. There's pictures of the meeting.

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

And Muslims are significantly overrepresented in the prison population of every non-Muslim country where there are Muslims, including Australia.

Moses said this too but chickened out of actually finding evidence.  Is there any?

Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything.

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Soren wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 5:00pm: And Muslims are significantly overrepresented in the prison population of every non-Muslim country where there are Muslims, including Australia. Moses said this too but chickened out of actually finding evidence.  Is there any?

As you seem unable to find any links to muslim crime stats would you like me to oblige, I offer my service free to the afflicted and mentally challenged, such as your good self.

Please respond, if you are able.

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything.

Any proof of that Ian?

Quote:

.......The states with the most disproportionate amount of Muslims in jail are Maharashtra, Gujarat and Kerala. In Maharashtra, Muslims account for 10.6% of the general population, yet they comprise 32.4% of the prison population. For those incarcerated on terms of less than a year, the figure rises – 42% of prisoners on short-term sentences in the state are Muslim. In Gujarat, where Muslims account for 9.06% of the populace, they account for 25% of all prison inmates. Assam has the second-highest number of Muslims in its population (Jammu & Kashmir state has the highest), at 30.9% of the general populace. Yet in this state, there are fewer Muslims in jail – 28.1%. Karnataka state has a general population comprising 12.23% Muslims, yet its jail population is 17.5% Muslim. ....

http://themmindset.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/why-so-many-muslims-in-prisons/

Quote:

.......The states with the most disproportionate amount of Muslims in jail are Maharashtra, Gujarat and Kerala. In Maharashtra, Muslims account for 10.6% of the general population, yet they comprise 32.4% of the prison population. For those incarcerated on terms of less than a year, the figure rises – 42% of prisoners on short-term sentences in the state are Muslim. In Gujarat, where Muslims account for 9.06% of the populace, they account for 25% of all prison inmates. Assam has the second-highest number of Muslims in its population (Jammu & Kashmir state has the highest), at 30.9% of the general populace. Yet in this state, there are fewer Muslims in jail – 28.1%. Karnataka state has a general population comprising 12.23% Muslims, yet its jail population is 17.5% Muslim. ....

http://themmindset.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/why-so-many-muslims-in-prisons/

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Muslims playing with statistics to hide Bankstown's obvious problem? No surprise there. If you don't acknowledge the problem, there is no need to solve it. Quote: The criminals ~ yes ~ "Deport them" the general Muslim community here would say. Can you quote one?

No I can't.

Are you suggesting the bulk of the Muslim community welcomes the stigma and bad reputation that comes with their young criminals making the nightly news here in Sydney?

I prefer to believe they would gladly be rid of them.

I am saying that you will not find a single one that says they support sending criminal Muslims back to the middle east.

And that you should speak for yourself.

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:00pm:

I am saying that you will not find a single one that says they support sending criminal Muslims back to the middle east.

Are you speaking for yourself?

I am predicting the future of things we all know.

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Stratos wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:29pm: Soren wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 5:00pm: And Muslims are significantly overrepresented in the prison population of every non-Muslim country where there are Muslims, including Australia. Moses said this too but chickened out of actually finding evidence.  Is there any? As you seem unable to find any links to muslim crime stats would you like me to oblige, I offer my service free to the afflicted and mentally challenged, such as your good self. Please respond, if you are able.

I didn't make a claim, I asked someone else to substantiate theirs. 

Google "burden of proof" if you are still confused.

Oh and by the way, no-one has, and as such there is no evidence provided to suggest that Muslims are over-represented in Australian prisons.

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20Features~Country%20of%20Birth~17

Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out.
Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives.
Vietnam - charlie don't surf.
Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else.

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

ian wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:30pm: Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20Features~Country%20of%20Birth~17 Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out. Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives. Vietnam - charlie don't surf. Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else.

Muslim population of Australia is approximately 2.5% right?  The only countries with a greater representation of the prison population than that are those born in Australia and NZ.

Also, how do you explain that Aussies have a very similar incarceration rate to freaking Afghanistan?

Or how about the second highest incarceration rate is from a country that is 99% Christian, and the ENTIRE COUNTRY has only one mosque?

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

ian wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:30pm: Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20Features~Country%20of%20Birth~17 Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out. Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives. Vietnam - charlie don't surf. Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else.

the statistics refer to country of birth, not religion. Try again

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Soren wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 9:58pm: ian wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:30pm: Its not correct, Muslims are probably under represented if anything. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2013~Main%20Features~Country%20of%20Birth~17 Muslims - Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon stand out. Samoa, PNG - the regional primitives. Vietnam - charlie don't surf. Sudan - hello?? Are they black? Noooooo. It's something else. the statistics refer to country of birth, not religion. Try again

Yeah, zif in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Sudan you could be any religion you wanted to be.


What's wrong with you??

We have a lot of refugees here who have fled these countries because they are not Muslims and are discriminated against in these countries. I also do not think that religion is a major determining factor in criminal behaviour.

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

We have a lot of refugees here who have fled these countries because they are not Muslims and are discriminated against in these countries. I also do not think that religion is a major determining factor in criminal behaviour.

See top three represented by Soren's data for this.

no. 1, 2, and 3 are a Christian, Muslim and a country of mixed religion in terms of prison representation by country of birth.

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Adamant wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:57pm: Stratos wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:29pm: Soren wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 5:00pm: And Muslims are significantly overrepresented in the prison population of every non-Muslim country where there are Muslims, including Australia. Moses said this too but chickened out of actually finding evidence.  Is there any? As you seem unable to find any links to muslim crime stats would you like me to oblige, I offer my service free to the afflicted and mentally challenged, such as your good self. Please respond, if you are able. I didn't make a claim, I asked someone else to substantiate theirs.  Google "burden of proof" if you are still confused. Oh and by the way, no-one has, and as such there is no evidence provided to suggest that Muslims are over-represented in Australian prisons.

There is plenty of evidence.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1395023877/98#98

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

There is plenty of evidence.

That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons?

haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence.

Speaking of which:

Soren, Moses:  do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies?

ian wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

the statistics refer to country of birth, not religion. Try again

Precisely.

During my own research on Google websites I've noticed it's now standard practice for the statisticians to NOT include the second-generation of  immigrants as anything other than 'Australian'.

Immigrant 'Crime families' may have three generations, but those born here are no longer classified as 'ethnics', but 'Australians'.

It's all about manipulating the wording to produce a desired result.

Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:32am: There is plenty of evidence. That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons? haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence. Speaking of which: Soren, Moses:  do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies?

Why do middle eastern people have their own crime squad then? I believe they are highly represented in crime stats for a couple of reasons which are a combination of cultural and religious. In these families the males have their butts kissed and basically are allowed to do whatever they want. They don't value education is another one. Years ago there was a running joke about about Lakemba High having the lowest maths results on record. Is it low intelligence or cultural/religious attitudes in their upbringing  which make them feel like they don't need to do anything that society tells them. Factor in a sense of not belonging and you have a whole generation of poorly educated males whose attitude  conflicts with Australian societal attitudes. So they find themselves poor and not liking the society around them. It's a not a big leap into anti social behaviour from that mindset. The Vietnamese are from the same circumstances but are progressing so it must be upbringing that is causing the issues.

Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:32am: There is plenty of evidence. That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons? haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence. Speaking of which: Soren, Moses:  do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies?

I'll get the stats by the end of the day, but meanwhile ... (I actually found myself laughing at the following statistic. Things that are ridiculous often make us laugh).

France: 70% of entire nations prison inmates are Muslim – making up 12% French population
Posted on August 10, 2012 by Admin

link

It's poverty that produces this result, the apologists and the Useful Idiots will tell us.

But curiously enough it's the Muslims in France who are most afflicted by this unfortunate condition of needing to commit crime in order to keep body-and-soul together.

Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:32am: There is plenty of evidence. That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons? haven't seen any,

That's why I included the link.

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 9:16am:

That's why I included the link.

A link to an article about a UK prison.  how does this show that Muslims in Australia's prisons are over-represented?

Hint: it doesn't

It is a link to a thread on this forum about the over-representation of Muslims in our prisons.

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 9:20am:

It is a link to a thread on this forum about the over-representation of Muslims in our prisons.

Does that thread have any actual information or just biased statements like this one.

Makes me wonder if you will point to this thread as evidence when the inevitable next Islam crime thread starts.....

Yes there is plenty of information.

such as?

Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:32am: There is plenty of evidence. That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons? haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence. Speaking of which: Soren, Moses:  do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies?

Stratos,

It is 'racist' to conduct surveys in a population, to collect data, if the aim of collecting data is to specifically confirm your prejudices.           :P

It is even UNLAWFUL in many Western nations, for border guards at airports to openly target people from 'specific' cultural groups, which have been identified as being more likely to be members of a 'tiny minority of extremists'!




It is apparent that any regime [any government and its agencies] which has a pre-conceived social agenda, and are [irrationally!] actively trying to promote 'social harmony' among disparate and fragmented and 'incompatible' cultural groups,      ....will always seek to avoid collecting the form of data that would confirm the 'prejudices' of 'racists' [i.e. of any group, who argue against the irrational and un-natural cultural policies of a governing authority].



INFORMATION;
Google;
muslims over represented in prison, uk


Moslems, over represented in prisons ?

But so are aboriginals, in Australian prisons, you say!

Yes.

It is true.

But maybe the reason [in both cultural groups], is that there is an actual predilection for and towards LAWBREAKING, within those two cultural groups ???



Are poverty, discrimination - 'legitimate' excuses for LAWBREAKING ?

Poverty and/or discrimination are no excuse for LAWBREAKING, especially in a country like Australia - where injustices that are exposed, are often soon remedied.

And i would argue, that there does not, 'have to be', any ['legitimate'] correlation, between poverty and rates of LAWLESSNESS, in any group of people.

Making the claim that the people of 'your' culture are disproportionately involved in LAWLESSNESS, specifically because, you are living in poerty, is not a logical reason it is not a logical nor a reasonable excuse for [such] LAWLESSNESS, imo.

e.g.
Human history and the history of human society, demonstrates to us that, whether in wealth or in poverty, a group of persons living together can still easily be law-abiding - if that predilection - to being law-abiding - is something which their culture promotes and values.

Stratos wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

such as?

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

ian wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 10:29pm: the statistics refer to country of birth, not religion. Try again Precisely. During my own research on Google websites I've noticed it's now standard practice for the statisticians to NOT include the second-generation of  immigrants as anything other than 'Australian'. Immigrant 'Crime families' may have three generations, but those born here are no longer classified as 'ethnics', but 'Australians'. It's all about manipulating the wording to produce a desired result.

Yes.

It is very apparent that this is being done, Herbert.

It is apparent, that information and data, that would expose their own illogical foolish 'prejudices' [which show the detrimental societal consequence of ISLAMIC immigration] - are purposely not being collected by governments and their agencies.





post #110....

Quote:

It is apparent that any regime [any government and its agencies] which has a pre-conceived social agenda, and are [irrationally!] actively trying to promote 'social harmony' among disparate and fragmented and 'incompatible' cultural groups,      ....will always seek to avoid collecting the form of data that would confirm the 'prejudices' of 'racists' [i.e. of any group, who argue against the irrational and un-natural cultural policies of a governing authority].

Sparky wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 9:15am:

Stratos wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:53am: freediver wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:32am: There is plenty of evidence. That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons? haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence. Speaking of which: Soren, Moses:  do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies? Why do middle eastern people have their own crime squad then?

Sparky,

This is because the police, ARE RACISTS!!!!              :P

The police, specifically target cultural communities, because Australians ARE RACISTS!!!!                :P



It is as plain to see, as the nose on your face!!!!         :D

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 10:02am:

Stratos wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 9:38am: such as? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

What water?  I read through the whole thread and there was zero information I could find that would lead to a conclusion that Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons.

Now is there or isn't there "plenty" of information, or are you Moses and Soren all lying about this?

Yes.

Perhaps you should respond in the thread in question if you think the evidence presented is inadequate. I am not going to copy and paste it here so we can have the same debate again.

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

Perhaps you should respond in the thread in question if you think the evidence presented is inadequate.

There is no evidence.  Also beggin the question why you think linking to it would be relevant evidence to support the suggestion that Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons.

Or is this another piece of evidence you just assumed, like you have been known to do previously?

I know people who work in the prison chaplaicy program in Victoria, and they inform me that the Muslim prison population is in proportion to the demographic that makes up the bulk of the prison population - males ages 18-40.

Yadda wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Sparky wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 9:15am: Stratos wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:53am: freediver wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 8:32am: There is plenty of evidence. That Muslims are over-represented in Australia's prisons? haven't seen any, yet this has been claimed by both Soren and Moses with zero evidence. Speaking of which: Soren, Moses:  do you have any evidence or did you just make up lies? Why do middle eastern people have their own crime squad then? Sparky, This is because the police, ARE RACISTS!!!!              :P The police, specifically target cultural communities, because Australians ARE RACISTS!!!!                :P It is as plain to see, as the nose on your face!!!!         :D

I've heard that before. It's the ultimate in bias when a person (true colours) won't admit to facts.

Meanwhile the facts are:

1556.1 ASSAULTS in Bankstown per year, or 29.925 per week

10.07 HOMICIDES in Bankstown per year, or 1 murder every 5.1 weeks

226.1 SEXUAL OFFENCES in Bankstown per year, or 4.3 every week

123.5 ROBBERIES in Bankstown per year, or 2.3 every week

6864.7 THEFT cases in Bankstown per year, or 132 every week

1444  MALICIOUS PROPERTY DAMAGE cases in Bankstown per year, or 27.7 every week

241.3 PROHIBITED USE OF WEAPONS (Guns etc.) cases in Bankstown per year, or 4.6 every week

Of the 40 councils in the Sydney area Bankstown is one of the most undesirable places to live, with over 30 of the 40 Local Govt.s being safer, people friendly and a better place to reside and raise children.

Bankstown is the dregs of it's own demographic area

As for harsher sentences not being a deterrent ...

Certain academics would disagree.

"Tough punishments really do deter criminals, an academic study of the London riots of 2011 shows.

Researchers found that firm sentences handed down in the wake of the disorder cut crime for months afterwards across the capital and elsewhere around the country.

The effect of the harsher punishments was to reduce crime levels by 3 per cent in the months after the summer riots. There was a fall-off in burglary, criminal damage and crimes of a violent nature.

The report compared crime rates before the riots with those six months later. There was a drop in crime even in London boroughs far away from the disorder and in areas of England and Wales which had not been involved. Researchers said this proves the threat of prison is a powerful deterrent".

link

I agree with Gandalf, just another day, in another non-muslim suburb, where I happen to live, we were out at Macos for a nice Sunday afternoon, where I am seeing this massive 4wd driving out and as he opened car windows he threw all the rubbish out, just like that, without even watching who it might fall on, he threw the cup holder with such force, that I thought someone could get hurt if they happened to walk by at the time, especially if it was a child, what I also saw was, when the black windows were opened it revealed a salon full of women covered in black, including their faces, and men with big black beard, they looked very unhappy, probably because Macos don't sell halal in our non-muslim suburb.
And yeah, it is somehow getting worse by day, everytime I notice a 'for lease sign" I begin to shudder, apparently a lot of them prepay cash...

Torpedo wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

it revealed a salon full of women covered in black, including their faces, and men with big black beard, they looked very unhappy, probably because Macos don't sell halal in our non-muslim suburb.

;D ;D ;D

He threw all these Big Macs out the window when he realised the women in their hag-bags couldn't eat them through the cloth!

He should have got them milk-shakes with straws.

Torpedo wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

I agree with Gandalf, just another day, in another non-muslim suburb, where I happen to live, we were out at Macos for a nice Sunday afternoon, where I am seeing this massive 4wd driving out and as he opened car windows he threw all the rubbish out, just like that, without even watching who it might fall on, he threw the cup holder with such force, that I thought someone could get hurt if they happened to walk by at the time, especially if it was a child, what I also saw was, when the black windows were opened it revealed a salon full of women covered in black, including their faces, and men with big black beard, they looked very unhappy, probably because Macos don't sell halal in our non-muslim suburb. And yeah, it is somehow getting worse by day, everytime I notice a 'for lease sign" I begin to shudder, apparently a lot of them prepay cash...

http://i.imgur.com/el545WX.jpg

Lord Herbert wrote on May 29^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Torpedo wrote on May 28th, 2014 at 10:34pm: it revealed a salon full of women covered in black, including their faces, and men with big black beard, they looked very unhappy, probably because Macos don't sell halal in our non-muslim suburb. ;D ;D ;D He threw all these Big Macs out the window when he realised the women in their hag-bags couldn't eat them through the cloth! He should have got them milk-shakes with straws.

Why not just put them on a drip, I am sure these women will be happy with the idea, never to open your mouth again.
And eventually oxy mask
The hell with the mask, from birth canal straight into the encapsulated dome, forever

author=wally1
It is pretty cool, I am thinking: should I email this video to news ltd or not?

Torpedo wrote on May 29^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

author=wally1 It is pretty cool, I am thinking: should I email this video to news ltd or not?

Why dont you post the video here?

So you walk to mcdonalds with a video camera do you?

Seems like the bro's in Perth are up for a bit of Crack.


The president of the WA Islamic Council has been charged as part of an organised crime investigation in which police seized 4kg of methylamphetamine, weapons and more than $250,000 cash.


Dr Rateb Jneid, who is also the chairman of the Langford Islamic College, will face a firearms charge after raids by 70 police officers at properties in Kewdale, Bibra Lake and Munster.

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2014/05/29/president-of-the-wa-islamic-council-dr-rateb-jneid-on-firearms-charge-jneid-brothers-on-serious-drugs-charges/

Also ran as a local councillor stating " I support security measures CCTV program/ patrols/partnership with WA Police"          Bet that's not true anymore.

http://www.elections.wa.gov.au/lg_profiles/index.php?eID=e885f29a-80e4-43e0-9135-5478b128abb5&eeeID=%7BE2BF1818-D08E-49C8-B1A7-4B7E1B51FAA7%7D&district=Belmont

Adamant wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

Seems like the bro's in Perth are up for a bit of Crack. The president of the WA Islamic Council has been charged as part of an organised crime investigation in which police seized 4kg of methylamphetamine, weapons and more than $250,000 cash. Dr Rateb Jneid, who is also the chairman of the Langford Islamic College, will face a firearms charge after raids by 70 police officers at properties in Kewdale, Bibra Lake and Munster.

70 police officers.

Jesus. What the hell is it with these Muslims that they just can't behave themselves?

It's like a biblical plague, only it's not locusts.

wally1 wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 7:40am:

Torpedo wrote on May 29th, 2014 at 10:53pm: author=wally1 It is pretty cool, I am thinking: should I email this video to news ltd or not? So you walk to mcdonalds with a video camera do you?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/prescription-wearers-to-get-google-glass/story-e6frgakx-1226812725894
:)))

Torpedo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

wally1 wrote on May 30th, 2014 at 7:40am: Torpedo wrote on May 29th, 2014 at 10:53pm: author=wally1 It is pretty cool, I am thinking: should I email this video to news ltd or not? So you walk to mcdonalds with a video camera do you? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/prescription-wearers-to-get-google-glass/story-e6frgakx-1226812725894 :)))

Ok but show me the video that you said you have about the muslims who threw rubbish outside from there car.

wally1 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:46am:

Torpedo wrote on Jun 8th, 2014 at 6:06pm: wally1 wrote on May 30th, 2014 at 7:40am: Torpedo wrote on May 29th, 2014 at 10:53pm: author=wally1 It is pretty cool, I am thinking: should I email this video to news ltd or not? So you walk to mcdonalds with a video camera do you? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/prescription-wearers-to-get-google-glass/story-e6frgakx-1226812725894 :))) Ok but show me the video that you said you have about the muslims who threw rubbish outside from there car.

I've decided to send it to ABC instread
Lol
;D
Or maybe even Macos, let them deal with rule breakers. Hang on, Macos should have that recorded anyway, since it was a drive through  ;)

Herbie will love your story, Torpedo. It has all the hallmarks of a good Herbie story, including the fact that they were Coptic Christians.

It would be better though, if you added a bit about how you confronted them and they threatened to shoot you. This would raise the stakes, put you in the position of hero as opposed to passive observer,  and give your story the crime/terrorist touch it needs.

Gud is great, no?

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:04pm:

Herbie will love your story, Torpedo. It has all the hallmarks of a good Herbie story, including the fact that they were Coptic Christians. It would be better though, if you added a bit about how you confronted them and they threatened to shoot you. This would raise the stakes, put you in the position of hero as opposed to passive observer,  and give your story the crime/terrorist touch it needs. Gud is great, no?

Who says I won't give this story to Herbie? Coptic Christian girls cover their faces? Never heard of that...
Hell, I might even sell, since it brings so much interest! Hmmm, I really am considering now, might make good money. Anonymously, ofcourse, don't want to wave the red flag before the bull, we all know what the bull is capable of, right, Karnal?

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:04pm:

Gud is great, no?

This can offend some Christians, watch what you say

Torpedo wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 9th, 2014 at 2:04pm: Herbie will love your story, Torpedo. It has all the hallmarks of a good Herbie story, including the fact that they were Coptic Christians. It would be better though, if you added a bit about how you confronted them and they threatened to shoot you. This would raise the stakes, put you in the position of hero as opposed to passive observer,  and give your story the crime/terrorist touch it needs. Gud is great, no? Who says I won't give this story to Herbie? Coptic Christian girls cover their faces? Never heard of that... Hell, I might even sell, since it brings so much interest! Hmmm, I really am considering now, might make good money. Anonymously, ofcourse, don't want to wave the red flag before the bull, we all know what the bull is capable of, right, Karnal?

That’s right. You wouldn’t want a fattwa placed on you for telling a Story about Muslims/Christians littering.

Have you thought of reporting this crime to the police?

Karnal wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jun 9th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 9th, 2014 at 2:04pm: Herbie will love your story, Torpedo. It has all the hallmarks of a good Herbie story, including the fact that they were Coptic Christians. It would be better though, if you added a bit about how you confronted them and they threatened to shoot you. This would raise the stakes, put you in the position of hero as opposed to passive observer,  and give your story the crime/terrorist touch it needs. Gud is great, no? Who says I won't give this story to Herbie? Coptic Christian girls cover their faces? Never heard of that... Hell, I might even sell, since it brings so much interest! Hmmm, I really am considering now, might make good money. Anonymously, ofcourse, don't want to wave the red flag before the bull, we all know what the bull is capable of, right, Karnal? That’s right. You wouldn’t want a fattwa placed on you for telling a Story about Muslims/Christians littering. Have you thought of reporting this crime to the police?

You mean, your threat with Fatwa? I am about to

No, the littering. You’ve put your story in a thread on Muslim crime rates in Sydney.

I’d try to sex it up.a bit, but that’s just me. If you sell your story to the Tele, they’ll include statistics on Middle Eastern gun crime, along with a host of statistics from the UK.

You might want to jazz it up a bit is all I’m saying.

Unfortunately, you should think before you write, this comment of yours will be posted here:
http://www.afp.gov.au/contact/report-a-crime.aspx#How-do-I-report-a-crime-to-the-AFP

Ah, I see your problem, Torpedo. You don’t actually know what crime means.

Any way you could get Herbie to explain it to you? He’s the expert here on non-white crime. As long as a darkie’s done it, Herb’s your man.

Littering, jaywalking, excessive water use, not returning library books on time, you name it.

Hard to believe these people are still at large, isn’t it?

That’s the luvvy justice system for you. Typical.

Maybe we should get the pretend muslim Karnal to bring in hilaria law.