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General Discussion >> Federal Politics >> Rudd v Abbott in broken promises http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1400131280 Message started by bogarde73 on May 15th, 2014 at 3:21pm |
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Title: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by bogarde73 on May 15th, 2014 at 3:21pm
Did Rudd promise the electors he would:
- increase the public service by about 24000 - increase the number of govt agencies by the truckload - overspend & waste on school halls - endanger lives with insulation - encourage 50000 boat people, drowning untold numbers NO! Well he should have. Might have changed a few votes don't you think? Did Abbott promise to rein in spending and return budget stability & debt level? YES! And that's exactly what he's doing. What he said he would. Not all of it is nice and some of it needs a review which it no doubt will get in the House of Review. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Sir Dame Baroness Smithy70 on May 15th, 2014 at 3:29pm
WEAK!
But thanks for posting today's party room deflection ;) 10325644_1481761985390120_3683119249184122159_n.jpg (39 KB | 68
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by bogarde73 on May 15th, 2014 at 3:31pm
I believe in keeping it straight and simple.
Tell me where I'm wrong. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by salad in on May 15th, 2014 at 3:34pm
b73, I can't recall Mr Rudd promising those things.
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 3:37pm salad in wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:34pm:
it was a top secret memo that he sent to bogarde prior to the 2007 election ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Sir Dame Baroness Smithy70 on May 15th, 2014 at 3:38pm
You don't need to be told.
If Tony had truthfully campaigned, as he should have seeing he would have seen the charter of budget honesty you wouldn't need to be posting such deflections. But carry on :( I sure you won't watch or even read but http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html 1.12 is especially telling & blows your effort out of the water |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by bogarde73 on May 15th, 2014 at 3:45pm
Well let's talk about core promises and non-core promises.
If your core promise is to restore budget stability, which most commentators agree is necessary, there are going to be promises in relation to specific budget sectors that will be difficult to sustain. Agreed? All politicians make & break promises. That is their field of operations, their battleground. Which broken promises cause most casualties doesn't matter as much as who wins the war. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by buzzanddidj on May 15th, 2014 at 3:52pm bogarde73 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
On the eve of the 2013 federal election Tony Abbott promised no cuts to education, health, or the ABC and SBS, and no changes to pensions. Fairfax Media looks at how those promises fared in the Abbott government's first budget. Broadcasting “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget. Education, health “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade. “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013) All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped Taxes “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012) The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000. Pensions "No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013) Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation. Foreign Aid “From 2014/15, the $5 billion aid budget will grow each year in line with the Consumer Price Index” (Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, January 2014) The Treasurer revealed foreign aid would be frozen, leading to a massive $7.6 billion cut over next 5 years. Indigenous affairs "The Coalition will continue the current level of funding expended on Closing the Gap activities." (Coalition policy document, September 2013) Tuesday's budget cut $500 million through the consolidation of 150 programs. Environment ‘‘ARENA will have over $2.5 billion in funds to manage." (Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane, November 2013) The ARENA (the Australian Reneweable Energy Agency) has been axed. "The Coalition will promote the use of solar energy by Australian families and households. It will ensure at least one million additional solar homes or community centres by 2020." (Greg Hunt, December 2011) Tuesday's budget scrapped the government's Direct Action policy to fund rebates for the installation of solar panels and deliver 1 million solar roofs. http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz31lC6Jk8P |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Sir Dame Baroness Smithy70 on May 15th, 2014 at 3:55pm
No lets talk about TRUST & Sticking to ones commitments which is what Tony campaigned on for 3 years.
Quote:
REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises? TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Sir Phoney Liebral on May 15th, 2014 at 4:09pm The difference is that Abbott hasn't kept a single promise he made. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Aussie on May 15th, 2014 at 4:21pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:55pm:
I wonder if FD could make a specific point of stickying that somewhere so we can always be reminded of it. That is a bloody ripper, and adds further (but unnecessary) weight to my stand that Abbott is a lowlife lying reptile. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Sir Dame Baroness Smithy70 on May 15th, 2014 at 4:24pm Aussie wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
Someone show me how to do the running banner signature that DRaH & W1 use. In fact we all should apply it ;) |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 4:34pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
It's your quote Sir Smithy, you don't mind that I've adopted it for my signature do you? ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Sir Dame Baroness Smithy70 on May 15th, 2014 at 4:39pm John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
LOL its not mine, it's MR ABBOTT'S :) |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Aussie on May 15th, 2014 at 4:40pm John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
Can you squeeze the link in, to avoid future argument about authenticity? |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 4:43pm Aussie wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 4:40pm:
and make it easy for them? |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Sir Dame Baroness Smithy70 on May 15th, 2014 at 4:54pm Aussie wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 4:40pm:
You can hear the words from Mr Abbotts own mouth at 1.12 on the video posted in my 2nd post |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Aussie on May 15th, 2014 at 5:18pm
Yeah......I've bookmarked it now. It is repositoried.
Hehehe. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by buzzanddidj on May 17th, 2014 at 2:07pm . |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by cods on May 17th, 2014 at 2:14pm
HE DID
STOP THE BOATS.. what did KRUDD DO.. oh thats right he got us into DEBT... not forgetting giving us over 50.000 more welfare recipients.....plus asylum seeker detention centres we will be maintaining for the next 50 years.. thanks krudd. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on May 17th, 2014 at 2:39pm
I think we desperately need to deal with the here and now... Alpha and Bravo Companies cannot hold and Charlie Company is being over-run!
There is no point in comparing the rate or value of lies and fibs (core and non-core) from both sides - what we are being handed now is more than just lies - it is a violent abrogation of what these people were elected to do based on what they said they'd do. "Call it! Broken Arrow!" (damn - I wish they hadn't used footage of A-6s there when these didn't come online until 1968.... A-1s, A-4s, F-4s, T-28Ds, F-105s, F-100s yeah , maybe even A-5s - but A-6s?) Oh and the final airstrike was actually B-52s leveling the place..... not a coupla choppers with guns.. and anyone remember the A Shau? Send in the troops and find the little devils THEN seal off with artillery and bomb 'em - who not seal off first and bomb - then send in the troops to count bodies?)... |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by froggie on May 17th, 2014 at 2:49pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:29pm:
WEAK??? If that post wasn't on steroids it would fall down..... :D |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by john_g on May 17th, 2014 at 3:03pm
Both sides lie, yet hypocritically blame the other for lying while making up excuses, or deflecting, from their own lies.
It's like their supporters, as shown by many on this very forum - they don't care when their sides lie, but won't let go when the other side lies. No integrity on either side. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by perceptions_now on May 17th, 2014 at 3:13pm bogarde73 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
I agree, that is pretty much where we are now! AND, IT IS WRONG, DEAD WRONG! The thing is, we have now arrived at a line in the sand, only to ind that it's "quick Sand", on the other side of the line. We either pull back & start the WHOLE SYSTEM HEADING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION OR WE ALL SINK INTO THE ABYSS! Perhaps, ALL POLITICIANS should borrow a thought from the Law, which says - I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH! And, put it into action? Either that or we will have to take our own action, BY VOTING OUT EVERY INCUMBENT, UNTIL THE POLITICIANS FINALLY CHANGE COURSE??? |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by philperth2010 on May 17th, 2014 at 3:30pm
The problem with your argument Bogey is it fails to articulate what both leaders said they would not do before being elected.....Where as Rudd did not say he would not do what he ultimately did, Abbott has done what he expressly ruled out before he was elected.....Abbott also refused to accept Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS and used the Senate to block his policy making any policy subject to Senate approval.....Now Abbott expects the Senate to roll over and pass all his measures regardless of the merits and core values of opposition parties.....Abbott and Hockey have also added over 60 billion to the budget since the election and are blaming Labor so they can introduce their austerity measures that would never pass muster unless they created this false budget emergency.....If is not what you promise to do that matters as all policies are subject to Senate approval it is what you promise not to do, which is why I suspect you did not use Julia Gillard's "No carbon tax" promise as an example....All spin and no substance Mr Boggy!!!
::) ::) ::) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-06/has-the-government-doubled-the-budget-deficit/5423392 |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Dnarever on May 17th, 2014 at 3:46pm bogarde73 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:31pm:
Only with the facts. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Dnarever on May 17th, 2014 at 3:47pm bogarde73 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
What a load of dishonest rubbish. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Cliff48 on May 17th, 2014 at 3:49pm perceptions_now wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 3:13pm:
And writing in big bold letters make what you say more factual and much more worth listening to :) |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by PZ547 on May 17th, 2014 at 3:56pm Cliff48 wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Actually ---- yes It needs to be exposed in big bold lettering I was quick to criticise that poster for doing so, pre-election I voted poorly at that election. I was wrong just as I was wrong to criticise the poster with the unpronounceable ID for their massive font posts Yes, Abbott needs to be exposed in big, bold lettering And it should continue all the way through to the day he's kicked from office along with his scum party |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Cliff48 on May 17th, 2014 at 4:01pm PZ547 wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 3:56pm:
Please explain how big bold letters will look any more knowledgeable than a small child yelling and stamping his feet. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by philperth2010 on May 17th, 2014 at 4:09pm Cliff48 wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
It is content that matters not how it is delivered.....Debate the substance not the messenger and you are half way to making a valid point!!! :-? :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by PZ547 on May 17th, 2014 at 4:13pm Quote:
-------------- How do you imagine your argument would fare if you took it to the media? Or took it to politicians during their pre-election campaigns? Do you see protesters in the street holding signs the size of matchboxes bearing tiny print? Do Hervey Norman or David Jones et al advertise their sales in envelope sized posters at the bottom of their windows ? Is the advertisement at the top of this page in tiny, monochrome font ? and there you go |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by perceptions_now on May 17th, 2014 at 4:13pm Cliff48 wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Well Cliff, I seldom follow our "Politicians lead, But. It's like when Politicians "say things twice", you know "they say things twice", IN ORDER TO "EMPHASIZE THAT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOME OTHER THINGS THEY SAY & THEY WANT TO GAIN YOUR/OUR ATTENTION! And, seeing as to how we can not speak on an internet forum, we must employ other measures to emphasize some issues, which we think are more imoportant. |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Cliff48 on May 17th, 2014 at 4:22pm perceptions_now wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
You are right PN, you are right - I must say that you have it right. You have shown that copying Abbott is the way to make a point. I mean copying abbot makes a point clear. I am sorry I doubted your intention, I am sorry I doubted you intention. Saying it twice and in BOLD AND CAPS was a master stroke ... a master stroke .. in getting your point.... yes .. your point across. I am sorry sorry for even raising the matter ... the matter should not have been raised. Let me say that again in BOLD and in CAPS - PN what you say is so smacking intelligent I am sorry I missed the importance of bold and caps!!! |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by perceptions_now on May 17th, 2014 at 6:20pm
That's quite alright Cliff, that's quite alright!
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by perceptions_now on May 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm perceptions_now wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 6:20pm:
One thing Cliff, at least I got your name right! |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by perceptions_now on May 17th, 2014 at 7:29pm
Oh & just in case the message got lost?
I agreed with Bogi, that All politicians make & break promises AND IT IS WRONG, DEAD WRONG! And the important message is - We have now arrived at a line in the sand, only to find that it's "quick Sand", on the other side of the line. We either pull back & start the WHOLE SYSTEM HEADING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION OR WE ALL SINK INTO THE ABYSS! Perhaps, ALL POLITICIANS should borrow a thought from the Law, which says - I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH! And, put it into action? Either that or we will have to take our own action, BY VOTING OUT EVERY INCUMBENT, UNTIL THE POLITICIANS FINALLY CHANGE COURSE? Darn I think I did the old Politicians repeat trick, again? |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by austranger on May 17th, 2014 at 8:02pm
Babbott didn't just use big bold lettering, he had his promises, and his personal signature too, blown up and pasted on a bill-board and went and stood in front of it!
So, since they're all the same, remember and pass it on people! Put The Party's LAST! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa777428_n_002.jpg (39 KB | 42
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on May 18th, 2014 at 1:21am
Please explain how a small child yelling and stamping his/her feet will look any more knowledgeable than big letters.
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by austranger on May 18th, 2014 at 1:48am Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 1:21am:
Wow, I'm impressed, how come you know so much? ;D ;D ;D (just kidding) :D |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on May 18th, 2014 at 1:56am austranger wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 1:48am:
Errr... eeerrr.. it's.. it's a .. gift! Yuk yuk (without commas) |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Armchair_Politician on May 18th, 2014 at 6:20am Dsmithy70 wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 3:29pm:
What does a Labor budget cost Australians: $660bn in debt. >:( |
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Title: Re: Rudd v Abbott in broken promises Post by Cliff48 on May 18th, 2014 at 6:40am perceptions_now wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
+1 PN :) |
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