Is it a Muslim thing, was it embedded at the conception of Islam, maybe imported from a Pagan ritual or just passed down father to son, is it even a manly thing to do?

I have pondered this long and hard and as yet fail to grasp the meaning of this. Did Allah command him, is it an Hadith in the Holy Koran maybe.

It is over my comprehension ability I am afraid to say. Alack alas my logical thought process has failed me, so I turn to you for advise clarification and support.

Why did the perfect man (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats?
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Why did the perfect man [Mohammed] (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats? http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

adamant,

You are very, very naughty!            :P

You must not associate moslems, with the behaviour of Mohammed.






adamant,

I disagree that Mohammed was a moslem.

Many moslems claim that he was a moslem, but logically, them saying he was, doesn't make Mohammed a moslem.     :P

Even if one takes the view that Mohammed was the messenger of Allah, that does not make Mohammed representative of Islam as a whole.           :P


adamant,

Why do you continue to associate the behaviour of Mohammed, with other people, peaceful moslems ?          :P

Are you a bigot or something ?          :P





Boko Haram: Operation Pouty face.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399594141/35#35

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[Schu....] I disagree that Boko Haram is an Islamic group. They claim to be, but them saying it doesn't make it so. Even if one takes the view that they are an Islamic group that does not make them representative of Islam as a whole.

adamant,

When are you anti-moslem bigots going to understand!!!!!

Moslems are not moslems.          :P

The moslems are just a community of peace loving people, who just happen to refer to themselves as being 'moslem'.

And they only follow ISLAM [.....the religion that only promotes peace and harmony].        :P

Not Boko Haram!



+++




A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, has declared on its website;


Quote:

Rejecting Terror Thursday, 11 April 2013 Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656






"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

;D

Honest!






+++



SERIOUSLY.......

Schu, and others,

Until you are prepared to acknowledge and accept the truth about ISLAM, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

These violent atrocities, opportunistically carried out around the world, by moslems, will continue. [........with local moslems insisting that, ISLAM is being misrepresented by a 'the tiny minority of extremists']

And one day, these violent atrocities will come to 'our door'.





Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.



Who is a moslem ???

Again, a moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

I have pondered this long and hard

I seriously doubt that.

Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

When are you anti-moslem bigots going to understand!!!!! Moslems are not moslems.          :P The moslems are just a community of peace loving people, who just happen to refer to themselves as being 'moslem'.

POSTSCRIPT;

And just you bigots take note;

Nuffin' has got nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'....



Except that ISLAM,   "....promotes peace and harmony."

;D

Honest!






+++



Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062



"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29





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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Is it a Muslim thing, was it embedded at the conception of Islam, maybe imported from a Pagan ritual or just passed down father to son, is it even a manly thing to do? I have pondered this long and hard and as yet fail to grasp the meaning of this. Did Allah command him, is it an Hadith in the Holy Koran maybe. It is over my comprehension ability I am afraid to say. Alack alas my logical thought process has failed me, so I turn to you for advise clarification and support. Why did the perfect man (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats? http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

It doesnt say he sucked it he says he kissed it,lets even assume the story the story/hadith is very weak and is narrated in hadith not the Koran.

Didnt you ever play with your kids adamant?

I myself suck my kids tounges when i play with them and let my young kids suck my toungue. Im not saying a do it everyday or every week, but sometimes i do it on rare occasions just to play with my kids.Its all play and dont do it for sexual pleasure.

Dafuq?

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/951.gif

Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Adamant wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 12:40pm: Why did the perfect man [Mohammed] (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats? http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html adamant, You are very, very naughty!            :P You must not associate moslems, with the behaviour of Mohammed. adamant, I disagree that Mohammed was a moslem. Many moslems claim that he was a moslem, but logically, them saying he was, doesn't make Mohammed a moslem.     :P Even if one takes the view that Mohammed was the messenger of Allah, that does not make Mohammed representative of Islam as a whole.           :P adamant, Why do you continue to associate the behaviour of Mohammed, with other people, peaceful moslems ?          :P Are you a bigot or something ?          :P Boko Haram: Operation Pouty face. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399594141/35#35 Quote: [Schu....] I disagree that Boko Haram is an Islamic group. They claim to be, but them saying it doesn't make it so. Even if one takes the view that they are an Islamic group that does not make them representative of Islam as a whole. adamant, When are you anti-moslem bigots going to understand!!!!! Moslems are not moslems.          :P The moslems are just a community of peace loving people, who just happen to refer to themselves as being 'moslem'. And they only follow ISLAM [.....the religion that only promotes peace and harmony].        :P Not Boko Haram! +++ A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, has declared on its website; [quote] Rejecting Terror Thursday, 11 April 2013 Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656






"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

;D

Honest!






+++



SERIOUSLY.......

Schu, and others,

Until you are prepared to acknowledge and accept the truth about ISLAM, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

These violent atrocities, opportunistically carried out around the world, by moslems, will continue. [........with local moslems insisting that, ISLAM is being misrepresented by a 'the tiny minority of extremists']

And one day, these violent atrocities will come to 'our door'.





Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.



Who is a moslem ???

Again, a moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

[/quote]

Prophet Mohamed is more virtous than prophet jesus.

Mohamed was a prophet and messenger, went to the seven levels of heaven, a warrior, got married, had kids and grandkids, was a teacher, friend, mentor, judge, scholar, did miracles, built a massive empire, won and lost wars, had more followers, forseen the future, worked with his hands and so on and so on.

Compare that to jesus, walked around preaching about God but acomplished no land, won no war, didnt get married or have kids, hardly had followers, yeah he did few miracles here and there.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

I seriously doubt that

I did Honist injun! Any answer for said religious practise?


Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Are you a bigot or something ?

Yadda shurely you know by now I am veritably the epiphany of truth!


wally1 wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

I myself suck my kids tounges when i play with them and let my young kids suck my toungue.

No, never felt the urge to suck my kids genitals or give them tongueee. Is it a Muslim thingey. Sicko.
   

Firstly, the penis kissing hadith is a known weak hadith, and as far as I'm concerned a fake - one of many thousands (literally) of fabricated ahadith to denigrate The Prophet.

Secondly tongue sucking was apparently a common practice amongst the Bedouin to keep babies hydrated in the desert.

Also, I could have sworn I modified the subject of this thread...  :-/

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

Also, I could have sworn I modified the subject of this thread...

Mea Culpa Gandalf. I cannot deny the aforementioned crime of returning the thread to its original name!

Penis licking. Gandalf?

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 3:35pm:

Penis licking. Gandalf?

There is no mention of that anywhere I can find.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Adamant wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 3:35pm: Penis licking. Gandalf? There is no mention of that anywhere I can find.

Will you Please refrain from deleting my Response to others as it is extremely nauseating.

I thank you in Advance!

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 4:03pm:

Will you Please refrain from deleting my Response to others as it is extremely nauseating.

I deleted the entire exchange - your post and Wally's. Personal insults will not be tolerated I have made that abundantly clear.

Now, have you found your reference to penis licking yet

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

I deleted the entire exchange

Yes I know his spelling was not of this planet so I could understand why you deleted his impotent portion. My retort however was a masterpiece of wit and humour and must disagree with your vile and heavy handed approach, mind you it does remind me of a certain Muslim who sucked little boys pee pees.


polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

Now, have you found your reference to penis licking yet

Can honestly state that I am not enamored  by the prospect of looking up "Penis Licking" on the net, could be classed as a paedophile, not that their is anything wrong with that according to TC, he state's its OK cause Mo did it.

Tell you what Gandalf, you have opened up a can of worms  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Sexuality

so yes, you did make up the claim about penis licking - thats all you needed to say.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

This is the Islam board, you know.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 7:45pm:

so yes, you did make up the claim about penis licking - thats all you needed to say.

Is that a jewish practice?

Biting off the penis of a young child during circumcision?

Two more babies stricken with herpes after ritual ultra-orthodox Jewish oral blood sucking circumcision in New York City

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304793/Two-babies-stricken-HERPES-ritual-oral-blood-sucking-circumcision-New-York-City.html

The first hadeeth was mistranslated - I can't see the Arabic word for 'tongue' in the original Arabic.



The rest are unverified or completely fabricated stories.

The website you linked to has a clue to this. For example it quotes the scholar of hadeeth Bayhaqi, who said that the penis hadeeth is from an unverified source: "...al-Bayhaqi said that the authenticity of the hadeeth is not strong"


The website also has a link in it about one of its sources:


Quote:

When it comes to Islamic figures, Ibn Asakir tried to collect everything that has been said about that figure, true or false http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_'Asakir

Jews, Muslims, same thing. This is the Islam board, you know.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

...could be classed as a paedophile, not that their is anything wrong with that according to TC, he state's its OK cause Mo did it.

Incorrect.

In fact, Islam is the only religion I am aware of that actually establishes the legal concept of an age of consent - unless you count Talmudic Judaism which says sex with 3 year-old girls is kosher.

We're arguing about semantics, it's well established that Mo was a pedophile

hazy123 wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

We're arguing about semantics, it's well established that Mo was a pedophile

That’s right. Herbie’s UK Daily Mail has an article on this  every day.

It’s established beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Aisha played with dolls: so did Mo! Little girls !

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It doesnt say he sucked it he says he kissed it

Wally haven't you spent a few months going on and on about Rabbi's doing this? How is it any different?


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Didnt you ever play with your kids adamant?

Are you talking about kissing them on the genitals?


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I myself suck my kids tounges when i play with them and let my young kids suck my toungue.

WTF?


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Compare that to jesus, walked around preaching about God but acomplished no land, won no war

For shame!


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Secondly tongue sucking was apparently a common practice amongst the Bedouin to keep babies hydrated in the desert.

Wally thinks it is a game that modern enlightened parents play with their kids.


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I deleted the entire exchange - your post and Wally's. Personal insults will not be tolerated I have made that abundantly clear.

How do you feel about the things wally does with his kids? Does your religion prevent you from criticising it?


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Can honestly state that I am not enamored  by the prospect of looking up "Penis Licking" on the net, could be classed as a paedophile, not that their is anything wrong with that according to TC

Or Karnal.


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Two more babies stricken with herpes after ritual ultra-orthodox Jewish oral blood sucking circumcision in New York City

So tell us about tongue kissing your kids wally1?


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In fact, Islam is the only religion I am aware of that actually establishes the legal concept of an age of consent

That's right people. Muhammed managed to do this without mentioning the concept of age of consent (by marrying and having sex with little girls), such is his awesome power over mortal concepts like logic and common sense.

Please FD, tell me more about this great moral outrage of a parent letting their baby suck their tongue

Maybe Kernal can shed light on the practise, offer a female perspective, a different angle so to speak?

Gandalf, the guiding light on this forum let his side down in my estimation, a very poor show on his behalf.

I despair and feel I will never get the point of it.

In short, its got me licked!

Adamant wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Maybe Kernal can shed light on the practise, offer a female perspective, a different angle so to speak?

I think if it's good enough for baby tweety birds, why not your Muselman?

Like FD, I blame Biology. Well, Islam too, but Mother Nature needs to take her fair share of the blame here.

Typical.

Karnal wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Adamant wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Maybe Kernal can shed light on the practise, offer a female perspective, a different angle so to speak? I think if it's good enough for baby tweety birds, why not your Muselman? Like FD, I blame Biology. Well, Islam too, but Mother Nature needs to take her fair share of the blame here. Typical.

I found your response limp, it had no body to it, can't you Gals find the correct orifice for said appendage? Why do females leave the "hard" queries to us males?

I am full of remorse for posting this thought inspiring thread.

This thread tells it all about the state of muslims and islam

No wonder muslims are the most backward people on this planet.

Their published history books (hadi'th) are a collection of deviate child sex, rape, torture and mass murder by muslims.

The best they can come up with is *it might not be a genuine hadi'th*

muslims have the lowest translation / publication of foreign books on this planet.

They are introverted to the ultimate limit of stupidity, they are a bunch of sanctimonious, self-righteous fools.

Their published qur'an and the hadi'th are nothing but an accumulation of:

Deviate child sex (little girls cleaning semen from mo's robe, sucking children's genitals and tongues ) raping captured slaves etc,

Instructions to commit human rights atrocities against their fellow man.

Details of the inhumane barbarity carried out by the psychopathic muhammad.

All this is quiet o.k. to publish in islamic lands, yet books from foreign sources are scowled upon by these homicidal, backwards, inbred, thieves, liars, pedophiles, rapists, torturers and mass murderers.

No wonder they are what they are.

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Please FD, tell me more about this great moral outrage of a parent letting their baby suck their tongue

It's just weird Gandalf, as is the defense of licking baby genitals from the same guy who goes on and on about Rabbi's doing it. Do you think he posts the Rabbi story so often because he feels guilty about all the weird crap he does to his own kids?

Do you have an opinion on the matter?

That’s right, Moses. Most unfortunate that they reproduced the works of Plato and Aristotle and ended the Dark Ages though.

I blame Islam.

Karnal wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Adamant wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Maybe Kernal can shed light on the practise, offer a female perspective, a different angle so to speak? I think if it's good enough for baby tweety birds, why not your Muselman? Like FD, I blame Biology. Well, Islam too, but Mother Nature needs to take her fair share of the blame here. Typical.

Truly a second rate response.

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Quote: Please FD, tell me more about this great moral outrage of a parent letting their baby suck their tongue It's just weird Gandalf, as is the defense of licking baby genitals from the same guy who goes on and on about Rabbi's doing it. Do you think he posts the Rabbi story so often because he feels guilty about all the weird crap he does to his own kids? Do you have an opinion on the matter?

I don’t know, FD. Do you think saying a poster molests his kids is a good addition to a discussion on a phoney religious text?

Do you have an opinion on this?

Adamant wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Adamant wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Maybe Kernal can shed light on the practise, offer a female perspective, a different angle so to speak? I think if it's good enough for baby tweety birds, why not your Muselman? Like FD, I blame Biology. Well, Islam too, but Mother Nature needs to take her fair share of the blame here. Typical. Truly a second rate response.

No no, it’s true. FD gets really cranky at biology. He doesn’t think it’s fair that girls under the age of consent can reproduce.

He blames Islam, of course, but who doesn’t?

I blame Islam too. We all do.

Didn't the world begin in the 6th century?

hazy123 wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Didn't the world begin in the 6th century?

7000 BC, I think. Read your Bible.

Karnal wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Most unfortunate that they reproduced the works of Plato and Aristotle

Who did?

It is most certain that the mozzies did not, so who did Oracle?

Yep it was the Jew boys, that's got em shagged eh Kernal 

Adamant wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 8:22pm: Most unfortunate that they reproduced the works of Plato and Aristotle Who did? It is most certain that the mozzies did not, so who did Oracle? Yep it was the Jew boys, that's got em shagged eh Kernal

The Jews didn’t seize the Roman city of Byzantium and get sacked during the Crusades though, Adamant.

I do hope you’re not blaming the Jews for the Renaissance. Most historians blame the Muselman.

Its not my bible but it obviously is your quaran. You even know what belongs in there and what doesn't-cleric?

hazy123 wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Its not my bible but it obviously is your quaran. You even know what belongs in there and what doesn't-cleric?

Ah, habibi, why is it not your Bible but my Quoran? The great scriptures of the world belong to all peoples, no?

The great writing of the world belongs to all. The Torah, Plato, Aristotle, Gospels, Quoran, all. These are the writings of your great Western canon, no?

Allah Uakbar, habibi.

Im too old for fairytales. Although the quaran is a particularly sinister one.

hazy123 wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

Im too old for fairytales. Although the quaran is a particularly sinister one.

You must be very old and wise.

People only read these books when they need them. If you don’t, why bother?

You are a Gudly fellow. Some read the books, some work in the fields, some sing the names of Gud, some sit in silence.

All must find their way, no?

I love reading. Just not about bloodthirsty, lustful, hateful 'gods'

Karnal wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Quote: Please FD, tell me more about this great moral outrage of a parent letting their baby suck their tongue It's just weird Gandalf, as is the defense of licking baby genitals from the same guy who goes on and on about Rabbi's doing it. Do you think he posts the Rabbi story so often because he feels guilty about all the weird crap he does to his own kids? Do you have an opinion on the matter? I don’t know, FD. Do you think saying a poster molests his kids is a good addition to a discussion on a phoney religious text? Do you have an opinion on this?

Is anyone saying that Karnal?

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 8:27pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 8:17pm: Quote: Please FD, tell me more about this great moral outrage of a parent letting their baby suck their tongue It's just weird Gandalf, as is the defense of licking baby genitals from the same guy who goes on and on about Rabbi's doing it. Do you think he posts the Rabbi story so often because he feels guilty about all the weird crap he does to his own kids? Do you have an opinion on the matter? I don’t know, FD. Do you think saying a poster molests his kids is a good addition to a discussion on a phoney religious text? Do you have an opinion on this? Is anyone saying that Karnal?

Are they?

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

It's just weird Gandalf, as is the defense of licking baby genitals from the same guy who goes on and on about Rabbi's doing it. Do you think he posts the Rabbi story so often because he feels guilty about all the weird crap he does to his own kids? Do you have an opinion on the matter?

My opinion is that there was no baby genital licking. You and adamant just made that up. Also I believe TC's objection is to the practice of sucking the baby's penis as part of a traditional circumcision procedure that is proven to have caused deadly infection to the child. Thats my opinion FD.

Spineless eh?

Ah yes, but we have no evidence that such paedophilia did not occur.

Ipso facto, this constitutes uncontestable proof.

There you go, Muselman. You have it in writing.

Eureka, an acceptable answer at last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNZeEa7uzNU

And there you go, Muselman. You have it in a YouTube video.

Gandalf perhaps you would be kind enough to shed light on some more of MO's "pbuh" comments?

  “You will meet Allah barefooted, naked, walking on feet, and uncircumcised.”

"If somebody keeps a horse in Allah’s Cause motivated by his faith in Allah and his belief in His Promise, then he will be rewarded on the Day of Resurrection for what the horse has eaten or drunk and for its dung and urine"

(No doubt he is on the benefits of said universal cure all)

"It was said to Anas “What did you hear the Prophet saying about garlic?” Anas replied, “Whoever has eaten (garlic) should not approach our mosque.”

(Flatulence)?

The Prophet said, “Allah puts an angel in charge of the uterus and the angel says, ‘O Lord, (it is) semen! O Lord, (it is now ) a clot! O Lord, (it is now) a piece of flesh.’ And then, if Allah wishes to complete its creation, the angel asks, ‘O Lord, (will it be) a male or a female? A wretched (an evil doer) or a blessed (doer of good)? How much will his provisions be? What will his age be?’ So all that is written while the creature is still in the mother’s womb.”

(Moving along)

The Prophet said, “A man saw a dog eating mud from (the severity of) thirst. So, that man took a shoe (and filled it) with water and kept on pouring the water for the dog till it quenched its thirst. So Allah approved of his deed and made him to enter Paradise.” And narrated Hamza bin ‘Abdullah: My father said. “During the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle, the dogs used to urinate, and pass through the mosques (come and go), nevertheless they never used to sprinkle water on it (urine of the dog.)”


(I thought muslims hated dogs? Seem to like urine a lot though)

"Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur’an at night, and said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.”

( The Perfect Man forgets what god has told him, I am aghast.)

"The Prophet said, “Keep on reciting the Qur’an, for, by Him in Whose Hand my life is, Quran runs away (is forgotten) faster than camels that are released from their tying ropes"

(Fancy him not remembering the Koran?)

Salman reported that it was said to him: Your Apostle teaches you about everything, even about excrement. He replied: Yes, he has forbidden us to face the Qibla at the time of excretion or urination, or cleansing with right hand or with less than three pebbles, or with dung or bone.

(No comment.)

"During the pre-Islamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them"

(must have had 4 witnesses eh Gandalf)

"When I got married, Allah’s Apostle said to me, “What type of lady have you married?” I replied, “I have married a matron’ He said, “Why, don’t you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?” Jabir also said: Allah’s Apostle said, “Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?"

(Was fondling Endemic back then?)

I look forward to your valued insights on these noble topics Gandalf!

Ah more moral outrages.

First a father playing with his baby's tongue, and now the idea that a loving married couple would fondle each other.

Dastardly.

Also, thanks for explaining to me that Prophet Muhammad was supposed to be a "perfect man". I had no idea.

So many things I'm learning - I feel so blessed to be in the presense of your sage wisdom adamant.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

Ah more moral outrages.

No Gandalf, I was attempting to gain insight into these obviously devout religious practises.

Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim.

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My opinion is that there was no baby genital licking. You and adamant just made that up.

Wally was the one who suggested that Muhammed kissed baby genitals.


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First a father playing with his baby's tongue

Nice little shift there Gandalf. He said he sucked his kids tounge. What is your opinion on that? Cat got your tongue?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Wally was the one who suggested that Muhammed kissed baby genitals.

Don't know about you FD, but I have never licked someone and called it kissing.


freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Nice little shift there Gandalf. He said he sucked his kids tounge

Ah yes of course. Better call the cops - pedophile here folks.

hazy123 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim.

If proven guilty I guess he would. Mohammed certainly is the perfect example for a pedophile.

I mean check all the similariities. Was she 8 or was she 13. Did she consent or did she not. Did he lick or kiss or fondle or penetrate. Do we believe he said what he is reported  to have said or do we not. The beard. Has anyoneone ever seen Rolf Harris and mo in thr same room. Case rested.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:32pm: Nice little shift there Gandalf. He said he sucked his kids tounge Ah yes of course. Better call the cops - pedophile here folks.

What do you think of it Gandalf?

Cat got your tongue?

hazy123 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim.

Considering that Christian texts say that a 90 year-old Joseph married a 12 year-old Mary, I do find this statement a tad ironic.

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

hazy123 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 4:44pm: Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim. Considering that Christian texts say that a 90 year-old Joseph married a 12 year-old Mary, I do find this statement a tad ironic.

You watch your tongue. That’s the Mother of Gud we’re talking about here.

This is a serious discussion about the hideous Muselman. If you want to tar and feather decent, Gud-fearing people, you can go and post on another forum.

Typical.

Dont worry socialist criminals (and muslim defector) most of us 'racist' Aussies aren't particularly fond of Jews either. You'd have to comment on Jesus's track record of havindg sex with kids. O.K ...Go!

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

hazy123 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 4:44pm: Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim. Considering that Christian texts say that a 90 year-old Joseph married a 12 year-old Mary, I do find this statement a tad ironic.

Do you believe that?

He was supposed to have lived till he was 110, the job must have come with a good health care package. ;D

12 years old?

Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad.

So Mary was a middle aged woman according to muslim logic.

Really good to see Islam has a sense of humour, unlike TC.

Inspired By Muhammad - Coexistence  ;D :D 8-) ;D ;D ;D

A veritable plethora of Islamic education indoctrination awaits the ardent viewer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dOZscARmE8


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

12 years old? Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad

This is incorrect.

In Islamic law any contract, such as marriage, can only be entered into by adults.

The marriage does not become valid until both parties reach adulthood.




Talmudic Judaism, on the other hand, permits sex with 3 year-old girls.




Christianity doesn't even seem to have an age of consent at all. Perhaps this is why it in some cases it is legal to have sex with a girl has not even reached puberty in Australia today. No marriage, no puberty, but legal! Christian values eh?

Christians have been all over the place on the age of consent. Just look at the US:


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In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

In the Vatican it was legal to have sex with a girl or boy who had not reached puberty until just last year!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/vatican-city-raises-age-consent-12-18-following-scandals120713

So muhammad married a child who was not old enough to understand or give considered consent to the forced marriage?  Yes?

According to true colours their isnt an age of consent in Australian. But seeing as we follow the same rules of law as 1880 America and the Vatican, I guess thats alright, LOL.

Yeah well T.C. tell a lot of lies and doesn't really understand what he posts


What is the legal age of consent in Australian state and territory jurisdictions?

The legal age for consensual sex varies across Australian state and territory jurisdictions.

The age of consent is 16 years of age in the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, Northern Territory, Victoria and Western Australia.

In Tasmania and South Australia the age of consent is 17 years of age.

Queensland is the only state that makes a distinction between different forms of sexual activity and the age of consent. In Queensland, the age of consent for anal sex (referred to as sodomy in legislation) is 18 years of age, while the age of consent for all other sexual behaviour (described as carnal knowledge) is 16 years of age.

Govt site

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

Yeah well T.C. tell a lot of lies and doesn't really understand what he posts

But you are fully truthful, and wise and fully grasp the matter at hand?


In Australia, in some cases it is fully legal to have sex with a girl who has not reached puberty.

The normal range for puberty is 9-14. Yet Australian law allows some people to have sex with 10 year-old children. And in WA, it could be argued that there are circumstances when it is legal for some people to have sex with a very small child:



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What is the legal age of consent in Australian state and territory jurisdictions? ACT If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 55(3). It states that: It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that - (b) at the time of the alleged offence - (i) the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 10 years; and (ii) the defendant was not more than 2 years older; and that that person consented to the sexual intercourse. Tas ...The consent of a person against whom a crime is alleged to have been committed under this section is a defence to such a charge only where, at the time the crime was alleged to have been committed - (b) that person was of or above the age of 12 years and the accused person was not more than 3 years older than that person. Vic Consent is not a defence to a charge unless at the time of the alleged offence the child was aged 12 or older and - (b) the accused was not more than 2 years older than the child; WA Criminal Code Act Compilation Act 1913 (Section 321). If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 321(9-10). It states that: It is a defence to a charge under this section to prove the accused person - (b) was not more than 3 years older than the child Under subsection 10, it is a defence to a charge to move that the accused was lawfully married to the child. http://www.aifs.gov.au/cfca/pubs/factsheets/a142090/

So, it seems, Australian laws allows abuse of children, that Islam does not.

This obviousy applies to young teens having sex with other young teens doesn't it TC. Not dirty old Mo and a 9 year old girl.
I blame Christianity.

True Colours wrote:
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So, it seems, Australian laws allows abuse of children, that Islam does not.

Do you understand what you post T.C. ?

Why did you leave out the very obvious age difference ?

What this is alluding to, is plainly, sex between children / teens of similar age



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What is the legal age of consent in Australian state and territory jurisdictions? ACT If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 55(3). It states that: It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that - (b) at the time of the alleged offence - (i) the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 10 years; and (ii) the defendant was not more than 2 years older; and that that person consented to the sexual intercourse. Tas ...The consent of a person against whom a crime is alleged to have been committed under this section is a defence to such a charge only where, at the time the crime was alleged to have been committed - (b) that person was of or above the age of 12 years and the accused person was not more than 3 years older than that person. Vic Consent is not a defence to a charge unless at the time of the alleged offence the child was aged 12 or older and - (b) the accused was not more than 2 years older than the child; WA Criminal Code Act Compilation Act 1913 (Section 321). If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 321(9-10). It states that: It is a defence to a charge under this section to prove the accused person - (b) was not more than 3 years older than the child Under subsection 10, it is a defence to a charge to move that the accused was lawfully married to the child.

So you Christian apologists think that is fine for a person to have sex with somebody who not yet reached puberty as per Australian law?

Do you understand how we operate in Australia?

These are the secular laws of Australia, we separate church and state.

Laws are made by the Parliament.

Members of parliament come from all walks of life.

What would you prefer, true c0unt, prisons full of 14 year old kids for the crime of having teen sex?
I blame Christianity.

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

What would you prefer, true c0unt, prisons full of 14 year old kids for the crime of having teen sex?

If they are having sex with pre-pubertal girls then yes; lock the sick bastards up.

I would prefer that Australian law did not allow anybody to have sex with younger pre-pubescent girls.

It is legal for a 16 year-old in WA and Tasmania to have sex with 13 year-old girl even if she has not reached puberty. Isn't this an abuse of human rights?

In WA it is much worse than this. Apparently a 90 year-old man can go marry a girl on her 14th birthday in some Catholic country like Columbia, Bolivia or Paraguay, bring her back to WA, and then legally have sex with her regardless of whether she has reached puberty or not.

I think you're really clutching now mate.

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

This obviousy applies to young teens having sex with other young teens doesn't it TC. Not dirty old Mo and a 9 year old girl. I blame Christianity.

Exactly. I blame Islam.

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

I think you're really clutching now mate.

Face it, I have posted the proof that Australia sometimes allows people to have sex with pre-pubertal girls. Australian law is far more backward than Islam.

Teenagers sometimes have sex with teenagers. Send the flying squad. Also, can you tell me how many Uruguayans have brought their pre-pubescent girls to settle in WA and TAS. You know everything else!

True Colours wrote in part:


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If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 55(3). It states that: It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that :

You still don't get it, do you T.C.?

It is an allowable **defence**, not an exoneration, it is still decided by the courts, what the outcome / sentence / result of a prosecution will be.

This decision will be decided by a host of extenuating and pertinent circumstances.

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

True Colours wrote in part: Quote: If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 55(3). It states that: It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that : You still don't get it, do you T.C.? It is an allowable **defence**, not an exoneration, it is still decided by the courts, what the outcome / sentence / result of a prosecution will be. This decision will be decided by a host of extenuating and pertinent circumstances.

Call it what you want, it is just semantics.

The fact is that in Australia there are occasions when people will not be prosecuted for having sex with younger pre-pubertal girls.

It is sick. Where is the justice?

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

Teenagers sometimes have sex with teenagers

Ah yes, but if they’re Muselmen, it’s an explosion of Mo-inspired paedophilia.

Shurely shome mishtake, non?

Teenagers with teenagers, Karnal. Not middle aged men with teenagers. (And  im not talking SEVENTEEEN or even SIXTEEN). Im talking a very middle aged Mo with a 9 year old girl. Clear enough, Karnal.

Have you googled those stats yet, T.C?

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 5:56pm:

Teenagers with teenagers, Karnal. Not middle aged men with teenagers. (And  im not talking SEVENTEEEN or even SIXTEEN). Im talking a very middle aged Mo with a 9 year old girl. Clear enough, Karnal.

I’m glad you clarified that, Hazy. You might want to inform FD, Y and the old boy.

They’re under the impression that underage defacto partnerships of largely Aboriginal youth represent an epidemic of Muslim child marriage.

Don’t tell FD though - he’ll call you a paedophile.

Dear boys and girls this thread is supposed to be a serious in depth discussion on the salivating thoughts and sayings of the perfect man. It is not an orifice for cheap, nasty and oft talked about Mo's predilection (should be predi lick tion in my opinion) for pre pubescent (forced marriage, change the hadiths) young babies, sorry ladies.

I am in no doubt that God, (Gandalf) would be in total agreement on this score for you have broken one of Gods (Gandalf's) commandments.

Thou shalt stick to topic!

Far be it from me to estimate Gods (Gandies) wrath on this delicate topic of paedophilia (look at what is supposed to have happened to Moses) but if you looked at http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399862409/70#70 it would alleviate much angst amongst your good selves, allowing you to fully comprehend the inner workings of child molestation.

For example "TC bonks children, so did Mohammed"! 

You can also review a small part of the huge library on underage bonking here http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1398560132/11#11


For all other enquires please contact God direct.

A common trait of a fundamentalist (insert word here) is not being able to admit when they're wrong. Although mainstream Australia does not allow any sexual conduct with anyone below the age of consent, some remote Aboriginal communities still have elements of tribal law (oh, us racist Europeans). This still doesnt explain Mo's ( or o.t Jews) penchance for little girls.
I blame Islam
And Judaism

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 5:56pm:

Teenagers with teenagers, Karnal. Not middle aged men with teenagers. (And  im not talking SEVENTEEEN or even SIXTEEN). Im talking a very middle aged Mo with a 9 year old girl. Clear enough, Karnal.

So it's not really the age of the girl you are worried about. It's the age of the man. How thoughtful.



Australian laws permit sex with pre-pubertal girls. Does it make you proud? Does it make you feel 'modern'?


The white man must be advanced to think up such a scenario no?

Men are generally the perpetrators of rape or pederism. So the onus will more often than not be on the man to prove his innocence. That's why theres a grey area in Australias carnal knowledge laws. No such grey area in islam, is there? All you have to do is remove the nappy, right Ayatolla?

True Colours wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

moses wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 11:03am: 12 years old? Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad This is incorrect. In Islamic law any contract, such as marriage, can only be entered into by adults. The marriage does not become valid until both parties reach adulthood. Talmudic Judaism, on the other hand, permits sex with 3 year-old girls. Christianity doesn't even seem to have an age of consent at all. Perhaps this is why it in some cases it is legal to have sex with a girl has not even reached puberty in Australia today. No marriage, no puberty, but legal! Christian values eh? Christians have been all over the place on the age of consent. Just look at the US: Quote: In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America In the Vatican it was legal to have sex with a girl or boy who had not reached puberty until just last year! http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/vatican-city-raises-age-consent-12-18-following-scandals120713

Would you mind citing the verses where Muhammed establishes an age of consent?


Karnal wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

hazy123 wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 5:56pm: Teenagers with teenagers, Karnal. Not middle aged men with teenagers. (And  im not talking SEVENTEEEN or even SIXTEEN). Im talking a very middle aged Mo with a 9 year old girl. Clear enough, Karnal. I’m glad you clarified that, Hazy. You might want to inform FD, Y and the old boy. They’re under the impression that underage defacto partnerships of largely Aboriginal youth represent an epidemic of Muslim child marriage. Don’t tell FD though - he’ll call you a paedophile.

Youa re the one calling for pedophilia to be legalised Karnal, not me.

You see? FD thinks kids having sex is paedophilia. He thinks jurisdictions like New Zealand,  Canada and some US states have legalized paedophilia by having sliding age scales in their sexual consent laws.

He’s also under the strange impression that most of them are Muslims.

I blame Muhammed (peace be upon him).

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

True Colours wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 12:46pm: moses wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 11:03am: 12 years old? Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad This is incorrect. In Islamic law any contract, such as marriage, can only be entered into by adults. The marriage does not become valid until both parties reach adulthood. Talmudic Judaism, on the other hand, permits sex with 3 year-old girls. Christianity doesn't even seem to have an age of consent at all. Perhaps this is why it in some cases it is legal to have sex with a girl has not even reached puberty in Australia today. No marriage, no puberty, but legal! Christian values eh? Christians have been all over the place on the age of consent. Just look at the US: Quote: In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America In the Vatican it was legal to have sex with a girl or boy who had not reached puberty until just last year! http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/vatican-city-raises-age-consent-12-18-following-scandals120713 Would you mind citing the verses where Muhammed establishes an age of consent?

I could post he evidence but it is quite complicated, and I doubt that you would understand it so here is a brief summary.


Islam orders the prevention of harm or injury to innocents. Thereby, Islam prohibits sexual conduct that would be injurious - not having sex with a child would be included in this principle.



When it comes to Islam sex outside of marriage is viewed as forbidden. Therefore consent is only given in the context of marriage.

In Islam, marriage is a contract.

However, the marriage contract is sealed by the consummation of the marriage, so that the marriage contract remains in a suspended state until the consummation. The consummated marriage has different legal status to the unconsummated marriage - this is a big difference to Australian custom which places little emphasis on the legal status of consummation or pre-consumptual marriage.

When it comes to marriage, Islam technically permits the contract to in effect be drawn up when either party is a child. But that contract does not come into full effect until later at the time of consummation.

In Islam, a contract is only valid between two consenting adulthood parties. Therefore, a marriage contract can only be sealed with consummation when both parties have achieved adulthood. The marriage in Islam is only considered valid if there is consent.

In Islamic contract law, an adult agent can act on behalf of a child in order to give consent to a contract in normal business transactions. However, marriage is different because the consent of the bride has been stipulated as necessary to validate the contract:


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"A previously married woman cannot be married until her order is sought and a virgin cannot be married until her permission is sought. - Bukhari

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"...a virgin girl came to the Prophet [peace and blessings of God upon him] and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet gave her the choice (of whether to annul the marriage)." - Abu Dawood, et al.

Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.

Would you mind citing the verses where Muhammed establishes an age of consent?

Won't happen.


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Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.

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Lots of words there and no proof at all.

True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

When it comes to Islam sex outside of marriage is viewed as forbidden.

Unless you are from Pakistan and have relocated to the UK, then you can gang rape the white kufre girl!


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

However, the marriage contract is sealed by the consummation of the marriage

By having sex with a nine year old!


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

But that contract does not come into full effect until later at the time of consummation.

Read "rape of a minor"!


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

an adult agent can act on behalf of a child in order to give consent to a contract in normal business transactions. However, marriage is different because the consent of the bride has been stipulated as necessary to validate the contract:

Read " enter a child into slavery"!


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults

A nine year old adult? Read sick bastard!


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Islamic scholars

Don't make me laugh you sick paedo!

Hear Hear

One of the greatest Islamic scholars of the 20th century Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen was asked about the issue of marriage, and said that marriage should not take place until a girl reaches adulthood, and then she must give her consent to the marriage taking place.

The prophet of Islam told Muslims to marry women of child-bearing age:


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‘Marry reproductive, maternal/loving women...." Abu Dawood, An-Nasaa'i, Ahmed & Ibn Hibban)

Other Saudi scholars such as Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid said that consummation of a marriage should be delayed even adulthood where the woman was not physically ready.

Where for art thou Gandalf.

We desireth thoust presence most urgent.

An affliction has besotted this most noble forum, to whit the kufre have gained control of the chicken coop.

Have you decided its time to practise ("walkabout") if so very poor judgement in my opinion.

We need you here, blasphemy is taking place on this most noblest of places.

Heads Must Roll!

True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

One of the greatest Islamic scholars of the 20th century Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen

Mo was the Perfect Man what does this pervert Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen know about Truth?


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

marriage should not take place until a girl reaches adulthood,

Just let me consult Hey Dad on that 10 year point.


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

The prophet of Islam told Muslims to marry women of child-bearing age

Then why the EF did he marry a 9 yr old???????

The only restriction on muslims having sex with little girls is to not cause permanent damage. If that happens the man is responsible for the girl forthe rest of her life. Sort of unfortunate for the well endowed muslim who likes to pound infants, eh? Like the ayatolla!!!

True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent? The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults. Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.

You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! ;D ;D ;D

Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"??





Google: Taqiyya.

Further study:

Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?"

After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam,

However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy

Dirty, murderous arse-bandits.

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Google: Taqiyya.

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The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

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Sunni Islam is the largest branch of Islam...Sunni Islam is the world's largest religious body[1] and largest religious denomination for any religion in the world. Sunni Islam is sometimes referred to as the orthodox version of the religion... ...A study conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2010 and released January 2011[8] found that there are 1.62 billion Muslims around the world, and it is estimated that the Sunni population is between 75% and 90%.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Islam

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm: Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent? The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults. Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures. You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! ;D ;D ;D Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"?? Google: Taqiyya. Further study: Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?" After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam, However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy Dirty, murderous arse-bandits.

Dirty!

So says a dear who eats his own stool.

Miam miam.

Rich tapestry, innit. Muselmen, old boy Huns...

And they blame.multiculturalism.

No no, I blame Islam. Their arse bandits steal sub-quality stool.

Karnal wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm: True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm: Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent? The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults. Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures. You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! ;D ;D ;D Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"?? Google: Taqiyya. Further study: Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?" After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam, However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy Dirty, murderous arse-bandits. Dirty! So says a dear who eats his own stool. Miam miam. Rich tapestry, innit. Muselmen, old boy Huns... And they blame.multiculturalism. No no, I blame Islam. Their arse bandits steal sub-quality stool.

Yes, well i think we might need to ask Freud about all this as well.

What about Shi'ite and Bahath, what are their views on f cking kids?

Sorry, shia.

True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Soren wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm: True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm: Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent? The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults. Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures. You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! ;D ;D ;D Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"?? Google: Taqiyya. Further study: Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?" After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam, However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy Dirty, murderous arse-bandits. Dirty! So says a dear who eats his own stool. Miam miam. Rich tapestry, innit. Muselmen, old boy Huns... And they blame.multiculturalism. No no, I blame Islam. Their arse bandits steal sub-quality stool. Yes, well i think we might need to ask Freud about all this as well.

What would Freud know about the jihadi bruvvers getting up each other for Allah's sake?

Islam accommodates ass-smacking as well as arse-smacking.  You, a bruvver, should be worried - or are you hopeful? - Karnal is around...

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

What about Shi'ite and Bahath, what are their views on f cking kids?

Probably similar to your local Catholic priest's. Why don't you go to Iran and ask them?

Thise Catholic priests are all up before a royal commission. What's happening to all the muslim pedos? Yes, well, quickly now.

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

What about Shi'ite and Bahath, what are their views on f cking kids?

I say, old boy, this one’s up for a sh!t bath.

Are you packing?

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Thise Catholic priests are all up before a royal commission. What's happening to all the muslim pedos? Yes, well, quickly now.

They are worshiping the pedophile profit in their mosques.

True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Soren wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm: True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm: Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent? The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults. Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures. You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! ;D ;D ;D Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"?? Google: Taqiyya. Further study: Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?" After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam, However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy Dirty, murderous arse-bandits. Dirty! So says a dear who eats his own stool. Miam miam. Rich tapestry, innit. Muselmen, old boy Huns... And they blame.multiculturalism. No no, I blame Islam. Their arse bandits steal sub-quality stool. Yes, well i think we might need to ask Freud about all this as well.

Nothing to see here. It’s all good clean sausage-essen fun from the old country.

Sometimes a stool is just a stool, no?

Mattywisk wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

hazy123 wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 9:24pm: Thise Catholic priests are all up before a royal commission. What's happening to all the muslim pedos? Yes, well, quickly now. They are worshiping the pedophile profit in their mosques.

This one’s gagging. Like a drink?

Sit down in the old boy’s inflatable pool. He’ll serve you.

Karnal wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm: hazy123 wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 9:24pm: Thise Catholic priests are all up before a royal commission. What's happening to all the muslim pedos? Yes, well, quickly now. They are worshiping the pedophile profit in their mosques. This one’s gagging. Like a drink? Sit down in the old boy’s inflatable pool. He’ll serve you.

You're nothing but a Troll

Mattywisk wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

worship[p]ing  profi[phe]t...

Don't worry, keep trying. I am sure you will get the hang of the English language some day.

BTW, technically-speaking Muslims aren't allowed to worship their prophet... or their profit either. Jews, on the other hand, well we all know what people say about them and their profits. ;)

True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm: worship[p]ing  profi[phe]t... Don't worry, keep trying. I am sure you will get the hang of the English language some day. BTW, technically-speaking Muslims aren't allowed to worship their prophet... or their profit either. Jews, on the other hand, well we all know what people say about them and their profits. ;)

I spelt it the way I intended dopey.  I guess that flew right over the cuckoos nest didn't it.  ;D

Mattywisk wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:16pm: Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm: hazy123 wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 9:24pm: Thise Catholic priests are all up before a royal commission. What's happening to all the muslim pedos? Yes, well, quickly now. They are worshiping the pedophile profit in their mosques. This one’s gagging. Like a drink? Sit down in the old boy’s inflatable pool. He’ll serve you. You're nothing but a Troll

Have some P. It’s on the house.

Old boy - decanter for table 9. No spillage this time.

Mattywisk wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:27pm: Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm: worship[p]ing  profi[phe]t... Don't worry, keep trying. I am sure you will get the hang of the English language some day. BTW, technically-speaking Muslims aren't allowed to worship their prophet... or their profit either. Jews, on the other hand, well we all know what people say about them and their profits. ;) I spelt it the way I intended dopey.  I guess that flew right over the cuckoos nest didn't it.  ;D

Worshiping is the US spelling. Where were you born?

Karnal wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:26pm: Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:16pm: Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm: hazy123 wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 9:24pm: Thise Catholic priests are all up before a royal commission. What's happening to all the muslim pedos? Yes, well, quickly now. They are worshiping the pedophile profit in their mosques. This one’s gagging. Like a drink? Sit down in the old boy’s inflatable pool. He’ll serve you. You're nothing but a Troll Have some P. It’s on the house. Old boy - decanter for table 9. No spillage this time.

No thanks I'm just walking past the Mosque. More for the clerics.  :)

True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 10:43pm:

Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:29pm: True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:27pm: Mattywisk wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm: worship[p]ing  profi[phe]t... Don't worry, keep trying. I am sure you will get the hang of the English language some day. BTW, technically-speaking Muslims aren't allowed to worship their prophet... or their profit either. Jews, on the other hand, well we all know what people say about them and their profits. ;) I spelt it the way I intended dopey.  I guess that flew right over the cuckoos nest didn't it.  ;D Worshiping is the US spelling. Where were you born?

You are a certified Genius. None of your business.   :)

Another fifth generation wog.

We do welcome you here, you know, Matty. We appreciate your generousity, humility, and love for all humanity.

I feel there’s a lot we can learn from you people.

I doubt that given your post.

Karnal wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

You see? FD thinks kids having sex is paedophilia. He thinks jurisdictions like New Zealand,  Canada and some US states have legalized paedophilia by having sliding age scales in their sexual consent laws. He’s also under the strange impression that most of them are Muslims. I blame Muhammed (peace be upon him).

Not sex between children Karnal. You were calling for pedophilia to be legalised, claiming that the laws against it do more harm than good. No wonder you are always standing up for Islam.


True Colours wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

freediver wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:56am: True Colours wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 12:46pm: moses wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 11:03am: 12 years old? Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad This is incorrect. In Islamic law any contract, such as marriage, can only be entered into by adults. The marriage does not become valid until both parties reach adulthood. Talmudic Judaism, on the other hand, permits sex with 3 year-old girls. Christianity doesn't even seem to have an age of consent at all. Perhaps this is why it in some cases it is legal to have sex with a girl has not even reached puberty in Australia today. No marriage, no puberty, but legal! Christian values eh? Christians have been all over the place on the age of consent. Just look at the US: Quote: In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America In the Vatican it was legal to have sex with a girl or boy who had not reached puberty until just last year! http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/vatican-city-raises-age-consent-12-18-following-scandals120713 Would you mind citing the verses where Muhammed establishes an age of consent? I could post he evidence but it is quite complicated, and I doubt that you would understand it so here is a brief summary. Islam orders the prevention of harm or injury to innocents. Thereby, Islam prohibits sexual conduct that would be injurious - not having sex with a child would be included in this principle. When it comes to Islam sex outside of marriage is viewed as forbidden. Therefore consent is only given in the context of marriage. In Islam, marriage is a contract. However, the marriage contract is sealed by the consummation of the marriage, so that the marriage contract remains in a suspended state until the consummation. The consummated marriage has different legal status to the unconsummated marriage - this is a big difference to Australian custom which places little emphasis on the legal status of consummation or pre-consumptual marriage. When it comes to marriage, Islam technically permits the contract to in effect be drawn up when either party is a child. But that contract does not come into full effect until later at the time of consummation. In Islam, a contract is only valid between two consenting adulthood parties. Therefore, a marriage contract can only be sealed with consummation when both parties have achieved adulthood. The marriage in Islam is only considered valid if there is consent. In Islamic contract law, an adult agent can act on behalf of a child in order to give consent to a contract in normal business transactions. However, marriage is different because the consent of the bride has been stipulated as necessary to validate the contract: [quote]  "A previously married woman cannot be married until her order is sought and a virgin cannot be married until her permission is sought. - Bukhari

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"...a virgin girl came to the Prophet [peace and blessings of God upon him] and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet gave her the choice (of whether to annul the marriage)." - Abu Dawood, et al.

Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.[/quote]

So by the Islamic standard, Muhammed was a pedophile?

Why do Muslim scholars recourse to racism in the context of pedophilia?

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 8:43am:

Not sex between children Karnal. You were calling for pedophilia to be legalised

A complete and willful misrepresentation of Karnal's position. Karnal made an eloquent case for abolishing the age of consent specifically to better combat sexual abuse including pedophilia.

You are completely incapable of arguing this issue rationally. You simply resort to 'filthy muslim pedophile apologist' insults.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 11:31am:

freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 8:43am: Not sex between children Karnal. You were calling for pedophilia to be legalised A complete and willful misrepresentation of Karnal's position. Karnal made an eloquent case for abolishing the age of consent specifically to better combat sexual abuse including pedophilia. You are completely incapable of arguing this issue rationally. You simply resort to 'filthy muslim pedophile apologist' insults.

Do you think we should combat pedophilia by abolishing age of consent laws? How about legalising rape while we are at it? How different is Karnal's position from traditional Islamic doctrine?

How is my post a misrepresentation? Just because he makes an argument eloquently does not mean he isn't making the argument. This board is full of Muslims making eloquent arguments for abhorrent beliefs.

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 5:59pm:

How is my post a misrepresentation? Just because he makes an argument eloquently does not mean he isn't making the argument. This board is full of Muslims making eloquent arguments for abhorrent beliefs.

Its a misrepresentation because nowhere did he call for pedophilia to be legalised. His argument about age of consent laws related to adolescent children having sex with each other, and how policing this detracts from the real issue of abuse. Pedophilia involves sexual abuse between an adult and a pre-pubescent child - who couldn't possibly be capable of consenting. Thus an argument about age of consent has nothing to do with pedophilia.

More broadly, you willfully misrepresent him to paint him as an apologist for sexual abuse, when in fact his argument was specific to establishing a more effective way of combating actual abuse. Your shrill kindergarten one line responses that involve the helpful phrases "support/want to legalise pedophilia" and "muslim/islam apologist" ensure that this important issue is not rationally discussed.

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His argument about age of consent laws related to adolescent children having sex with each other, and how policing this detracts from the real issue of abuse.

This is already legal, if they are of similar age.


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More broadly, you willfully misrepresent him to paint him as an apologist for sexual abuse

Yes it is wrong of me to paint someone who wants to legalise pedophilia as an apologist for sexual abuse. Here, have another poo sandwich.

TC:


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When it comes to Islam sex outside of marriage is viewed as forbidden.

Crap. Islam creates a whole industry of female sexual slavery. Muslims will argue (eloquently) that this is "like" marriage, but only because Islamic marriage is so similar to sexual slavery.


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One of the greatest Islamic scholars of the 20th century Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen was asked about the issue of marriage, and said that marriage should not take place until a girl reaches adulthood, and then she must give her consent to the marriage taking place.

Does this guy think Muhammed was a pedophile?


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The prophet of Islam told Muslims to marry women of child-bearing age:

He also married a 6 year old girl.

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Quote: His argument about age of consent laws related to adolescent children having sex with each other, and how policing this detracts from the real issue of abuse. This is already legal, if they are of similar age.

And in Australia, you will not necessarily even go to jail if you are much older than the child you are having sex with:



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Woman escapes jail for sex with 13-year-old May 23, 2014 A Melbourne woman who repeatedly had sex with a 13-year-old boy-next-door and had three of his children has escaped jail. The woman, who cannot be named, started having sex with her teenage neighbour in August 2004, when she was 22... ...The woman, now 32, pleaded guilty to maintaining a sexual relationship with a child under the age of 16. Judge O'Neill said the woman gave the boy alcohol, drugs and freedom, but that was not evidence of grooming or predatory behaviour. :o ...The boy was 13 when the pair started having sex. They lived together for a time and had their first child when he was 15. The couple had two more children before they split up in 2009. The boy reported the relationship to police in November 2011, but the woman wasn't interviewed until July 2012. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/woman-escapes-jail-for-sex-with-13yearold-20140523-38t1c.html

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Quote: More broadly, you willfully misrepresent him to paint him as an apologist for sexual abuse Yes it is wrong of me to paint someone who wants to legalise pedophilia as an apologist for sexual abuse. Here, have another poo sandwich.

Lying means nothing to you does it? I have written on this board a number of times that child rapers should be executed.




freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Islam creates a whole industry of female sexual slavery.

Garbage.  I have repeatedly shown you evidence from the Quran that forcing anyone into sex is forbidden.

But as usual you continue to hurl the same lies around.

You are one of those who argues that Australia "was built on Judeo-Christian values", so what is your opinion about the Bible's encouragement of slavery and sex slavery? What is your stance on the jewish Talmud giving permission to rape 3 year-old gentile girls?




freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Does this guy think Muhammed was a pedophile?

Should he?





freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Quote: The prophet of Islam told Muslims to marry women of child-bearing age: He also married a 6 year old girl.

Care to define this term "marry" in the sense that it was used in at the time?

Is the fact that he didn't begin living with her until years later relevant?

Is the fact that marriage was simply seen at the time as contract that could be fulfilled later ( even many years later) relevant?

Is it misleading to let people assume that to marry might mean the same thing today in our culture (with presumptions about immediately living together) what it meant 1400 years ago in another culture?

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

This is already legal, if they are of similar age.

Incorrect. If the boy is exactly 16 and the girl is 15 and 11 months, the boy can be charged.


freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Yes it is wrong of me to paint someone who wants to legalise pedophilia as an apologist for sexual abuse.

And he never said pedophilia should be legalised.

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Lying means nothing to you does it? I have written on this board a number of times that child rapers should be executed.

We were talking about karnal TC. Try to keep up.


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Garbage.  I have repeatedly shown you evidence from the Quran that forcing anyone into sex is forbidden.

Yes I remember that. You admitted it was 'complicated', and your argument sounded like a lengthy word association game. On the other hand, it is very clear and simple that Islam permits sexual slavery (and wife beating etc), both in theory and in practice. It occurred in the Islamic empire, starting with Muhammed and lasting for the entirety of its existence, and only wound down due to that nasty 'foreign interference' from Europe that the Muslims keep whining about.


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But as usual you continue to hurl the same lies around.

What lies? That you are Karnal?


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You are one of those who argues that Australia "was built on Judeo-Christian values"

Kind of ironic that you trot this out after accusing me of lying.


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so what is your opinion about the Bible's encouragement of slavery and sex slavery?

I am not convinced that it does, but either way, I reject it entirely. The story of the Jews escaping from Egypt sounds like an anti-slavery narrative to me.


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What is your stance on the jewish Talmud giving permission to rape 3 year-old gentile girls?

Sounds nasty.


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Care to define this term "marry" in the sense that it was used in at the time?

I have no idea what a Muslim marriage looks like. Muhammed married her when she was 6, and had sex with her when she was 9. Not sure why you would turn this into a semantic issue. In other words, do try to keep up.


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Is the fact that he didn't begin living with her until years later relevant?

Sure, otherwise he would have been having sex with a 6 year old, which would be even worse.


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Is it misleading to let people assume that to marry might mean the same thing today in our culture (with presumptions about immediately living together) what it meant 1400 years ago in another culture?

We have been over this plenty of times. I doubt anyone is confused about what Muhammed did to little Aisha. Oops I meant that fully grown 9 year old woman.


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Incorrect. If the boy is exactly 16 and the girl is 15 and 11 months, the boy can be charged.

That is not my understanding of the law, or of what Karnal was on about.


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And he never said pedophilia should be legalised.

Of course not. That wouldn't be eloquent, would it? If Karnal wishes to take a break from talking about eating poo, I'm sure he is more than capable of speaking on his own behalf.

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:58am:

That is not my understanding of the law, or of what Karnal was on about.

Well its not surprising that you don't pay attention to the relevant facts given your determination to keep this at the "garr! pedophile supporter - garr! muslim apologist!" level of sophistication.

If you actually read K's original post, he said that most cases of child sex "crimes" involve children with other children. That is exactly the point about our law as it currently stands - whether you understand it or not. We are chasing our tails spending all our time and resources trying to crack down on consensual relationships between children, and actual abuse inevitably slips through the cracks as a result.


freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:58am:

Of course not. That wouldn't be eloquent, would it? If Karnal wishes to take a break from talking about eating poo, I'm sure he is more than capable of speaking on his own behalf.

Your free to read his thoughts properly for once. You can start here.

Also, as has been pointed out to you before, pedophilia is already legal. You can't criminalise a thought. What is illegal is acting out on those thoughts - ie abuse of children by adults - ie what K was  addressing.

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he said that most cases of child sex "crimes" involve children with other children

Is it an epidemic?


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Also, as has been pointed out to you before, pedophilia is already legal. You can't criminalise a thought.

Yes, I would like to thank Karnal for this little gem of wisdom. BTW, Muslims can criminalise thoughts. That's what Islam is all about. You wouldn't get away with it here of course.

Set a heavy task by Ganalf, "(so yes, you did make up the claim about penis licking)" getting to the bottom of this has been an arduous journey fraught with mistaken leads and dead ends.

One item of note is attached. If this is real Mo should have practised it and we wouldn't be in such a pickle.

Yes folks penis thievery.

http://observers.france24.com/content/20140522-mob-kills-genital-thief-burkina-faso-lynching

Majority Religion?