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Message started by imcrookonit on May 5th, 2014 at 6:51am

Title: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by imcrookonit on May 5th, 2014 at 6:51am
Galaxy poll shows voters oppose increase of pension age to 70

    ELLEN WHINNETT
    Herald Sun
    May 04, 2014



THE Government has failed to convince Australians of the need to tighten their belts, with an exclusive poll showing voters are overwhelmingly ­opposed to plans to raise the pension age to 70.      :)

A Galaxy poll conducted exclusively for the Herald Sun shows 69 per cent of voters are opposed to the move.

More than half of Coalition voters polled - 57 per cent - did not support the pension age being lifted from 67 (taking effect in 2023) to 70.      :)

Just over a third - 34 per cent - were in favour of it. And 81 per cent of Labor voters were against it.

NEW POLL SHOWS PM WOULD LOSE AN ELECTION

The Government received slightly more support for its likely plan to introduce a $6 fee for people to attend a bulk-billed doctor’s appointment.

More than half the Coalition voters polled - 54 per cent - supported the move, while only 25 per cent of Labor voters supported it.

The Government is expected to use the May 13 Budget to introduce the new fee, which is likely to be somewhere between $6 and $15, for all trips to the doctor, although there would be a cheaper concession rate.

Treasurer Joe Hockey ­announced last week that the Government would raise the pension age to 70 years from 2035.      :(

Galaxy director managing director David Briggs said the results were similar across all age groups and both genders.

“What we are seeing is that it really doesn’t matter how you slice and dice it, the Government really hasn’t sold the idea of the austerity measures.”

Mr Briggs said the results might also reflect the fact that people seemed to identify qualifying for the pension as a rite of passage.      :)

“Maybe the general consensus is that you work all your life, and when you reach a certain age, you access the pension,” Mr Briggs said.

He said older voters polled were unhappy about the pension age rise, despite the changes not affecting them.

The Galaxy poll also looked at voting intention and showed that Prime Minister Tony Abbott would lose an election if it were held today.      :)

After weeks of talking up a”budget emergency” and revelations they were hatching plans for a new debt tax, the Coalition Government’s two-party preferred vote slipped to 48 per cent to Labor’s 52 per cent.

The September election saw the Abbott-led Coalition win by attracting 53.5 per cent of the two-party preferred vote to Labor’s 46.5 per cent.

The May 13 Budget will include a range of severe cost-savings measures, including cuts to welfare, tightening of eligibility for a number of benefits, and the likely debt tax as the Government looks to cut billions of dollars in spending from its bottom line.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Dame Pansi on May 5th, 2014 at 7:29am

“Maybe the general consensus is that you work all your life, and when you reach a certain age, you access the pension,” Mr Briggs said.

That's right Mr Briggs, that's exactly what we think, and that age is 65, not 67 or 70, but we will make every effort to bring it down to 60 to give youth a chance at work.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by imcrookonit on May 5th, 2014 at 7:36am
Well said Dame Pansi,  putting the pension age up to 70, is a ridiculous idea.  It is clear that most people are opposed to it.      ;)      

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by St George of the Holy Copper on May 5th, 2014 at 7:38am
Rather than make those who can’t work work—beef up super. Of course the shambles—reimposed a tax on the super of those on low incomes.

The shambles are not governing for all—clearly on governing for the top 5-10% of Australians.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by cods on May 5th, 2014 at 8:01am
lefties oppose everything the right suggest...

ho hum..shorty has hardly said a word has he.. in fact again he is almost invisible.. just comes out and bleats the same mantra..d.head

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by imcrookonit on May 5th, 2014 at 8:05am
More than half of Coalition voters polled - 57 per cent - did not support the pension age being lifted from 67 (taking effect in 2023) to 70.      :)

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Sir Phoney Liebral on May 5th, 2014 at 8:39am
It's universally opposed.

Liberal voting pensioners aren't very happy with Tony at the moment.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by John Smith on May 5th, 2014 at 8:41am

cods wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:01am:
lefties oppose everything the right suggest...

;D ;D ;D ;D

thats funny coming from you .....


Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by St George of the Holy Copper on May 5th, 2014 at 9:04am

cods wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:01am:
lefties oppose everything the right suggest...

ho hum..shorty has hardly said a word has he.. in fact again he is almost invisible.. just comes out and bleats the same mantra..d.head

And righties accept everything the left suggests?

Shorten has made some good speeches. Probably 2GB and Daily Terror don’t report them. Why should Shorten make a lot of noise now when the Libs are making hugs mistakes all the time. I think the electorate is tired of the empty noise the simian made the last four years and Shorten is obliging them.

The polls show the Libs are killing themselves all on their own and don’t need any help.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 5th, 2014 at 9:14am
Why not just save for your retirement?

It's really not a difficult concept. My father retired at 60. He planned ahead.

Really isn't very hard to do. I think some people are just thick.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by cods on May 5th, 2014 at 9:15am

St George of the Garden wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:04am:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:01am:
lefties oppose everything the right suggest...

ho hum..shorty has hardly said a word has he.. in fact again he is almost invisible.. just comes out and bleats the same mantra..d.head

And righties accept everything the left suggests?

Shorten has made some good speeches. Probably 2GB and Daily Terror don’t report them. Why should Shorten make a lot of noise now when the Libs are making hugs mistakes all the time. I think the electorate is tired of the empty noise the simian made the last four years and Shorten is obliging them.

The polls show the Libs are killing themselves all on their own and don’t need any help.



well the point I am making he didnt oppose putting the age up to 67.. did he... and dont forget this wont take place tomorrow either..

but anyway I dont expect you to see the it.. so n o worries..

as for his speeches I only see what I see on TV and he hasnt been there has he??...

as for polls.. I dont take a bit of notice of them I am far too grown up...may as well put a medal on the kids that win the first heat..

I am trying to think did the labor govt do anything that was unpopular???>...we are expected to believe from the left on here that the CARBON TAX was what everyone wanted.. ::) ::)

but tell me what made krudd so unpopular they killed him??????.... same with gillard???  we know it was the polls..

so what did they do wrong???..dont tell me the in fighting.. because if thats the case then they didnt learn a thing did they??..

I am trying to think what they did that was unpopular with the left???>.

the smokes and grog tax wouldnt have bothered them..........was it the boats?? nothing changed after the assassination so couldnt have been..

they did so much... this is what I dont understand

they were so great yet they got voted out with a bang... and we have massive debt..that if wqe asked a lefty what was that debt spent on.. you couldnt tell us???>..

do we have a bridge....or a dam....or a new highway..or hospital...or airport....or anything???..

I am open to you convincing me crook...or even shorty convincing me..I am not that rusted on...

and no I dont think 70 will be popular...

but neither was the caster oil I was forced to take as a kid...

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by cods on May 5th, 2014 at 9:20am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:14am:
Why not just save for your retirement?

It's really not a difficult concept. My father retired at 60. He planned ahead.

Really isn't very hard to do. I think some people are just thick.



but we are not all born with investment brains andrei... it would never have occured to me when I was 15....and with the way things are today its a very up and down thing investment...

you make it sound so easy

I was always told earn a pound spend 19/6 and save 6 pence you will be rish.. spend 1 pound and 6 pence and you will always be poor..

did I stick with the save the 6 pence.. no I didnt..and I didnt have anywhere near the temptations that they have now..

it will be interesting to see how you children go andrei....

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by St George of the Holy Copper on May 5th, 2014 at 9:24am
Christ—you been at the cooking sherry already?

The debt we have is NOT massive. A small % of our GDP. The GDP that grew from $1.1Trn to $1.5Trn under Labor when nearly every major economy went backwards? We are now the world’s 12th largest economy.

Why do think the Libs bang on about the debt? Because Swan’s economic management was top class and that is why we have the 9As.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by John Smith on May 5th, 2014 at 9:25am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:14am:
Why not just save for your retirement?

It's really not a difficult concept. My father retired at 60. He planned ahead.

Really isn't very hard to do. I think some people are just thick.



thats easy when your income is 5 times the national average ..... ;)

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Grendel on May 5th, 2014 at 9:30am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 7:29am:
“Maybe the general consensus is that you work all your life, and when you reach a certain age, you access the pension,” Mr Briggs said.

That's right Mr Briggs, that's exactly what we think, and that age is 65, not 67 or 70, but we will make every effort to bring it down to 60 to give youth a chance at work.

Yes you can't believe the idiocy of people in parliament these days.  Bad enough Labor have locked in a rise to 67, but 70 is just ridiculous.  And yes Mr briggs the people do think you should be allowed to retire before you reach 70.  I keep telling you the current pollie talent pool is shallow.  :D

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on May 5th, 2014 at 10:46am
Voters?  what right have that unelected swill to comment on government policy and dictate terms to their masters???

Oh.. wait a minute.... they elected those hamsters to do a job on their behalf.. and they can take it away again....maybe the majority need to march on Canberra now...

I say double dissolution and let's all stand for parl-e-a-ment!

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on May 5th, 2014 at 10:50am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:14am:
Why not just save for your retirement?

It's really not a difficult concept. My father retired at 60. He planned ahead.

Really isn't very hard to do. I think some people are just thick.


**sighs** you father was in the 80% tax bracket - figures for which I put out the other day.  He would have been living on the then equivalent of around $400,000 gross... nearly 200,000 pahnd at today's rates. Tough to save, eh?  But let the peasants do it.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on May 5th, 2014 at 10:52am

St George of the Garden wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:04am:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:01am:
lefties oppose everything the right suggest...

ho hum..shorty has hardly said a word has he.. in fact again he is almost invisible.. just comes out and bleats the same mantra..d.head

And righties accept everything the left suggests?

Shorten has made some good speeches. Probably 2GB and Daily Terror don’t report them. Why should Shorten make a lot of noise now when the Libs are making hugs mistakes all the time. I think the electorate is tired of the empty noise the simian made the last four years and Shorten is obliging them.

The polls show the Libs are killing themselves all on their own and don’t need any help.


Napoleon famously quoted that you should never interrupt your enemy while he is in the process of making a mistake.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Doctor Jolly on May 5th, 2014 at 1:22pm
There was a great comment in the newspaper today...

It went along the lines of, the Abbott government can quite happily accept the scientific and statistical modelling which shows an aging population in 20 to 50 years time, and may policies to suit (pension at 70).

But cant accept the scientific and statistical modelling that the climate is warming ?

Rather odd, but then a government who only listens to special interest lobby groups will never perform rationally.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by Dame Pansi on May 5th, 2014 at 1:55pm

A Galaxy poll conducted exclusively for the Herald Sun shows 69 per cent of voters are opposed to the move.

So there's 31% of idiots that want to work until they're 70.......probably people that are already retired, like cods.....suck it up I've already got mine.

Title: Re: Most Voters Oppose Increase In Pension Age.
Post by PZ547 on May 5th, 2014 at 3:42pm
All LNP politicians across the board are staring their demise in the face, courtesy of Abbott-Hockey

I've already made my stance clear to LNP

They don't like it.  Thought they were there until their gravy-train, well funded retirement at our expense

I told them otherwise

The media favours LNP and is trying to exercise damage control on LNP behalf, but there are trickles indicating LNP pollies are threatening to cross the floor

Let LNP know how you feel if you're opposed.  Only takes a few minutes.  Thousands have already done so.  For the price of an email you could head Abbott-Hockey off at the pass.  Hit them via your local reps.  They're the most insecure.  Their fear will motivate them to protest loudly to Abbott-Hockey

With a bit of luck, we can have LNP clowns chucked out

Serves a dual purpose.  Any party that gets in will know better than to try Abbott's and Hockey's crap

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