High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition


The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female.

The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex.

Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female.

In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex.

The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked.

Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female.

Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options.

But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned.

It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose.

But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong.

The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case.

The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation.

Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie.

The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically.

The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option.

However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports.

The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902


Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners?

What a farce. What a waste of the Courts' time... :o

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:43am:

What a farce. What a waste of the Courts' time... :o

Take your gender neutral phobia and stick it where the sun don't shine.

____ wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:39am:

Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female.

Sorry, but I'm having a bit of trouble reconciling this - if a male underwent gender reassignment surgery, they would (apart from a few internal bits) be female - if a male had, shall we say, all his protruding bits cut off, he would still be a male, albeit a mutilated one.  Then there's the business of XX and XY chromosomes, which can't, as far as I am aware, be changed.

I don't see how it is possible not to belong to one sex or the other.  It's pretty simple, you are either male or female.  Sex is not like gender, where there are a lot of shades of grey.

I think this person doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:43am:

What a farce. What a waste of the Courts' time... :o

Exactly....

____ wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:39am:

Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female.

Norrie is male.
Norrie can marry a female.

NEXT!

So whats next greeny? After people start denying the reality of what sex they are, can people start denying to be of the human species as well? Will all government forms have a list of text boxes allowing for people to pick and choose sex (as well as nonspecific of course), species, and everything else as well?

I actually welcome this kind of shlt getting to court. It is now only a matter of time before many of the self declared open minded and tolerant people finally hit back and say this idiocy must end. There is in reality only a handful of total no hopers left in this country that actually believe and push for this rubbish. More and more are coming to realize how futile the progressive mind frame is.

Good grief.  This is idiotic and he should be seeing a shrink, not a judge.

I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point.

This is great news. Seeing the green party get behind issues like this will solidify the idea , in the electorate, that they are a party that does not worry about green issues and does not worry about the problems of suburbia.
With an agenda (or is that a gender) dedicated to causes such as this we should safely egt the green vote down to 4 % fairly quickly.
Like a terrible viral illness , that we have been slowly trying to eradicate (say smallpox), it is great to know that the green party will soon be eradicated.
Maybe we should set up a level 5 secure facility to keep a couple of green senators in cryogenic labs, so that future generations can study the brains and search for the neuropathology which is so obviously present

In what’s being described as a “turning point in the way that intersex people in Australia are seen and treated,” Senators from the three major political parties discussed intersex health issues in Federal Parliament this week.

“We have long fought for our voices to be heard, so to have the Australian Parliament acknowledge our existence and our issues is vital,” says Tony Briffa, who in 2011 became the world’s first out intersex Mayor.

“Today heralds a moment in our movement where our politicians were united in expressing great concern about the current paradigm. It’s not ok to pathologise us.”

The Senate’s attention makes history at a time when many Australians still don’t know what being ‘Intersex’ actually means. ‘Intersex’ describes a person whose biological sex is ambiguous. There are many genetic, hormonal or anatomical variations that may lead to this.

“Being intersex is not about gender identities or presentations, or sexual orientation,” explains Morgan Carpenter, (pictured with Briffa above), the president of Organisation Intersex Australia.

“Intersex people identify as female, male, both, and all sorts of identities between the binary. It’s a lived experience.”

Intersex infants are sometimes operated on shortly after birth in an effort to ‘normalise’ their gender, but this practice has become increasingly controversial, as intersex adults are now speaking up against it.

The involuntary and coerced medical treatment of intersex people as infants happens without the individuals’ consent and is a human rights issue, agree Greens Senator Rachel Siewert, Liberal Senator Sure Boyce and Labor Senator Claire Moore.

“We recommended that certainly nothing should happen to a child with intersex attributes until they were old enough to be involved in making a decision themselves,” commented Boyce.


http://www.samesame.com.au/news/10741/Senators-speak-up-on-rights-for-intersex-Australians


Oh look, the  lib lab parties are confronting the fact that the human race is more diverse than some here believe it to be.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:51am:

I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point.

I don't believe it mentioned  sexuality, only gender. 

Im not sure having a gender that is not of natural doing is worth spending money on. The courts should not have taken this on and said choose one, you have wasted enough of other peoples money.

If they guy underwent gender reassignment and now identifies as neither male nor female it would appear his reassignment failed then.

So it would also seem he doesn't know what he wants.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:51am:

I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point.

While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP.

There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP. There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to.

So if a man has a sex change to become female but continues to have sex with women does it make him a lesbian? Or does it make them a man who is a sexual Deviot that is into self mutilation?

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 12:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 11:24am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP. There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to. So if a man has a sex change to become female but continues to have sex with women does it make him a lesbian? Or does it make them a man who is a sexual Deviot that is into self mutilation?

There is no mention of what sex Norrie is attracted to, as far as I can see.

Thus, we have no idea of his sexuality.

He could be heterosexual, he could be homosexual. 

I may have missed something in the story (please let me know if I did), but I couldn't see any mention of his sexual preference.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP. There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to.

I would question how he even could be attracted to a particular sex since he cannot even define his own.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:43am:

What a farce. What a waste of the Courts' time... :o

Absolutely! Just think how much money could have been saved if the Registrar stuck by it's original decision! ;)


Quote:

In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked.

If a guy undergoes gender reassignment surgery and has a vagina replace his penis and breasts implanted on his chest, that makes him a woman, does it not? If a woman has her vagina and breasts removed and replaced with a penis, that makes her a guy, does it not? I've never heard of anyone having all genitalia (and breasts, in the case of women) removed to be replaced by only a urethra opening and nothing else! This is ridiculous. Surely there are far more important things for our taxpayer dollars to go toward than paying Judges to consider this crap?

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/04/02/1226872/378256-3efed7dc-ba14-11e3-a30e-7fa6d7d0bb68.jpg

the face of the left .........

I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality.

For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad.

Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 2:36pm:

I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality. For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad. Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources.

Why did you call it a she. Are you genderneutralphobe or something

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 2:42pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality. For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad. Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources. Why did you call it a she. Are you genderneutralphobe or something

Because that's how she identifies.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 2:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:42pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality. For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad. Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources. Why did you call it a she. Are you genderneutralphobe or something Because that's how she identifies.

So she and you know the answer to this waste of resources.  She is female. Just in case I confused you who I was referring to, it was norrie

I worked with someone once who was a male to female transsexual. After the operation, she considered herself to be a woman, and I accepted that.

What I do find a bit hard to follow is why someone would go through all this (and there's a lot more than just a bit of hormone therapy and an operation) and come out the other end saying they don't consider themselves as belonging to either sex.  I can see why they might not want to be labelled as being a particular gender, but as far as sex, as distinct from gender, is concerned you're either one or the other.

Frances wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 2:48pm:

I worked with someone once who was a male to female transsexual. After the operation, she considered herself to be a woman, and I accepted that. What I do find a bit hard to follow is why someone would go through all this (and there's a lot more than just a bit of hormone therapy and an operation) and come out the other end saying they don't consider themselves as belonging to either sex.  I can see why they might not want to be labelled as being a particular gender, but as far as sex, as distinct from gender, is concerned you're either one or the other.

Like you said, there's a distinct difference between sex and gender. The case is about gender.

Prog, I was speaking of my friend. I have no idea how Norrie identifies in regards to sex. I am not going to refer to her as "it" though, so "she" will have to do.

Quote:

Norrie May-Welby underwent male-to-female reassignment surgery on 3 April 1989, but later found that being a woman was not what May-Welby felt like either.May-Welby moved to Sydney, New South Wales in the early 1990s, after a highly publicised court case in Perth. Doctors stated, in January 2010, that May-Welby was a neuter, neither male nor female, a psychological self-image as a neuter, hormones not the same as a male's or female's, and he no sex organs. The New South Wales Government recognised May-Welby as being neither male or female - as hormonally, psychologically and physically he was neither male or female. May-Welby is now referred to as "zie" (rather than she/he) and "hir" (rather than her/him).This comes three years after Australia's foreign minister of the time had reversed a policy whereby people could obtain a passport stating their "intended sex."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norrie_May-Welby

Male or female not a pretty individual eh.
Waste of people's money...
Apparently the court has made a verdict.  ::)

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 2:36pm:

I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality. For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad. Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources.

What are her qualifications then?  And if her idea for a PhD is any clue then she has probably studied topics with zero career path.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 2:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:42pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality. For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad. Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources. Why did you call it a she. Are you genderneutralphobe or something Because that's how she identifies.

So she is not identifying as an it (neutral) but as a she, a woman.

This is a late capitalist, utterly consumerist attitude to identity and self. In no other setting would anyone pretend to even remotely comprehend it.

It is sadly unsurprising that all the luvvies as falling over themselves to applaud something so transparently, naively, shallowly derivative of the consumerist choice fetish. The 'choice' of being a man or a woman is not sufficient in a product and novelty mad consumerist society and so the madder and more outre members will take the idea to the 'market' of identity - as if who you were was all about you and your pathetic little choices in the supermarket of idiotic identity politics.

The concerned, head-tilting left, once again, are the agents of the most reactionary, manipulative, most blatantly market-inspired hoaxes and diversions.
No thinking is required and they are up for it. How's that for herd.

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 11:24am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP. There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to. I would question how he even could be attracted to a particular sex since he cannot even define his own.

Why?

I'm attracted to women, because I like women.  It has nothing to do with how I define myself.  I just like women.

If I decided to start defining myself as a woman, I would still be attracted to women.  I can't change what I'm attracted to, no matter how hard I may try.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24am:

There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to.

Like Scotty, Norrie doesn't know.

Every bloke is a lesbian trapped in a man's body. This bloke was a heterosexual woman trapped in a man's body.
Er, no wait.  A heterosexual man trapped in a man's body. No, no, wait, a bisexual man trapped in a man's body.

Nah, wait. A bisexual woman trapped in a bisexual man's body. Then he had the operation and found that she was now a bisexual woman, trapped in a transexual woman's body.
no wait, wait... a gender neutral nonman/nonwoman in a transsexual man's body.

I ordered a cheeseburger.

____ wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:46am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:43am: What a farce. What a waste of the Courts' time... :o Take your gender neutral phobia and stick it where the sun don't shine.

He might have the shock of his life and find you in the way, pal.

Soren wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:43pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:42pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality. For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad. Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources. Why did you call it a she. Are you genderneutralphobe or something Because that's how she identifies. So she is not identifying as an it (neutral) but as a she, a woman. This is a late capitalist, utterly consumerist attitude to identity and self. In no other setting would anyone pretend to even remotely comprehend it. It is sadly unsurprising that all the luvvies as falling over themselves to applaud something so transparently, naively, shallowly derivative of the consumerist choice fetish. The 'choice' of being a man or a woman is not sufficient in a product and novelty mad consumerist society and so the madder and more outre members will take the idea to the 'market' of identity - as if who you were was all about you and your pathetic little choices in the supermarket of idiotic identity politics. The concerned, head-tilting left, once again, are the agents of the most reactionary, manipulative, most blatantly market-inspired hoaxes and diversions. No thinking is required and they are up for it. How's that for herd.

Just because the thinking behind accepting these kinds of things doesn't agree with your own, doesn't mean there is no thought involved. Discrimination due to sex or sexuality is stupid. It doesn't recognise the humanity of the minority. Yes, yes - you hate minorities. So live your life never challenging or deviating the beige path you feel comfortable with, but slagging other people off for having the courage to carve out their place in society as they see fit just highlights your fear.


And of course a person's identity is largely dependent  on the choices they make and how they live their lives. 

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:46pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:43pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:42pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:36pm: I have a uni friend who is a post op male to female transsexual. She's doing her second degree while working as a hospital wards person because nobody will hire her. She works nights and studies during the day and is one of the most intelligent, humorous and gentle women I know. Her idea for a PhD is on the subject of gender neutrality. For what it's worth, she's bisexual, but predominately attracted to women - not that it's anyone's business but her own. She also lives in constant fear because so many of her friends have been the victims of mindless homophobic fear. It's pretty sad. Good on Norrie for having the courage to stand up for what she believes in. The fact that she challenged the registry office successfully all the way to the high court says that she has a valid case. While it might not seem important to those who don't struggle with the same problem, that does not mean Norrie's case is a waste of resources. Why did you call it a she. Are you genderneutralphobe or something Because that's how she identifies. So she is not identifying as an it (neutral) but as a she, a woman. This is a late capitalist, utterly consumerist attitude to identity and self. In no other setting would anyone pretend to even remotely comprehend it. It is sadly unsurprising that all the luvvies as falling over themselves to applaud something so transparently, naively, shallowly derivative of the consumerist choice fetish. The 'choice' of being a man or a woman is not sufficient in a product and novelty mad consumerist society and so the madder and more outre members will take the idea to the 'market' of identity - as if who you were was all about you and your pathetic little choices in the supermarket of idiotic identity politics. The concerned, head-tilting left, once again, are the agents of the most reactionary, manipulative, most blatantly market-inspired hoaxes and diversions. No thinking is required and they are up for it. How's that for herd. Just because the thinking behind accepting these kinds of things doesn't agree with your own, doesn't mean there is no thought involved. Discrimination due to sex or sexuality is stupid. It doesn't recognise the humanity of the minority. Yes, yes - you hate minorities. So live your life never challenging or deviating the beige path you feel comfortable with, but slagging other people off for having the courage to carve out their place in society as they see fit just highlights your fear. And of course a person's identity is largely dependent  on the choices they make and how they live their lives.

I made no claim about needing to agree with me.

My claim is that this sort of bizarre identity fetish is a late capitalist, market-oriented consumerist attitude transplanted to the invented market place of 'self-identity.'

"I am all about my choices"

Can't you see the consumerist fetish about 'I am my choices"?  It is a California-style semi-religious, consumerist choice-fetish.

It is the mineral water or confectionery market played out in "self-identity choices" - utterly pretentious and fraudulent.

'I am not a Mars Bar, I am Milky Way. How very dare you?


Discriminating - ie discerning difference - around sex is not stupid. And it is not hateful to say that those who imagine themselves to be neuters or teapots - "I'm a little teapot, short and stout, here is my handle, oh bugger I'm a sugar bowl" - are deluded. They are a minority only insofar as deluded and confused peopel ae a minority.

Their confusion is - confusion. Not a 'valid choice'.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:04pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 12:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 11:24am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP. There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to. I would question how he even could be attracted to a particular sex since he cannot even define his own. Why? I'm attracted to women, because I like women.  It has nothing to do with how I define myself.  I just like women.

Don’t go there. You’ll have the old boy preening up to the mirror in his negligee and fur slippers, pouting away.

I hope he leaves the colostomy bag on this time. Let’s try to avoid another evacuation, shall we?

Jolly good.

If it is neither female nor male then why does it wear a dress?

Karnal wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 9:04pm: Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 12:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 11:24am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP. There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to. I would question how he even could be attracted to a particular sex since he cannot even define his own. Why? I'm attracted to women, because I like women.  It has nothing to do with how I define myself.  I just like women. Don’t go there. You’ll have the old boy preening up to the mirror in his negligee and fur slippers, pouting away. I hope he leaves the colostomy bag on this time. Let’s try to avoid another evacuation, shall we? Jolly good.

You are always on the prowl for sh!t, PB. Can't have enough, no matter how full you are and god knows - sorry - Allah knows, you are full of it.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:45pm:

If it is neither female nor male then why does it wear a dress?

Because Norrie wants to.
Norrie said Norrie doesn't identify as male or female.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 8:45pm: If it is neither female nor male then why does it wear a dress? Because Norrie wants to. Norrie said Norrie doesn't identify as male or female.

Do you like men - do you like to dress up like a woman?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZgE_sUrXFY

Wassup Booby?
Was that beyond you?
He identifies as neither or should I say claims to.

Soren wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 8:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 9:04pm: Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 12:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 11:24am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. While I find this story quite strange, like most others here do, there's no mention of homosexuality in the OP. There's no mention of which sex Norrie is attracted to. I would question how he even could be attracted to a particular sex since he cannot even define his own. Why? I'm attracted to women, because I like women.  It has nothing to do with how I define myself.  I just like women. Don’t go there. You’ll have the old boy preening up to the mirror in his negligee and fur slippers, pouting away. I hope he leaves the colostomy bag on this time. Let’s try to avoid another evacuation, shall we? Jolly good. You are always on the prowl for sh!t, PB. Can't have enough, no matter how full you are and god knows - sorry - Allah knows, you are full of it.

Now now, not very ladylike, dear.

Remember, Bette Davis throws her whisky glass at the mirror, not her sh!t.

A lady keeps this in her purse, dear boy.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:05pm:

Wassup Booby? Was that beyond you? He identifies as neither or should I say claims to.

But it likes to dress up like a woman &
it reminded me of Tony Montana.       ;D

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Norrie said Norrie doesn't identify as male or female.

Norrie didn't want to be a barber.
He's a lumberjack and he's OK.
Like his dear mama.

Soren wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 8:54pm: Norrie said Norrie doesn't identify as male or female. Norrie didn't want to be a barber. He's a lumberjack and he's OK. Like his dear mama.

Mormor’s back in the old country, old chap. She’s picking flowers for the church.

Know what I mean?

Karnal wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:17pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 9:10pm: Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 8:54pm: Norrie said Norrie doesn't identify as male or female. Norrie didn't want to be a barber. He's a lumberjack and he's OK. Like his dear mama. Mormor’s back in the old country, old chap. She’s picking flowers for the church. Know what I mean?

No.
I never do. Nor you, I suspect.

This all reminds me of Ziggy Stardust - the androgynous space being:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8sdsW93ThQ

____ wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:39am:

High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female. The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex. Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female. In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked. Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female. Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options. But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned. It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose. But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong. The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case. The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation. Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie. The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically. The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option. However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports. The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902 Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners?

Norrie is a male whether he choses to accept this reality or not, and is free to marry any adult female of the human species on the planet irrespective of race or religion with the exception of any close relatives or married female humans, and can only be married to one female human at one time.
And if he does marry, he needs to wear long pants and not a wedding dress.
Hope this clears it up for you Green.
Personally speaking, I think this wacky kook would be better off going home and spend his time alone shagging sheep high up in the Scottish highlands, and remain there to live out his remaining years instead of wasting our courts time.
Our courts have better things to do, let this froot loop waste a Scottish courts time instead.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/04/04/1226875/141411-200e7a78-bbca-11e3-a72e-6df7cab5700a.jpg

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

____ wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female. The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex. Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female. In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked. Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female. Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options. But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned. It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose. But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong. The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case. The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation. Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie. The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically. The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option. However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports. The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902 Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners? Norrie is a male whether he choses to accept this reality or not, and is free to marry any adult female of the human species on the planet irrespective of race or religion with the exception of any close relatives or married female humans, and can only be married to one female human at one time. And if he does marry, he needs to wear long pants and not a wedding dress. Hope this clears it up for you Green. Personally speaking, I think this wacky kook would be better off going home and spend his time alone shagging sheep high up in the Scottish highlands, and remain there to live out his remaining years instead of wasting our courts time. Our courts have better things to do, let this froot loop waste a Scottish courts time instead.

Norrie is gender neutral, not male.

Time for marriage to represent the diverse nature of Australian society. Time to define marriage as between two adults ... the same marriage right our head of state has.

____ wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 5:19pm: ____ wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female. The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex. Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female. In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked. Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female. Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options. But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned. It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose. But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong. The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case. The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation. Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie. The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically. The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option. However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports. The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902 Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners? Norrie is a male whether he choses to accept this reality or not, and is free to marry any adult female of the human species on the planet irrespective of race or religion with the exception of any close relatives or married female humans, and can only be married to one female human at one time. And if he does marry, he needs to wear long pants and not a wedding dress. Hope this clears it up for you Green. Personally speaking, I think this wacky kook would be better off going home and spend his time alone shagging sheep high up in the Scottish highlands, and remain there to live out his remaining years instead of wasting our courts time. Our courts have better things to do, let this froot loop waste a Scottish courts time instead. Norrie is gender neutral, not male. Time for marriage to represent the diverse nature of Australian society. Time to define marriage as between two adults ... the same marriage right our head of state has.

Norrie was born a male.
He's a male.
He can have his body mutilated all he likes.
He still will be a male.
Off to the Scottish Highlands for some sheep husbandry for Norrie.
And take his stupid law suit with him and go bother his own people with it.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:18pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 5:19pm: ____ wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female. The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex. Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female. In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked. Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female. Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options. But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned. It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose. But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong. The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case. The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation. Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie. The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically. The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option. However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports. The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902 Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners? Norrie is a male whether he choses to accept this reality or not, and is free to marry any adult female of the human species on the planet irrespective of race or religion with the exception of any close relatives or married female humans, and can only be married to one female human at one time. And if he does marry, he needs to wear long pants and not a wedding dress. Hope this clears it up for you Green. Personally speaking, I think this wacky kook would be better off going home and spend his time alone shagging sheep high up in the Scottish highlands, and remain there to live out his remaining years instead of wasting our courts time. Our courts have better things to do, let this froot loop waste a Scottish courts time instead. Norrie is gender neutral, not male. Time for marriage to represent the diverse nature of Australian society. Time to define marriage as between two adults ... the same marriage right our head of state has. Norrie was born a male. He's a male. He can have his body mutilated all he likes. He still will be a male. Off to the Scottish Highlands for some sheep husbandry for Norrie. And take his stupid law suit with him and go bother his own people with it.

High Court disagrees with you.
Norrie is officially gender neutral

Marriage equality for Gender Neutral Australians.

____ wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Marriage equality for Gender Neutral Australians.

What does that mean? They should marry other neuters but not men or women?


What about non-Australians? ARe you racist?

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:31pm: Marriage equality for Gender Neutral Australians. What does that mean? They should marry other neuters but not men or women? What about non-Australians? ARe you racist?

The current marriage act disallows gender neutral people  from marrying. That is not acceptable to many Australians.

Time for marriage equality.

____ wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:22pm: ____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:18pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 5:19pm: ____ wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female. The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex. Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female. In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked. Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female. Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options. But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned. It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose. But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong. The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case. The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation. Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie. The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically. The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option. However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports. The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902 Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners? Norrie is a male whether he choses to accept this reality or not, and is free to marry any adult female of the human species on the planet irrespective of race or religion with the exception of any close relatives or married female humans, and can only be married to one female human at one time. And if he does marry, he needs to wear long pants and not a wedding dress. Hope this clears it up for you Green. Personally speaking, I think this wacky kook would be better off going home and spend his time alone shagging sheep high up in the Scottish highlands, and remain there to live out his remaining years instead of wasting our courts time. Our courts have better things to do, let this froot loop waste a Scottish courts time instead. Norrie is gender neutral, not male. Time for marriage to represent the diverse nature of Australian society. Time to define marriage as between two adults ... the same marriage right our head of state has. Norrie was born a male. He's a male. He can have his body mutilated all he likes. He still will be a male. Off to the Scottish Highlands for some sheep husbandry for Norrie. And take his stupid law suit with him and go bother his own people with it. High Court disagrees with you. Norrie is officially gender neutral Marriage equality for Gender Neutral Australians.

He may well have been declared an 'it'.
Which means he can only marry another 'it'.
How about Cousin Itt?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:40pm:

____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:31pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:22pm: ____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:18pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 5:19pm: ____ wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female. The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex. Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female. In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked. Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female. Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options. But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned. It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose. But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong. The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case. The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation. Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie. The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically. The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option. However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports. The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902 Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners? Norrie is a male whether he choses to accept this reality or not, and is free to marry any adult female of the human species on the planet irrespective of race or religion with the exception of any close relatives or married female humans, and can only be married to one female human at one time. And if he does marry, he needs to wear long pants and not a wedding dress. Hope this clears it up for you Green. Personally speaking, I think this wacky kook would be better off going home and spend his time alone shagging sheep high up in the Scottish highlands, and remain there to live out his remaining years instead of wasting our courts time. Our courts have better things to do, let this froot loop waste a Scottish courts time instead. Norrie is gender neutral, not male. Time for marriage to represent the diverse nature of Australian society. Time to define marriage as between two adults ... the same marriage right our head of state has. Norrie was born a male. He's a male. He can have his body mutilated all he likes. He still will be a male. Off to the Scottish Highlands for some sheep husbandry for Norrie. And take his stupid law suit with him and go bother his own people with it. High Court disagrees with you. Norrie is officially gender neutral Marriage equality for Gender Neutral Australians. He may well have been declared an 'it'. Which means he can only marry another 'it'. How about Cousin Itt?

So you now support same sex marriage.

Congrats on your quantum leap.

____ wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

So you now support same sex marriage.

Oh? Same sex is now the same as no sex? Two no-sex beings should be able to marry as two sexual beings.

Gay marriage was always a slippery slope tactic.


And what's 'adult' about a man insisting on being neither a man nor a woman.  He is simultaneously a misogynist and a misandrist.  A misanthrope. Or simply maladjusted.

God forbid that this sort of thing be called a psychiatric illness. Oh no. Fidgety kid, yes. Drug them.
Men like Norrie - normal. I blame you, Greens.

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:55pm:

____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:44pm: So you now support same sex marriage. Oh? Same sex is now the same as no sex? Two no-sex beings should be able to marry as two sexual beings. Gay marriage was always a slippery slope tactic. And what's 'adult' about a man insisting on being neither a man nor a woman.

If two gender neutral people are to marry, then two same sex people can too by your logic.
Also gender neutral does not make a person non sexual.

And to repeat, the High Court disagrees with you, Norrie is gender neutral.

____ wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:40pm: ____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:31pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:22pm: ____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:18pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 5:19pm: ____ wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: High Court to rule on Norrie's fight for gender-neutral recognition The High Court will rule today on whether New South Wales law recognises genders other than male or female. The case was sparked by an application from Sydney resident Norrie who wants to be registered as of non-specific sex. Norrie was born a male in Scotland and underwent gender reassignment surgery in 1989, and now identifies as neither male nor female. In 2010, Norrie applied for a name change and to be registered as being of non-specific sex. The NSW Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages agreed at first, but then the decision was revoked. Norrie was told it was beyond the power of the law to recognise options other than male or female. Norrie challenged the decision and last year the NSW Court of Appeal found the existing law could recognise additional options. But the registrar went to the High Court in a bid to have that decision overturned. It told the High Court the law limits registration to male or female and Norrie must choose. But Norrie's lawyers told the court, that would maintain a fiction and assign Norrie to a sex to which Norrie does not belong. The High Court has also allowed the group A Gender Agenda to make submissions in the case. The group is concerned Norrie’s case is too narrow, and has warned the court to consider the language it uses in its decision carefully so any change to the law would not cut out others affected by the situation. Lawyers for the group say ‘unspecified’ or ‘not stated’ would be preferable terms to those put forward by Norrie. The High Court has heard the category should be available to a wide range of people from those who identify themselves differently to others affected biologically. The ACT recently passed a new law recognising a category other than male or female, and is the only jurisdiction to legally recognise a third option. However Commonwealth guidelines do recognise a third category, including on passports. The case is being watched carefully by the other states which could be affected by the decision. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-02/high-court-to-rule-on-norrie-gender-neutral-fight/5360902 Should gender neutral Australians be able to marry male or female partners? Norrie is a male whether he choses to accept this reality or not, and is free to marry any adult female of the human species on the planet irrespective of race or religion with the exception of any close relatives or married female humans, and can only be married to one female human at one time. And if he does marry, he needs to wear long pants and not a wedding dress. Hope this clears it up for you Green. Personally speaking, I think this wacky kook would be better off going home and spend his time alone shagging sheep high up in the Scottish highlands, and remain there to live out his remaining years instead of wasting our courts time. Our courts have better things to do, let this froot loop waste a Scottish courts time instead. Norrie is gender neutral, not male. Time for marriage to represent the diverse nature of Australian society. Time to define marriage as between two adults ... the same marriage right our head of state has. Norrie was born a male. He's a male. He can have his body mutilated all he likes. He still will be a male. Off to the Scottish Highlands for some sheep husbandry for Norrie. And take his stupid law suit with him and go bother his own people with it. High Court disagrees with you. Norrie is officially gender neutral Marriage equality for Gender Neutral Australians. He may well have been declared an 'it'. Which means he can only marry another 'it'. How about Cousin Itt? So you now support same sex marriage. Congrats on your quantum leap.

No, but I could easily be convinced as to why the kook should be deported back to whence he came from.
We have enough oddball weirdo's in this country without importing them.

This all seems to me to be about some hiddener gender...

____ wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

Norrie is gender neutral, not male. Time for marriage to represent the diverse nature of Australian society. Time to define marriage as between two adults ... the same marriage right our head of state has.

I've just been rereading the original post, and it seems that Norrie was only seeking to register a change of name, and the dispute revolved around what sex was to be stated on the certificate.

The outcome of this court case would have to be largely irrelevant to the issues surrounding same sex marriages.

What would the marriage vows say? "I now pronounce you it and it. You may kiss your it"...

____ wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:55pm: ____ wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:44pm: So you now support same sex marriage. Oh? Same sex is now the same as no sex? Two no-sex beings should be able to marry as two sexual beings. Gay marriage was always a slippery slope tactic. And what's 'adult' about a man insisting on being neither a man nor a woman. If two gender neutral people are to marry, then two same sex people can too by your logic. Also gender neutral does not make a person non sexual. And to repeat, the High Court disagrees with you, Norrie is gender neutral.

So sex actually doesn't matter for marriage?
You can marry your aunt or brother or mum. Marriage equality, innit.
As long as it's two adults, any differentiation is treated as horrible oppression by the hetero-normative white anglo-saxon oppressors, yes?

Now all it needs, is to find someone thirsty enough to put a ring on its grotesque finger

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/05/31/4454798/th-norrie-transgender.jpg

*shudders*

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/05/31/4454798/th-norrie-transgender.jpg




Does have a pussy, then.

A Sydney University campus newspaper survey asks:
What is your gender identity?

And here are your options:
http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/gen3.png

Soren wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 3:30pm:

A Sydney University campus newspaper survey asks: What is your gender identity? And here are your options: http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/gen3.png

How many did you tick?

Soren wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 3:30pm:

A Sydney University campus newspaper survey asks: What is your gender identity? And here are your options: http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/gen3.png

Too many choices there Soren.
Which one does the bearded lady at the circus claim?

May as well do away with government-sanctioned marriage altogether. Leave it up to religious groups to marry believers.

The only reason for government-sanctioned marriage these days is to bring in your postal-order Filipino wife through immigration. Otherwise there is little need for this religious ritual to be recognised by a secular state..

____ wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 5:10pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 3:30pm: A Sydney University campus newspaper survey asks: What is your gender identity? And here are your options: http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/gen3.png How many did you tick?

I can see you are bewildered because 'gay fapper' wasn't an option.

Sexual identity -what a marvellous marketplace for the late capitalist, decadent consumers who have all their solar panels, designer recycling bins and composts sorted. Now for self-branding for sexual identity.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:51am:

I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point.

Really?

And your psychiatric qualifications are???

This is about individual choice. I thought conservatives supported that.

The Court made a decision. Why the registrar should challenge it is interesting.

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 5:09am:

This is about individual choice.

It's about consumer capitalist choice-fantasy and self-idolising narcissism gone mad. These people are running riot in the 'market place' of self-realisation. Very infantile, anally retentive.


Cheers,

Intransi Gent

IT still has the DNA of a man and will always be a man

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 8:51am:

I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point.

I've always said anyone who says this needs mental health themselves. This just proves my point.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 8:51am: I've always said homosexuality is a mental health issue that needs to be address. this just proves my point. I've always said anyone who says this needs mental health themselves. This just proves my point.

And, to add insult to bloody ripper's injury, homosexuality isn't even mentioned in the story.

There's no mention of his/her sexual preference.

Elsewhere in the news:


Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July
Doll, Kitten and Brynn all from Massachusetts, married last August
Kitten, 27, had IVF using sperm donor and is expecting daughter in July


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl4lG0f7


They want one IVF kid each.

A lesbian threeple - who said anything about slippery slope?

Soren wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Elsewhere in the news: Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July Doll, Kitten and Brynn all from Massachusetts, married last August Kitten, 27, had IVF using sperm donor and is expecting daughter in July Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl4lG0f7 They want one IVF kid each. A lesbian threeple - who said anything about slippery slope?

Who said anything about slippery slopes being bad?


http://www.carnivalland.com.au/imagespage/superslide2.jpg

Soren wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Elsewhere in the news: Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July Doll, Kitten and Brynn all from Massachusetts, married last August Kitten, 27, had IVF using sperm donor and is expecting daughter in July Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl4lG0f7 They want one IVF kid each. A lesbian threeple - who said anything about slippery slope?

Read the actual article. They aren't legally married to one another. Two of them are married and another is "handfasted" to both of them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:26am:

Soren wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:18am: Elsewhere in the news: Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July Doll, Kitten and Brynn all from Massachusetts, married last August Kitten, 27, had IVF using sperm donor and is expecting daughter in July Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl4lG0f7 They want one IVF kid each. A lesbian threeple - who said anything about slippery slope? Who said anything about slippery slopes being bad?

http://www.carnivalland.com.au/imagespage/superslide2.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tCu0JkN9nc

Does it take it, to be a pair of its?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

Soren wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:18am: Elsewhere in the news: Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July Doll, Kitten and Brynn all from Massachusetts, married last August Kitten, 27, had IVF using sperm donor and is expecting daughter in July Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl4lG0f7 They want one IVF kid each. A lesbian threeple - who said anything about slippery slope? Read the actual article. They aren't legally married to one another. Two of them are married and another is "handfasted" to both of them.

Give it time...

If gays can marry, what's so special about 2 people. Why does marriage have to be restricted so? What if 3 gals love each other very much? Or 7 and their 4 boyfriends?  Maths is a manifestation of white privilege anyway.

Soren wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:31am: Soren wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:18am: Elsewhere in the news: Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July Doll, Kitten and Brynn all from Massachusetts, married last August Kitten, 27, had IVF using sperm donor and is expecting daughter in July Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl4lG0f7 They want one IVF kid each. A lesbian threeple - who said anything about slippery slope? Read the actual article. They aren't legally married to one another. Two of them are married and another is "handfasted" to both of them. Give it time... If gays can marry, what's so special about 2 people. Why does marriage have to be restricted so? What if 3 gals love each other very much? Or 7 and their 4 boyfriends?  Maths is a manifestation of white privilege anyway.

Yes why not, if 11 consenting people are stupid enough to do that why not.

Soren wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:31am: Soren wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:18am: Elsewhere in the news: Here comes the bride. And another one. And another one! Meet world's first married lesbian THREESOME . . . and they're expecting a baby due in July Doll, Kitten and Brynn all from Massachusetts, married last August Kitten, 27, had IVF using sperm donor and is expecting daughter in July Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html#ixzz2zl4lG0f7 They want one IVF kid each. A lesbian threeple - who said anything about slippery slope? Read the actual article. They aren't legally married to one another. Two of them are married and another is "handfasted" to both of them. Give it time... If gays can marry, what's so special about 2 people. Why does marriage have to be restricted so? What if 3 gals love each other very much? Or 7 and their 4 boyfriends?  Maths is a manifestation of white privilege anyway.

I don't have an issue with that.

However, if others do, they can cross that bridge when (and if) they get to it.

No problems.

This strand about a non-issue is about as long-lived as the one about Jesus in history......

All manifestations of stupidity such as same sex marriage, IVF for lesbians etc, are a reflection of a privileged and cosseted society - soon to be a civilisation gone with the wind... if not the mind...

IVF is meant for people who cannot conceive naturally - not for people who choose not to, and has become a Frankenstinian monster in the hands of 'legislators' and 'judges'.

'Gay Marriage' is just two words strung end to end to seek to create something out of thin air, same as 'marriage equality'.

Now - if they were to say they were simply seeking marriage, and not 'gay' or 'same sex' marriage.. that might be a different kettle of fishy stories.