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Baddags About 2 dozen Iraqi women demonstrated on saturday in Baghdad against a draft law approved by Iraqi cabinet that would permit the marriage of nine year old girls and automatically give child custody to fathers. We believe this is a crime against humanity, said Hanaa Eduar, a prominent Iraqi human rights activist, it would deprive a girl of her right to live a normal childhood. The legislation goes to the heart of divisions in Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, as shiite Islamists have come to lead the government and look to impose their religious values on society at large. It describes girls as reaching puberty at nine, making them fit for marriage, makes the father the sole guardian of his children at 2 and condones a husband's right to insist on sexual intercourse with his wife whenever he wishes. news.yahoo.com/iraqi-women-protest-against-proposed-islamic-law-iraq-180932752.html

Gandalf- Do you think the Iraqi government will take notice of 2 dozen protestors?

The Saudis and Yemeni people do the same thing so it cannot be a shiite thing can it?

[Mod edit: subject title modified as it currently is only a draft bill]

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

The Saudis and Yemeni people do the same thing

Actually no, the Saudis and Yemenis currently have no age restriction. This draft bill restricts age to 9 and over.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

it cannot be a shiite thing can it?

Apparently it is:


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The legislation is referred to as the Ja'afari Law, named after the sixth Shi'ite imam Ja'afar al-Sadiq, who founded his own school of jurisprudence.

also:


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It must now be reviewed by parliament, but the draft could very well languish, with national elections scheduled for April 30, and vocal opposition among secularists.

This particular bill has been pushed since 2003, and repeatedly rejected. There are powerful secular opposing forces in Iraq - and no, I don't mean those two dozen women protesters - so there's a good chance that this will fail to pass through parliament - again.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 10:54pm: The Saudis and Yemeni people do the same thing Actually no, the Saudis and Yemenis currently have no age restriction. This draft bill restricts age to 9 and over.

Which in itself, its absolutely utterly scandalous.

Baron,

This draft law in Iraq, sounds very similar to what Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood had planned in Egypt too ?

If they bleed, they can marry         [...i.e. as soon as a young girl begins to bleed, she can lawfully marry a moslem man of any age].





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Egypt fears for girls, marriage laws in new constitution 3 December 2012 ......“It is permissible for the girl at the age of 9 or 10 to marry,” Yassir Barhami said in discussing a woman’s sexual reproduction and his interpretation of Islam during a September interview. The Salafist preacher claimed that under Islam when a girl begins to ovulate she is ready for marriage. He added during a television debate on Dream TV that “marriage of a girl would not be a supplement for education,” but added that it “was better” to marry a girl young “than falling into sin with customary marriage.” He is a member of the constituent assembly that was tasked with drafting the constitution. The cleric cited the Qur’an in arguing that any girl who is menstruating should be married and begin having children.

http://ecwronline.org/blog/2012/12/03/egypt-fears-for-girls-marriage-laws-in-new-constitution/

Islamic pedophiles.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

Islamic pedophiles.

Hang em, I say.

Amazing what democracy did to Iraq.

The benefits that America brought to Iraq=zero

A Muslim wife complains to her husband that all the romance had gone out of their marriage.

"Remember when you used to carry me up to bed?" she asked.
Yeah," he replied, "But be fair, you were only eleven at the time!” 

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 10:54pm: it cannot be a shiite thing can it? Apparently it is: Quote: The legislation is referred to as the Ja'afari Law, named after the sixth Shi'ite imam Ja'afar al-Sadiq, who founded his own school of jurisprudence.

It sounds very similar to what Abu said, and he described himself as mainstream Sunni. He also supported the sex on demand bit and also I think the father getting automatic custody. The main difference is that he saw actual onset of puberty as where you draw the line, rather than 9 years of age. Not sure how that distinction would work in practice.

Gandalf, how does this fit in with your claim that the majority of Muslims around the world oppose child marriage?

What is the current age of consent?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:35pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 11:09pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 10:54pm: it cannot be a shiite thing can it? Apparently it is: Quote: The legislation is referred to as the Ja'afari Law, named after the sixth Shi'ite imam Ja'afar al-Sadiq, who founded his own school of jurisprudence. It sounds very similar to what Abu said, and he described himself as mainstream Sunni. He also supported the sex on demand bit and also I think the father getting automatic custody. The main difference is that he saw actual onset of puberty as where you draw the line, rather than 9 years of age. Not sure how that distinction would work in practice. Gandalf, how does this fit in with your claim that the majority of Muslims around the world oppose child marriage? What is the current age of consent?

Yes, Gandalf, kindly justify remarks you didn't make about what the majority of Muslims around the world might or might not think.

And remind FD what the age of consent is in every country the dastardly Muselman lives in.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:35pm:

Gandalf, how does this fit in with your claim that the majority of Muslims around the world oppose child marriage?

What is "this" - Abu's alleged claim?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2014 at 12:35pm: Gandalf, how does this fit in with your claim that the majority of Muslims around the world oppose child marriage? What is "this" - Abu's alleged claim?

Who is this Abu character I hear on this forum?

wally1 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Who is this Abu character I hear on this forum?

FD's favourite source for all things islamic (as long as they are incriminating).

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2014 at 12:35pm: Gandalf, how does this fit in with your claim that the majority of Muslims around the world oppose child marriage? What is "this" - Abu's alleged claim?

You people are all the same, G.

You all follow the same moon god, pray to a big black stone, and are brainwashed to obey your prophet leader.

Don't deny it.

You are forced to obey your religious bosses without question. If they tell you to assasinate someone, rape a child or blow yourself up, you have to do it. You are trained to follow their instructions to the letter.

Don't get tricky with us, Moslem. We know what's going on. We have Adamant, Y, FD and the old boy all exposing how dastardly you are.

You can't escape us, you know.

Well done Gandalf Islamization of the Islam board at its best.

I salute you HIEL HITLER MINE FUHRER.

Ever heard of this bloke  Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini.

Carry on fascist!  SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL and on ad nauseam

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Yes, Gandalf, kindly justify remarks you didn't make about what the majority of Muslims around the world might or might not think.

He made them karnal.


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What is "this" - Abu's alleged claim?

The OP.


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Who is this Abu character I hear on this forum?

Gandalf recently took over as moderator of this board from Abu. He is a Sunni Muslim.

I literally have no idea what adamant is ranting about.


freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

The OP.

Well, it does nothing to refute the claim that most muslims oppose child marriage.  Keeping in mind this law has been failing to get through the parliament for over 10 years, and its likely this latest effort will also fail. The report notes powerful secular opposition to the laws - and since they have so far succeeded in blocking a 10 year campaign, its pretty clear that they are indeed quite powerful. One could conclude from this that the forces attempting to push this law through represent a minority of Iraqis, and the secular forces blocking it represent the majority. Or in other words, a microcosm of the exact claim you attribute to me.

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Well, it does nothing to refute the claim that most muslims oppose child marriage.  Keeping in mind this law has been failing to get through the parliament for over 10 years, and its likely this latest effort will also fail.

So what is the current age of consent?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Quote: Yes, Gandalf, kindly justify remarks you didn't make about what the majority of Muslims around the world might or might not think. He made them karnal.

Did he?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Quote: Well, it does nothing to refute the claim that most muslims oppose child marriage.  Keeping in mind this law has been failing to get through the parliament for over 10 years, and its likely this latest effort will also fail. So what is the current age of consent?

What is it?

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Quote: Well, it does nothing to refute the claim that most muslims oppose child marriage.  Keeping in mind this law has been failing to get through the parliament for over 10 years, and its likely this latest effort will also fail. So what is the current age of consent?

where? In Iraq? I believe its 18.

I think that's more than here. Odd that they would push for such a drastic change.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

I literally have no idea what adamant is ranting about. freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2014 at 6:52pm: The OP. Well, it does nothing to refute the claim that most muslims oppose child marriage.  Keeping in mind this law has been failing to get through the parliament for over 10 years, and its likely this latest effort will also fail. The report notes powerful secular opposition to the laws - and since they have so far succeeded in blocking a 10 year campaign, its pretty clear that they are indeed quite powerful. One could conclude from this that the forces attempting to push this law through represent a minority of Iraqis, and the secular forces blocking it represent the majority. Or in other words, a microcosm of the exact claim you attribute to me.

It was probably human rights groups and the Americans telling the Iraqis that child marriage is not on, muslims claim it is a puppet government so what do you expect from their masters.

Ayatollah Khomeni reduced the age for girls to get married after the Islamic revolution, The Taliban also brought back child marriage when they ruled Afghanistan.

We have Iran-Afghanistan (Taliban)-Iraq all reducing or wanting to reduce the age of marriage for children and all ruled by bearded nutjobs.
If you read the link it the OP it says the law was approved by parliament.

The secular opposition is not powerful, i suggest you look up the definition of secularism in a dictionary instead of listening to your Imam's definition of it.

Atheism is growing in Iraq, they are ditching their belief in the bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit.
Atheists would object to old fashioned religious laws from dusty old books from the dark ages.

https://www.google.com.au/#q=iraqi+atheist

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

Atheism is growing in Iraq, they are ditching their belief in the bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit.

This is a worldwide trend, not exclusive to Iraq.  Atheism and non-religion have more followers than every religion except Christianity and Islam.

Stratos wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 12:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:21pm: Atheism is growing in Iraq, they are ditching their belief in the bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit. This is a worldwide trend, not exclusive to Iraq.  Atheism and non-religion have more followers than every religion except Christianity and Islam.

And China’s the next cab off the rank to take up the cross.

There’s a fair few Hindus though - probably a quarter of the world are Hindu. They’re sort of atheists who are obsessed with God.

A bit like Pentacostals in China.

Mind you, in India, even the atheists believe in God.

Stratos wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 12:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:21pm: Atheism is growing in Iraq, they are ditching their belief in the bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit. This is a worldwide trend, not exclusive to Iraq.  Atheism and non-religion have more followers than every religion except Christianity and Islam.

Sources please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adamant wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Sources please!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

But then you could have discovered that for yourself in the time it took to type all those exclamation marks

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

It was probably human rights groups and the Americans telling the Iraqis that child marriage is not on

Yeah probably.  ::)

Definitely not anything to do with the long tradition of secularism in Iraq that the islamists still have failed to root out of the population.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:21pm: It was probably human rights groups and the Americans telling the Iraqis that child marriage is not on Yeah probably.  ::) Definitely not anything to do with the long tradition of secularism in Iraq that the islamists still have failed to root out of the population.

And of course, needless to say, Mohammed's example has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' when it comes to drafting marriage laws allowing 9 year olds to be married off.

Nuffin', never ever.  Mohammed? Who he?

Of course it does S. You're barking up the wrong tree.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Of course it does S. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Do you have proof that they are motivated by Islam?

As a matter of fact FD, I do. See if you read article in the OP, you'd know that this draft law is based on a well known shia law that is rooted in the islamic legal code of one of shia islam's preeminent  imams.

Or in other words, about as religiously motivated as you can get.

Those Middle East countries truly are barbaric in their practises.

About the ONLY morally decent country run in that region is the State of Israel.

That says something doesn't it?

A law allowing 9 year olds to marry. Fricken heathens.

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As a matter of fact FD, I do. See if you read article in the OP, you'd know that this draft law is based on a well known shia law that is rooted in the islamic legal code of one of shia islam's preeminent  imams.

Ah yes. And this differs from the mainstream sunni one that if there is grass on the wicket, it's time to play cricket?


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Or in other words, about as religiously motivated as you can get.

So it is because they are Muslims, not because they are pedophiles? Does Islam actually cause them to be pedophiles, or is it the other way round?

Stratos wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:

Adamant wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:50pm: Sources please! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups But then you could have discovered that for yourself in the time it took to type all those exclamation marks

Its called plagiarism Gandalf wanted proof now he has it.

He also wants proof copyright, all I have to do is wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FFS adamant, I couldn't give a flying toss about "plagiarism" from internet sites, if it can even be called that.

Take it up with FD. I'm sure he won't care either.

What is wrong with you - seriously!

Adamant wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 12:17am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:21pm: Atheism is growing in Iraq, they are ditching their belief in the bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit. This is a worldwide trend, not exclusive to Iraq.  Atheism and non-religion have more followers than every religion except Christianity and Islam. Sources please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL this is plagiarism - apparently.

Get a life adamant.

freediver wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

Does Islam actually cause them to be pedophiles, or is it the other way round?

Seems you have more incites about that than me. Why don't you regale us all once again with Abu's story of sex offending inmates naturally converting to islam.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Of course it does S. You're barking up the wrong tree.

That's just too fvckn slippery and evasive for my kuffr mind, Gandy.

I know there is a whole science of Islamic evasion and double talk and nudge-fvckn-nudge-what-did-the-prophet-mean-by-that but I am not really interested in it.

errr. so what you're saying Soren, is that you prefer I didn't give you a simple, straight answer (like I did just then), so that you can ridicule me for being evasive and cryptic?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:39pm: Does Islam actually cause them to be pedophiles, or is it the other way round? Seems you have more incites about that than me. Why don't you regale us all once again with Abu's story of sex offending inmates naturally converting to islam.

Here's proof I didn't learn everything about Islam from Abu:


Malik Shakur wrote on Jun 30^th, 2008 at 10:58am:

Many people become Muslim in prison, I agree with that. Indigenous Australians tend identify with Islam because of the social justice element as their land was stolen from them. We however really crack down and don't allow people who are extremists or even thought to be extremists to enter the prison system here in Victoria. They have tried but we're quickly kicked out. We work very closely with Corrections Victoria and police on these issues.

And from Abu:


abu_rashid wrote on Feb 1^st, 2009 at 8:13pm:

Calanen, Re-read the article again, 30% of the Supermax division of Goulburn Gaol, which houses 34 prisoners. So all you've really told us is that about 11 prisoners are Muslims, some of them converts, ie. people who've seen the light and embraced religion whilst serving time. Funny that when they see the light and embrace Christianity, we see it as a step forward, and they're finally turning over a new leaf.

More reasons from Abu on why there are so many Muslims in our jails:


abu_rashid wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 1:05pm: Quote: Several Muslims have not only been arrested but convicted and given lengthy gaol terms just for such things. In Australia? Merely for criticising the government's foreign policy? Can you give examples? Pretty much every single Muslim charged with "terrorism" offences has merely been a critic of the government and its policies. They have not actually been convicted of committing any act whatsoever, they merely thought or expressed ideas. Yet you think you live in a system that has unlimited political freedom. You're a dreamer. freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 1:05pm: [quote]And what great crime exactly did they commit? How many people did they harm? Or perhaps they thought about such a thing right??? But Australia doesn't prosecute for thought crimes, no no no. fd, do you not see the linkage between this point and the previous one? They did not merely think about committing terrorism. They actually started preparing an attack. None of this has anything to do with what you are allowed to say about the government.

Which of them actually prepared an attack? Some of them were convicted merely for asking what the Islamic ruling is on committing such acts. This was twisted into "seeking a fatwa to carry out the act", and then bang, half their life wasted in prison.... but never mind, we live in a country of unlimited political freedom, back to your little dreamworld fd. Nevermind the reality, keep ignoring it.[/quote]


abu_rashid wrote on Jun 30^th, 2008 at 3:44am:

Either way, it's got nothing to do with rape, rape is a crime which Islam has absolutely no tolerance for, and has legislated should be punished with the most severe punishments. In Australian society, the punishment is generally nothing more than a few years in gaol, unless you're unlucky enough to be of middle eastern descent and get caught up in media sensationalism, in which case you could be looking at about ten times the average sentence... Justice indeed.

Makes me wonder where Abu is these days.

whats that FD? No mention of sex offending inmates being the star recruits to islam?

Shurely shome mishtake

I did not attribute that bit to Abu. In hindsight, I should have added terrorists to the list. Islam is very popular among Australians in jail on terrorism charges.

freediver wrote on Mar 16^th, 2014 at 9:30pm:

I did not attribute that bit to Abu.

Ah thats right, you just made that up. My bad.

Are you suggesting Islam would not be more appealing than other religions to pedophiles, thieves and murderers?

Of course not FD - its been mentioned now, therefore its now irrefutable fact. Better put it in your wiki:

Islam has been proven to be more appealing than other religions to pedophiles, thieves and murderers [footnote to post where FD made up the claim]

Its interesting though isn't it? Recently you mentioned you started the anti-muslim campaign because you got sick of all the BS claims muslims make. Its interesting because this rabidly islamophobic statement you made here does not seem to be prompted by anything any muslims here said.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

Its interesting though isn't it? Recently you mentioned you started the anti-muslim campaign because you got sick of all the BS claims muslims make. Its interesting because this rabidly islamophobic statement you made here does not seem to be prompted by anything any muslims here said.

No no, they meant to say it. This is what FD is getting at.

Ah.

Of course.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

Ah. Of course.

That's why he keeps the Wiki. To capture their words for all eternity, and then reinterpret them at a later date.

Funny how FD's not religious.

Gud is great, no?

It's easy to see the difficulty. To outlaw marriage before 9 years old, would be to outlaw Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, at 6 years old:

(7) Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.  (Book #58, Hadith #236)

(8) Narrated 'aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).  (Book #62, Hadith #64)

Regarding sex, of course there's always mufa’khathat:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1390658615