Spain now has its own 'Palestinian' ['we want our land back!!'] problem.



'When will the persecution and discrimination against us moslems ever end!!!!!'        :P

Muslims Demand "Right of Return" to Spain
by Soeren Kern
February 21, 2014 at 12:15 am
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4183/muslim-right-of-return-spain

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Muslim groups are demanding Spanish citizenship for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages. The growing clamor for "historical justice" comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

Q.
Does this mean that poor Moroccan moslems want to, and will seek to, move to Spain, ....en masse ?

You know that is only right.       :P

well done spain.

Maybe all those jews in Israel and palestine can piss off back to spain.

Reminds me a bit of Abu. Except he insisted it was inevitable the Muslims would reconquer Spain. I guess they need to ask first so they can say afterwards it was an act of self-defense.

Yadda wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Spain now has its own 'Palestinian' ['we want our land back!!'] problem. 'When will the persecution and discrimination against us moslems ever end!!!!!'        :P Muslims Demand "Right of Return" to Spain by Soeren Kern February 21, 2014 at 12:15 am http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4183/muslim-right-of-return-spain Quote: Muslim groups are demanding Spanish citizenship for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages. The growing clamor for "historical justice" comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances. Q. Does this mean that poor Moroccan moslems want to, and will seek to, move to Spain, ....en masse ? You know that is only right.       :P

Isn’t this exactly the same argument for the Jewish "homeland", Y?

I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after.

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:24pm:

I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after.

True, FD, but Y prefers the Jews were there first argument. Oh, and the international law precedent that it was decreed by Gud.

It's Mabo.

It's the vibe

FD wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:11pm: Spain now has its own 'Palestinian' ['we want our land back!!'] problem. 'When will the persecution and discrimination against us moslems ever end!!!!!'        :P Muslims Demand "Right of Return" to Spain by Soeren Kern February 21, 2014 at 12:15 am http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4183/muslim-right-of-return-spain Quote: Muslim groups are demanding Spanish citizenship for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages. The growing clamor for "historical justice" comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances. Q. Does this mean that poor Moroccan moslems want to, and will seek to, move to Spain, ....en masse ? You know that is only right.       :P Isn’t this exactly the same argument for the Jewish "homeland", Y?

Of course it is.            :P

Spain should concede, and allow all North African emigre moslems to 'return'.

And if Spain refuse, the EU should impose sanctions upon Spain.

And the EU could establish North African moslem refugee camps in all of the EU countries bordering Spain.



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WINNING JUSTICE FOR THE NORTH AFRICAN FOR THE SPANISH MOSLEM PEOPLE!

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The growing clamor for "historical justice" comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.

ٍSo why not muslims too?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Quote: The growing clamor for "historical justice" comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. So why not muslims too?

gandalf,

Arguments, from both sides, are explored in the article.

Have a read.

Shortest answer I’ve read from Y yet.

Amost as short as the response to my questions about becoming a Karmic Khristian..

FD wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Shortest answer I’ve read from Y yet. Amost as short as the response to my questions about becoming a Karmic Khristian..

You don't really believe that God won't forgive the wicked, do you, K ?

God loves everyone, K.          :P



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Joel 3:9
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10  Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11  Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12  Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13  Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.



Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.



Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49  So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50  And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14  And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15  And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16  And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17  And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18  And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19  And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Now now, Y, none of that talk about beating ploughshares into swords and slaying infidels. That’s forbidden, remember?

wally1 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:45pm:

well done spain. Maybe all those jews in Israel and palestine can piss off back to spain.

1Jo 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

FD wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Now now, Y, none of that talk about beating ploughshares into swords and slaying infidels. That’s forbidden, remember?

Moslems with swords ?

But it wouldn't be a worry for you, K.

The moslems at the end of your street are singing, 'Kumbaya, My Lord', ....correct ?

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:24pm:

I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after.

That was just the culmination of 2500 years of murder and persecution of Jews, while being scattered among Gentile nations. The Romans massacred over a million Jews in the 1st century, and the pagan Emperor Hadrian (who invented the term "Palestine") killed another half to 3/4 of a million Jews again in the 2nd century. Murder and persecution of Yahweh's people goes all the way back to the Babylonian captivity.

Israel has been their homeland ever since Yahweh granted it to the seed of Isaac through and everlasting covenant, as an everlasting possession.
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/

Jews ruling and reigning in Israel again, their power over their land restored in 1948 and their city in 1967, as prophesied by Daniel right to the year, through two parallel math problems that span 2500 years:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 2:24pm: I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after. That was just the culmination of 2500 years of murder and persecution of Jews, while being scattered among Gentile nations. The Romans massacred over a million Jews in the 1st century, and the pagan Emperor Hadrian (who invented the term "Palestine") killed another half to 3/4 of a million Jews again in the 2nd century. Murder and persecution of Yahweh's people goes all the way back to the Babylonian captivity. Israel has been their homeland ever since Yahweh granted it to the seed of Isaac through and everlasting covenant, as an everlasting possession. http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/ Jews ruling and reigning in Israel again, their power over their land restored in 1948 and their city in 1967, as prophesied by Daniel right to the year, through two parallel math problems that span 2500 years: http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

".....and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."


1967 ?

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:24pm:

I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after.

No FD, the Jewish homeland argument predates Hitler by over 40 years.

It was based on several centuries of expulsions and mistreatment by almost every European country, occasionally aided by the Christian churches.

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 12:03am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 11:58pm: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 2:24pm: I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after. That was just the culmination of 2500 years of murder and persecution of Jews, while being scattered among Gentile nations. The Romans massacred over a million Jews in the 1st century, and the pagan Emperor Hadrian (who invented the term "Palestine") killed another half to 3/4 of a million Jews again in the 2nd century. Murder and persecution of Yahweh's people goes all the way back to the Babylonian captivity. Israel has been their homeland ever since Yahweh granted it to the seed of Isaac through and everlasting covenant, as an everlasting possession. http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/ Jews ruling and reigning in Israel again, their power over their land restored in 1948 and their city in 1967, as prophesied by Daniel right to the year, through two parallel math problems that span 2500 years: http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm ".....and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." 1967 ?

Just as prophesied.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/matthew_24_olivet_discourse.htm#times_gentiles

Absolutely not "just as prophesied", seeing as we have yet to see the dead rise and be judged according to the passage of scripture you decide to completely ignore because it doesn't fit.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 12:12am:

No FD, the Jewish homeland argument predates Hitler by over 40 years.

And zionist leaders were calling on the Palestinian population to be ethnically cleansed since the 19th century.

Even Lord Curzon blamed Arab unrest in the early 20th century on provocative zionist calls to take over the entire area of Palestine - and beyond:

Says Lord Curzon in 1918:


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They now talk about a Jewish State. The Arab portion of the population is well-nigh forgotten and is to be ignored. They not only claim the boundaries of the old Palestine, but they claim to spread across the Jordan into the rich countries lying to the east, and, indeed, there seems to be very small limit to the aspirations which they now form. The Zionist programme, and the energy with which it is being carried out, have not unnaturally had the consequence of arousing the keen suspicions of the Arabs

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 12:12am:

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 2:24pm: I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after. No FD, the Jewish homeland argument predates Hitler by over 40 years. It was based on several centuries of expulsions and mistreatment by almost every European country, occasionally aided by the Christian churches.

The argument has probably been around since the diaspora. That kind of misses the point though. The reason we actually have the state of Israel is because of the holocaust and the expulsion of Jews from middle eastern countries. Not many Jews would have bothered if the argument was "we need a state of Israel because of what happened to Europeans Jews in the 1700s". They took it a bit more seriously when the argument was "we need a state of Israel because Hitler killed millions of us and the Arabs are ethnically cleansing the middle east".

FD the expulsion of jews from arab countries happened after the Israeli state was created.

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:02am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 12:12am: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 2:24pm: I think the argument for the Jewish homeland was the millions of Jews slaughtered by Hitler, and the millions expelled from middle eastern countries shortly after. No FD, the Jewish homeland argument predates Hitler by over 40 years. It was based on several centuries of expulsions and mistreatment by almost every European country, occasionally aided by the Christian churches. The argument has probably been around since the diaspora. That kind of misses the point though. The reason we actually have the state of Israel is because of the holocaust and the expulsion of Jews from middle eastern countries. Not many Jews would have bothered if the argument was "we need a state of Israel because of what happened to Europeans Jews in the 1700s". They took it a bit more seriously when the argument was "we need a state of Israel because Hitler killed millions of us and the Arabs are ethnically cleansing the middle east".

Again, no. The Mandate of Palestine and the partition plan for a Jewish State and an Arab State in Palestine dated back to about 1922. The Balfour Declaration dates to 1917.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 8:12am:

FD the expulsion of jews from arab countries happened after the Israeli state was created.

Yes, but it probably would not have lasted without the "help" of the Arabs. It would certainly look very different to how it does today. You can't just keep pouring in Jews without a follow-up plan, can you?