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The decision to investigate the Australian navy’s actions in towing back asylum boats could have been an opportunity for greater transparency

The release on Wednesday of the review into the circumstances of how and why the Australian navy repeatedly entered Indonesian waters might have been expected finally to reveal information about Australia’s operations in pushing back asylum boats. The government has maintained that Operation Sovereign Borders cannot be fully disclosed because it would jeopardise national as well as operational security.

The revelations that Operation Sovereign Borders had violated Indonesia’s territorial sovereignty came despite assurances that no such incursions would occur. These concerns prompted the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service and the Acting Chief of the Defence Force to investigate:

…the facts and circumstances surrounding the entry of Australian vessels into Indonesian waters.

The decision to investigate and report on one aspect of Operation Sovereign Borders appeared to be an opportunity for greater transparency. However, despite the review of over 2200 documents for the purposes of constructing a “narrative of events”, we have learned extremely little.

The nub of the executive summary that has been publicly released is that each of the six incursions:

…arose from incorrect calculation of the boundaries of Indonesian waters rather than as a deliberate action or navigational error.

But what were the Australian vessels doing that brought them so close to Indonesia? Were they just patrolling and looking to see if any boats were leaving Indonesia with asylum seekers on board? Or were they actively towing (pushing) vessels with irregular migrants back to Indonesia?

The answers to these questions have different legal consequences for Australia.

Australian warships are allowed to enter Indonesian waters if they are merely passing through. This is the right of innocent passage that exists in the territorial sea and in archipelagic waters.

A warship violates the right of innocent passage if it undertakes activities considered by the coastal state to threaten its peace, good order and security. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), to which Australia and Indonesia are parties, sets out a range of activities that would render passage non-innocent. Among these are the unloading of persons in violation of the coastal state’s migration laws.

As Australia is acknowledging a violation of Indonesia’s sovereignty, then it may be concluded that the Australian warships were not just passing through, but undertook activities that are contrary to Indonesia’s peace, good order and security.

If Australia was towing back vessels, where were these vessels intercepted? To assess the legality of actions at sea, it is essential to know where they happen and what was going on at the time.

On the high seas, Australia may not interfere with a foreign-flagged vessel. There are very limited exceptions to this principle because the exclusive authority a flag state has over its vessel is prioritised under international law. We don’t know if the vessels Australia is intercepting are necessarily flagged to Indonesia.

If a vessel is very small and not flagged or registered to any particular state, an Australian warship could exercise the right of visit on the high seas. This right allows Australia to approach and potentially board the vessel to search it or question those onboard.

The right of visit does not necessarily allow for the arrest or detention of the vessel and its crew and passengers. At best guess, pushing back or towing back boats would seem to involve some amount of detention.

In 2012, the European Court of Human Rights held Italy liable for violating the human rights of asylum seekers who were intercepted at sea and taken to Libya. Has Australia similarly exercised “continuous and exclusive de jure and de facto control”, as the European Court found, triggering human rights obligations? If the irregular migrants were put on lifeboats and steered towards Indonesia, then presumably so.

The recommendations of the review into incursions into Indonesian waters are focused on improving the training of those Australian officials involved in Operation Sovereign Borders. This includes the need to “ensure a tactical appreciation of UNCLOS”. It is to be hoped that such an appreciation could extend beyond a better knowledge of Indonesia’s maritime boundaries.


http://theconversation.com/indonesia-incursion-report-provides-more-questions-than-answers-on-turn-backs-23456

Time to have the whiney b1tch socialist do this job and free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for.

This is a bullsh1t job and well below the dignity of the navy, time to let these enthusiastic socialist spend time away from freinds and family for weeks on end to deal with these people; and not to necessarily have an 'open door' policy either but to prevent them from killing themselves at sea and secure our borders as the government wants


That would make everyone happy, especially the bleeding heart socialist who would want to this type of work, since they complain bitterly about everone else.


Ahhh except socilaist never actually do anything but complain about everyone else and are generally too lazy or too stupid to be part of the solution. too bad a good oportunity missed

LEAVE OUR NAVY ALONE.....

YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THEY DO...

THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY.

cods wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

LEAVE OUR NAVY ALONE..... YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THEY DO... THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY.

Click here.


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Channel Ten has reported allegations that members on board HMAS Ballarat have been anally penetrated with objects including pens and water bottles as part of an initiation ritual. Defence has confirmed the Ballarat is the focus of an investigation, but will not confirm the nature of the alleged behaviour. A former Navy member who identified herself as Bridget told Channel Ten that sailors on board the ship have told her that young men are being attacked with objects including water bottles and marker pens.

If these allegations are true, then I don't like what they do.  Must I leave because of brutality in the Australian Navy?

If they are torturing people at sea, I don't like it either.

You cods?

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

cods wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:46pm: LEAVE OUR NAVY ALONE..... YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THEY DO... THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. Click here. Quote: Channel Ten has reported allegations that members on board HMAS Ballarat have been anally penetrated with objects including pens and water bottles as part of an initiation ritual. Defence has confirmed the Ballarat is the focus of an investigation, but will not confirm the nature of the alleged behaviour. A former Navy member who identified herself as Bridget told Channel Ten that sailors on board the ship have told her that young men are being attacked with objects including water bottles and marker pens. If these allegations are true, then I don't like what they do.  Must I leave because of brutality in the Australian Navy? If they are torturing people at sea, I don't like it either. You cods?

>:( >:(  Taxi driver molests disabled girl..  All taxi drivers do  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

cods wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:46pm: LEAVE OUR NAVY ALONE..... YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THEY DO... THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. Click here. Quote: Channel Ten has reported allegations that members on board HMAS Ballarat have been anally penetrated with objects including pens and water bottles as part of an initiation ritual. Defence has confirmed the Ballarat is the focus of an investigation, but will not confirm the nature of the alleged behaviour. A former Navy member who identified herself as Bridget told Channel Ten that sailors on board the ship have told her that young men are being attacked with objects including water bottles and marker pens. If these allegations are true, then I don't like what they do.  Must I leave because of brutality in the Australian Navy? If they are torturing people at sea, I don't like it either. You cods?

Torturing people at sea hey? I can see what side you are on.

Sparky wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:53pm: cods wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:46pm: LEAVE OUR NAVY ALONE..... YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THEY DO... THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. Click here. Quote: Channel Ten has reported allegations that members on board HMAS Ballarat have been anally penetrated with objects including pens and water bottles as part of an initiation ritual. Defence has confirmed the Ballarat is the focus of an investigation, but will not confirm the nature of the alleged behaviour. A former Navy member who identified herself as Bridget told Channel Ten that sailors on board the ship have told her that young men are being attacked with objects including water bottles and marker pens. If these allegations are true, then I don't like what they do.  Must I leave because of brutality in the Australian Navy? If they are torturing people at sea, I don't like it either. You cods? Torturing people at sea hey? I can see what side you are on.

Not too hard to work out.   I'm sure you are on the same side as me on those issues as well.

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

cods wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:46pm: LEAVE OUR NAVY ALONE..... YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THEY DO... THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. Click here. Quote: Channel Ten has reported allegations that members on board HMAS Ballarat have been anally penetrated with objects including pens and water bottles as part of an initiation ritual. Defence has confirmed the Ballarat is the focus of an investigation, but will not confirm the nature of the alleged behaviour. A former Navy member who identified herself as Bridget told Channel Ten that sailors on board the ship have told her that young men are being attacked with objects including water bottles and marker pens. If these allegations are true, then I don't like what they do.  Must I leave because of brutality in the Australian Navy? If they are torturing people at sea, I don't like it either. You cods?

Did you mean: taxi driver molested disabled girl





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You can't  trust TAXI DRIVERS    >:(

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:57pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:53pm: cods wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:46pm: LEAVE OUR NAVY ALONE..... YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THEY DO... THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. Click here. Quote: Channel Ten has reported allegations that members on board HMAS Ballarat have been anally penetrated with objects including pens and water bottles as part of an initiation ritual. Defence has confirmed the Ballarat is the focus of an investigation, but will not confirm the nature of the alleged behaviour. A former Navy member who identified herself as Bridget told Channel Ten that sailors on board the ship have told her that young men are being attacked with objects including water bottles and marker pens. If these allegations are true, then I don't like what they do.  Must I leave because of brutality in the Australian Navy? If they are torturing people at sea, I don't like it either. You cods? Torturing people at sea hey? I can see what side you are on. Not too hard to work out.   I'm sure you are on the same side as me on those issues as well.

I'll say this- when our sailors  get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through.

Sparky wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

I'll say this- when our sailors  get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through.

Yes, it must be terrifying for them.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg


Thank goodness they've done all that training.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:07pm: I'll say this- when our sailors  get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through. Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training.

Most boats are full of adult males. :D :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:07pm: I'll say this- when our sailors  get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through. Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training.

You're an idiot. Were you born stupid or did you get that way? Seriously, I need to know. You really think a six year-old is going to intimidate an adult member of the Navy? No wonder you halfwads just got your asses handed to you in the September election.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training.

Like I said this is not a job for the RAAF and the Navy, it is a job for loud mouthed scumbag socialist; I would be more than happy for tax dollars goimng to fund you dickheads to go out and do the job 'properly'.

But as we all know, people like yourself, don't actually do anything except used their acutely honed 20 / 20 hindsight to critisize the efforts of people actually do the sh1t work no one else wants to.


You are one of those loud mouthed idiots, your opinions like your life, are irrelevant and pointless.  >:(

I like how all you libturds try to highjack the thread by bring up everything expect what is said in the OP, including taxi drivers. Can anyone point out where taxi drivers are mention in the OP?

So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it.

Before you carry on and say the author doesn't know what she talking about here is her profile from the conversation web site



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Dr. Natalie Klein is a Professor at Macquarie Law School, Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia where she teaches and researches in different areas of international law, with a focus on law of the sea and international dispute settlement. Dr. Klein is the author of Dispute Settlement and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (Cambridge University Press, 2005) and has recently completed a manuscript for Oxford University Press, entitled Maritime Security and the Law of the Sea. She regularly provides advice, undertakes consultancies and interacts with the media on law of the sea issues. Prior to joining Macquarie, Dr. Klein worked in the international litigation and arbitration practice of Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, served as counsel to the Government of Eritrea and was a consultant in the Office of Legal Affairs at the United Nations. Her masters and doctorate in law were earned at Yale Law School.

John S wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:47am:

So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it.

Good question.


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PART VII HIGH SEAS Article95 Immunity of warships on the high seas Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State. http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm

What say you Wild One?

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:47am: So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it. Good question. Quote: PART VII HIGH SEAS Article95 Immunity of warships on the high seas Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State. http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm What say you Wild One?

You've tried that one before.  It has zero relevance.  All you have to is read it to know that.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:59am: Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training. Like I said this is not a job for the RAAF and the Navy, it is a job for loud mouthed scumbag socialist; I would be more than happy for tax dollars goimng to fund you dickheads to go out and do the job 'properly'. But as we all know, people like yourself, don't actually do anything except used their acutely honed 20 / 20 hindsight to critisize the efforts of people actually do the sh1t work no one else wants to. You are one of those loud mouthed idiots, your opinions like your life, are irrelevant and pointless.  >:(

Thanks for sharing your opinion...

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:47am: So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it. Good question. Quote: PART VII HIGH SEAS Article95 Immunity of warships on the high seas Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State. http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm What say you Wild One?

UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

AGREEMENT RELATING TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF
PART XI OF THE CONVENTION

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/closindx.htm


SUBSECTION C. RULES APPLICABLE TO WARSHIPS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT SHIPS OPERATED FOR NON-COMMERCIAL PURPOSES

•   Article 29. Definition of warships
  
•   Article 30. Non-compliance by warships with the laws and regulations of the coastal State
  
•   Article 31. Responsibility of the flag State for damage caused by a warship or other government ship operated for non-commercial purposes
  
•   Article 32. Immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes
  

in·teg·ri·ty  [in-teg-ri-tee]  Show IPA 


noun 

1.

adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.


2.

the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire. 


3.

a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull. 


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Origin: 
1400–50;  late Middle English  integrite  < Latin  integritās.  See integer, -ity


Synonyms
1. rectitude, probity, virtue. See honor.


Antonyms
1. dishonesty.



Why have I put this up here?

Well it seems to me that this word "integrity" is the key to having the honour and esteem that many claim that our Navy deserves.

Well, part of integrity is about being transparent and being above reproach. Is that our Navy? Hardly, given the history of abuse and assaults on new recruits etc etc.

The service does, at least now days, endeavour to address these situations, but, to be completely blunt, it still has a fair way to go.

Anyone who says that any of our services, forces, representative or even individuals is above being investigated for anything seriously needs a big dose of integrity because you are sadly lacking.

I realise that many will either not understand this or want to rail against it, let me just say, that of itself would speak volumes about your own integrity.

What has been done completely wrong in ALL of this, has been the lack of transparency and these repeated incursions into Indonesian waters, were, as pointed out, an opportunity for increased transparency. That opportunity was thrown on the ground and spat on, either by the Navy or by the Government. Take your pick, but either way, our Navy and our Government presently are not demonstrating having integrity. That is something that can never be taken for granted.

Aussie, sometimes the great unwashed gather outside a police station waiting to abuse some person being accused of rape or murder being taken away from court in a police van. They sing out 'hang the bastard' and 'bring back the death penalty' and if they get close enough they thump the side of the police van. The legal club steps in and condemns such action as typical of rednecks. "Let the law take its course" and "the legal system will handle the matter" are the usual things said by members of the legal club. Those calling for the death penalty will be depicted as a mob of uninformed hysterical goons.

If the Australian Navy has breached the law of the sea I'm sure the legal club will step in with its usual hubris and announce that the "law will deal with the Navy".

Stop behaving like a redneck.

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:52am:

Aussie, sometimes the great unwashed gather outside a police station waiting to abuse some person being accused of rape or murder being taken away from court in a police van. They sing out 'hang the bastard' and 'bring back the death penalty' and if they get close enough they thump the side of the police van. The legal club steps in and condemns such action as typical of rednecks. "Let the law take its course" and "the legal system will handle the matter" are the usual things said by members of the legal club. Those calling for the death penalty will be depicted as a mob of uninformed hysterical goons. If the Australian Navy has breached the law of the sea I'm sure the legal club will step in with its usual hubris and announce that the "law will deal with the Navy". Stop behaving like a redneck.

Redneck you say!  Hmmmm.  Further, the UN is investigating.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Time to have the whiney b1tch socialist do this job and free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for. This is a bullsh1t job and well below the dignity of the navy, time to let these enthusiastic socialist spend time away from freinds and family for weeks on end to deal with these people; and not to necessarily have an 'open door' policy either but to prevent them from killing themselves at sea and secure our borders as the government wants That would make everyone happy, especially the bleeding heart socialist who would want to this type of work, since they complain bitterly about everone else. Ahhh except socilaist never actually do anything but complain about everyone else and are generally too lazy or too stupid to be part of the solution. too bad a good oportunity missed

free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for.

You think that people join the navy to mistreat refugees, to deliberately breach international laws and the sovereignty of our neighbours ??

I would think they are ashamed of the political manner in which they are being used.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:59am: Sparky wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:07pm: I'll say this- when our sailors  get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through. Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training. You really think a six year-old is going to intimidate an adult member of the Navy?

"It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation"
   
         :-/

Did our Navy do the right thing

NO

Unfortunately the question is a lot easier than it should be, they were caught with their pants down..

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:47am: So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it. Good question. Quote: PART VII HIGH SEAS Article95 Immunity of warships on the high seas Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State. http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm What say you Wild One?

All that means is that the Indonesians have no jurisdiction on our naval ships ...they cannot enforce their local laws on our boats

it does not mean our ships can go into their territory whenever they wish.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:07pm: I'll say this- when our sailors  get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through. Yes, it must be terrifying for them. Thank goodness they've done all that training.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg


This was the biggest problem - it was solved with knee guards.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:59am: Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training. You are one of those loud mouthed idiots, your opinions like your life, are irrelevant and pointless.

"Changes in Behavior associated with schizophrenia ----

" ...  talking to yourself (very common sign)."

http://www.schizophrenia.com/earlysigns.htm

Sparky wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:59am: Sparky wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 2:07pm: I'll say this- when our sailors  get on these refugee boats and tell these refugees they won't be going to Australia I doubt it's all smiles and thanks. It would be an aggressive and dangerous situation. The people knocking our Navy and thinking it through. Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training. Most boats are full of adult males.

Positively terrifying.


http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/05/16/1226057/065426-boat-people.jpg

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:30am:

John S wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 6:47am: So did our navy break international law and if they did who told them to break it. Good question. Quote: PART VII HIGH SEAS Article95 Immunity of warships on the high seas Warships on the high seas have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State. http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm What say you Wild One?

Indonesian territorial waters are not the high seas?

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:21am:

salad in wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 7:52am: Aussie, sometimes the great unwashed gather outside a police station waiting to abuse some person being accused of rape or murder being taken away from court in a police van. They sing out 'hang the bastard' and 'bring back the death penalty' and if they get close enough they thump the side of the police van. The legal club steps in and condemns such action as typical of rednecks. "Let the law take its course" and "the legal system will handle the matter" are the usual things said by members of the legal club. Those calling for the death penalty will be depicted as a mob of uninformed hysterical goons. If the Australian Navy has breached the law of the sea I'm sure the legal club will step in with its usual hubris and announce that the "law will deal with the Navy". Stop behaving like a redneck. Redneck you say!  Hmmmm.  Further, the UN is investigating.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

The UN.

You'd recon there would be enough mindless atrocities, slaughter and oppression going on around the world to keep this bloated, useless pack of wankers busy.

They can start in the countries where the people feel so unsafe they have to leave.

I lament our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.....those places will never change.

Quote:

Did our Navy do the right thing

Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be.

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:04am:

Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be.

Protecting our borders from this:


http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/06/1226464/132629-sri-lankan-asylum-seekers-sit-on-the-deck-of-their-boat-stranded.jpg


Must be a difficult and terrifying job.

I wouldn't go knocking something you don't do yourself Greggorry. You probably warm an office chair.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:09am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. Protecting our borders from this: http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/06/1226464/132629-sri-lankan-asylum-seekers-sit-on-the-deck-of-their-boat-stranded.jpg Must be a difficult and terrifying job.

Gutless morons like you wouldn't have a clue what was really terrifying. I have no doubt peccahead you would shyte yourself if you thought you were in any form of danger...........you remind me of Greenswine.......a mouthy little coward.

Sparky wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:03am:

I wouldn't go knocking something you don't do yourself Greggorry.

Thanks for the advice.

I've decided to completely ignore it though.

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:09am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. Protecting our borders from this: http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/06/1226464/132629-sri-lankan-asylum-seekers-sit-on-the-deck-of-their-boat-stranded.jpg Must be a difficult and terrifying job. Gutless morons like you wouldn't have a clue what was really terrifying. I have no doubt peccahead you would shyte yourself if you thought you were in any form of danger...........you remind me of Greenswine.......a mouthy little coward.

I do love irony.

Just as well those brave navy girls are protecting you.


http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/11/3626702/art-refugees-620x349.jpg


Scary stuff.

Greggorry is the type of little coward who would crawl up into a foetal position if faced with danger.

Sparky wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:42am:

Greggorry is the type of little coward who would crawl up into a foetal position if faced with danger.

Yes, that's true.

The situations they face look too dangerous for me.


http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/05/07/1226637/100584-130508-christmas-island.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:09am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. Protecting our borders from this: http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/06/1226464/132629-sri-lankan-asylum-seekers-sit-on-the-deck-of-their-boat-stranded.jpg Must be a difficult and terrifying job.

Assuming that those in the picture are Tamils can you tell us which ones were fighters for the LTTE? Why should we import racists?


Quote:

Dedication This book is dedicated to the women fighters of Liberation Tigers who have sacrificed their lives in the struggle for the liberation of their homeland and for the creation of a new society where women can live with equality, honour and dignity. http://new.sangam.org/2011/10/Women_Fighters.php?uid=4495

"Flood tubes 1 and 4"

Peccy posting pics again as some supposed form of argument. Poor peccy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:49am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:42am: Greggorry is the type of little coward who would crawl up into a foetal position if faced with danger. Yes, that's true. The situations they face look too dangerous for me. http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/05/07/1226637/100584-130508-christmas-island.jpg

Assuming that those in the picture are Tamils may we know which of the 'innocent women and children' were fighters for the LTTE?


Quote:

What happens to child soldiers when the army they are fighting for loses the war? In Sri Lanka, some teenagers who fought for the Tamil Tigers have gone back to school, to be rehabilitated by an officer from the victorious government forces. Just before 7.30 in the morning a steady stream of teenagers heads across a courtyard in Colombo's Hindu College. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8721974.stm

Can we assume that if they are former child soldiers of the LTTE they are safe to walk our streets? Are we bound to take them because they picked the wrong side in the war?

Aussie and Wild One please disregard all I said about the law of the sea granting exemption to war ships.

Please inform the debate about when the Australian Navy will be prosecuted for its actions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:09am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. Protecting our borders from this: http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/06/1226464/132629-sri-lankan-asylum-seekers-sit-on-the-deck-of-their-boat-stranded.jpg Must be a difficult and terrifying job.

who wants that worthless scum in their country ?

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:04am:

Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be.

bump, it used to be an escort agenty for illegals.
nOW THE raN WORKS FOR aUSSIE.

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:04am:

Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be.

Breaching Indonesia's territory is a good thing to do?

Being used to breach out international agreements and to damage our reputation while putting lives at risk to score political points for a useless government is something they would be happy about and proud of ?????

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:09am: viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. Protecting our borders from this: http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/06/1226464/132629-sri-lankan-asylum-seekers-sit-on-the-deck-of-their-boat-stranded.jpg Must be a difficult and terrifying job. who wants that worthless scum in their country ?

Well, I for one certainly don't want you in my country.

There's already enough ignorant, racist bigots as it is.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:54pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. bump, it used to be an escort agenty for illegals.

No, that's not right.

The commercial airlines are actually the escort agents for "illegals".

"THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

You seem to be terribly misinformed on this subject.  Bolt fan, by any chance?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:54pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. bump, it used to be an escort agenty for illegals. nOW THE raN WORKS FOR aUSSIE.

Jesus, does Craig Thompson know about this floating escort agency, has anyone checked the credit card payments....

This is a travesty!

Oh and awesomely creative use of upper and lower case there. The English language has nothing to fear from yOu...

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:54pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. bump, it used to be an escort agenty for illegals. nOW THE raN WORKS FOR aUSSIE.

The ran is now an escort agency for aussie's ????

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:07pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:54pm: viewpoint wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:04am: Quote: Did our Navy do the right thing Well it sure as hell hasn't been a spectator like it was under the Labor government, it has and is protecting Australia's borders, as it should be. bump, it used to be an escort agenty for illegals. nOW THE raN WORKS FOR aUSSIE. The ran is now an escort agency for aussie's ????

Apparently, I am just going over what credit cards I have access to now...

No the navy didn't do the right thing.

Instead of stuffing about they should have just torpedoed the bloody boat.

Taipan wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:13pm:

No the navy didn't do the right thing. Instead of stuffing about they should have just torpedoed the bloody boat.

I'm sure they would have if they could, however, they were so intimidated by the "aggressive and dangerous situation" that they had to make a run for it, quick smart.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392867152/8#8


http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/07/20/1226682/403696-130720-asylum-boat.jpg


Terrifying stuff.  One can certainly understand why the Navy backed down.

salad in wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Aussie and Wild One please disregard all I said about the law of the sea granting exemption to war ships. Please inform the debate about when the Australian Navy will be prosecuted for its actions.

I don't have sufficient facts because Mr Morrison is hiding from me what he does in my name, but I have previously detailed how, no matter which interception scenario one can conceive, there is either a breach of International Law or a cowardly abrogation of our UNHCR obligations.

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:43pm:

salad in wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:23pm: Aussie and Wild One please disregard all I said about the law of the sea granting exemption to war ships. Please inform the debate about when the Australian Navy will be prosecuted for its actions. I don't have sufficient facts because Mr Morrison is hiding from me what he does in my name, but if have previously detailed how, no matter which interception scenario one can conceive, there is either a breach of International Law or a cowardly abrogation of our UNHCR obligations.

Rick Shaw boy he's was voted in by a majority of Australians to  do a job,, and he's doing  it   ;) ;) ;)

In your name  ;D ;D ;D ;D  F  ;D ;D ;D  F    ;D ;D  S

Who do you think you are !  ;) ;)

woody2014 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:43pm: salad in wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:23pm: Aussie and Wild One please disregard all I said about the law of the sea granting exemption to war ships. Please inform the debate about when the Australian Navy will be prosecuted for its actions. I don't have sufficient facts because Mr Morrison is hiding from me what he does in my name, but if have previously detailed how, no matter which interception scenario one can conceive, there is either a breach of International Law or a cowardly abrogation of our UNHCR obligations. Rick Shaw boy he's was voted in by a majority of Australians to  do a job,, and he's doing  it   ;) ;) ;) In your name  ;D ;D ;D ;D  F  ;D ;D ;D  F    ;D ;D  S Who do you think you are !  ;) ;)

Not one person in Australia voted for Operation Orange Boats, and that is what we have.

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:43pm:

salad in wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:23pm: Aussie and Wild One please disregard all I said about the law of the sea granting exemption to war ships. Please inform the debate about when the Australian Navy will be prosecuted for its actions. I don't have sufficient facts because Mr Morrison is hiding from me what he does in my name, but I have previously detailed how, no matter which interception scenario one can conceive, there is either a breach of International Law or a cowardly abrogation of our UNHCR obligations.

A: a breach of International Law

or

B: a cowardly abrogation of our UNHCR obligations.

or

C: all of the above.

Option "c" looks an almost certainty -

A  [  ]

B  [  ]

C  [x]

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 3:52pm:

woody2014 wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:43pm: salad in wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:23pm: Aussie and Wild One please disregard all I said about the law of the sea granting exemption to war ships. Please inform the debate about when the Australian Navy will be prosecuted for its actions. I don't have sufficient facts because Mr Morrison is hiding from me what he does in my name, but if have previously detailed how, no matter which interception scenario one can conceive, there is either a breach of International Law or a cowardly abrogation of our UNHCR obligations. Rick Shaw boy he's was voted in by a majority of Australians to  do a job,, and he's doing  it   ;) ;) ;) In your name  ;D ;D ;D ;D  F  ;D ;D ;D  F    ;D ;D  S Who do you think you are !  ;) ;) Not one person in Australia voted for Operation Orange Boats, and that is what we have.

;D ;D ;D  Come on you have the shytes cause the lefty wankers run out of ideas   ;) ;)

woody2014 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:52pm: woody2014 wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:50pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 3:43pm: salad in wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 12:23pm: Aussie and Wild One please disregard all I said about the law of the sea granting exemption to war ships. Please inform the debate about when the Australian Navy will be prosecuted for its actions. I don't have sufficient facts because Mr Morrison is hiding from me what he does in my name, but if have previously detailed how, no matter which interception scenario one can conceive, there is either a breach of International Law or a cowardly abrogation of our UNHCR obligations. Rick Shaw boy he's was voted in by a majority of Australians to  do a job,, and he's doing  it   ;) ;) ;) In your name  ;D ;D ;D ;D  F  ;D ;D ;D  F    ;D ;D  S Who do you think you are !  ;) ;) Not one person in Australia voted for Operation Orange Boats, and that is what we have. ;D ;D ;D  Come on you have the shytes cause the lefty wankers run out of ideas   ;) ;)

I don't have the runs at all.  I am aware there is no easy solution to the problem Achmed presents.  I don't want kids drowned at sea, but neither do I want genuine asylum seekers denied their rights either.

If I have to make a choice, I'd go with Achmed, but there is a safer way.  You could either do the PUP thing, or plonk a bloody big Australian flagged cruise ship just outside the Indonesian 12 mile limit, Achmed brings the asylum seekers out and they are taken aboard.  That ship sails into Sydney Harbour and those on board are duly processed.

Ya see, FriYAY is honest about this.  He says....'Nah, they can all go get buggered.  We don't want them.'  That is also the real position of Abbott, but instead of having the balls to rip up our agreement with the UN, he pretends that his War is with Achmed.

smacking fraud.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:33am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:42pm: Time to have the whiney b1tch socialist do this job and free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for. This is a bullsh1t job and well below the dignity of the navy, time to let these enthusiastic socialist spend time away from freinds and family for weeks on end to deal with these people; and not to necessarily have an 'open door' policy either but to prevent them from killing themselves at sea and secure our borders as the government wants That would make everyone happy, especially the bleeding heart socialist who would want to this type of work, since they complain bitterly about everone else. Ahhh except socilaist never actually do anything but complain about everyone else and are generally too lazy or too stupid to be part of the solution. too bad a good oportunity missed free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for. You think that people join the navy to mistreat refugees, to deliberately breach international laws and the sovereignty of our neighbours ?? I would think they are ashamed of the political manner in which they are being used.

Actualy that is the exact opposite of what I think, seemed pretty obvious

Rounding up reffos should be the job of whiney socialists; they seem to believe they know exactly how it should be done

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:44am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:59am: Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training. You are one of those loud mouthed idiots, your opinions like your life, are irrelevant and pointless.  "Changes in Behavior associated with schizophrenia ---- " ...  talking to yourself (very common sign)." http://www.schizophrenia.com/earlysigns.htm

You pretty much cut out everything I said so you could write what ever bulls1t lie you wanted and that was the best you could do.

Wanker!!!

;D   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:44am: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 5:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 9:59am: Yes, it must be terrifying for them. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2745794-3x2-940x627.jpg Thank goodness they've done all that training. You are one of those loud mouthed idiots, your opinions like your life, are irrelevant and pointless.  "Changes in Behavior associated with schizophrenia ---- " ...  talking to yourself (very common sign)." http://www.schizophrenia.com/earlysigns.htm You pretty much cut out everything I said so you could write what ever bulls1t lie you wanted and that was the best you could do. Wanker!!! ;D   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Are you still talking to yourself?

It's hard to tell with you guys    :-/

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:17pm:

...  I think ...

When did this start?

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:33am: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:42pm: Time to have the whiney b1tch socialist do this job and free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for. This is a bullsh1t job and well below the dignity of the navy, time to let these enthusiastic socialist spend time away from freinds and family for weeks on end to deal with these people; and not to necessarily have an 'open door' policy either but to prevent them from killing themselves at sea and secure our borders as the government wants That would make everyone happy, especially the bleeding heart socialist who would want to this type of work, since they complain bitterly about everone else. Ahhh except socilaist never actually do anything but complain about everyone else and are generally too lazy or too stupid to be part of the solution. too bad a good oportunity missed free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for. You think that people join the navy to mistreat refugees, to deliberately breach international laws and the sovereignty of our neighbours ?? I would think they are ashamed of the political manner in which they are being used. Actualy that is the exact opposite of what I think, seemed pretty obvious Rounding up reffos should be the job of whiney socialists; they seem to believe they know exactly how it should be done

Actualy that is the exact opposite of what I think,

Its not compulsory to support it then.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:17pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 9:33am: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 20th, 2014 at 1:42pm: Time to have the whiney b1tch socialist do this job and free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for. This is a bullsh1t job and well below the dignity of the navy, time to let these enthusiastic socialist spend time away from freinds and family for weeks on end to deal with these people; and not to necessarily have an 'open door' policy either but to prevent them from killing themselves at sea and secure our borders as the government wants That would make everyone happy, especially the bleeding heart socialist who would want to this type of work, since they complain bitterly about everone else. Ahhh except socilaist never actually do anything but complain about everyone else and are generally too lazy or too stupid to be part of the solution. too bad a good oportunity missed free the poor bastard navy to do the job they enlisted for. You think that people join the navy to mistreat refugees, to deliberately breach international laws and the sovereignty of our neighbours ?? I would think they are ashamed of the political manner in which they are being used. Actualy that is the exact opposite of what I think, seemed pretty obvious Rounding up reffos should be the job of whiney socialists; they seem to believe they know exactly how it should be done Actualy that is the exact opposite of what I think, Its not compulsory to support it then.

What the bugger are try to convey? You become less and less intelligable by the word.

Just say what you mean and stop try to be vague and wistful; it's friggen annoying.


The navydoes not want to do this sh1t job abd they should be doing it; it is a job for whiney b1tch socalists who think they know better than everyone else.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:46pm:

What the bugger are try to convey? You become less and less intelligable by the word. Just say what you mean and stop try to be vague and wistful; it's friggen annoying. The navydoes not want to do this sh1t job abd they should be doing it; it is a job for whiney b1tch socalists who think they know better than everyone else.

The topic is about Navy incursions into Indonesian waters.

The question is did they do the right thing

You spent many posts supporting what the Navy have done as being correct.

It wasn't.

The navy have been instructed to ignore our UN agreement and to turn back boats (tow back boats) This is breaching our international obligations and a politically driven situation. It is also wrong.

The Navy towing boats into Indonesian waters constitutes much more than just being there innocently, they are deliberately breaching Indonesian law by circumventing their immigration laws.

How would you feel if Indonesia started towing refugee boats into Australian waters in breach of our laws?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 11:49am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 11:42am: Greggorry is the type of little coward who would crawl up into a foetal position if faced with danger. Yes, that's true. The situations they face look too dangerous for me. http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/05/07/1226637/100584-130508-christmas-island.jpg

I thought so. Cowardly little toe rags like you never do the challenging things in society. You end up as accountants but want to be lion tamers.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/australian-navy-incursion-into-indonesian-waters-intentional


Quote:

The document provides the first official documentation that an Australian naval incursion had occurred, and shows that Indonesian agencies were aware the incursions were continuing.

Quote:

An asylum seeker aboard the boat, Yousif Ibrahim Fasher, who detailed allegations of the burned hands to Fairfax media, also said that the accompanying Australian naval vessels had turned their lights off during the last two nights of the journey on 4 and 5 January. His account also suggests that only two Australian naval vessels had accompanied the asylum seekers. On Friday, Indonesian navy spokesman Commodore Untung Suropati told Guardian Australia the 6 January incursion was a knowing and intentional breach by the Australian navy. Suropati said Indonesian naval intelligence showed that the Australian vessels had come within seven miles (11km) of the shore on Rote island. Indonesia’s territorial waters extend to 12 nautical miles (22km).

If the navy turned their lights off it is a fair indication that they did so to avoid detection.....The navy would also have been aware that being 11km away from the Indonesian coast would have put them well inside Indonesia's territorial waters.....The Abbott Government is very quick to dismiss all asylum seekers as liars without having an independent enquiry to clear the navy.....Accountability relies on the truth!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 4:59pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 4:46pm: What the bugger are try to convey? You become less and less intelligable by the word. Just say what you mean and stop try to be vague and wistful; it's friggen annoying. The navydoes not want to do this sh1t job abd they should be doing it; it is a job for whiney b1tch socalists who think they know better than everyone else. The topic is about Navy incursions into Indonesian waters. The question is did they do the right thing You spent many posts supporting what the Navy have done as being correct. It wasn't. The navy have been instructed to ignore our UN agreement and to turn back boats (tow back boats) This is breaching our international obligations and a politically driven situation. It is also wrong. The Navy towing boats into Indonesian waters constitutes much more than just being there innocently, they are deliberately breaching Indonesian law by circumventing their immigration laws. How would you feel if Indonesia started towing refugee boats into Australian waters in breach of our laws?

Well that had nothing at all to do with what I said, no wonder there was confusion.


It should not be the navy's job to babysit reffos to and fro; it is not what they train for and has nothing at all to do wiith being an armed force.

If the whiney little leftards do not like the way the navy is being forced to do this job, then get off your confortable little couches and go out and do it yourselves. Labor will be back in sharge soon enough; make it happen; if you can't stop the boats, at least stop the whinging.

Don't b1tch and moan how you don't like how someone else is doing a job, you are not willing to do it yourselves; it just makes you an annoying hypocrite.


The navy are doing what the government of the day asks them too; I agree someone else should be doing it; preffereably scumbag know it all socialists, not the navy or the RAAF.



Here's a little bit of info for you all, all three services have been deliberately carrying out incursions into indon territory for decades, every now and again we get caught; mostly we are in and out without anyone being any the wiser.