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But there are many and varied rorts available to Muslims and to be fair, a few Australians take advantage of this one: A father of a large family takes advantage of government supplemented housing and moves in next door to his sister-in-law who also has a large family. The mother (or mothers) of 12 already receives extended family benefits and the father claims a disability pension authorised by the local Islamic ‘doctor’. Once he father has temporarily moved in next door to his sister-in-law’s house, the mother promptly visits Community Services and claims she is no longer able to cope with 12 children and needs at least two foster parents. Who better to fill that role than her sister and her eldest daughter, after all, they only live next door. How good is that? All agreed of course. Now the family can add to the existing benefits the tidy sum of $214 per child per week for each carer and much more if they can show the children have “special needs”. Of course that’s not too hard to prove because each child has a disturbing hatred of Australians and a learning (English) difficulty that must be attended to.     Okay, but now the poor sister next door is under extreme stress and needs foster parents for her 9 kids. Never mind, she has another sister with lots of kids just around the corner... and so it continues, with billions being milked from a welfare budget of $70 billion, designed to help those in genuine need. The government simply can’t afford to monitor who is sleeping with who but you can bet nothing much has changed except an extraordinary increase in the level of benefits. More than 80% of male illegal immigrants are found to either be unable, or are not allowed, to find meaningful employment.

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No wonder they break their necks to get here on boats.

Go on ~ spoil yourselves!

Here's another cracker.


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Labor/Green ideologues never wanted the boats stopped and in the process seriously misjudged Abbott’s ability to do so. There is clearly no other reason for the far Left to exhibit such anger when congratulations ought to have been in order for securing our borders.

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Abbott’s main plank in his campaign was to “STOP THE BOATS” and, so far, he has done exactly that. The voters wanted that and elected him to do that, so what’s the problem?

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This Senate Inquisition has not exposed Morrison, instead it has exposed the swill.

Let me guess, the article either contains no source, or claims to have one but doesn't say who?


Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:42pm:

This Senate Inquisition has not exposed Morrison, instead it has exposed the swill.

Lol, Morrison refused to answer a yes or no question, then got pissy when he was called out on it.  Either intentionally hiding the truth or incompetence I'll let you decide.


Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:42pm:

Abbott’s main plank in his campaign was to “STOP THE BOATS” and, so far, he has done exactly that. The voters wanted that and elected him to do that, so what’s the problem?

Stopped the boats coming to Australia.  Because the boats have definitely NOT stopped Herbert.

Also funny how he would select Muslims, as anyone could pull that rort off if they had a large extended family.

oh right, he's Pickering and hates brown people.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:32pm:

Quote: But there are many and varied rorts available to Muslims and to be fair, a few Australians take advantage of this one: A father of a large family takes advantage of government supplemented housing and moves in next door to his sister-in-law who also has a large family. The mother (or mothers) of 12 already receives extended family benefits and the father claims a disability pension authorised by the local Islamic ‘doctor’. Once he father has temporarily moved in next door to his sister-in-law’s house, the mother promptly visits Community Services and claims she is no longer able to cope with 12 children and needs at least two foster parents. Who better to fill that role than her sister and her eldest daughter, after all, they only live next door. How good is that? All agreed of course. Now the family can add to the existing benefits the tidy sum of $214 per child per week for each carer and much more if they can show the children have “special needs”. Of course that’s not too hard to prove because each child has a disturbing hatred of Australians and a learning (English) difficulty that must be attended to.     Okay, but now the poor sister next door is under extreme stress and needs foster parents for her 9 kids. Never mind, she has another sister with lots of kids just around the corner... and so it continues, with billions being milked from a welfare budget of $70 billion, designed to help those in genuine need. The government simply can’t afford to monitor who is sleeping with who but you can bet nothing much has changed except an extraordinary increase in the level of benefits. More than 80% of male illegal immigrants are found to either be unable, or are not allowed, to find meaningful employment. [quote]No wonder they break their necks to get here on boats.

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Good post

Have an upvote 

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Pickering.


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You dhimmis just aren't getting this whole Muhammadan on welfare thing. Their going on welfare is a way for them to collect, what is effectively a jizya tax that is owed to them, by their non-Muslim western infidel dhimmi dupes.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm

"Hate preacher pocketing £25,000 a year in benefits calls on fanatics to live off the state"

According to famous English cleric Anjem Choudary it is Muhammad's followers obligation to live off of western welfare - which offers them the time to plan Islamic jihad, as well as engage in the lies and dissimulation of dah'wah.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

While at the same time this parasitism by Muslims, of free western countries, contributes to the destruction of western economies. A win, win, for Muhammadans! Then every formerly free country all around the world, can become just another Islamic sharia law ruled, multiple concubine and wife beating, little girl genital mutilating (FGM), Christian and Jew murdering, church burning, Islamic slave state.

".....urging his followers to also sponge off UK taxpayers by claiming their 'Jihadseeker's allowance'."

".....also openly mocked hard-working Britons, calling them 'slaves'."

Do you infidels understand now? Thanks to Islam's dhimmi dupes that run our governments, we are all just slaves in dhimmitude to the followers of Muhammad, who should naturally expect to be entitled to live off of the fruit of our labor. That is, to maintain us as slaves, to support themselves.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm#dhimmitude

"Anjem Choudary, who in the past has planned to disrupt the minute's silence on Remembrance Sunday, also openly mocked hard-working Britons, calling them 'slaves'."

"The father-of-four takes home more than £25,000 a year in benefits and lives in a £320,000 house in Leytonstone, East London.
He told a crowd of around 30 fanatics: 'People will say, 'Ah, but you are not working'. But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar (non-Muslim).
'So we take Jihadseeker's Allowance. You need to get support.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279972/Anjem-Choudary-Hate-preacher-pocketing-25-000-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html

I do so appreciate chats that help to remind and thus further embellish websites, with things I had forgotten.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm#welfare_as_jizya

It’s true, Herbie. 8 out of 10 Muslims don’t work. They don’t need to - they’re rolling in it. Pickering’s research shows this without a shadow of a doubt.

It happens all the time.  Whenever these Muslims take their kids into Family/Community Services, the caseworkers happily go off to court and argue to have their kids put into state care so that their families can get the $214 a week to look after them. I’m not sure what the statistics are, but it must be 8 out of 10 Muslim kids in state care.

No, I am sure. I just looked it up on Pickering’s site. 80%.

Disability pensions - 8 out of 10 again. It’s funny, because Australians have to see Commonwealth doctors to get onto the pension, but not the Muslims. In fact, the doctors who assess them don’t even have to be registered.

Well, 8 out of 10 of them, anyway. Centrelink bends the rules for them because they’re Muslims. Muslim GPs don’t have to sit the exam.

As you say, these are real crackers, but it’s normal for the Muslims. Labor and the Greens set it up.

I’m glad we’re talking about all this instead of hiding the truth the way the leftard media do. It feels so good to finally get this out into the open.

Maybe now everybody knows about this, we can throw all the Muslims out of our country and spend all those billions on our own kind.

Well, 8 out of 10 of us, anyway. Why should we have to work and look after our kids?

The Muslims don’t have to. Why should we?

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 3:38am:

Maybe now everybody knows about this, we can throw all the Muslims out of our country and spend all those billions on our own kind.

Outlawing Islam as the conquering imperialistic power that it is, and stripping it's false status as a religion rather than a power mad cult, while closing all the strategic planning centers they call mosques, would be a good start. At least until such time that they can demonstrate that it is something other than a murderous ANTI-religion, and other than a preposterous lie, on the basis of history, archaeology and geography. Which is impossible, since Mecca did not exist until about the 4th century AD.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/

But then if things weren't going as they are, and just as prophesied of THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast", then the prophesies regarding it would be false:

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1390714478/16#16

Have you noticed the sulky petulance and the recourse to childish exaggeration and the angry silliness the Truth Deniers here are left with as their only response to the likes of Ackerman, Bolt, Pickering, Pat Condell, Miranda Devine, Melanie Phillips, Mark Steyne and the scores of other Post-Political Correctness scribes?

They're a little tardy in abandoning the Pop Cult PC industry for the Junk Ideology that it always was.

While most thinking people have broken free of the artificial constraints imposed upon them by the now-defunct cult of PC dogma, there are still far too many who are reluctant to relinquish the vain delusions of moral superiority that this cult allowed them.

Come on you guys! Take your hand off it and use your brain for critical analysis instead of letting it stagnate as a repository for defunct leftwing ideologies.

Stratos wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Also funny how he would select Muslims, as anyone could pull that rort off if they had a large extended family. oh right, he's Pickering and hates brown people.

There is a thread on muslims having a much higher unemployment rate in Australia and elsewhere, Islam produces a lot of unemployable bums.

Of course dopey islamic  apologists always spin dislike of delusional beliefs from the dark ages as somehow being racist attacks on darker skinned people.

Mohammad was a fat dwarf with white skin, there are many shaih hadeeth that clearly state this.

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The profit passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the profit,he uncovered his thigh and i saw the whiteness of the thigh of the profit. We conquered Khaibar ,took captives,and the booty was collected.Diha came and said O allah's profit! give me a slave girl from the captives,The profit said go and take any slave girl www.sunnah.com/bukhari/8/23

Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy demands 20% of all war booty, what sort of god demands 20% of all war booty?
www.quran.com/8/41

Jihad Jane has white skin,blonde hair , so much for the myth only dark skinned people are muslims,of course dopey Islamic apologists never mention white muslims they claim attacks on delusional beliefs are attacks on darker skinned people.
www.smh.com.au/world/jihad-jane-sentenced-to-10-years-in-prison-for-plot-to-kill-swedish-artist-20140107-hv7oh.html

Salman Rushdie had a fatwa issued for his death over a book,Theo Van Gogh was murdered by muslims over a movie, even cartoonists are not safe from fundamental muslims, this is the Islam apologists like you are so keen to defend.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Come on you guys! Take your hand off it and use your brain for critical analysis instead of letting it stagnate as a repository for defunct leftwing ideologies.

So, does this mean his claims are substantiated?  Or is making baseless claims not part of being a "truth denier"

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:51am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:50pm: Also funny how he would select Muslims, as anyone could pull that rort off if they had a large extended family. oh right, he's Pickering and hates brown people. There is a thread on muslims having a much higher unemployment rate in Australia and elsewhere, Islam produces a lot of unemployable bums. Of course dopey islamic  apologists always spin dislike of delusional beliefs from the dark ages as somehow being racist attacks on darker skinned people. Mohammad was a fat dwarf with white skin, there are many shaih hadeeth that clearly state this. Quote: The profit passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the profit,he uncovered his thigh and i saw the whiteness of the thigh of the profit. We conquered Khaibar ,took captives,and the booty was collected.Diha came and said O allah's profit! give me a slave girl from the captives,The profit said go and take any slave girl www.sunnah.com/bukhari/8/23 Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy demands 20% of all war booty, what sort of god demands 20% of all war booty? www.quran.com/8/41 Jihad Jane has white skin,blonde hair , so much for the myth only dark skinned people are muslims,of course dopey Islamic apologists never mention white muslims they claim attacks on delusional beliefs are attacks on darker skinned people. www.smh.com.au/world/jihad-jane-sentenced-to-10-years-in-prison-for-plot-to-kill-swedish-artist-20140107-hv7oh.html Salman Rushdie had a fatwa issued for his death over a book,Theo Van Gogh was murdered by muslims over a movie, even cartoonists are not safe from fundamental muslims, this is the Islam apologists like you are so keen to defend.

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:19am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:51am: Stratos wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:50pm: Also funny how he would select Muslims, as anyone could pull that rort off if they had a large extended family. oh right, he's Pickering and hates brown people. There is a thread on muslims having a much higher unemployment rate in Australia and elsewhere, Islam produces a lot of unemployable bums. Of course dopey islamic  apologists always spin dislike of delusional beliefs from the dark ages as somehow being racist attacks on darker skinned people. Mohammad was a fat dwarf with white skin, there are many shaih hadeeth that clearly state this. Quote: The profit passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the profit,he uncovered his thigh and i saw the whiteness of the thigh of the profit. We conquered Khaibar ,took captives,and the booty was collected.Diha came and said O allah's profit! give me a slave girl from the captives,The profit said go and take any slave girl www.sunnah.com/bukhari/8/23 Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy demands 20% of all war booty, what sort of god demands 20% of all war booty? www.quran.com/8/41 Jihad Jane has white skin,blonde hair , so much for the myth only dark skinned people are muslims,of course dopey Islamic apologists never mention white muslims they claim attacks on delusional beliefs are attacks on darker skinned people. www.smh.com.au/world/jihad-jane-sentenced-to-10-years-in-prison-for-plot-to-kill-swedish-artist-20140107-hv7oh.html Salman Rushdie had a fatwa issued for his death over a book,Theo Van Gogh was murdered by muslims over a movie, even cartoonists are not safe from fundamental muslims, this is the Islam apologists like you are so keen to defend. .

Nearly all of my muslims friends are very well off.Almost halve have top paying jobs or have uni degrees.

And no need to lie baron about Mohamed being a fat dwarf.

And Mohamed was white? O my god, that must be breaking news.

What Mohamed looked like

Narrated by Hazrat Ali(RZ)
"Rasool Allah(pbuh) was not too tall and not short. But he was of average height. Hair were neither straight and nor curly but a bit curly. Body was not chubby. Face was not round and heavy and cheeks were not bulky, Infect face was kinda round. Complexion was whitish and reddish. Eyes were black and Eyebrows were long. Joint bones were strong. Edge of shoulders and middle part was strong and flashy. Body was not too hairy, just a line of hair from chest to tummy. Palms and feet were flashy. He(pbuh) use to walk with strength. and it feel like coming down from some higher place. when He(pbuh) pay attention toward right or left, he(pbuh) move his whole body (not just face). There was sign of prophet hood between both shoulders. He(pbuh) is the last Prophet. Most generous of all and most truthful of all. Very kind in nature and family wise most supreme. who ever see him(pbuh), in very first look he become influenced, Who use to meet him regularly, he begin to love him more then any thing."

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:04am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:48am: Come on you guys! Take your hand off it and use your brain for critical analysis instead of letting it stagnate as a repository for defunct leftwing ideologies. So, does this mean his claims are substantiated?  Or is making baseless claims not part of being a "truth denier"

A psychiatrist would tell you that ... 


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"Only YOU can work your way out of this ideological vortex you've allowed yourself to be dragged into for reasons of cheap moral conceit. I can't do it for you."

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:04am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:48am: Come on you guys! Take your hand off it and use your brain for critical analysis instead of letting it stagnate as a repository for defunct leftwing ideologies. So, does this mean his claims are substantiated?  Or is making baseless claims not part of being a "truth denier"

Looks like he got the story from larry pickering.

And of course larry is a honest man.

Larry Pickering who ripped off $15million in a betting software scam claims to be investigating Julia Gillard for the AWU fraud scam.

Larry Pickering is well-known for being a fraudster, scam artist and con man who’s latest scam cost people an estimated $15 million. Pickering refuses to answer questions on the matter except for a basic denial. This is the guy who claims he is investigating Julia Gillard in the AWU fraud scam from the 1990’s.

The reality is that Larry Pickering is working his next scam and a lot of suckers are being drawn in and even a few in the media. The real danger here is that the only thing going for Julia Gillard is Larry Pickering. It gives Julia Gillard an easy way out of the mess as she can just refer to the lies and sleaze, Gillard being pregnant and having an abortion and being a lesbian, in Pickering’s reporting and his own dodgy background in running scams.

I flagged this 4 weeks ago in a post and also said that Pickering was full of lies and that I would be doing another post on him  (Click here to read the post) The sleaze factor in Pickering’s reporting will turn a lot of people off and his lies blur everything. This is already happening, on Friday a main stream reporter with News Ltd, Peter van Onselen, referred to Pickering as a reason of why he will not report on the Gillard AWU fraud. (Click here to read)

Over the last couple of months Mr Pickering has been doing posts on his Facebook page and his website and another he set up about a month ago. A lot of the content of the posts are sleazy sexual innuendo and have no relevance to the AWU fraud and the posts are full of lies. In an interview on 3aw with Derryn Hinch in the last few days Mr Pickering admitted he was using a creative license in the posts and “adding color” as he said. So where the lies stop and truth begins no one knows. But below we will have a look at some of the lies.

Gee Herbert, that's a funny way of saying, "no he can't back it up"

Larry Pickering accused of being involved in a sports betting operation, millions allegedly lost [size=14][/size]


HE lives a life of luxury in a grand rented home, driving a late-model Jaguar and playing golf at one of the country's most exclusives courses. 
 
But Australian cartoonist Larry Pickering now stands accused of being involved in a sports betting operation in which more than 100 investors lost their life savings.

Pickering, 68, best known for his political cartoons in the 1970s and 80s, is alleged to have used an alias selling software for Cohen Strachan Investments, urging people to invest in a sports trading company which folded, with millions of dollars allegedly lost.

Hundreds of consumers were allegedly cold-called and encouraged to buy the program and then invest in Hong Kong-based Nominee Traders, which promised a hefty return by betting around the world.

They were also given a gift certificate which they traded for the buyers.

Pickering said the claims about his involvement in Nominee Traders were "not true". "I don't know where all this comes from," he said. "It is rubbish."

But he admitted he helped set up CSI five years ago. The software seller went into bankruptcy last year, with KordaMentha appointed liquidators in November.

"I feel sorry for people who lost money but I had nothing to do with it," Pickering said. "The relevant authorities and police should investigate."

KordaMentha said creditors claim they have been defrauded and have "reported offences to ASIC and other law enforcement bodies" including Queensland Police and the AFP.

KordaMentha said the investment scheme worked with customers buying sports arbitrage software known as Carbon A for $17,000 from CSI as an agent of Nominee Traders. The software came with a $2000 trading certificate to use in a betting account facilitated by the company. Each customer had their own login details where they could track the return of the initial $2000.

"The sports arbitrage soft- wear was not user-friendly and did not perform to the standard represented to the customers," KordaMentha said in a statement to creditors. Most customers did not seek a refund for the software because the initial $2000 had increased in value.

"Problems arose when customers sought to withdraw the balance of their account and these requests were not actioned or fulfilled.

"Customers observed irregularities with the balances of the sports arbitrage accounts giving rise to allegations that the accounts were manually manipulated and did not actually exist."

The scheme has been reported to police in three states. The corporate regulator ASIC has been informed.

Many investors found they could not withdraw money from their Nominee Traders accounts. Twenty-four people joined forces and employed Sydney private investigator Ken Gamble. Mr Gamble, spent a year investigating and travelled to Hong Kong.

The Daily Telegraph has obtained 24 sworn statements from investors who claim they lost money by investing in the scheme which Mr Gamble said can be traced back to associates of Pickering on the Gold Coast.

Queensland Police have confirmed they are now investigating complaints and have several statements from people alleging Pickering used the alias Paul Perry. Pickering has been accused of using the name while pushing the scheme to investors - a claim he also denied.

Chief Superintendent Steve Hollands said officers were exploring whether a fraud had been committed. "The possibility also exists that it could have been a legitimate scheme which has failed," he said.

Just before Nominee Traders folded, investors trying to get money out were believed to have been told it suffered massive losses on the 2010 Soccer World Cup and Superbowl. Many say they were simply not told anything and emails were not replied to.

Pickering, now 68, has ll children to five women, and lives on the Gold Coast.

He was made an undischarged bankrupt in August last year by his former de facto's father George Luckardt.

In reply to the bankruptcy, Pickering said he disputed he owed money and his only asset was a $250 set of golf clubs.

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:46am:

Gee Herbert, that's a funny way of saying, "no he can't back it up"

Larry and herbert-Both probably bankrupts scabbing off centrelink

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Have you noticed the sulky petulance and the recourse to childish exaggeration and the angry silliness the Truth Deniers here are left with as their only response to the likes of Ackerman, Bolt, Pickering, Pat Condell, Miranda Devine, Melanie Phillips, Mark Steyne and the scores of other Post-Political Correctness scribes?

That’s right, Herbie. Truth deniers.

Shouldn’t we call people who question Pickering liars?

I think we should.

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:23am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:19am: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:51am: Stratos wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:50pm: Also funny how he would select Muslims, as anyone could pull that rort off if they had a large extended family. oh right, he's Pickering and hates brown people. There is a thread on muslims having a much higher unemployment rate in Australia and elsewhere, Islam produces a lot of unemployable bums. Of course dopey islamic  apologists always spin dislike of delusional beliefs from the dark ages as somehow being racist attacks on darker skinned people. Mohammad was a fat dwarf with white skin, there are many shaih hadeeth that clearly state this. Quote: The profit passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the profit,he uncovered his thigh and i saw the whiteness of the thigh of the profit. We conquered Khaibar ,took captives,and the booty was collected.Diha came and said O allah's profit! give me a slave girl from the captives,The profit said go and take any slave girl www.sunnah.com/bukhari/8/23 Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy demands 20% of all war booty, what sort of god demands 20% of all war booty? www.quran.com/8/41 Jihad Jane has white skin,blonde hair , so much for the myth only dark skinned people are muslims,of course dopey Islamic apologists never mention white muslims they claim attacks on delusional beliefs are attacks on darker skinned people. www.smh.com.au/world/jihad-jane-sentenced-to-10-years-in-prison-for-plot-to-kill-swedish-artist-20140107-hv7oh.html Salman Rushdie had a fatwa issued for his death over a book,Theo Van Gogh was murdered by muslims over a movie, even cartoonists are not safe from fundamental muslims, this is the Islam apologists like you are so keen to defend. . Nearly all of my muslims friends are very well off.Almost halve have top paying jobs or have uni degrees. And no need to lie baron about Mohamed being a fat dwarf. And Mohamed was white? O my god, that must be breaking news. What Mohamed looked like

A degree in Arabic language or Islamic studies is worthless, Osama had a degree in Engineering and what did he do for a living?
Here is the thread on muslim unemployment in Australia, as blind freddy can see the majority of muslims in Australia do not work.
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350297679

Muslims even argue engineering studies and not Islamic ideology is the cause of Islamic terror, you cannot educate the ignorant who follow delusional beliefs
https://www.google.com.au/#q=Islamic+terror+and+engineering

Mohammad was a fat dwarf your Islamic texts confirm this fact-

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This Mohammed of yours is a dwarf and fat www.sunnah.com/abudawud/42/154

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:31am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:04am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:48am: Come on you guys! Take your hand off it and use your brain for critical analysis instead of letting it stagnate as a repository for defunct leftwing ideologies. So, does this mean his claims are substantiated?  Or is making baseless claims not part of being a "truth denier" A pychiatrist would tell you that ...  [quote]"Only YOU can work your way out of this ideological vortex you've allowed yourself to be dragged into for reasons of cheap moral conceit. I can't do it for you."

Put them on your ignore list, Herb. They’re playing the usual leftard trick of playing the man and not the ball, trying to malign Pickering’s character like that.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 4:01am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 3:38am: Maybe now everybody knows about this, we can throw all the Muslims out of our country and spend all those billions on our own kind. Outlawing Islam as the conquering imperialistic power that it is, and stripping it's false status as a religion...

Good point, Pete. Can we do something with the death penalty too? Herbie’s been looking for creative ways to use it.

Could we execture, for example, truth deniers?

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:46am: Gee Herbert, that's a funny way of saying, "no he can't back it up" Larry and herbert-Both probably bankrupts scabbing off centrelink

Herbie’s on the pension. He figured if the Muslims are doing it, why shouldn’t he?

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:46am: Gee Herbert, that's a funny way of saying, "no he can't back it up" Larry and herbert-Both probably bankrupts scabbing off centrelink

;D ;D ;D

Correct on both accounts!

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:28pm:

wally1 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:48am: Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:46am: Gee Herbert, that's a funny way of saying, "no he can't back it up" Larry and herbert-Both probably bankrupts scabbing off centrelink Herbie’s on the pension. He figured if the Muslims are doing it, why shouldn’t he?

Maybe herbies a closet Muslim?

Yeah geez Herbert, stop being all Taqiyya-ey

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 12:28pm: wally1 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:48am: Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:46am: Gee Herbert, that's a funny way of saying, "no he can't back it up" Larry and herbert-Both probably bankrupts scabbing off centrelink Herbie’s on the pension. He figured if the Muslims are doing it, why shouldn’t he? Maybe herbies a closet Muslim?

It’s possible, Wally. Herbie doesn’t look after his kids either - and his doctor’s not registered.

Sounds suspiciously like a Muslim to me.

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:23am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:19am: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:51am: Stratos wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:50pm: Also funny how he would select Muslims, as anyone could pull that rort off if they had a large extended family. oh right, he's Pickering and hates brown people. There is a thread on muslims having a much higher unemployment rate in Australia and elsewhere, Islam produces a lot of unemployable bums. Of course dopey islamic  apologists always spin dislike of delusional beliefs from the dark ages as somehow being racist attacks on darker skinned people. Mohammad was a fat dwarf with white skin, there are many shaih hadeeth that clearly state this. Quote: The profit passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the profit,he uncovered his thigh and i saw the whiteness of the thigh of the profit. We conquered Khaibar ,took captives,and the booty was collected.Diha came and said O allah's profit! give me a slave girl from the captives,The profit said go and take any slave girl www.sunnah.com/bukhari/8/23 Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy demands 20% of all war booty, what sort of god demands 20% of all war booty? www.quran.com/8/41 Jihad Jane has white skin,blonde hair , so much for the myth only dark skinned people are muslims,of course dopey Islamic apologists never mention white muslims they claim attacks on delusional beliefs are attacks on darker skinned people. www.smh.com.au/world/jihad-jane-sentenced-to-10-years-in-prison-for-plot-to-kill-swedish-artist-20140107-hv7oh.html Salman Rushdie had a fatwa issued for his death over a book,Theo Van Gogh was murdered by muslims over a movie, even cartoonists are not safe from fundamental muslims, this is the Islam apologists like you are so keen to defend. . Nearly all of my muslims friends are very well off.Almost halve have top paying jobs or have uni degrees. And no need to lie baron about Mohamed being a fat dwarf. And Mohamed was white? O my god, that must be breaking news. What Mohamed looked like Narrated by Hazrat Ali(RZ) "Rasool Allah(pbuh) was not too tall and not short. But he was of average height. Hair were neither straight and nor curly but a bit curly. Body was not chubby. Face was not round and heavy and cheeks were not bulky, Infect face was kinda round. Complexion was whitish and reddish. Eyes were black and Eyebrows were long. Joint bones were strong. Edge of shoulders and middle part was strong and flashy. Body was not too hairy, just a line of hair from chest to tummy. Palms and feet were flashy. He(pbuh) use to walk with strength. and it feel like coming down from some higher place. when He(pbuh) pay attention toward right or left, he(pbuh) move his whole body (not just face). There was sign of prophet hood between both shoulders. He(pbuh) is the last Prophet. Most generous of all and most truthful of all. Very kind in nature and family wise most supreme. who ever see him(pbuh), in very first look he become influenced, Who use to meet him regularly, he begin to love him more then any thing."

I've been reading your post about Christians , Jews and atheists lately and I can't believe you are on here banging on about how we should accept your religion. You obviously don't.

We're here to have fun sparky, stop being the fun police.ANd I congratulate you on your ability to read.

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:32pm:

We're here to have fun sparky, stop being the fun police.ANd I congratulate you on your ability to read.

So when you were going on about Christianity being a false religion and the other stuff you were accepting others beliefs? That was having fun? That stuff you've been writing about Jews would get Adolf Hitler off. He wouldn't like the atheist stuff because he was one.

Among other reasons, the truth about the high rate of unemployment among immigrant Muslims is that the Middle East's patriarchal culture deems it to be demeaning for a man to be seen working hard to support his family.

It's all a matter of 'losing face' in Middle Eastern male-dominated societies.

You lose respect by the degree that you have to 'labour' for a living. This means you're an idiot and an 'ass'.

And so Muslims tend to gravitate either to the professions, or to 'work' that involves a minimum of actual physical effort.

Security personnel ... taxi-driver ... shop-keeper ... ticket collector ...etc.

It's all about social status. Maintaining 'face' and family pride and dignity.

   

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Among other reasons, the truth about the high rate of unemployment among immigrant Muslims is that the Middle East's patriarchal culture deems it to be demeaning for a man to be seen working hard to support his family. It's all a matter of 'losing face' in Middle Eastern male-dominated societies. You lose respect by the degree that you have to 'labour' for a living. This means you're an idiot and an 'ass'. And so Muslims tend to gravitate either to the professions, or to 'work' that involves a minimum of actual physical effort. Security personnel ... taxi-driver ... shop-keeper ... ticket collector ...etc. It's all about social status. Maintaining 'face' and family pride and dignity.

I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree.

Sparky wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

wally1 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:32pm: We're here to have fun sparky, stop being the fun police.ANd I congratulate you on your ability to read. So when you were going on about Christianity being a false religion and the other stuff you were accepting others beliefs? That was having fun? That stuff you've been writing about Jews would get Adolf Hitler off. He wouldn't like the atheist stuff because he was one.

I'm talking about the humour in this thread

If you want to cry then go pm me or start your own thread.

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:35pm: wally1 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:32pm: We're here to have fun sparky, stop being the fun police.ANd I congratulate you on your ability to read. So when you were going on about Christianity being a false religion and the other stuff you were accepting others beliefs? That was having fun? That stuff you've been writing about Jews would get Adolf Hitler off. He wouldn't like the atheist stuff because he was one. I'm talking about the humour in this thread If you want to cry then go pm me or start your own thread.

I don't find radical Muslims funny at all.

Sparky wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm:

I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree.

This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture.

Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails.

Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over. They drive people out. They own most of the suburbs in that area. So much for integration.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Among other reasons, the truth about the high rate of unemployment among immigrant Muslims is that the Middle East's patriarchal culture deems it to be demeaning for a man to be seen working hard to support his family. It's all a matter of 'losing face' in Middle Eastern male-dominated societies. You lose respect by the degree that you have to 'labour' for a living. This means you're an idiot and an 'ass'. And so Muslims tend to gravitate either to the professions, or to 'work' that involves a minimum of actual physical effort. Security personnel ... taxi-driver ... shop-keeper ... ticket collector ...etc. It's all about social status. Maintaining 'face' and family pride and dignity.

Who cares what people do for a living.Im all for peopl working to provide for there families regardless of what jobs they do.

Sparky wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails. Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over.

I see. But how do they take over if they’re all mendicant, sedentary victimhood cultists at home pretending to be sick?

Do they employ decent, hardworking people like Herbie in their Leb shops and businesses?

wally1 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:37pm: Among other reasons, the truth about the high rate of unemployment among immigrant Muslims is that the Middle East's patriarchal culture deems it to be demeaning for a man to be seen working hard to support his family. It's all a matter of 'losing face' in Middle Eastern male-dominated societies. You lose respect by the degree that you have to 'labour' for a living. This means you're an idiot and an 'ass'. And so Muslims tend to gravitate either to the professions, or to 'work' that involves a minimum of actual physical effort. Security personnel ... taxi-driver ... shop-keeper ... ticket collector ...etc. It's all about social status. Maintaining 'face' and family pride and dignity.     Who cares what people do for a living.Im all for peopl working to provide for there families regardless of what jobs they do.

Oh yes, and this is just what the leftist media and PC police would like you to think.

Unfortunately, using data sourced from Pickering and Sparky’s mate in Granville, we know that this is far from the truth.

These people don’t work - they consider this to be beneath them. Instead, they staff their hairdressers, repair shops, real estate agencies, fruit shops, kebab joints and taxi and security businesses with decent, hardworking immigrants like Herbie.

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 4:57pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails. Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over. I see. But how do they take over if they’re all mendicant, sedentary victimhood cultists at home pretending to be sick? Do they employ decent, hardworking people like Herbie in their Leb shops and businesses?

Not all Lebanese people are lawless thugs but there's a significant amount who are destroying these suburbs. Do you have your head in the sand or something Karnal?

Sparky wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 4:57pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails. Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over. I see. But how do they take over if they’re all mendicant, sedentary victimhood cultists at home pretending to be sick? Do they employ decent, hardworking people like Herbie in their Leb shops and businesses? Not all Lebanese people are lawless thugs but there's a significant amount who are destroying these suburbs. Do you have your head in the sand or something Karnal?

Not at all. I only live in this suburb. I’m probably not as in the know as you are, Sparky.

And it’s not all Lebs, only 80% of them, the majority Christian ones included.

For God’s sake, read Pickering. It’s all there.

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 4:57pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails. Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over. I see. But how do they take over if they’re all mendicant, sedentary victimhood cultists at home pretending to be sick? Do they employ decent, hardworking people like Herbie in their Leb shops and businesses? Not all Lebanese people are lawless thugs but there's a significant amount who are destroying these suburbs. Do you have your head in the sand or something Karnal? Not at all. I only live in this suburb. I’m probably not as in the know as you are, Sparky.

So Lakemba , Auburn, Guildford, Merrylands, Granville etc etc are peaceful places where a blonde haired Aussie kid could walk safely around at night or any other time.

Sparky wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:30pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 4:57pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails. Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over. I see. But how do they take over if they’re all mendicant, sedentary victimhood cultists at home pretending to be sick? Do they employ decent, hardworking people like Herbie in their Leb shops and businesses? Not all Lebanese people are lawless thugs but there's a significant amount who are destroying these suburbs. Do you have your head in the sand or something Karnal? Not at all. I only live in this suburb. I’m probably not as in the know as you are, Sparky. So Lakemba , Auburn, Guildford, Merrylands, Granville etc etc are peaceful places where a blonde haired Aussie kid could walk safely around at night or any other time.

Absolutely not. I have to fight the taxi drivers and kebab dealers off every time I go out at night.

It’s the blond hair, you see. They only target whitey.

Probably because they think we’re inferior - a colonial legacy, if you will, of us working in their shops.

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 5:40pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:33pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:30pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 4:57pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails. Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over. I see. But how do they take over if they’re all mendicant, sedentary victimhood cultists at home pretending to be sick? Do they employ decent, hardworking people like Herbie in their Leb shops and businesses? Not all Lebanese people are lawless thugs but there's a significant amount who are destroying these suburbs. Do you have your head in the sand or something Karnal? Not at all. I only live in this suburb. I’m probably not as in the know as you are, Sparky. So Lakemba , Auburn, Guildford, Merrylands, Granville etc etc are peaceful places where a blonde haired Aussie kid could walk safely around at night or any other time. Absolutely not. I have to fight the taxi drivers and kebab dealers off every time I go out at night. It’s the blond hair, you see. They only target whitey. Probably because they think we’re inferior - a colonial legacy, if you will, of us working in their shops.

You are telling fibs. I lived in that area and many of my mates used to live in those areas. They are dangerous and you know it. You won't admit to it because it doesn't coincide with you multicult wet dream reality. I don't even know why I'm arguing with you. You are a Paki aren't you. How do you know what it's like to be a skippy and a leb suburb. The Indians cop it though.

Sparky wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:40pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:33pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:30pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:27pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 4:57pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:59pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:54pm: Sparky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:43pm: I believe also Herbert that Aussies for instance want to be part of Australian society and benefit it. Many Muslims dislike our society and feel they don't need to give anything. They teach their children to go against Christian societies and to ignore their education. They then end up poorly educated but still want what everybody else want. That's why they do dodgy things like crime and ripping old ladies off by charging $6,000 to chop down a tree. This is a stereo-type of our aboriginal culture. Mendicant, sedentary, victimhood-cultist, entitlement enthusiasts, others-to-blame for their poverty and over-representation in our jails. Very true. My mate is leaving Granville Sydney for Queensland because the Lebs have destroyed that part of Sydney. Loads of people have left already. That's how they take areas over. I see. But how do they take over if they’re all mendicant, sedentary victimhood cultists at home pretending to be sick? Do they employ decent, hardworking people like Herbie in their Leb shops and businesses? Not all Lebanese people are lawless thugs but there's a significant amount who are destroying these suburbs. Do you have your head in the sand or something Karnal? Not at all. I only live in this suburb. I’m probably not as in the know as you are, Sparky. So Lakemba , Auburn, Guildford, Merrylands, Granville etc etc are peaceful places where a blonde haired Aussie kid could walk safely around at night or any other time. Absolutely not. I have to fight the taxi drivers and kebab dealers off every time I go out at night. It’s the blond hair, you see. They only target whitey. Probably because they think we’re inferior - a colonial legacy, if you will, of us working in their shops. You are telling fibs. I lived in that area and many of my mates used to live in those areas. They are dangerous and you know it. You won't admit to it because it doesn't coincide with you multicult wet dream reality. I don't even know why I'm arguing with you. You are a Paki aren't you. How do you know what it's like to be a skippy and a leb suburb. The Indians cop it though.

You are telling fibs: you don't have any mates.

I know, Sparky. Like I said, you clearly know a lot more than me about this issue.

I’m glad you went back and read Pickering. I do think he sets the standard for this debate, don’t you?

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 5:50pm:

I know, Sparky. Like I said, you clearly know a lot more than me about this issue. I’m glad you went back and read Pickering. I do think he sets the standard for this debate, don’t you?

I concede. You know more Karnal. I'm sorry for posting.

Sparky wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 5:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:50pm: I know, Sparky. Like I said, you clearly know a lot more than me about this issue. I’m glad you went back and read Pickering. I do think he sets the standard for this debate, don’t you? I concede. You know more Karnal. I'm sorry for posting.

No no, please don’t be, You raise some excellent points, Sparky.

The one about Pakis was up there with Pickering.

oh man, I just noticed this thread...

Don’t you start. It’s people like you Pickering’s talking about.

Good-for-nothings, the lot of you.

Herbie’s trying to bring back the electric chair, but that’s too good for your type.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 8:31pm:

oh man, I just noticed this thread...

;D ;D ;D

Are you going to use a brush-and-pan or a bulldozer?

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Herbie’s trying to bring back the electric chair, but that’s too good for your type.

Only if it's solar-powered. We don't want to upset the Greenies.

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 4:01am: Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 3:38am: Maybe now everybody knows about this, we can throw all the Muslims out of our country and spend all those billions on our own kind. Outlawing Islam as the conquering imperialistic power that it is, and stripping it's false status as a religion... Good point, Pete. Can we do something with the death penalty too? Herbie’s been looking for creative ways to use it. Could we execture, for example, truth deniers?

I don't think it would take more than a large number of people pointing out the sheer buffoonery they have been indoctrinated to believe.
The absence of a history of Mecca prior to the 4th century AD, and the geographical impossibility of Islamic so-called "tradition", is a message that can be brought to them by Christians, Jews, agnostics, and atheists as well.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/

Indeed if atheists and agnostics don't get involved as well, they will be responsible for consigning their heirs to being compelled to prostrate themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and kaaba 5 times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Atheists are currently suffering persecution in Islamic countries as well.

Sadly atheists and agnostics can only see half the picture. it's a lot easier once someone can see the two sides and understand the spiritual nature of this struggle.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muhammad_islam_in_bible_prophecy.htm#the_conflict

True, Pete. I guess it takes someone with a spiritual understanding of the battle to uncover the true unemployment and child removal statistics of the Muselman.

Only someone properly educated in the Word of Gud can apply such qualitative analysis of these statistics as Herbie, to show how the Muselman thinks he's too good to work - how he bypasses all Centrelink processes to get onto the pension, and how he has his children cunningly removed by the state so that his family can get paid $217 a week to look after them.

Only people with an intimate knowledge of the facts, such as Sparky and his mates, can show how the Muslim streets are unsafe at night for kids with blond hair.

Granville, of course, is a predominantly Lebanese Christian suburb, but only someone with the right spiritual grounding can show us how it's really the centre of the global Islamic caliphate and a hotbed of Islamic terrorism.

I agree. If atheists and agnostics don't join forces with their spiritual brothers and sisters to spread the truth, people might get things terribly wrong.

Stop the boats.

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:22am:

True, Pete. I guess it takes someone with a spiritual understanding of the battle to uncover the true unemployment and child removal statistics of the Muselman. Only someone properly educated in the Word of Gud can apply such qualitative analysis of these statistics as Herbie, to show how the Muselman thinks he's too good to work - how he bypasses all Centrelink processes to get onto the pension, and how he has his children cunningly removed by the state so that his family can get paid $217 a week to look after them. Only people with an intimate knowledge of the facts, such as Sparky and his mates, can show how the Muslim streets are unsafe at night for kids with blond hair. Granville, of course, is a predominantly Lebanese Christian suburb, but only someone with the right spiritual grounding can show us how it's really the centre of the global Islamic caliphate and a hotbed of Islamic terrorism. I agree. If atheists and agnostics don't join forces with their spiritual brothers and sisters to spread the truth, people might get things terribly wrong.

Maybe sparky should also question his fellow white aussies who routinely belt, attack and punch people who are enjoying the nights at the kings cross and surrounding suburbs.

God already has, my child, according to the new one!

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 10:22am: True, Pete. I guess it takes someone with a spiritual understanding of the battle to uncover the true unemployment and child removal statistics of the Muselman. Only someone properly educated in the Word of Gud can apply such qualitative analysis of these statistics as Herbie, to show how the Muselman thinks he's too good to work - how he bypasses all Centrelink processes to get onto the pension, and how he has his children cunningly removed by the state so that his family can get paid $217 a week to look after them. Only people with an intimate knowledge of the facts, such as Sparky and his mates, can show how the Muslim streets are unsafe at night for kids with blond hair. Granville, of course, is a predominantly Lebanese Christian suburb, but only someone with the right spiritual grounding can show us how it's really the centre of the global Islamic caliphate and a hotbed of Islamic terrorism. I agree. If atheists and agnostics don't join forces with their spiritual brothers and sisters to spread the truth, people might get things terribly wrong. Maybe sparky should also question his fellow white aussies who routinely belt, attack and punch people who are enjoying the nights at the kings cross and surrounding suburbs.

True, Wally. I'm sure Sparky would love to get out and do a tripartite research study into who's clobbering whom. He's already posed the great Aussie sport of curry bashing - a dilemma I know he is keen to address.

This, I think, will make a welcome addition in the criminological literature to the work of Pickering, L. (2013).

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 10:22am: True, Pete. I guess it takes someone with a spiritual understanding of the battle to uncover the true unemployment and child removal statistics of the Muselman. Only someone properly educated in the Word of Gud can apply such qualitative analysis of these statistics as Herbie, to show how the Muselman thinks he's too good to work - how he bypasses all Centrelink processes to get onto the pension, and how he has his children cunningly removed by the state so that his family can get paid $217 a week to look after them. Only people with an intimate knowledge of the facts, such as Sparky and his mates, can show how the Muslim streets are unsafe at night for kids with blond hair. Granville, of course, is a predominantly Lebanese Christian suburb, but only someone with the right spiritual grounding can show us how it's really the centre of the global Islamic caliphate and a hotbed of Islamic terrorism. I agree. If atheists and agnostics don't join forces with their spiritual brothers and sisters to spread the truth, people might get things terribly wrong. Maybe sparky should also question his fellow white aussies who routinely belt, attack and punch people who are enjoying the nights at the kings cross and surrounding suburbs.

Plenty of your boys are involved in that Wally.

Pickering again. Brilliant!

;D ;D ;D


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Iranian boat people are “economic migrants”, said Bob Carr to a dismayed Green alliance not accustomed to hearing the truth from its Labor partners. Most of the trouble seen in detention centres is from an influx of well-shod Iranian arrivals who believed the smugglers’ tales of a Southern Shangri La where free money falls like manna, if you promise not to work.

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Iran (believe it or not the title is derived from ‘Aryan’) provides social services, including unemployment benefits, even for women, and is ranked as an upper-middle income economy by the World Bank, so why the hell were law-abiding Iranians with nose jobs and laptops flooding here on boats from Indonesia?

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The ABC recently reported, “Iran's poor economy and religious, political and racial persecution is blamed for refugees.”... what a load of frog droppings... and typical of the ABC!

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Iranian boat people are “economic migrants”, said Bob Carr to a dismayed Green alliance not accustomed to hearing the truth from its Labor partners.

Wrong

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544
http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-boat-people-economic-migrants/
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601

These are called sources Herbert.  Perhaps one day Pickering will be introduced to the concept, but that is not the age we are currently living in.

Title of article quoted for irony.


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ONE OCCASION CARR WAS CORRECT

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Foreign Minister Bob Carr says people arriving in Australia recently by boat are not refugees fleeing persecution, but economic migrants. "They're not people fleeing persecution. They're coming from majority religious or ethnic groups in the countries they're fleeing, they're coming here as economic migrants," Senator Carr told Lateline on June 26, 2013. Two days later in Indonesia, Senator Carr was asked what evidence he had to support that assertion. "I would need to get that out of our, out of the Immigration Department, but as I've looked at data about recent vessels, it's just been, it's been 100 per cent, it's been 100 per cent," he said.

Well said, Foreign Minister.


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“People are coming here, not now as a result of persecution, but because they’re economic refugees who have paid money to people smugglers.” - Foreign minister Bob Carr, Meet the Press, June 9.

Good onya, Bob.

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Wrong

Herb's flogged this dead horse before. I'm pretty sure he resorted to personal abuse when he ran out of arguments.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 5:46pm: Wrong Herb's flogged this dead horse before. I'm pretty sure he resorted to personal abuse when he ran out of arguments.

Wrong

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Herb's flogged this dead horse before. I'm pretty sure he resorted to personal abuse when he ran out of arguments.

I'm happy to continue our previous discussion herbert.  i believe it ended here with you giving me the finger and running away with as much evidence as Bob Carr (none)

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384201655/193

Quoting Pickering - how embarrassing.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Quoting Pickering - how embarrassing.

Close your eyes and cover your ears, and consider yourself informed - because YOU have an opinion ?

How embarrassing, and 'clever' of you.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Quoting Pickering - how embarrassing.

Oh no, he’s one of the sources on the Islam board - along with One Nation bumper stickers.

Pickering’s part of the Western canon here.

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 4:11pm: Iranian boat people are “economic migrants”, said Bob Carr to a dismayed Green alliance not accustomed to hearing the truth from its Labor partners. Wrong http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544 http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-boat-people-economic-migrants/ http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601 These are called sources Herbert.

Are you saying Bob Carr lied?

Did Dudd back Bob Carr up with your sources?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

Are you saying Bob Carr lied?

not quite sure if having zero facts to back up your argument is quite lying.

Also not me saying it, it's everyone who has looked into his claim.

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 10:38pm: Are you saying Bob Carr lied? not quite sure if having zero facts to back up your argument is quite lying. Also not me saying it, it's everyone who has looked into his claim.

So Morrison was not lying when  he had zero facts on what happened on Anus Island?

Are you saying if you have zero facts to back it up it is not a lie?

Craig Thomson had zero facts to back up his cock and bull story are you saying he did not lie either?

Bob said these were economic migrants and not refugees that is a fact.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:04pm:

Are you saying if you have zero facts to back it up it is not a lie?

it might be, it might not be.  it is what it is, an unsubstantiated claim.


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:04pm:

Bob said these were economic migrants and not refugees that is a fact.

Oh I do enjoy these discussions.  So where is the proof in these facts?  Other than Bob Carr's quote, which you have clearly been shown is inaccurate.

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 11:04pm: Are you saying if you have zero facts to back it up it is not a lie? it might be, it might not be.  it is what it is, an unsubstantiated claim. Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 11:04pm: Bob said these were economic migrants and not refugees that is a fact. Oh I do enjoy these discussions.  So where is the proof in these facts?  Other than Bob Carr's quote, which you have clearly been shown is inaccurate.

Did Bob say it, well then it is a fact he said it, your link even says Dudd backed him up.

The leftists are in damage control because the truth has come out.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:14pm:

The leftists are in damage control because the truth has come out.

So you have evidence Bob Carr's quote was accurate?  That 100% of boat people are economic migrants?

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 11:14pm: The leftists are in damage control because the truth has come out. So you have evidence Bob Carr's quote was accurate?  That 100% of boat people are economic migrants?

Bob said they were economic migrants and not refugees.

I see leftists trying to change what Bob actually said into something else because the truth hurts.

The Sri Lankan high commissioner said the Sri Lankans were economic migrants.

There were 4 boat people in detention when Dudd dismantled the Pacific solution, how did labor's non solution work out?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:

Bob said they were economic migrants and not refugees.

And he was wrong and you have been shown why


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:

The Sri Lankan high commissioner said the Sri Lankans were economic migrants.

Doesn't make it true.  Especially given the treatment of Tamils after the civil war, there are many that could have genuine claims to asylum.


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:

There were 4 boat people in detention when Dudd dismantled the Pacific solution, how did labor's non solution work out?

You ah, wouldn't be trying to change the subject now would you? 

Come on Baron, proof that Bob's claim was accurate.  Or go and join Herbert and Pickering on the pile of people who don't have any facts to back up their opinions.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:

Bob said they were economic migrants and not refugees. I see leftists trying to change what Bob actually said into something else because the truth hurts.

Um no Baron, leftists are saying Bob was full of sh!t when he said that - because he was.

'Truth' is usually defined by what is true - and to be true, it generally requires facts. Bob produced zero facts, and he was refuted by just about everyone except the conga line - like you.

Quite simply, Bob's Carr's claim was:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4853840-3x2-340x227.png

Dnarever wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Quoting Pickering - how embarrassing.

For the luvvies ~ yes indeed.

There have been stories over the years of how people who have been blind since childhood due to some trauma have bumped their head many years later in adulthood and regained their sight because something shifted in their brain.

Pickering is one of these.

I remember him decades ago as a militant Lefty who used to parrot all the soft-cock platitudes, and press all the politically correct luvvie-buttons.

And so it's with more than a little fascination that I find him all these years later completely cured of the nonsense that once had him in its iron grip.

The message is: All you small-'L' liberals who are suffering from homosexual haemorrhoids and Leftwingitis ~ there's hope for you yet.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

For the luvvies ~ yes indeed.

So is there any evidence to support his claim yet? 

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 11:37pm: Bob said they were economic migrants and not refugees. I see leftists trying to change what Bob actually said into something else because the truth hurts. Um no Baron, leftists are saying Bob was full of sh!t when he said that - because he was. 'Truth' is usually defined by what is true - and to be true, it generally requires facts. Bob produced zero facts, and he was refuted by just about everyone except the conga line - like you. Quite simply, Bob's Carr's claim was: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4853840-3x2-340x227.png

Are you saying Bob lied?

yes I am Baron.

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 11:37pm: Bob said they were economic migrants and not refugees. And he was wrong and you have been shown why Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 11:37pm: The Sri Lankan high commissioner said the Sri Lankans were economic migrants. Doesn't make it true.  Especially given the treatment of Tamils after the civil war, there are many that could have genuine claims to asylum. Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 11:37pm: There were 4 boat people in detention when Dudd dismantled the Pacific solution, how did labor's non solution work out? You ah, wouldn't be trying to change the subject now would you?  Come on Baron, proof that Bob's claim was accurate.  Or go and join Herbert and Pickering on the pile of people who don't have any facts to back up their opinions.

If he was wrong then he lied.
Are you also saying the Sri Lankan high commissioner is a liar?

I reckon Bob was telling the truth, 3200 out of 3237 boat people surveyed who flew into Indonesia disposed of their passports before coming to Australia.
A genuine refugee would have no reason to dispose of their passport after flying into Indonesia, if they fly into Indonesia with a passport they could take the cheaper option of flying into Australia over paying outrageous fees to people smugglers.

Of course the leftists will say liberals are liars if they say something that is not true, a bit of a double standard from the leftists IMO.

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If he was wrong then he lied.

Well done Baron *claps hands*


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

if they fly into Indonesia with a passport they could take the cheaper option of flying into Australia

yes Baron - all they have to do is get a tourist visa from the Australian government - which they will not grant, but that doesn't matter does it?


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Of course the leftists will say liberals are liars if they say something that is not true, a bit of a double standard from the leftists IMO.

It would be double standards if your strawman wasn't a strawman. But it is - none of the "leftists" here are claiming Bob Carr didn't lie - he did lie, and he did it to get the sympathies of the bigots - who will happily ingest all the baseless, ignorant innuendo against refugees - because they are thick-headed bigots who don't care about the facts- only innuendo against tinted people.

Did Carr's lie make you feel tempted to vote labor Baron? Just asking.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

I reckon Bob was telling the truth, 3200 out of 3237 boat people surveyed who flew into Indonesia disposed of their passports before coming to Australia.

oh, you "reckon". Well case closed obviously. 


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

A genuine refugee would have no reason to dispose of their passport after flying into Indonesia

Mostly they are gotten rid of at the behest of the people smugglers.  This has no bearing on whether they are genuine refugees or not though.


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Of course the leftists will say liberals are liars if they say something that is not true

I've shown you why I believe it not to be true, in the three sources posted yesterday, and you can look at here

Stratos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/482... http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-b... http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants...

So, why do you believe that they are all economic migrants, despite the single piece of evidence you have shown has been refuted in three separate articles?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:32pm: if they fly into Indonesia with a passport they could take the cheaper option of flying into Australia yes Baron - all they have to do is get a tourist visa from the Australian government - which they will not grant, but that doesn't matter does it?

Rightly so, because the "asylum seekers" are neither bona fide tourists, nor bona fide asylum seekers.

They are moslem economic refugees [without any identified employment skills], who want to enter Australia, and who want to qualify as Australian welfare recipients.

And the current Australian government is trying its darnedest to keep those types of people out of Australia.
..... i.e. persons who are unlikely to contribute to the 'common-wealth' of Australia.

And then there is the issue of most of these persons being Jihadists [.... imo, EVERY moslem is a Jihadist.       some moslems feel themselves powerless to contribute actively to fighting local infidels, and are currently quietly biding their time.         while other moslems are 'radicalised' [i.e. empowered] moslems, i.e. active Jihadists, engaged in violence or plotting against infidels and how to best weaken the infidel state ]

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:32pm: A genuine refugee would have no reason to dispose of their passport after flying into Indonesia Mostly they are gotten rid of at the behest of the people smugglers.  This has no bearing on whether they are genuine refugees or not though.

"Oh i'm a refugee, and i need to get rid of my identity documents because that will help to prove that i'm a bona fide refugee - YES, AS A LEGITIMATE REFUGEE, I CAN SEE THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!"

NOT!

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Quote: If he was wrong then he lied. Well done Baron *claps hands* Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:32pm: if they fly into Indonesia with a passport they could take the cheaper option of flying into Australia yes Baron - all they have to do is get a tourist visa from the Australian government - which they will not grant, but that doesn't matter does it? Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:32pm: Of course the leftists will say liberals are liars if they say something that is not true, a bit of a double standard from the leftists IMO. It would be double standards if your strawman wasn't a strawman. But it is - none of the "leftists" here are claiming Bob Carr didn't lie - he did lie, and he did it to get the sympathies of the bigots - who will happily ingest all the baseless, ignorant innuendo against refugees - because they are thick-headed bigots who don't care about the facts- only innuendo against tinted people. Did Carr's lie make you feel tempted to vote labor Baron? Just asking.

I have voted Labor in the past when i was young and stupid, we all make mistakes nobody is perfect,i dont vote by party i vote by who deals with issues that concern me

Australia promotes itself as a tourist destination, i call bullshit on not being able to get a tourist visa, perhaps they fail the background check for tourist visas,Mike Tyson and Snoop Dog have difficulty with visas because of criminal convictions in the USA

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Rightly so, because the "asylum seekers" are neither bona fide tourists, nor bona fide asylum seekers. They are moslem economic refugees [without any identified employment skills],

Any evidence?  At all?

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

"Oh i'm a refugee, and i need to get rid of my identity documents because that will help to prove that i'm a bona fide refugee - YES, AS A LEGITIMATE REFUGEE, I CAN SEE THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!

Never said it did.  it doesn't prove they are genuine, it doesn't prove they aren't. 

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:45pm: Quote: If he was wrong then he lied. Well done Baron *claps hands* Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:32pm: if they fly into Indonesia with a passport they could take the cheaper option of flying into Australia yes Baron - all they have to do is get a tourist visa from the Australian government - which they will not grant, but that doesn't matter does it? Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:32pm: Of course the leftists will say liberals are liars if they say something that is not true, a bit of a double standard from the leftists IMO. It would be double standards if your strawman wasn't a strawman. But it is - none of the "leftists" here are claiming Bob Carr didn't lie - he did lie, and he did it to get the sympathies of the bigots - who will happily ingest all the baseless, ignorant innuendo against refugees - because they are thick-headed bigots who don't care about the facts- only innuendo against tinted people. Did Carr's lie make you feel tempted to vote labor Baron? Just asking. I have voted Labor in the past when i was young and stupid, we all make mistakes nobody is perfect,i dont vote by party i vote by who deals with issues that concern me Australia promotes itself as a tourist destination, i call bullshit on not being able to get a tourist visa, perhaps they fail the background check for tourist visas, Mike Tyson and Snoop Dog have difficulty with visas because of criminal convictions in the USA

It would be difficult to 'qualify' for a tourist visa, without any identity documents too!
[...though i have heard it reported that the "refugees" destroy their ID docs after leaving indonesia]

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 6:56pm: "Oh i'm a refugee, and i need to get rid of my identity documents because that will help to prove that i'm a bona fide refugee - YES, AS A LEGITIMATE REFUGEE, I CAN SEE THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE! Never said it did.  it doesn't prove they are genuine, it doesn't prove they aren't.

Stratos,

It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

Duh!!!

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

People smugglers take them as part of the agreement.  This proves neither that they are genuine or otherwise.

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:13pm: It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!! People smugglers take them as part of the agreement.

Why would a person claiming to be refugee surrender/dispose of their identity documents - except for nefarious purposes - when those identity documents could help to prove their claims ?

It doesn't make sense - to a reasonable person.i
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This [disposing of their identity documents] proves neither that they are genuine or otherwise.

Stratos,

It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

Duh!!!

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:19pm: Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:13pm: It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!! People smugglers take them as part of the agreement. Why would a person claiming to be refugee surrender/dispose of their identity documents - except for nefarious purposes - when those identity documents could help to prove their claims ? It doesn't make sense - to a reasonable person.

"except for nefarious purposes"

These persons who are claiming to be refugees are surrendering their identity documents which will become a facility [i.e. providing the means] for providing false identities to others!!!

These persons who are claiming to be refugees are engaging in criminal activities - in facilitating a trade in false identities.

They are persons with demonstrated criminal inclinations.

All this is very interesting distraction Yadda, but you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that  the refugees are economic migrants, or even that they are not refugees.


Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

These persons who are claiming to be refugees are engaging in criminal activities - in facilitating a trade in false identities.

It is not illegal to do this for the purposes of seeking asylum.

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

All this is very interesting distraction Yadda, but you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that  the refugees are economic migrants, or even that they are not refugees.

Yeah, they are just poor refugees.

And each of them has $10's K, and are able to travel 1/2 way around the planet - just to find a place of sanctuary.        :P

......just so as to come live among filthy infidels.

......coz moslems are really friendly people.



"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193i




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Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2014 at 7:42pm: These persons who are claiming to be refugees are engaging in criminal activities - in facilitating a trade in false identities. It is not illegal to do this for the purposes of seeking asylum.

And murder people who don't believe what you believe ?

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Yeah, they are just poor refugees.

Being poor has nothing to do with being a refugee


Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

And each of them has $10's K, and are able to travel 1/2 way around the planet - just to find a place of sanctuary.

neither does being rich

And a lot of Biblical verses which prove nothing about the legitimacy of refugees.

Try harder Yadda, you have no leg to stand on, just like Bob Carr

My my, isn't it quiet in here.

You all seemed so sure, wonder where you all went....

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Have you noticed the sulky petulance and the recourse to childish exaggeration and the angry silliness the Truth Deniers here are left with as their only response to the likes of Ackerman, Bolt, Pickering, Pat Condell, Miranda Devine, Melanie Phillips, Mark Steyne and the scores of other Post-Political Correctness scribes? They're a little tardy in abandoning the Pop Cult PC industry for the Junk Ideology that it always was. While most thinking people have broken free of the artificial constraints imposed upon them by the now-defunct cult of PC dogma, there are still far too many who are reluctant to relinquish the vain delusions of moral superiority that this cult allowed them. Come on you guys! Take your hand off it and use your brain for critical analysis instead of letting it stagnate as a repository for defunct leftwing ideologies.

Herbert believes what these people write because he wants to believe. They share the same prejudices.

Whether their scribblings are true, or false, is incidental.

Bolt, for one, has been shown on more than one occasion to be careless with the truth, lazy and failing to check his sources.

Doesn't matter. Herbert will believe him, anyway.

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Pickering again not afraid to upset the luvvies ..

Thought he liked Chris Pyne ??