Can there be any doubt that since these basta@ds got into govt they and their business mates have launched a co-ordinated vicious war on the 99% whilst preparing the ground to stick their snouts ever more deeply into the trough.  Their attacks on worker pay and conditions and on benefits for the poor and disadvantaged have been relentless whilst at the same time reducing the tax rate for corps and announcing their intention to reduce the tax rate for small business, and again, all being done whilst repeatedly calling for virtually every facet of workers pay and conditions to be cut.  That Abbott speech in Davros brought it out into the open. They've unsheathed their knives and that murderous mob is heading our way.   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Can there be any doubt that since these basta@ds got into govt they and their business mates have launched a co-ordinated vicious war on the 99% whilst preparing the ground to stick their snouts ever more deeply into the trough.  Their attacks on worker pay and conditions and on benefits for the poor and disadvantaged have been relentless whilst at the same time reducing the tax rate for corps and announcing their intention to reduce the tax rate for small business, and again, all being done whilst repeatedly calling for virtually every facet of workers pay and conditions to be cut.  That Abbott speech in Davros brought it out into the open. They've unsheathed their knives and that murderous mob is heading our way.

ANYONE SEEN HENNY PENNY    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

For a group of pollies who said before the election that the blame game would stop and they would be fully responsible for what happens after they were elected they sure spend a lot of time demonising and blaming as many people as they can.

There there comrade Sparty old bean.....the blokes in the white coats are on their way.....pop a pill....sip on a latte....hug a tree...you'll be right in no time. ;D

http://www.armageddononline.org/forums/images/newsmilies/whacky110.gif

And remember they also said they intended to govern for all . Turns out what they meant was raid the store for their mates and assault the rest

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

And remember they also said they intended to govern for all . Turns out what they meant was raid the store for their mates and assault the rest

Run inside look the doors their  coming to get ya   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

There there comrade Sparty old bean.....the blokes in the white coats are on their way.....pop a pill....sip on a latte....hug a tree...you'll be right in no time. ;D http://www.armageddononline.org/forums/images/newsmilies/whacky110.gif

And this is one of their foot soldiers.  Literally does not stop calling for cuts to wages conditions, and benefits and continually justifies and calls for tax cuts and tax handout for him and his mates and increases in the GST and Online trading for the rest of us.  If you doubt that the class war is on just go back through his posts and see. 

What Abbott is saying that the days of the working class being able to afford housing, transport, food and holidays are over.
Its time they lived like the working class in Asia..this is Abbotts vision for Australias working class

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/myfiles/Images/2013/07/06/wr05_big.jpg

adelcrow wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

What Abbott is saying that the days of the working class being able to afford housing, transport, food and holidays are over. Its time they lived like the working class in Asia..this is Abbotts vision for Australias working class http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/myfiles/Images/2013/07/06/wr05_big.jpg

Yes and how often do we see the conalition supporters in this forum saying just that. Acquascoot calls us arrogant to assume that we should be paid at a higher rate an hour then our chinese counterparts. And how many of them leaped in support of Gena's $2 an hour   

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/myfiles/Images/2013/07/06/wr05_big.jpg

Looks to me more like the luvvies dream result of diversity and open borders. 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 9:48am: What Abbott is saying that the days of the working class being able to afford housing, transport, food and holidays are over. Its time they lived like the working class in Asia..this is Abbotts vision for Australias working class http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/myfiles/Images/2013/07/06/wr05_big.jpg Yes and how often do we see the conalition supporters in this forum saying just that. Acquascoot calls us arrogant to assume that we should be paid at a higher rate an hour then our chinese counterparts. And how many of them leaped in support of Gena's $2 an hour

Have you got links to that rave?   ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn36l_z3WY



:D

Datalife wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/myfiles/Images/2013/07/06/wr05_big.jpg Looks to me more like the luvvies dream result of diversity and open borders.

Ahh yes, expressing contempt for those who have it tougher than you. No prizes for guessing where you line up in all this. 

The labrats are their own worst enemy. They are engaging in their own brand of "class warfare" ........ with themselves! The unions are the upper class socialists; the elite, who control the underlings; the idiots like Wee Willy Shorten who say 'how high'? when the unions say  'jump'. Then there's the sheep like the labrats on this forum who basically spout shite in their desperation to return their political idols back to office, which isn't going to happen any time soon.

I think we need to start looking - instead - at the Grappler contention of The Perpetual Civil War between government of all branches, creeds, whatever... and The People As Sovereign... over who actually has the power and the rights in this Country and whose interests should rightly be upheld as Sovereign.... and every other.

It's a simple proposition really - every genuine upward movement in rights and conditions for ALL has been a grass-roots one - Charles Dickens notwithstanding - and built on the courage of the disadvantaged and the poor who are by no means stupid or unintelligent, just lacking in opportunity.

We are currently - and have been for over thirty years - in the Reactionary Phase of Social Evolution - a reaction to the apparent prosperity of the masses, which is deemed life-threatening to government itself by government itself alone - and this has been shown clearly by the desperate finnagling of the governing classes to disempower and disadvantage The People as much as possible.

Hence the policies of off-shoring and so forth from both sides of 'government', as well as a raft of social issues dredged up and turned into weapons of war by other means using 'law' as their launch pad, accompanied by endless jihads about how some with 'accredited victim status' are so disadvantaged and beaten down that we 'need' to beat down everyone else to give them a chance in life and society.  Feminism is but one example of this phenomenon.

It's all mist for the grill and business as usual - and all part of the endless striving of government for total control (Uberkontrol) over all facets of society and the individuals in it through a Reign of Terror, active impoverishment for dissent, and personal jihad under socio-fascist 'law'.

Oddly, with the impending retirement of 'The Baby Boomer Generation' - the very prosperity wrought by their efforts in many ways both socially and economically to provide a better world for their children than they had - has resulted in generations X Y Z and then back to A (I assume) - who have neither the gorm nor the intellect to actually even see what is going on - let alone the gorm to actually DO anything other than rely on their by now time-honoured 'learned responses from academia' to offer a few words but no action - spitballs against tank armour.... while figuring out how to feather their own nests further despite the doom and poverty for many others.

Somebody Save Private Ryan so he can tell them all the truth.... a generation gone with the wind..... or gone with the mind filled with 'larnin' stuff......

Governments of all ilks (all socio-fascists) have succeeded in their aim of splitting us all against one another in many ways - and you need only look here, in OzPolitic, for the vastly wide range of views from a vastly wide range of social demographics, and the often virulent way they attack one another.

Vote 1 - Grappler for Il Presidente, Benevoent Diktator to the Masses.

viewpoint wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

who basically spout shite in their desperation to return their political idols back to office

that actually sounds a lot like what you are doing right now !!! Are you capable of posting a decent comment without going on a maniacal rant?

viewpoint wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

The labrats are their own worst enemy. They are engaging in their own brand of "class warfare" ........ with themselves! The unions are the upper class socialists; the elite, who control the underlings; the idiots like Wee Willy Shorten who say 'how high'? when the unions say  'jump'. Then there's the sheep like the labrats on this forum who basically spout shite in their desperation to return their political idols back to office, which isn't going to happen any time soon.

Of course you hate the unions. You hate to see workers organised to protect themselves against your assault. You and your gang of thugs would much rather deal with them one by one. But the employer's association (recently renewed calls for penalty rates to go) you have no problem with that union do you; the chamber of commerce, the business persons union (recently called for lower tax rate for small business) you have no problem with that union do you; the farmers federation (constantly with its hand out for subsidies and rabid outspoken critic of socialism) you have no problem with that union do you. Thug

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

viewpoint wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:04am: who basically spout shite in their desperation to return their political idols back to office that actually sounds a lot like what you are doing right now !!! Are you capable of posting a decent comment without going on a maniacal rant?

It's not a matter of you being unable to read is it señora, you lack the ability to understand what you read. The title of this thread required an answer you clown, and I responded with my opinion of idiots like you and the halfwit who started this thread. My "maniacal rant" as you say, was my view of the sad, piss-weak rubbish of the OP.

Like it or lump it, Benito.........or is it señora....... [smiley=laugh.gif]

I strive daily to raise this joint above the level of the gutter - and daily at day's end I bury the dead and count the wounded, and watch a coven of you struggle remorselessly to raise the gutter above the level of this joint.... sometimes in this haunted place of dead souls I feel like a Nouveau Budwing... rising every day to a new life and a new search for identity among the ruins of a once-great civilisation dragged down by the wolves of the internet.......

One day we may all break free to the green fields of the simple pleasure of discussing without feeding........

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-fears-on-welfare-spending-not-justified-says-labor-20140124-31ecw.html

The “review” into welfare won’t produce much saving but will cause much pain. In the “True Believers” thread I show where the real waste is, and the stinking Libs are not going to touch that!

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-fears-on-welfare-spending-not-justified-says-labor-20140124-31ecw.html The “review” into welfare won’t produce much saving but will cause much pain. In the “True Believers” thread I show where the real waste is, and the stinking Libs are not going to touch that!

Work it out - you screw 3 million pensioners and unemployed - who, BTW, pour their cash straight back into the economy where it is recouped in tax after tax as it circulates until it is back in the hands of Big Bro - meaning zero net loss to government from welfare anyway - for $5 a week each - overall grab-back about 3/4 of a billion bucks.  A drop in the toilet for these idiots in Cambra who throw that away on crap every damned day!

That $0.75Bn also is not circulating in the economy at the same speed, and is taken up at a different and most likely slower rate in tax - unless of course it funds Clivagina Miner's lifestyle and goes to Acapulco for a laugh on a whim and NEVER is returned in tax but helps pay for the unearned private jet.

That's one small five bucks for mankind - one GIANT five bucks for a man!

I can never get over these morons in Cambra and their petty stealing from the poor to fund the rich.

I'll be marching on St Patrick's Day.....

ADDS:-  All this is bullshit economics - you do not 'reduce welfare' by cutting it - you transfer it elsewhere in the economy and still pay the bills - one way or the other.  And cutting out the immediate return cash flow from welfare is removing your own solid base of weekly tax revenue, thus further destabilising your own economic moves.

Where these idiots need to make cuts is in the rich welfare sections.  Plenty of good wood to cut there!

ADDS AGAIN:-  That's exactly why I'm going back into business for myself rather than begging for jobs like some beggar in the street.  The only way to make a buck these days is to get all the tax cuts and concessions and even grants to start up - then write it all off on tax every year and live well!

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/paid-parental-leave-a-most-difficult-pregnancy-20140124-31dye.html

The idiocy that is the simian’s pet PPL scheme is fraught with problems. Stupid Greens still set to wave the middleclass welfare measure through, confirming they are conservatives at heart.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/paid-parental-leave-a-most-difficult-pregnancy-20140124-31dye.html The idiocy that is the simian’s pet PPL scheme is fraught with problems. Stupid Greens still set to wave the middleclass welfare measure through, confirming they are conservatives at heart.

Absolutely - the Greens are closet conservatives, as you say, as long as they can see benefit in it for them as well.  Funny how Money changes Everything...  I once did a PTSD course run by a quack who self-avowedly didn't believe in PTSD - he still accepted the funding though... money speaks all languages as long as it says YES.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/tony-abbott-breaks-pension-pledge-on-disability-support-pension-20131225-2zwny.html

http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/01/22/a-workplace-entitlement-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/

PPL 'estimated' at $5.5bn a year - watch it blow out like a honeymoon husband's equipment once people realise they can take six months off and cop a nice earner for it.  I predict a sudden baby boom.....

$5.5bn - hmm - that's one HELL of a lot more than you get for screwing pensioners and unemployed for $5 or even $10 bucks a week......

What are these clowns in that unelected swill group of Tony's using for brains?  A Man Named Vanstone's nuts or her social conscience?

Nope - we have to get rid of this lot as well and soon..

What the coalition is trying to do Spartacus, is to restore some order and sanity in economic terms before this country goes down the tube.
You might think there will be welfare for all who need it when things get bad but you are just so wrong.
You better pray that cost cutting and wage restraint will enable most Australians to survive in this global economy.
But of course you would probably prefer to go out and burn down some banks or something equally constructive and intelligent!

Ideology, politicking, lack of brains.

The Libs should have been spending the last 6 years getting rid of deadwood—deadwood still there. Should have spent the last 6 years working on policy—PPL, a brainfart of Abbott’s—their only damn policy!

Without the white anting by Rudd—Labor would be in their third term and the real waste, those huge tax expenditures on super and FBT. Maybe even negative gearing but I think that needs bipartisan agreement and a carefully worked out scheme. Something like 2 years advanced notice, four for new buildings then reduce the amount of NG that can be claimed each year so in ten years it is phased out.

There should be a law against eating mushrooms and drinking metho so early in the morning.

::)

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

What the coalition is trying to do Spartacus, is to restore some order and sanity in economic terms before this country goes down the tube. You might think there will be welfare for all who need it when things get bad but you are just so wrong. You better pray that cost cutting and wage restraint will enable most Australians to survive in this global economy. But of course you would probably prefer to go out and burn down some banks or something equally constructive and intelligent!

Workers wage increases have stayed well below that of the increases professionals and the millionaire/billionaire elite have enjoyed under a Labor govt. So unless your asking for an Asian style working poor that cant afford basic housing, food, schooling, healthcare etc your gonna have to bring the cost of living down by a massive amount to compensate for the third world wages and conditions you are asking for.
Beating up the working poor is lazy and easy and what most of us expected would happen when the far right hardliners grabbed power.

FriYAY wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

There should be a law against eating mushrooms and drinking metho so early in the morning. ::)

Its 3.30 pm here  :P

Negative gearing George? You're talking about a drop in the bucket in terms of this country's economic problems.
The big problems are trade imbalance and costs of production, as well as things like impediments to innovation.
Just today we read that biotech companies are having to move overseas because they get the support they need there.
Negative gearing might make you feel good but it's not going to solve our economic problems.

You can fix trade imbalance - raise tariffs.  Lower the cost of living here and allow wages to gently land by parachute instead of shooting the plane down... which is what idiots on both sides have been doing for thirty years now.

Every move - privatisation, 'equal' opportunity and so forth, have created a nightmare of rising cost of living - and wages have always been chasing that rise - NOT the other way around.

Look at the results now.  Massive un- and under-employment, excessive wages for some and nothing for others, social and economic imbalances, escalating socio-economic divides, pre-emptive repression of specified social groups (the ones most likely to object and enforce an objection) using illegal 'laws' such as DV, 0.05 (lowest in the world), gun laws, discrimination vilification and so forth, offering a privileged rise to the groups least likely to object and make it stick - women and so forth.

It's been no garden party out there for the past thirty plus years you know - just one hit after another - now you want to throw the whole workforce except the privileged classes into poverty to settle the results of those piss-poor policies.

That'll bring the house down, I can assure you.

Did you miss something in the dismissal of Labrador, and the installation, on probation, of The Mad Monk - One Term
Tony?

adelcrow wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 2:56pm: There should be a law against eating mushrooms and drinking metho so early in the morning. ::) Its 3.30 pm here  :P

Good knows what sort of state Wiseone would be in by now.

Probably needs to borrow a roll of your gaffer tape. :P

viewpoint wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:18am: viewpoint wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:04am: who basically spout shite in their desperation to return their political idols back to office that actually sounds a lot like what you are doing right now !!! Are you capable of posting a decent comment without going on a maniacal rant? It's not a matter of you being unable to read is it señora, you lack the ability to understand what you read. The title of this thread required an answer you clown, and I responded with my opinion of idiots like you and the halfwit who started this thread. My "maniacal rant" as you say, was my view of the sad, piss-weak rubbish of the OP. Like it or lump it, Benito.........or is it señora....... [smiley=laugh.gif]

the title does not require an answer since it was not a question, you idiot. Fell free to comment on any topic but try to do so without going on a rant .... what you wrote wasn't a response, I've heard people about to pass out drunk make more sense than you.

Perhaps thats your problem ... too much turps? glug glug  ;D ;D

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

What the coalition is trying to do Spartacus, is to restore some order and sanity in economic terms before this country goes down the tube. You might think there will be welfare for all who need it when things get bad but you are just so wrong. You better pray that cost cutting and wage restraint will enable most Australians to survive in this global economy. But of course you would probably prefer to go out and burn down some banks or something equally constructive and intelligent!

No! We, like most every country in the developed world are having the exact same problem, because we're competing with china and the rest of the developing world who employ their workers in slave like conditions for slave like wages.  Which has been conalition policy all along and who together with labor have been doing the bidding of the international business elite.  It was always the plan, going back to the 80s (when they started dismantling the trade barriers) that this would happen, so that they could drive down wages and conditions in the developed world and undo the living standard and working conditions that our forefathers took over 200 years to achieve. And which YOU BOGARDE have been the beneficiary of but don't respect or appreciate.     Make no mistake, what Abbott and his minions have been doing ever since they got is Class Warfare 

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

What the coalition is trying to do Spartacus, is to restore some order and sanity in economic terms before this country goes down the tube. You might think there will be welfare for all who need it when things get bad but you are just so wrong. You better pray that cost cutting and wage restraint will enable most Australians to survive in this global economy. But of course you would probably prefer to go out and burn down some banks or something equally constructive and intelligent!

No! We, like most every country in the developed world are having the exact same problem, because we're competing with china and the rest of the developing world who employ their workers in slave like conditions for slave like wages.  Which has been conalition policy all along and who together with labor have been doing the bidding of the international business elite.  It was always the plan, going back to the 80s (when they started dismantling the trade barriers) that this would happen, so that they could drive down wages and conditions in the developed world and undo the living standard and working conditions that our forefathers took over 200 years to achieve. And which YOU BOGARDE have been the beneficiary of but don't respect or appreciate.      

FriYAY wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

There should be a law against eating mushrooms and drinking metho so early in the morning. ::)

Don't do it, well... :o