All Arab countries except Jordan:

Palestinians are not allowed to become citizens of Arab countries, in accordance with Arab League Decree 1547 for 1959, "in order to preserve the Palestinian entity and Palestinian identity." Even in Jordan they can no longer become citizens. (There have been some exceptions: Palestinian Christians in Lebanon in the 1950s, Palestinians born from Egyptian mothers in 2011.)
Palestinians face severe travel restrictions throughout the Arab world. They do not receive passports and their travel documents are only accepted by a few countries.
Palestinians cannot vote or run for office in national elections.
Children born to Palestinians do not get citizenship in their host countries, violating Article 7 of theConvention on the Rights of the Child.

Jordan:
1967: Jordan refused to allow Gazans who came after the Six Day War to become Jordanian citizens.Today some 165,000 Palestinians in Jordan cannot become citizens and get no government services.
1970: 3500-5000 Palestinians killed and 20,000 Palestinians expelled, their camps demolished, in the Black September events.
1988: Jordan revoked citizenship for millions of West Bank Palestinians as they declared "independence." As usual, this move was justified as being for their own good.
2010: Jordan continued to revoke citizenship for thousands more Palestinians
2012: Jordan passed an electoral law that effectively limits the number of Palestinian members of Parliament to less than 10%
2013: Jordan places Palestinian refugees from Syria in special camps that they cannot leave, separate from other refugees, and turns hundreds or thousands back to a dangerous future in Syria.
2014: Palestinians who are citizens are still denied equal rights in the military, and on getting college scholarships and being admitted to some public universities, among other areas.

Egypt:
1948: Placed all Palestine refugees that reached Egypt into camps, forced men to go back to Palestine to fight.
1949: Expelled all Palestinian from Egyptian camps into Gaza. Very few Palestinian Arabs were left in Egypt.
1950: Egypt refused any UNRWA presence on its territory, relegating it to Gaza.
1949 - 1956: Any Palestinians in Egypt were barred from schooling and employment.
2013: Hundreds of Palestinian refugees from Syria placed into jail as they try to enter Egypt
2013-now: Egypt has effectively closed the Rafah border with Gaza, even limiting hospital patients from traveling, effectively imprisoning 1.7 million Gazans.

Lebanon:
1950-58: Would only issue one-way travel documents for Palestinians to leave the country
1962: Palestinians classified as "foreigners":
73 job categories banned for Palestinians until 2010; now there are "only" 50 jobs off limits
They are still banned from working as physicians, journalists, pharmacists or lawyers.
They are not permitted to build new houses or own property, or even to repair their homes
Martial law imposed on refugee camps. Army stops people from entering and exiting.
Limitations on schools for Palestinian "foreigners"
Not allowed to live outside refugee camps, which in turn are not allowed to grow. Population of camps is now triple capacity.
Palestinians not allowed to create organizations.
1975-78: At least 5000 Palestinians killed in Lebanese civil war
1985-88: Thousands killed in "War of the Camps"
1995: Law prohibiting Palestinians from entering country without a visa; and visas weren't issued. Those expelled from Gulf states could not return to Lebanon. (Law repealed in 1999.)
2005: Specific laws prohibiting foreigners who are not "nationals of a recognized state" - Palestinians - from owning property. Those who owned it previously cannot pass it to their children.
2007: 31,000 Palestinians homeless because while Lebanese Army destroyed Nahr el Bared camp
2013: Some 50,000 refugees from Syria treated differently from other Syrian refugees; expensive temporary short-term visas effectively make them criminals
2013: Lebanon starts turning some Palestinian Syrian refugees away at the border

Kuwait:
1991: 400,000 Palestinians were harassed and forced out of the country.

Libya:
1994-5: Expelled 30,000 Palestinians, dismissed many from their jobs and confiscated their houses
Arab countries refused to take in the new refugees. Hundreds were stranded in the desert or the sea. Eventually Libya allowed some to stay but kept threatening to expel them again. In the end about15,000 were forced to go to Arab countries they had documents for, Gulf countries, and Western nations.
2011: Palestinians were forced to pay a special tax of $1550.
2012: Many Palestinians lost their homes as properties were claimed by others in the wake of the revolution and the collapse of the judicial system.

Iraq:

Early 1950s: Expelled striking Palestinian workers, along with Saudi Arabia and Libya..

2005: After Saddam Hussein lost power, Palestinians in Iraq were subjected to abduction, hostage-taking, killing and torture from armed groups. Politicians derided them. About 15,000 were forced to leave Iraq. Thousands were stranded in camps in the desert between Iraq and Syria, where no Arab country would allow them to enter.

Qatar:

1994: Refused to grant Palestinians work visas.

Syria:

1970:  Palestinians cannot vote, cannot run for office, cannot own farmland, cannot own more than one property..

2005-2008: Syria did not allow thousands of Palestinian Arab refugees fleeing from Iraq to enter the country.

2012-today: Some 2000 Palestinians killed so far in Syria's war. About 50 have starved to death as forces cut off all food and water to the Yarmouk camp.


See  http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/51686 with links.

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Yes, the treatment of Palestinians by neighbouring Arabs is appalling, but nevertheless shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify Israeli apartheid policies.

Also, just some clarifications:


Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:54pm:

1970: 3500-5000 Palestinians killed and 20,000 Palestinians expelled, their camps demolished, in the Black September events.

Jordan was arguably responding to an existential threat by an increasingly brazen PLO. You have to remember that at the time the Palestinians made up around 1/3 of the population, and the overthrow of the Hashemite kingdom was a very real possibility.


Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Kuwait: 1991: 400,000 Palestinians were harassed and forced out of the country.

Kuwait kicked out the Palestinians after Arafat foolishly declared his support for Saddam Hussein after he had invaded and occupied Kuwait.

Edited title  - replaced 'muslim' with 'arab' - since Lebanon is included which is not a "muslim" country.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 11:04am:

Yes, the treatment of Palestinians by neighbouring Arabs is appalling, but nevertheless shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify Israeli apartheid policies.

You are the ONLY one mentioning this.

Can we ever, ever, ever, ever have a discussion about the appaling behaviour of Arabs/Muslims without Arabs/Muslims instantly reaching for the 'yes, but Israel/Jews' deflection. After all, you never praise Israel when Arab/Muslim achievements or positive behaviour are the topic.  You would never say, when Arab/Muslim hospitality might be discussed, 'oh, yes, but you should see the Israelis/Jews, they are really hospitable'.

Or is Israel/Jews the context of everything to do with Muslims/Arabs but is ommitted to spite them when positives are discussed?

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 11:40am:

Can we ever, ever, ever, ever have a discussion about the appaling behaviour of Arabs/Muslims without Arabs/Muslims instantly reaching for the 'yes, but Israel/Jews' deflection.

You literally cannot have a meaningful conversation about anything Palestinian without putting it into the context of the Israeli occupation/apartheid regime.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 11:51am:

Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 11:40am: Can we ever, ever, ever, ever have a discussion about the appaling behaviour of Arabs/Muslims without Arabs/Muslims instantly reaching for the 'yes, but Israel/Jews' deflection. You literally cannot have a meaningful conversation about anything Palestinian without putting it into the context of the Israeli occupation/apartheid regime.

My OP is about Arab/Muslim behaviour towards Arab/Muslim brothers. Israel is incidental.
This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour. It illuminates the inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour in Syria, for example.
Israel and the Jws have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' when it comes to inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour.

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour.

Its about how Arab nations treat a population of people who one day mysteriously turned up on their borders.

Gee Soren, I wonder what cataclysmic event in the 1940s caused this to happen?

In any case, I already said the treatment is appalling, and I never said it wasn't the arabs responsibility to sort it out.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour. Its about how Arab nations treat a population of people who one day mysteriously turned up on their borders. Gee Soren, I wonder what cataclysmic event in the 1940s caused this to happen?

Er... the Arabs attacking Israel?

I wonder why the Muslims in here aren't bleeding about the Muslim expulsions of Jews? While anti-Zionists of the world compel the Israelis to give up land they won in their defense from imperialistic Islamic aggression (a historically unprecedented demand), and even to pay reparations, where is the outcry for compensation to Jews and return of their land, homes, businesses and fortunes, after being driven from Islamic states through pogrom after pogrom? (Let alone non-Islamic pogrom after pogrom against Jews)

   "Between 1920 and 1970, 900,000 Jews were expelled from Arab and other Muslim countries. The 1940s were a turning point in this tragedy; of those expelled, 600,000 settled in the new state of Israel, and 300,000 in France and the United States. Today, they and their descendents form the majority of the French Jewish community and a large part of Israel’s population.
   In the countries that expelled Jews, a combination of six legal, economic, and political measures aimed at isolating Jews in society was instituted: denationalization; legal discrimination; isolation and sequestration; economic despoilment; socioeconomic discrimination; and pogroms or similar acts.
   It is the custom to say that Zionism was responsible for this development. However, the region’s anti-Semitism would have developed even without the rise of the state of Israel because of Arab-Islamic nationalism, which resulted in xenophobia."

As made crystal clear through Islam's books and the words of Islam's Imams:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_and_jews.htm

It continues:
   "The fact that these events have been obscured has served in the campaign to delegitimize Israel, and therefore to a large extent, the same population that suffered this oppression. The fate of Palestinian refugees, their proclaimed innocence, and the injustice they endured form the main thrust of this delegitimization. The Jewish refugees have suffered more than the Palestinian refugees and undergone greater spoliations. However, they became citizens of the countries of refuge, especially Israel and France, while Palestinians were ostracized from the Arab nations."
http://www.zionismchristian.com/palestine_palestinians.htm#expulsions_of_jews

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour. Its about how Arab nations treat a population of people who one day mysteriously turned up on their borders. Gee Soren, I wonder what cataclysmic event in the 1940s caused this to happen? Er... the Arabs attacking Israel?

Just for the record, Israel did not exist until after the civil war which in turn brought other Arab nations into it was over. It was still the British Mandate of Palestine. Carry on though, this could get interesting.

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2014 at 1:59am:

Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour. Its about how Arab nations treat a population of people who one day mysteriously turned up on their borders. Gee Soren, I wonder what cataclysmic event in the 1940s caused this to happen? Er... the Arabs attacking Israel? Just for the record, Israel did not exist until after the civil war which in turn brought other Arab nations into it was over. It was still the British Mandate of Palestine. Carry on though, this could get interesting.

My money’s on it getting pretty boring. Are you on?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 11:04am:

Yes, the treatment of Palestinians by neighbouring Arabs is appalling, but nevertheless shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify Israeli apartheid policies.

The muslim persecution of Palestinians has nothing to do with Israel.

The muslim persecution of muslims is common is the Islamic world, the muslim hatred of the jews is also common with muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 11:51am:

Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 11:40am: Can we ever, ever, ever, ever have a discussion about the appaling behaviour of Arabs/Muslims without Arabs/Muslims instantly reaching for the 'yes, but Israel/Jews' deflection. You literally cannot have a meaningful conversation about anything Palestinian without putting it into the context of the Israeli occupation/apartheid regime.

I think it would be quite easy to discuss these people's behaviour without blaming it on the Jews.

Let's turn it around and point out that the biggest contributor to Jewish immigration to Israel was Arab states forcibly expelling Jewish citizens shortly after Israel's creation (then trying to wipe them all out, but that didn't quite work out as planned...).

Can we possibly have a debate about blaming the Jews for everything without blaming the Arabs for it all?

What was the topic again? Muslims deflecting?

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

I think it would be quite easy to discuss these people's behaviour without blaming it on the Jews.

Not the jews, the zionist state. Big difference.


freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

What was the topic again? Muslims deflecting?

I've said three times in this thread alone that the arab treatment of the Palestinians is appalling.

FD wrote on Jan 24^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24th, 2014 at 1:59am: Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour. Its about how Arab nations treat a population of people who one day mysteriously turned up on their borders. Gee Soren, I wonder what cataclysmic event in the 1940s caused this to happen? Er... the Arabs attacking Israel? Just for the record, Israel did not exist until after the civil war which in turn brought other Arab nations into it was over. It was still the British Mandate of Palestine. Carry on though, this could get interesting. My money’s on it getting pretty boring. Are you on?

Hello no! What was I was thinking? ;)

Setanta wrote on Jan 24^th, 2014 at 1:59am:

Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour. Its about how Arab nations treat a population of people who one day mysteriously turned up on their borders. Gee Soren, I wonder what cataclysmic event in the 1940s caused this to happen? Er... the Arabs attacking Israel? Just for the record, Israel did not exist until after the civil war which in turn brought other Arab nations into it was over. It was still the British Mandate of Palestine. Carry on though, this could get interesting.

Well, no that's not true. The attack by the 4 Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq) took place the day AFTER the State of Israel was declared. So the 1948 Arab-Israeli War did involve the country of Israel.

Oh, and the British Mandate was scheduled to end on the same day that the Arab armies attack, 15th of May 1948.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 2:43am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 24th, 2014 at 1:59am: Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 1:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:18pm: Soren wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: This is about inter-Arab, inter-Muslim behaviour. Its about how Arab nations treat a population of people who one day mysteriously turned up on their borders. Gee Soren, I wonder what cataclysmic event in the 1940s caused this to happen? Er... the Arabs attacking Israel? Just for the record, Israel did not exist until after the civil war which in turn brought other Arab nations into it was over. It was still the British Mandate of Palestine. Carry on though, this could get interesting. Well, no that's not true. The attack by the 4 Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq) took place the day AFTER the State of Israel was declared. So the 1948 Arab-Israeli War did involve the country of Israel. Oh, and the British Mandate was scheduled to end on the same day that the Arab armies attack, 15th of May 1948.

OK, correct.