Vote buying the left way.

This would make labor and the unions criminals also under the new laws surely.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/unions-fund-bikies-high-court-challenge-against-the-newman-governments-antigang-laws/story-fnihsrf2-1226806287060

Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing.

I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those
who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'.

Gotta help out the stand over men. Where else would labor and the unions find them if they were in gaol or weakened

Unions standing up for completely unfair treatment of average people?

Who would have thought?

labor are corrupt wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:45am:

Vote buying the left way. This would make labor and the unions criminals also under the new laws surely. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/unions-fund-bikies-high-court-challenge-against-the-newman-governments-antigang-laws/story-fnihsrf2-1226806287060

Yes dear, that what fascist maggots do, try to outlaw their opposition.

From the article it would seem that a significant number of people in the building trade are members of motorcycle clubs.  A few of these clubs may have some sort of criminal connections, but others are probably just motorcycle clubs, even if the members have the outward appearance of being bikies.

This legislation allows the government to cancel a licence held by anyone who has any sort of association with anyone in whatever club or organisation the government decides to target.  Without the appropriate licence, you cannot work in the building industry.

The unions are defending the rights of a section of their membership.  That is what unions are for.

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:51am:

Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'.

Bill shorten now supports the grey nomads.

LOL give me a break.

I posted this in the VLAD thread, but it is relevant here too.  For all the police powers and rights being taken away, do you want to know what the result has been?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/the-end-justifies-the-means-why-queensland-is-losing-the-bikie-war-20140120-313dc.html


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Officers as part of Operation Resolute, created in response to offending behaviour of Criminal Motorcycle Gangs (CMGs), have arrested 384 people on 817 charges since October 6. But of the 817 charges, only 28 – or 3.4% – can be considered “organised crime” type charges such as drug trafficking and extortion. Even more interesting is the proportion of overall crime statistics these figures account for in that two-month period. In Queensland, 73,309 offences were reported in October and November 2013. Bikies accounted for only 1% of these offences.

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:51am:

Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'.

The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:26am:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:51am: Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'. The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up.

Hey Armchair, do you agree that if you have a party of 12 and 3 of them swear, you as the organiser can go to prison and pay a $12,000 fine?

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:26am: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:51am: Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'. The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up. Hey Armchair, do you agree that if you have a party of 12 and 3 of them swear, you as the organiser can go to prison and pay a $12,000 fine?

No, because that wouldn't happen. But it's nice that you only think of extremes, eh?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:45am:

No, because that wouldn't happen. But it's nice that you only think of extremes, eh?

Well it's law actually.

So what happened to only having something to worry about if you are not doing illegal?  hell, I've been at Anzac Day ceremonies qualify

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:45am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:26am: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:51am: Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'. The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up. Hey Armchair, do you agree that if you have a party of 12 and 3 of them swear, you as the organiser can go to prison and pay a $12,000 fine? No, because that wouldn't happen. But it's nice that you only think of extremes, eh?

Really!!!  Click here.


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But according to the draft bill, a party is a gathering of twelve or more people. And it is considered out-of-control if three people at that party do something like be drunk in a public place, cause excessive noise, unreasonably block the path of a pedestrian, litter in a way that might cause harm to the environment, or use "indecent" language. The punishment for holding a party that gets out-of-control? A $12,000 fine or a year's jail. In other words, a party host is punished for the actions of party guests. For good measure, the bill allows police to enter property uninvited without a warrant.

Aussie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:45am: Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:26am: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:51am: Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'. The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up. Hey Armchair, do you agree that if you have a party of 12 and 3 of them swear, you as the organiser can go to prison and pay a $12,000 fine? No, because that wouldn't happen. But it's nice that you only think of extremes, eh? Really!!!  Click here. Quote: But according to the draft bill, a party is a gathering of twelve or more people. And it is considered out-of-control if three people at that party do something like be drunk in a public place, cause excessive noise, unreasonably block the path of a pedestrian, litter in a way that might cause harm to the environment, or use "indecent" language. The punishment for holding a party that gets out-of-control? A $12,000 fine or a year's jail. In other words, a party host is punished for the actions of party guests. For good measure, the bill allows police to enter property uninvited without a warrant.

So you have to go to the most extreme of circumstances to attempt to justify your ridiculous point of view. Thanks for the good laugh!  ;D

Quote:

So you have to go to the most extreme of circumstances to attempt to justify your ridiculous point of view. Thanks for the good laugh!

So, you did not read the link.  Jolly good.

The point you heroically missed is that these new laws do not necessarily target guilty people.  Hell, a slightly sweary high school class room would qualify as an out of control event.

These laws do not just target guilty people, unless of course you agree with the current legislation...


Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:45am:

No, because that wouldn't happen

Which you don't, apparently. 

flip

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:08am:

The point you heroically missed is that these new laws do not necessarily target guilty people.  Hell, a slightly sweary high school class room would qualify as an out of control event. These laws do not just target guilty people, unless of course you agree with the current legislation... Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:45am: No, because that wouldn't happen Which you don't, apparently.

Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain.

http://www.leahy.com.au/leahy/images/comics/leahy-14-01-21R.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:38am:

Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain.

Wow, you still haven't read it have you?  It would be the organiser who could get the fine and prison sentence.

Either way surely you must realise this law is moronic.  Either it is designed to potentially punish pretty much everyone and will be enforced (and IMO completely unfair), or it will not be and as such needs to be modified to target what it supposed to.

The law is dumb, and I can't believe you are still defending it.

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:38am: Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain. Wow, you still haven't read it have you?  It would be the organiser who could get the fine and prison sentence. Either way surely you must realise this law is moronic.  Either it is designed to potentially punish pretty much everyone and will be enforced (and IMO completely unfair), or it will not be and as such needs to be modified to target what it supposed to. The law is dumb, and I can't believe you are still defending it.

He will defend absolutely any idiocy, deprivation or loss of rights and freedoms, provided his
beloved Fascis.... oops, 'Liberal' Party is responsible for it.

And oppose any right, freedom or benefit that's either not targeted at those not in need, or
was introduced by Labor.

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:38am: Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain. Wow, you still haven't read it have you?  It would be the organiser who could get the fine and prison sentence. Either way surely you must realise this law is moronic.  Either it is designed to potentially punish pretty much everyone and will be enforced (and IMO completely unfair), or it will not be and as such needs to be modified to target what it supposed to. The law is dumb, and I can't believe you are still defending it.

No, the only moron here is you - for the way you're interpreting how this law would be enforced.

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 12:24pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:38am: Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain. Wow, you still haven't read it have you?  It would be the organiser who could get the fine and prison sentence. Either way surely you must realise this law is moronic.  Either it is designed to potentially punish pretty much everyone and will be enforced (and IMO completely unfair), or it will not be and as such needs to be modified to target what it supposed to. The law is dumb, and I can't believe you are still defending it. He will defend absolutely any idiocy, deprivation or loss of rights and freedoms, provided his beloved Fascis.... oops, 'Liberal' Party is responsible for it. And oppose any right, freedom or benefit that's either not targeted at those not in need, or was introduced by Labor.

That's good, coming from someone who defends Swan's record as Treasurer - largest deficits in our history, largest debt in our history, not one but three debt ceiling increases (after he introduced a debt ceiling), etc, etc. Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had, yet you still defend his record.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:38am: Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain. Wow, you still haven't read it have you?  It would be the organiser who could get the fine and prison sentence. Either way surely you must realise this law is moronic.  Either it is designed to potentially punish pretty much everyone and will be enforced (and IMO completely unfair), or it will not be and as such needs to be modified to target what it supposed to. The law is dumb, and I can't believe you are still defending it. No, the only moron here is you - for the way you're interpreting how this law would be enforced.

interpreting?  That's actually what it says.  Or have you still not bothered to read it?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:03pm:

Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had

Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ...

what a conundrum
do we:

A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum
B)  believe the experts in the field being judged??

Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D

you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D

Don forget Armpit is a compulsive liar he even said this morning  Peter slipper was a member of the labor party and when questioned about it tried to argue the case  even though there is no evidence what so ever to back up his lies.
No wonder Abbott is such a failure when office girls like armpit advise him.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:03pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:24pm: Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:38am: Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain. Wow, you still haven't read it have you?  It would be the organiser who could get the fine and prison sentence. Either way surely you must realise this law is moronic.  Either it is designed to potentially punish pretty much everyone and will be enforced (and IMO completely unfair), or it will not be and as such needs to be modified to target what it supposed to. The law is dumb, and I can't believe you are still defending it. He will defend absolutely any idiocy, deprivation or loss of rights and freedoms, provided his beloved Fascis.... oops, 'Liberal' Party is responsible for it. And oppose any right, freedom or benefit that's either not targeted at those not in need, or was introduced by Labor. That's good, coming from someone who defends Swan's record as Treasurer - largest deficits in our history, largest debt in our history, not one but three debt ceiling increases (after he introduced a debt ceiling), etc, etc. Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had, yet you still defend his record.

Swan’s record is damn good! Almost alone of advanced economies we did not go into recession due to the GFC. That had nothing to do with Howard & the ridiculous Costello, that had to do with the stimulus. Swan saw our economy attain triple AAA ratings—that means interest rates are low. Unemployment remained under 6%. A lot of the remaining deficit is the structural Budget deficit the idiotic clown Costello created, paying for permanent tax cuts out of the proceeds of the 2001–7 boom and before that out of asset sales. Howard and his middleclass welfare is still costing the Budget tens of billions of dollars. Inflation is low.

Hockey will blow out the deficit, lose the triple AAA, boost unemployment, inflation and interest rates, much like Treasurer Howard did. He will do nothing about the structural Budget deficit except maybe worsen it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D

Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer.

He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman.

Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011.

Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn.


In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan.

“He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009” because no company wanted him!

Now the two companies only employ him because he is an entré to Lib govts and the juicy assets they own.

As to economic achievements—he created a massive structural Budget deficit that is still bedeviling government finances to this day!

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:49pm:

“He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009” because no company wanted him! Now the two companies only employ him because he is an entré to Lib govts and the juicy assets they own. As to economic achievements—he created a massive structural Budget deficit that is still bedeviling government finances to this day!

Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions.

As for the "massive structural budget deficit", that is entirely of Swan's making. He is the one who increased the income tax threshold and in doing so, cut out a huge chunk of government revenue. It was Swan who borrowed like a drunken sailor after being left with a healthy $22bn surplus. Government revenue was on the rise when Swan was Treasurer, with the mining boom nowhere near its peak, yet still he borrowed. You must be getting tired of shooting yourself in the foot so often...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:41pm:

In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan.

Confusing a personal budget with that of a country.

Rookie mistake

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer. He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman. Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011. Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn. In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan.

Why won't you accept the fact that your claims re Swan are false, and have been found to be groundless?

The only ones who believe your claims are fellow rusted-ons, and those who Mudrock has conned.

The real world knows otherwise.

But you clowns can wallow in your ignorance for all I care, I no longer give a smack. You lot, and the
country you seem to want this one to become, simply aren't worth it.

Posting facts or reasoned opinions here is merely casting pearls before VERY undeserving swine. And
about as pointless.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:03pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 12:24pm: Stratos wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 11:38am: Yeah, I doubt very much Police are going to jail a bunch of kids muttering the odd profanity in a school classroom and fine one of then $12,000. Grow a brain. Wow, you still haven't read it have you?  It would be the organiser who could get the fine and prison sentence. Either way surely you must realise this law is moronic.  Either it is designed to potentially punish pretty much everyone and will be enforced (and IMO completely unfair), or it will not be and as such needs to be modified to target what it supposed to. The law is dumb, and I can't believe you are still defending it. He will defend absolutely any idiocy, deprivation or loss of rights and freedoms, provided his beloved Fascis.... oops, 'Liberal' Party is responsible for it. And oppose any right, freedom or benefit that's either not targeted at those not in need, or was introduced by Labor. That's good, coming from someone who defends Swan's record as Treasurer - largest deficits in our history, largest debt in our history, not one but three debt ceiling increases (after he introduced a debt ceiling), etc, etc. Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had, yet you still defend his record.

Yes, I do.

Because he wasn't.

Howard was.

Neither Howard NOR Costcutto would have gotten us through the GFC without us going badly into recession.

Swan did.

Now, get on your bike, and p1ss off...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:51pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:49pm: “He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009” because no company wanted him! Now the two companies only employ him because he is an entré to Lib govts and the juicy assets they own. As to economic achievements—he created a massive structural Budget deficit that is still bedeviling government finances to this day! Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. As for the "massive structural budget deficit", that is entirely of Swan's making. He is the one who increased the income tax threshold and in doing so, cut out a huge chunk of government revenue. It was Swan who borrowed like a drunken sailor after being left with a healthy $22bn surplus. Government revenue was on the rise when Swan was Treasurer, with the mining boom nowhere near its peak, yet still he borrowed. You must be getting tired of shooting yourself in the foot so often...

No, because we aren't 'shooting ourselves in the foot'.

But we're getting awfully smacking tired of seeing you do so with almost every post.

And then coming back with the SAME BS when called on it.

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer. He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman. Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011. Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn. In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan. Why won't you accept the fact that your claims re Swan are false, and have been found to be groundless? The only ones who believe your claims are fellow rusted-ons, and those who Mudrock has conned. The real world knows otherwise. But you clowns can wallow in your ignorance for all I care, I no longer give a smack. You lot, and the country you seem to want this one to become, simply aren't worth it. Posting facts or reasoned opinions here is merely casting pearls before VERY undeserving swine. And about as pointless.

False and groundless, eh? So the debt wasn't really $300bn+ under Swan and Swan didn't produce the largest deficits in this country's history while also failing to produce a single surplus, despite promising to do so on more than one occasion? So it wasn't Swan who increased the debt ceiling more than once? So it wasn't Swan who tripled the tax-free threshold, thereby reducing a large amount of revenue for the government? Sadly, you're wrong. These are cold, hard facts that can be easily viewed if you just Google his abysmal record as Treasurer. Try searching www.aph.gov.au or www.treasury.gov.au and you'll find a treasure-trove of this information backing me up.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 1:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer. He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman. Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011. Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn. In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan.

what has costello got to do with this? Also, didn't Costello call Abbott an economic illiterate?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer. He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman. Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011. Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn. In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan. what has costello got to do with this? Also, didn't Costello call Abbott an economic illiterate?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Isn't Joe Hockey the Treasurer, not Tony Abbott? If I'm the CEO of Telstra, do I need to know how to maintain the infrastructure of a telephone exchange? I'll leave you to ponder that one...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:18pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 2:07pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer. He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman. Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011. Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn. In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan. Why won't you accept the fact that your claims re Swan are false, and have been found to be groundless? The only ones who believe your claims are fellow rusted-ons, and those who Mudrock has conned. The real world knows otherwise. But you clowns can wallow in your ignorance for all I care, I no longer give a smack. You lot, and the country you seem to want this one to become, simply aren't worth it. Posting facts or reasoned opinions here is merely casting pearls before VERY undeserving swine. And about as pointless. False and groundless, eh? So the debt wasn't really $300bn+ under Swan and Swan didn't produce the largest deficits in this country's history while also failing to produce a single surplus, despite promising to do so on more than one occasion? So it wasn't Swan who increased the debt ceiling more than once? So it wasn't Swan who tripled the tax-free threshold, thereby reducing a large amount of revenue for the government? Sadly, you're wrong. These are cold, hard facts that can be easily viewed if you just Google his abysmal record as Treasurer. Try searching www.aph.gov.au or www.treasury.gov.au and you'll find a treasure-trove of this information backing me up.

pull your head out of your arse .... moron

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 2:26pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer. He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman. Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011. Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn. In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan. what has costello got to do with this? Also, didn't Costello call Abbott an economic illiterate?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Isn't Joe Hockey the Treasurer, not Tony Abbott? If I'm the CEO of Telstra, do I need to know how to maintain the infrastructure of a telephone exchange? I'll leave you to ponder that one...

I didn't drag Abbott or Costello into this, you did ....  :D :D :D :D :D  you moron

by the way, if you were CEO of telstra, billions would have been wiped off the stock exchange ... ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 2:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 2:26pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 1:03pm: Easily the worst Treasurer we ever had Yet others who are experts in the field rated him the best treasurer ... what a conundrum do we: A)  believe armpitt, who constantly writes blatant rubbish on an internet forum B)  believe the experts in the field being judged?? Ohh, thats a hard one ... it so hard it took me .000000001 of a second to work it out  ;D ;D ;D ;D you constantly repeat the same crap, no matter how many times you are proven wrong  :D :D :D :D Hmmm, Costello graduated from Monash University with a Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws. He successfully paid off Keating's $96bn debt in 11 years, produced not one but TEN surpluses in TWELVE consecutive budgets, left government with $22bn in the bank and successfully introduced the GST and streamlined business tax. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment all fell and remained generally low during Costello's term as Treasurer. He is a member of the Board of Guardians of the Australian Government Future Fund since December 2009. Amidst some controversy it was announced that David Gonski would succeed the inaugural Chairman, David Murray when Murray's term expired on 3 April 2012. Gonski's appointment was in spite of an independent review (that was conducted by Gonski). Gonski reported to the Australian Government that the existing Guardians favoured Costello to succeed Murray as Chairman. Costello is a managing partner of BKK Partners, a boutique corporate advisory run by former Goldman Sachs JBWere managers. He also chairs the advisory board of specialist corporate advisory firm ECG Advisory Solutions. In 2008, his best-selling memoir was published by Melbourne University Press. Costello writes a regular column for Fairfax newspapers. He was also awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia in 2011. Swan is a backbencher after backing the wrong donkey who, as Treasurer, oversaw government debt blow out from a $22bn surplus to more than $350bn in debt. Swan also presided over the largest deficits in this country's history while not producing a single surplus despite numerous emphatic promises to do so. He introduced a debt ceiling and then raised it a number of times when he couldn't stop spending/borrowing. Last year, he famously turned what he thought would be a $1.5bn surplus into a deficit of nearly $20bn. In short, I know who I would go to for financial advice. Hint: it wouldn't be Wayne Swan. what has costello got to do with this? Also, didn't Costello call Abbott an economic illiterate?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Isn't Joe Hockey the Treasurer, not Tony Abbott? If I'm the CEO of Telstra, do I need to know how to maintain the infrastructure of a telephone exchange? I'll leave you to ponder that one...

You smacking-well should, or you've no business being in that job.

The problem with so many corps and companies is that the upper management has no idea
of, or interest in, what the company actually does, or how it does it.

Money is their god, and the Devil take the rest.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:26am:

Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:51am: Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'. The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up.

So no innocent person has ever been convicted of a crime?

You really are naive, AP.

Under Newman, Queensland is looking more like a fascist dictatorship every day.

At least the unions are prepared to stand up to the little runt.

Good on them.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:26am: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:51am: Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'. The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up. So no innocent person has ever been convicted of a crime? You really are naive, AP.

Naïve is perhaps somewhat milder than the word I'd have used, but yeah.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Under Newman, Queensland is looking more like a fascist dictatorship every day. At least the unions are prepared to stand up to the little runt. Good on them.

Hear! Hear!

Google Arthur Alan Thomas, AP.

You'll get the idea.

Kat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 3:19pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:26am: Kat wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 8:51am: Yes, and the unions are doing the correct thing. I support them 100%, as would most DECENT people, and those who see the reality behind these filthy 'laws'. The only people who need to fear these laws are those with links to criminal bikie gangs such as Bandido's, Finks, etc. It's just another case of if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Grow up. So no innocent person has ever been convicted of a crime? You really are naive, AP. Naïve is perhaps somewhat milder than the word I'd have used, but yeah.

But I'm a mild mannered man. Didn't you know?

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 3:35pm:

Google Arthur Alan Thomas, AP. You'll get the idea.

Wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for murder.

Terrible stuff, we'd all agree.

So, do you want murder laws repealed?