The useless Abort government is up to its old tricks of trying to kill off the renewable energy industries so it can make sure there is no competition to his mates in the polluting energy industries.

Hey Tony what is the backup for non-baseload renewable sunlight energy that you and everyone uses for free every day ?



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Tony Abbott has made his first comments on wind energy and the Renewable Energy Target as Prime Minister. During an interview with Alan Jones (2GB) PM Abbott had the following to say:     “If you drive down the Federal Highway from Goulburn to Canberra and you look at Lake George, yes there’s an absolute forest of these things on the other side of the lake near Bungendore. I absolutely understand why people are anxious about these things that are sprouting like mushrooms all over the fields of our country. I absolutely understand the concerns that people have.     “And I also understand the difficulty because while renewable power is a very good idea at one level, you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow. So this is an obvious problem with renewable energy in the absence of much more sophisticated battery technology than we have right now.     “We are going to review the Renewable Energy Targets. There was going to be a review anyway next year. We’re taking this review very seriously and one of the things that we’ll be looking at will be the impact of renewable energy on power prices, because not only is the carbon tax adding about 9 per cent to everyone’s power bills and we’re going to get rid of that as quickly as we can, renewable energy targets are also significantly driving up power prices right now.” The Prime Minister cites two common misperceptions about renewables energy: Firstly, that renewables aren’t up for the job of powering the Australian economy because they’re intermittent. And secondly, that the Renewable Energy Target makes up a significant portion of electricity bills. Let’s break down these misconceptions for the Prime Minister to assist his government’s energy policy making. Misconception #1: Australia needs backup for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine. Reality: It is technically feasible for Australia to meet it’s electricity needs from renewable energy alone. According to the energy experts, shifting to 100 percent renewable energy is both technically viable and affordable. Studies by the think tank Beyond Zero Emissions (PDF), and follow up studies from the Australian Energy Market Operator (PDF) and University of New South Wales (PDF) confirm the technical feasibility of renewable energy. In terms of cost, the 100 percent renewable energy system ischeaper the fossil fuel based business-as-usual approach. Modelling is one thing, what about real world applications? South Australia is leading the nation with it’s renewable energy rollout. The state now meets 31 percent of it’s electricity demand from renewable energy sources. Wind farms are doing the heavy lifting, providing 27 percent, while the rapidly growing rooftop solar contributes 4 percent. South Australia is expected to reach 50 percent renewables in a decade. Misconception #2: Renewable energy is a significant part of power bills, driving up costs. Reality: John Howard’s Renewable Energy Target makes up a small portion of Australian power bills. The rollout of renewable energy is making power bills cheaper. Data from the Australian Energy Market Commission (PDF) shows the RET accounts for less than one percent of the average household electricity bill – or a mere $35 from a $2000 bill. That’s around $0.70 each week over a year. It is transmission, distribution, and wholesale electricity prices which are the largest contributors to power bills. The Australian Energy Market Commission shows transmission, distribution, and wholesale electricity prices are the largest contributors to power bills. Renewable energy is putting downward pressure on power bills. Energy analysts agree wind farms are causing South Australia’s wholesale electricity prices to drop. This trend resulted in the SA Essential Services Commission directing energy companies to cut retail prices cut by 8.1 percent. The move will lower the average power bill by $160 a year. So, what are Australians getting for their $35 investment in renewable energy? Cheaper bills, less pollution, and action on climate change. Most Australians would agree that’s a win, win.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/tony-abbott-gets-it-wrong-on-wind-farms-and-renewables-80014

Good. Useless waste of peoples money so AGW fruitloops can sleep at night. You pay for it you nutjobs

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:00am:

Good. Useless waste of peoples money so AGW fruitloops can sleep at night. You pay for it you nutjobs

as opposed to paying through the nose for some suit and tie CEO dickhead to set fire to polluting coal :(

Wind power generation is a con/scam

it's far too expensive & far too inefficient

whereas solar is much more cost effective & reliable.

re: pollution .... wind turbines are visible environmental eyesores & they generate health affecting noise pollution for those who live nearby.

Don' worry about coal being burnt in a power station ..... your gas industry experts want to ignite underground coal seams(coal gasification).... how will that be controlled?

Coalfired power stations pollution can be controlled & minimised.

Gnads wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

Wind power generation is a con/scam it's far too expensive & far too inefficient whereas solar is much more cost effective & reliable. re: pollution .... wind turbines are visible environmental eyesores & they generate health affecting noise pollution for those who live nearby. Don' worry about coal being burnt in a power station ..... your gas industry experts want to ignite underground coal seams(coal gasification).... how will that be controlled? Coalfired power stations pollution can be controlled & minimised.

considering that you don't pay for the wind how can it be inefficient ?

and why aren't they controlling pollution if it is so simple ?

Abort trying hard to kill off renewable energy

That is the reason the mining companies were working to put him in power after all.

Windmills are nothing more than religious shrines to the great god of global warming, about as usefull as this ...





http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/02/01/Brits-to-Rio-Leave-Jesus-statue-at-home-FBUA4C1-x-large.jpg

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Windmills are nothing more than religious shrines to the great god of global warming, about as usefull as this ... http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/02/01/Brits-to-Rio-Leave-Jesus-statue-at-home-FBUA4C1-x-large.jpg

and setting fire to coal to generate heat is what cave people used to do hundreds and thousands of years ago !!

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Abort trying hard to kill off renewable energy

If the energy is renewable, how TF can he kill it off?   :-/

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Windmills are nothing more than religious shrines to the great god of global warming, about as usefull as this ... http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/02/01/Brits-to-Rio-Leave-Jesus-statue-at-home-FBUA4C1-x-large.jpg and setting fire to coal to generate heat is what cave people used to do hundreds and thousands of years ago !!

once again I think it was mother nature using lightening to set fire to WOOD.

I dont think piggy or Gina were around hundreds and thousands of years ago... ::) ::) and I am almost positive coal wasnt.

You don't understand the logic behind it, you see, because caveman used coal we should now have hill after hill of useless f#ckin windmills that do nothing   :D


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EHJM5MnqwwA/Uaebj-x0N0I/AAAAAAAAavc/D8lBD9W72Oc/s1600/abandoned_wind_farm_hawaii.jpg

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:19pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Windmills are nothing more than religious shrines to the great god of global warming, about as usefull as this ... http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/02/01/Brits-to-Rio-Leave-Jesus-statue-at-home-FBUA4C1-x-large.jpg and setting fire to coal to generate heat is what cave people used to do hundreds and thousands of years ago !! once again I think it was mother nature using lightening to set fire to WOOD. I dont think piggy or Gina were around hundreds and thousands of years ago... ::) ::) and I am almost positive coal wasnt.

Can you tell us when coal was invented? Coal wasn't around? ;D
edit: Or is the world only 6000 years old so it couldn't possibly have been around?

The coal was there but not the nouse to use it :)

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

You don't understand the logic behind it, you see, because caveman used coal we should now have hill after hill of useless f#ckin windmills that do nothing   :D http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EHJM5MnqwwA/Uaebj-x0N0I/AAAAAAAAavc/D8lBD9W72Oc/s1600/abandoned_wind_farm_hawaii.jpg

Thats a lot of bird blood splatter on those windmills

Swagman wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

Quote: Abort trying hard to kill off renewable energy If the energy is renewable, how TF can he kill it off?   :-/

By changing the renewable targets and giving authority to some nut job idiots who claim that wind turbines cause health problems even though the dutch has been using wind power for centuries. That abort is a luddite lunatic. No wonder he is a catholic :(

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

You don't understand the logic behind it, you see, because caveman used coal we should now have hill after hill of useless f#ckin windmills that do nothing   :D http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EHJM5MnqwwA/Uaebj-x0N0I/AAAAAAAAavc/D8lBD9W72Oc/s1600/abandoned_wind_farm_hawaii.jpg

what on earth do you mean by do nothing ??

jeez some people who post on this forum are retarded :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:55pm: You don't understand the logic behind it, you see, because caveman used coal we should now have hill after hill of useless f#ckin windmills that do nothing   :D http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EHJM5MnqwwA/Uaebj-x0N0I/AAAAAAAAavc/D8lBD9W72Oc/s1600/abandoned_wind_farm_hawaii.jpg what on earth do you mean by do nothing ?? jeez some people who post on this forum are retarded :(

Sorry they do do something, they give greenies a warm fuzzy feeling inside  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:11pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:55pm: You don't understand the logic behind it, you see, because caveman used coal we should now have hill after hill of useless f#ckin windmills that do nothing   :D http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EHJM5MnqwwA/Uaebj-x0N0I/AAAAAAAAavc/D8lBD9W72Oc/s1600/abandoned_wind_farm_hawaii.jpg what on earth do you mean by do nothing ?? jeez some people who post on this forum are retarded :( Sorry they do do something, they give greenies a warm fuzzy feeling inside  ;D

like I said some people who post on this forum are retarded :(

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:55pm: You don't understand the logic behind it, you see, because caveman used coal we should now have hill after hill of useless f#ckin windmills that do nothing   :D http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EHJM5MnqwwA/Uaebj-x0N0I/AAAAAAAAavc/D8lBD9W72Oc/s1600/abandoned_wind_farm_hawaii.jpg Thats a lot of bird blood splatter on those windmills

Where's the Sea Shepherd, she should be protecting the birds from the evil wind turbine.... :D 

Energy insanity – 14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines in the USA


http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013/07/energy-insanity-14000-abandoned-wind-turbines-in-the-usa-2527122.html






http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/19/article-0-123AFB03000005DC-930_306x583.jpg

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

like I said some people who post on this forum are retarded :(

Don't be so hard on yourself.

Swagman wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

The coal was there but not the nouse to use it :)

It doesn't take a lot of nouse, but they weren't stupid 100,000 years ago. It would have been used at some time like other rocks and put around a fire and they would have learned. Would it have been common? Probably only where there wer natural coal on the surface, wood was much easier to procure. Besides the point though with my reply to cods.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Energy insanity – 14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines in the USA http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013/07/energy-insanity-14000-abandoned-wind-turbines-in-the-usa-2527122.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/19/article-0-123AFB03000005DC-930_306x583.jpg

Debunking Anti-Wind Myth of 14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines in California
http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php?id=340&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=1679&cHash=a6ffbf36a98ab3ba82069d2486ebd7ae

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But what the reader won't know, but I do, is that those turbines work, are operational, are in service--whatever you want to call it--and generate electricity. They are far from "dead".

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:18pm: like I said some people who post on this forum are retarded :( Don't be so hard on yourself.

troll alert !!

would someone trow the bum out of here !!

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:21pm: The coal was there but not the nouse to use it :) It doesn't take a lot of nouse, but they weren't stupid 100,000 years ago. It would have been used at some time like other rocks and put around a fire and they would have learned. Would it have been common? Probably only where there wer natural coal on the surface, wood was much easier to procure. Besides the point though with my reply to cods.

Yep, likely one of those discoveries that enabled a particular family unit to survive better than another.  A bit of early innovation and enterprise.  Likely started trading it as well.  Cave Capitalists.... ;D

That's why they survived.  The socialist cave-comrades are likely still frozen in their caves pretending to work....... ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:39pm: Quote: Abort trying hard to kill off renewable energy If the energy is renewable, how TF can he kill it off?   :-/ By changing the renewable targets and giving authority to some nut job idiots who claim that wind turbines cause health problems even though the dutch has been using wind power for centuries. That abort is a luddite lunatic. No wonder he is a catholic :(

The Dutch windmills were old mechanical pumps used to pump/drain water from wetlands. It didn't matter when the wind didn't blow & the pumping stopped or slowed .... they were't relying on them for power. Todays wind turbines are not efficient because of their cost & maintenance, when the wind don't blow there aint no power .... & yes the noise pollution from the whirring turbines does cause health problems ....... do you have any near you?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:00am: Good. Useless waste of peoples money so AGW fruitloops can sleep at night. You pay for it you nutjobs as opposed to paying through the nose for some suit and tie CEO dickhead to set fire to polluting coal :(

well if you are on grid then you are adding to your own complaint...

go off grid and put a windmill in "your own" back yard and stop bitching...

..............

by the way.. .just up country from here we have a gas fired power plant that they use for boost.... like when it's super hot or cold and people are running a lot of electrical items at once...

on one hot day last year, 43*, the gas power station ran at 100% all day long...

however... the stupid wind farm that got dumped in our back yard ran at only 17%...

fricken useless eyesores...  >:(

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:26pm: Energy insanity – 14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines in the USA http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013/07/energy-insanity-14000-abandoned-wind-turbines-in-the-usa-2527122.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/19/article-0-123AFB03000005DC-930_306x583.jpg Debunking Anti-Wind Myth of 14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines in California http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php?id=340&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=1679&cHash=a6ffbf36a98ab3ba82069d2486ebd7ae edit: Quote: But what the reader won't know, but I do, is that those turbines work, are operational, are in service--whatever you want to call it--and generate electricity. They are far from "dead".

"Type "14,000 abandoned wind turbines" into Google and you'll get 70,000 hits. And not one of those links has the facts straight".


Yet he is the only one that knows the real truth  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D , hilarious! that page is a bunch of gibberish.

I bet he really wants us to believe he's actually checked all 70 000 links too  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D , you global warming cranks crack me up every time, you believe any old shite with a cherry on top  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:33pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 9:21pm: The coal was there but not the nouse to use it :) It doesn't take a lot of nouse, but they weren't stupid 100,000 years ago. It would have been used at some time like other rocks and put around a fire and they would have learned. Would it have been common? Probably only where there wer natural coal on the surface, wood was much easier to procure. Besides the point though with my reply to cods. Yep, likely one of those discoveries that enabled a particular family unit to survive better than another.  A bit of early innovation and enterprise.  Likely started trading it as well.  Cave Capitalists.... ;D That's why they survived.  The socialist cave-comrades are likely still frozen in their caves pretending to work....... ;D

and in those days cave people didn't have some suit and tie CEO prick and its share holders breathing down their necks wanting to steal a piece of the action.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

I bet he really wants us to believe he's actually checked all 70 000 links too  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D , you global warming cranks crack me up every time, you believe any old shite with a cherry on top  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

so what is your point ?

you post a picture of a couple wind turbines that are in need of repair and then somehow we are supposed to believe that all of them are not working. Look who is gullible :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 10:43pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:27pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:18pm: like I said some people who post on this forum are retarded :( Don't be so hard on yourself. troll alert !! would someone trow the bum out of here !!

No, don't throw nails out, he's good for a laugh  ;D

The only renewable energy policy Brer Abbott is interested in is anus gas from his cabinet.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

The only renewable energy policy Brer Abbott is interested in is anus gas from his cabinet.

He may be interested in one thats actually sustainable, one that doesn't require pensioners to turn off their air conditioners and die in order to fund idiotic green schemes.
Kooky green schemes that require massive tax payer subsidies must fold eventually, its cute that the left believes money just comes endlessly from the fairies down at the bottom of the garden but in reality it runs out eventually and then you end up with this ...



http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/284/11/284-1130084703-Abandoned-Windmills.JPG



http://www.mediaust.com.au/media/images_blog/abandoned_windmills-01.jpg


http://images.sp@m.com/polls/003768040/abandoned-wind-turbines-112182908827_xlarge.jpeg

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Windmills are nothing more than religious shrines to the great god of global warming, about as usefull as this ... http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/02/01/Brits-to-Rio-Leave-Jesus-statue-at-home-FBUA4C1-x-large.jpg and setting fire to coal to generate heat is what cave people used to do hundreds and thousands of years ago !!

Yeah and even used air back then as well. We better not build any more windmills lest we be like cavemen.

Quantum wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:19pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 5:54pm: Windmills are nothing more than religious shrines to the great god of global warming, about as usefull as this ... http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/02/01/Brits-to-Rio-Leave-Jesus-statue-at-home-FBUA4C1-x-large.jpg and setting fire to coal to generate heat is what cave people used to do hundreds and thousands of years ago !! Yeah and even used air back then as well. We better not build any more windmills lest we be like cavemen.

Well you wouldn't want to encourage the use of non base load renewable sunlight energy during the day because you might be denying some suit and tie CEO maggot and his circle of parasitic share holders their pound of flesh !!

How terrible !!!

Best to turn the light switch on and draw the curtains because that pesky sun doesn't shine 24 hours a day :D LOL