This is an interesting discussion on the Real News with Chris Hedges on the Pathology of the Rich. Well worth a view IMO

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11150

I don't believe in 'equality', as proposed by leftists and collectivists - which is a philosophy of theft.


I believe in my right to create something.

And i believe in my right to choose to share [or to not share] what i create, with others who have less than i have.

I do not believe in the right of others, who have less than i have, to take [to steal] what i have created.





Poverty does not justify theft.

To live in a world where poverty does justify theft, is to live in a world, filled with confusion and violence.


Poverty does not justify LAWLESSNESS.

Yadda wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:39am:

I don't believe in 'equality', as proposed by leftists and collectivists - which is a philosophy of theft. I believe in my right to create something. And i believe in my right to choose to share [or to not share] what i create, with others who have less than i have. I do not believe in the right of others, who have less than i have, to take [to steal] what i have created. Poverty does not justify theft. To live in a world where poverty does justify theft, is to live in a world, filled with confusion and violence. Poverty does not justify LAWLESSNESS.

Where do your resouces come from?

Chris Hedges......

"So we have a popular uprising through the Occupy movement where people pour into public spaces to express legitimate grievances--student debt, the next bubble to go down, $1 trillion in debt, which we now saw, courtesy of our Congress, debt rates, you know, interest rates will actually go up in a couple of years, I mean, more than if they'd just taken it from a bank. It's insane. And meanwhile the Federal Reserve is buying $85 billion a month worth of junk bonds and giving money at virtually zero percent interest to Goldman Sachs. I mean, it's insane. The failure to address the mortgage and foreclosure crisis, the failure to address the chronic unemployment, underemployment, which--I mean, half of the country now lives in poverty, including the working poor, or near poverty.

And what is the response? The response is to physically shut down the encampments, suspend unemployment benefits, cut food stamps, close things like Head Start. It's crazy. And that's what happens when you have an elite that is that unplugged, and which our elite is. So they will push and push and push myopically out of ignorance until something erupts. And that's exactly where we're headed."

BOTR

Rancour of the lazy

viewpoint wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 6:43am:

Rancour of the lazy

appended;
.....and the envious.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 1:53am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:39am: I don't believe in 'equality', as proposed by leftists and collectivists - which is a philosophy of theft. I believe in my right to create something. And i believe in my right to choose to share [or to not share] what i create, with others who have less than i have. I do not believe in the right of others, who have less than i have, to take [to steal] what i have created. Poverty does not justify theft. To live in a world where poverty does justify theft, is to live in a world, filled with confusion and violence. Poverty does not justify LAWLESSNESS. Where do your resouces come from?

I assume you are referring to the resources that i need to produce/create [goods/service] ?

They can come from 3 obvious places/sources;
1/ they are given to me [as a gift].
2/ i work for them.
3/ i buy them.







+++






MORE TO THINK ABOUT;

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY. Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

viewpoint wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 6:43am:

Rancour of the lazy

Well, not even the fox channel is stupid enough to accuse Chris Hedges of laziness. 9 books in 5 years, everyone a solid seller, some best sellers and 1 for which he got the Pulitzer prize.  But we're used to you hurling the first abuse that comes to your mind. Does sh!t for your credibility let me tell ya.   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

viewpoint wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:43am: Rancour of the lazy Well, not even the fox channel is stupid enough to accuse Chris Hedges of laziness. 9 books in 5 years, everyone a solid seller, some best sellers and 1 for which he got the Pulitzer prize.  But we're used to you hurling the first abuse that comes to your mind. Does sh!t for your credibility let me tell ya.

Oh I'm not referring to the author of that "piece", I'm directing my post at you......he's obviously making a fortune, while twats like you are as envious as hell, but are still dumb enough to promote his work..... ;D

viewpoint wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:16am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:10am: viewpoint wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:43am: Rancour of the lazy Well, not even the fox channel is stupid enough to accuse Chris Hedges of laziness. 9 books in 5 years, everyone a solid seller, some best sellers and 1 for which he got the Pulitzer prize.  But we're used to you hurling the first abuse that comes to your mind. Does sh!t for your credibility let me tell ya.    Oh I'm not referring to the author of that "piece", I'm directing my post at you......he's obviously making a fortune, while twats like you are as envious as hell, but are still dumb enough to promote his work..... ;D

Well its his piece not mine.  He's talking about the pathology of the rich and he's not lazy.  Whats the matter.  Did the discussion offend your grovelling, yes massa, slave like sensitivities. BTW you got this brown stuff dripping from your nose and lips. Better wipe it. Its making everyone puke.   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

This is an interesting discussion on the Real News with Chris Hedges on the Pathology of the Rich. Well worth a view IMO http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11150

Thanks mate this is really great.

viewpoint wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:16am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:10am: viewpoint wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:43am: Rancour of the lazy Well, not even the fox channel is stupid enough to accuse Chris Hedges of laziness. 9 books in 5 years, everyone a solid seller, some best sellers and 1 for which he got the Pulitzer prize.  But we're used to you hurling the first abuse that comes to your mind. Does sh!t for your credibility let me tell ya.    Oh I'm not referring to the author of that "piece", I'm directing my post at you......he's obviously making a fortune, while twats like you are as envious as hell, but are still dumb enough to promote his work..... ;D

lol a rich man pretending not to be rich I like it..

it doesnt say who he donated his Pulitzer prize money too.. ::)

and I laughed when he has a go at Bush for being born into a rich family..but manages to forget to mention the Kennedys...whos wealth was made on the back of a very dodgy back called Joe.
who was a nazi lover to boot... maybe the pathology of the kennedys wealth doesnt stand up.. ;D ;D..

and there me thinking they were called Americas Royal Family... ::) ::)

Yadda wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:39am:

I don't believe in 'equality', as proposed by leftists and collectivists - which is a philosophy of theft. I believe in my right to create something. And i believe in my right to choose to share [or to not share] what i create, with others who have less than i have. I do not believe in the right of others, who have less than i have, to take [to steal] what i have created. Poverty does not justify theft. To live in a world where poverty does justify theft, is to live in a world, filled with confusion and violence. Poverty does not justify LAWLESSNESS.

So if you were penniless and starving you would watch your family die, rather than steal to keep them alive?

Somehow, I don't think so.

The PP is a medal and $10k. Hardly a fortune.

Yes. Joe Kennedy had a very sleazy background. Not only was he a Nazi sympathiser, he was also a bootlegger with close links to organised crime.

There is evidence his Mafia connections helped his son win the Presidency.

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

viewpoint wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:16am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:10am: viewpoint wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:43am: Rancour of the lazy Well, not even the fox channel is stupid enough to accuse Chris Hedges of laziness. 9 books in 5 years, everyone a solid seller, some best sellers and 1 for which he got the Pulitzer prize.  But we're used to you hurling the first abuse that comes to your mind. Does sh!t for your credibility let me tell ya.    Oh I'm not referring to the author of that "piece", I'm directing my post at you......he's obviously making a fortune, while twats like you are as envious as hell, but are still dumb enough to promote his work..... ;D lol a rich man pretending not to be rich I like it.. it doesnt say who he donated his Pulitzer prize money too.. ::) and I laughed when he has a go at Bush for being born into a rich family..but manages to forget to mention the Kennedys...whos wealth was made on the back of a very dodgy back called Joe. who was a nazi lover to boot... maybe the pathology of the kennedys wealth doesnt stand up.. ;D ;D.. and there me thinking they were called Americas Royal Family... ::) ::)

What on earth are you trying to say? You're all over the place again.  How do your comments about the Kennedy's detract from what Hedges was saying.  And why's he supposed to give his Pulitzer prize away?  What convoluted confusion led you to that conclusion?

Yadda wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:53am: Yadda wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:39am: I don't believe in 'equality', as proposed by leftists and collectivists - which is a philosophy of theft. I believe in my right to create something. And i believe in my right to choose to share [or to not share] what i create, with others who have less than i have. I do not believe in the right of others, who have less than i have, to take [to steal] what i have created. Poverty does not justify theft. To live in a world where poverty does justify theft, is to live in a world, filled with confusion and violence. Poverty does not justify LAWLESSNESS. Where do your resouces come from? I assume you are referring to the resources that i need to produce/create [goods/service] ? They can come from 3 obvious places/sources; 1/ they are given to me [as a gift]. 2/ i work for them. 3/ i buy them. atleast that's sensible!  :D +++ MORE TO THINK ABOUT; 'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0 Quote: A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY. Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

Fartacus

Quote:

"What convoluted confusion led you to that conclusion"?

Did you get the Pulitzer Prize for coming out with that flowery little grammatical gem? Now you really need a tissue to wipe off that bit of verbal diarrhoea.

viewpoint wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Fartacus Quote: "What convoluted confusion led you to that conclusion"? Did you get the Pulitzer Prize for coming out with that flowery little grammatical gem? Now you really need a tissue to wipe off that bit of verbal diarrhoea.

Oh you are a cantankerous old fool aren't you.  The fact that you singled it out and quoted it; took the time and made the effort to comment on it and then even likened it to something worthy of a Pulitzer Prize betrays your true sentiments about my turn of phrase. Me thinks you protest too much.  But relax, its just one of those things that happen every once in a while when the words just fall into place. No big deal. It happens to all of us on occasion, though perhaps not you.  You're too focused on your anger to allow us even the slightest glimpse of a softer side.    

This is why unfettered capitalism will fail once again and hopefully for the last time.

A cap of $117,000 for multi billionaires......how ludicrous.

900 wealthiest Americans exempted from paying 2014 Social Security past Jan. 2nd

A small, elite group of US citizens has already met their 2014 financial obligation for Social Security two days into the New Year, and will no longer be required to contribute any of their income to the federal program.

Nearly all working Americans will continue to pay the social security tax through the duration of 2014. The 900 wealthiest, however, have fulfilled their responsibility for the whole year on Thursday by earning $117,000 – the maximum total social security is allowed to take from an individual income each year - on the first and second days of the month.

Democrats successfully raised the cap from $106,800 to its current level in 2009. Unfortunately, for the millions of Americans who rely on the program much of the political discussion in recent years has focused on slashing benefits.

President Obama – who along with the Democratic Party has positioned himself as a protector of the elderly and disabled – recently proposed a change to how Social Security benefits are calculated.

The new measure, known as Chained CPI, would cut $230 billion in benefits over ten years by gradually shaving dollars off a retiree's income as they grow older. Someone who started receiving benefits at age 62, for instance, would lose roughly one month's income by the time they turn 92, when that money would certainly be much more valuable.

http://rt.com/usa/900-super-rich-no-taxes-158/


BOTR NOW!!!!

envy is as bad a vice as self pity

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 4:34pm:

envy is as bad a vice as self pity

You simple little man

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

The PP is a medal and $10k. Hardly a fortune. Yes. Joe Kennedy had a very sleazy background. Not only was he a Nazi sympathiser, he was also a bootlegger with close links to organised crime. There is evidence his Mafia connections helped his son win the Presidency.

And the income from the book sales?

He's written 9 books and apparently some have been best sellers (which means sales of around 5,000 copies a week to qualify).
I doubt any of them were given away, or priced at less than $20. That's a LOT of money.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

BOTR NOW!!!!

And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place...

Quantum wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 12:23am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place...

Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day.

Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have.

BOTR NOW!!!!

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 4:34pm: envy is as bad a vice as self pity You simple little man

you got me :D

work hard, be generous to your family and your trusted friends, be generous to the deserving poor.  be lucky ;), be a winner. be kind to animals. dont hand wring about problems that hand wringing does nothing about (the main problem with leftards is the sheer futility of their aimless rudderless compassion)

the harder i work the luckier i get.

life is very very simple when you break it down into simple buddhist karma.

how does all the leftard tears and moral hand wringing help the poor.  answer  :   it f^^king doesnt.
the aetheist , leftard elite would be better throwing in their lot with the christians they despise so much.
when i tour inner suburbia, its always the christian outreach vans tending to the poor drunk urban homeless.

see, its that simple, dont even bother having an intellectual debate. theres plenty of good work to be done.  you dont need to cry crocodile tears over the poor in the rest of the world, or greggys assylum seekers, or some dudes in syria when the poor are suffering in a storm water drain within spitting distance of your own house

aquascoot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 7:42pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 4:34pm: envy is as bad a vice as self pity You simple little man you got me :D work hard, be generous to your family and your trusted friends, be generous to the deserving poor.  be lucky ;), be a winner. be kind to animals. dont hand wring about problems that hand wringing does nothing about (the main problem with leftards is the sheer futility of their aimless rudderless compassion) the harder i work the luckier i get. life is very very simple when you break it down into simple buddhist karma. how does all the leftard tears and moral hand wringing help the poor.  answer  :   it f^^king doesnt. the aetheist , leftard elite would be better throwing in their lot with the christians they despise so much. when i tour inner suburbia, its always the christian outreach vans tending to the poor drunk urban homeless. see, its that simple, dont even bother having an intellectual debate. theres plenty of good work to be done.  you dont need to cry crocodile tears over the poor in the rest of the world, or greggys assylum seekers, or some dudes in syria when the poor are suffering in a storm water drain within spitting distance of your own house

Clearly you have very little understanding of what socialism is. Its not about charity or about anything you mention in your ignorant tirade (though the unfortunate people you refer to would do much better under a socialist system then the miserable way they are treated today).  Its about winning our communities back from your one dimensional view of life (money) and fairly rewarding those who are the true creators of value in our society (the 99%). Your like a cancer sucking the life out of us all and every day on this forum repeating over and over and over; you deserve more, you deserve more, you deserve more. Well, your way out of step my friend. See you on the other side.

Oh and

BOTR NOW!!!    

Yadda wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 12:39am:

Poverty does not justify theft. Poverty does not justify LAWLESSNESS.

Really??

And yet poverty, when it reaches a critical mass, is the soundest justification for revolution.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:25am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:02am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 7:42pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 4:34pm: envy is as bad a vice as self pity You simple little man you got me :D work hard, be generous to your family and your trusted friends, be generous to the deserving poor.  be lucky ;), be a winner. be kind to animals. dont hand wring about problems that hand wringing does nothing about (the main problem with leftards is the sheer futility of their aimless rudderless compassion) the harder i work the luckier i get. life is very very simple when you break it down into simple buddhist karma. how does all the leftard tears and moral hand wringing help the poor.  answer  :   it f^^king doesnt. the aetheist , leftard elite would be better throwing in their lot with the christians they despise so much. when i tour inner suburbia, its always the christian outreach vans tending to the poor drunk urban homeless. see, its that simple, dont even bother having an intellectual debate. theres plenty of good work to be done.  you dont need to cry crocodile tears over the poor in the rest of the world, or greggys assylum seekers, or some dudes in syria when the poor are suffering in a storm water drain within spitting distance of your own house Clearly you have very little understanding of what socialism is. Its not about charity or about anything you mention in your ignorant tirade (though the unfortunate people you refer to would do much better under a socialist system then the miserable way they are treated today).  Its about winning our communities back from your one dimensional view of life (money) and fairly rewarding those who are the true creators of value in our society (the 99%). Your like a cancer sucking the life out of us all and every day on this forum repeating over and over and over; you deserve more, you deserve more, you deserve more. Well, your way out of step my friend. See you on the other side. Oh and BOTR NOW!!!

:D :D :D.  I Dont want more. ive got too much already. i'm just very discriminatory in the way i share it around.
one must encourage good respectful behaviour.  one must be a bit paradoxical.  the whiners and sooks must not be given much as this would be rewarding "bad behaviour". the stoics and those who bravely "take up their cross' in a quiet way should be helped and this is the way to improve ones own personal karma and also to improve human behaviour.

by rewarding (on a personal level), the child, friend, employee, neighbour or stranger who si struggling bravely (IN SILENCE ;)), one can do something to make the world a better place.

for politicians to continually only look after the needs of the "squeaky wheel" is what got us to this state of a helpless, weak, and ungrateful society in the first place  ;)

and i do find those always pushing the "socialist model" are usually the squeakiest wheels of all ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:42am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:25am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 7:02am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 7:42pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 4:34pm: envy is as bad a vice as self pity You simple little man you got me :D work hard, be generous to your family and your trusted friends, be generous to the deserving poor.  be lucky ;), be a winner. be kind to animals. dont hand wring about problems that hand wringing does nothing about (the main problem with leftards is the sheer futility of their aimless rudderless compassion) the harder i work the luckier i get. life is very very simple when you break it down into simple buddhist karma. how does all the leftard tears and moral hand wringing help the poor.  answer  :   it f^^king doesnt. the aetheist , leftard elite would be better throwing in their lot with the christians they despise so much. when i tour inner suburbia, its always the christian outreach vans tending to the poor drunk urban homeless. see, its that simple, dont even bother having an intellectual debate. theres plenty of good work to be done.  you dont need to cry crocodile tears over the poor in the rest of the world, or greggys assylum seekers, or some dudes in syria when the poor are suffering in a storm water drain within spitting distance of your own house Clearly you have very little understanding of what socialism is. Its not about charity or about anything you mention in your ignorant tirade (though the unfortunate people you refer to would do much better under a socialist system then the miserable way they are treated today).  Its about winning our communities back from your one dimensional view of life (money) and fairly rewarding those who are the true creators of value in our society (the 99%). Your like a cancer sucking the life out of us all and every day on this forum repeating over and over and over; you deserve more, you deserve more, you deserve more. Well, your way out of step my friend. See you on the other side. Oh and BOTR NOW!!!     :D :D :D.  I Dont want more. ive got too much already. i'm just very discriminatory in the way i share it around. one must encourage good respectful behaviour.  one must be a bit paradoxical.  the whiners and sooks must not be given much as this would be rewarding "bad behaviour". the stoics and those who bravely "take up their cross' in a quiet way should be helped and this is the way to improve ones own personal karma and also to improve human behaviour. by rewarding (on a personal level), the child, friend, employee, neighbour or stranger who si struggling bravely (IN SILENCE ;)), one can do something to make the world a better place. for politicians to continually only look after the needs of the "squeaky wheel" is what got us to this state of a helpless, weak, and ungrateful society in the first place  ;) and i do find those always pushing the "socialist model" are usually the squeakiest wheels of all ;)

Yeah, yeah we know you're a self made man and we got to be tough on people. We're just not being tough enough. Now run off in the corner and play. The adults have things to discuss

Oh and I almost forgot again

BOTR NOW!!!   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 6:48am:

BOTR NOW!!!!

Beaufort Ole Towne Rotary????

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 5:26am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have.

You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole.

If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all.

Quantum wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 9:33am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all.

Hey Longy!!!  Gee that's some confused, contorted flow of logic there.  You might want to take it for the top again, just one more time.   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 9:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all. Hey Longy!!!  Gee that's some confused, contorted flow of logic there.  You might want to take it for the top again, just one more time.

Oh good, another spot like self proclaimed king of logic fellow who doesn't make any sense...

If Pansi was really causing change that she thinks will lead people of the future to thank her for her work, then things should be changing in her preferable direction. Instead, things are changing in a way that she doesn't want. In other words she has done fck all but cry on the Internet and has archived nothing.


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Hey Longy!!!

Wow, that's original. Did you come up with that theory all on your own? Or did pansi offer to bend over and let you play with her spiderwebs if you mimicked her?

Quantum wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 10:19am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 9:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all. Hey Longy!!!  Gee that's some confused, contorted flow of logic there.  You might want to take it for the top again, just one more time.    Oh good, another spot like self proclaimed king of logic fellow who doesn't make any sense... If Pansi was really causing change that she thinks will lead people of the future to thank her for her work, then things should be changing in her preferable direction. Instead, things are changing in a way that she doesn't want. In other words she has done fck all but cry on the Internet and has archived nothing. See!!! That wasn't so hard. You just need to take a little time to collect your thoughts and then type them out in an ordered way.  As a consequence your restatement of what you were trying to say is much better. Still wrong you understand but at least its logical.  Unfortunately, for your argument, however, the bit I have highlighted in your post does not accord with the facts (an error you seem to commonly make, if one is to believe the charge that is almost universally made against you. And of course if one is to accept that you are in fact Mr Longy, which again I do not believe is seriously in doubt). As you will see in even mainstream media, they are reporting a noticeable renewed interest in socialism amongst the younger generation. A phenomena which I think we can safely attribute in no small measure to Pansi for concluding each of her posts with the now legendary battle cry "BOTR NOW!!!! "    Quote: Hey Longy!!! Wow, that's original. Did you come up with that theory all on your own? Or did pansi offer to bend over and let you play with her spiderwebs if you mimicked her? Well of course one does not always have to be original to be funny, as indeed this very instance bears out

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 1:58pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:16pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 10:19am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 9:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all. Hey Longy!!!  Gee that's some confused, contorted flow of logic there.  You might want to take it for the top again, just one more time.    Oh good, another spot like self proclaimed king of logic fellow who doesn't make any sense... If Pansi was really causing change that she thinks will lead people of the future to thank her for her work, then things should be changing in her preferable direction. Instead, things are changing in a way that she doesn't want. In other words she has done fck all but cry on the Internet and has archived nothing. See!!! That wasn't so hard. You just need to take a little time to collect your thoughts and then type them out in an ordered way.  As a consequence your restatement of what you were trying to say is much better. Still wrong you understand but at least its logical, if it were true.  Unfortunately, for your argument, however, the bit I have highlighted in your post does not accord with the facts (an error you seem to commonly make, if one is to believe the charge that is almost universally made against you. And of course if one is to accept that you are in fact Mr Longy, which again I do not believe is seriously in doubt). Quote: Hey Longy!!! Wow, that's original. Did you come up with that theory all on your own? Or did pansi offer to bend over and let you play with her spiderwebs if you mimicked her? Well of course one does not always have to be original to be funny, as indeed this very instance bears out

Where the fck do you people come from? What was your old user name? You obviously have an issue with me despite (to the best of my knowledge) never having interacted with me.

Obviously a friend of pansi because there is no sense in anything you are saying. Maybe her sock perhaps? How could you say this BS;

"if one is to believe the charge that is almost universally made against you. And of course if one is to accept that you are in fact Mr Longy, which again I do not believe is seriously in doubt"

And not having something to do with her? She is the ONLY person who thinks I am longy's sock. At least until you came along. But since you believe this charge against me is universal, you should have no trouble finding other quotes from people accusing me of it. Take your time...

Pathology:
1. the science or the study of the origin, nature, and course of diseases.
2. the conditions and processes of a disease.
3. any deviation from a healthy, normal, or efficient condition.

Is there someone here who thinks being rich is to be sick in some way? Rhetorical question.

Quantum wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 1:58pm: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:16pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 10:19am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 9:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all. Hey Longy!!!  Gee that's some confused, contorted flow of logic there.  You might want to take it for the top again, just one more time.    Oh good, another spot like self proclaimed king of logic fellow who doesn't make any sense... If Pansi was really causing change that she thinks will lead people of the future to thank her for her work, then things should be changing in her preferable direction. Instead, things are changing in a way that she doesn't want. In other words she has done fck all but cry on the Internet and has archived nothing. See!!! That wasn't so hard. You just need to take a little time to collect your thoughts and then type them out in an ordered way.  As a consequence your restatement of what you were trying to say is much better. Still wrong you understand but at least its logical, if it were true.  Unfortunately, for your argument, however, the bit I have highlighted in your post does not accord with the facts (an error you seem to commonly make, if one is to believe the charge that is almost universally made against you. And of course if one is to accept that you are in fact Mr Longy, which again I do not believe is seriously in doubt). Quote: Hey Longy!!! Wow, that's original. Did you come up with that theory all on your own? Or did pansi offer to bend over and let you play with her spiderwebs if you mimicked her? Well of course one does not always have to be original to be funny, as indeed this very instance bears out Where the fck do you people come from? What was your old user name? You obviously have an issue with me despite (to the best of my knowledge) never having interacted with me. Obviously a friend of pansi because there is no sense in anything you are saying. Maybe her sock perhaps? How could you say this BS; "if one is to believe the charge that is almost universally made against you. And of course if one is to accept that you are in fact Mr Longy, which again I do not believe is seriously in doubt" And not having something to do with her? She is the ONLY person who thinks I am longy's sock. At least until you came along. But since you believe this charge against me is universal, you should have no trouble finding other quotes from people accusing me of it. Take your time...

relax.. I'm taking the mick. I have nothing against you. It seemed funny at the time but clearly you are more sensitive about it then I had thought.  Mind you if it turns out you are Longy's sock, I'm calling you out on it.    

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

Pathology: 1. the science or the study of the origin, nature, and course of diseases. 2. the conditions and processes of a disease. 3. any deviation from a healthy, normal, or efficient condition. Is there someone here who thinks being rich is to be sick in some way? Rhetorical question.

Well I posted the link to the Chris Hedges interview.  Why don't you see what he says on the subject since he chose the title. 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 9:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all. Hey Longy!!!  Gee that's some confused, contorted flow of logic there.  You might want to take it for the top again, just one more time.

i try to be fairly logical in my thought processes and i can see the logic in quantums case.
ive read quite a few pansi posts and whilst they are never short of emotion, they are often short of logic ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 10:19am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 9:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all. Hey Longy!!!  Gee that's some confused, contorted flow of logic there.  You might want to take it for the top again, just one more time.    i try to be fairly logical in my thought processes and i can see the logic in quantums case. ive read quite a few pansi posts and whilst they are never short of emotion, they are often short of logic ;)

Ohhh Cant agree with that at all. Pansi is one of the clearer thinkers in this whole forum.  And I cant tell you an instance where I thought her logic was in any way compromised by her emotion.  No I gots heaps of respect for Pansi. 

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 5:26am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have.

lol

u reckon?

So it's logical to wreck the great barrier reef or to pollute our water supply through CSG fracturing for short term gain, that mostly feathers the pockets of nations other than our own?

It's logical to be the nation that almost holds the record for flora and fauna distinction?

It's logical to ruin your own planet beyond repair?

It's logical to arrest five men for having ice creams with their families?

Thankfully, the end of growth and capitalism might be our saving grace.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:17am:

So it's logical to wreck the great barrier reef or to pollute our water supply through CSG fracturing for short term gain, that mostly feathers the pockets of nations other than our own? It's logical to be the nation that almost holds the record for flora and fauna distinction? It's logical to ruin your own planet beyond repair? It's logical to arrest five men for having ice creams with their families? Thankfully, the end of growth and capitalism might be our saving grace.

but crazy leftards arent going to fix any of these things.
with their crazy big government, big spending denticare, gonski, disability care, social welfare and massive public service spends, they HAVE to have economic growth , even more so than a small government, small immigration, small business conservative government.

that zany guy rudd said so himself....he believes in a BIG australia, 40 million or so,  milne and those zany greens want open borders and lots and lots of new mouths to feed, requiring even more growth and population expansion.

if you want to save the reef, if you want to save the environment  then get rid of this monster that is canberra and all its ludicrous waste(and lust for growth and power) and we can become a sustainable vibrant rural decentralised nation.

i have plenty of time for true greens who live in the bush sustainably. i have a zero tolerance policy for urban trendy green and socialist hypocrites who want all the trappings of the capitalist system and then want to expand the roles and responsibilities of government.  if you cant see that these two ideas are pulling in opposite directions , you are truly lost.

as an example, one socialist anna bligh approved more new coal leases than any previous premier of qld and started work on 3 new ports to haul coal thru the barrier reef. why?. because the stupid bitch ran up 90 billion in debt on socialist garbage and lost the triple A rating and had to find a new source of income.

small government, small social welfare spend and we can leave a smaller footprint....you MUST agree with this???

Now, now, aquascoot, calm down your allowing your emotions to affect your logic. And it shows when you just assert things without a shred of reasoning to explain how you arrive at your conclusions.


aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

if you want to save the reef, if you want to save the environment  then get rid of this monster that is canberra and all its ludicrous waste(and lust for growth and power) and we can become a sustainable vibrant rural decentralised nation.

How will this work? You don't explain it, you just assert it. It's like some old drunk whose had a belly full and goes off expecting nothing more then his rage to make his case. Its useless to everybody, let alone those who are trying to find genuine solutions to the mess the world has gotten itself in.   


aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

i have a zero tolerance policy for urban trendy green and socialist hypocrites who want all the trappings of the capitalist system and then want to expand the roles and responsibilities of government.  if you cant see that these two ideas are pulling in opposite directions , you are truly lost.

OH for goodness sake. How? Tell us!!! Don't just assert it. Tell us how you get to that conclusion. You do know govts can do more then 1 thing at a time. You can have an education policy at the same time that you have a defence (orwellian for war) policy.  Of course what you're really saying is that the govt can't protect the environment while it does other things that are low on your priorities. Saying we cant have environmental protection and do gonski and disability care at the same time is like saying we cant protect the environment AND spend billions fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq or we cant protect the environment AND give YOU tax cuts, tax exceptions and a lower tax rate then everyone else. So do you understand aquascoot.  All you're doing is asserting that you have different priorities to us and then claiming that we're "really lost" if we cant see how implementing your priorities and protecting the environment "are pulling in the opposite direction". (Oh and just as an aside when the polls showed over and over that a huge majority of Australian's wanted a resources tax to help fund government programs it was your side of politics went troppo). But if my guessing at what you're trying to say is incorrect why don't you go ahead and fill in the gaps and explain how you get from your assertions to your conclusion.   

Here, let me show you how.  (1) Unregulated capitalism is a system of economic activity that runs in the opposite direction of environmental protection (That was Spartacus' assertion and now comes Spartacus' reasons, the bit you always miss out). Capitalism produces and uses up resources for profit instead of for what the community needs and what is in the interests of the community.  Therefore Capitalism (and especially unregulated capitalism) will happily frac and happily risk transporting oil through the Great Barrier reef because this does make profits even though it is not in the medium to short term interests of the environment and thereby the community. There, you starting to follow how logical argument (instead of emotions" flows.  Lets try another example shall we. (2) Unregulated capitalism runs in the opposite direction of environmental protection because history has shown over and over and over that capitalism will do everything it can to maximize profits even if that means not telling the world that their nuclear power plant is leaking 300 tons of radioactive water into the sea every day; even if that mean taking short cuts and spilling unfathomable amounts of oil into the Gulf of Mexico and rendering it a dead zone. And this is just as much a problem with small business and farmers (who are less visible) as it is with big business. Clearly more regulation not less regulation is whats needed from an environmental point of view.  Lets tray another shall we. (3) Unregulated capitalism runs in the opposite direction of environmental protection because the nature of capitalism is to encourage more and more consumerism which leads to the burning of more and more fossil fuel, more and more depletion and pollution of the waterways and the land, lower quality, less durable throw away goods and more and more global warming (just to mention a very few of the detrimental impacts. And its getting worse. Why? Because capitalism says if you dont grow bigger this year then you did last year you're a failure.  The recipe for self destruction. See how its done. 

Oh and just one last thing; anna bligh a socialist?  You really have lost it.  Clearly your definition of socialism is anything that falls in your ever growing list of things that you happen not to like and are are opposed to.

Quantum wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 9:33am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 5:26am: Quantum wrote on Jan 8th, 2014 at 12:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2014 at 3:59pm: BOTR NOW!!!! And I'm sure if you keep typing that on your computer the world will magically become a better place... Oh I walk the walk every single day of my life, and will continue to do so until my dying day. Myself and many others like me have been instrumental in causing change and it's people like us that will be thanked by future generations......for at least trying to give them the same quality of life we have. You hate Abbott and you hate Newman. You hate everything they stand for and the way they are running things. You have even brought Nazi comparisons into it. Yet, here they are in power. Apparently every day making this place worse and it won't be long before we are a fascist backwards undeveloped hole. If you and people like you are really causing change, then you seem to be changing everything into the very things you hate. Either that or your keyboard heroics has done fck all.

Who likes newman  ;D

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 7:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 6:17am: So it's logical to wreck the great barrier reef or to pollute our water supply through CSG fracturing for short term gain, that mostly feathers the pockets of nations other than our own? It's logical to be the nation that almost holds the record for flora and fauna distinction? It's logical to ruin your own planet beyond repair? It's logical to arrest five men for having ice creams with their families? Thankfully, the end of growth and capitalism might be our saving grace. but crazy leftards arent going to fix any of these things. with their crazy big government, big spending denticare, gonski, disability care, social welfare and massive public service spends, they HAVE to have economic growth , even more so than a small government, small immigration, small business conservative government. that zany guy rudd said so himself....he believes in a BIG australia, 40 million or so,  milne and those zany greens want open borders and lots and lots of new mouths to feed, requiring even more growth and population expansion. if you want to save the reef, if you want to save the environment  then get rid of this monster that is canberra and all its ludicrous waste(and lust for growth and power) and we can become a sustainable vibrant rural decentralised nation. i have plenty of time for true greens who live in the bush sustainably. i have a zero tolerance policy for urban trendy green and socialist hypocrites who want all the trappings of the capitalist system and then want to expand the roles and responsibilities of government.  if you cant see that these two ideas are pulling in opposite directions , you are truly lost. as an example, one socialist anna bligh approved more new coal leases than any previous premier of qld and started work on 3 new ports to haul coal thru the barrier reef. why?. because the stupid bitch ran up 90 billion in debt on socialist garbage and lost the triple A rating and had to find a new source of income. small government, small social welfare spend and we can leave a smaller footprint....you MUST agree with this???

Hockey loves big govt! Direct action and all dat brah  :-?