Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am
John S wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:04am:
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Such an unbelievably short period of time, that I can't believe anyone is even mentioning it.
Seriously people, get some perspective.
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Title: Hottest year on record Post by the wise one on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:04am
Australia has just sweltered through its hottest year on record, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.
Average temperatures were 1.20 degrees Celsius above the long-term average of 21.8C, breaking the previous record set in 2005 by 0.17C, the bureau said in its Annual Climate Statement. All states and territories recorded above average temperatures in 2013, with Western Australia, Northern Territory and South Australia all breaking annual average temperature records. The country recorded its hottest day on January 7, as well as the hottest week and hottest month on record. Meanwhile, extreme conditions have persisted into the first days of 2014, with soaring temperatures in areas extending from Queensland's interior to Central Australia, northern South Australia and north-western New South Wales. http://www.abc.net.au/news/#state=nsw So come all you d!ckheads explain how you think it isn't getting warmer and wasn't the 2012 the hottest on record back then |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:07am
big fn deal...
how do you know how hot it was 100 years ago... 200 years ago... a million years ago.. you climate disciples are like Henny Penny the Chicken.. the sky is falling the sky is falling... !!!! :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:08am
This proves the we are in a global cooling cycle.
Since January 2013, Australia's temperatures has cooled. We are saved, and we have Tony Abbott and his removal of the evil carbon tax to thank. Congratulations to all the deniers who for year valiantly exposed the biggest conspiracy the world has ever seen. Your faith, and belief in God, won over those dirty communists. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The Heartless Felon on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:08am 2011 was the wettest on record; it's a bit dry now though... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:10am
Better links:
2013 was hottest year on record in Australia, Bureau of Meteorology says (ABC Online) Annual climate statement 2013 (Bureau of Meteorology) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am John S wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:04am:
Such an unbelievably short period of time, that I can't believe anyone is even mentioning it. Seriously people, get some perspective. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by GeorgeH on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am
Amazing how many “hottest ever. . .” records continue to be broken.
Imagine what it’d be like if we had global warming! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am:
Yes in geological terms 104 years is but a blink of an eye. How long should we maintain records before using the data Greg? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am
I'd like to know where all of these record high temperatures were because they were certainly weren't in my area and I live in part of Australia...
over the past 6 months (Victoria) I'd have to say its been below average as far as temperatures go... and a bit higher in rain fall compared to recent years... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by GeorgeH on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:07am:
100 years ago—they had thermometers then too! Last 1000 years—we know of temperature extremes Prehistorical—ice cores, tree rings, fossil evidence etc. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Greens_Win on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:20am
I thought the anti science mob were saying we were not heating.
Time for nuclear power … although this technology is not suited to a global heating world unless we ignore the environmental damage it causes. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:23am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am:
Now that's an understatement. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:25am St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:27am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:23am:
Any chance you might address my question Greg? How long before we can use the collected data? How long have we been collecting Lung Cancer data? Mid 50's? Why is that ok to use re smoking yet 104 years is too short |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:31am True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am:
Ah yes, your victorian beach side town, the last standout to global warming and rising sea levels. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:32am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:27am:
Why do you have an obsession with collecting weather data? What do you plan to do with it? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:43am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:32am:
Stop running You asserted that the data collected cannot be relied upon because its too short a period How long before these records become valid source of information in your opinion? Its not a hard question, 200 years, 500, 1000? greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:45am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:27am:
The problem is, we just don't have enough accurate data. Those who pray at the church of AGW believe that humans are contributing to global warming. Humans have been around for about 200,000 years. Therefore, at the very least, we would need to see accurate records that go back 400,000 years: 200,000 years before humans were here and 200,000 years of them inhabiting the Earth. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:52am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:45am:
OK, if thats the case how can we rely on ANYTHING derived from observational records? Medicine relies on records, no medical records date back 200,000 years so why do we take notice of those observational findings? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:57am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:52am:
Exactly. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Soren on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:20am
The question is - why was it the warmest year since records began?
2010 was Perth's coldest winter on record. 2013 Will Finish One Of The Ten Coldest Years In US History, With The Largest Drop In Temperature New record low temperature for Northern Hemisphere set in Russia's Siberia - 24 Feb 2014 |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:30am Soren wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:20am:
I think that the world goes through natural cycles depending on tilts and how it rotates around the sun... for instance... this year seems to be the furthest south I've seen the sun set through the summer period in the past 13 years I've been living at this residence... and usually you'll find, like always.. that when one part of the world is having record HIGH temperatures another part will be having the lowest temps on record... and when one part of the world is having drought, another will be in flood... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by buzzanddidj on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:39am True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am:
SOMEONE had to say it The Bureau of Meteorology are just making these figures up ! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:48am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:18am:
The economy is also irrelevant in geological terms yet we consider it important. We're all going to be dead in 100 years also, yet we place so much importance on our lives. Geology isn't that important - what matters is that we are making a lot of changes to it to maintain our lifestyle. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:52am St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am:
We do see the occasional "coldest ever" record as well but these days they are outnumbered by equivalent "hottest ever" records. The numbers I'm waiting to see are the global figures for 2013. They will be worth looking at when they become available. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:45am:
What are your qualifications, such that you can judge that they don't have the data for that level of confidence? Or are you saying that nothing less than 100% will suffice? Wouldn't that be extremely - dare I say it - Conservative? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Soren on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:10pm # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Lack of accountability clouding the climate change debate January 3, 2014 John McLean The world's so-called authority on climate change engages in exaggerated science and has become a political tool. The reality is that the IPCC is in effect little more than a UN-sponsored lobby group, created specifically to investigate and push the ''man-made warming'' line. With no similar organisations to examine other potential causes of climate change, it's only the IPCC voice that is heard. But the IPCC's voice isn't heard in context and with all the necessary caveats; it's distorted via the UNFCCC and others who imply that the IPCC is the sole scientific authority on climate matters. Of course those with vested interest support it, which include governments, politicians, government bodies, ''green'' groups and many scientists. Ultimately it's the unquestioning media, or perhaps a media unwilling to admit that the UN and its agencies might be dishonest or wrong, that misleads the public into believing the IPCC is something it's not. John McLean is the author of three peer-reviewed papers on climate and an expert reviewer for the latest IPCC report. He is also a climate data analyst and a member of the International Climate Science Coalition. http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lack-of-accountability-clouding-the-climate-change-debate-20140102-307ja.html#ixzz2pHquzPEi |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:16pm # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
For the last 400,000 years? Link? # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Considering the very, very small differences in temperature that are being reported, yes. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:21pm # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
I'm not a gullible fool. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:23pm St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:21pm:
You're not being honest that's for sure |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:53pm
These are the BoM temperature charts for 2013, plotted as deciles (tenths). The dark orange is the area where the temperatures were the highest on record. Note that the temperatures were not the highest on record in the whole of the country on any of the charts, but just in some of the country. Much of the country recorded temperatures that were in the top 10% (top decile).
The mean and maximum temperatures showed a greater tendency to be unusually high (top decile) than the minimum temperatures. annual maximum temperature deciles - 2013 annual mean temperature deciles - 2013 annual minimum temperature deciles - 2013 |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:59pm
Here are the annual mean temperature charts for the last five years.
2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:05pm
Wow - 1.2 degrees....
We're experiencing the coolest summer for a while and besides, I thought that regional differences didn't count...... Just saying... it always seems that the moment we get a heat patch it means global warming, but the moment we get a cool patch it doesn't mean global cooling... Sounds a bit selective to me..... especially when we've just come out of a drought cycle here, and we have more rain and overcast than normal, which will mean a warmer winter if it persists..... just saying... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Laugh till you cry on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:10pm Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:05pm:
Aircon tends to give you that impression. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:14pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:24pm:
Example? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:16pm Bam wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:59pm:
Five years. Wonderful ::) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:24pm
gregorypeckory, can you remind me what relevance earth temperatures 100,000 years ago have on our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people as we have now ?
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:33pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:24pm:
That's a strange question you ask, considering the fact that I've never discussed the relevance of earth temperatures 100,000 years ago and our ability to feed and shelter 8 billion people. So, why do you ask? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:34pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:39am:
that's not what I said at all... you are like Bam in the fact you both like to make up your own truths when the facts are plain to see in black and white right in front of your eyes... how can you not be embarrassed with your dribble that you spew all over the forums.. ::) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:57pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:33pm:
If you answer the question, I'll tell you why I asked it. (I think the reason would be self-evident anyway). |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:00pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:57pm:
No, I can't remind you. I've never mentioned it before. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:04pm John S wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:04am:
im not sure I even believe it. there has been such corruption involved in these matters that I don't really believe it. In Adelaide our September and November were very cold compared to the average and I would dispute it was even up to the average. and something worth noting - that few pick up on - is that is is merely the warmest year in 8 years. big deal. 2011 was the COOLEST year in well over a decade proving... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:06pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:27am:
well ity isn't like 2013 was the hottes. but rather the hottest in EIGHT YEARS |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:07pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:45am:
or at least a few hundred years prior to the industrial revolution. and QUALITY records not proxies. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:08pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:52am:
the cycle of medical records is one human life-span ie 70 years. a cycle of climate change I millemia. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:16pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:07pm:
At the very least. Modern weather stations and thermometers are going to be just a tad more accurate than tree rings and ice cores. Hard to imagine that there are people who believe otherwise. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:27pm
Who said the earth was meant to feed eight billion people...?
Our government has been working on population reduction for ages now in an indirect way...reduce their incomes, lower their real health standards, create lifestyles that lead to earlier death... you know. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:31pm
Ok,
Like I was saying.. over the past 6 months in particular our year has probably been a bit cooler than usual... Then to be told that it’s Australia’s hottest year ever? Say what? So I have double checked Monthly Average temperatures through the last 6 months for MY area... 3280 December - -1.3 Novermber - -2.1 October - -0.7 September - +1.7 August - +0.6 July - +0.6 |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:35pm # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:16pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:21pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:16pm:
dendrochronology (tree ring proxies) is a controversial area of science with a lot ot data showing that there is ZERO correlation between tree rings and temperature and none that supports it with a great degree of accuracy. but in the great Hocky Stick Swindle which so many fell for this is the basis for the reconstruction. That particular elaborate scam includes majority data from trees even supporters agree has no correlation and even altered data to fit. gullibility... thy name is climate hysterics. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:39pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:31pm:
You know a year has 12 months right? Also its the whole continent not just a particular area. Your area might be lucky and as you have provide be a bit below, another 5 areas relative in size could be the reverse & be a degree or 2 warmer. Its primary school maths example john eats 5 apples a day, mary 1, ian 6 & lisa 3 The average apple intake is 15 divide by 4 = 3.75 apples p/day next year Ian remains at 6, mary to 4 john drops to 3 & lisa remains solid at 3 Average intake = 4 Its not hard , your areas John ;) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:40pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:31pm:
some years ago the UK was having its coldest sinter in 40 years with ice 100m out to sea and covering the entire country. the BoM there reported it as the hottest year ever. and the next year and the one after that. after a few years of that garbage you loose all trust in climatologists. They lie. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Laugh till you cry on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:43pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:40pm:
An anal thermometer reading doesn't count. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm
Well - I say again - my tomatoes that are normally ripening in December are still green....
I tend to trust plants, birds and animals before I trust paid scientists.. and the average here has been lower... though winter was warmer due to more cloud cover. Same reason as summer is cooler - drought broken, more cloud cover and more rainy days..... Simple... altogether a relatively mild year 2013.. we had two frosts - a far cry from the -8 frosts of 2003.... in the middle of the drought.... Cloud cover.. cloud cover...... mind you it's more humid than normal.... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:47pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:38pm:
I'd agree with that. I always though tree ring = age Ice cores however are a different story, you can see the air pockets in them, age then becomes the issue. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am:
Rates of change: why did newton and lebnitz bother??? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:52pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:39pm:
the same data shows adelaide as having 'well above average temperatures'. having lived here all that year, that is total bunkum. but I am so over the climate reports now. I don't believe anything any more. the degree of corruption and blatant lying all mixed with a stupidly high level of hysteria has made more realise that the oft-claimed maxim 'everyone is an idiot' is rather generous. We now have tacit acknowledgement that the 17year pause in warming is real but the 'warming has gone to the deep ocean'. it is an blatant breach of the laws of thermodynamics but nevertheless, no ideology should ever be subservient to science. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:47pm:
I would agree with the following: that accuracy is a pertinent discussion in the eyes of the voting public as all good science is associated with error value! As, for the science itself: this is where the assignment of error value has ITS VERY REASON FOR EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST! Circle jerk syndrome exists exactly around this point: is black actually white asked the psychologically damaging victim prowler??? Go alleged free market inclined conmen and their trophy princesses, yay: applied science never did anything for them ::) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:39pm:
Try comprehending what I was saying smith instead of trying to be the forum smartass... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:02pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:52pm:
Like wtf??? Measurement is always the problem in scientific method and longy is claiming the measurement problem does not exist: yet longy will by the same token dismiss the very prescence and factual need for tolerance value in science. Why would that be I promptly prompt you to ask the shyster.... :o LongW__W___ is a confidence trickster... There I SAID IT 8-) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:06pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm:
Dsmithy is pulling apart your misunderstanding of what temperature is: heat content and the phenomena of heat engines is what the story of climate change is all about and you by showing your misunderstanding have confirmed to everyone that your spark left the fire a long long time ago! Have a nice day now ya hear ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:08pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:52pm:
That's a sweeping generalization. I'd agree but from the other stand point, the degree of water muddying by those opposed to paying a little more or losing monopoly markets has been criminal. Not to mention the slander leveled at those trying to warn us of our folly. The turning of years of study & gained intelligence into some form of a "BAD"/"ELITIST" thing is frankly laughable, then again I read a report yesterday that more than a few Americans believed the earth turned 2014 years old on Wednesday. See generalizations & unsubstantiated thought bubbles are easy. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:09pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:08pm:
A free market con artist giving advice on what cyclical change and complex systems are! Give me all your brown acid flashbacks dood Now you utter joke ! ::) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:09pm Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
Finally, someone in touch with the environment and with some common sense !!!! Approx. 5 years ago when drought like conditions broke and se started getting good rains again I noticed that 100s of crows flew into our area just before winter... we had great soaking rains that year ... I reported my findings on another forum and have done in following years... Earlier this year when Victorian farmers started to panic and wanted drought assistance off the government when rain didn't come in exactly on time... I noted that the crows were a month late coming into my area this year... sure enough, the rain came, but a month later than usual ... Talking with some old folk about this up country a bit... they say that when they start getting sightings of black cockatoos rain will follow ... They say that the cockatoos are heading to the mountains ... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:13pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:55pm:
What did you say, You said you don't believe 2013 was the warmest year because in your little part of the country 3(Oct/Nov/Dec) of the last 6 months have had below average temperatures. FFS either express yourself clearer of give up while you only look stupid instead of retarded. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:13pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:08pm:
People w/guns just pretend their dumb. It's the old art of war/book of 5 rings thang of not letting the enemy see your mind or being impenetrable as night yadda yadda! Market power junkies/fascist groupies are the same: everything is a weapon! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:15pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:06pm:
Now see smithy... Don't follow the ramblings of DRAH and become the forum joke and outcast ;) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:15pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:09pm:
I'm eating home grown tomatoes right 'n now :-? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:17pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Ok, where exactly did I say that I didn't believe that 2013 was one of Australia's hottest years ? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:18pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Smithy will do what he wants! Slander is all you've got and I- as the whole forum knows to your utter embarrassment- use that momentum against you! You can't touch me bro cos you can't see! Stop crying and bring it on bruthaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :-? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:20pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:
It's all about momentum said the titration test........ :-? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:32pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:
Reply #48 3.31PM Page 4 Quote:
Then again if your comprehension skills are as good as your maths you probably DO think you are agreeing it was the hottest with that post :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:32pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:04pm:
Longy can't define corruption FOR HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE(...called a big swinging d%^# :D) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:36pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:32pm:
You haven't shown me anything apart from my surprise that they said it was one of Australia's hottest year... So show me where I said that I didn't believe this was true... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:43pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:18pm:
Err have you been doing acid again? And wasn't there a thread started recently to have you removed from the forum because you're insane? :-[ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:52pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:08pm:
while generally true, none of that changes the perception that where climate predictions are concerned, we are being lied to and lied to badly. BoM lies to us repeatedly telling us things that pollies and activists want to hear but some of which is transparently folly. NASA temperature recording is predictable in advance. in 2007 they reported that the year was cooler and showed a change in the direction of warming ie cooling. a few weeks later they changed their mind and said the diametrical opposite. So who do you trust? not NASA or BoM or Flannery or pretty much anyone who preaches the catastrophe that never comes. IM calling BoM liars. In a world where the laws of thermodynamics can be happily ignored to ply yet another fanciful warming fantasy science itself has sold its soul for ideology and the research funding trough. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:55pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:13pm:
normally you'd have a point but he is simply expressing the now common 'what the...?' whenever we are told more stories of imminent catastrophe which never eventuates. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:55pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:43pm:
Err have you been doing acid again? And wasn't there a thread started recently to have you removed from the forum because you're insane? :-[/quote] You can't handle my heat fella ;) ya call that a front foot do ya :-[ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:56pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:55pm:
Err have you been doing acid again? And wasn't there a thread started recently to have you removed from the forum because you're insane? :-[/quote] You can't handle my heat fella ;) ya call that a front foot do ya :-[/quote] you should be incarcerated. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:59pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:56pm:
He'd go off like a phosphorus smoke grenade with all of that acid in his veins ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:59pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:52pm:
Thermodynamics preaches disintegration! Kasparov said a more organised system will lose less energy in manoeuvre than a less organised system! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:02pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:56pm:
I'm all over you like a rash and you hate it! Keep smiling bruthaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 8-) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:
it would be generous to describe you as a rash. you are more like a disease. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:12pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10pm:
Are you seriously just going to keep giving me your a__? You have no self respect ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:14pm # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:38pm:
That's pretty rich coming from someone who actually believes that AGW is a scientific fact. However, I'll play along with your little game. If I'm as gullible as you claim, what is it that I've been led to believe? And please, be specific. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by dsmithy70 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:14pm:
I'll have a go. You've been lead to believe that the human activety of burning millions of tonnes of fossil fuels releasing millions of tonnes of CO2 into our atmosphere combinded with land clearing has absolutely no effect upon our climate. Close? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:31pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:27pm:
Nope. Anyone else? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:42pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:31pm:
You actually think you understand scientific method and it's application :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 7:01pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:52pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by WorldSacred on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 7:29pm
Imagine if it snowed in the tropics, you climate changers would still be calling it global warming and "hottest on record" the very next above average day.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:16pm True Blue... wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:09pm:
Yes - the Black Cockies are fabulous - got a family of about eleven now - used to be 2-3. They stop by to eat from our hakea trees... been very common lately. The swallows in the outdoor toilet have also settled in for a new hatch - meaning it won't get too hot in there. Bluey the Tongue in the pipe outside is still in place, though - means not heavy rain.. just a sprinkle today with a tiny patch occasionally, and the frogs aren't even interested.... even Paycheck who comes in late since he lives in the shed drain pipe and doesn't understand it's wet until water is running has been quiet, and Brak has been pretty quiet. Oh, and the climbing beans are a bit late, as are the potatoes... nope - a relatively cool summer here, I think and maybe a warm winter again. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Soren on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:26pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hGIF9FljM
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:14pm:
I accept the judgement of the vast majority of the best qualified. Judgement on which no organisation of reputable scientists disagrees. Does that mean that I believe it's " a scientific fact"? That's a product of a Conservative's binary mindset. It will probably be difficult for you to grasp, but I don't see the world in binaries (black/white; true/false; good/evil). Mine is a world of probabilities; nuance. You're uncomfortable with the 95-100% certainty that global warming is anthropogenic. You demand 100%. You need the binary. I'm quite comfortable with the probability. For me, 95-100% is not an unbearable level of uncertainty, as it evidently is for you greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:14pm:
You said you're not. I challenged you for evidence. You couldn't present any. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Generation X on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:38pm
Adelaide recorded extremes:
Hottest temperature – 12 January 1939, 46.1 °C (115.0 °F) Coldest temperature – 8 June 1982, −0.4 °C (31.3 °F) Wettest month – June 1916, 217.9 mm (8.58 in) Hottest Minimum - 33.9 °C (93.0 °F), 28–29 January 2009 (Records from West Tce weather station 1839-1977 & Kent Town weather station 1977-present) For todays climate change nutters ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Major ENSO events were recorded in the years 1790–93, 1828, 1876–78, 1891, 1925–26, 1972–73, 1982–83, 1997–98 and 2009–2010. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:55pm
.. and I forgot my grapes are dragging the chain...
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:41pm # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:
Yet, you completely ignore the probability that AGW may not be real. No, yours is most certainly not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:
Are you going to pretend that you don't deny the possibility that AGW is real. I know you call yourself a skeptic but your rhetoric is 100% denialism. You just lack the courage to admit where you really stand |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Soren on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:05pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:
Please explain how AGW is actually plausible. In you own words, if you can (since you are so sure about it). |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:12pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:
I don't deny the possibility that AGW might be real. Never have done. You must be mistaking me for someone else. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:39pm Soren wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:
Well first of all I didn't say I was sure about climate change. They are your words because, as a denialist you obfuscate to hide the fact that you lie about the science so you don't have to be put to the trouble of having to do something about it to remedy the situation. Secondly and most importantly why would I debate the climate science with you. Who are you. Do you know sh!t about climate science. Have you studied it, do you have any qualifications in the field, do you work as a climate scientist. If you were genuinely interested in the likely truth of the matter why on earth would you be debating it with someone like you with no expertise in the field. What on earth could that achieve or prove. It's certainly not a scientific approach. But of course, as I say, you're not really interested in the science are you. You just want to lie about it so you don't have to be put out to do something to remedy the situation. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:40pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:
All you had to say was "I don't know". |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:12pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:40pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:10am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:27pm:
very few believe that. humans DO have an effect. However, this effect has been grossly distorted and amplified to make a case that we are altering the climate catastrophically despite zero conclusive evidence to that end. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:13am # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:28pm:
are you even aware that the IPCCs 95% confidence factor was a complete fabrication??? they simply made it up with zero supporting data. given the complete and utter failure of all the climate models and all the predictions, the confidence level should have DROPPED |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:15am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:58pm:
it is not 'denialism' (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) to expect evidence and proof of a claim before jumping on board. ACC has fundamentally failed to provide any concrete proof of its central hypothesis at all. every model fails. every prediction fails. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:18am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:53pm:
quite the contrary. he (and I) are merely saying 'prove it' and you have demonstrably failed time and time again. It is not being a 'denialist' to expect proof and evidence to support a claim. you on the other hand are a CLIMATE GULLIBILIST |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:14am De-registered User wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:38pm:
What's your point? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:18am Bam wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:14am:
that climate change is a more than recent event? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by GeorgeH on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:19am
Sounds like maximum temps are being confused with average temps.
ENSO events, like volcanic eruptions cause blips in the weather , just part of the noise in the weather record denialists batten onto like a starving man on a carcass of beef. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:28am
here's how (aprox) 80% of Australians surveyed feel about 2013 temperatures...
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:34am True Blue... wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:28am:
it was merely the hottest since 2005 - a mere 8 years |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38am longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:18am:
I don't have the skills or knowledge to usefully debate climate change with you and more importantly you don't have the skills or knowledge to disprove climate change (or more particularly, in your case, the projected catastrophic effects of climate change) in the face of what the overwhelming majority of expert climate scientists are telling us. So I do what any rational human being in the 21st century does. I accept what the experts tell me esp when (i) the consensus is as overwhelming as it is in the climate change debate and (ii) the stakes are as high as they are in the climate change debate. That's why I don't believe that you are genuine in your denial of climate change. Clearly you can have misgivings about what the experts are telling you. But to be so forthright and ardent about your position when you couldn't even possibly know where to begin to properly assess the evidence, tells me that there are other things at play here then what the truth of the matter might be. Esp when you insist like a school boy denied his favorite toy that "There is no evidence" when literally tons of evidence has been produced and continues to be produced in support of climate change; esp when you insist that "there is no consensus" when the consensus has remained overwhelming for almost a decade now; esp when you insist that "they must be lying for the funding" with no evidence to back that up beyond conjecture; and esp when you rely for your information and arguments on internet sites sponsored by fossil fuel industry that has much to lose if the world breaks its dependence on fossil fuels. Question the motives of the fossil fuel industry? Oh no you can't do that but how quick you are to accept that the expert scientists have conspired to dupe you for a relative pittance in extra funding. "Oh yeah that's the reason, that's why they're telling us all this BS, its for the funding". If I accept that you are a rational human being and I do then your approach to this issue leads me to the conclusion that you are not being truthful about what you really believe about climate change. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:41am longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:34am:
if you have a look at the opening line in this thread it says that it's the hottest year ON RECORD... WHICH is what main stream media are reporting... :-? bam has all of his colourful pictures which state every part in Australia recorded hottest temps ever but in MY AREA ... we were a mere .61* of one degree above long term averages...hardly RECORD BREAKING... ::)... although on bams "government" charts... it was supposed to be 8 to 9 degrees above the mean average... :-? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:22am Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
A year has 12 months and Australia is a continent. You're also assuming that the tomatoes are "late", but for all you know this was probably normal 30 years ago. The BoM observations are based on temperature readings in the whole of the country, not when tomatoes ripen locally or the timing of the blooming of Jacaranda trees in your area. Quote:
The plants and animals don't know how to read a thermometer. They just feel hot or cold and act accordingly. Do crows have an opinion on whether Celsius or Fahrenheit is better? Conversely, BoM readings are from instruments, not tomatoes. In this case, they have taken the temperatures across the whole of the country (or those parts with weather stations, at least), added them up and announced that the average for the whole country was the highest recorded. That doesn't mean the average for every part of the country is the highest. You're also assuming that the average temperatures across the whole year and whole country must of necessity have a particular influence on the local behaviour of plants and animals in specific locations and at specific times. Do the tomatoes that were planted in September have any idea what happened the previous February? Quote:
Again, you're confusing local weather with continent-wide averages. Much of the continent is desert and this is where the most extreme effects were seen. In populated areas the effect was measurably less, perhaps highest decile in many cases but not the highest on record. I've posted it twice already without commenting on it. Here's the BoM map again. The dark orange is the area of the country where the average temperatures in 2013 were the highest on record. It covers only about 30% of the country. Most people here seem to have the misconception that "warmest on record" means that the whole country recorded the warmest temperatures on record. That's simply not true. Then we have people here who are remarking that their own particular dot on this great big map didn't get record high average temperatures, therefore they're not going to believe it. Averages don't work that way! Averages are calculated by adding up all the readings and dividing by the number of readings. In particular, it does not add up by the number of PEOPLE. Some populated areas might not have had such extremes but that does not mean that the country as a whole did not have a record high average. Take a look at the east coast strip in particular - few extremes and lots of people. Note the following points: (1) there are also weather stations in remote towns with a population that only gets to double digits if the dogs are counted, (2) most of the country is uninhabited desert, and (3) it is mostly in these remote parts of the country where the greatest extremes in average temperatures were seen. Take a look at the map again. The dark orange area of highest on record averages extends from western Queensland through SA towards southwestern WA. Not a lot of people live in these areas. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:57am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 9:41pm:
As I said, mine is a world of probabilities. What evidence can you present to support your contention that the probability that they're wrong* is higher than the probability that they're right*? * Crude binary, pandering to your limited Conservative mind. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Soren on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:26am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:
You certainly have a lot of froth and fuss to say about something you are not sure about. I think you simply don't know. Why not just come out and say it? Why beat about the bush endlessly? No shame in it - nobody understands how the climate work. At best they know a bit here and a bit there. But how it all hangs together is not understood. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:32am # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:57am:
Nope, no confusion. And, as I said, yours is not a world of probabilities: yours is a world of closed-minded, blind faith. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:39am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:53pm:
So far, all you've done is prove that you can't "explain how AGW is actually plausible". |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The Heartless Felon on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:42am Gettin' a bit tropical in Brissie...bloody AGW. Or is it the weather? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:46am The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:42am:
According to the Climate Church: If it's getting hotter, that's AGW. If it's getting colder, that's just the weather. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm Soren wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:26am:
A deceitful argument as usual. I'm not sure about climate change in the same way as you cant be sure about most things but the clear probability is that climate change is real given the evidence and consensus of opinion amongst those who are qualified and have studied the subject over many years. What would be shameful would be to reject those qualified opinions because of the childish amateurish games you play to deceive the population so that you can be spared the sacrifices you have to make to remedy the situation. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:10pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:32am:
So outline your understanding of the difference between possibility and probability. You say there's a probability that AGW is not real. So what is that probability? What is the probability that the vast majority of the best qualified and every organisation of reputable scientists is wrong*? How does it compare with the probability that they're right*? Present your evidence. * Crude binary, pandering to your limited Conservative mind. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:39am:
I gather from a few things you've said that you're a lawyer. Really? They must have lowered the bar a lot over the last few years. Clearly you're not a litigation lawyer. You ever heard of expert evidence. It has a value. It means something. We can't all be experts in every field and so we look to the opinion of experts who have spent time studying and developing skills in things that we never took the time to delve into ourselves. Ive seen High Court judges and seen constant references to them in the law reports willingly deferring to expert opinion because of the simple common sense approach that experts are likely to know more about their field of study then they are. Its an aspect of the scientific method. And so one has to ask. Are you too stupid to understand the fundamental logic of this approach or are you being deceitful. I know what i think it is. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:40pm
I'll make it easy for you all - until you can stop overall pollution and CO2 whatever - allowing that this is the problem - with the main contributors now being China, India and the like....
...you are merely doing a Don Quixote and tilting at windmills that are, in turn, not generating alternative power for us... just empty sky and moving parts to draw the attention away from the ambush..... visual interference.... just a light show in the morning mist..... oh. not that morning mist... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:07pm Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:40pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:13pm # wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:35pm:
Still waiting, greggerypeccary. Have you been making stuff up again? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:22pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:13pm:
100% confidence levels would mean no error in the measurement process minimum which means greggy don't understand how even a ruler works! I hope he was in tongue in cheek mode like all those laughing hyena economists try and give the impression they're allowed to be in whilst remaining credible to sow the lie that black is actually white: oh, the divine art called SUBTLETY is strong with these ones :o |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:27pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:22pm:
I know the Uncertainty Principle doesn't really apply, but I couldn't resist. ;) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:29pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:07pm:
Of course - not a single one of Don Quixote's windmills was for the generation of power.... I see that alongside your other attributes, a classical allusion is but an illusion to you.... **kisses off fingers in the manner of the good ol' days in Saigon.. ahhh.. the joys of a classic modern education.... The windmills of which I speak are the windmills against which he, like your good self and confreres in your endless pursuit of global warming theory without an ounce of practical action, are the windmills of the minds and of a distant but untouchable foe... I trust you can see the allegory inherent in my witty, pithy and pertinent comments..... These but the trappings and the suits of foes..... Your REAL enemy lies elsewhere in modern society.... and at his behest we are all approaching Doom... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:46pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
Gets people neurons firing and thats the important thing: to be alert but not alarmed or something 8-) Seriously, where is the war effort? No war effort means we are still at the start of the kubler ross curve frozen in denial.... too scared to tremble in fear we continue the dreaming but apparently we are all treated as the dogs ofgrass and i wouldn't imagine panic and economic mayhem are far away, making the anticipationof this by govt not too far away either which means good :) ????? :-? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:47pm Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 3:34pm
Power is work rate: so of course it's not possible to do work without generating power: the more apt question is how much power is lost through the conversion via friction etc to form usable power!
Power is work per unit of time! Power is work!!! :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The New Years Grappler on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:12pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
You have a technical point, though the allegory of Don Quickshotee was, as you know, about attacking mythical foes.... and the power of which I speak is in the modern arena of electrical power/energy. We may well be reverting to windmills for pumping water and grinding our daily meal... Aye, Arh - good John Miller be fixin' t' mill t'day! 'Tis Froidee afore we be gittin' our grain ground gross and goodly for God's day Feast of Small Saints.... aye.. be Short Person's Day among t' heathen.... or sold as such... Will Brewer! Mayhap more ale! Hysterical historical footnote:- The appellation Grappler is partially derived from the German for Gravedigger.... Prosit! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:28pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm:
and there is the rub. WHAT EVIDENCE??? we are 0.8 degrees warmer than 50 years ago. that proves nothing at all out of the ordinary climactic variation over centuries and millennia. edvery climate model - EVERY ONE - has failed to even get close. the poles haven't melted, the glaciers haven't disappeared, sea level rises are exceedingly small etc etc etc... so where is the evidence to even support the existence of a hypothesis nevermind the hypothesis itself? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:30pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:11pm:
Nobody is asking anyone to "prove" anything. This was the request, from another forum member: "Please explain how AGW is actually plausible." Once again, you've decided to avoid the request. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 2:13pm:
"Making stuff up"? Not at all. You seem a tad confused. By all means though, tell me what it is that I've "made up". |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:45pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Rates of change 8-) here we go again :-[ clouds say what??? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:47pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
You're the one saying science should come with 100% confidence levels! How many sides of the street are you about to walk from this day forward we all wonder :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:49pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:34pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:50pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
Nope, not me. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
It's plausibility comes from the conservation of energy theory that has, btw, simply been promoted to the echelon of law! :o What century is it again, dear friend ??! :) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
Have you been out in the sun today? I've never claimed that there are links to "scientific projections with 100% confidence levels". |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:50pm:
Yes you are! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:54pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm:
...yet you argue that they ought to exist! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:00pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm:
Incorrect. And you know it's incorrect, or you would have provided a link to the post where I supposedly made the claim. Of course, you can't provide the link because the post doesn't exist. Why do members of the Climate Church continue to tell lies. Is it a distraction? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:02pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:54pm:
Incorrect. You really should scroll back and read the posts properly, in order to save yourself any more embarrassment. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:10pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:02pm:
Some times you have to be embarrassed for them Greg as the Disciples from the Climate Church of ecoloons just don't seem to get IT... :-[ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:18pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:00pm:
# wrote Yesterday at 10:59am: Or are you saying that nothing less than 100% will suffice? Greggys contribution follows thus: Considering the very, very small differences in temperature that are being reported, yes. ;) ;) gotcha! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:20pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:02pm:
Okeley dokeley :o |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:23pm
[quote author=Blue... link=1388703892/149#149 date=1388819437]
Some times you have to be embarrassed for them Greg as the Disciples from the Climate Church of ecoloons just don't seem to get IT... :-[/quote] You can't even follow a conversation dood! :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Laugh till you cry on Jan 4th, 2014 at 6:19pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:23pm:
True Blue and longweekend58 are disciples of the demented messiah George W Bush and constantly shovel blather and putrid dogma to cover their lack of intellect. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:37pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:52pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:38pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 5:18pm:
Nope. No "gotcha". Scroll back and see exactly what that was referring to. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:10pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:42pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
In relation to "scientific projections", no. I'm not saying that at all. That's just some bullshit you've made up in order to create a distraction. You said it, not me. Sorry bud. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:45pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:42pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:48pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:45pm:
They exist, of course. I've never said anything to the contrary. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:50pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:55pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:50pm:
au contraire The only one being dishonest in this thread is you. You made up a complete and utter lie about me. I caught you out on it. And now you're trying to cause a distraction. Too late: you have been exposed as nothing more than a liar who will do or say anything to promote your religion. Better luck next time. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:01pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 6:19pm:
I think the Church of Climate Change Hysteria are equally as guilty of blindly following and not appreciating underhand forces at place. Last year at the American Oil Producer Conference there was an interesting set of slides shown to the audience. 75% of the scientists proclaiming doomsday messages about human made climate impact are significant investors in projects which directly benefit from hysterical messages of change. In Wall St, if you give out messages which deliberately entice investment and benefit companies in which you are investors, you go to jail. It's called "stacking the deck". Think - Invest in alternative energy project + Give out deliberately alarmist message on climate change = Increased return and investment in your project. If we in the traditional energy sector do the same thing, we are hung out to dry. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:05pm
Just as an aside,the rate of temperature increase on the Planet Mars has been comparable with Planet Earth.
The answer for Mars is solar related. Earth's on the other hand is caused by people. Or so they will tell us. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:55pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:11pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
"So you're saying that nothing less than 100% will suffice, yet there are no links to studies with 100% confidence." |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:23pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
Null hypotheses force answers but Greggy doesn't understand such things it seems! :o |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:24pm
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:24pm # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:50pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:27pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:05pm:
Are you claiming zero tolerance of aberrant behaviour in said industry? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:31pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:24pm:
Well, put your money where your mouth is boy. Show us all one of my "cheap tricks". Over to you ... |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:35pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:23pm:
It sounds like you and your fellow Climate Church followers just make up more bullshit whenever you're caught out telling lies. You and # have been busted big time, my friend, and you're both struggling to cope. Why do you persist with lies? Seriously? If the science is so good, why do you feel the need to continually make up bullshit? Liar. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:35pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:27pm:
I work in the energy industry. We are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on cleaner energy delivery. You listen to some of the climate change fruitcakes and you'd think the traditional energy producers do nothing. In fact if you add together what all their piss-ant projects are together, you probably wouldn't come to my company's R&D alone, let alone our competitors as well. A lot of these climate change 'experts' are anything but the kind and have spent 0 time in industry and all their time in academia. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:27pm:
Actually I am stating that my view is that Eart's climate is changing as a result of natural phenomena. Mars is warming by exactly the same rate of increase as Earth. The population of Mars is 0. It ain't from their industry. It is (correctly) explained as being natural occurring on Mars and due to solar pattern change. Yet the Earth's (which orbits the same Sun) is due to mankind. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:35pm:
Who owns your company I'm sorry? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
So you should be. Liar. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm
Our company is publicly listed so is owned by millions of people.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
We all know why you're here mate! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:44pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
To expose brainwashed liars. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:45pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
I would put it to you that the number of involved stakeholders defy your imagination! Naming systems are curious things!! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:46pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:44pm:
That's how energy companies make money is it 8-) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:47pm The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:42am:
Yes, it's the weather. Just a few data points contributing to the total. It's just as wrong to point to a few hot days and assert "global warming" as it is to point to a few cold days and assert "not global warming". Climate is measured from many data points, not just a few. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:45pm:
I would put it to you that a publicly listed company is owned by millions of people with all different views and thoughts. It also makes it far less likely that the company can be run to any specific agenda other than maximise of profit and long term growth. If we don't evolve and change, we perish. So your view of some kind of agenda is nonsense. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:49pm Bam wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:47pm:
Define "many", and then explain how you came to that conclusion. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:50pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:46pm:
No its by providing energy at competitive prices to a growing population. Just as an aside, we have invested more $ renewable energy projects than anyone else. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:19pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48pm:
Lol, we're actually defining the word "agenda" now are we? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:24pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
Is this the pr forum now? Greggy can stick up for himself ya know! Lol, the oz politics forum has now been handed over to big energy: GOOD ONE FREEDIVER :-[ Does Greggy work for 'your' company?? :o |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:27pm
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
My answer is the same whether you want me to "prove" AGW or "explain how it is plausible". In both cases my answer is that this is a matter on which I defer to the experts. And this is clear from my response but of course you only chose to reproduce the first sentence of my response, which was a cheap trick typical of you. So now I reproduce my full response ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:
And so instead of deciding to avoid replying to my full response AGAIN!!! I ask you to answer these questions. Do you understand the fundamental logic of relying on experts in matters that you yourself have no real knowledge, expertise or relevant skills and if so how do you reject the opinion of the exerts in a field as complex as climate science. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:44pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
I already answered this point but of course you chose to reply to a post I wrote to someone else instead of the post I wrote to you. So here's what I wrote to you. So why don't you answer that and then we can pick it up from there. ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:45pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
I already answered this point but of course you chose to reply to a post I wrote to someone else instead of the post I wrote to you. So here's what I wrote to you. So why don't you answer that and then we can pick it up from there. ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 12:48pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:04am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 9:28pm:
"Please explain how AGW is actually plausible." A simple request. You seem to be struggling. Another pathetic, brainwashed liar exposed. Next ... ! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:06am Bam wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:47pm:
Define "many", and then explain how you came to that conclusion. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:19am |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:21am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:19am: 30 years out of 4.5 billion years is not "long term", by any stretch of the imagination. Agreed? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:14am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm:
Why not argue his bullshit science? Google solar output and see if his claims stack up, we can measure the sun's output. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html Quote:
Funny that we know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, completely provable with experiments, undeniable. Yet if we are to believe Andre, some solar activity we cannot measure is the cause. Now which is more likely and which is wishful thinking? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:33am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:21am:
You need a reason for using billions of years as a reference! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:37am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:04am:
Physics.. It's plausible because certain gasses are known to act in certain ways. These things can be measured, tested, falsified if they are wrong, have you done that? Does anyone say that CO2 is not a GHG? Adding gasses to our atmosphere that are known GHGs are going to produce that effect. You don't need a lot of plutonium to poison someone, you don't need a lot of GHGs to change the balance of Earth climate. We know the GHG CO2 has been rising rapidly, now over 400ppm, and higher than it's been since our species has been around, higher than the last million years, how did it get that high? Is it natural(volcanoes?) or is the the fact we burn carbon based fuels? How do we know which carbon was combined with o2 to produce this CO2? There are many different carbon isotopes, when we test the carbon in CO2 we can know whether it's from wood, high c14, from old carbon, low c14 for example. It's not only plausible but probable. Why is Venus so damned hot? It's further from the Sun, less solar radiation. It's the atmosphere full of GHGs. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:43am Setanta wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:14am:
Andrei is global mod and for some reason can't linky linky :o hmmmmmmmmn 8-) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:58am Setanta wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:37am:
We all have our methods. This year the debate will certainly be cloud formation and i'd be guessing andrei will be providing linkage at some point to counter the mainstream ::) I'm sure he will be providing you withsome great stuff on venus too and i must say i'm interested! The truth shall then surely set us all free hee hee :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:06am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RciuJqhkmbQ
Ship Stuck in Ice Was on Global Warming Expedition http://www.infowars.com/frozen-out-98-of-stories-ignore-that-ice-bound-ship-was-on-global-warming-mission/ Frozen Out: 98% of Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission Mike Ciandella newsbusters.org January 3, 2014 A group of climate change scientists were rescued by helicopter Jan. 2, after being stranded in the ice since Christmas morning. But the majority of the broadcast networks’ reports about the ice-locked climate researchers never mentioned climate change. A group of climate change scientists were rescued by helicopter Jan. 2, after being stranded in the ice since Christmas morning. But the majority of the broadcast networks’ reports about the ice-locked climate researchers never mentioned climate change. The Russian ship, Akademic Shokalskiy, was stranded in the ice while on a climate change research expedition, yet nearly 98 percent of network news reports about the stranded researchers failed to mention their mission at all. Forty out of 41 stories (97.5 percent) on the network morning and evening news shows since Dec. 25 failed to mention climate change had anything to do with the expedition. In fact, rather than point out the mission was to find evidence of climate change, the networks often referred to the stranded people as “passengers,” “trackers” and even “tourists,” without a word about climate change or global warming. Chris Turney, the expedition’s leader, is a professor of climate change at the University of New South Wales. According to Turney’s personal website, the purpose of the expedition is to “discover and communicate the environmental changes taking place in the south.” Twenty-two crew members stayed with the ship for the time being, as the scientists and researchers were rescued. According to CNN, the ship has enough supplies for “a very long time.” Three rescue attempts had been thwarted by growing levels of sea ice and weather conditions. "Outside, blizzard conditions packing an abnormal amount of ice in to the area for this time of the year, summer in the Antarctic," ABC News Correspondent Gio Benitez reported on “Good Morning America” Dec. 31. On Jan. 2, all 52 passengers were airlifted to a nearby Australian icebreaker ship which had tried, and failed, to plow through the ice and free the Akademic Shokalskiy, on Dec. 30. “Good Morning America” said on Dec. 30, that “the ice could be as thick as 13 feet.” According to Fox News, Turney admitted “we’re stuck in our own experiment.” They reported on Dec. 30, that a statement from the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said, “Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up.” There was only one news story out of 41 that mentioned climate change. That was CBS “This Morning” Dec. 30. “Despite being frozen at a standstill, the team’s research on climate change and Antarctic wildlife is moving forward,” CBS News Correspondent Don Dahler said. That night, all three evening news programs still failed to make any mention of the group’s climate change research. The MRC’s Business and Media Institute was unable to view a copy of CBS “Sunday Morning” for Dec. 29, so that broadcast had to be excluded from the tally. Before their ship got stuck in ice, the researchers were following the trail of the explorer Douglas Mawson, who was stranded in Antarctica for more than a year, beginning in December 1912, according to the website about the expedition. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi Frozen Out: 98% of Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission By Mike Ciandella | January 2, 2014 | 12:43 |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:39am
When people quote infowars/prisonplanet, they've pretty much demolished their credibility. Quite often they're the same people that think wikipedia is shonky, even though it has references to it's information. Go figure...
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:59am
blessings,
facts are truths truth is the maxim of law the article was further linked to here http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi as you are well aware in whom you are attempting to limp wristedly attack the credibility of the message rather than look at these facts which have been presented. many repeater dupes that rely on mainstream news will assert that all other factual information is unreliable because koshy has not said so as yet , and in as much within that delusion these dupes are forgiven .. many masquerade as dupes yet are repeater sycophants of the government dejour and discredit any informations other than koshy and carl this is ok cool and was predicted in accordance with the divine plan , so be at peace many blessings unto all souls at this station namaste - : ) = Ω |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:06am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 1:16pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:13am it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:59am:
Namaste to you too Hindu Jesus dude. Messengers are not equal and in many forms I would refer you to the science the facts that are truth rather than the messengers you find fault in mainstream media, it has it's faults this does not mean you need to turn to the asylum for news you can read the peer reviewed papers for one so full of light yet not enlightened possibly incapable of being so seeking enlightenment from fools is to become one Anyway, do you believe the rest of their information? Haarp? Chemtrails? Fema death camps? You see, you can judge an information source by it's record. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:16am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:24pm:
He might not be the least honest of those who post in this forum, but greggerypeccary is certainly in the running. In view of the competition, that's quite an achievement. His lies are typically sins of omission, like the evasion above, but he lies at least as consistently as the likes of longweekend58. Like longweekend58, when challenged, greggerypeccary will try to intimidate his opponents into silence. Soulless liar and thug pretty much sums up greggerypeccary. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:40am
Namaste to you too Hindu Jesus dude.
Messengers are not equal and in many forms I would refer you to the science the facts that are truth rather than the messengers you find fault in mainstream media, __________ blessings unto thee brother being ... many may worship al gore and repeat that . institutions funded global warming alarmists and were found to be manipulating the data through email this was made quite public and is readily available for your mind to comprehend they lied about the data and were found out research climategate if one such as you are have not yet researched .. all confusion is forgiven namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:45am it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:40am:
Let your mind be at peace about climategate for it exists not only misunderstanding http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:48am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:38pm:
Andrei, You have fallen for a gross simplification. On Mars, the biggest warming effect comes from dust. As far as the "solar" influence is concerns, the dust storms cause the surface to darken in certain areas leading to more evaporation of volatiles. There is no evidence that Mars is warming at the "exactly the same rate" as the Earth, and the solar output measurements don't show an increase over the past 50 years. Mars has a very chaotic climate compared to the Earth, and that is partially caused by the fact that the obliquity of its orbit is the primary consideration for determining the heat that it obtains from the sun, and the fact that the Northern and Summer seasons are precessing with respect to the perihelion and aphelion. As I said, very chaotic, very complex and an entirely different kettle of fish compared with the Earth. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:52am
Let your mind be at peace about climategate
for it exists not only misunderstanding http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/ __________ blessings unto thee and yes one such as I am observes your repeatisms for what they are .. infactual reports from another institutionalized mechanism of control in which the powers that wish to be will fund a " survey " or manipulate the data ... just like they did in the very damaging expose on climategate yes they were caught manipulating data and no repeating of misrepresentation can counter that . no matter how upset the repeaters get , facts remain truth global warming climategate = lie ie : caught manipulating data maxim of law = truth ie : trumps lies ergo maxim of law namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:03am it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:52am:
If one was crazy one might say these things as you say facts are facts what facts explain the warming of the planet? Fact = planet is warming explain |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by cods on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:06am
I think I would be more concerned about the weather in America than whats happening on Mars...they are expecting a cold front with a windchill factor of -56deg..colder than the North Pole..so who do we blame that on?
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:09am cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:06am:
You answered yourself Cods.. Weather is not climate. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:11am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:49pm:
Why? I think it's time for you to explain what it is that you do not understand about climate science. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:16am Setanta wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:09am:
blessings many claim to know fact and attempt to describe that which is truth through human linguistics and climategate lies... any dupe , repeater dupe or paid repeater dupe can knock up a chart .. facts are truths beloved ones truth is the maxim of law and so it is so be it all have freewill to consent to climate lies yet fear not , for all are one so be at peace in love and light namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:22am
all limp wristed abuses
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:22am it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:16am:
Blessed be the light you have brought me the Christ light is found in truth, a dogs arse |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:25am
all limp wristed abuses
are forgiven mayhaps we should stick to the facts namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:27am
and so it is we return to the facts
after climategate repeaters attempt to shift the focus of this thread concerning climate lies , the repeater dupes who repeat climategate debunk sites whom are funded by the powers that wish to be , and the repeater dupes " scientists " ( whom are funded by climategate funding if they do not repeat they do not get to go on expeditions and get labelled in mainstream media as " passengers " ) on an expedition to prove the world is flat and they come up stuck in the ice which is expanding http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi Frozen Out: 98% of Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission By Mike Ciandella | January 2, 2014 | 12:43 |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:27am Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:11am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:28am
Light, if I may pay you a compliment, you are a very affable lunatic.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Setanta on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:29am it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:27am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:31am muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:28am:
coming from any repeater dupe this would be considered a compliment your are most welcomed and well received as the divine being in whom you are , in love and light namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:34am muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:28am:
Wastes a lot of space though; makes the topic hard to follow. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:34am Setanta wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:29am:
any dupe , repeater dupe or paid repeater dupe can knock up a chart .. facts are truths beloved ones truth is the maxim of law and so it is so be it , believe as you do so please many informed are not so easily and readily hoodwinked so be at peace namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:43am Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:11am:
Just as I thought. The Climate Church is Another fraud exposed. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:46am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
And what are the oil producers doing? Sitting calmly doing knitting? Not a chance. The fossil fuel industry are the financial backers of the climate denial industry. What hypocrisy. Quote:
The oil industry are not innocent of this. Quote:
Think - your product is shown to be doing harm + lots of money = sly investment in "think tanks" that deliberately obfuscate. It happened with the tobacco industry. It's happening now with the fossil fuel industry. Quote:
Firstly, who is "we"? What are your links to the "traditional energy sector"? Secondly, that's not true. They are doing this and getting away with it. Just 90 companies caused two-thirds of man-made global warming emissions Quote:
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IPCC report: sceptic groups launch global anti-science campaign Quote:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:50am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:43am:
That is a non sequitur. I asked you a simple question and you come to this idiotic conclusion? Seems you don't mind subjecting other people's views to scrutiny, but at the slightest bit of scrutiny of your views, you descend very quickly to name-calling and fallacies. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:56am Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:50am:
Define "many", and then explain how you came to that conclusion. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:58am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:43am:
# wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:27am:
More and more, the true nature of greggerypeccary is revealed. Soulless thug, liar; all of the above and more. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:06am |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:11am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:56am:
I'm finding it rather odd that you argue against climate change, yet claim such ignorance of such a simple concept. It does not bode well for any knowledgeable posts from you on this topic if you struggle with the mathematical concept of "many". The world has thousands of weather stations and they provide measurements several times a day over years. By aggregating all these measurements can we get an idea of the global climate. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:13am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:06am: Please provide a link to the peer reviewed paper from which this chart was derived and explain why it is relevant to this topic. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Innocent bystander on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:21am It was never really about climate anyway, just green politics, thats become patently clear as models collapse and temperatures flat line the global warming kooks just become more belligerent. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:23am Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:21am:
Exactly. "Antarctic ice shelf melt ‘lowest EVER recorded, global warming is NOT eroding it’ " |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:40am # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:
Not to worry, I'll try to answer on your behalf. If you're honest, then you'll correct any mistakes I make. Of course, remaining silent confirms my answers. greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:32am:
# wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:57am:
One of the Abrahamic religions, I guess. Perhaps a fringe cult, given the peculiarities of greggerypeccary. # wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:57am:
You see, greggerypeccary has given no cause to suppose that he really believes a word he says. That would explain why he's so equivocal. It's possible that he just posts whatever will provoke a reaction for his amusement. That is; greggerypeccary might be no more than a troll. So; liar, deluded, thug, troll; let the reader decide which terms describe greggerypeccary. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:44am
blessings
there is no need to be nasty and lay judgement unto one another , one may observe with forgiveness however freewill ...carry on regardless to your own conclusions namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:46am # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:40am:
Nope. Never been to a church service in my life. # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:40am:
Your memory has failed you. I've never said anything remotely like that, to anyone. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:49am "Global Warming theory has failed all tests, so alarmists return to the ‘97% consensus’ hoax" |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Innocent bystander on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:51am # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:40am:
;D It was never really about climate anyway, just green politics, thats become patently clear as models collapse and temperatures flat line the global warming kooks just become more belligerent. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:53am
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:53am
Oh yes indeed #. Thanks for highlighting this disgustingly deceitful exchange between greggerypeccary with the LittlePecca syndrome and Bam (and the forum is full of these cheap tricks of his). Lets see it again in close up because it's so typical
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:11am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:43am:
What a cheap trickster this guy is. As you rightly said # "The fraud here is greggerypeccary. Poor sod; people are growing wise to his lies".... "The irrelevant question is calculated to distract you and waste your time. It's a form of lie ...More and more, the true nature of greggerypeccary is revealed. Soulless thug, liar; all of the above and more".[/quote] and "He might not be the least honest of those who post in this forum, but greggerypeccary is certainly in the running. In view of the competition, that's quite an achievement. His lies are typically sins of omission, like the evasion above, but he lies at least as consistently as the likes of longweekend58. Like longweekend58, when challenged, greggerypeccary will try to intimidate his opponents into silence. Soulless liar and thug pretty much sums up greggerypeccary" Well yes I think we have all come to realise that about greggerypeccary with the LittlePecca syndrome. He's an utter disgrace with no self respect. Like I say he reminds me of what Eisenhower said about Senator Joseph McCarthy; "I wouldn't sleep in the same gutter with the Guy". |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:54am “Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics.” |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:59am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:49am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:54am:
Having lost the debate arising from the title of this topic, greggerypeccary tries to introduce one that he thinks he can fight on. Of course, that tactic is a form of lie. It seems greggerypeccary can't help himself. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:03am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:54am:
Rubbish!!!! The more experts coming to the same conclusion the more likely it is to be true. Its called science |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:03am
Be careful. Pretty soon he's going to post a clip of someone laughing, which usually means he has no idea how to respond but tries to snatch victory from defeat by playing the ridicule card. You watch he can't help himself he's going to post that clip. The little man keeps a huge file of them on his desktop ready to fire away (its his substitute for rational debate).
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:05am “Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics.” |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:06am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:03am:
“..scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides..” |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:12am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:03am:
Poor liar can't even reveal the sources of what he presents as quotes. Either he made them up or they're not credible. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:13am ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:03am:
"Science does not respect consensus. There was once widespread agreement about phlogiston (a nonexistent element said to be a crucial part of combustion), eugenics, the impossibility of continental drift, the idea that genes were made of protein (not DNA) and stomach ulcers were caused by stress, and so forth—all of which proved false. Science, Richard Feyman once said, is “the belief in the ignorance of experts.” So, yes, it is the evidence that persuades me whether a theory is right or wrong, and no, I could not care less what the “consensus” says. –Matt Ridley" |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:22am Setanta wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:39am:
how many news releases do you need to see before you actually do SEE http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/stuck-on-a-ship-of-cold-fools/story-e6frg71x-1226793309195 Stuck on a ship of (cold) fools YOU have to feel a touch of sympathy for the global warming scientists, journalists and other hangers-on aboard the Russian ship stuck in impenetrable ice in Antarctica, the mission they so confidently embarked on to establish solid evidence of melting ice caps resulting from climate change embarrassingly abandoned because the ice is, in fact, so impossibly thick. The aim of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition, led by Chris Turney of the University of NSW, was to prove the East Antarctic ice sheet is melting. Its website spoke alarmingly of "an increasing body of evidence" showing "melting and collapse from ocean warming". Instead, rescue ships and a helicopter, all belching substantial carbon emissions, have had to be mobilised to pluck those aboard the icebreaker MV Akademik Schokalskiy from their plight, stuck in what appears to be, ironically, record amounts of ice for this time of year. In that lies a hard lesson for those who persistently exaggerate the impact of global warming. We believe in man-made climate change and are no less concerned than others about it. But the cause of sensible policy is ill-served by exaggeration; there is a need for recognition of the science, which shows there are variations in how climate is changing and what the impact is, or will be. Professor Turney's expedition was supposed to repeat scientific investigations made by Douglas Mawson a century ago and to compare then and now. Not unreasonably, it has been pointed out Mawson's ship was never icebound. Sea ice has been steadily increasing, despite the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's gloomy forecasts. Had the expedition found the slightest evidence to confirm its expectation of melting ice caps and thin ice, a major new scare about the plight of the planet would have followed. As they are transferred to sanctuary aboard the icebreaker Aurora Australis, Professor Turney and his fellow evacuees must accept the embarrassing failure of their mission shows how uncertain the science of climate change really is. They cannot reasonably do otherwise. apology accepted in advance... :) ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:23am
There is a difference between consensus based on the opinion of self-styled experts, or appeal to authority (320 ex- NASA Geriatrics can't be wrong) and a conclusion based on the bulk of evidence based on properly researched papers that can be verified.
The type of consensus we're talking about is the latter - evidence based consensus as opposed to "feeling in my bones" consensus. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:25am True Blue... wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:22am:
The Australian is just as bad. It used to be a serious newspaper. The more obvious it becomes that AGW is a obvious threat, the more shrill the denialists become. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:29am muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:25am:
if I get the Captain of the dam ship and drive him to your door to explain just what they were doing out there you still wouldn't believe him... you Disciples of the Climate Church are all the same... slap you in the face with the facts and you still don't accept them.. here's yet another link that you will undoubtedly deny is true ::) http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/stuck-in-our-own-experiment-leader-trapped-team-insists-polar-ice-is-melting/ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:31am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:13am:
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I was right about your reasons for concealing your sources, wasn't I? Your behaviour is a form of lying, isn't it? Can't help yourself, can you? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:32am True Blue... wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:29am:
You have been brainwashed by the Murdoch press. East Antarctica is clearly melting. That is an established trend. Fresh meltwater freezes more readily than salt water. During a colder spell, it will form ice. What is so difficult about that? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Innocent bystander on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:41am muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:25am:
The trouble is the threats becoming less obvious and the warming cults becoming more shrill ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by True Blue... on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:42am muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:32am:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/stuck-in-our-own-experiment-leader-trapped-team-insists-polar-ice-is-melting/ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:51am # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:31am:
You haven't been right about anything, so far. "Besides, science does not respect consensus. There was once widespread agreement about phlogiston (a nonexistent element said to be a crucial part of combustion), eugenics, the impossibility of continental drift, the idea that genes were made of protein (not DNA) and stomach ulcers were caused by stress ... " You still believe that stomach ulcers are caused by stress. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:51am
Fox News is no better. Do these scientists claim that there will never be localised events like this? No they don't.
The whole story has been turned into a propaganda piece for the denialists. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:58am True Blue... wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:29am:
It's a faith-based religion. Nothing more. At least other faith-based religions are honest enough to admit their faith. Disciples of the Climate Church, however, lie through their teeth at every opportunity. A most despicable, dishonest bunch. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Innocent bystander on Jan 5th, 2014 at 11:19am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:58am:
Must be the heat ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:17pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:53am:
(Note: I added a missing quote tag in the quoted post.) Seems my work is done for now. I have drawn forth some truth with simple but insightful questions. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by buzzanddidj on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:25pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 4:52pm:
I'm sure they're just one PART of the SOCIALIST conspiracy movement - in altering their readings and records |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:54am:
Consensus of what? ;) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:49am:
Clouds say what????? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:58am:
Clouds say what????? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:42pm Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 1:17pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:57pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:51am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:07pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:06am: You must be very desperate to use that old graph again. It was debunked ages ago, and the source is not John Christy at all. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:10pm muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:07pm:
More lies. Charming. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:18pm # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:27pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 11:19am:
It could be. However, I honestly believe that some of them just aren't all that bright. They take gullibility and naivety to all new levels. Sad to see really. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Laugh till you cry on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:36pm
It's Abbott's lager that dulls the senses.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:44pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:36pm:
They're dull alright. No doubts about that. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:12pm " ... the fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted." |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:13pm " ... the pause in temperature rise has occurred despite a sharp increase in global carbon emissions." |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:16pm |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:21pm
blessings
recorded facts are rebutted with abuses which is all they have when you do not buy the crap sandwich and climategate lies the dark deluded dupes are attempting to sell . one such as I am is in a state of compassion and send this energy to all those confused ones which are held in divine love and light as an eternal expression of spirit ... fear not for all are one namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:31pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:27pm:
It could be stalling tactics so the status quo can gain the time to retool for the needed change! ;) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:42pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 10:58am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:10pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:45pm |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:46pm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=circlejerk
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:07pm:
Incorrect. Why do you continue to tell lies? It seems to be all you Climate Church disciples do these days. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 5:18pm:
You're lying again, greggerypeccary. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:12pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:54pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm:
Clouds say what??? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:16pm: |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:56pm So, we've established beyond all doubt that you still believe stress causes stomach ulcers. What about this one: Still a believer? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:56pm |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:47pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:58pm "Twenty-year hiatus in rising temperatures has climate scientists puzzled" |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:59pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:56pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
The onus is on muso. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:01pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:02pm "But the fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted." |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 6:56pm: |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:04pm "The global temperature standstill shows that climate models are diverging from observations," says David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation." |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:07pm |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:09pm |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:17pm # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:13pm:
He's a liar, that's why. The onus is now on him. The ice aint that thin, by the way. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Sparky on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:19pm
I wonder if these had travel insurance?
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Sparky on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:20pm Sparky wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:25pm
Clouds say what???
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:26pm Sparky wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
No need. This is the "hottest year on record". Remember? The ice will melt in a day or two. Crisis over. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:27pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:25pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:27pm:
Greg hates me 8-) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:29pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
The Global Warming Policy Foundation is yet another secretive denialist think tank. Quote:
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:09pm:
I know it would be unfamiliar to you, greggerypeccary, but you might try being honest. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:33pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:36pm # wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:29pm:
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:09pm:
I know it would be unfamiliar to you, greggerypeccary, but you might try being honest.[/quote] The links work perfectly. More lies from you. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:17pm:
I think it was Vuk who first posted that graph here. It was taken up by the Daily Mail in England, but it was put together by a blogger. The computer models do not reflect IPCC predictions and the actual temperature is underestimated. I'll have a quick look after I eat, but this is recycled. The main problem with these graphs is that they conveniently leave out the grey bits - the error bars. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:50pm muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:44pm:
All good science is associated with error values. All documentation is good documentation. Still, the world thanks muso for his leg work! ;) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by muso on Jan 5th, 2014 at 8:05pm
Right, the orginal source of that graph was a climate scientist in Reading, UK called Ed Hawkins. The graph was redrawn and misrepresents the original data.
http://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2013/updated-comparison-of-simulations-and-observations/ Quote:
I have already explained this in another post on this board, but I don't have the time to find it right now. I'd suggest that you should be very careful when calling me a liar when you haven't checked out the source yourself. # is dying to use these controls on you. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:09pm:
I know it would be unfamiliar to you, greggerypeccary, but you might try being honest.[/quote] The links work perfectly. More lies from you.[/quote]No, greggerypeccary, ignorance from you. Mine is a geosynchronous satellite service. That means very high latency. Very high latency prevents some links from working. I can't reliably search Google from my browser's search bar, for example. In know lmgtfy.com is some sort of search engine redirection. All you need to do is perform whatever search you were trying to foist off on me and present your substantiations. You can substantiate, can't you, greggerypeccary? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Innocent bystander on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:54pm
Some are even saying 2013 was the hottest year in fifty million years, thats scary :D
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:55pm
gregory's problem is that he thinks Google links are the gospel truth.
Any old denier can create a google link. Rather than that, he should directly link to relevant scientific jounal (not blog). |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:08pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:10pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
This is deniers making up "facts", so in a little while they can disprove them. ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:12pm
blessings ,
here is what the sun looks like right now , this star gives off much heat and energetic particles on , but not limited to ,a photonic and neutrionic level it is said , http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/ yet as you may observe , this sun has a massive sunspot ,the size which can hold every planet in our solar system within it . the solar pole reversal is transitioning ( circa solar maxima/minima ) as this behemoth becomes earth facing , al gore wants to tax this through the rebates in solar panels in which when you read the fineprint when you claim the rebate you consent to government ownership of the sun ... the rain and water was owned by government when these clueless dupes rebated their water tanks when the frenzy was on .. giving consent ( majority rules ) as most of the electorate voted for their 30 pieces of silver ... clueless dupes and others do the duping all this illusion remains forgiven in love and light namaste - : ) = ॐ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Innocent bystander on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:13pm # wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:08pm:
https://www.google.com.au/search?num=100&newwindow=1&q=%22hottest+ever%22&oq=%22hottest+ever%22&gs_l=serp.3..0l2j0i10l8.15257.18626.0.18814.4.4.0.0.0.0.406.874.2-2j0j1.3.0.starcuni...0...1.1.32.serp..1.3.874.6wNgP5ew-YM |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:15pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:13pm:
Are you and gregoryPeckory, the same person. Google links mean nothing. Directly link the page you mean FFS. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:19pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:55pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:55pm:
A lot like longweekend58, come to think of it: # wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:44pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:23pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:13pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:42pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:55pm:
Incorrect. One more lie from the Climate Church. You guys trying to set a record? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:45pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:15pm:
Not too experienced with computers, hey? That must be quite embarrassing for you. https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&espv=210&es_sm=122&biw=1280&bih=684&q=the+internet+for+dummies&oq=the+internet+for+dummies&gs_l=serp.3..0l6j0i22i30l4.2371.6630.0.6786.24.23.0.0.0.0.328.2591.5j8j3j1.17.0....0...1c.1.32.serp..7.17.2591.Lz37_btcXoQ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:23pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:45pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:25pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:42pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:33pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:15pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:37pm # wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:25pm:
His statement is a lie. I've already established that. You're always two steps behind, aren't you? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:39pm # wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:23pm:
Still having trouble getting good links to work, hey? http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-internet-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:41pm # wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:51pm:
That's exactly what I did. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:39pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:41pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Doctor Jolly on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:41pm:
I fail to see what bikini clad ladies* have to do with whatever obscure point you are making. * - thats what I got when I googled "hotest ever" as you said to. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 3:10pm # wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:43pm:
Yes, it is. It's exactly what I did. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 3:11pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
Indeed. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:06pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
Looks like greggerypeccary was lying, after all. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:17pm
Spread the hate- buggerise the kids! Clouds say what?????????
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:38pm # wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:11pm:
I did the search and posted the link. It's not my fault that you don't understand how the internet works. "All you need to do is perform whatever search you were trying to foist off on me and present your substantiations." - that's exactly what I did. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:40pm # wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:06pm:
Put your glasses back on. It wasn't me, you clown. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:43pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:17pm:
You might want to seek help. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:45pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:43pm:
You want to line all the kids up for a circle party :-[ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:46pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:43pm:
You want to line all the kids up for a circle party :-[ |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:48pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:46pm:
You want to line all the kids up for a circle party :-[/quote] Get help, you sick bugger. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 5:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:48pm:
Murdoch mafia first :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Innocent bystander on Jan 6th, 2014 at 5:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:48pm:
I think he's way past the help stage, I think he's now at the donate his brain to science in order to help others stage :'( |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by cods on Jan 6th, 2014 at 5:47pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:48pm:
I think he has finally gone over the edge...the mods have been patient long enough I think.. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:09pm Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 5:39pm:
What about donating rupert murdochs brain to science first???? :o |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:13pm cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
Lol, mr fruit loops opinion must be heard before an official decision could dare be made one supposes ;D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Bam on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:14pm
This thread has a signal to noise ratio that is lower than the hum of a mosquito in a thunderstorm.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by red baron on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:16pm
Climate change USA today. 40 degrees below zero.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:17pm Bam wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:14pm:
Um, call ghostbusters? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:18pm red baron wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 6:16pm:
Lol, explanations will be needed of course! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 7:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Give up, greggerypeccary. You posted fabricated "quotes", greggerypeccary. When challenged, you tried to cover up your fabrications, greggerypeccary. Then you tried to cover up your cover-ups, greggerypeccary. You continue lying but, guess what, greggerypeccary? Nobody believes you, greggerypeccary. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 6th, 2014 at 7:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:46am:
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:11am
With pathological liars like greggerypeccary, truth lies less in what they say than in what they refuse to say. So what has greggerypeccary revealed?
# wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:46am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:46am:
Refusal to address the issue of the probability that the vast majority of the best qualified and every organisation of reputable scientists is wrong*, reveals that greggerypeccary's belief has no basis beyond faith. Losing the debate, greggerypeccary tried to distract. In the process, he gave convincing evidence that denial of the significance of majority in science is based on fabrication, supported by the disreputable. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:48am # wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:11am:
Actually, you lied. You are a habitual liar, as evinced in this thread. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:50am # wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:11am:
All religion denied. Never been to a religious service of any kind by any religion in my life. Keep up the lies though, if you think that will take the spotlight off your failed AGW hypothesis. ;) |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by # on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:00am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:48am:
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You can't substantiate your assertion, can you, greggerypeccary? |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:01am # wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:00am:
The onus is on you. Sorry. "If memory serves, you once said to me that you have "no scientific faith". Nope: that's a lie. You are a liar. No such statement by me exists. The onus is now on you to substantiate your assertion. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:50pm
9-11 happened! Systems disintegrate! System corrupts man!
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:51pm
Clouds say what???
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 9th, 2014 at 3:52pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 10:01am:
You went awfully quiet. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by red baron on Jan 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm
Geez its so record breaking hot!... It must be why I have a tracksuit on as a I write this.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by red baron on Jan 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm
bump
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 9th, 2014 at 4:07pm red baron wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 4:03pm:
Perth has not been hot, basically! |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Laugh till you cry on Jan 11th, 2014 at 6:10pm
It's Perth's turn to put their feet to the fire to understand why they have to emit less greenhouse gas.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 11th, 2014 at 6:11pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Man, it's 43 degrees outside :'( |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Laugh till you cry on Jan 11th, 2014 at 6:49pm
If you can't take the heat go to Niagra Falls.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by The Grappler 2014 on Jan 11th, 2014 at 6:54pm
A hot time in the old Perth town tonight!
Looks like 9-11 Perth style:- |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Laugh till you cry on Jan 11th, 2014 at 7:08pm
Perth could do with some of Grappler's frigid ladies to take the heat off.
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 11th, 2014 at 8:19pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 11th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
They say Western Australia was the "hottest place on the planet" today. |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 12th, 2014 at 3:10am Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 11th, 2014 at 6:10pm:
Yeh, f'n heat is heat! The ipcc reports are necessarily conservative as all involved must agree to what is included! Everything is(or more properly, can be thought of as..) systems and systems, over time, tend toward disintegration. Big money knows you just attack and the confusion lasts for a long time. Unbelievably, however, Gary Kasparov wrote how the laws of thermodynamics say that a less organised system will lose more energy in manouvre than a more organised system Big energy won't be able to handle the cloud debate: ask andrei for sources and his strategic gap will be seen as bigger than that of earth to heaven! The fascists from planet accountant have no plan: socialism allows them to exist... :D |
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Title: Re: Hottest year on record Post by Deathridesahorse on Jan 12th, 2014 at 3:17am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2014 at 6:11pm:
We didn't even hit 44! Poor show perth boooooooooooo ;D we are just a nation of boooers and that is the main problem: the whole world is on the drug called charlie sheen! |
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