Sorry tony
1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Vic wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island.

Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

when was that exactly?

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! when was that exactly?

During much of Gillard's reign of terror as PM. You wouldn't remember - you had beer goggles on and your head in the sand...

LOL, you morons are also taking credit for the reduction as being in consequence of Rudds PNG solution and nuffin to do with Abbott.

bugger me, you lot have tiny minds. 

Datalife wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 10:06pm:

LOL, you morons are also taking credit for the reduction as being in consequence of Rudds PNG solution and nuffin to do with Abbott. bugger me, you lot have tiny minds.

No, I've come to the conclusion that asylum seekers are just as over seeing morrisons jerk off sessions every Friday as the rest of us, and probably hope that if they don't come he'll eventually stop showing his ugly mug on tv.

Or perhaps the reduction has come not only from png solution but also from the fact barely anyone is left in Syria, or that Indonesia has cracked down on visa for Iranians, or the fact that Sri Lanka has increased security on Tamils fleeing. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 10:25pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 10:06pm: LOL, you morons are also taking credit for the reduction as being in consequence of Rudds PNG solution and nuffin to do with Abbott. bugger me, you lot have tiny minds.  No, I've come to the conclusion that asylum seekers are just as over seeing morrisons jerk off sessions every Friday as the rest of us, and probably hope that if they don't come he'll eventually stop showing his ugly mug on tv. Or perhaps the reduction has come not only from png solution but also from the fact barely anyone is left in Syria, or that Indonesia has cracked down on visa for Iranians, or the fact that Sri Lanka has increased security on Tamils fleeing.

Sounds fair, tis a complex problem and will require multiple inputs.  The Labor PNG solution is a big part of those inputs.  Labor always go hard on country shoppers and good on them, much harder than those softcock liberals.  8-) 8-)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 9:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 9:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! when was that exactly? During much of Gillard's reign of terror as PM. You wouldn't remember - you had beer goggles on and your head in the sand...

What exactly terrified you? 

Yes, leftards, but they are stopping, they are stopping, and they will be stopped, you have to admit that. Only Mr Abbott can stop the boats. Say what you’ll do and do what you say, that’s Mr Abbott’s motto. Under-promise and over-deliver. Sensible, reliable, stable, predictable, honest and trustworthy government, steady as she goes, the grown-ups back in charge.

And thank heavens for that.

Datalife wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 10:06pm:

LOL, you morons are also taking credit for the reduction as being in consequence of Rudds PNG solution and nuffin to do with Abbott. bugger me, you lot have tiny minds.

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 9:59am:

Quote: "This represents a 70 per cent decline on last December, when there were 1149 (arrivals) on 20 boats - so far this is the lowest number of arrivals in December for five years," Mr Morrison said in a statement. how come Labor couldn't do this... ? Can you only READ "The Australian" ? [quote] Fact Check consulted two researchers from the University of Queensland who specialise in data analysis, Dr Angela Higginson and Jason Ferris. They modelled the data and concluded that: "There has been a statistically significant reduction in the number of arrivals since the Coalition took Government... But it sits as part of a trend in reductions of arrivals that began with the last government. So in short, Mr Morrison is right, but he's not taking context into account." The researchers say the comparison period of before and after Operation Sovereign Borders used by Mr Morrison misses the point, "because this trend began back in July and there is no sign that the election of the Abbott Coalition Government has had any impact on arrivals whatsoever". They say over the past five years, there have been several changes in the trend of asylum seeker arrivals, the most recent change being in July 2013, "but that there is no evidence of any further change in trend since the election". http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-10/scott-morrison-not-telling-full-story-asylum-seeker-arrivals/5119380

i
... and the ELECTORATE'S not buying it, EITHER





Quote:

Labor leads Coalition in latest Newspoll by 52% to 48% two-party preferred After three months in government, support for Coalition falls to its lowest level in nearly three years, poll shows http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/10/labor-leads-coalition-in-latest-newspoll-for-first-time-since-gillard-elected

Quote:

Howard and Costello had spun the same old shite a decade BEFORE - in claiming the election of their government had brought interest rates to "record lows" In REALITY, the RBA cash rate target CONTINUED on a trend that began LONG BEFORE any change of government

iQuote:

The verdict There has been an 80 per cent reduction in asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat in the comparison period outlined by Mr Morrison. However, the data shows the number of arrivals began to slow significantly under Labor, soon after Mr Rudd's regional resettlement arrangement was announced.

[/quote]

It is safe to say a sh*tload less are coming than the horrendous peak periods we saw under the prior Government.

Datalife wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 10:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 10:25pm: Datalife wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 10:06pm: LOL, you morons are also taking credit for the reduction as being in consequence of Rudds PNG solution and nuffin to do with Abbott. bugger me, you lot have tiny minds.  No, I've come to the conclusion that asylum seekers are just as over seeing morrisons jerk off sessions every Friday as the rest of us, and probably hope that if they don't come he'll eventually stop showing his ugly mug on tv. Or perhaps the reduction has come not only from png solution but also from the fact barely anyone is left in Syria, or that Indonesia has cracked down on visa for Iranians, or the fact that Sri Lanka has increased security on Tamils fleeing.  Sounds fair, tis a complex problem and will require multiple inputs.  The Labor PNG solution is a big part of those inputs.  Labor always go hard on country shoppers and good on them, much harder than those softcock liberals.  8-) 8-)

All governments treat the 1 out of 10 who end up being country shoppers the same way: the claim is denied, all appeals are exhausted, and they are deported.

Sri Lanka has already stated it will accept every boat person coming from there as economic illegal migrants.
We should take them up on their offer.

Worth noting Bob Carr congratulated Sri Lanka on the huge steps taken since the civil war and declared it safe following his visit.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 11:10pm:

Sri Lanka has already stated it will accept every boat person coming from there as economic illegal migrants. We should take them up on their offer. Worth noting Bob Carr congratulated Sri Lanka on the huge steps taken since the civil war and declared it safe following his visit.

What did your pm, Cameron, have to say about Sri Lanka?

But no you're right, let's listen to the government that is the one with human rights violations hanging over it's head for abusing and killing the very same people that are trying to flee.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 11:03pm:

It is safe to say a sh*tload less are coming than the horrendous peak periods we saw under the prior Government.

Thanks TO the last boat arrival policy of the prior government

REMEMBER, "The Abbott" has done NOTHING NEW

( ... aside from introducing censorship)




http://aussiememes.com.au/media/created/STOP-THE-BOATS-iugknp.jpg

Sri Lanka is an ally of Australia in the war on terror.

I myself work with a Sri Lankan who says pretty much the same thing about how those arriving into Australia are mere economic migrants wanting a better life.
They aren't fleeing anything at all.

I'd take a knowledge of a guy from there than yours, mine or even Dangerous Dave's.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 11:10pm:

Sri Lanka has already stated it will accept every boat person coming from there as economic illegal migrants. We should take them up on their offer.

... as we did with HITLER ... and the JEWS

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 11:21pm:

I myself work with a Sri Lankan who says pretty much the same thing about how those arriving into Australia are mere economic migrants wanting a better life. They aren't fleeing anything at all.

Singhalese ... or Tamil ?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 11:21pm:

Sri Lanka is an ally of Australia in the war on terror. I myself work with a Sri Lankan who says pretty much the same thing about how those arriving into Australia are mere economic migrants wanting a better life. They aren't fleeing anything at all. I'd take a knowledge of a guy from there than yours, mine or even Dangerous Dave's.

I also work with a guy from Sri Lanka who says the opposite to what your guy from Sri Lanka says.
And I have a Sri Lankan friend who says the opposite to what your guy from Sri Lanka says.

So going by your logic, 2 opinions of my friends, outweigh 1 opinion of your friend. 

I hope you understand how foolish it is to suggest that an opinion of an individual outweighs reporting in media, Dangerous Dave's, US leaked cables, UN investigations, etc. etc.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:00am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 11:21pm: Sri Lanka is an ally of Australia in the war on terror. I myself work with a Sri Lankan who says pretty much the same thing about how those arriving into Australia are mere economic migrants wanting a better life. They aren't fleeing anything at all. I'd take a knowledge of a guy from there than yours, mine or even Dangerous Dave's. I also work with a guy from Sri Lanka who says the opposite to what your guy from Sri Lanka says. And I have a Sri Lankan friend who says the opposite to what your guy from Sri Lanka says. So going by your logic, 2 opinions of my friends, outweigh 1 opinion of your friend.  I hope you understand how foolish it is to suggest that an opinion of an individual outweighs reporting in media, Dangerous Dave's, US leaked cables, UN investigations, etc. etc.

Are they Tamils?

By the way the Australian Government past and present declared Sri Lanka safe.
Are we ignoring them too?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:00am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 11:21pm: Sri Lanka is an ally of Australia in the war on terror. I myself work with a Sri Lankan who says pretty much the same thing about how those arriving into Australia are mere economic migrants wanting a better life. They aren't fleeing anything at all. I'd take a knowledge of a guy from there than yours, mine or even Dangerous Dave's. I also work with a guy from Sri Lanka who says the opposite to what your guy from Sri Lanka says. And I have a Sri Lankan friend who says the opposite to what your guy from Sri Lanka says. So going by your logic, 2 opinions of my friends, outweigh 1 opinion of your friend.  I hope you understand how foolish it is to suggest that an opinion of an individual outweighs reporting in media, Dangerous Dave's, US leaked cables, UN investigations, etc. etc.

Oh, you know "a guy"! Well, I'm sure that your guy is much more knowledgeable than the Federal Governments both current and previous who both declared Sri Lanka to be safe. They're economic migrants (illegal immigrants), plain and simple...

We recently gave military vehicles to sri Lanka to help them stop people leaving thesre .  heeres a hot tip, when your own government is stopping its own minorities fleeing, then arresting them for doing so its not to give a hug and a nice cup of tea

They're still coming Tony!

STOP THE BOATS!!!

Asylum boat spotted near NT coast

First for the new year.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 5:19am:

Oh, you know "a guy"! Well, I'm sure that your guy is much more knowledgeable than the Federal Governments both current and previous who both declared Sri Lanka to be safe.

The hell it is

Datalife wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 10:06pm:

LOL, you morons are also taking credit for the reduction as being in consequence of Rudds PNG solution and nuffin to do with Abbott. bugger me, you lot have tiny minds.

and yours must be smaller or non existent...

Rudd, in a desperate attempt to win votes before the last election, started to reapply John Howards Australian Boarder protection policies...

this was after he removed them 6 years previous.. it took HUNDREDS OF BOATS and over 50,000 ILLEGALS for him to see the error of his misguided do-gooding ways to finally admit that Howard was RIGHT and he was WRONG and to reintroduce the Pacific Solution Polices...

only an idiot could see it any different...

under Labor

Illegals in Australian waters

2013: 17,710
2012: 17,202
2011: 4,565
2010: 6,535
2009: 2,726
2008: 161

so lets see where the next three years takes us..

True Blue... wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:39am:

under Labor Illegals in Australian waters 2013: 17,710 2012: 17,202 2011: 4,565 2010: 6,535 2009: 2,726 2008: 161 so lets see where the next three years takes us..

"illegals"    ;D

True Blue... wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:33am:

Datalife wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 10:06pm: LOL, you morons are also taking credit for the reduction as being in consequence of Rudds PNG solution and nuffin to do with Abbott. bugger me, you lot have tiny minds.  and yours must be smaller or non existent... Rudd, in a desperate attempt to win votes before the last election, started to reapply John Howards Australian Boarder protection policies... this was after he removed them 6 years previous.. it took HUNDREDS OF BOATS and over 50,000 ILLEGALS for him to see the error of his misguided do-gooding ways to finally admit that Howard was RIGHT and he was WRONG and to reintroduce the Pacific Solution Polices... only an idiot could see it any different...

So here you admit that the boats were significantly slowed before anything Abbott had contributed took effect.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 9:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 9:05pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! when was that exactly? During much of Gillard's reign of terror as PM. You wouldn't remember - you had beer goggles on and your head in the sand...

so you don't know when? I didn't think so ... all you did was make yourself look like an idiotic liar

serves you right for pretending you know what you are talking about !!!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 8:26am:

True Blue... wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: under Labor Illegals in Australian waters 2013: 17,710 2012: 17,202 2011: 4,565 2010: 6,535 2009: 2,726 2008: 161 so lets see where the next three years takes us.. "illegals"    ;D

SIEV

SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ENTRY VEHICLE INTO AUSTRALIAN WATERS.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 8:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:26am: True Blue... wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: under Labor Illegals in Australian waters 2013: 17,710 2012: 17,202 2011: 4,565 2010: 6,535 2009: 2,726 2008: 161 so lets see where the next three years takes us.. "illegals"    ;D SIEV SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ENTRY VEHICLE INTO AUSTRALIAN WATERS.

Ah, so you're talking about vehicles.  You're calling the boats "illegals".   Hmmm.

17,710 "illegal" vehicles in 2013?  I don't think so.

Plus ...

"Suspected: have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof."

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 8:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:26am: True Blue... wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am: under Labor Illegals in Australian waters 2013: 17,710 2012: 17,202 2011: 4,565 2010: 6,535 2009: 2,726 2008: 161 so lets see where the next three years takes us.. "illegals"    ;D SIEV SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ENTRY VEHICLE INTO AUSTRALIAN WATERS.

"SIEV".   Hmmm.

That's an ADF term, isn't it?

The ADF says it stands for: " ... suspected irregular entry vessel ... ".

http://www.defence.gov.au/siev36/

What about the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service?  What do they say about that little acronym?

Let's have a look, shall we?

Here we go:  "SIEV - Suspect Irregular Entrant Vessel"

http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/minisites/annualreport0809/pages/page85.html

Hmmm    :-/

Perhaps you should start calling the boats "irregulars". 

For a decade the term was SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ENTRY VEHICLE.

It was only recently adjusted for IRREGULAR.

No doubt to pacify nancys who get all worked up over a word. Know anyone like that?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:26am:

For a decade the term was SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ENTRY VEHICLE. It was only recently adjusted for IRREGULAR. No doubt to pacify nancys who get all worked up over a word. Know anyone like that?

The acronym refers to boats, not people, and it deems them to be irregular, not illegal.

White flag accepted.

We can handle a boat here and there. Easy to process then off to the camps without the possibility of parole.

Actually, Morrison has recently changed the terminology to "illegal maritime arrival" because he is a gutless dog whistling oxygen theif.

Still doesn't mean they have committed any crime mind you

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 9:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:26am: For a decade the term was SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ENTRY VEHICLE. It was only recently adjusted for IRREGULAR. No doubt to pacify nancys who get all worked up over a word. Know anyone like that? The acronym refers to boats, not people, and it deems them to be irregular, not illegal. White flag accepted.

The acronym for a decade was ILLEGAL and changed only recently.

No white flag offered.

Well it is refreshing to see you both arguing for the other side for once, just a couple of things.

1. the term under the previous government was "irregular maritime arrivals"
2. the term was recently changed by the current government to "illegal maritime arrivals"
3. Asylum seekers are not committing any crime despite what their entry is called, irregular or illegal

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:27am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:26am: For a decade the term was SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ENTRY VEHICLE. It was only recently adjusted for IRREGULAR. No doubt to pacify nancys who get all worked up over a word. Know anyone like that? The acronym refers to boats, not people, and it deems them to be irregular, not illegal. White flag accepted. The acronym for a decade was ILLEGAL and changed only recently. No white flag offered.

Your definition of 'SIEV' is irrelevant for three very clear reasons.

1. it refers to boats, not people

2. it deems the boats irregular, not illegal

3. it's 2014

Grow a set and admit when you are wrong.

The term should be "fake refugees", or maybe "centrelink seekers" no one could argue with that definition.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:14am:

The term should be "fake refugees", or maybe "centrelink seekers" no one could argue with that definition.

So, got any figures to back it up this time, or just chirping in before running away like a scared puppy again?

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:12am:

Well it is refreshing to see you both arguing for the other side for once, just a couple of things. 1. the term under the previous government was "irregular maritime arrivals" 2. the term was recently changed by the current government to "illegal maritime arrivals" 3. Asylum seekers are not committing any crime despite what their entry is called, irregular or illegal

That's for the passengers of the boats, not the boats themselves.

Andrei is talking about the term used by the ADF for the actual boats - SIEVs.

And SIEV, today, stands for "Suspected Irregular Entry Vessel".

Andrei seems to be living in the past.

And you are correct, the passengers are not committing any crime.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:14am:

The term should be "fake refugees", or maybe "centrelink seekers" no one could argue with that definition.

The majority are found to be genuine refugees so, "fake refugees" would not be applicable.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:28am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:14am: The term should be "fake refugees", or maybe "centrelink seekers" no one could argue with that definition. The majority are found to be genuine refugees so, "fake refugees" would not be applicable.

By who?

Sparky wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:28am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:14am: The term should be "fake refugees", or maybe "centrelink seekers" no one could argue with that definition. The majority are found to be genuine refugees so, "fake refugees" would not be applicable. By who?

The Australian Government's Department of Immigration.

(Department of Immigration and Border Protection)

Beaten to it by Pecc, but also read here


Sparky wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:32am:

By who?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544
http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-boat-people-economic-migrants/
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

Beaten to it by Pecc, but also read here Sparky wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:32am: By who? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544 http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-boat-people-economic-migrants/ http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601

So some do-gooder backed by some Labor run agency is told a story and believes it without the resources to fully investigate the claim. Now it's reality!!

Yeah I'm sure the article clearly stating that Bob Carr was tlaking out his arse was clearly "some do-gooder backed by some Labor".

"Irregular" changed from "illegal", lol. By the stroke of a pen it completely changes the perspective of the legislation. Perhaps they can just change it again to "idiot" or "illogical". After all, if it's embedded in law how can it be wrong, eh "progressives"?

Sparky wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:40am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:36am: Beaten to it by Pecc, but also read here Sparky wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:32am: By who? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544 http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-boat-people-economic-migrants/ http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601 So some do-gooder backed by some Labor run agency is told a story and believes it without the resources to fully investigate the claim. Now it's reality!!

I'm just dealing with the facts:

" ... More than 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat were found to be genuine refugees in the March quarter ... "

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/overwhelming-majority-of-boat-arrivals-deemed-to-be-refugees-20130519-2juty.html

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years!

So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

After all, if it's embedded in law how can it be wrong, eh "progressives"?

You seem to have a very poor understanding of law (among many other things).

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:45am:

Yeah I'm sure the article clearly stating that Bob Carr was tlaking out his arse was clearly "some do-gooder backed by some Labor".

Don't bother, sparky suffers the same disease as the rest of the loony conservatives and it prevents him from processing information properly.

That's why you'll hear from him at times that it's about deaths at sea. But other times it's about stopping people smugglers.  But then it's because all asylum seekers arriving by boat are economic migrants?  And do you know how he knows this?  Because a people smuggler said once that they tell asylum seekers how to talk to our immigration department.  It's similar to you know, a footy team that's on top of the ladder no longer needing to train as otherwise they would be cheating.  Sparky just can't assess information and make logical conclusions.  But not his fault, it's the loony conservative disease.

The truth is, for sparky any excuse will do.  Because it's not about deaths, or people smuggling, or economic migrants.  No,  it's not even about "queue jumping."  It's quite simply fear. And this fear means any excuse will do and any bit of news that may justify the fear by the slightest is above all else fact. 

Quite sad, really.

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

He says they're stopping    ;D


http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:52am: After all, if it's embedded in law how can it be wrong, eh "progressives"? You seem to have a very poor understanding of law (among many other things).

But your argument has always been 'because it's the law' and not the moral or rational reasoning behind the justification of those laws.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:45am: Yeah I'm sure the article clearly stating that Bob Carr was tlaking out his arse was clearly "some do-gooder backed by some Labor". Don't bother, sparky suffers the same disease as the rest of the loony conservatives and it prevents him from processing information properly. That's why you'll hear from him at times that it's about deaths at sea. But other times it's about stopping people smugglers.  But then it's because all asylum seekers arriving by boat are economic migrants?  And do you know how he knows this?  Because a people smuggler said once that they tell asylum seekers how to talk to our immigration department.  It's similar to you know, a footy team that's on top of the ladder no longer needing to train as otherwise they would be cheating.  Sparky just can't assess information and make logical conclusions.  But not his fault, it's the loony conservative disease. The truth is, for sparky any excuse will do.  Because it's not about deaths, or people smuggling, or economic migrants.  No,  it's not even about "queue jumping."  It's quite simply fear. And this fear means any excuse will do and any bit of news that may justify the fear by the slightest is above all else fact.  Quite sad, really.

Yawn. The whole thing is a political football for the "progressives' as well. They're no different in this respect. For example, the deaths at sea are down and the boats have slowed. But you're all still whining about Abbott and Morrison.

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises?

Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:(

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? He says they're stopping    ;D http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png

Good one - lets all start using the Occupy movement as our source of intelligent, well-researched information!  ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:57am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? He says they're stopping    ;D http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png Good one - lets all start using the Occupy movement as our source of intelligent, well-researched information.

You actually believe what the government is (not) telling you.

Why does that not come as a surprise? 

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:57am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? He says they're stopping    ;D http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png Good one - lets all start using the Occupy movement as our source of intelligent, well-researched information!

Not bad advice from someone who regularly reposts Bolt or Ackermen, it has to be an obvious improvment.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? He says they're stopping    ;D http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png

yep, political football.
the average punter thinks they have all but stopped.
tony is showing sound political judgement.
its not his fault that labor showed what incredible numpties they are by their absolutley laughable media performance with regards this issue.
what idiotic amateurs they were for not also banning the reporting of arrivals.
it just seems like such a no brainer, i cant believe you would criticise tony for it,  you should have criticised gillard/rudd for not doing it.

perception is all that counts in politics, especially when the electorate have a 10 second attention span.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:57am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? He says they're stopping    ;D http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png Good one - lets all start using the Occupy movement as our source of intelligent, well-researched information. You actually believe what the government is (not) telling you. Why does that not come as a surprise?

You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

aquascoot wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:08pm:

perception is all that counts in politics, especially when the electorate have a 10 second attention span.

Quote:

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

I'm just dealing with the facts: " ... More than 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat were found to be genuine refugees in the March quarter ... " http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/overwhelming-majority-of-boat-arrivals-deemed-to-be-refugees-20130519-2juty.html

It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests. 

They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know.  They are brighter than you are. 

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:03pm:

It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.  They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know.  They are brighter than you are.

You can't prove any of this.  I am aware that some people probably do slip through the craks, but the only assumption you can make based on the available evidence is that the majority are genuine refugees.

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:03pm: It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.  They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know.  They are brighter than you are. You can't prove any of this.  I am aware that some people probably do slip through the craks, but the only assumption you can make based on the available evidence is that the majority are genuine refugees.

LOL,  people smugglers and country shoppers both say that they are coached, a govt report says that they are coached.  Those statistics are rubbish and unreliable.  It is obvious to anyone who has the wit to connect that fact that people smugglers are coaching country shoppers. 

But I expect you and others will desperately cling to it despite its obvious failings as a credible indication. 

And you clowns pretend you are the intelligentsia?  ;D ;D

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

people smugglers and country shoppers both say that they are coached

Does not mean they aren't genuine refugees


Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

a govt report says that they are coached

Does not mean they arne't genuine refugees


Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

Those statistics are rubbish and unreliable

Yet they are more reliable than your statistics, of which you have zero.

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:21pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:12pm: people smugglers and country shoppers both say that they are coached Does not mean they aren't genuine refugees Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:12pm: a govt report says that they are coached Does not mean they arne't genuine refugees Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:12pm: Those statistics are rubbish and unreliable Yet they are more reliable than your statistics, of which you have zero.

Hehehehe, you accept that country shoppers are being coached but you insist that the statistic is reliable.

Ya gotta laugh at the gullibility and naivety the left will display in willing idiocy and suspension of rational thought.   

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:34pm:

Hehehehe, you accept that country shoppers are being coached but you insist that the statistic is reliable.

1. This doesn't mean they aren't genuine
2.  I know it isn't 100% reliable. 

If you disagree, how about you come up with some statistics instead of coming of like some kind of xenophobic bigot?


Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:34pm:

idiocy and suspension of rational thought.

Rational thought?  What part of your thought process is rational?  The part where you base your opinion off of no evidence, or the part where you don't like foreigners?

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:

Rational thought?  What part of your thought process is rational?  The part where you base your opinion off of no evidence, or the part where you don't like foreigners?

The rational part is not blindly accepting at face value a statistic where there is evidence that the statistic is useless. 

Plenty of evidence why the statistic is useless has been posted, I know you have read it because I have posted it in response to you asking for it.  More than once.   8-)

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:42pm:

Plenty of evidence why the statistic is useless has been posted,

That they destroy passports?  Congratulations, you have proven they destroy passports.

Now how about you prove they aren't genuine refugees.

people who fly in by plane and seek asylum always try and destroy their passports. Its standard asylum-seeking procedure.

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:42pm: Plenty of evidence why the statistic is useless has been posted, That they destroy passports?  Congratulations, you have proven they destroy passports. Now how about you prove they aren't genuine refugees.

I look at all things critically and rationally.  If there is evidence that the barrier tests are being circumvented by coached claims then the statistic is bogus.

I really cannot make it any simpler for you than that. 

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:50pm:

I look at all things critically and rationally.  If there is evidence that the barrier tests are being circumvented by coached claims then the statistic is bogus.

So still no evidence they aren't genuine asylum seekers then?

Stratos wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:50pm: I look at all things critically and rationally.  If there is evidence that the barrier tests are being circumvented by coached claims then the statistic is bogus. So still no evidence they aren't genuine asylum seekers then?

I was addressing the 90% statistic.  Why they lie is another matter.  I can think of many reasons why they do, and not all those reasons include fleeing persecution. 

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:50pm:

I look at all things critically and rationally.  If there is evidence that the barrier tests are being circumvented by coached claims then the statistic is bogus. I really cannot make it any simpler for you than that.

Yeah about that rational and critical thinking, Data...

asylum seekers pay people smugglers thousands of dollars to get them to Australia. They want value for money, and the smugglers want satisfied customers. Just like any other business model.. right? So the smugglers provide them with an attractive service that will give them the best chance of being accepted. This includes "coaching". It doesn't mean they are not genuine refugees, but it does mean they have the nous to understand the virtue of playing the system as best they can.

Anyone would do exactly the same in that position - whether or not they are genuine or not. Your argument neither proves nor disproves them being genuine. Please actually use that rational and critical thought you claim you possess.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:05pm:

Anyone would do exactly the same in that position - whether or not they are genuine or not. Your argument neither proves nor disproves them being genuine. Please actually use that rational and critical thought you claim you possess.

I agree, it has never been my position that country shoppers are stupid people at the mercy of wind and tides.  I consider them intelligent and resourceful.   I give little brown people more credit than a lot of lefties.

And it is true,  I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic. 

As to why they lie and rely on coached stories,  again, unknowable, suffice to say if they were genuine there would be no need for reliance on coached stories.  Having said that, if I was a country shopper, I would go for the story that works as well.   8-)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:45pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:57am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? He says they're stopping    ;D http://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tony-stops-the-boats.png Good one - lets all start using the Occupy movement as our source of intelligent, well-researched information. You actually believe what the government is (not) telling you. Why does that not come as a surprise?  You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

Nope.

You've mistaken me for someone else.

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:52am: I'm just dealing with the facts: " ... More than 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat were found to be genuine refugees in the March quarter ... " http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/overwhelming-majority-of-boat-arrivals-deemed-to-be-refugees-20130519-2juty.html It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.  They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know.  They are brighter than you are.

The figures are provided by the government, and published in official Department of Immigration reports.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/asylum/_files/asylum-stats-march-quarter-2013.pdf

If you have evidence that shows that the data in these reports has been falsified, please share.

So ... ?

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.

OK then, over to you ...

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 3:11pm: I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.  OK then, over to you ...

I have posted for you before evidence that people smugglers say they coach people in stories to tell and that country shoppers say they use those stories.

If you cannot recall then I suggest you see a doctor, because your memory is shot, but I suspect you do recall, but because it doesn't fit your narrative or agenda you prefer to ignore evidence that the barrier tests are being circumvented.

That sort of wilful ignorance I cannot help you with sorry.  8-)

Feel happy in parroting 90% and believing it means something.  Certainly doesn't indicate any capacity for thought from you. 

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm: Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 3:11pm: I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.  OK then, over to you ... I have posted for you before evidence that people smugglers say they coach people in stories to tell and that country shoppers say they use those stories.

And again Data, this proves nothing about whether they are genuine or not.  For the amount of asylum seekers you have shown to be anything other than genuine, the number very well could be correct.

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 3:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm: Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 3:11pm: I cannot prove they are genuine or not, but I can demonstrate that greggorys much loved 90% is unreliable and worthless as a statistic.  OK then, over to you ... I have posted for you before evidence that people smugglers say they coach people in stories to tell and that country shoppers say they use those stories.

I've provided an official government report demonstrating that my figures are accurate.

You've provided "statements" from people smugglers.

You obviously don't want to be taken seriously, and I am only too happy to oblige.

Cheers.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

"if you want to put  a price on carbon why not a tax"

Support a carbon trading scheme

man made carbon dioxide pollution is a genuine problem

"Its all BS"

Which of FC Abbotts multiple positions on carbon do you believe ???

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:(

thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin

I think the leftoids are beginning to miss all those drowned reffos washing up on our shores.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool!

There never WAS a "carbon tax"

There WAS a FIXED PRICE on carbon - as "roll in" to an EMMISSIONS TRADING SCHEME - for a period of one year*

( ... the SAME ETS model proposed by the first Rudd Government

... the SAME ETS model proposed by the HOWARD Government)


* ... this one year period was re-negotiated to THREE YEARS - with the Greens and independents - as a condition of passing ETS legislation

The tag "carbon tax" was applied to the interim fixed price by the media and opposition



( ... not that this clarification will sink in ... as Tony Abbott can't tell the difference between a carbon tax and an ETS, I doubt his supporters can)

Datalife wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 2:12pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:05pm: Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:03pm: It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.  They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know.  They are brighter than you are. You can't prove any of this.  I am aware that some people probably do slip through the craks, but the only assumption you can make based on the available evidence is that the majority are genuine refugees. LOL,  people smugglers and country shoppers both say that they are coached, a govt report says that they are coached.  Those statistics are rubbish and unreliable.  It is obvious to anyone who has the wit to connect that fact that people smugglers are coaching country shoppers.  But I expect you and others will desperately cling to it despite its obvious failings as a credible indication.  And you clowns pretend you are the intelligentsia?  ;D ;D

they are coached to the extent that they are told what to say so as to claim asylum and  so that they are not thrown on the first plane out of here ... they are not coached in how to bypass the checks that the government does after that point ... what do people smugglers care if they are ultimately refused?

In fact, it works in their favour if they are sent back because the person being refused may try again and hand over another $10 000. No one without ID is approved if the govt. hasn't had an independant 3rd party confirm who they are .... in fact they cannot send them back without evidence of their real identities because the country they send them back to will in most cases refuse to take them back if you cannot prove they are originally from there

you said something about pretend intelligentsia

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 1:35pm: You believed Gillard's broken promise on the carbon tax, didn't you? Fool! There never WAS a "carbon tax" There WAS a FIXED PRICE on carbon - as "roll in" to an EMMISSIONS TRADING SCHEME - for a period of one year* ( ... the SAME ETS model proposed by the first Rudd Government ... the SAME ETS model proposed by the HOWARD Government) * ... this one year period was re-negotiated to THREE YEARS - with the Greens and independents - as a condition of passing ETS legislation The tag "carbon tax" was applied to the interim fixed price by the media and opposition ( ... not that this clarification will sink in ... as Tony Abbott can't tell the difference between a carbon tax and an ETS, I doubt his supporters can)

you are a fool with zero cred on show for all. Get educated man

Vic wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 6:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin

Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 7:03pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:12pm: Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:05pm: Datalife wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:03pm: It is no surprise to me that someone of your wit doesn't understand that the figure on which you so heavily rely is useless based on the evidence of people smugglers coaching country shoppers in what to say in order to pass those barrier tests.  They don't throw IDs overboard or mail them back from Indonesia for fun you know.  They are brighter than you are. You can't prove any of this.  I am aware that some people probably do slip through the craks, but the only assumption you can make based on the available evidence is that the majority are genuine refugees. LOL,  people smugglers and country shoppers both say that they are coached, a govt report says that they are coached.  Those statistics are rubbish and unreliable.  It is obvious to anyone who has the wit to connect that fact that people smugglers are coaching country shoppers.  But I expect you and others will desperately cling to it despite its obvious failings as a credible indication.  And you clowns pretend you are the intelligentsia?  ;D ;D they are coached to the extent that they are told what to say so as to claim asylum and  so that they are not thrown on the first plane out of here ... they are not coached in how to bypass the checks that the government does after that point ... what do people smugglers care if they are ultimately refused? In fact, it works in their favour if they are sent back because the person being refused may try again and hand over another $10 000. No one without ID is approved if the govt. hasn't had an independant 3rd party confirm who they are .... in fact they cannot send them back without evidence of their real identities because the country they send them back to will in most cases refuse to take them back if you cannot prove they are originally from there you said something about pretend intelligentsia

You just love shooting yourself in the foot, eh? How much business do you reckon those people smugglers would get if their customers were reported in the media as having their request for asylum rejected almost straight away and being deported? It's in the interests of their "business" to provide as much advice/assistance as they can for their customers to ultimately succeed so that they will gain more customers. Yes, would-be illegal immigrants do watch the news and read the papers! ;)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:10am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you.

If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats

I suspect that the budget will be his best opportunity to stop the boats once and for all. He can announce the closure of the many fairy run. He can then claim to his followers that the red neck peninsula is finally safe from the western bogans.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:10am:

Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you.

No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers.   He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't

BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring.  The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness.

Vic wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you. No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers.   He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring.  The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness.

Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea. They wouldn't of happened if they didn't start people smuggling up again.

Sparky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:54am:

Vic wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you. No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers.   He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring.  The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness. Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea. They wouldn't of happened if they didn't start people smuggling up again.

Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea. They wouldn't of happened if they didn't start people smuggling up again.

So, the installation of the Coalition Government has solved the problem?

Noting the last months of the Rudd govenment basically reinstated Howard's policies (with the exception of TPVs) why are the Coalition EXPANDING the detention centres at Nauru and Manus?  Isn't Operation Soveriegn borders supposed to negate this need?  Why is Abbott allowing our ACPBs to enter Indonesian waters to rescue people?   According to the right on here, they should be just left to drown

It all boils down to the fact that when in Opposition, you can make all the promises you want and the gullible will vote for you.  Once in Government though, it is a different story.   Many of the rusted on right on here still believe the Coalition is doing a great job - one day, I am sure they will wake up very dissapointed.

I just found it funny you knocking some poor bugger that has nothing to do with the deaths while bypassing all the Labor and Greens politicians that  caused it. Do you admit that Labor border control amendment (with help from the Greens) caused the death of thousands of people.

Sparky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:54am:

Vic wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you. No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers.   He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring.  The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness. Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea. They wouldn't of happened if they didn't start people smuggling up again.

How many may have been avoided were the Abbott opposition not making sure that there was no solution for as long as possible ???

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:17am:

Sparky wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:54am: Vic wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you. No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers.   He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring.  The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness. Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea. They wouldn't of happened if they didn't start people smuggling up again. How many may have been avoided were the Abbott opposition not making sure that there was no solution for as long as possible ???

What solution was that?

Sparky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:08am:

I just found it funny you knocking some poor bugger that has nothing to do with the deaths while bypassing all the Labor and Greens politicians that  caused it. Do you admit that Labor border control amendment (with help from the Greens) caused the death of thousands of people.

Rudd went to the people in 2007 with a promise to reinstate on shore processing.  He won and did that.   There were push and pull factors associated with a large increase in asylum seekers to Australia - I am sure not even Rudd could have projected such a large increase.

Rudd should have acted much earlier than he did.  But it is true people died trying to get to Australia just as people are still drowning.     So, a change in Governemnt has done little to stem the flow and the unfortunate deaths.

Regrettably, some of the right on here seem to orgasm in blaming Labor for anyone who dies - regardless of the circumstances in which that happened (roof insulation for instance)

There are 8 ACPB, two major warships (equipped with state of the art detection equipment), JORN, Customs and Border Protection platforms, and a couple of leased civilian ships up North at the moment - and still the boats come and the drownings continue.

This is happening under the Coalition Soverign Borders Policy, so what is your answer?  And please don't consider asking Indonesia to help - Bishop already blew that option!

"Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea"

I also find it amusing when I hear posters on here bashing the Greens.      Part of Abbott's election mantra was no dealing with the greens - and yet Hockey ran to them cap in hand when he needed to get legislation through the Senate.   Greens and the Coalition - best buddies now.

Why bother!

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2014 at 11:19am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:54am: Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:45am: Yeah I'm sure the article clearly stating that Bob Carr was tlaking out his arse was clearly "some do-gooder backed by some Labor". Don't bother, sparky suffers the same disease as the rest of the loony conservatives and it prevents him from processing information properly. That's why you'll hear from him at times that it's about deaths at sea. But other times it's about stopping people smugglers.  But then it's because all asylum seekers arriving by boat are economic migrants?  And do you know how he knows this?  Because a people smuggler said once that they tell asylum seekers how to talk to our immigration department.  It's similar to you know, a footy team that's on top of the ladder no longer needing to train as otherwise they would be cheating.  Sparky just can't assess information and make logical conclusions.  But not his fault, it's the loony conservative disease. The truth is, for sparky any excuse will do.  Because it's not about deaths, or people smuggling, or economic migrants.  No,  it's not even about "queue jumping."  It's quite simply fear. And this fear means any excuse will do and any bit of news that may justify the fear by the slightest is above all else fact.  Quite sad, really. Yawn. The whole thing is a political football for the "progressives' as well. They're no different in this respect. For example, the deaths at sea are down and the boats have slowed. But you're all still whining about Abbott and Morrison.

Yes because in the process of stopping the deaths Of country shoppers in a bid to stop people smuggling, wank and his right hand are continuing systematic abuse of Genuine asylum seekers for political gain.

As a progressive my objective is clear.  I want my country to ensure people don't risk their lives via people smuggling not through deterring those people, but through 1) processing them and 2) helping end the conflicts.

And I don't go out trying to find 101 reasons to keep the fear.  Like datalife, with his "critical" analysis.  Apparently if you get advice, help, "coaching" if you will, it instantly makes you a country shopper.  ;D. Same in any aspect of life.  Footballers are no longer footballers as they get coached. 

Sparky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:55pm:

Why bother!

Oh I fully concur - let's just let them drown at sea eh?

Vic wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:56pm:

Sparky wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 12:55pm: Why bother! Oh I fully concur - let's just let them drown at sea eh?

The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk.

If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story.

havent those boats stopped yet?

... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:43pm:

havent those boats stopped yet?

They must have. You don't hear about them anymore.

Three cheers for Mr Abbott!!!

... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:43pm:

havent those boats stopped yet?

They haven't stopped, but they are stopping.


http://i.imgur.com/AkEFBvU.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats I suspect that the budget will be his best opportunity to stop the boats once and for all. He can announce the closure of the many fairy run. He can then claim to his followers that the red neck peninsula is finally safe from the western bogans.

Are you high? I can only assume you meant Manly (not many) Ferry (not fairy).  :o

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:17am:

Sparky wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:54am: Vic wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:10am: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:21pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:20pm: Vic wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:58pm: Vic wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:55pm: Sorry tony 1/1/14 and your first boat has been intercepted off bathurst island. Gee wow, one boat in a matter of weeks. Lets all hit the panic button. No, hang on! That might be a bit hasty. I seem to recall a time when we were getting 2-3 boats a day. Oh yeah, that's right - it was the norm under Labor over the previous 6 years! So Tony hasn't stopped the boats - as he promised during his election Mantra?    No one gives a crap about Labor, they are not in government.   The Coalition are, and a key cornerstone of their election commitment was to stop the boats.  They have obviously failed.   When are you Roids going to start holding this pathetic government to account for lies and failed promises? Obviously, you're an idiot. An absolute, breathtakingly stupid imbecile. I don't recall a single one of Abbott's speeches in which he gave a deadline for when he would stop the boats by. That's because he never did. He said he would stop the boats and they are stopping. Since becoming PM, he has overseen a dramatic reduction in the number of boat arrivals in a very short period of time - something Labor was simply incapable of. At its worst, Labor was getting more than one boat a day much of the time, whereas now we are lucky if we see more than 2-3 boats in a week. Have the boats completely stopped? No. Are the boats coming at the same frequency or higher than under Labor? No, not even close. Boat arrivals have reduced by more than 70% in the first 2-3 months of Abbott's term. That's another thing - we're only a few months into Abbott's term, so I think that he is entitled to a bit of time to get his policies working, especially given the blocking of legislation that shows Labor just wants him to fail because for him to succeed would be too embarrassing! Given these FACTS, your absurd and incorrect conclusion that Abbott has failed serves only to demonstrate what a colossal moron you are. Grow up. >:( thanks for the personal abuse - but if you read my post I said that Tony had promised to stop the boats.  I merely pointed out that he hasn't. I hope you get a trip to the banned bin Yes, you did. You also said he has failed. If he'd said he would stop the boats by a given date and they had not stopped, then you'd be correct. However, he gave no deadline for stopping the boats, so one can safely assume he expects to stop them before the end of his first term in office. That means he has a lot more time to actually stop the boats. That means you're wrong - he has not failed in this policy. They have slowed dramatically, however, much to your obvious disgust. You won't be happy until they're arriving at 2-3 boats a day and thousands of people are dying at sea again, as was the case under Labor. It irks you greatly that Abbott is succeeding where Rudd/Gillard failed spectacularly. That's simply disgraceful, even for you. No, I just don't like the ability Tony seems to have to fool most of his followers.   He hasn't stopped the boats, he and his ministers have backflipped on just about every decision they have made, Bishop and Abbott have made us look fools on the world stage, but you Roids hang in there hoping they will improve - well, sorry, they won't BTW your immature and thoughtless comments about people dying at sea are disgraceful and a childish attempt at political point scoring.  The almost gleeful attitude of some of the right on here using deaths of people to make a cheap point shows their shallowness. Labor and the Greens did play a massive part in those deaths at sea. They wouldn't of happened if they didn't start people smuggling up again. How many may have been avoided were the Abbott opposition not making sure that there was no solution for as long as possible ???

Abbott did not stop the Malaysian non-solution, the full bench of the High Court did. Don't blame Abbott for Labor's incompetence on this issue. They had the numbers in both houses to do as they pleased. The Rudd & Gillard governments failed spectacularly in this regard.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Abbott did not stop the Malaysian non-solution, the full bench of the High Court did. Don't blame Abbott for Labor's incompetence on this issue. They had the numbers in both houses to do as they pleased. The Rudd & Gillard governments failed spectacularly in this regard

you really are delluded aren't you?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Abbott did not stop the Malaysian non-solution, the full bench of the High Court did. Don't blame Abbott for Labor's incompetence on this issue. They had the numbers in both houses to do as they pleased. The Rudd & Gillard governments failed spectacularly in this regard.

Abbott originally offered to assist in changing the legislation but then reneged on his commitment.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:39pm:

The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk. If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story.

Don't care what color they are, a work ethic would be nice though, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole.  :D

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:39pm: The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk. If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story. Don't care what color they are, a work ethic would be nice though, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole.  :D

How many times do we have to go over that this is a blatant lie? 

The sri Lankans come here to work, no doubt the majority are economic migrants.i would prefer them anytime to the middle easterners with zero work ethic.We all know the arabs come here to breed kids and go on the dole. We know their women don't work because they arent allowed to. Ever get behind one of these arab people at an atm on dole payment day? Wait at least 5 minutes while they check any number of accounts to make sure their payments are in.

ian wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:35pm:

The sri Lankans come here to work, no doubt the majority are economic migrants.i would prefer them anytime to the middle easterners with zero work ethic.We all know the arabs come here to breed kids and go on the dole. We know their women don't work because they arent allowed to. Ever get behind one of these arab people at an atm on dole payment day? Wait at least 5 minutes while they check any number of accounts to make sure their payments are in.

We seem to know a lot and have little doubt.

ian wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:35pm:

The sri Lankans come here to work, no doubt the majority are economic migrants.i would prefer them anytime to the middle easterners with zero work ethic.We all know the arabs come here to breed kids and go on the dole. We know their women don't work because they arent allowed to. Ever get behind one of these arab people at an atm on dole payment day? Wait at least 5 minutes while they check any number of accounts to make sure their payments are in.

You seem to know a lot about strangers at the ATM.

How would you know when dole payment day is? mmmmmmmmm????

Are you a government spy?

i think the thing that the average suburbanite (ie the 12 million average australians who determine election results) finds peculiar about this issue is the following.

we have many many do-gooders who seem to be sprouting all these messages of concern and weeping tears about "drownings at sea' and 'human suffering'. that in itself would probably be acceptable if it werent for the following....

your average suburbanite sees single mums with no support from the community struggling to get their kids educated and off to school
your average suburbanite sees divorced dads with no money doing hard labour and trying to care for kids on weekends with no community support.
your average suburbanite sees elderly people with disease struggling to do their activities of daily living with no community support or encouragement.
your average suburbanite sees kids with anxiety disorders, kids living in abusive homes, lonely people, people with addictions, people who are close to breakdown, people who cant pay their mortgages.

they see ALL THIS SUFFERING which is very real to them and pervades their world and then they see the absolute MONUMENTAL ammount of outpouring of compassion (in words anyway ;)) from the politicians and the journalists and the army of hand wringers, and they say

wheres my share of your compassion.??

until this situation is rectified and some balance restored, assylum seekers will continue to get little sympathy out in voter heartland, and rightly so, they are certainly getting the lions share from the "compassion talkfest wanker brigade"

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:34pm: Abbott did not stop the Malaysian non-solution, the full bench of the High Court did. Don't blame Abbott for Labor's incompetence on this issue. They had the numbers in both houses to do as they pleased. The Rudd & Gillard governments failed spectacularly in this regard you really are delluded aren't you?

No, but you clearly are and have been for a long time. There's no hope for you - just give up.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 7:35am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:57pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:34pm: Abbott did not stop the Malaysian non-solution, the full bench of the High Court did. Don't blame Abbott for Labor's incompetence on this issue. They had the numbers in both houses to do as they pleased. The Rudd & Gillard governments failed spectacularly in this regard you really are delluded aren't you? No, but you clearly are and have been for a long time. There's no hope for you - just give up.

thanks for proving my point.  :D :D :D

Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:17pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:39pm: The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk. If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story. Don't care what color they are, a work ethic would be nice though, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole.  :D How many times do we have to go over that this is a blatant lie?

Probably until someone provides statistics that proves the dept. of immigration is wrong and they correct their survey  ;)

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:35am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:17pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:39pm: The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk. If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story. Don't care what color they are, a work ethic would be nice though, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole.  :D How many times do we have to go over that this is a blatant lie?  Probably until someone provides statistics that proves the dept. of immigration is wrong and they correct their survey  ;)

The statistic you are referring to says that 90% of them receive some kind of benefit within their first 5 years.  Not that they are on the dole for that long

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:57pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:19am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:54am: Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:45am: Yeah I'm sure the article clearly stating that Bob Carr was tlaking out his arse was clearly "some do-gooder backed by some Labor". Don't bother, sparky suffers the same disease as the rest of the loony conservatives and it prevents him from processing information properly. That's why you'll hear from him at times that it's about deaths at sea. But other times it's about stopping people smugglers.  But then it's because all asylum seekers arriving by boat are economic migrants?  And do you know how he knows this?  Because a people smuggler said once that they tell asylum seekers how to talk to our immigration department.  It's similar to you know, a footy team that's on top of the ladder no longer needing to train as otherwise they would be cheating.  Sparky just can't assess information and make logical conclusions.  But not his fault, it's the loony conservative disease. The truth is, for sparky any excuse will do.  Because it's not about deaths, or people smuggling, or economic migrants.  No,  it's not even about "queue jumping."  It's quite simply fear. And this fear means any excuse will do and any bit of news that may justify the fear by the slightest is above all else fact.  Quite sad, really. Yawn. The whole thing is a political football for the "progressives' as well. They're no different in this respect. For example, the deaths at sea are down and the boats have slowed. But you're all still whining about Abbott and Morrison. Yes because in the process of stopping the deaths Of country shoppers in a bid to stop people smuggling, wank and his right hand are continuing systematic abuse of Genuine asylum seekers for political gain. As a progressive my objective is clear.  I want my country to ensure people don't risk their lives via people smuggling not through deterring those people, but through 1) processing them and 2) helping end the conflicts. And I don't go out trying to find 101 reasons to keep the fear.  Like datalife, with his "critical" analysis.  Apparently if you get advice, help, "coaching" if you will, it instantly makes you a country shopper.  ;D. Same in any aspect of life.  Footballers are no longer footballers as they get coached.

Systematic abuse eh? Free food, free shelter, free clothes, free medical, with the prospect of living in Australia. Yep, sounds like your regular Auschwitz.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

Free food

That you have to queue for hours in the sun to get


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

free shelter

Crowded tent


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

free medical

Compeltetly inadequate as shown by numerous reports


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

with the prospect of living in Australia

Straight up lie

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 9:44am:

The statistic you are referring to says that 90% of them receive some kind of benefit within their first 5 years.  Not that they are on the dole for that long

The statistics I refer to say that after five years only 9% are in full time employment and thats because they are all a bunch of useless bludgers and layabouts that have come here to retire on centrelink and they are being ably assisted by the left to do just that because the left does not give a flying f#ck how many fake reffos come here to retire on centrelink.
If its bad for your country then it makes perfect sense to a lefty, its in the lefts DNA to sh#t in its own nest, its their lifes work. 

An interesting articlethat shows another side of this.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/the-navys-patrol-boat-fleet-is-over-worked-and-under-maintained-according-to-a-new-report/story-fnjbnxug-1226794610065

Vic wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:51am:

An interesting articlethat shows another side of this. http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/the-navys-patrol-boat-fleet-is-over-worked-and-under-maintained-according-to-a-new-report/story-fnjbnxug-1226794610065

What a mess!! Definitely not a good thing for a refugee boat going down if our Navy is under stress from being overloaded.

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:10am: Free food That you have to queue for hours in the sun to get Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:10am: free shelter Crowded tent Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:10am: free medical Compeltetly inadequate as shown by numerous reports Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:10am: with the prospect of living in Australia Straight up lie

Why is it a straight up lie? According to you numpty's, most of them are genuine refugees and most of them end up here.

Sparky wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

Vic wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:51am: An interesting articlethat shows another side of this. http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/the-navys-patrol-boat-fleet-is-over-worked-and-under-maintained-according-to-a-new-report/story-fnjbnxug-1226794610065 What a mess!! Definitely not a good thing for a refugee boat going down if our Navy is under stress from being overloaded.

Why has the Navy been overloaded? Because Rudd welcomed the people smugglers back with open arms!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

Sparky wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:59am: Vic wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 10:51am: An interesting articlethat shows another side of this. http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/the-navys-patrol-boat-fleet-is-over-worked-and-under-maintained-according-to-a-new-report/story-fnjbnxug-1226794610065 What a mess!! Definitely not a good thing for a refugee boat going down if our Navy is under stress from being overloaded. Why has the Navy been overloaded? Because Rudd welcomed the people smugglers back with open arms!

I agree.

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:39pm: The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk. If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story. Don't care what color they are, a work ethic would be nice though, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole.  :D

Actually, you do care what colour they are: you're a proven ignorant, xenophobic bigot.

And, the Department of Immigration says no such thing: you're a proven liar as well.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

Why is it a straight up lie?

Because YOU WILL NOT BE SETTLED IN AUSTRALIA

I was in Harris Park Sydney ( near  Parramatta) where the government dumps these refugees. It's absolute slum. The left bring them here and then don't even look after them properly. When their feel good moment ends it's out of mind and out of sight.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:39pm: The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk. If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story. Don't care what color they are, a work ethic would be nice though, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole.  :D Actually, you do care what colour they are: you're a proven ignorant, xenophobic bigot. And, the Department of Immigration says no such thing: you're a proven liar as well.

This is what happens when reality clashes with planet lefty fantasy land, someone ends up getting called a liar and a racist  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:19am: Innocent bystander wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 10:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:39pm: The conservatives would love that.  They hate the brown folk. If the people in boats were white and Christian though, well ... that's a different story. Don't care what color they are, a work ethic would be nice though, according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole.  :D Actually, you do care what colour they are: you're a proven ignorant, xenophobic bigot. And, the Department of Immigration says no such thing: you're a proven liar as well. This is what happens when reality clashes with planet lefty fantasy land, someone ends up getting called a liar and a racist  ;D

A liar and an ignorant, xenophobic bigot.  Yes.

" ... according to the dept of immigration almost all of them are on the dole ... " = fabricated bullshit.

This is what happens when reality clashes with fascism.  Liars and bigots end up being correctly labelled as liars and bigots.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 5:32am:

ian wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:35pm: The sri Lankans come here to work, no doubt the majority are economic migrants.i would prefer them anytime to the middle easterners with zero work ethic.We all know the arabs come here to breed kids and go on the dole. We know their women don't work because they arent allowed to. Ever get behind one of these arab people at an atm on dole payment day? Wait at least 5 minutes while they check any number of accounts to make sure their payments are in. We seem to know a lot and have little doubt.

I do my shopping in a high density reffo area. I observe what is around me. I have a lot of time for the African immigrants, despite their high crime rate I have noticed that they readily assimilate and appreciate their opportunity in this country. I see a lot of them male and female employed in the service occupations, supermarkets, security guards, fast food restaurants, etc. I have respect for people prepared to work hard to get somewhere. Cant say the same about middle easterners, their women don't work and appear to be little more than baby making machines and the males rarely have a legitimate occupation, you certainly rarely see them working in a service related role.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

This is what happens when reality clashes with fascism.  Liars and bigots end up being correctly labelled as liars and bigots.

I didn't know you were a fascist greg  ;D