A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. Jake Cassidy, 21, was pulled over on December 23 and accused of clocking 61km/h in a 60km/h zone. Mr Cassidy was driving a company car on a delivery and is not convinced he was 1km/h over. The police officer did not use a speed gun to catch Mr Cassidy but measured the speed by driving behind him.

"He told me I was speeding and I said I wasn't and it kind of went back and forth," he said. Mr Cassidy claimed that, during the argument, the officer told him the fine was a case of revenue raising.

Yesterday after being contacted by The Courier-Mail for comment, police said Mr Cassidy's fine was "being reviewed". Mr Cassidy then received a call from police telling him the fine had been cancelled and offering him an apology. Last night, police were unable to say what triggered the change but added officers would continue "scrutiny of all road users" to ensure safety of the public. "Kirwan police will continue to maintain vigilance towards road safety through the Christmas break and into the New Year," they said. "The circumstances around the issuing of this particular infringement notice have been reviewed and the decision to cancel the infringement has been approved by senior police."

Mr Cassidy said he was going to attend the police station to question the fine before he received the call. "They just said the officer was in the wrong and they were cancelling the ticket," he said. He said the apology made "a little bit" of difference, but he questioned whether the fine would have been waived had they not been contacted by The Courier-Mail. Mr Cassidy said he had lost his licence for speeding in 2012 and said the incident forced him to rethink his attitude.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/townsville-man-fined-146-for-doing-1kmh-over-speed-limit/story-fni0cx12-1226792211546


If you're stopped for doing 5km/h or more over the speed limit then sure, you should cop it on the chin. If you have an unblemished driving record, you might write to the SDRO (if in NSW) and you may get off with a caution. Do 10-15km/h over or more and you've got precious little in the way of excuses and no chance of a caution. But a mere 1km/h over? I don't know a single person who can perfectly maintain a speed without going over/under it a little bit, especially on downhill stretches of road. Doing 80km/h or more, yeah you can use your cruise control (if you have it) in many situations. But at 60km/h it's probably not safe and not practical as it's more than likely this speed zone is in a built-up area with more traffic stopping and starting than you'd see on a highway at 100km/h. I don't think this driver even deserved to be pulled over and let off with a caution. He should've been ignored by the Police Officer in my opinion as he doesn't seem to have been driving dangerously. Besides that, Police vehicles do not have calibrated speedometers, whereas your car and mine does. So how can a Police Officer accurately judge your speed by following you, even assuming that he/she is able to PRECISELY match your EXACT speed? I'd wager that an accurate (and legally enforceable) speed reading using this method would be nigh on impossible, hence the use of radar.

Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law?

i.e. not exceeding the speed limit?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit?

I'm pretty sure they have been when speed cameras were not working properly.

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? I'm pretty sure they have been when speed cameras not working properly.

Link?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit?

1km per hour over the speed limit Greg??

Thats the point.

This is revenue raising. Nothing more.

Speed cameras are supposed to be about road safety, not collecting cash on unsuspecting motorists.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? 1km per hour over the speed limit Greg?? Thats the point. This is revenue raising. Nothing more. Speed cameras are supposed to be about road safety, not collecting cash on unsuspecting motorists.

A speed limit is just that: a limit.

Don't go over the limit, and you won't be fined.

I can't see a problem.

"limit: a point or level beyond which something does not or may not extend or pass."

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? I'm pretty sure they have been when speed cameras not working properly. Link?

http://www.policespeedcameras.info/index.php/en/speed-camera-news-world-news-australia/australian-top-speed-camera-news-stories/victoria-speed-camera-news-stories-top-stories/364-victoria-speeding-fines-revoked-after-camera-fault.html
Now in that were all wrongly pinged fines revoked?

There's plenty for you to find with google if you feel the need.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1121730.htm

Google: australia speed camera found faulty

When you are travelling at a certain speed, the limit becomes a range in all normal places.

For example here in the UK, the speed limit is 70mph (112 km/hr) - but it is widely known and accepted that you will not get a ticket for anything under 77 mph (123 km/hr) because there can be a need to exceed the limit for safe driving purposes and to make allowances for that speed.

A limit is not a specific point in the speedometer at that kind of speed.

You can't fine someone for doing 71 on a 70 road, that's revenue raising.

Quote:

The police officer did not use a speed gun to catch Mr Cassidy but measured the speed by driving behind him.

That in itself tells me that the police officer was having a bad day. At least the police cancelled the ticket. End of story.

If you have an analog speedo, just try leaning forward slightly and see how much difference the changing parallax makes. I always use my GPS to give me a true speed because its more accurate than my speedo. 

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:35pm:

You can't fine someone for doing 71 on a 70 road, that's revenue raising.

Yes, you can.  It's breaking the law.

And, I have absolutely no problem with revenue raising.

What do you have against revenue?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:35pm: You can't fine someone for doing 71 on a 70 road, that's revenue raising. Yes, you can.  It's breaking the law. And, I have absolutely no problem with revenue raising. What do you have against revenue?

Nothing against revenue, it's how fairly it's gained. 1k over is pretty unfair, that's coming from someone who has had only 3 speeding tickets in their driving life and not even a parking ticket in 25 years. If you wanted the revenue to be fairly raised you would also base fines on income, not statutory amounts.

Edit: I've never had a parking ticket, BTW and it's probably more like 30 years since my last speeding ticket.

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:35pm: You can't fine someone for doing 71 on a 70 road, that's revenue raising. Yes, you can.  It's breaking the law. And, I have absolutely no problem with revenue raising. What do you have against revenue? Nothing against revenue, it's how fairly it's gained.

They only take it from people who break the law.

Sounds fair to me.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:35pm: You can't fine someone for doing 71 on a 70 road, that's revenue raising. Yes, you can.  It's breaking the law. And, I have absolutely no problem with revenue raising. What do you have against revenue? Nothing against revenue, it's how fairly it's gained. They only take it from people who break the law. Sounds fair to me.

I didn't take you for one that takes such a black and white view of the world Mr Peccary. That's tea party style. There's a word that comes in handy here, reasonable. If the person could reasonably presume they were doing 60, they should be treated as such. It's not as if 1k makes any difference IRL. We are supposed to be rational beings and should attempt to be reasonable beings also.

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:43pm:

Nothing against revenue, it's how fairly it's gained. 1k over is pretty unfair ...

1k over is breaking the law.

It's going over the limit.

You'd be happy with a murderer who stabbed someone 14 times being charged, but not with someone who only stabbed their victim once?  It was only one stab over the limit.

Just be thankfull they don't hand out fines for being a f#ckin wanker peccary, you'd be broke within a week.  ::)

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:59pm:

Just be thankfull they don't hand out fines for being a f#ckin wanker peccary, you'd be broke within a week.  ::)

If obeying the law makes one a "f#ckin wanker", I'm guilty as charged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_djkPMdSMw

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:43pm: Nothing against revenue, it's how fairly it's gained. 1k over is pretty unfair ... 1k over is breaking the law. It's going over the limit. You'd be happy with a murderer who stabbed someone 14 times being charged, but not with someone who only stabbed their victim once?  It was only one stab over the limit.

Good that you brought that up, I was just running through a few law analogies and came up with "should driving at 60 be attempted speeding?" If you attempt to kill someone it Attempted Murder, if you murder someone with 1 thrust rather that 61 would that be better? Luckily there is no stab limit to compare it to, it would be ridiculous and it's an ever so bad analogy. Going 61 is no more likely to kill someone than going 60.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:10pm:

A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit.

This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION"

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? 1km per hour over the speed limit Greg?? Thats the point. This is revenue raising. Nothing more. Speed cameras are supposed to be about road safety, not collecting cash on unsuspecting motorists. A speed limit is just that: a limit. Don't go over the limit, and you won't be fined. I can't see a problem. "limit: a point or level beyond which something does not or may not extend or pass."

Can you tell me in all honesty that you never ever exceed the speed limit even for a matter of seconds? Of course you can't - no one can!

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION"

Dont be so ridiculous.

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Going 61 is no more likely to kill someone than going 60.

It's against the law though.

Break the law, and you get charged/fined.

Understand?

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:59pm:

Just be thankfull they don't hand out fines for being a f#ckin wanker peccary, you'd be broke within a week.  ::)

  ;D ;D Got that in one ;D

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION"

That's why I haven't had a speeding ticket in 30 years.. I drive everywhere at 40Kmh. I makes it much safer not to go anywhere near the limit, all the road ragers out there don't agree but I know it a limit and I stay away from it.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:07pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:06pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION" Dont be so ridiculous.

Buzz can't help it - it's Buzz's default state of mind...

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION"

Exactly.

People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:11pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:06pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION" Exactly. People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means.

If it's a limit, why can you get busted for going too slow? Surely it's a limit and we know what a limit is so how can this be?

I have to say that although the letter of the law states that there is a limit to the speed you drive in any given area where the limit is specified, and if you exceed it you are breaking the law, usually, and providing there are no other indiscretions, Officers may use discretion in reporting you (giving you a ticket). 1k over is usually not acted upon.

If a camera, then it is at the decretion of the senior Officer.

As an ex cop, although not traffic, I'd have to say 1k over is a case of there but for the grace of god go I, and scratch any report.

some of us have lives where we need to get to places at a slightly higher pace than a horse and cart. 

I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day.

ian wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:17pm:

I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day.

Yes, and if they get caught they have to face the consequences.

ian wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:17pm:

I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day.

Even all them people laid up in Hospital in traction? :'(

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:07pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:06pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION" Dont be so ridiculous. Buzz can't help it - it's Buzz's default state of mind...

Buzz is an avowed supporter of a nanny state though.
They love to tell me how to behave and what they must do.

My parents noted on a recent visit to Australia how different it is now to when they lived there

"Don't do this, don't do that"
"You can't bet in-game"
"You can't park facing traffic"
"You MUST drive at 40 kmhr..."


Australia. Nanny state.
Thanks to the champagne socialists like our man in Daylesford here.

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:21pm:

ian wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:17pm: I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day. Even all them people laid up in Hospital in traction? :'(

They shouldn't have been speeding.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:21pm: ian wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:17pm: I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day. Even all them people laid up in Hospital in traction? :'( They shouldn't have been speeding.

Sorry to be pedant, but his claim wasn't limited to speeding. Maybe they murdered a nurse with a kick of their cast.

What peckerhead doesn't realise is once they start getting as trivial as this there is absolutely no one around that can't be fined for something, I heard that one person got fined for not having water in their window washer tank, imagine if Peckerhead had just gone through some muddy road works and used up all his water washing his windscreen and before he could get home and fill it up again the police pulled him over and fined him for having no water in his window washing tank, you could you just imagine the twat apologising to the officer on the side of the road and thanking him for the fine couldn't you  ;D

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:06pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION" That's why I haven't had a speeding ticket in 30 years.. I drive everywhere at 40Kmh. I makes it much safer not to go anywhere near the limit, all the road ragers out there don't agree but I know it a limit and I stay away from it.

I'VE never had one EITHER
My FATHER'S had ONE - in nearly SEVENTY years of driving
But I have a BROTHER, that is ALWAYS running a fine line of demerit points - ALWAYS one point away from licence suspension

You can share the load around on the demerit points or have overseas licence holders take the points - Australia cannot put points on a foreign designated driver.

I have had a total of 10 points unable to be put on my license by the state of Victoria because it wasn't Australian.

You just need to play the rulebook a little.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:10pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:07pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:06pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION" Dont be so ridiculous. Buzz can't help it - it's Buzz's default state of mind... Buzz is an avowed supporter of a nanny state though. They love to tell me how to behave and what they must do. Australia. Nanny state. Thanks to the champagne socialists like our man in Daylesford here.

Having our LAW ENFORCEMENT authorities stopping people from KILLING themselves - or more importantly KILLING OTHER AUSTRALIANS - is hardly a question of being a "nanny state"

Fining a guy for travelling 1 km/hr over the speed limit is stopping people killing themselves is it?

Yeah sure, of course it is Buzz.

Mere revenue raising .... if he caught him with a radar you might have an argument, but to get him for 1km over based on what the cops speedo was saying? ridiculous ... the cop should be reprimanded for wasting everyones time.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:11pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:06pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:10pm: A Townsville man has copped a $146 fine for driving 1km/h over the speed limit. This is a reminder of WHY it is called a "LIMIT" - and not a "SERVING SUGGESTION" Exactly. People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means.

Yes they do. It all comes down to Central Limit Theorem.

First of all, it is the responsibility of all drivers to calibrate their speedometers.

Quote:

However from 1 July 2006, newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03. Also, from 1 July 2007 any newly manufactured vehicle (excluding mopeds) must comply with this rule. This new rule requires that the speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h. Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read 'safe', meaning that the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo. That is, at a true vehicle speed of 100km/h the speedo must read between 100km/h and 114km/h. An alternative way to look at it is; at an indicated speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h. Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read ‘safe’, meaning that they are not permitted to read lower than the actual speed of the vehicle.

This of course assumes that your seat is adjustd properly to allow a properly adjusted speedometer for parallax and that you have recalibrated the speedo if you have changed the type of tyres on your vehicle.

Interestingly enough, I find that my car overestimates the speed, which is why I rely on the GPS. The GPS shows the reading to the nearest 1 km/hr (which means that the standard error is +/- 2 km/hr.  For a properly calibrated analog speedometer with the original tyres fitted (no wear), seat adjusted correctly etc, the standard error is typically double that.
http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_advice/car_fact_sheets/speedo_accuracy

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:20pm:

ian wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:17pm: I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day. Yes, and if they get caught they have to face the consequences.

You would be the first to start bleating  if you got fined for every minor transgression you made. No one is a perfect driver, the fact is that speed is an easy revenue raiser, fining motorists for other offences which are committed constantly isn't. And fining someone for driving on a freeway going a few k's over the limit doesn't make one iota of difference to the road toll or road safety in general. If it really was about road safety the radars would be random, suburban streets, etc., not placed where they pick up the greatest amount of motorists in the shortest time. and this idiot copper wasting everyones time for what he says is 1 k over the limit should be out doing his job where it really counts.

ian wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:20pm: ian wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:17pm: I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day. Yes, and if they get caught they have to face the consequences. You would be the first to start bleating  if you got fined for every minor transgression you made. No one is a perfect driver, the fact is that speed is an easy revenue raiser, fining motorists for other offences which are committed constantly isn't. And fining someone for driving on a freeway going a few k's over the limit doesn't make one iota of difference to the road toll or road safety in general. If it really was about road safety the radars would be random, suburban streets, etc., not placed where they pick up the greatest amount of motorists in the shortest time. and this idiot copper wasting everyones time for what he says is 1 k over the limit should be out doing his job where it really counts.

Yep http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/thumb.gif

Meanwhile Peckerhead is recuperating in intensive care after getting yet another belting while defending his idiocy on Ozpolitics ...






http://multiglom.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/disorderly03.jpg

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Fining a guy for travelling 1 km/hr over the speed limit is stopping people killing themselves is it? Yeah sure, of course it is Buzz.

As we say to EVERY political, cultural and ECONOMIMC REFUGEE ....


If you CAN'T abide by the rules of our country ...






bugger OFF

We're FULLi

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:45pm:

You can share the load around on the demerit points or have overseas licence holders take the points - Australia cannot put points on a foreign designated driver. I have had a total of 10 points unable to be put on my license by the state of Victoria because it wasn't Australian. You just need to play the rulebook a little.

Thinking of making a new freelance movie, "Drifting in the Dandenongs". We could use you.. Well not you, but... you know. We'll give you credits and a percentage of the takes.. What kind of car would you like to be seen in? 8-)

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:58pm: Fining a guy for travelling 1 km/hr over the speed limit is stopping people killing themselves is it? Yeah sure, of course it is Buzz. As we say to EVERY political, cultural and ECONOMIMC REFUGEE .... If you CAN'T abide by the rules of our country ... bugger OFF We're FULL

i







F#ckhead!

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:58pm: Fining a guy for travelling 1 km/hr over the speed limit is stopping people killing themselves is it? Yeah sure, of course it is Buzz. As we say to EVERY political, cultural and ECONOMIMC REFUGEE .... If you CAN'T abide by the rules of our country ... bugger OFF We're FULL

When your argument is shot to sh1t Buzz, you are best off not replying.
Or have we had a few too many Gin and Tonics now?
I know it's getting close to new year there...

Well - you did say Townsville.... and jeez - a cop following and then pulling someone over for 1 km over the limit is insane.

It would appear that the cop concerned - and not for the first time - had a 'problem' with the accused.

It's called, officially, 'pro-active policing'!  Get 'em BEFORE they do something wrong and they will then be ripe for punishment and then suffer more IF we ever catch them for a REAL offence!

Give 'em a ' record' and then when they say - "Yer 'Onnah!  These guys beat me up!  I never laid a hand on 'em!"  - the Guv says ye must be a bastard since they copped you once doing 1 km over the limit....

I can see it now - young c*nt, smart-arse, 'I know you lad!' attitude... easy money when the driver is a young male - the most vilified demographic because fifteen or so a year have major accidents.... guilt by accusation - next time he's pissed off at being treated like a scum or a (gasps) Black - and it's a 'criminal offence' of 'resisting arrest' or 'assaulting police'.

Just a story of a brave cop saving the world - protecting the Australian universe from the scum of the universe - by ensuring that this young and obviously out-of-control irresponsible prick is taken off the roads for the good of society!

Ahhhh - the Thin Blue Line - maybe the Thick Blue Line sometimes!

BEHOLD THE FUTURE FOR US ALL!

(once you've seen and/or been through the Stargate - nothing is as it seems, and all is possible)..

ian wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:20pm: ian wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:17pm: I can guarantee everyone breaks the law in some way every single day. Yes, and if they get caught they have to face the consequences. You would be the first to start bleating  if you got fined for every minor transgression you made. No one is a perfect driver, the fact is that speed is an easy revenue raiser, fining motorists for other offences which are committed constantly isn't. And fining someone for driving on a freeway going a few k's over the limit doesn't make one iota of difference to the road toll or road safety in general. If it really was about road safety the radars would be random, suburban streets, etc., not placed where they pick up the greatest amount of motorists in the shortest time. and this idiot copper wasting everyones time for what he says is 1 k over the limit should be out doing his job where it really counts.

Well, that's all different now, to be doing a job where it really counts....these newly recruited policemen and policewomen are told to ignore any street problems, such as a someone drunk in the gutter or needing help, because there is no money in that......

So much for "serve and protect"  :(

Same mentality for parking inspectors....they have a criteria to meet and the pressure is on. There was one that left the job and told it like it was to a current affair programme.
And they hope to fine a few 'unsuspecting' young, old or maybe those that are not very good with english.

Here is a sucess story for ya's.
My daughter used to work in the city, in a night club, then would park her car in a proper car park, where it is private, with no signage of any such restrictions for parking.

When she knocked off from work one early morning about 2am....lo and behold, she had a parking ticket on her windscreen!

She took photos of the parking lot and her car, and went to refute the ticket. How ridiculous, and 1 km over the limit, what a waste of tax payers money being so petty and nit picking. No common sense in this situation at all!

And quite honestly, I don't consider myself a law breaker and do obey the speed restriction signs, to the best of my ability. I can't be continually taking my eyes off the road to see what the speedomoter is doing, that would be as bad as reading text messages on the mobile phone.

Where I live, is hilly terrain, and very difficult to keep a constant say, 60 or 70 kph.

We have some stretches of well made roads that are safe, (green wedge areas between townships) and have never had any black spot accidents, never, yet, the speed limit has been lowered from 70 to 60 kph.
Why????
It's the questionable thing that's on all the local's minds.

I queston the motives for that.

Hear.. HEAR!

Lols - remember that your local and State government are 'doing it tough' and they NEED your money and your daughter's money for nothing.

Fer god's sake -- they (and Tony and co) have a BUDGET to meet! Have a little consideration!!

Just man up and pay your taxes, legit or not!

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 10:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:45pm: You can share the load around on the demerit points or have overseas licence holders take the points - Australia cannot put points on a foreign designated driver. I have had a total of 10 points unable to be put on my license by the state of Victoria because it wasn't Australian. You just need to play the rulebook a little. Thinking of making a new freelance movie, "Drifting in the Dandenongs". We could use you.. Well not you, but... you know. We'll give you credits and a percentage of the takes.. What kind of car would you like to be seen in? 8-)

Mah man!  You have just GOT to do that movie and make it a Mean Streets of Dandenong or whatever, point out all the REAL problems, and cover all the social issues....

YOU CAN DO IT!

Can I play it at my Film Festival here? I'm serious....

Sophia wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:20pm:

We have some stretches of well made roads that are safe, (green wedge areas between townships) and have never had any black spot accidents, never, yet, the speed limit has been lowered from 70 to 60 kph. Why???? It's the questionable thing that's on all the local's minds. I queston the motives for that.

There are road safety "experts" in the government that are getting paid $3000 a week to provide road safety, they have finally run out of ideas and implementing idiotic speed limits on open roads is all they have left unfortunately,  the gooberment doesn't care as they will just line the road with speed revenue cameras and cash in.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 10:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:45pm: You can share the load around on the demerit points or have overseas licence holders take the points - Australia cannot put points on a foreign designated driver. I have had a total of 10 points unable to be put on my license by the state of Victoria because it wasn't Australian. You just need to play the rulebook a little. Thinking of making a new freelance movie, "Drifting in the Dandenongs". We could use you.. Well not you, but... you know. We'll give you credits and a percentage of the takes.. What kind of car would you like to be seen in? 8-) Mah man!  You have just GOT to do that movie and make it a Mean Streets of Dandenong or whatever, point out all the REAL problems, and cover all the social issues.... YOU CAN DO IT! Can I play it at my Film Festival here? I'm serious....

You can help me make it if we can get Andrei to to give us his details and the foreign license we can pin it on.

"Drifting in the Dandenongs"...pmsl  ;D

we could do with some more titles to suit the movie for the film festival...(since I live virtaully in the Dandenongs)....

"Road raging in the Yarra Ranges"  ;D
or...
"Burning rubber in the back roads"
or...
"Treading tyers through townships"
or any other hillbilly thing you can think of!  ;D

Sophia wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:54pm:

"Drifting in the Dandenongs"...pmsl  ;D we could do with some more titles to suit the movie for the film festival...(since I live virtaully in the Dandenongs).... "Road raging in the Yarra Ranges"  ;D or... "Burning rubber in the back roads" or... "Treading tyers through townships" or any other hillbilly thing you can think of!  ;D

Oi.. My idea, I'm naming it at least.. ;D
Now all we need is Andrei, will he be a boor? :-?

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 11:40pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 11:29pm: Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 10:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:45pm: You can share the load around on the demerit points or have overseas licence holders take the points - Australia cannot put points on a foreign designated driver. I have had a total of 10 points unable to be put on my license by the state of Victoria because it wasn't Australian. You just need to play the rulebook a little. Thinking of making a new freelance movie, "Drifting in the Dandenongs". We could use you.. Well not you, but... you know. We'll give you credits and a percentage of the takes.. What kind of car would you like to be seen in? 8-) Mah man!  You have just GOT to do that movie and make it a Mean Streets of Dandenong or whatever, point out all the REAL problems, and cover all the social issues.... YOU CAN DO IT! Can I play it at my Film Festival here? I'm serious.... You can help me make it if we can get Andrei to to give us his details and the foreign license we can pin it on.

Ummm- yes - the 'foreign licence' thing...

Starting with the very real plight of the local lad/lass in dealing with the 'forces of law' and all that entails... the background (sort of the Deer Hunter steel mill always in the background) is the endemic poverty and despair and desperation....

Damn - leads to kids being killed - tiny kids -- no names but you know what I mean.. (Jayden Leskie.. fer chris'sake)...

that's the background..

Then you have the rorter - the man with a 'roof' of 'mafia cover' (sort of like  Dog Day Afternoon - where Al Pacino tells Sam he has 'maf cover' for a job (wait for it) when they 'do' a bank that was run by a *gasps* woman who rejected Al for a job when he was qualified before she was).....

(yaaarg - HELLO!)...

Ya gotta establish the background with images - then put your characters to work making something out of it... and the end result MUST be a Greek tragedy....

No matter how much the characters try, try, try... they lose.... and the final solution is a devastation for all - plus the society in which they live.....

Taxi Driver.. .. I'm workin' long hours now.....

How can you relate that to 'A Cold day In Dandenong'?  Or whatever you wish to call it...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 12:01am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 11:40pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 11:29pm: Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 10:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:45pm: You can share the load around on the demerit points or have overseas licence holders take the points - Australia cannot put points on a foreign designated driver. I have had a total of 10 points unable to be put on my license by the state of Victoria because it wasn't Australian. You just need to play the rulebook a little. Thinking of making a new freelance movie, "Drifting in the Dandenongs". We could use you.. Well not you, but... you know. We'll give you credits and a percentage of the takes.. What kind of car would you like to be seen in? 8-) Mah man!  You have just GOT to do that movie and make it a Mean Streets of Dandenong or whatever, point out all the REAL problems, and cover all the social issues.... YOU CAN DO IT! Can I play it at my Film Festival here? I'm serious.... You can help me make it if we can get Andrei to to give us his details and the foreign license we can pin it on. Ummm- yes - the 'foreign licence' thing... Starting with the very real plight of the local lad/lass in dealing with the 'forces of law' and all that entails... the background (sort of the Deer Hunter steel mill always in the background) is the endemic poverty and despair and desperation.... Damn - leads to kids being killed - tiny kids -- no names but you know what I mean.. (Jayden Leskie.. fer chris'sake)... that's the background.. Then you have the rorter - the man with a 'roof' of 'mafia cover' (sort of like  Dog Day Afternoon - where Al Pacino tells Sam he has 'maf cover' for a job (wait for it) when they 'do' a bank that was run by a *gasps* woman who rejected Al for a job when he was qualified before she was)..... (yaaarg - HELLO!)... Ya gotta establish the background with images - then put your characters to work making something out of it... and the end result MUST be a Greek tragedy.... No matter how much the characters try, try, try... they lose.... and the final solution is a devastation for all - plus the society in which they live..... Taxi Driver.. .. I'm workin' long hours now..... How can you relate that to 'A Cold day In Dandenong'?  Or whatever you wish to call it...

I was thinking more the uppercrust business owners son, doing the run from the wealth he had been taught was his birthright and the only thing that mattered was money. A Bhudda like transformation, involving skids in the Dandenongs.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 9:11pm:

Exactly. People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means.

Hey Greg - They're only 95-100% sure that a given motorist is speeding. So the science isn't settled. It's just a theory.

It's actually part of a global conspiracy by police to slow down our economic recovery.

If you break down the motion into infinitesimally small segments until you get to the Planck length (1.616199(97)×10^−35 metres), you can't measure position and momentum at the same time anyway.

How can we be sure that time progresses at a constant rate anyway? I mean so far nobody has found any evidence for such variation, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

It could also have been a gravitational anomaly that caused the car to appear to be moving slightly faster from the frame of reference of the policeman.

The science is not settled. It's just a theory.

The police force management should be compelled to resign over this incident. Clearly officers are being pressed to increase revenue and maybe they are getting a bonus for incriminating innocent civilians.

This is corruption!

Setanta wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 12:15am:

I was thinking more the uppercrust business owners son, doing the run from the wealth he had been taught was his birthright and the only thing that mattered was money. A Bhudda like transformation, involving skids in the Dandenongs.

OOOh!  Sort of Slumdog Ex-Millionaire?

Must be a deep social allegory in there... ya gotta work out the 'spine' of the idea - what does it all hang on... and then work your scenes and characters into that.. gotta have conflict and gotta have a serious change in your characters...

Don't forget Hanging at Picnic Rock Cafe With The Boyz and stuff...

Does he meet a dream girl with a yob accent and a bogan taste in clothing and men with two kids with six dads,and find true love?  Then she dies of a tequila overdose or something?

Saturday Night Greaser.. the only way out of this slumhole is finding something you're good at, like poncing around on the dance floor.. just drift away on the wings of music and dance... for a few hours...  What is there in the Dandenongs that fits there?

(ah-hu, ah-huk.. we got tha Sat'dee Night car drags on th' ol' highway... young man can find himself in that)...

muso wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 1:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:11pm: Exactly. People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means. Hey Greg - They're only 95-100% sure that a given motorist is speeding. So the science isn't settled. It's just a theory.

And that's why they get their chance to argue their case in court.

One of the reasons people speed is because the roads are so badly planned. Especially in Sydney where I live. Spend 2 hours to travel 40 kms and you don't get the most patient of drivers. You'll spend when you want to get home.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:29pm:

muso wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 1:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:11pm: Exactly. People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means. Hey Greg - They're only 95-100% sure that a given motorist is speeding. So the science isn't settled. It's just a theory. And that's why they get their chance to argue their case in court.

Even the police realised it was nothing more than grubby grab for cash and recinded the ticket, pity you're not as rational and intellegent as they are.


Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety, only a moron would try to argue different.

No doubt you'll give it a go, but.

Sparky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:33pm:

One of the reasons people speed is because the roads are so badly planned. Especially in Sydney where I live. Spend 2 hours to travel 40 kms and you don't get the most patient of drivers. You'll spend when you want to get home.

Yep, there are lots of reasons (excuses).

It's still against the law though.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 3:52pm:

The police force management should be compelled to resign over this incident. Clearly officers are being pressed to increase revenue and maybe they are getting a bonus for incriminating innocent civilians. This is corruption!

The vilest form of corruption is the way the 'courts' allow, condone, support, promote and applaud just this sort of behaviour.

Why was it again that with every successful revolution the first to the wall are politicians, judges and police and abusive public servants and rich guys?

http://www.policeprep.com.au/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Sparky wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:33pm: One of the reasons people speed is because the roads are so badly planned. Especially in Sydney where I live. Spend 2 hours to travel 40 kms and you don't get the most patient of drivers. You'll spend when you want to get home. Yep, there are lots of reasons (excuses). It's still against the law though.

I always had you pegged as a system loving conservative.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ...

Agreed.

So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers?

Sparky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Sparky wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:33pm: One of the reasons people speed is because the roads are so badly planned. Especially in Sydney where I live. Spend 2 hours to travel 40 kms and you don't get the most patient of drivers. You'll spend when you want to get home. Yep, there are lots of reasons (excuses). It's still against the law though. I always had you pegged as a system loving conservative.

I always had you pegged as a criminal.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31^st, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit?

I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone, even though he was 150 meters beyond the school zone where he pulled me over. His deposition was damning enough -- strong words for a speeding fine -- to warrant a cancellation of the fine. He didn't produce evidence of myself being caught speeding, he didn't show me the radar gun (minor point), he showed photographs of where he took the radar reading from (clearly showing the 60 sign in the distance), etc. I contacted the police station to confirm whether the police can take measurements for speeding outside the speed zone. They weren't interested in concerning themselves giving an answer.

The judge just took note of my admission to being the driver of the vehicle who received the fine -- found me guilty based on that. Increased my fine by $100, and made me pay added court costs. Just about doubled my fine for doing the speed limit.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone ...

In that case, you were fined for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ... Agreed. So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers?

Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets.


If they fined stupidity, you would be broke in a week.



BTW Im more than happy to break these stupid laws, the QLD government doesn't bother to provide enough tax collectors to bother us too much.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:45pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ... Agreed. So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers? Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets.

Stinging motorists who break the law.

Why do you have such an affinity with criminals?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:45pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ... Agreed. So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers? Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets. Stinging motorists who break the law. Why do you have such an affinity with criminals?

Make enough laws and soon enough everyone will be a criminal. See, inttellegent people know the difference between just laws and unjust laws, you don't, but the rest of us do. This is why you thing everyong who does 1 k over the limit is a 'criminal'.



Just never pegged you for a goverment yes boy, but there you go.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:58pm:

See, inttellegent people know the difference between just laws and unjust laws, you don't, but the rest of us do.

Hmmm.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm: See, inttellegent people know the difference between just laws and unjust laws, you don't, but the rest of us do. Hmmm.

Yes, you linger on that typo, really think long and hard on what my typo really means about me as a person.



;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:00pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:58pm: See, inttellegent people know the difference between just laws and unjust laws, you don't, but the rest of us do. Hmmm. Yes, you linger on that typo, really think long and hard on what my typo really means about me as a person.

No need to think too long, or hard.

We've all got a pretty good idea.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:53pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:45pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ... Agreed. So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers? Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets. Stinging motorists who break the law. Why do you have such an affinity with criminals?

First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals".  Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label.

So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone ... In that case, you were fined for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it.

... wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:53pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:45pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ... Agreed. So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers? Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets. Stinging motorists who break the law. Why do you have such an affinity with criminals? First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals".  Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label. So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other?

No, Honky.  Not at all.

You've put 2 and 2 together, but have come up with 22.

Speeding motorists (for the most part) aren't members of outlaw gangs involved in organised crime.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:50pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone ... In that case, you were fined for doing 56 in a 40 zone. No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it.

You said: "Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone".

School zones are 40 kph.

Therefore, the officer would have booked you for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:10pm:

... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:53pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:45pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ... Agreed. So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers? Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets. Stinging motorists who break the law. Why do you have such an affinity with criminals? First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals".  Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label. So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other? No, Honky.  Not at all. You've put 2 and 2 together, but have come up with 22. Speeding motorists (for the most part) aren't members of outlaw gangs involved in organised crime.

What if they were speeding in an organised manner?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVFYMpWwn4

... wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:10pm: ... wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:53pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:45pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:42pm: Low  level speeding fines are nothing more than state government cash cows to fill government coffers and nothing at all to do with road safety ... Agreed. So, what do you have against government coffers being topped up by lawbreakers? Only you would justify a government making laws for the sole purpose of stinging motorist to line their own pockets. Stinging motorists who break the law. Why do you have such an affinity with criminals? First you suppiort bikies being arrested for meeting at the pub on the grounds that they are "criminals".  Now, people going 1km/h over the speed limit are slapped with the same label. So to put 2 and 2 together, are you advocating anyone with a speeding fine be banned from associating with each other? No, Honky.  Not at all. You've put 2 and 2 together, but have come up with 22. Speeding motorists (for the most part) aren't members of outlaw gangs involved in organised crime. What if they were speeding in an organised manner? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVFYMpWwn4

Now we're talkin'!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 4:29pm:

muso wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 1:09am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:11pm: Exactly. People just don't seem to understand what the word "limit" means. Hey Greg - They're only 95-100% sure that a given motorist is speeding. So the science isn't settled. It's just a theory. And that's why they get their chance to argue their case in court.

Typical speedist response.  :P

If an abbo got fined doing 1 k over and did half his dole cheque Ggreggorry would be up in arms. He loves the idea of poor hardworking aussies getting done.

*No speedo is accurate to within 1km. Even if your speedo says 60 it could be 58, it could be 62, etc.
*Even if the speedometer is 100% spot on tyre pressures and wear can change it. So even if it is 100% correct, it would only be in optimal situations and not the real world.
*It is practically impossible to keep exactly at the right speed. For one you have to have your eyes on the road most of the time, and therefore you can't just sit there looking at the speedo the entire trip. Secondly depending on your angle of view your speed can change by a few kms making it hard to know exactly how fast you are actually going. Add to the fact that on most cars there is only a few mm between 60kph and 70kph on most speedometers and again it is nearly impossible to tell the difference between 61 and 60kph. Lastly, just a change of gear, a sudden tail wind, or a slight change in gradient can cause the car to speed up by 1kph in a second. How could anyone reasonably keep track of a 1kph change in speed? 

Now take all that and remember that the same applies to the police car as well, plus he has to know for fact that he is matching the car in front perfectly. Perfectly! Just because he is doing 61 doesn't mean the car in front is doing over 60. 1kph is only 27cm per second. It is not that easy to keep one eye on the speedo and know for a fact that you are doing 61kph, as well as knowing that you are not slowly creeping up to the car in front as little as 1/4 a meter per second. Not unless you were dangerously close to the car in front in the first place...

There is simply way to much doubt to prove this person was actually breaking the law. Trust the peccerhead to ignore that simple fact and try to stick to the law is the law type argument and not consider that the person fined may not have been breaking the law in the first place.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:12pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 5:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:50pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1st, 2014 at 4:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:21pm: Has anyone been fined for not breaking the law? i.e. not exceeding the speed limit? I was fined for doing 56 in a 60 zone. Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone ... In that case, you were fined for doing 56 in a 40 zone. No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it. You said: "Officer claimed that I was driving in a school zone". School zones are 40 kph. Therefore, the officer would have booked you for doing 56 in a 40 zone.

And that's the point of contention. I claimed that I was outside a school zone, based on the fact that I had passed a 60kmh sign. That allowed me to speed up to 56kmh and still be within the speed limit. An officer claiming that the speed reading was inside a 40kmh zone, when he showed pictures that were deemed otherwise, meant that I shouldn't have received the infringement notice.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 5:09pm:

No, it definitely was a 60 zone. Judge didn't care, though. He just fluffed over it.

That doesn't surprise me one iota.

Quantum wrote on Jan 1^st, 2014 at 7:04pm:

*No speedo is accurate to within 1km. Even if your speedo says 60 it could be 58, it could be 62, etc. *Even if the speedometer is 100% spot on tyre pressures and wear can change it. So even if it is 100% correct, it would only be in optimal situations and not the real world. *It is practically impossible to keep exactly at the right speed. For one you have to have your eyes on the road most of the time, and therefore you can't just sit there looking at the speedo the entire trip. Secondly depending on your angle of view your speed can change by a few kms making it hard to know exactly how fast you are actually going. Add to the fact that on most cars there is only a few mm between 60kph and 70kph on most speedometers and again it is nearly impossible to tell the difference between 61 and 60kph. Lastly, just a change of gear, a sudden tail wind, or a slight change in gradient can cause the car to speed up by 1kph in a second. How could anyone reasonably keep track of a 1kph change in speed?  Now take all that and remember that the same applies to the police car as well, plus he has to know for fact that he is matching the car in front perfectly. Perfectly! Just because he is doing 61 doesn't mean the car in front is doing over 60. 1kph is only 27cm per second. It is not that easy to keep one eye on the speedo and know for a fact that you are doing 61kph, as well as knowing that you are not slowly creeping up to the car in front as little as 1/4 a meter per second. Not unless you were dangerously close to the car in front in the first place... There is simply way to much doubt to prove this person was actually breaking the law. Trust the peccerhead to ignore that simple fact and try to stick to the law is the law type argument and not consider that the person fined may not have been breaking the law in the first place.

Good post.