GP fee would 'clog up' hospitals: Labor

Date
    December 29, 2013


Labor says a $5 fee for bulk-billed GP visits would put extra pressure on the public health system by clogging up hospital emergency departments, labelling the idea a "tax on taking your sick child to the doctor".   :(

The federal government has refused to "speculate" about a proposal to make patients pay the fee after a national Commission of Audit received a proposal for a co-payment scheme for GP consultations.

But doctor groups have criticised such a move, claiming it would destroy Medicare and limit access to GPs for some community groups.

Speaking on Sunday, acting opposition leader Penny Wong said a "real problem" with the approach was that it risked "clogging up our emergency departments in our public hospital system".      :(


"What we don't need is a new tax on taking your family to the doctor and what we don't need is more pressure on our public hospital system," senator Wong said in Adelaide.    

She said the idea represented "another broken promise from this Prime Minister".      >:(

"He (Tony Abbott) said no new taxes and now today we've got a tax on sick children going to the doctor."

News Corp Australia reports co-payments would see patients pay a fee for bulk-billed GP consultations, with pensioners and concession card holders exempt from the fee.

Families would also be granted up to 12 bulk-billed visits annually.

Federal Health Minister Peter Dutton said he would not comment on "speculation around what the Commission of Audit may or may not recommend".

"The commission's work is still being compiled and will be provided to the government in 2014," he said in a statement.

"The government will be able to consider any recommendations and respond after that time."

Mr Dutton said the government had committed to making sure the health system was sustainable and accessible in the future.

Acting Greens leader Senator Richard Di Natale said on Sunday it was a step towards a two-tiered US-style health system and away from universal healthcare.

Dr Con Costa, of the Doctors' Reform Society, said a GP fee would make emergency departments busier.   :(

"Introducing a $5 co-payment is false cost-savings," he said in a statement.    

Australian Medical Association (AMA) president Dr Steve Hambleton said the majority of visits to the GP were very "reasonable and helpful" with only a minority causing doctors to ask why they came.

A co-payment scheme was introduced under the Hawke government in the 1990s but was scrapped.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gp-fee-would-clog-up-hospitals-labor-20131229-301o0.html#ixzz2otXkvhhM

Well said Penny Wong.  Yes you must try and put a stop to this new tax.   :(      

What we didn't need, Penny, was an incompetent Treasurer spending our money like a drunken sailor and borrowing as if he had an unlimited credit limit. What we didn't need, Penny, was an incompetent & sexist PM introducing a carbon tax without a mandate and scaring off investment in this country and killing off the auto industry. What we didn't need, Penny, was a PM to play populist politics that would lead to more than 1,000 people dying at sea and the cost of securing our northern borders blowing out to nearly $2bn per year. What we didn't need, Penny, was six years of Labor waste, incompetence, in-fighting and colossal debt. If the former ALP government had been even half-competent, this fee would likely not even be being considered.

The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor.

The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy.

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy.

Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:32am:

____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy?

So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower.

Small things amuse small minds.


Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line.

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line.

Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line. Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong.

Yet it's the economic illiterate abbott that is wanting new taxes against the weakest and sick of our society.

How to judge a government is how they treat the weakest of society … and abbott mob has already failed this test.

Stop taxing sick children.

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line. Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong. Yet it's the economic illiterate abbott that is wanting new taxes against the weakest and sick of our society. How to judge a government is how they treat the weakest of society … and abbott mob has already failed this test. Stop taxing sick children.

Labor & the Greens should've supported axing the carbon dioxide tax. After all, carbon dioxide is an essential element to life on Earth. What does Labor and the Greens have against life on Earth, hmmm??? Stop taxing life on Earth! :-?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:43am:

____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:41am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line. Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong. Yet it's the economic illiterate abbott that is wanting new taxes against the weakest and sick of our society. How to judge a government is how they treat the weakest of society … and abbott mob has already failed this test. Stop taxing sick children. Labor & the Greens should've supported axing the carbon dioxide tax. After all, carbon dioxide is an essential element to life on Earth. What does Labor and the Greens have against life on Earth, hmmm??? Stop taxing life on Earth! :-?

Best you can do light weight?


Abbott is taxing sick children and I hope people with families remember this when Abbott is forced to a DD this term.

Will this $5 fee eat into the cost of playing bingo at the local club?


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Money for bingo or should I use that money to see the doctor? I'm having trouble sorting out my priorities. Some thinking music please...............

This child tax is more aimed against the religious who have large families … religious families like catholics.

Is abbott turning anti catholic. He is now in office so can drop all the masks.

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:43am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:41am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line. Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong. Yet it's the economic illiterate abbott that is wanting new taxes against the weakest and sick of our society. How to judge a government is how they treat the weakest of society … and abbott mob has already failed this test. Stop taxing sick children. Labor & the Greens should've supported axing the carbon dioxide tax. After all, carbon dioxide is an essential element to life on Earth. What does Labor and the Greens have against life on Earth, hmmm??? Stop taxing life on Earth! :-? Best you can do light weight? Abbott is taxing sick children and I hope people with families remember this when Abbott is forced to a DD this term.

You're taxing every man, woman, child, dog, cat, bird in the country! Stop hating life on Earth!!!  >:(

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

This child tax is more aimed against the religious who have large families … religious families like catholics. Is abbott turning anti catholic. He is now in office so can drop all the masks.

Grasping at straws there much? That the best you can do, lightweight?  :-?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:43am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:41am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line. Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong. Yet it's the economic illiterate abbott that is wanting new taxes against the weakest and sick of our society. How to judge a government is how they treat the weakest of society … and abbott mob has already failed this test. Stop taxing sick children. Labor & the Greens should've supported axing the carbon dioxide tax. After all, carbon dioxide is an essential element to life on Earth. What does Labor and the Greens have against life on Earth, hmmm??? Stop taxing life on Earth! :-? Best you can do light weight? Abbott is taxing sick children and I hope people with families remember this when Abbott is forced to a DD this term. You're taxing every man, woman, child, dog, cat, bird in the country! Stop hating life on Earth!!!  >:(

Making a empty claim is your only defence of the mean spirited and high taxing abbott attacking sick children.

You are not really worth replying to.

If I don't reply to your posts any more, please take it personally.

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:43am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:41am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line. Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong. Yet it's the economic illiterate abbott that is wanting new taxes against the weakest and sick of our society. How to judge a government is how they treat the weakest of society … and abbott mob has already failed this test. Stop taxing sick children. Labor & the Greens should've supported axing the carbon dioxide tax. After all, carbon dioxide is an essential element to life on Earth. What does Labor and the Greens have against life on Earth, hmmm??? Stop taxing life on Earth! :-? Best you can do light weight? Abbott is taxing sick children and I hope people with families remember this when Abbott is forced to a DD this term. You're taxing every man, woman, child, dog, cat, bird in the country! Stop hating life on Earth!!!  >:( Making a empty claim is your only defence of the mean spirited and high taxing abbott attacking sick children. You are not really worth replying to. If I don't reply to your posts any more, please take it personally.

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

This child tax is more aimed against the religious who have large families … religious families like catholics. Is abbott turning anti catholic. He is now in office so can drop all the masks.

*Coughs* Hypocrite! *Coughs* ::)

Please don't be upset if I don't lose sleep over you not posting nonsense directed at me anymore.

imcrook, you already started a thread on this topic. If you can't make any converts with one thread, you're not going to increase your chances with another one.
Apart from which, you only encourage Green out from his burrow with topics like this and that's more than a bloke can cope with at any time.

Too many pensioners using the doctor for a social visit, we should introduce a fat tax to pay for all the morbidly obese's health costs too.
Five bucks isn't enough, make it ten, I'm tired of subsidizing holiday homes and imported vehicles for revolving door doctors that spend their whole day telling healthy people they are sick. 

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:26am:

What we didn't need, Penny, was an incompetent Treasurer spending our money like a drunken sailor and borrowing as if he had an unlimited credit limit.

We now have an incompetent Treasurer spending our money like a drunken sailor who is really borrowing with an unlimited credit limit. If you didn't want an unlimited credit limit, don't vote Liberal.


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What we didn't need, Penny, was an incompetent & sexist PM introducing a carbon tax without a mandate and scaring off investment in this country and killing off the auto industry.

We now have an incompetent & sexist PM introducing numerous new taxes without a mandate and scaring off investment in this country and killing off the auto industry. If you wanted to keep the auto industry, don't vote Liberal.

You're really laying it on thick with your rubbish arguments. You may be wilfully ignorant of the sins of the Liberals but the 10% drop in support in WA with a Senate revote likely there shows that everyone else is not.

____ wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 6:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:38am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:32am: ____ wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:31am: The adults are in charge and now they want to pay filthy rich women to have babies and charge struggling parents to take their babies to a doctor. The cons are fundamentally flawed in their thinking ~ punishing the working class while subside the wealthy. Hang on, if they are rich, wouldn't they own a shower and hence, not be filthy? So you don't disagree that the cons have their priorities wrong … you are more worried about how the rich shower. Small things amuse small minds. Taxing people to take their children to a doctor has long term ramifications for society and the budget's bottom line. Yes, I agree. The con-artist ALP have their priorities wrong. Yet it's the economic illiterate abbott that is wanting new taxes against the weakest and sick of our society. How to judge a government is how they treat the weakest of society … and abbott mob has already failed this test. Stop taxing sick children.

Sky rocketing child care under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind we had sick kids back then too.
Sky rocketing electricity bill for parents with those sick kids under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind
Sky rocketing health insurance under the last  labor/greens gov comes to mind we had sick kids back then too
The billions wasted by the last labor/greens gov comes to mind, they didnt give a rats about the kids.
How many sole parents with sick kids had the sole parent pension taken away under the labor/greens gov.

Again, you have proven to be one huge blind knob sucker you idiot!

You need to banned from this forum! you bring nothing but utter bullshyte here.

De-registered User wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

Sky rocketing child care under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind been a problem since long before labor ... wait, let bury our heads in the sand Sky rocketing electricity bill for parents with those sick kids under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind are they going down under Abbott ... can't wait, just think of the kiddies  :D :D :D Sky rocketing health insurance under the last  labor/greens gov comes to mind highest increase in health insurance was last week  ... i know, it was Gillard fault, or maybe it was Kim Beasleys fault? The billions wasted by the last labor/greens gov comes to mind now we have to pay our way

unlike the libs ... they haven't wasted anything ... only added 50% to the national debt in 3 months ... thats OK I know,  it was labors fault

you said something about brain washed?????

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 8:51pm:

De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:45pm: Sky rocketing child care under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind been a problem since long before labor ... wait, let bury our heads in the sand Sky rocketing electricity bill for parents with those sick kids under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind are they going down under Abbott ... can't wait, just think of the kiddies  :D :D :D Sky rocketing health insurance under the last  labor/greens gov comes to mind highest increase in health insurance was last week  ... i know, it was Gillard fault, or maybe it was Kim Beasleys fault? The billions wasted by the last labor/greens gov comes to mind now we have to pay our way unlike the libs ... they haven't wasted anything ... only added 50% to the national debt in 3 months ... thats OK I know,  it was labors fault you said something about brain washed?????

What did the labor/greens do to reduce all this whilst in power?

Your not stupid smith!

De-registered User wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 8:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:51pm: De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:45pm: Sky rocketing child care under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind been a problem since long before labor ... wait, let bury our heads in the sand Sky rocketing electricity bill for parents with those sick kids under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind are they going down under Abbott ... can't wait, just think of the kiddies  :D :D :D Sky rocketing health insurance under the last  labor/greens gov comes to mind highest increase in health insurance was last week  ... i know, it was Gillard fault, or maybe it was Kim Beasleys fault? The billions wasted by the last labor/greens gov comes to mind now we have to pay our way unlike the libs ... they haven't wasted anything ... only added 50% to the national debt in 3 months ... thats OK I know,  it was labors fault you said something about brain washed????? What did the labor/greens do to reduce all this whilst in power?

have you ever seen costs of services going down? ever? under ANY government?

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:53pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:51pm: De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:45pm: Sky rocketing child care under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind been a problem since long before labor ... wait, let bury our heads in the sand Sky rocketing electricity bill for parents with those sick kids under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind are they going down under Abbott ... can't wait, just think of the kiddies  :D :D :D Sky rocketing health insurance under the last  labor/greens gov comes to mind highest increase in health insurance was last week  ... i know, it was Gillard fault, or maybe it was Kim Beasleys fault? The billions wasted by the last labor/greens gov comes to mind now we have to pay our way unlike the libs ... they haven't wasted anything ... only added 50% to the national debt in 3 months ... thats OK I know,  it was labors fault you said something about brain washed????? What did the labor/greens do to reduce all this whilst in power? have you ever seen costs of services going down? ever? under ANY government?

I hate this forum, you guys can never face the truth of your own

De-registered User wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:55pm: De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:53pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:51pm: De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:45pm: Sky rocketing child care under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind been a problem since long before labor ... wait, let bury our heads in the sand Sky rocketing electricity bill for parents with those sick kids under the last labor/greens gov comes to mind are they going down under Abbott ... can't wait, just think of the kiddies  :D :D :D Sky rocketing health insurance under the last  labor/greens gov comes to mind highest increase in health insurance was last week  ... i know, it was Gillard fault, or maybe it was Kim Beasleys fault? The billions wasted by the last labor/greens gov comes to mind now we have to pay our way unlike the libs ... they haven't wasted anything ... only added 50% to the national debt in 3 months ... thats OK I know,  it was labors fault you said something about brain washed????? What did the labor/greens do to reduce all this whilst in power? have you ever seen costs of services going down? ever? under ANY government? I hate this forum, you guys can never face the truth of your own

you haven't even stopped to consider for a second that perhaps it's you who refuses to face the truth, have you?

bugger the lot of ya's, your all weak bastards behind a computer, GO AND GET buggerED YOU CU#TS

Labor/Greens that you supported buggered this country, now the new gov is trying to get grips on all the shyte and all you can do is turn a blind eye to previous governments wasted crap and blame the new gov.

YOU front bottoms NEED TO HAVE A GOOD LOOK AT THE SHYTE YOU SUPPORT, YOUR all front bottoms!!!!

See ya all, i out of this shyte forum!

De-registered User wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

bugger the lot of ya's, your all weak bastards behind a computer, GO AND GET buggerED YOU CU#TS Labor/Greens that you supported buggered this country, now the new gov is trying to get grips on all the shyte and all you can do is turn a blind eye to previous governments wasted crap and blame the new gov. YOU nice people NEED TO HAVE A GOOD LOOK AT THE SHYTE YOU SUPPORT, YOUR all nice people!!!! See ya all, i out of this shyte forum!

so that was a no then?

Ok, enough said ..... seeya.

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:

De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:04pm: bugger the lot of ya's, your all weak bastards behind a computer, GO AND GET buggerED YOU CU#TS Labor/Greens that you supported buggered this country, now the new gov is trying to get grips on all the shyte and all you can do is turn a blind eye to previous governments wasted crap and blame the new gov. YOU nice people NEED TO HAVE A GOOD LOOK AT THE SHYTE YOU SUPPORT, YOUR all nice people!!!! See ya all, i out of this shyte forum! so that was a no then? Ok, enough said ..... seeya.

Ha ha poor Gen X can't come to terms with the fact that the lefts whole mission in life is to f#ck sh#t up, he's needs to realise its not personal, they were just born that way, just as surely as a retarded baby was born to sit in a deluxe motorized wheelchair, frothing at the mouth while thrashing around like a spastic octopus, is that his fault?, of course not, its just natures way.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2013 at 9:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:06pm: De-registered User wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:04pm: bugger the lot of ya's, your all weak bastards behind a computer, GO AND GET buggerED YOU CU#TS Labor/Greens that you supported buggered this country, now the new gov is trying to get grips on all the shyte and all you can do is turn a blind eye to previous governments wasted crap and blame the new gov. YOU nice people NEED TO HAVE A GOOD LOOK AT THE SHYTE YOU SUPPORT, YOUR all nice people!!!! See ya all, i out of this shyte forum! so that was a no then? Ok, enough said ..... seeya. Ha ha poor Gen X can't come to terms with the fact that the lefts whole mission in life is to f#ck sh#t up, he's needs to realise its not personal, they were just born that way, just as surely as a retarded baby was born to sit in a deluxe motorized wheelchair, frothing at the mouth while thrashing around like a spastic octopus, is that his fault?, of course not, its just natures way.

now now IB, it has never been my intention or purpose to f#ck you up ..... what ever gave you that idea?