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Title: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:47am
So over this festive season I've read report Australians have spent 29.6 Billion $$$ on gifts
http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8760421/australia-to-spend-29-6-billion-over-xmas Another 1.9 billion $$$ on boxing day sales http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/news/boxing-day-sales-set-to-hit-an-alltime-record-this-year/story-fngr8gwi-1226789909928 And although I cannot find a link have heard we also spent 11 billion $$$ on Christmas Food Totaling 42.5 Billion $$$ That's $1847.82 for each of our 23 million citizens. So in 2014 I don't want to read here or in any newspaper, hear any mealy mouthed pollie cry that Australians are struggling with the cost of living, cannot afford a few measly $$ to fund the NDIS or that the Carbon Tax is forcing the large majority to freeze in Winter, that families need the compensation to remain if the tax is repealed. BECAUSE FRANKLY IT'S BULLSH!T >:( It's obviously not how much Australians bring home but what they choose to spend it on. Time for a very large proportion of our populace to get some tough love & re-prioritize their spending. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by adelcrow on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:50am
Pricing carbon has sent us all to the poor house so Im sure those figures cant be true :D
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by adelcrow on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:53am
I did spend $13 US on a Bill Bryson ebook from Amazon yesterday so Im guilty of pushing up inflation...oops...that went to the US economy :D
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Setanta on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:09am
I'm a grinch it seems. I have spent more over the last week but only because we have two sons back for christmas, maybe an extra 200 with food/beer etc. If I only spent an extra 200, some people have a lot of money to waste if that is the average. No COL problems for some.
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:12am adelcrow wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:50am:
So true Crowbait.... I haven't been able to buy anything decent for over 3 years now... too busy saving up to pay utility bills. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by pansi1951 on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:17am adelcrow wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:53am:
Good work adel, they need it more than us. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:19am Grendel wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:12am:
You should have tried harder and got yourself a better education so you could get a reasonable job then, most do not have to save for three years to pay bills. It is not our fault you did not make a better life for yourself. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by adelcrow on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:20am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:17am:
Im doing my bit to keep Aussie inflation down :D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Morning Mist on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:25am skippy. wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:19am:
Asylum seekers should have tried harder and got themselves a better education so they could get a reasonable job. It is not our fault they did not make a better life for themselves. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Setanta on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:27am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:25am:
Oh! Look, there's a unicorn hiding in the morning fog! :D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Honky on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:28am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:47am:
Not everyone can afford a ps4 and 60 inch TV for christmas. Those that can drag these averages up. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Setanta on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:31am ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:28am:
So who is spending 10 grand or more to bring mine and others measly contribution up to a couple of grand? Not the teachers or IT workers I work with. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:39am ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:28am:
You don't see me crying poor either. Oh & not that it's any of your business but the 60 inch telly took me 2 years to save for. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Honky on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:41am Setanta wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:31am:
It's not unusual for chinese students to get a brand new BMW for christmas. By the looks of it, they also do the bulk of the spending at the boxing day sales too. Also, how the bugger do they calculate 11 billion on "christmas food". Wonder how that compares to any other period, since we have to eat all year round. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Honky on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:43am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:39am:
Not crying poor, but you're assuming everyone is in the same boat as you. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by The Heartless Felon on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:46am adelcrow wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:53am:
I hope you like baseball... |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Setanta on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:51am ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:41am:
Cool, I'll have to ask my son's Chinese girlfriend. Maybe we can get in on the deal but since they live in a share house in Canberra she might be the wrong kind of Chinese.. Ain't stereotypes wonderful. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Honky on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:54am Setanta wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:51am:
What stereotype? I'm talking about specific people. Also, just seen a member here say they got a new car for christmas. That's got to push the average up. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Setanta on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:01am ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:54am:
I think it was this one "It's not unusual for chinese students to get a brand new BMW for christmas." I know a lady that has 4 or so Chinese students board with her a year. No new BMWs. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:07am ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:43am:
Not at all In fact I'm here more often than not arguing for those at the bottom to be given a fair go. However most of our liberal posters seem to think a family on 200K need assistance with Private health, Child care etc. As I said to LW a couple of days ago 80K for a single & 150K for a couple should be the cut off point for ALL government assistance. That way we ALL end up paying less tax & the tax that we do pay will be used the way it was intended ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:41am:
Like I said I heard it on an AM interview & cannot find references. How they calculate it would be to look at the food spend in say Aug then the food spend in Dec Minus Aug from Dec well that's my layman's idea. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by the wise one on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:15am
It isn't the cost of living that people will complain about, it the cost of lifestyle, but they will blame the cost of living.
You can see it coming can't afford to go out and eat 4 or 5 times a month instead of stopping home to eat. Can't afford the oversea holiday next year instead of having a holiday in Australia for a change. Can't afford the new 4K TV the 60 inch TV they brought 2 years ago will have to do them. (I am not have a go at you smithy) Can't afford the new I pad or I phone in 6 months time, the one they got for Xmas will have to do them. So it is the cost of lifestyle that they complain about not the cost of living. Do you ever see a low income earner complain cost of lifestyle because they can't keep up with the Jones |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Honky on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:35am Setanta wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:01am:
Rich ones don't need to live in boarding houses. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by The Christmas Grappler on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:41am
You are confusing the turnover in the general public for government handling of the cash resources intended for government sponsored programs....
Those figures sound mighty fishy to me - I'll be a lot of that 1286 or whatever was buying groceries and stuff... I certainly didn't spend that much.. Someone must be buying their kids Maseratis and stuff.... |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:43am John S wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:15am:
It's actually the other way around. They go overseas because holidaying in Aus is a rip off. Every year I say to myself I'm going to holiday in Aus & every year I can get better value & experience a different culture(not to mention I like collecting stamps in my passport) for the same money or even sometimes a little cheaper. And before it happens no its not just because places have to pay their staff a liveable wage. Quick expedia search Syd to Hamilton Is 19th to 26th Jan flights & room = $1287 per person or $1702 p/p Syd to Singapore same dates flights & room(comparable hotel) = $1318 p/p ( The Swissotel center of town) |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Andrei.Hicks on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:47am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:39am:
The point is though people have a choice to spend their own money on how they wish. Where was my choice when told I would be hit with a carbon tax and get no help to pay for it? The question : why should I? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Setanta on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:49am ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:35am:
So, even though it not a boarding house, which has it's own definition, it's people sharing a house your statement stands? Her parents paid for her to come study here, she flew home about a week ago, my son is flying over in Jan, he's a programmer(Software Engineer if you like). Yep an accountant and a programmer would live in a doss house in Canberra. See the level of disingenuousness in your response? You try to belittle. Not a good thing to do to prove a point when it's really shooting the messenger. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by alevine on Dec 28th, 2013 at 12:23pm ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:28am:
Yes, 12% of Australia lives under poverty. But the conversation, the crying that it's all too hard, it never seems to come from them. But rather, as dsmithy rightly points out, from those who CAN afford their ps4 and 60 inch TV, and then still go out and whine that the utility price is too high. Enough is enough. It is time for some tough love, so that we can actually reprioritize towards those things that ACTUALLY matter (ie: 12% poverty line). dsmithy, wait a few days, they'll have a story on how much of that $11billiuon in food is WASTED, thrown out! Happens every year. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 28th, 2013 at 2:20pm skippy. wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:19am:
Had a good education and a good job thanks... guessing I earned more in a year than you ever did, not that you'd have a clue what I have ever done in my life... pity you are more psycho than psychic... :D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:13pm Grendel wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 2:20pm:
Well you may earn more than me but given I own my property ,am ten years younger than you and I live in one of the most sort after places in NSW where fibro shacks are worth a million bucks while you are a westie claiming to need to save for three years to pay a utility bill I very much doubt it. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:28pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:47am:
blessings and yes enough.. enough of believing untrue estimates and surveys conducted by wealthy minority institutions controlling the many... ....or believe them either way be at peace namaste - : ) = |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:43pm skippy. wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:13pm:
But you are clueless about me Skippy.... Utility bills have gone up min over 75% in NSW over the last 5 years. People's situations change often due to outside influences, your lack of compassion and understanding about the situation of others is pathetic, considering you claim to be a compassionate Left Wing progressive... Explains the regressive attitude though. BTW I don't like living in fibro shacks... |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Karnal on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:57pm
They are stopping, they are stopping, and they will be stopped.
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Karnal on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:00pm Grendel wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 2:20pm:
You’re not an accountant by any chance, are you? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:09pm Grendel wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:43pm:
You claim to have needed to save for three years to pay a utility bill, that makes you A - a liar B- a failure at money management C- a failure at earning a reasonable living D- all of the above. Given your replies, my money is on D. ::) |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Bam on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:09pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 12:23pm:
It's difficult finding the time to complain when every waking moment is occupied with brute survival while weighed down by stress and despair. The unemployed are lied to incessantly about employment opportunities, exploited, savagely and unjustly discriminated against, do endless battles with the Centrelink bureaucracy and experience real hardship. It doesn't help that they cannot improve their lot due to the endless banshee whining from self-entitled greedy farks who are far too selfish and greedy to sacrifice a few hours and $100 a week in employment income so others can find meaningful employment or $5 a week in tax so Newstart can be increased to grinding poverty levels. The so-called "fair go" is a myth. Quote:
For less than half that, we can increase Newstart by $50 a week for all recipients ($2b) and provide basic dental care for the disadvantaged ($1b). It's not as if we as a nation can't afford to help. Instead it's considered better use of money to buy a big turkey and ham for Christmas just to impress the family, only to throw it out a few days later with much of it uneaten and wasted. It is a sad indictment on our country that throwing out food is considered less wasteful than increasing taxation by a modest amount to fund needed expenditure. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by The Christmas Grappler on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:52pm
arggh - I see the Levine is on the side of the Angels.....
Well spoken! |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Karnal on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:18pm skippy. wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:09pm:
True, Skippy, but a number of accountants have problems managing their own money. Take Andrei - he’s a millionaire, but he still needs the baby bonus and the private health rebate. In England. I blame the leftards for ruining the economy - economies. Typical. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by ian on Dec 28th, 2013 at 11:26pm ... wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:35am:
But nonetheless, they do. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 29th, 2013 at 4:32am skippy. wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:09pm:
The forum isn't "Grendel - This is Your Life"... Scribbly Bum.... my situation now and in the past is not for public consumption, so piss off. Typical Green, all mouth no brain. BTW never been an Accountant Karnal you wanker. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Armchair_Politician on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:15am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:47am:
I guess you don't put $5 or $10 a week away in a Christmas account at the bank to save up for buying presents, food, etc over the holidays? Most do, especially low income earners and it leaves them with precious little to live off each week. Think before posting, eh? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:37am Grendel wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 4:32am:
You're the fool that shared with the forum it took you three years to save up to pay for a utility bill, are you backtracking now and admitting you lied? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:13am Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:15am:
Most low income earners or those unemployed don't even have $5 left at the end of a week... |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:17am Grendel wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:12am:
There you go Skippy ya moron... that's what I actually said... get an adult to read it for you if you are still having problems. You dense Progs need to stop misquoting everything I say. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:37am Grendel wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:17am:
Yes , you said you couldn't afford anything as you were saving up for three years to pay a utility bill, did you lie??? Yes or no will do. No need for your abuse you don't want to get banned AGAIN do you? ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by John Smith on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:04am Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:15am:
Most do? Really? Have you asked everyone? I know of no one that has an account just for christmas presents .... :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Maqqa on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:19am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:47am:
We'll remember this one when the LIBs have to cut budget spending sue to Labor wastes |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:40am skippy. wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:37am:
Obviously your are a moron on the intelligence scale or English is not your first language. :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by bogarde73 on Dec 29th, 2013 at 12:42pm Time for a very large proportion of our populace to get some tough love & re-prioritize their spending. Watching the news report on the boxing day sales, my attention was caught by a couple of 20-somethings gleefully telling the reporter that they were there to max their cards out and would probably spend around $3000 on clothes & makeup. My first thought was - geez girls, have a thought about next year. My next thought was - go for it darlings, whatever you spend it on I'll probably make a few bucks from it on the stockmarket. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Bam on Dec 29th, 2013 at 1:14pm bogarde73 wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 12:42pm:
If most people can piss away $3000 on frivolous stuff like this, it's difficult to defend the proposition that Australians cannot afford an increase to taxes to get the budget back in balance. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:24pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 8:47am:
you presume the figures are true... family of 6 having spent nearlt $12,000???? not only do I not believe it, I find it near impossible. When my kids were young and I was earning triple the annual wage I spent lavishly on Christmas and yet never went anywhere near that amount so what does the average income earner spend? this feels like an estimate based on a guess which is extrapolated from a few sotres in Toorak and the north shore. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:26pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 9:39am:
about 10 years ago I paid $5000 for a big screen TV which the nearest equivalent now can be had for $600... and its hi-def. all it all... don't invest in tech |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:29pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 10:07am:
I don't have a problem with that as long as the largesse for everyone else is severely curtailed as well. cut welfare dramatically, period. then cut income taxes etc in response and watch the economy take a rise as spending increases on the back of extra income. I raised 4 kids on the back of next to no govt welfare and they didn't suffer. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by alevine on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:31pm longweekend58 wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:29pm:
There's a difference between wealthfare and welfare. Remove all wealth fare. Then start to cut taxes from bottom up when circumstances allow it. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:59pm Grendel wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:40am:
LOL boofys usual tactic, resort to abuse when found out to be a liar. ;D ;D ;D ;D it must suck to be such a failure that you continually resort to lies. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:08pm skippy. wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:59pm:
Abuse? This from one of the most abusive foulest mouths I've known on the Net Come on Skippy just stop telling all those lies anyone who can read knows now you are a liar or an idiot or both... I never said what you claimed again and again what I said... just do us all a favour and admit it for once and then we won't need to keep correcting you. ::) |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:55pm Grendel wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:08pm:
Yes you said you couldn't buy other items as you needed to save for three years to pay a utility bill, it's all there for everyone to read. You're a liar of course but we all knew that already. That's why we all laugh at you and them laugh more when you resort to abuse and get banned, as you do over and over. ;D ;D :D ;D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Aussie on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:20pm
If Skippy has it wrong, exactly what did Grendel mean to tell us by this.
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Is his real intent nothing more politically petty than to bag the ALP for his having to scrimp......to save to pay for gas/water/electricy even though he wants us to believe he was an IT/www guru for 30 years, and there would be none of them who would have to do said scrimping. ?? :-? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Datalife on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:32pm Aussie wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:20pm:
Bit like blokes who reckon they were successful solicitors and now drive a taxi? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Aussie on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:34pm Datalife wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 8:32pm:
Yeah, but in my case ~ retired ~ I own the plates. Wanna buy one? ;) |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Grendel on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:35pm Quote:
That's right Skippy.... I haven't been able to buy anything decent for 3 years because after saving up to pay all my utility bills there is nothing left over for something decent.... not what you've been saying right Scribbler..? :D :D :D You said It took me 3 years to save up to pay a utility bill. NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL YA LYING MORON! For goodness sake... I do get sick of correcting your idiocy and lies. ::) ::) ::) Oh and Aussie you idiot... I was replying to Crowbait, get an adult to explain what it means if necessary... obviously it will be ::) |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:00pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 7:15am:
And if you had the slightest ounce of comprehension you'd understand my post had nothing to do with low income earners but those singles on 80K+ ,and families on 120K+, with the 400K+ mortgage and 2 cars,boat Iphones/pads and designers handbags and clothes. But hey believe your tax $$ should go to them if you wish. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:04pm Maqqa wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:19am:
No problem as long as health & education are not touched. If he really wants to impress me he can start with all the crap Howard brought in for those I sighted in the above post. Super earning over 200K being tax free 5 billion to private health companies 4 billion to miners Are all worth losing if a surplus is what you base success on. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by alevine on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:06pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:04pm:
You know that won't happen. They'll cry poor and claim they'll need to cut jobs. And then spend millions on ad campaigns and we will be right back where we started. Apparently markets should be left to their own devices as long as government subsidies them. This is why governments should NEVER subsidise private industry, all that happens is artificial influx and their subsidies get sucked up into extra profit that companies become accustomed to. But hey, Howard was terrific. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by The Post-Christmas Grappler on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:31pm
Well - all I have to say about that is this...
Let them leaders show us the way by tightening their belts first.. otherwise.. as they say down in Green Bow.. it ain't nothing but a pile o' horse manure dressed up as Sunday dinner... and jus' cause there's a lot o' turkey around don't mean it's gonna make a good meal. An' I have to say that the man above me is 100% correct. Never subsidise business- if they can't make a profit they are in the wrong game... |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 30th, 2013 at 5:39am Grendel wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:35pm:
You have obviously been tought many lessons with one of these to the head in the past, pity you survived.  image_185.jpg (9 KB | 34
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by mantra on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:01am Grendel wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:35pm:
My electricity bills have remain unchanged for a couple of years now. You should have signed up to one of the deals the electricity co's were offering. I got a 17% discount for two years and became a little more diligent with my power usage. The electricity suppliers have suggested that when the carbon tax goes - our bills might not be reduced. If you're unemployed or on a low income - the previous government was subsidising you for the increase. This won't continue - so when the tax is repealed, you'll be a lot worse off. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:18am Bam wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 1:14pm:
the assumption that there is even a connection is ridiculous. just as is the silly assumption that they are typical. and even worse is the typical left-wing viewpoint that if people have money to waste then it should be taken off them so that he govt can waste it instead. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:19am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 2:31pm:
roughly translated as 'punish the rich for their job-creating lifestyles and reward the poor for their sloth' typical leftie. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:21am Grendel wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 9:35pm:
misinterpreting posts is common on here largely because of the low IQ and poor education of so many (eg john smith, pansi, greesn_snot etc). but skippy is one of the worst. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:22am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:00pm:
and you don't think the fact that they already pay 10-25 times the tax of the low-paid is a substantial imposition already? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:25am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:04pm:
the problem with that is that you assume there are no consequences to that. Just as Rudd in his well-intentioned stupidity assumed that changing the FBT rules would simply raise money and not affect sales or the leasing industry or damage the car industry. that's the problem with the 'bright ideas' on here- that they assume nothing will be affected. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:27am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 29th, 2013 at 10:06pm:
nice principle as long as EVERYONE does it. but they don't. and sometimes by not subsidising all you do is end up with no industry at all. not exactly a success. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:29am mantra wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 6:01am:
that's why you need a Costello type in parliament. when the state govts were refusing to cut state taxes as promised for the GST, he threatened them with cuts to the GST and then some. Jockey needs to do the same to power companies. when the carbon tax comes off the prices need to be reduced or else he will penalise them in some other fashion. He has the power of the position as well as the power of being right. Use it. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Phemanderac on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:34am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:21am:
I agree with the first part, re: misinterpreting posts, although I would suggest that it goes much further than posts - and whilst it might relate to IQ (the laughable intelligence measuring scale) and poor education, it simply boils down to blatant lack of comprehension (either deliberate or learned). Oh, and you and many of your ideological mates also are well qualified, demonstrably, for that list of people. Just saying ;) |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by pansi1951 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:44am Phemanderac wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:34am:
Says the 'Liar of the Year' award winner. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:44am Phemanderac wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:34am:
poor comprehension is perhaps the worst. you have the john smith type who seems simply unable to comprehend a post unless every point is articulated in excruciating detail, skippy who seems to lack the cranial horsepower and the worst is green-dumbo who deliberately misinterprets every post and if that still doesn't work, simply lies. The intelligent posters are relatively rare. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:25am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:19am:
Can you PLEASE stop with the Fox News euphemisms. Over there they proved the "job Creator's" were the quickest to send manufacturing overseas & here you just sound like a bit of a wanker. longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:25am:
Please don't complain about people ripping off DSP or any such government benefit. I mean if your happy for others to rort the taxation system(by actually proving the vehicle is for work) you should have no problem with others screwing the government & therefore us for all they can. longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:27am:
I understand change would be difficult, for a start we'd have the miners saying their mines have to close etc just like they did with the MT(which we know is a load of crap). Besides its really a pipe dream, its not going to happen government picks winners & losers & the "Market" doing so via Capitalism is nothing but a dream. longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:29am:
Sounds awfully like Communism to me, then again government subsidies & state sanctioned tax rorting does too. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Phemanderac on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:31am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:44am:
It took some finding but here is a link that absolutely highlights the comprehension issue, but, even worse it demonstrates a blatant refusal by many to even read links when posted.... Oh, it is noteworthy that the main offenders in this link are NOT actually on your list too. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1380263025/135 In short whilst you name names and, in particular, target one specific "side" of the political arena, the above link demonstrates exactly that it is not a one sided issue (firstly) and secondly, by the list you offer, demonstrates that you are looking to score ideological points rather than make any kind of insightful commentary. Not that there is anything wrong with that (apparently). |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by John Smith on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:32am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:44am:
ohh looky, longstupidone is critiquing other peoples comprehension skills you're like a 2 yr old who cries out 'you don't understand what I'm saying' when others don't agree with you did you ever stop to think that perhaps your arguments are crap and make no sense? Shock Horror! :D :D By the way Longie, every poster on here who has disagreed with your views you have ended up challenging their IQ or comprehension .... it's the only argument you have left to make when your dumb arguments have been proven wanting ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by John Smith on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:34am Phemanderac wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:31am:
your link doesn't work little experiment for you, Phemanderac., if you want to try ... disagree with longie on something and $100 says sooner or later he will run away calling you stupid or questioning your IQ. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:35am Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:25am:
you mean like how GM said if you don't subside us enough we will pack up and leave??? how'd that work out for you? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by longweekend58 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:36am John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:32am:
you have developed quite the reputation for failing to understand peoples posts. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by John Smith on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:38am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:36am:
your opinion hardly constitutes a 'reputation' ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Phemanderac on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:49am John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:34am:
Well, firstly, I have been disagreeing with him. I only agreed with the first part of his comment, i.e. comprehension is an issue on this forum because, quite frankly, it is. I just notice that it occurs regardless of ideology and not (seemingly at least) because of it. Ergo, no one is safe, lol.... I don't know what to do about the link, I am tried reposting the link but it didn't work again. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1380263025/0 - hmmm, maybe this will (if I got it right this time...) If not, it was a thread titled "Abbot turns first boat back" - which was completely refuted by the link posted in the OP by the same poster who made up the title... Comprehension issue? |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Phemanderac on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:50am
I also recognise that there is a marked difference between people not agreeing and not comprehending.
That might be a bit subtle for some though. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by dsmithy70 on Dec 30th, 2013 at 10:03am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:35am:
So your happy for our government & by extension all of us to be held to ransom by companies? You should move to the states, companies are considered people with all respective rights, however obligations that apply to people are avoided through company law. Sounds like just what your advocating. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by alevine on Dec 30th, 2013 at 10:55am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:27am:
So then you're basically admitting that free markets are a con, because industry can't survive without government injection? A bit of welfare for the company? Whatever happened to economics 101 where businesses provide a service or product, offer a value proposition, and then generate revenue from that which leads to a profit for them? If they don't have the right value proposition then perhaps their management shouldn't be paid the millions that it is and instead should go back to the drawing board. Quite simply, enough of this nonsense that somehow they can only survive through government injection. All government injection does is raise their funds in the first year, and then what? Then it's there for life. If they want bail outs, that's a different story. Put a proper cost-benefit proposal to the government on a bail out strategy, and if it is sound, guarantees money back to the tax payer, and if it provides benefit to the tax payer, then do it. Otherwise, fold. It seems that this whole idea of cohesive society, role of government and the tax dollar has gone complete hay wire. Just like businesses, people shouldn't be expecting to have their tax dollar give them some sort of subsidy back for some private service. The value proposition with the tax dollar has always been for government to provide necessary social and economic infrastructure, public services, welfare for those falling into the safety net or on the pension, and defence. That is it. Enough of this wanting more and more and more, and wanting to pay less and less and less. What joke. And then some dare to even make the argument of "individualism"... I hear the Pilbara port is going to close for a few days due to the cyclone. Will Gina et al need some funding because they'll lose a few million as a result? poor fellas. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by Bam on Dec 30th, 2013 at 11:20am longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:18am:
The only ridiculous thing is that you think this is a coherent argument. Your argument is about as coherent as an explosion in a spaghetti factory. And as usual, you offer no proof, just vague mumblings. |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 30th, 2013 at 1:34pm John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 8:34am:
blessings forgiveness works then send compassion and when you have slapped weekender across the face with fact and truth which is the maxim of law , he slinks back to the shadows for the light is too much for the dark ones in these times as clarity becomes manifest and resides within all hearts and so it is namaste - : ) = |
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Title: Re: ENOUGH Post by skippy. on Dec 30th, 2013 at 2:44pm longweekend58 wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 7:21am:
Lying is common too, and although boofy has been doing it for years even he will battle to catch up with longlyingfool. |
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