General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG

My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over?

It's like changing from Android to Apple

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple

It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country?
Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:41am: General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country? Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost.

we will nev er know of course had they lost the war in Independence...maybe a few school children would still be alive or even theatre goers.... I cannot b elieve their RIGHT TO BARE ARMS>. would have been abused like it is today..

so dont be too smug.

The cost of servitude compared to the price of freedom..

Im a Republican and a proud Australian patriot through and through so I'll leave the sniveling and grovelling to their English masters to one term tony and his cheer squad.

If anyone would rather swear their allegiance to a foreign power rather than to this country they should go to the airport and leave.

Maybe Australia becoming a Republic would be more akin to an Android becoming a Hemorrhoid..... ;D

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple

I think the Gen would be a good choice...about a Republic.. let em have it as far as I am concerned.. it will be so interesting to see what differen ce it makes to their lives... ;D ;D ;D ;D.

the cost will be enormous..but we never get told that do we???
but theres a few out there that feel threatened by the Queen.. so let em have it....

they may even bring in a RIGHT TO BARE ARMS....to the constitution..lets face it.. the last referendum they were going to make 64 changes to the constitution yet we didnt have a clue what they were???? ::) ::)

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Maybe Australia becoming a Republic would be more akin to an Android becoming a Hemorrhoid..... ;D

theres that old saying

beware what you wish for..lol

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple

This is typical furphy bullsh it,what cost? Loony tunes
I'm not even a republican and I can work out your argument is bullsh it.

The constitutional monarchy, the GG and the flag.
All perfectly fine and a complete and total waste of money to change.

I have BARE ARMS when I work in my garden. I bare even more at the beach, etc.

I *think* codswallop was talking about the supposed right to bear arms. Then again, with her, who knows what she meant? I have stopped trying to work it out.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple

using that logic, why were you so keen to change govt? very time we have a new PM we spend a fortune on updating pictures, signs and stationary ... surely you'd prefer to have kept Gillard or Rudd? We already had both sets of stationary printed

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:05am:

The constitutional monarchy, the GG and the flag. All perfectly fine and a complete and total waste of money to change.

What waste of money is there?

I hope Cosgrove declines any invitation to take the job on.  He is a military man and nothing more than that.  Bryce was Governor of Queensland and is a Lawyer.  Cosgrove has no experience which will assist him in such an important Constitutional role.  It would take some shine away from his career in the Army as well.  He does not need the money, nor any additional prestige.  Why would he want the job?

skippy. wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:17am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:05am: The constitutional monarchy, the GG and the flag. All perfectly fine and a complete and total waste of money to change. What waste of money is there?

To have a Republic and change the head of state and/or flag??

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

skippy. wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:17am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:05am: The constitutional monarchy, the GG and the flag. All perfectly fine and a complete and total waste of money to change. What waste of money is there? To have a Republic and change the head of state and/or flag??

Yes I read what you wrote  I am asking what costs? Name them. BTW, I am not a republican, I just don't buy the bullsh it it would cost a lot of money. To change the title of our head of state would cost sweet fa, the new head would live in the same house as the GG no cost, what would cost?????? Btw no body said we had to change the flag to become a republic, although again, why would this cost huge dollars if we did?

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

I hope Cosgrove declines any invitation to take the job on.  He is a military man and nothing more than that.  Bryce was Governor of Queensland and is a Lawyer.  Cosgrove has no experience which will assist him in such an important Constitutional role.  It would take some shine away from his career in the Army as well.  He does not need the money, nor any additional prestige.  Why would he want the job?

What experience do you think a GG requires? It's a do-nothing job anyway.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

The cost of servitude compared to the price of freedom.. Im a Republican and a proud Australian patriot through and through so I'll leave the sniveling and grovelling to their English masters to one term tony and his cheer squad. If anyone would rather swear their allegiance to a foreign power rather than to this country they should go to the airport and leave.

"servitude", lol. Yeah, you gotta watch those Redcoats on the street corners smashing us Aussies into line with their rifle butts.

Rough estimates Skippy of a first decade of a republic

First federal plebiscite - $100m
Second Federal plebiscite. - $100m
First 3 Presidential campaigns (elections not needed now) - $300m
Changes to Air Force, Army regiments flags, emblems, photographs and portraits of Presidents,  coins,  decorations, medals, additional salaries and super of Presidents and staff - $1.0bn

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

The cost of servitude compared to the price of freedom.. Im a Republican and a proud Australian patriot through and through

Born in England.....

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:41am: General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple I think the Gen would be a good choice...about a Republic.. let em have it as far as I am concerned.. it will be so interesting to see what differen ce it makes to their lives... ;D ;D ;D ;D. the cost will be enormous..but we never get told that do we??? but theres a few out there that feel threatened by the Queen.. so let em have it.... they may even bring in a RIGHT TO BARE ARMS....to the constitution..lets face it.. the last referendum they were going to make 64 changes to the constitution yet we didnt have a clue what they were???? ::) ::)

The biggest single cost would be holding the referendum itself.  I would be interested to hear where you get the 'enormous cost' from.

For the last referendum the '64 changes' (from memory I thought it was 74, but that's of little importance) were removing references to the Queen and the Governor General (and consequential changes because of the removal) and the process for appointing a HoS and possible removal of the HoS).

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Rough estimates Skippy of a first decade of a republic First federal plebiscite - $100m Second Federal plebiscite. - $100m First 3 Presidential campaigns (elections not needed now) - $300m Changes to Air Force, Army regiments flags, emblems, photographs and portraits of Presidents,  coins,  decorations, medals, additional salaries and super of Presidents and staff - $1.0bn

You could have just written no idea, it would have said the same thing as everything you wrote is your opinion, not fact. As for coins, I love that, you all think the queen is going to live forever and we will never change our pissy coin, which BTW is being gradually phased out anyway as a result of people now using cash less and less.
Who said we have to change Army airforce navy regiments and flags??? Please explain? Canada didn't. Again I stress, I am not a republican, I just don't swallow bullsh it.

skippy. wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:47am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:38am: Rough estimates Skippy of a first decade of a republic First federal plebiscite - $100m Second Federal plebiscite. - $100m First 3 Presidential campaigns (elections not needed now) - $300m Changes to Air Force, Army regiments flags, emblems, photographs and portraits of Presidents,  coins,  decorations, medals, additional salaries and super of Presidents and staff - $1.0bn You could have just written no idea, it would have said the same thing as everything you wrote is your opinion, not fact. As for coins, I love that, you all think the queen is going to live forever and we will never change our pissy coin, which BTW is being gradually phased out anyway as a result of people now using cash less and less. Who said we have to change Army airforce navy regiments and flags??? Please explain? Canada didn't. Again I stress, I am not a republican, I just don't swallow bullsh it.

But you sure as hell splash it about every time you flap your tongue!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Rough estimates Skippy of a first decade of a republic First federal plebiscite - $100m Second Federal plebiscite. - $100m First 3 Presidential campaigns (elections not needed now) - $300m Changes to Air Force, Army regiments flags, emblems, photographs and portraits of Presidents,  coins,  decorations, medals, additional salaries and super of Presidents and staff - $1.0bn

Assuming the referendum was held jointly with a Federal election the costs stated above would be substantially less.


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Changes to Air Force, Army regiments flags, emblems, photographs and portraits of Presidents,  coins,  decorations, medals, additional salaries and super of Presidents and staff - $1.0bn

I cant see the cost of photographs being a big deal.
Existing currency would still be used and replaced over time (the same as it is now) with changes (as happens now).
I cannot see  why a HoS (President?) would need more staff than the GG already has.
Changing the Aussie flag is a different issue but I see no need for a change. 

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

skippy. wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:47am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:38am: Rough estimates Skippy of a first decade of a republic First federal plebiscite - $100m Second Federal plebiscite. - $100m First 3 Presidential campaigns (elections not needed now) - $300m Changes to Air Force, Army regiments flags, emblems, photographs and portraits of Presidents,  coins,  decorations, medals, additional salaries and super of Presidents and staff - $1.0bn You could have just written no idea, it would have said the same thing as everything you wrote is your opinion, not fact. As for coins, I love that, you all think the queen is going to live forever and we will never change our pissy coin, which BTW is being gradually phased out anyway as a result of people now using cash less and less. Who said we have to change Army airforce navy regiments and flags??? Please explain? Canada didn't. Again I stress, I am not a republican, I just don't swallow bullsh it. But you sure as hell splash it about every time you flap your tongue!

Thanks for the troll, princess, I see as usual you have nothing to add to the debate but abuse.

From the pro-Republicans postings it seems we are a slave nation

I am indifferent either way

The classical case is Hong Kong

Has Hong Kong really changed since falling back into Chinese hands?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Rough estimates Skippy of a first decade of a republic First federal plebiscite - $100m Second Federal plebiscite. - $100m First 3 Presidential campaigns (elections not needed now) - $300m Changes to Air Force, Army regiments flags, emblems, photographs and portraits of Presidents,  coins,  decorations, medals, additional salaries and super of Presidents and staff - $1.0bn

How would the laws reflect the change?

Do we say that the new Republic will adopt existing laws?

We we have to change everything that says "Commonwealth"

Are we excluded from CHOGM? What is the cost of that?

Trade deals that are signed with "the Commonwealth" - does that need to be changed?

My favourite argument is from those who want to change the flag because it suggests Britain is the Master of Australia.

Who here thinks Hawaii is owned by Britain?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

From the pro-Republicans postings it seems we are a slave nation I am indifferent either way The classical case is Hong Kong Has Hong Kong really changed since falling back into Chinese hands?

I have a small bias on the Republic side of the debate, but I am not overly fussed about it.

What I have very strong feelings about is the anti-republic zealots that use distortions, lies and completely irrelevant points to argue their case.

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:49am: From the pro-Republicans postings it seems we are a slave nation I am indifferent either way The classical case is Hong Kong Has Hong Kong really changed since falling back into Chinese hands? I have a small bias on the Republic side of the debate, but I am not overly fussed about it. What I have very strong feelings about is the anti-republic zealots that use distortions, lies and completely irrelevant points to argue their case.

Yep ditto. When the anti republicans start running out the " doh we have to change all the money yudda yudda" you can see they have no concrete argument.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:41am: General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country? Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost.

We are subservient to no one. We determine our own destiny. Britain does not rule us.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

My favourite argument is from those who want to change the flag because it suggests Britain is the Master of Australia. Who here thinks Hawaii is owned by Britain?

Start another topic Andrei, this thread is about Australia becoming a republic (and the cost).  Changing the flag is an entirely different topic that has nothing to do with whether Australia becomes a republic (or the cost).

(I would have thought a Mod should know better).

So what you're trying to say then maqqa is that for anyone with half a brain the change will result in perhaps a half day worth of confusion.... And then it's the same.

Ok.  Thanks for that.  I understand how for some in your predicament, changing from android to Apple is like going from living in North Korea to South Korea.  For the rest of us, there's a reason they have stopped providing instruction manuals with phones. :).  And I agree, it's exactly how the transition will go from some old bag with some jewellery , who truly offers no benefit and simply lives off the tit of the taxpayer, as head of state.  The perfect welfare bludger.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over?

Relatively little.

It is going to happen.

Get used to it.

The sun will still shine the next day.

Crisis over.

Lets face it..only traitors to this country would defend being subservient to a foreign monarchy while saluting a flag with the UK flag flying in the corner.
The English flag doesn't have the union jack anywhere on it so why does the Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors?
You are either an Australian Republican and a patriot or a sniveling british monarchist and a traitor..there is no in between.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:39am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:55am: The cost of servitude compared to the price of freedom.. Im a Republican and a proud Australian patriot through and through Born in England.....

Yep..and Im an Australian..Ive got a piece of paper to prove it  :P

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:46am: Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:41am: General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country? Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost. We are subservient to no one. We determine our own destiny. Britain does not rule us.

While you salute a flag with a foreign flag woven into it and ask a foreign monarchy to sign off on our countries decisions you are subservient to another nation.

>:( >:(
adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:10am: adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:46am: Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:41am: General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country? Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost. We are subservient to no one. We determine our own destiny. Britain does not rule us. While you salute a flag with a foreign flag woven into it and ask a foreign monarchy to sign off on our countries decisions you are subservient to another nation.

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( smacking   C R A  P P  YOU MORON
>:( >:( >:(

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 9:39am: adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:55am: The cost of servitude compared to the price of freedom.. Im a Republican and a proud Australian patriot through and through Born in England..... Yep..and Im an Australian..Ive got a piece of paper to prove it  :P

So you're a sell out and a blow-in as well.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

So what you're trying to say then maqqa is that for anyone with half a brain the change will result in perhaps a half day worth of confusion.... And then it's the same. Ok.  Thanks for that.  I understand how for some in your predicament, changing from android to Apple is like going from living in North Korea to South Korea.  For the rest of us, there's a reason they have stopped providing instruction manuals with phones. :).  And I agree, it's exactly how the transition will go from some old bag with some jewellery , who truly offers no benefit and simply lives off the tit of the taxpayer, as head of state.  The perfect welfare bludger.

So thats a second one on this thread from another country who wants a different model forAustralia.

Its understandable to some extent given they have no buy in to tradition or history of their new country but a tad boisterous or rude to turn up and demand the system changed?!

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:10am: adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:46am: Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:41am: General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country? Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost. We are subservient to no one. We determine our own destiny. Britain does not rule us. While you salute a flag with a foreign flag woven into it and ask a foreign monarchy to sign off on our countries decisions you are subservient to another nation.

I disagree Adel,

Many of the monarchists want to hold on to  our heritage of our historical connection to the UK.   I can understand that and its why I have no problem with the union jack being part of our flag.  It is part of our history and nothing will change that.

However, while our heritage wont change, what has changed is the make up of the current demographic.

I am pleased, proud and embrace the multiculturalism we have achieved in Australia.  Australia will need to eventually establish its identity in the world.  It needs to be a place that all the people from around the world that have made Australia home feel welcome ...   not just the $20 tourists we got from the UK 50 years ago.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:17am: So what you're trying to say then maqqa is that for anyone with half a brain the change will result in perhaps a half day worth of confusion.... And then it's the same. Ok.  Thanks for that.  I understand how for some in your predicament, changing from android to Apple is like going from living in North Korea to South Korea.  For the rest of us, there's a reason they have stopped providing instruction manuals with phones. :).  And I agree, it's exactly how the transition will go from some old bag with some jewellery , who truly offers no benefit and simply lives off the tit of the taxpayer, as head of state.  The perfect welfare bludger. So thats a second one on this thread from another country who wants a different model forAustralia. Its understandable to some extent given they have no buy in to tradition or history of their new country but a tad boisterous or rude to turn up and demand the system changed?!

You disagree with political debate Andrei - you dont allow difference of opinion?

No i dont have a problem with debate.

However on the subject of changing tradition and our system i dont believe people born in another country should get a say.

Thats my view on this subject.

People from countries not linked to our tradition and Commonwealth etc will have little appreciation of it because they have no Australian heritage in the first place.

Hence i am not surprised to see non-Australian born people on here not in favour of the Monarchy.

It isnt a surprise to see Victoria - with such a large non-traditional Aussie background population - most in favour of a Republic last time whereas WA and QLD was so against.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:17am: So what you're trying to say then maqqa is that for anyone with half a brain the change will result in perhaps a half day worth of confusion.... And then it's the same. Ok.  Thanks for that.  I understand how for some in your predicament, changing from android to Apple is like going from living in North Korea to South Korea.  For the rest of us, there's a reason they have stopped providing instruction manuals with phones. :).  And I agree, it's exactly how the transition will go from some old bag with some jewellery , who truly offers no benefit and simply lives off the tit of the taxpayer, as head of state.  The perfect welfare bludger. So thats a second one on this thread from another country who wants a different model forAustralia. Its understandable to some extent given they have no buy in to tradition or history of their new country but a tad boisterous or rude to turn up and demand the system changed?!

It's hardly tradition?  Tradition would see all the wealth centered completely around the crown and the incestual lords.  If you want tradition go back to that model.  But a democratic monarchy, what an absolute waste of time.  "Let's celebrate the people responsible for torture, hardship and death of millions for the sake of tradition". What a great use of public funds. 

Its not anything personal against posters here or whatever but has always been my view on this.

Why for example would an Australian citizen born in say Vietnam have a loyalty to our system.

You need to have buy in and tradition to understand it and appreciate it.

So - much like you have to be born in the United States to be President, i think you should have to be born in Australia to vote in a referendum on a Republic change.

Just my take on it.

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Maybe Australia becoming a Republic would be more akin to an Android becoming a Hemorrhoid.....

You are actually funny when I agree with you but more often have more in common with the  Haemorrhoid.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

No i dont have a problem with debate. However on the subject of changing tradition and our system i dont believe people born in another country should get a say. Thats my view on this subject. People from countries not linked to our tradition and Commonwealth etc will have little appreciation of it because they have no Australian heritage in the first place. Hence i am not surprised to see non-Australian born people on here not in favour of the Monarchy. It isnt a surprise to see Victoria - with such a large non-traditional Aussie background population - most in favour of a Republic last time whereas WA and QLD was so against.

Ah no wonder you wish to celebrate the aristocracies of the past.  Your mindset is set in the 1700s, which to me only demonstrates that had you actually been born in that time, no doubt you would've fallen victim to the slave trade.  But keep celebrating your wonderful monarchy.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:29pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 11:17am: So what you're trying to say then maqqa is that for anyone with half a brain the change will result in perhaps a half day worth of confusion.... And then it's the same. Ok.  Thanks for that.  I understand how for some in your predicament, changing from android to Apple is like going from living in North Korea to South Korea.  For the rest of us, there's a reason they have stopped providing instruction manuals with phones. :).  And I agree, it's exactly how the transition will go from some old bag with some jewellery , who truly offers no benefit and simply lives off the tit of the taxpayer, as head of state.  The perfect welfare bludger. So thats a second one on this thread from another country who wants a different model forAustralia. Its understandable to some extent given they have no buy in to tradition or history of their new country but a tad boisterous or rude to turn up and demand the system changed?! It's hardly tradition?  Tradition would see all the wealth centered completely around the crown and the incestual lords.  If you want tradition go back to that model.  But a democratic monarchy, what an absolute waste of time.  "Let's celebrate the people responsible for torture, hardship and death of millions for the sake of tradition". What a great use of public funds.

what's this 'our system' white man???

An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY".

Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY".

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:46am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:41am: General Peter Cosgrove is tipped to be the next GG My question is - if Australia was to become a Republic - what is the cost of changing everything over? It's like changing from Android to Apple It all depends...do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power or do you want to be a part of a totally independent country? Ask the Americans if the war of independence was worth the cost.

do u want to stay subservient to a foreign power

In my view a false argument.

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag.

Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........

Her Majesty will be devastated....... ::)

Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

Its not anything personal against posters here or whatever but has always been my view on this. Why for example would an Australian citizen born in say Vietnam have a loyalty to our system. You need to have buy in and tradition to understand it and appreciate it. So - much like you have to be born in the United States to be President, i think you should have to be born in Australia to vote in a referendum on a Republic change. Just my take on it.

You clearly don't understand Australian tradition, so stop trying to impose British stupidity over the crown onto to this country.

Face it, Australia is changing, and with the change must come the birth of a proper individual identity.  To begin, remove these nonsense welfare bludgers that are out head of state.  :)

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY".

My friend it is my country.
I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then.

Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant.
If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Lets face it..only traitors to this country would defend being subservient to a foreign monarchy while saluting a flag with the UK flag flying in the corner. The English flag doesn't have the union jack anywhere on it so why does the Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors? You are either an Australian Republican and a patriot or a sniveling british monarchist and a traitor..there is no in between.

Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors?

If your not Aboriginal then you are most likely considered one of them anyway.

We have one of the great flags and having represented where we came from as part of it only adds to its historical validity.

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag. Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........ Her Majesty will be devastated....... ::) Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

what a wanker - who wants to change history books.....  get a life!!!!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:48pm: Its not anything personal against posters here or whatever but has always been my view on this. Why for example would an Australian citizen born in say Vietnam have a loyalty to our system. You need to have buy in and tradition to understand it and appreciate it. So - much like you have to be born in the United States to be President, i think you should have to be born in Australia to vote in a referendum on a Republic change. Just my take on it. You clearly don't understand Australian tradition, and not to stop trying to impose British stupidity over the crown onto to this country. Face it, Australia is changing, and with the change must come the birth of a proper individual identity.  To begin, remove these nonsense welfare bludgers that are out head of state.  :)

Great invite some one to visit and they want to repaint your house phuckem off  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag. Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........ Her Majesty will be devastated....... ::) Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else?

Losing the crown doesn't lose out connection to anything.  History doesn't all of a sudden get re-written, and the British heritage will always be there.  But you need to get over this crazy thinking that somehow this country can remain "British" during the great Asian century.  Keep the crown all you want, but face the fact that this country is changing and will continue to change.  Embrace it.

As for soldiers, soldiers fight for the people and the country, and not for the flag.  Nor for the crown.  The people and the country will always remain and will always remain grateful to the soldiers. 

woody2014 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:53pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:48pm: Its not anything personal against posters here or whatever but has always been my view on this. Why for example would an Australian citizen born in say Vietnam have a loyalty to our system. You need to have buy in and tradition to understand it and appreciate it. So - much like you have to be born in the United States to be President, i think you should have to be born in Australia to vote in a referendum on a Republic change. Just my take on it. You clearly don't understand Australian tradition, and not to stop trying to impose British stupidity over the crown onto to this country. Face it, Australia is changing, and with the change must come the birth of a proper individual identity.  To begin, remove these nonsense welfare bludgers that are out head of state.  :) Great invite some one to visit and they want to repaint your house phuckem off  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Fweddy that's not the way to ask someone to help paint your house.  I'd be happy to, but ask nicely.

Also, since you're asking immigration to leave, may we have the wealth back too?  ;D. I'll take that house :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag. Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........ Her Majesty will be devastated....... ::) Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else? Losing the crown doesn't lose out connection to anything.  History doesn't all of a sudden get re-written, and the British heritage will always be there.  But you need to get over this crazy thinking that somehow this country can remain "British" during the great Asian century.  Keep the crown all you want, but face the fact that this country is changing and will continue to change.  Embrace it. As for soldiers, soldiers fight for the people and the country, and not for the flag.  Nor for the crown.  The people and the country will always remain and will always remain grateful to the soldiers.

+1

I hate to tell you but Australia isnt Asian.

Also aligning with a continent reknown for brutal human rights oppression and sickening laws on treatment of humans and animals in appalling conditions is not exactly something i wish Australia to do.

I hope youre proud of the disgusting meek attitude towards China displayed by our leaders in this "Asian" century?

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag. Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........ Her Majesty will be devastated....... ::) Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else? what a wanker - who wants to change history books.....  get a life!!!!

That's something you and the other whiners should think about. Concentrate on improving life here instead of pandering to your own sense of inadequacy, and trying to change something which has worked for a long time.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either.

you have chosen not to live here and use 'australian' for convenience.

I have more faith in the people that came here, and stayed here BY CHOICE!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either.

Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born. 

viewpoint wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:55pm: viewpoint wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: I strongly suspect the Queen would welcome the chance to forget about this place and the wankers who whinge on about a republic. Australia's loss, remove the Crown off everything, remove the flag and replace it with whatever you like, but make sure you ask the men and women who serve, and the men and women who have served. Chisel out all reference to the Crown on the memorials to the brave men and women who have given their lives under that flag. Go for it Australia.........loose what connection you have to a place of great significance. Remove it from your history books, remove it from your history lessons........ Her Majesty will be devastated....... ::) Oh yes, ya need to forget the Ashes as well, maybe Indonesia and China can replace that tournament with something else? what a wanker - who wants to change history books.....  get a life!!!! That's something you and the other whiners should think about. Concentrate on improving life here instead of pandering to your own sense of inadequacy, and trying to change something which has worked for a long time.

WANKER - who wants to change history books?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

I hate to tell you but Australia isnt Asian. Also aligning with a continent reknown for brutal human rights oppression and sickening laws on treatment of humans and animals in appalling conditions is not exactly something i wish Australia to do. I hope youre proud of the disgusting meek attitude towards China displayed by our leaders in this "Asian" century?

Every country has it's human rights violations and I would love nothing more than for my leaders to take a stand against human rights violations. 

They can begin by standing up for west Papuans against the Indonesians.  Then they can by all means go up against China's record.  But in doing so id hope they also disassociate themselves immediately from the crown. 

Unfortunately none of that will happen given in actual fact because of people with your "money means everything" mindset.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born.

Andre just likes to class people, another great "tradition" of the crown.   It makes him feel a little better.  It's okay, let him have his fun.

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. you have chosen not to live here and use 'australian' for convenience. I have more faith in the people that came here, and stayed here BY CHOICE!

I have CHOSEN to accept a role in Europe that helps my career path.

Now again, see my point about why non Australian born folk should not get a vote and stop making issues personal because for me they arent.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:01pm: I hate to tell you but Australia isnt Asian. Also aligning with a continent reknown for brutal human rights oppression and sickening laws on treatment of humans and animals in appalling conditions is not exactly something i wish Australia to do. I hope youre proud of the disgusting meek attitude towards China displayed by our leaders in this "Asian" century? Every country has it's human rights violations and I would love nothing more than for my leaders to take a stand against human rights violations.  They can begin by standing up for west Papuans against the Indonesians.  Then they can by all means go up against China's record.  But in doing so id hope they also disassociate themselves immediately from the crown.  Unfortunately none of that will happen given in actual fact because of people with your "money means everything" mindset.

afterall, look how long it took sth africa to change their ways.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born.

I have explained why.
How can someone who has just arrived with no attachment to our country or its traditions be expected to appreciate and defend them.

They wont.

An Australian from Vietnam or Italy is not going to be as loyal to the Queen as those of us born in Australia with families and heritage back over decades.
Its obvious.

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:05pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:01pm: I hate to tell you but Australia isnt Asian. Also aligning with a continent reknown for brutal human rights oppression and sickening laws on treatment of humans and animals in appalling conditions is not exactly something i wish Australia to do. I hope youre proud of the disgusting meek attitude towards China displayed by our leaders in this "Asian" century? Every country has it's human rights violations and I would love nothing more than for my leaders to take a stand against human rights violations.  They can begin by standing up for west Papuans against the Indonesians.  Then they can by all means go up against China's record.  But in doing so id hope they also disassociate themselves immediately from the crown.  Unfortunately none of that will happen given in actual fact because of people with your "money means everything" mindset. afterall, look how long it took sth africa to change their ways.

South Africa was more dangerous after apartheid than during actually.

But thats another topic.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:03pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. you have chosen not to live here and use 'australian' for convenience. I have more faith in the people that came here, and stayed here BY CHOICE! I have CHOSEN to accept a role in Europe that helps my career path. Now again, see my point about why non Australian born folk should not get a vote and stop making issues personal because for me they arent.

Andrei YOU make every point PERSONAL... roflmao

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:05pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:01pm: I hate to tell you but Australia isnt Asian. Also aligning with a continent reknown for brutal human rights oppression and sickening laws on treatment of humans and animals in appalling conditions is not exactly something i wish Australia to do. I hope youre proud of the disgusting meek attitude towards China displayed by our leaders in this "Asian" century? Every country has it's human rights violations and I would love nothing more than for my leaders to take a stand against human rights violations.  They can begin by standing up for west Papuans against the Indonesians.  Then they can by all means go up against China's record.  But in doing so id hope they also disassociate themselves immediately from the crown.  Unfortunately none of that will happen given in actual fact because of people with your "money means everything" mindset. afterall, look how long it took sth africa to change their ways.

And i wonder which way Andrei would've argued during the apartheid years. 

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:10pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:08pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:05pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:01pm: I hate to tell you but Australia isnt Asian. Also aligning with a continent reknown for brutal human rights oppression and sickening laws on treatment of humans and animals in appalling conditions is not exactly something i wish Australia to do. I hope youre proud of the disgusting meek attitude towards China displayed by our leaders in this "Asian" century? Every country has it's human rights violations and I would love nothing more than for my leaders to take a stand against human rights violations.  They can begin by standing up for west Papuans against the Indonesians.  Then they can by all means go up against China's record.  But in doing so id hope they also disassociate themselves immediately from the crown.  Unfortunately none of that will happen given in actual fact because of people with your "money means everything" mindset. afterall, look how long it took sth africa to change their ways. South Africa was more dangerous after apartheid than during actually. But thats another topic.

I am sure it was ....  years of oppression and racism dont disappear overnight ....   but thats another topic

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:06pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:03pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. you have chosen not to live here and use 'australian' for convenience. I have more faith in the people that came here, and stayed here BY CHOICE! I have CHOSEN to accept a role in Europe that helps my career path. Now again, see my point about why non Australian born folk should not get a vote and stop making issues personal because for me they arent. Andrei YOU make every point PERSONAL... roflmao

Well this one isnt so how about you address it without personal comment on where i might live....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born.  I have explained why. How can someone who has just arrived with no attachment to our country or its traditions be expected to appreciate and defend them. They wont. An Australian from Vietnam or Italy is not going to be as loyal to the Queen as those of us born in Australia with families and heritage back over decades. Its obvious.

Loyal to the queen ;D ;D ;D. Says it all really.

Why should one be "loyal to the queen".

And your point is completely whacked.  Having lived my entire life bar 5 years here, and having gone to school here, and having worked here, I can intrinsically say I have a much better understanding of Australia than you.  For one, i don't drink Starbucks when I'm in Melbourne.

To become an Australian citizen, did you have to get a certificate?

Your answer to that (which i dont need) should tell you how much tradition and heritage you have to the country.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

To become an Australian citizen, did you have to get a certificate? Your answer to that (which i dont need) should tell you how much tradition and heritage you have to the country.

Actually no.  :). Check what happens when you're a child and you're parents get the citizenship.  A true Australian knows our laws.

sorry ... hit the wrong button....   this is addressed to Andrie






sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:09pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born.  I have explained why. How can someone who has just arrived with no attachment to our country or its traditions be expected to appreciate and defend them. They wont. An Australian from Vietnam or Italy is not going to be as loyal to the Queen as those of us born in Australia with families and heritage back over decades. Its obvious. Loyal to the queen ;D ;D ;D. Says it all really. Why should one be "loyal to the queen". And your point is completely whacked.  Having lived my entire life bar 5 years here, and having gone to school here, and having worked here, I can intrinsically say I have a much better understanding of Australia than you.  For one, i don't drink Starbucks when I'm in Melbourne.

How about you address the topic of this thread????

how about you address the disputes I put to you on your responses to this thread.

how about as a moderator yo follow the rules you impose on others,

how bout you stop pretending to be part of this country, you are an embarrassment 

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:04pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:51pm: what's this 'our system' white man??? An Afrikaner pom who spent a few minutes of his life in Australia when he was born and claims:  "OUR COUNTRY". Please do me a favour.   Until you return to LIVE here (which i sincerely hope you don't) - please don't refer to Australia as "OUR COUNTRY". My friend it is my country. I was born in Australia and i have lived and paid into the country on and off since then. Now don't make this personal. I have given why i think non Australian born people shouldn't be allowed a vote on this issue without any personal slant. If i weren't born in Australia i should not get a vote either. Phucked if I can understand why an Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born should not have the same say on the matter as every other Australian Citizen no matter where or when they were born.  I have explained why. How can someone who has just arrived with no attachment to our country or its traditions be expected to appreciate and defend them. They wont. An Australian from Vietnam or Italy is not going to be as loyal to the Queen as those of us born in Australia with families and heritage back over decades. Its obvious.

I was not referring to 'someone who has just arrived.'  I was referring to Australian Citizens no matter where or when they were born.  'We" all have a right to be part of the decision......assuming you are on the Electoral Roll.

So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen?  Or soon loyal to some new king?  Please do tell us. 

Will they chop my head off for not being loyal?  Deny me food?  Torture me?  Leave me up on public display as punishment? 

Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade?

Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread?

What a tradition to honour!!

One should honour Britain for its literature, music, art, food.  For its discoveries.

But not the country's old aristocracy that basically brought about nothing but pure greed and pain.

Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage.

I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country?

Its just impossible.

Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there.
Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel.

The stats back up my argument.

New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen?  Or soon loyal to some new king?  Please do tell us.  Will they chop my head off for not being loyal?  Deny me food?  Torture me?  Leave me up on public display as punishment?  Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade? Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread? What a tradition to honour!!

South Africans had values like that.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen?  Or soon loyal to some new king?  Please do tell us.  Will they chop my head off for not being loyal?  Deny me food?  Torture me?  Leave me up on public display as punishment?  Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade? Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread? What a tradition to honour!!

All look like good ideas  ;) ;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

To become an Australian citizen, did you have to get a certificate? Your answer to that (which i dont need) should tell you how much tradition and heritage you have to the country.

Yeas, a Birth Certificate.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage. I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country? Its just impossible. Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there. Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel. The stats back up my argument. New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate.

So as a 6th generation Australian with an Asian wife....   she will never be a true aussie like you Andrei ...   that doesnt even live here?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage. I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country? Its just impossible. Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there. Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel. The stats back up my argument. New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate.

Look quickly revert to already debated points. Well done, superstar.

woody2014 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:21pm: So andrei, why should one be loyal to the queen?  Or soon loyal to some new king?  Please do tell us.  Will they chop my head off for not being loyal?  Deny me food?  Torture me?  Leave me up on public display as punishment?  Or perhaps use me as a slave because I'm deemed a second class citizen because my skin isn't of the right shade? Perhaps ship me off to a colony for stealing a loaf of bread? What a tradition to honour!! All look like good ideas  ;) ;)

I'm definitely not helping you with your painting now, Fweddy!  Very, very rude. 

No Aussie you are born an Australian, your birth certificate comes after.

Those who come to Australia as immigrants get a certificate to be Australian.

That is in essence my point. They dont have the heritage to be voting on our heritage.
I dont class them as second class or anything like that, i just think they weaken the voting base on this one issue.

They should be allowed to vote in all other issues.

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:22pm: Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage. I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country? Its just impossible. Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there. Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel. The stats back up my argument. New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate. So as a 6th generation Australian with an Asian wife....   she will never be a true aussie like you Andrei ...   that doesnt even live here?

I didnt say that.
But if she was born in Asia then my opinion is she shouldnt be allowed to vote on a referendum no.

But again its not about personal here. Its a blanket view.

My youngest daughter is born in Canada, she shouldn't either when she is 18 despite the fact she is an Australian citizen.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

No Aussie you are born an Australian, your birth certificate comes after. Those who come to Australia as immigrants get a certificate to be Australian. That is in essence my point. They dont have the heritage to be voting on our heritage. I dont class them as second class or anything like that, i just think they weaken the voting base on this one issue. They should be allowed to vote in all other issues.

Strange, I didn't get a certificate.  But I have a passport.  Go figure.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

No Aussie you are born an Australian, your birth certificate comes after. Those who come to Australia as immigrants get a certificate to be Australian. That is in essence my point. They dont have the heritage to be voting on our heritage. I dont class them as second class or anything like that, i just think they weaken the voting base on this one issue. They should be allowed to vote in all other issues.

My capacity to do anything as an Australian depends on that Birth Certificate.  The Indian Bride's capacity to do anything as an Australian depends on that Naturalisation Certificate I saw her get about 30+ years ago.  She is an Indian, born in Kenya, and raised mostly as a bloody Pom.  She is more 'Aussiefied' than you are Andrei.  Your claim seems to rely very heavily on the fact you were born here, but in fact, you really do not identify as 'Aussie.'  There is evidence for that all over this Forum.

You on the Electoral Roll here, Andrei?

I am not on the Electoral roll in Australia Aussie no but i can rejoin it as an Australian overseas voter if i wish.

Again though, my point isnt a personal one.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:22pm: Im not making this personal but im sorry if you came to Australia then you just dont have heritage. I mean how can you possibly have a loyalty to a system and tradition when you dont even have a single parent or grandparent from our country? Its just impossible. Look at the demographics of say the Asian parts of Melbourne and see the polling on republic there. Then compare to say my wifes hometown of Townsville with huge percentage as 4th generation Aussies and look how they feel. The stats back up my argument. New Australians want to change what they dont appreciate. So as a 6th generation Australian with an Asian wife....   she will never be a true aussie like you Andrei ...   that doesnt even live here? I didnt say that. But if she was born in Asia then my opinion is she shouldnt be allowed to vote on a referendum no. But again its not about personal here. Its a blanket view. My youngest daughter is born in Canada, she shouldn't either when she is 18 despite the fact she is an Australian citizen.

ANDRIE WHAT is the TOPIC of this thread???

Get your  racists comments into a thread of your own where you can be treated with the contempt you deserve.

In the meantime .... STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are no race based comments anywhere here nor will there be - and i answered your question.
Something you might like to try sometime cliff.

A republic is one great big waste of time and should not be voted on by people not born in Australia.
I shall not sway from that view.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

I am not on the Electoral roll in Australia Aussie no but i can rejoin it as an Australian overseas voter if i wish. Again though, my point isnt a personal one.

I don't think people who aren't on the electoral roll and who don't permanently live in Australia for the past 2 or more years should not vote or comment on this issue.

But that isn't personal.

.......and in breaking news.....the inside oil is that Cosgrove is to be the next GG.  I reckon that is a career error, but it is his to make.  The bloke likes a drink, became as fat as a bloated pig......and now.......he is on a lose weight regimen.

http://www.newsmaker.com.au/releaseFile/view/id/18589/thumb/800x800/cache/General_Peter_Cosgrove_at_the_Waverley_College_Centenary_Cadet_Parade_at_Victoria_Barracks_in_2011__with_cadet.jpg

Mighty impressive row of medals.

Hopefully he wont have a son or daughter linked to a marriage break up of a lead member of the Government....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

There are no race based comments anywhere here nor will there be - and i answered your question. Something you might like to try sometime cliff. A republic is one great big waste of time and should not be voted on by people not born in Australia. I shall not sway from that view.

Seems very odd, but I don't see how it stops you from answering why we ought to be loyal to the queen?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:

There are no race based comments anywhere here nor will there be - and i answered your question. Something you might like to try sometime cliff. A republic is one great big waste of time and should not be voted on by people not born in Australia. I shall not sway from that view.

Plenty of racist views Andrei ....   you are full of them ....   i guess its YOUR heritage.

You are allowed opinion, but dont pretend your opinions are fact...   and please dont hijack a thread to an entirely different topic.   As a MOD - you are a FAIL!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

Mighty impressive row of medals. Hopefully he wont have a son or daughter linked to a marriage break up of a lead member of the Government....

What a stupid comment.  That reflects on our gg how?  Are you just upset she agrees the monarchy is a waste of time?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

Mighty impressive row of medals. Hopefully he wont have a son or daughter linked to a marriage break up of a lead member of the Government....

He has three Sons.  Mate, that impressive row of medals is a dime a dozen in Canberra.  Even that bling around his neck.  My Mother and Brother have one.  Dad and I wuz robbed!

:)

Hopefully Andrie will now shut up  and we can discuss the COSTS of Australia becoming a republic.

Cliff48 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:55pm:

Hopefully Andrie will now shut up  and we can discuss the COSTS of Australia becoming a republic.

Benefits are priceless.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

.......and in breaking news.....the inside oil is that Cosgrove is to be the next GG.  I reckon that is a career error, but it is his to make.  The bloke likes a drink, became as fat as a bloated pig......and now.......he is on a lose weight regimen. http://www.newsmaker.com.au/releaseFile/view/id/18589/thumb/800x800/cache/General_Peter_Cosgrove_at_the_Waverley_College_Centenary_Cadet_Parade_at_Victoria_Barracks_in_2011__with_cadet.jpg

Actually he is a decent bloke and like previous military personnel in this post, he will in all likelihood do an exceptional job.


But your purile and vile opinion has been allowed to be expressed because of people like him giving you that priveledge.


I am begining to hate this country and its people a little more each time listen to the peices of sh1t in it express their heart felt opions.  >:(

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:47pm: .......and in breaking news.....the inside oil is that Cosgrove is to be the next GG.  I reckon that is a career error, but it is his to make.  The bloke likes a drink, became as fat as a bloated pig......and now.......he is on a lose weight regimen. http://www.newsmaker.com.au/releaseFile/view/id/18589/thumb/800x800/cache/General_Peter_Cosgrove_at_the_Waverley_College_Centenary_Cadet_Parade_at_Victoria_Barracks_in_2011__with_cadet.jpg Actually he is a decent bloke and like previous military personnel in this post, he will in all likelihood do an exceptional job. But your purile and vile opinion has been allowed to be expressed because of people like him giving you that priveledge. I am begining to hate this country and its people a little more each time listen to the peices of sh1t in it express their heart felt opions.  >:(

Santa not come to see you, Mate?

:)

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Lets face it..only traitors to this country would defend being subservient to a foreign monarchy while saluting a flag with the UK flag flying in the corner. The English flag doesn't have the union jack anywhere on it so why does the Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors? You are either an Australian Republican and a patriot or a sniveling british monarchist and a traitor..there is no in between.

There is an in between. There's people like me who support our constitutional monarchy because it pisses of "progressives".

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:10pm: Lets face it..only traitors to this country would defend being subservient to a foreign monarchy while saluting a flag with the UK flag flying in the corner. The English flag doesn't have the union jack anywhere on it so why does the Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors? You are either an Australian Republican and a patriot or a sniveling british monarchist and a traitor..there is no in between. There is an in between. There's people like me who support our constitutional monarchy because it pisses of "progressives".

Wow how absolutely lame.  So your opinions are based on whether it pusses off someone else?  Very lame. What happened to the well educated misty persona?  :(

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:38pm: adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:10pm: Lets face it..only traitors to this country would defend being subservient to a foreign monarchy while saluting a flag with the UK flag flying in the corner. The English flag doesn't have the union jack anywhere on it so why does the Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors? You are either an Australian Republican and a patriot or a sniveling british monarchist and a traitor..there is no in between. There is an in between. There's people like me who support our constitutional monarchy because it pisses of "progressives". Wow how absolutely lame.  So your opinions are based on whether it pusses off someone else?  Very lame. What happened to the well educated misty persona?  :(

If it annoys so many "progressives" there must be something good about it. It's almost an iron law.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:38pm: adelcrow wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 12:10pm: Lets face it..only traitors to this country would defend being subservient to a foreign monarchy while saluting a flag with the UK flag flying in the corner. The English flag doesn't have the union jack anywhere on it so why does the Australian flag pay homage to our invaders and oppressors? You are either an Australian Republican and a patriot or a sniveling british monarchist and a traitor..there is no in between. There is an in between. There's people like me who support our constitutional monarchy because it pisses of "progressives". Wow how absolutely lame.  So your opinions are based on whether it pusses off someone else?  Very lame. What happened to the well educated misty persona?  :( If it annoys so many "progressives" there must be something good about it. It's almost an iron law.

Nuclear bombs annoy progressives.  You want to see them exploded?

Chemical weapons annoy progressives.  Let's release them?

Price rises annoy progressives,  rise rise rise?

Wages decreases annoy progressives,  decrease them?


It's better to have your own valid opinion, rather than parrot something so stupid.  You were better than that mist.

And I would've thought that a scholar of history, as you have tried to portray yourself as, would side with me when it comes to the old aristocracies. 

Most people find those things annoying. It's when the "progressives" exclusively whinge about something.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

Most people find those things annoying. It's when the "progressives" exclusively whinge about something.

It seems progressives are the only ones who whinge about those things.  Conservatives tend to not care unless it happens within the physical line of sight.  Only then it becomes bad or an important issue.

Peter Cosgrove has been cited as a future GG for a decade or more.

John Howard has stated that he does NOT want the job.

As far as Australia becoming a Republic is concerned, we got to vote on that, way back in a Referendum, that failed.  I actually voted YES to becoming a Republic, but I think that IF we do become a Republic, we Aussies want to vote for our President, not have the position filled by some pollie. We either have a President or a Prime Minister ... NOT both. What would be the point? Howard's idea was dead wrong and the reason he did that was because he doesn't want Australia to ditch the Monarchy.  I think the Monarchy is a Pom thing and we don't need it here.  ;)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

What happened to the well educated misty persona?

I haven't seen that one.

Does he come here often?

Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

... we Aussies want to vote for our President ...

Why not just replace the Queen and the GG with a President (or any other name you want to call them), appointed by parliament.

We've never voted for our monarch or GG.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:11pm: ... we Aussies want to vote for our President ... Why not just replace the Queen and the GG with a President (or any other name you want to call them), appointed by parliament. We've never voted for our monarch or GG.

Because becoming a REPUBLIC is just not changing the names and titles in Australia's Constitution.

We don't actually vote for the Prime Minister, either, remember?

We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:47pm: .......and in breaking news.....the inside oil is that Cosgrove is to be the next GG.  I reckon that is a career error, but it is his to make.  The bloke likes a drink, became as fat as a bloated pig......and now.......he is on a lose weight regimen. http://www.newsmaker.com.au/releaseFile/view/id/18589/thumb/800x800/cache/General_Peter_Cosgrove_at_the_Waverley_College_Centenary_Cadet_Parade_at_Victoria_Barracks_in_2011__with_cadet.jpg Actually he is a decent bloke and like previous military personnel in this post, he will in all likelihood do an exceptional job. But your purile and vile opinion has been allowed to be expressed because of people like him giving you that priveledge. I am begining to hate this country and its people a little more each time listen to the peices of sh1t in it express their heart felt opions.  >:( Santa not come to see you, Mate? :)

Just sick of deadsh1ts who feel the absolute need to express their deadsh1t opinions on subjects they know less than fck all about.


But it is your priveledge to do so, thanks to those like Cosgrove who served to protect your right to express your opinion. 

Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change.

Of course it will work.

I'd like to hear why you think it wouldn't though    :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:11pm: ... we Aussies want to vote for our President ... Why not just replace the Queen and the GG with a President (or any other name you want to call them), appointed by parliament. We've never voted for our monarch or GG.

How does throwing away a stable sysrtem of government for an unknown system of government, benefit us, exactly.


And please don'ta say it is just a name change, because only a total moron would believe that, but then again if that is your argument, I suppose that is all you have.


If there is no benefit, what is the point.


And having a whiney bunch of p1ss ant socialist feel better aboput themselves in not a benefit.


I couldn't get the ARM to give me one solid benefit for the country, I doubt you bunch of einsteins are going to have much to contribute; you haven't so far from what I have read.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:35pm: BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:30pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 1:47pm: .......and in breaking news.....the inside oil is that Cosgrove is to be the next GG.  I reckon that is a career error, but it is his to make.  The bloke likes a drink, became as fat as a bloated pig......and now.......he is on a lose weight regimen. http://www.newsmaker.com.au/releaseFile/view/id/18589/thumb/800x800/cache/General_Peter_Cosgrove_at_the_Waverley_College_Centenary_Cadet_Parade_at_Victoria_Barracks_in_2011__with_cadet.jpg Actually he is a decent bloke and like previous military personnel in this post, he will in all likelihood do an exceptional job. But your purile and vile opinion has been allowed to be expressed because of people like him giving you that priveledge. I am begining to hate this country and its people a little more each time listen to the peices of sh1t in it express their heart felt opions.  >:( Santa not come to see you, Mate? :) Just sick of deadsh1ts who feel the absolute need to express their deadsh1t opinions on subjects they know less than fck all about. But it is your priveledge to do so, thanks to those like Cosgrove who served to protect your right to express your opinion.

Aussie obviously has no respect for men who went to War.  Cosgrove would be a good GG. Other military persons have done the job previously.  The position needs someone with decorum and the ability to have a stiff upper lip while shaking hands with all sorts and still looking like you are enjoying it.  It is NOT a fashion post. ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:34pm: We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change. Of course it will work. I'd like to hear why you think it wouldn't though    :-/

Legal ramifications.  ;)

Quote:

Just sick of deadsh1ts who feel the absolute need to express their deadsh1t opinions on subjects they know less than fck all about.

I guess you are not referring to me, then.



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But it is your priveledge to do so, thanks to those like Cosgrove who served to protect your right to express your opinion.

Yeas, it was 'people like Cosgrove,' but not Cosgrove.  His military record is easy to find.  Bloody good soldier and Leader, but he protected nothing.  Not even South Vietnam.  He did lead us into East Timor but that, too, had SFA to do with freedoms here in Australia.

My Old Man, and his Mob did all that.

:)

Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:37pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:34pm: We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change. Of course it will work. I'd like to hear why you think it wouldn't though    :-/ Legal ramifications.  ;)

Nope.

I think it's just your personal preference.

Replacing the GG and Liz with a President (I'd choose a different name though) would most certainly work.

There's no need to change the entire system.

.....and he was just a grunt, who rejected a Lance Corporal stripe, as being 'beneath his dignity.'  That brought the house down at his Funeral.

:)

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Quote: Just sick of deadsh1ts who feel the absolute need to express their deadsh1t opinions on subjects they know less than fck all about. I guess you are not referring to me, then. [quote]But it is your priveledge to do so, thanks to those like Cosgrove who served to protect your right to express your opinion.

Yeas, it was 'people like Cosgrove,' but not Cosgrove.  His military record is easy to find.  Bloody good soldier and Leader, but he protected nothing.  Not even South Vietnam.  He did lead us into East Timor but that, too, had SFA to do with freedoms here in Australia.

My Old Man, and his Mob did all that.

:)

[/quote]


Sorry, my bad, I didn't realise that I was talking to a child.


Your total lack of understanding has betrayed you as a child or a truly limited simplton

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:37pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:34pm: We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change. Of course it will work. I'd like to hear why you think it wouldn't though    :-/ Legal ramifications.  ;) Nope. I think it's just your personal preference. Replacing the GG and Liz with a President (I'd choose a different name though) would most certainly work. There's no need to change the entire system.

What were the 'legal ramifications' that bugger wit Neferti (check her posting record) was referring to?

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:42pm: Quote: Just sick of deadsh1ts who feel the absolute need to express their deadsh1t opinions on subjects they know less than fck all about. I guess you are not referring to me, then. [quote]But it is your priveledge to do so, thanks to those like Cosgrove who served to protect your right to express your opinion. Yeas, it was 'people like Cosgrove,' but not Cosgrove.  His military record is easy to find.  Bloody good soldier and Leader, but he protected nothing.  Not even South Vietnam.  He did lead us into East Timor but that, too, had SFA to do with freedoms here in Australia. My Old Man, and his Mob did all that. :)

Sorry, my bad, I didn't realise that I was talking to a child.


Your total lack of understanding has betrayed you as a child or a truly limited simplton


[/quote]

Of course.

S I M P L E T O N.

;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:37pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:34pm: We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change. Of course it will work. I'd like to hear why you think it wouldn't though    :-/ Legal ramifications.  ;) Nope. I think it's just your personal preference. Replacing the GG and Liz with a President (I'd choose a different name though) would most certainly work. There's no need to change the entire system.

So you would just, say, change the name Parliament to Congress? Use as bit of whiteout on the Australian Constitution and hope for the best?  It's a LEGAL DOCUMENT, you can't just change the bloody name of stuff.

The American Republican "system" is basically the same as what we already have, sure, but ........... there are intricate parts that would need "amending". LEGALLY!

Although I agree that Australia should bag the Queen, it is not that easy and there are legalities that have to be addressed.  Besides, it would need yet another REFERENDUM as it would affect ALL Australians and the track record of referendums is around - Fail.

America needed a Civil War to become a Republic. Unless we are overtaken by the Muslims, I can't see Aussies taking up arms to defend themselves in their own country because we no longer want the Monarch in England. In 50 years? Maybe. I won't be around.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 2:41pm: What happened to the well educated misty persona?  I haven't seen that one. Does he come here often?

Misty used to be very fun to debate with.  Something changed :(

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

What were the 'legal ramifications' that bugger wit Neferti was referring to?

Nice to see you here, too, Aussie. Always the Crude Cabbie, huh? Can't read back a few posts? Stiff luck and a Merry New Year to you, too. Shitface!

Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:49pm: What were the 'legal ramifications' that bugger wit Neferti was referring to? Nice to see you here, too, Aussie. Always the Crude Cabbie, huh? Can't read back a few posts? Stiff luck and a Merry New Year to you, too. Shitface!

I've read the posts as they were made and I've now read back.....and not one 'legal ramification' can I find.  Perhaps you can clarify, wot?

Anyone who looks at your posting record here will see what you offer.

:)

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:48pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:42pm: Quote: Just sick of deadsh1ts who feel the absolute need to express their deadsh1t opinions on subjects they know less than fck all about. I guess you are not referring to me, then. [quote]But it is your priveledge to do so, thanks to those like Cosgrove who served to protect your right to express your opinion. Yeas, it was 'people like Cosgrove,' but not Cosgrove.  His military record is easy to find.  Bloody good soldier and Leader, but he protected nothing.  Not even South Vietnam.  He did lead us into East Timor but that, too, had SFA to do with freedoms here in Australia. My Old Man, and his Mob did all that. :) Sorry, my bad, I didn't realise that I was talking to a child. Your total lack of understanding has betrayed you as a child or a truly limited simplton

Of course.

S I M P L E T O N.

;)
[/quote]



So you have traded knowledge and understanding for an online dictionary; well done



Like I said, I was not aware I was dealing with a child, so you need to talk to someone else now, I find children annoying.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

:)

You have had too many Boxing Day VBs, Aussie. Take a nap, there's a good boy! ;D

Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:45pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:37pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:34pm: We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change. Of course it will work. I'd like to hear why you think it wouldn't though    :-/ Legal ramifications.  ;) Nope. I think it's just your personal preference. Replacing the GG and Liz with a President (I'd choose a different name though) would most certainly work. There's no need to change the entire system. So you would just, say, change the name Parliament to Congress? Use as bit of whiteout on the Australian Constitution and hope for the best?  It's a LEGAL DOCUMENT, you can't just change the bloody name of stuff. The American Republican "system" is basically the same as what we already have, sure, but ........... there are intricate parts that would need "amending". LEGALLY! Although I agree that Australia should bag the Queen, it is not that easy and there are legalities that have to be addressed.  Besides, it would need yet another REFERENDUM as it would affect ALL Australians and the track record of referendums is around - Fail. America needed a Civil War to become a Republic. Unless we are overtaken by the Muslims, I can't see Aussies taking up arms to defend themselves in their own country because we no longer want the Monarch in England. In 50 years? Maybe. I won't be around.

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Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:45pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:37pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:34pm: We do NOT need a Prime Minister and a President ... i.e. calling the GG a President, won't work. If we ever become a Republic, the entire system has to change. Of course it will work. I'd like to hear why you think it wouldn't though    :-/ Legal ramifications.  ;) Nope. I think it's just your personal preference. Replacing the GG and Liz with a President (I'd choose a different name though) would most certainly work. There's no need to change the entire system. So you would just, say, change the name Parliament to Congress? Use as bit of whiteout on the Australian Constitution and hope for the best?  It's a LEGAL DOCUMENT, you can't just change the bloody name of stuff. The American Republican "system" is basically the same as what we already have, sure, but ........... there are intricate parts that would need "amending". LEGALLY! Although I agree that Australia should bag the Queen, it is not that easy and there are legalities that have to be addressed.  Besides, it would need yet another REFERENDUM as it would affect ALL Australians and the track record of referendums is around - Fail. America needed a Civil War to become a Republic. Unless we are overtaken by the Muslims, I can't see Aussies taking up arms to defend themselves in their own country because we no longer want the Monarch in England. In 50 years? Maybe. I won't be around.

Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you?

Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic!

:D

Only eight Referenda succeeded.  How many of those were bipartisan?

I think it was a Magic Pudding...ooopss.. silver bullet..maybe a.sauce bottle.. ::)

one of those I am sure would work.. ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

[ Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you? Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic! :D

For you and the rest of the lazy geniuses here.

Section 62 of the Constitution states the Queen as our head of state; to change the Constitution you must put it to a referendum and it must pass.

So yes there are legal issues and no voila and a magic wand won't cut it in the real world where we adults live.


Jeez, try using friggen google at some point; save everyone's intellegence being insulted by such cretinous remark as yours.

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you? Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic! :D

Sorry Aussie.  There is absolutely NO POINT in carrying on a conversation with a guy who has had way too many VBs.  Talk to you another day.  ;)

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:51pm: [ Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you? Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic! :D For you and the rest of the lazy geniuses here. Section 62 of the Constitution states the Queen as our head of state; to change the Constitution you must put it to a referendum and it must pass. So yes there are legal issues and no voila and a magic wand won't cut it in the real world where we adults live. Jeez, try using friggen google at some point; save everyone's intellegence being insulted by such cretinous remark as yours.

Oh come on, you are just joshing with me now.  Turn it up!

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131211005956/the-house-of-anubis/images/d/da/Shocked.gif

A Referendum!  One which must actually pass!  Wot!  Amazing we can't just go 'Open Sesame,' and a republic is born.  I can't believe it. :D

Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:51pm: Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you? Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic! :D Sorry Aussie.  There is absolutely NO POINT in carrying on a conversation with a guy who has had way too many VBs.  Talk to you another day.  ;)

Actually that usually results in one heck of a conversation.  And there is NOTHING wrong with having too many VBs.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:51pm: Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you? Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic! :D Sorry Aussie.  There is absolutely NO POINT in carrying on a conversation with a guy who has had way too many VBs.  Talk to you another day.  ;) Actually that usually results in one heck of a conversation.  And there is NOTHING wrong with having too many VBs.

Can some one define 'too many VBs' for me please, I didn't know that quantity existed.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:51pm: Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you? Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic! :D Sorry Aussie.  There is absolutely NO POINT in carrying on a conversation with a guy who has had way too many VBs.  Talk to you another day.  ;) Actually that usually results in one heck of a conversation.  And there is NOTHING wrong with having too many VBs.

Nothing at all.  I do prefer VB as a beer, so shoot me.  But, the silly old twat prefers random personal abuse (to which I respond occasionally) and such rubbish vacuous posts.....so phucking stupid, I weaken and make the mistake of engaging with the idiot......and that's it for 2013.

Please don't personally abuse on here.

it didn't appear personal to me  ... appeared to be general abuse .. quite within the rules.  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

it didn't appear personal to me  ... appeared to be general abuse .. quite within the rules.  ;D ;D

Andrei thinks that as long as one says "it's not personal" then it's not personal abuse.  It's like we're back in year 7.

I don't think the republic debate is currently active in Australia, not many people really care.

We have enough real problems.

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

it didn't appear personal to me  ... appeared to be general abuse .. quite within the rules.  ;D ;D

Sorry John calling someone a silly old twat isn't.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

I don't think the republic debate is currently active in Australia, not many people really care. We have enough real problems.

Which is pretty much my view.
On the list of issues and problems facing the country it really just isn't a priority or necessity.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm: it didn't appear personal to me  ... appeared to be general abuse .. quite within the rules.  ;D ;D Sorry John calling someone a silly old twat isn't.

Not when it is 100% correct.  The stupid bint is a silly old twat.

Are the provocative VB references okay Andrei?  You have read the stupid bints posts which (all over this Forum) have preceded mine, haven't you?  Have a look at its posting record.  Surely, I'm allowed a jab back occasionally?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:39pm: it didn't appear personal to me  ... appeared to be general abuse .. quite within the rules.  ;D ;D Sorry John calling someone a silly old twat isn't.

depends ..... were they a silly old twat?

You can all shove your 'republic' where the sun doesn't shine.

Well - Pere Cosgrove is my kind of grunt - I remember when Wee Johnnie was trotting to keep up with him on an inspection of the troops..

Johnnie said :-

"Fine body of men, Peter!"

Now Pete's a bit deaf, as all grunts are, so you can understand when his response was:-

"Hunh?  Oh.. yes.. they are!"

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:09pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 4:51pm: [ Is that it, Neferti.  Is that the 'legal ramification?'  We'd need a 'referendum?'  Wot?  You are shittin' me, aren't you? Surely Abbott can just wave his magic wand, and voila........we are a Republic! :D For you and the rest of the lazy geniuses here. Section 62 of the Constitution states the Queen as our head of state; to change the Constitution you must put it to a referendum and it must pass. So yes there are legal issues and no voila and a magic wand won't cut it in the real world where we adults live. Jeez, try using friggen google at some point; save everyone's intellegence being insulted by such cretinous remark as yours. Oh come on, you are just joshing with me now.  Turn it up! http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131211005956/the-house-of-anubis/images/d/da/Shocked.gif A Referendum!  One which must actually pass!  Wot!  Amazing we can't just go 'Open Sesame,' and a republic is born.  I can't believe it. :D

Now I see why they invented velcro shoes, for people like you to go outside unassisted..

You didn't seem to understand that basics of constitutional and now you want everyone to beleieve you are an expert of some description.


You must be looking to another year at "special school". You are a child, with childish ways and childish beliefs. Now go away while the adults speak.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Well - Pere Cosgrove is my kind of grunt - I remember when Wee Johnnie was trotting to keep up with him on an inspection of the troops.. Johnnie said :- "Fine body of men, Peter!" Now Pete's a bit deaf, as all grunts are, so you can understand when his response was:- "Hunh?  Oh.. yes.. they are!"

I seem to have lost complete track of anything you say grap...
almost like a foreign language...lol

hows the book going?