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Message started by athos on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 6:18pm

Title: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 6:18pm
Excellent analysis by a high profile
American intellectual, it must be watched.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N0fzISZ7io

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Morning Mist on Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:26am
Can you summarise the contents in a few paragraphs for us? 3 hours is a lot to sit through.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Morning Mist on Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:27am
Never mind. I read the summary in the link.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:43am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:26am:
Can you summarise the contents in a few paragraphs for us? 3 hours is a lot to sit through.


Chris Hedges is unusually politically incorrect but at the same time very comprehensive in explaining the decline of American empire from economical,  moral, social and spiritual point of view.
He doesn't hesitate to talk about coup d'état of greedy  corporate criminals who now rule US government and the country bringing poverty and moral destruction to the whole society using available mechanisms of a corrupted Empire.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Herbert on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:53am
How much in Foreign Aid does your Turd World country receive from America each year, Athos?

How much of the technology you enjoy today was invented in America?

And the medicines, and medical procedures, surgery, etc.?


Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Morning Mist on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:12pm

athos wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 10:26am:
Can you summarise the contents in a few paragraphs for us? 3 hours is a lot to sit through.


Chris Hedges is unusually politically incorrect but at the same time very comprehensive in explaining the decline of American empire from economical,  moral, social and spiritual point of view.
He doesn't hesitate to talk about coup d'état of greedy  corporate criminals who now rule US government and the country bringing poverty and moral destruction of the whole society using avaliable mechanisms of a corrupted Empire.



I read the summary and the only point I thought was interesting was that political movements need to spring from the people themselves, rather than be imposed by an elite. He sights a lot of the movements from the 60s and 70s. While some of this may have been okay (like equality of opportunity), that's where the rot really sank in. It opened the gates for any group, no matter how minuscule or ludicrous, to start sprouting about their rights. I wouldn't call many of these groups grassroots movements; more like uppity narcissists and anarchists rebelling against the capitalist system because it's coooool maaaaaan. 

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Morning Mist on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:16pm
I watched a documentary the other day on George Harrison. He went to America to meet the alternative movement and was very disappointed. He expected to see lots of little craft shops and artisans everywhere, but he was confronted with "pimply faced bums" (his words) who had little motivation or ambition in life. That pretty much sums up the crowd that supported the "intellectuals" of the 60s and 70s.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by pansi1951 on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:25pm

Thanks for the video athos. I have downloaded it to my mp3 player, have a long road trip on Friday so I will listen to it then.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:27pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:16pm:
I watched a documentary the other day on George Harrison. He went to America to meet the alternative movement and was very disappointed. He expected to see lots of little craft shops and artisans everywhere, but he was confronted with "pimply faced bums" (his words) who had little motivation or ambition in life. That pretty much sums up the crowd that supported the "intellectuals" of the 60s and 70s.


Yeh Intellectuals can be, in own way,corrupted as well.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Deathridesahorse on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:18pm
Who cares what a hare krsna thinks?

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 24th, 2013 at 2:59pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:25pm:
Thanks for the video athos. I have downloaded it to my mp3 player, have a long road trip on Friday so I will listen to it then.


No worries Mate any time.
I wish you a good and pleasant trip.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:53am:
How much in Foreign Aid does your Turd World country receive from America each year, Athos?

How much of the technology you enjoy today was invented in America?

And the medicines, and medical procedures, surgery, etc.?



Oh yes we thank for GMO junk food from which children got diabetes and cancer, bombs and depleted uranium, Pedophiles, Hollywood and other crap, Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Now I suggest you to stick to the topic of this post and if it is intellectually too difficult for you than stick to your fat, same sex marriage, partner, Coke, Big Mac and Blockbuster s h i t.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Herbert on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:49pm

athos wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:53am:
How much in Foreign Aid does your Turd World country receive from America each year, Athos?

How much of the technology you enjoy today was invented in America?

And the medicines, and medical procedures, surgery, etc.?



Oh yes we thank for GMO junk food from which children got diabetes and cancer, bombs and depleted uranium, Pedophiles, Hollywood and other crap, Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Now I suggest you to stick to the topic of this post and if it is intellectually too difficult for you than stick to your fat, same sex marriage, partner, Coke, Big Mac and Blockbuster s h i t.


If it wasn't for the Americans you would be up to your arse in a rice paddy right now, poking a stick at a buffalo shitting every half hour where you're walking.

And of course, you prefer that the Nipponese army hadn't been kicked out of your country by the American forces ...




Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:17pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

athos wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:53am:
How much in Foreign Aid does your Turd World country receive from America each year, Athos?

How much of the technology you enjoy today was invented in America?

And the medicines, and medical procedures, surgery, etc.?



Oh yes we thank for GMO junk food from which children got diabetes and cancer, bombs and depleted uranium, Pedophiles, Hollywood and other crap, Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Now I suggest you to stick to the topic of this post and if it is intellectually too difficult for you than stick to your fat, same sex marriage, partner, Coke, Big Mac and Blockbuster s h i t.


If it wasn't for the Americans you would be up to your arse in a rice paddy right now, poking a stick at a buffalo shitting every half hour where you're walking.

And of course, you prefer that the Nipponese army hadn't been kicked out of your country by the American forces ...


Whatever.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:31pm
blessings and yes

a good point of discussion it may be

to ones with a mind toward as much

for the reality is these freemasonic fairygodmothers

have been pulling the collective wool over the many

and so it has come to pass ...

we have reached critical mass and as it happens

in every now moment humanity has awakened

and that dear soul in the lamb ,

has returned as the lion

in love and divine light

and so it is

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:58pm
This is also a very insightful doco based on Chris hedges' book "Death of the Liberal Class".   It charts the rise of the Corporate State, and examines the future of obedience in a world of unfettered capitalism, globalisation, staggering inequality and environmental change.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6UynI5m7Y

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by brumbie on Dec 24th, 2013 at 8:22pm
EMPIRE OF ILUSION

Another genetically lost person..probably brought up by lesbians and is in self doubt.It doesn't matter how intellectual you might be,if you believe yourself as a social outcast then thats your lot...

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 25th, 2013 at 10:05am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:58pm:
This is also a very insightful doco based on Chris hedges' book "Death of the Liberal Class".   It charts the rise of the Corporate State, and examines the future of obedience in a world of unfettered capitalism, globalisation, staggering inequality and environmental change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6UynI5m7Y


This is Excellent, thanks for that ImSpartacus2.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 25th, 2013 at 10:13am

brumbie wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 8:22pm:
EMPIRE OF ILUSION

Another genetically lost person..probably brought up by lesbians and is in self doubt.It doesn't matter how intellectual you might be,if you believe yourself as a social outcast then thats your lot...


What you've said is totally empty and meaningless, in plain English it means big Bull S h i t.
Now I suggest you if it is intellectually too difficult for you to stick to the topic of this post, than stick it to your fat, same sex marriage, partner arse and continue enjoying your good deal Coke, Big Mac and Blockbuster crap.
Leave alone cultured, civilized and competent people to discuss in peace this very important topic.
Thank you very much in advance.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 25th, 2013 at 6:30pm
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/14/is-america-the-mother-of-al-qaeda/




In the lead up to the Geneva peace conference, the world is now hearing of terrorist armies dedicated to turning Syria into an al-Qaeda state.
The European Union is in panic; Jihadists returning from Syria are setting up terror cells in nation after nation, and those who now claim to have been “duped” into supplying and training al-Qaeda are throwing their hands in the air and screaming out, “How did this happen?”
What they should be screaming out is, “How did we get caught?”
Will the real “mother of al-Qaeda” please stand up?
Intelligence sources in the region report that al-Qaeda terror groups are, in fact, not just getting weapons and support from the same sources as the Free Syrian Army but far more dangerous weapons.
Al-Qaeda can now shoot down airliners anywhere in the world, use mini-guns on crowds, killing thousands or deploy poison gas or bio-toxins.
Americans have supplied all of that and more to al-Qaeda.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Sparky on Dec 25th, 2013 at 6:43pm
Poor old Syria. You see their children and they all have hollow eyes.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Herbert on Dec 25th, 2013 at 7:15pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 6:43pm:
Poor old Syria. You see their children and they all have hollow eyes.


Far more tragic is that within a few years under the influence of Islamic saturation their minds go hollow.

That's when all they can do is parrot the words "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" while waving guns.

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Dec 25th, 2013 at 7:25pm

athos wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 10:05am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:58pm:
This is also a very insightful doco based on Chris hedges' book "Death of the Liberal Class".   It charts the rise of the Corporate State, and examines the future of obedience in a world of unfettered capitalism, globalisation, staggering inequality and environmental change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6UynI5m7Y


This is Excellent, thanks for that ImSpartacus2.

Your welcome. I wish these docos impacted on people to do something but its like we're just sheep going to the slaughter.   

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Deathridesahorse on Dec 25th, 2013 at 8:15pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

athos wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 10:05am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:58pm:
This is also a very insightful doco based on Chris hedges' book "Death of the Liberal Class".   It charts the rise of the Corporate State, and examines the future of obedience in a world of unfettered capitalism, globalisation, staggering inequality and environmental change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6UynI5m7Y


This is Excellent, thanks for that ImSpartacus2.

Your welcome. I wish these docos impacted on people to do something but its like we're just sheep going to the slaughter.   

she'll be right mate: we're aussie and our shite don't stink when we drink and drink and drink oi oi oi!!  :D :D Same attitude by all americas followers! Whitey is going to get it cos he's sleeping!!!!  :o :o :o i mean dreaming lol  ::)

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Deathridesahorse on Dec 25th, 2013 at 8:17pm
go hollywood and the illusion of sophistication over intelligence!  :o :o

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by athos on Dec 26th, 2013 at 3:11pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

athos wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 10:05am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:58pm:
This is also a very insightful doco based on Chris hedges' book "Death of the Liberal Class".   It charts the rise of the Corporate State, and examines the future of obedience in a world of unfettered capitalism, globalisation, staggering inequality and environmental change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6UynI5m7Y


This is Excellent, thanks for that ImSpartacus2.

Your welcome. I wish these docos impacted on people to do something but its like we're just sheep going to the slaughter.   


For those who want to rule the world we are destine first to be usefully obedient and than to be slathered.


Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by pansi1951 on Jan 1st, 2014 at 8:56am

More from Chris Hedges. He has written some excellent articles for truthdig.

You should read the whole article, it's good.

An increasing number of Australian's are getting it too, they realise that we follow American policy closely.


Our Invisible Revolution

“Did you ever ask yourself how it happens that government and capitalism continue to exist in spite of all the evil and trouble they are causing in the world?” the anarchist Alexander Berkman wrote in his essay “The Idea Is the Thing.” “If you did, then your answer must have been that it is because the people support those institutions, and that they support them because they believe in them.”

Berkman was right. As long as most citizens believe in the ideas that justify global capitalism, the private and state institutions that serve our corporate masters are unassailable. When these ideas are shattered, the institutions that buttress the ruling class deflate and collapse.

The battle of ideas is percolating below the surface. It is a battle the corporate state is steadily losing. An increasing number of Americans are getting it. They know that we have been stripped of political power. They recognize that we have been shorn of our most basic and cherished civil liberties, and live under the gaze of the most intrusive security and surveillance apparatus in human history.

Half the country lives in poverty. Many of the rest of us, if the corporate state is not overthrown, will join them. These truths are no longer hidden.

“Because revolution is evolution at its boiling point you cannot ‘make’ a real revolution any more than you can hasten the boiling of a tea kettle,” Berkman wrote. “It is the fire underneath that makes it boil: how quickly it will come to the boiling point will depend on how strong the fire is.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/our_invisible_revolution_20131028

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 1st, 2014 at 11:24am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmuSUy0wxW4

Why You Should Care: NSA Raids Warcraft (E43)

Published on Dec 31, 2013
Apathybot has managed to get a job playing video games all day. However this stroke of luck has a dark side. Find out what it is right now!

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 1st, 2014 at 7:17pm
blessings

this is how governments set up inquiries

just like the cole commission circa howard and co

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tosw3kKsKDY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSQ2AyAZI54

all illusion smoke and mirrors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4c1p_DMkIw

all is well

be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 3:13am
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/12/u-s-judge-obama-homeland-security-aiding-criminal-conspiracies-2862196.html

U.S. Judge: Obama Homeland Security Aiding Criminal Conspiracies



Tuesday, December 31, 2013 17:26

" The court order, signed on December 13, emphasized that it should not be interpreted as commentary on the subject of “immigration reform,” which Obama and some members of Congress are pushing. However, Hanen said, the issues raised in the string of recent cases concern the court for several “unassailable reasons.” First, “and most importantly,” the illegal activities in question help fund drug cartels, which are a “very real danger for both citizens of this country and Mexico.” The government’s conduct, the judge wrote, is “inspiring” the cartels to continue funding “evil and illegal activities.” On top of that, Hanen continued, U.S. citizens are being forced by Homeland Security policy to “fund these evil ventures with their tax dollars.”

Second of all, Homeland Security’s policy undermines the deterrent effect of U.S. law and inspires criminals to continue breaking it. “Even if their co-conspirators are unsuccessful, the Government will finish the job of the human traffickers — mission still accomplished,” he wrote. “It is no wonder these cases are proliferating.” In addition, the machinations are encouraging parents to turn over their children to strangers about whom “only one thing is truly known: they are criminals involved in a criminal conspiracy.”

Finally, Hanen said, the policy is eroding the morale of U.S. Border Patrol agents who risk their lives to enforce the law — only to have Homeland Security deliberately undermine their efforts. The controversial policy of facilitating criminal conspiracies and human smuggling is also making matters worse, Hanen observed. According to figures cited in the document, there has been an 81-percent increase in unaccompanied children picked up at the border over a two-year period. That should “tell the DHS that their policy is failing,” the judge said. “If they persist in this policy, more children are going to be harmed, and the DHS will be partly responsible because it encourages this kind of Russian roulette.”

Citing bogus justifications offered by authorities for their actions, Judge Hanen said there was “no explanation” for the unlawful behavior on the part of the administration. “The DHS has simply chosen not to enforce the United States’ border security laws,” he said. Furthermore, the judge continued, there is not even a semblance of legal justification for Homeland Security to turn a “blind eye” to criminal conduct — not to mention “to participate in and complete the mission of a criminal conspiracy or to encourage parents to put their minor children in perilous situations subject to the whims of evil individuals.” The administration’s actions, he added, are “both dangerous and unconscionable.” "

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by pansi1951 on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:34pm

People who know their history are saying it.

Should we believe what they're all telling us?

Are we on the brink of war? Academic sparks debate by drawing comparisons between 1914 past and 2014 present

The year was 1914. The world was experimenting with economic globalisation.

Add a century to the date and ask yourself: does this scenario sound familiar?

FADING EMPIRE
What had been the world's sole economic and military superpower for almost a century suddenly found its authority being challenged.

A century ago, this was the British Empire.

Now, is it the United States?

In 2013 the world's sole superpower suffered a near mortal blow to its credibility. The leaks of Julian Assange, Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden have exposed the nation's rampant exceptionalism.
Its diplomatic and moral credentials are in tatters. Yet it still maintains its stance as the world's moral compass.

- Fading empires: Fearing the future and grasping at what they have
- A "place in the sun": With new power comes big ambitions
- Global 'flashpoints': Rogue states and disputed regions
- Globalisation: With all its benefits and pressures
- Arms race: New technology negates old might

The rhythm is there. The tone is there. The tense is now.

Here's how the two "14s" compare:

read it here:

http://www.news.com.au/world/are-we-on-the-brink-of-war-academic-sparks-debate-by-drawing-comparisons-between-1914-past-and-2014-present/story-fndir2ev-1226793586357

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by Morning Mist on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:13pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 2:34pm:
People who know their history are saying it.

Should we believe what they're all telling us?

Are we on the brink of war? Academic sparks debate by drawing comparisons between 1914 past and 2014 present

The year was 1914. The world was experimenting with economic globalisation.

Add a century to the date and ask yourself: does this scenario sound familiar?

FADING EMPIRE
What had been the world's sole economic and military superpower for almost a century suddenly found its authority being challenged.

A century ago, this was the British Empire.

Now, is it the United States?

In 2013 the world's sole superpower suffered a near mortal blow to its credibility. The leaks of Julian Assange, Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden have exposed the nation's rampant exceptionalism.
Its diplomatic and moral credentials are in tatters. Yet it still maintains its stance as the world's moral compass.

- Fading empires: Fearing the future and grasping at what they have
- A "place in the sun": With new power comes big ambitions
- Global 'flashpoints': Rogue states and disputed regions
- Globalisation: With all its benefits and pressures
- Arms race: New technology negates old might

The rhythm is there. The tone is there. The tense is now.

Here's how the two "14s" compare:

read it here:

http://www.news.com.au/world/are-we-on-the-brink-of-war-academic-sparks-debate-by-drawing-comparisons-between-1914-past-and-2014-present/story-fndir2ev-1226793586357


This doesn't make much sense. WW1 was about German expansion. So why is Britain being used as the example to the U.S? Is someone going to invade the U.S?

Title: Re: EMPIRE OF ILUSION
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:52pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AzLoFs89FU

Geraldo Sides with Alex Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10TnkeF0MO0

Building 7: Controlled Demolition

truth is the maxim of law

and so it is

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =


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