These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

EVERY F***CKING YEAR

SAME OLD SH!T

Not that you'll read or understand

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/20/war-on-christmas-material-culture


Here's something you can just watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_9I60FxWWk

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

Talk about a blast from the past.  So 2008.

What is with right wing nutjob imbeciles trying to stir up a war on christmas each year for?

I wondered when the yearly propaganda would raise its ugly head and right on cue, up pops matty with the Muslims are ruining our Christmas.

It seems like many schools and preschools and many shopping malls are to blame for ruining your Christmas, providing that is true or did Alan tell you it is so?

My shopping centres seem to have ignored the outrage from the Muslims, the Christmas carols are on alright, loud and loud.

I'm not sure about pre schools but I did see a nativity set at the child care centre.

This song was written for you matty....baaa baaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

Muslims will not destroy Christianity Matty, as long as there are good people who believe in the teachings of God, Christianity will survive, didn't Jesus say on the Cross just before he died, 'forgive them father for they know not what they do.'.

Christ died for the sins of humanity. God will always forgive a sinner who is repentant.

Christianity is a gentle faith if one follows the simple rules laid out by God.

On the eve of the celebration of the birth of Christ, I wish every poster peace and happiness in their Christmas celebrations. :)

Can't get anything right can they?

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In keeping with he Red Baron's fair-minded theme - Islam is also a peaceful religion for those who choose to read it correctly.

Unfortunately there are those on both 'sides' who know no better than to take out their personal issues of poverty and powerlessness and pettiness on an entire religious group.

Salaam aleikum!  And Merry Christmas!  And Shalom to yez all.

red baron wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Muslims will not destroy Christianity Matty, as long as there are good people who believe in the teachings of God, Christianity will survive, didn't Jesus say on the Cross just before he died, 'forgive them father for they know not what they do.'. Christ died for the sins of humanity. God will always forgive a sinner who is repentant. Christianity is a gentle faith if one follows the simple rules laid out by God. On the eve of the celebration of the birth of Christ, I wish every poster peace and happiness in their Christmas celebrations. :)

thanks red and to you too :)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:03pm:

I wondered when the yearly propaganda would raise its ugly head and right on cue, up pops matty with the Muslims are ruining our Christmas.

I always knew he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but this thread has really shown what a complete idiot the poor boy is.


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matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

Myself along with all the other New Age Muslims will not be happy until every vestige of Christianity is nothing but a memory. Forget the A phuking league on a Sunday afternoon. Sunday afternoons will feature lapidations as the main fixture at Telstra stadium. Hand choppings and all the other rich elements of New Age Islam will dominate. Most of that rubbish taught at schools will be replaced by classes full of eager young muslim Australians learning every vile verse of the kran. We will prevail. It is written.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:02pm:

EVERY F***CKING YEAR SAME OLD SH!T Not that you'll read or understand http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/20/war-on-christmas-material-culture Here's something you can just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_9I60FxWWk

Excellent video    ;)

"Santa just is white"    ;D

That jewboy wouldn't like Christmas.

what the f*ck does this have to do with muslims??

Sparky wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm:

That jewboy wouldn't like Christmas.

"We all know that Christmas is everyone's favourite holiday ... EVERYone's."

Its the looney left trying to destroy christmas in order to placate the muslims.

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

matty get a reality check...it isnt Muslims that are anti CHristmas..its some stupid Politically correct twat that wants to make a name for themselves..and its the best they have got..

cods wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:20pm:

matty get a reality check...it isnt Muslims that are anti CHristmas..its some stupid Politically correct twat that wants to make a name for themselves..and its the best they have got..

I have no problem believing that.  If the Brian Rosses of the world ever achieved a position of responsibility enough to dictate such things, you can be sure that's the sort of crap they would engage themselves with.   

We make a rod for our own back with sh#t like this, have you ever heard the term give them an inch and they'll take a mile, when you cave in to another cultures demands you just show weakness and encourage them to go to the next level, what we should be doing is cancelling centrelink benefits to any muslim that won't do a conversion to christianity, you'd get a few diehards that will hold out but by and large most mussies would make the change if their centrelink benefits depended on it.
Mussies bet on the strongest horse, that horse has to be christianity not alqeda.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:38pm:

We make a rod for our own back with sh#t like this, have you ever heard the term give them an inch and they'll take a mile, when you cave in to another cultures demands you just show weakness and encourage them to go to the next level, what we should be doing is cancelling centrelink benefits to any muslim that won't do a conversion to christianity, you'd get a few diehards that will hold out but by and large most mussies would make the change if their centrelink benefits depended on it. Mussies bet on the strongest horse, that horse has to be christianity not alqeda.

Other cultures aren't making any demands.

Nobody is trying to destroy Christmas.

Matty is a moron, and this is how he gets his kicks.

That's all.


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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Other cultures aren't making any demands.

Does that mean your culture of demanding we take in bogus reffos to retire on centrelink benefits for life is finished too  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 5:58pm: Other cultures aren't making any demands. Does that mean your culture of demanding we take in bogus reffos to retire on centrelink benefits for life is finished too  ;D

1.  You are off topic.

2.  I have never demanded that we take in bogus reffos to retire on Centrelink benefits for life.


Have you been hitting the eggnog?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:13pm:

In keeping with he Red Baron's fair-minded theme - Islam is also a peaceful religion for those who choose to read it correctly. Unfortunately there are those on both 'sides' who know no better than to take out their personal issues of poverty and powerlessness and pettiness on an entire religious group. Salaam aleikum!  And Merry Christmas!  And Shalom to yez all.

good post

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 5:38pm:

We make a rod for our own back with sh#t like this, have you ever heard the term give them an inch and they'll take a mile, when you cave in to another cultures demands you just show weakness and encourage them to go to the next level, what we should be doing is cancelling centrelink benefits to any muslim that won't do a conversion to christianity, you'd get a few diehards that will hold out but by and large most mussies would make the change if their centrelink benefits depended on it. Mussies bet on the strongest horse, that horse has to be christianity not alqeda.

there is an element of truth to that. training horses, you always have to demand respect (not be mean about it)  but the day you show weakness , is the day they will try to buck you off and you get hurt.  always, always , always  demand respect and that way the two parties can live in peace.  weakness is a cancer  to cultural groups, to children, to animals.  be firm , consistent and unshakeable.

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

Hey Matty? Why didn't you just bump your whiny little bitch thread from last year? It was the same word for word, sweet cheeks. ::)

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

As a non-Christian, non-Muslim, non-Jew, non-Hindu, non-Buddhist, non-Confucian, non-Shinto, non-Animist, agnostic.... I think your position on this topic is bunkum.

Muslims are not trying to push for the destruction of Christianity. Secular people are doing that, simply by pointing out the flaws of religion. I had a whole year of non-Christmas messages, and it has only been the last few weeks that Christmas has been in the media. In fact, I might go and have a look at the decorations in the shopping centres tomorrow, and decide for myself whether the promotion of Christmas is being encouraged thoroughly.

I was born here, and had an Anglican church attending mother, and a secular father. I attended the church with my mother and two siblings. Didn't really pay much attention to the sermons, and found that they were a waste of 50 days of the year for 17 years. When a girl in my class asked if I was religious (at 12 years of age), when I told her not to swear, it was a real turning point for my own insight. That was the end of religion for me.

This country was not founded on Christianity. I think the only religious implication in the founding was the dismissive "Thank God that boat ride is over". Other than that, our founders of this country were more interested in getting a full belly, and surviving. Imagine how long "praying to God" would have went over in a colony that could grow their food, and had to rely on being resupplied from South Africa.

As for your Islamophobia, I wouldn't be at all surprised that they are growing. If you spent more of your time concentrating on family and having many children, rather than updating your car, house, plasma tv, etc., then the number of descendants you have in your community will grow, too.

red baron wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Christ died for the sins of humanity. God will always forgive a sinner who is repentant.

What the hell does "died for the sins of humanity" mean, anyway? For the past 28 years of my life, those words had no meaning to me. What do they mean to you?

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just ... 1/ ... destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. ( ... Christianity is a now a "holiday based faith" ?) 2/ ... Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. ( ... it was the Jews that got the whole "Happy Holidays" thing going - in the US) 3/ ... In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols ... ( ... well we ALL know that is BOLLOCKS - I've been driven MAD by them since October, in MY mall and supermarket) 4/ ... Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over ... ( ... I'm sure it's just a FASHION STATEMENT ... I don't see Christianity "crumbling" under the pressure)

In the Las Californias Province of New Spain in the Americas, the Catholic Church expanded its missions
Junípero Serra, the Franciscan priest in charge of this effort genocide founded a series of mission stations which became economic, political, and religious institutions.
These missions brought grain, cattle, and a changed homeland for the California Native Americans.
They had no immunity to European diseases, with subsequent indigenous tribal population falls. However, by bringing Western civilization to the area, these missions have been held responsible for wiping out nearly a third of the native population, primarily through disease.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_the_Age_of_Discovery

Who'd WANT to be a "Christian" ?

APPARENTLY Longweekend58 is a "typical" example ?

You'd go a LONG WAY - to find a more "head-f*cked" individual

Muslims are less tolerant

They are happy for us to observe their religious obligations but is intolerant to other people's religious obligations

They believe Allah is the only God therefore every must believe so or else they are infidels and we all know what happens to infidels

Yes, my friends, it is so. It is our sinister plan. Christmas cracker, Boxing Day sale, retail confidence, all.

Caliphate is coming to Casurina Square, isn’t it. It is a jolly worlds, no?

Gud is great.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Its the looney left trying to destroy christmas in order to placate the muslims.

I put it down to global warming and its effect on the neo-cortex...

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 11:22pm:

Yes, my friends, it is so. It is our sinister plan. Christmas cracker, Boxing Day sale, retail confidence, all. Caliphate is coming to Casurina Square, isn’t it. It is a jolly worlds, no? Gud is great.

Fifth Column - Emirates have already stolen the Malbun Cyup, a horse stud or two in the Hunter Valley, and even a football stadium or two... surprised we aren't eating Halal pies at the footie now.... and no alcoholic drinks....

An Australian Travesty... Football, no  pies, kangaroos, no Holden cars....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 3:08am:

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 11:22pm: Yes, my friends, it is so. It is our sinister plan. Christmas cracker, Boxing Day sale, retail confidence, all. Caliphate is coming to Casurina Square, isn’t it. It is a jolly worlds, no? Gud is great. Fifth Column - Emirates have already stolen the Malbun Cyup, a horse stud or two in the Hunter Valley, and even a football stadium or two... surprised we aren't eating Halal pies at the footie now.... and no alcoholic drinks.... An Australian Travesty... Football, no  pies, kangaroos, no Holden cars....

good point grappler.  destroying christmas is one thing , but sport is sacred

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 2:13pm:

In keeping with he Red Baron's fair-minded theme - Islam is also a peaceful religion for those who choose to read it correctly. Unfortunately there are those on both 'sides' who know no better than to take out their personal issues of poverty and powerlessness and pettiness on an entire religious group. Salaam aleikum!  And Merry Christmas!  And Shalom to yez all.

How much brandy did you put into the Christmas cake? Which version of the holy kran are your reading? It must be an expurgated version. The unexpurgated kran details violence against innocent non-believers and the imposition of sharia; these and other goals are integral to muslim exegetics. Where is the love and appeal to peace in these kranic verses:


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2:216 Fighting is enjoined on you, and is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know. 2:217 They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah's way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever -- these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. 3:4 Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution. 3:10 (As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire. 3:28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Muslims are less tolerant They are happy for us to observe their religious obligations but is intolerant to other people's religious obligations They believe Allah is the only God therefore every must believe so or else they are infidels and we all know what happens to infidels

The big bad Muslims aren't going to take away your Christmas, Maqqa.

Everything will be OK.


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Merry Christmas from Dubai

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Merry Christmas from Pakistan

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Merry Christmas from Egypt

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No Merry Christmas from Saudi Arabia.

Most Middle Eastern countries have freedom of religion, but not Saudi Arabia, having a zero tolerance policy for any religion other than Islam.

Churches and other religious buildings, other than Mosques, are strictly forbidden while displaying religious symbols in public are considered to be crimes punishable by imprisonment, lashings or deportation.

Next year the New Liberated Afghanistan will be having Christmas.

It's strange that Muslims reject Xmas as Jesus is mentioned with great respect
all through their holy Koran.

You want a real Christian Christmas?  because you aren't going to get one.  Christians have done far more damage to their own holy day than any other religion could have possibly done.  Lets have a quick look at some standard "Christian" practices

Christmas Tree: Not mentioned in the bible, comes from Germanic Pagan beliefs
Santa:  Not mentioned in the Bible, old European legend, got his colours from coke to sell bottles in the 30's
Reindeer, snow winter things etc:  Not mentioned in the bible
25th December:  Originally the date of the Winter Solstice from Pagan beliefs, no evidence to suggest this was Jesus' birthday
Three Kings:  Nowhere is it mentioned there are three(they bring three gifts) and they are Magi, not kings
born in a stable:  The word translated to stable has several meanings, so this may not be true.  It could be but the only evidence was that there was a feeding through there, which could have been indoors (this was ancient times after all)


So have fun with your traditional Christian Christmas, just don't forget to remove your Tree, get rid of all reference to Santa and winter and get rid of your completely wrong nativity scene.

Or better yet, just shut up about Muslims destroying Christmas

Stratos wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

25th December:  Originally the date of the Winter Solstice from Pagan beliefs, no evidence to suggest this was Jesus' birthday

March, May, and September have all been suggested as possible months that he was born (if he ever existed at all, that is).

December 25th is certainly not his birth date.

Merry Christmas from Kabul.

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Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 3:08am:

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 11:22pm: Yes, my friends, it is so. It is our sinister plan. Christmas cracker, Boxing Day sale, retail confidence, all. Caliphate is coming to Casurina Square, isn’t it. It is a jolly worlds, no? Gud is great. Fifth Column - Emirates have already stolen the Malbun Cyup, a horse stud or two in the Hunter Valley, and even a football stadium or two... surprised we aren't eating Halal pies at the footie now.... and no alcoholic drinks.... An Australian Travesty... Football, no  pies, kangaroos, no Holden cars....

Ah, my friend, it is baseball, hot dog, apple pie and Chevrolet, isn't it.

Horse stud? Football stadium?

Kabesh! They refuse to assimilate...

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:37am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:08am: Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 11:22pm: Yes, my friends, it is so. It is our sinister plan. Christmas cracker, Boxing Day sale, retail confidence, all. Caliphate is coming to Casurina Square, isn’t it. It is a jolly worlds, no? Gud is great. Fifth Column - Emirates have already stolen the Malbun Cyup, a horse stud or two in the Hunter Valley, and even a football stadium or two... surprised we aren't eating Halal pies at the footie now.... and no alcoholic drinks.... An Australian Travesty... Football, no  pies, kangaroos, no Holden cars.... Ah, my friend, it is baseball, hot dog, apple pie and Chevrolet, isn't it. Horse stud? Football stadium? Kabesh! They refuse to assimilate...

then again, the saudis not letting women drive is something we could try to assimilate from them ;)

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

Merry Christmas from Kabul.

Ah! brother Karnal

Mr Karzai declare

AFGHANISTAN OPEN FOR BUSINESS

Afghanistan land of the free and home of the brave where men wear the white turban swirl as a sign of liberation.

They have the Christmas now...is bothersome to have to buy the sandals for mutter and mutti, always...every year we give the sandals.

What's wrong mutti, you no like?

yes, yes Abdullah my son....but why not white sandals....we have the Amerikana liberation...we are white Afghani peoples now.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 8:37am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 3:08am: Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 11:22pm: Yes, my friends, it is so. It is our sinister plan. Christmas cracker, Boxing Day sale, retail confidence, all. Caliphate is coming to Casurina Square, isn’t it. It is a jolly worlds, no? Gud is great. Fifth Column - Emirates have already stolen the Malbun Cyup, a horse stud or two in the Hunter Valley, and even a football stadium or two... surprised we aren't eating Halal pies at the footie now.... and no alcoholic drinks.... An Australian Travesty... Football, no  pies, kangaroos, no Holden cars.... Ah, my friend, it is baseball, hot dog, apple pie and Chevrolet, isn't it. Horse stud? Football stadium? Kabesh! They refuse to assimilate... then again, the saudis not letting women drive is something we could try to assimilate from them ;)

I agree, dear. It is a rich tapestry, no?

We will have you in a jolly burqa for Christmas.

Do any of you really give a damn about what other religions, faiths, cultures etc think about Christmas, I know I don't? Do you think they care about what Christians do at this time of the year? And do you think they give a crap about what we think about them?......................as Shakespeare  wrote......... "Much Ado About Nothing".

Either enjoy it or STFU....

Oh yes.......Seasons Greetings

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 8:33am: Merry Christmas from Kabul. Ah! brother Karnal Mr Karzai declare AFGHANISTAN OPEN FOR BUSINESS Afghanistan land of the free and home of the brave where men wear the white turban swirl as a sign of liberation. They have the Christmas now...is bothersome to have to buy the sandals for mutter and mutti, always...every year we give the sandals. What's wrong mutti, you no like? yes, yes Abdullah my son....but why not white sandals....we have the Amerikana liberation...we are white Afghani peoples now.

Yes, Aunty, it is so. Afghanistan is open for business.

Sir! Please come to my shop!

Carpet, sir?

Hashish? Brown sugar?

Come! Dancing boy!

Assassination?

viewpoint wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 9:00am:

Do any of you really give a damn about what other religions, faiths, cultures etc think about Christmas, I know I don't? Do you think they care about what Christians do at this time of the year? And do you think they give a crap about what we think about them?......................as Shakespeare  wrote......... "Much Ado About Nothing". Either enjoy it or STFU.... Oh yes.......Seasons Greetings

Matty cares.

Matty cares about all Australians.

The Muslims have ruined Mattie's Christmas, do you mind?

Matty will be prime minister one day, his number one pre election policy will be to get our Christmas back.

Hurry up Matty........we need our Christmas prawns NOW!!!!

You are a prawn......a whinging whining prawn......so STFU!

Stratos wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

You want a real Christian Christmas?  because you aren't going to get one.  Christians have done far more damage to their own holy day than any other religion could have possibly done.  Lets have a quick look at some standard "Christian" practices Christmas Tree: Not mentioned in the bible, comes from Germanic Pagan beliefs Santa:  Not mentioned in the Bible, old European legend, got his colours from coke to sell bottles in the 30's Reindeer, snow winter things etc:  Not mentioned in the bible 25th December:  Originally the date of the Winter Solstice from Pagan beliefs, no evidence to suggest this was Jesus' birthday Three Kings:  Nowhere is it mentioned there are three(they bring three gifts) and they are Magi, not kings born in a stable:  The word translated to stable has several meanings, so this may not be true.  It could be but the only evidence was that there was a feeding through there, which could have been indoors (this was ancient times after all) So have fun with your traditional Christian Christmas, just don't forget to remove your Tree, get rid of all reference to Santa and winter and get rid of your completely wrong nativity scene. Or better yet, just shut up about Muslims destroying Christmas

 

good post

Maqqa wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

They are happy for us to observe their religious obligations but is intolerant to other people's religious obligations They believe Allah is the only God

Whilst the concept may be hard to GRASP - from an intellectual level - the "children of Abraham" Jews, Christians and Muslims) worship ONE GOD


There is NO Jewish G-d, Christian God and Muslim Allah




They are ONE in the SAME

Maqqa wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

They believe Allah is the only God

maqqa.......Allah=God

it's the prophet that they all argue about not the god

when the jews christians and muslims pray, they pray to the same bloke

The first lesson of warfare....know thine enemy

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 9:00am: Do any of you really give a damn about what other religions, faiths, cultures etc think about Christmas, I know I don't? Do you think they care about what Christians do at this time of the year? And do you think they give a crap about what we think about them?......................as Shakespeare  wrote......... "Much Ado About Nothing". Either enjoy it or STFU.... Oh yes.......Seasons Greetings Matty cares. Matty cares about all Australians. The Muslims have ruined Mattie's Christmas, do you mind?

I agree. The leftards should stop raining on Matty's parade, it's so unfair. Matty was having a nice Christmas until the leftards came along to try to spoil it for him.

Typical.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Muslims are less tolerant

You don't seem to be very tolerant.

Are you a Muslim?    :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 23rd, 2013 at 10:16pm: Muslims are less tolerant You don't seem to be very tolerant. Are you a Muslim?    :-/

I think he is. These people are always trying to spoil our fun. We should have every right to worship our Santas and Christmas trees and snowmen. We have every right to our Christmas lights and our VB and our annual bouts of Christmas DV. Who are these people to complain?

I blame the leftards.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1520132/thumbs/o-XMAS-570.jpg

That would be right. Brush me off as a far right loon and ignore the deal damage that is being done to this country, and the undermining of the Chritian ethics upon which out great country was founded.

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

ignore the deal damage that is being done to this country, and the undermining of the Chritian ethics upon which out great country was founded.

[citation needed]

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Brush me off as a far right loon ...

Well, yes!    ::)



matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

... ignore the real damage that is being done to this country, and the undermining of the Christian ethics upon which out great country was founded.

Where? What? When?    :-/

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

Muslim Christmas celebrations gain a toehold

December 23, 2013



http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/45765d44bc9e910c0da542200b6df2f376bb39c2/c=0-141-450-480&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/test/2013/12/23//1387840563000-thumbRNS-MUSLIM-CHRISTMAS122313.jpg



A generation or two ago, when America's Muslims were new immigrants who made up an even smaller minority of Americans than they do today, the lights, trees, carols, gifts and festive spirit of Christmas were viewed by many Muslims as a threat to their children's Islamic faith.

But these days, a growing number of Muslims celebrate Christmas, or at least partake in some ways, even if they don't decorate their homes with trees and a light show. Indeed, many Muslim families have created their own unique Christmas traditions.

"I teach my three children, who attend public school and happen to be born into an interfaith Christian-Muslim family, that we absolutely do celebrate Christmas because we are Muslim," Hannah Hawk of Houston wrote in an email. Rather than putting up a tree or lights, "we celebrate the reason for the season, Jesus, by studying all that is written about him in the Quran and by examining historical theories."


The Hawks also give to charity, bake treats for neighbors, invite them to dinner, and wish friends, colleagues and teachers "Merry Christmas" with cards and phone calls.

Hawk's kids get together with Christian friends to perform various good deeds. This year, they will play songs (violins, viola, trumpet, cellos, bells) at a local community hospital for patients recovering from surgery.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/23/muslim-christmas-celebrations/4182087/

why wouldn't Muslims celebrate Christmas? Jesus is one of their prophets. I think the real damage is being done by those trying to be politically correct with limited understanding. Muslims don't hate Christmas.

ian wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

why wouldn't Muslims celebrate Christmas? Jesus is one of their prophets. I think the real damage is being done by those trying to be politically correct with limited understanding. Muslims don't hate Christmas.

That's true ian with the small i, matty has much to learn before he becomes prime minister, after all, we wouldn't want to cause trouble with our Muslim brothers and sisters.

So can anyone actually produce anything from any of the schools or preschools that take an anti-christian approach to the christmas period.  I hear a lot of this crap but none of it seems to be factual.

Verge wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

So can anyone actually produce anything from any of the schools or preschools that take an anti-christian approach to the christmas period.  I hear a lot of this crap but none of it seems to be factual.

Nope.

Certainly not anything that's instigated by Muslims: they couldn't care less what we do at Christmas.

Matty talks about "the real damage that is being done to this country, and the undermining of the Christian ethics upon which out great country was founded" yet, when asked to explain further or provide some proof, he goes silent.

It's just ignorant Islamophobes stirring up trouble and trying to demonise Muslims.

Sad and pathetic.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

matty wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:30am: Brush me off as a far right loon ... Well, yes!    ::) matty wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:30am: ... ignore the real damage that is being done to this country, and the undermining of the Christian ethics upon which out great country was founded. Where? What? When?    :-/

Well I am not a far right loon.

Look at the Western suburbs of Sydney, like Fairfield, Bankstiwn, Greenacre etc... Also a woman called up Ben Fordham on 2GB saying that her son,s preschool wouldn,t say Merry Christmas because it could offend Muslims.

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Also a woman called up Ben Fordham on 2GB saying that her son,s preschool wouldn,t say Merry Christmas because it could offend Muslims.

Oh good, something at last to see where you get your info.  Shame it's based on one single talkback comment I'm sure can't be verified.

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Look at the Western suburbs of Sydney, like Fairfield, Bankstiwn, Greenacre etc

Look at what?

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:18pm: matty wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:30am: Brush me off as a far right loon ... Well, yes!    ::) matty wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 11:30am: ... ignore the real damage that is being done to this country, and the undermining of the Christian ethics upon which out great country was founded. Where? What? When?    :-/ Well I am not a far right loon. Look at the Western suburbs of Sydney, like Fairfield, Bankstiwn, Greenacre etc... Also a woman called up Ben Fordham on 2GB saying that her son,s preschool wouldn,t say Merry Christmas because it could offend Muslims.

I have no idea what a Ben Fordham is.

However, did the Muslims ask the preschool to stop saying 'Merry Christmas' or did the idiots running the preschool make that executive decision on their behalf?

And, what are you saying about those suburbs you mentioned (I'm from Sydney originally).

I'm not sure about the preschool, all that I know is what I have said.

Also, I am not from Sydney but know all about those suburbs, and have lived nearby before. In the shopping centres there, it's just Muslims everywhere and they try to intimidate non-Muslims and act as if they own the place. Christmas carols are no longer played, and nativity sets no longer displayed.

Let's also not forget when the Muslim men in Cronullatried to prevent other people from using the same rock pool that their wives were using. Other people have spoken out about these and other things, like Alan Jones, Fred Nile, Pauline Hanson. It's not far right loons, as the left try to pretend.

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Other people have spoken out about these and other things, like Alan Jones, Fred Nile, Pauline Hanson. It's not far right loons, as the left try to pretend.

You're a funny bugger, matty.

Right after naming three far right loons, you say "it's not far right loons".

How do you hold a straight face?

;D

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

... it's just Muslims everywhere and they try to intimidate non-Muslims ...

What do they do?

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

I'm not sure about the preschool, all that I know is what I have said.

Yeah, so your one point is invalid.  Good start


matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Also, I am not from Sydney but know all about those suburbs

Um, so you don't live there yet know about these things how exactly?


matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

In the shopping centres there, it's just Muslims everywhere and they try to intimidate non-Muslims and act as if they own the place

[citation needed]


matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Christmas carols are no longer played, and nativity sets no longer displayed.

seriously?  They are almost everywhere I have been in the past few months  Nativity is unbiblical by the way, see my previous post.  If you really cared about biblical Christianity you wouldn't support a misrepresentation of the birth of your Lord and Savior anyway.  More to the direct point, how do you know this is the case if you don't live there?


matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Let's also not forget when the Muslim men in Cronullatried to prevent other people from using the same rock pool that their wives were using.

Come now Matty, be a sport and stop moving the goalposts.  After all, you were claiming Muslims were destroying Christmas a minute ago.


matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Alan Jones, Fred Nile, Pauline Hanson. It's not far right loons, as the left try to pretend.

Considering you think these people are not far right loons, I'm curious as to what your definition of one would be Matty.   

Still got nothing Matty.

Most of the Muslims and Jews in Australia that I know celebrate Xmas these days.
In fact Im a godless communist who thinks that anyone that believes in the Jewish/Muslim/Christian God is clinically insane and that Jesus was a Mooch who conned his followers so he never had to do a days work in his life but Im still happy to go along with Xmas  :D

adelcrow wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 5:03pm:

Im a godless communist who thinks that anyone that believes in the Jewish/Muslim/Christian God is clinically insane and that Jesus was a Mooch who conned his followers so he never had to do a days work in his life ...

Snap!

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

That's true ian with the small i,  .

Ive never had any complaints about the size of my i  ;)

ian wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:22pm: That's true ian with the small i,  . Ive never had any complaints about the size of my i  ;)

anus

Basically, rich white Westerners built up a a fabulously wealthy society and poor brown people are now coming to cash in on it.
The western left is keen to help the brown casher inners wherever they can, to them even a head lopping taliban is preferable to a white conservative such is there incurable lefty sickness. 

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Basically, rich white Westerners built up a a fabulously wealthy society and poor brown people are now coming to cash in on it. The western left is keen to help the brown casher inners wherever they can, to them even a head lopping taliban is preferable to a white conservative such is there incurable lefty sickness.

Im not big on a religion created by a handful of Arabs wandering around in the small corner of a desert a few thousand years ago.
First came Judaism which gave birth to Christianity and then Islam..all originating from the same handful of hallucinating Camel buggering Arabs..Thats Xmas for ya  :D

ian wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:22pm: That's true ian with the small i,  . Ive never had any complaints about the size of my i  ;)

intellect

are you sure?

Sparky wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

ian wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 5:50pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:22pm: That's true ian with the small i,  . Ive never had any complaints about the size of my i  ;) anus

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OCd2sO92KZI/TPWHmUzkVfI/AAAAAAAADpc/Iwu9ntkwPR4/s1600/vlcsnap-2010-11-30-07h14m13s156.png

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

ian wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 5:50pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:22pm: That's true ian with the small i,  . Ive never had any complaints about the size of my i  ;) intellect are you sure?

that either

Peace of Earth Goodwill towards men

naaah, thanks anyway

Weird.  We spend 364 days of every year beating the sheet out of each other, and there is some eerie expectation that on the 365th, we go all gooey at the kneecaps.

Nah.

:)

Aussie wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Weird.  We spend 364 days of every year beating the sheet out of each other, and there is some eerie expectation that on the 365th, we go all gooey at the kneecaps. Nah. :)

Yeah.

bugger Jesus; bring it on retarded right.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 6:56pm: Weird.  We spend 364 days of every year beating the sheet out of each other, and there is some eerie expectation that on the 365th, we go all gooey at the kneecaps. Nah. :) Yeah. bugger Jesus; bring it on retarded right.

Hang on Mr Peccary.  Yev been a very, very naughty boy, lately.  But, still.............I do hope Santa leaves something for you.

You children better be good

Do all things good children should

Be careful of what you say and do

Cause...Santa Claus is watching you.

red baron wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

You children better be good Do all things good children should Be careful of what you say and do Cause...Santa Claus is watching you.

Nobody is watching anybody dick brain, if you didn't grow out of that santa claus sh#t by age six then I'm afraid you're buggered for life, the best thing you could do is stop peddling idiotic shite like this altogether,  lets try and get humanity back o n track instead of leading them down the f#ckin garden path.

Why do Muslims want to destroy Christmas?

Sorry mate I live in Australia?...what exactly is Christmas?

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:04pm:

Nobody is watching anybody dick brain, if you didn't grow out of that santa claus sh#t by age six then I'm afraid you're buggered for life, the best thing you could do is stop peddling idiotic shite like this altogether,  lets try and get humanity back o n track instead of leading them down the f#ckin garden path.

good point.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:04pm:

lets try and get humanity back o n track

Be interested to read your ideas on this.

From what I see you post it would relegate "Mein Kampf" to a footnote.

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

That would be right. Brush me off as a far right loon and ignore the deal damage that is being done to this country, and the undermining of the Chritian ethics upon which out great country was founded.

Yes, Matty, the leftards will try to do just that. How pathetic they all are. Just imagine - they want to undermine the Christian values that undermined the Aboriginal values that undermined the - what?

We’ll never know.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

brumbie wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 8:11pm:

Why do Muslims want to destroy Christmas? Sorry mate I live in Australia?...what exactly is Christmas?

It’s a pagan festival called the Winter Solstice. The Romans changed to a god called Jesus Christ and decided to put his birthday on the existing holiday.

Don’t tell Matty. He gets really touchy about it.

Didn't know that a Palestinian carpenter was a god. I must have perused the bible too pragmatically.

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

These people come here and think that they can just destroy Christian values and ruin holidays for others. And the sad part is that many non-Muslims seem to encourage this by pandering to them. Many preschools and schools refuse to call the holidays the 'Christmas Holidays' any longer, because apparently it is politically incorrect. In addition, many malls and shopping centres no longer play Christmas carols, especially the more religious ones that talk about the birth of the Saviour Jesus Christ. This country was founded on Christian ethics and values, and sadly we seem to be losing them. Muslims are like a cancer, too, they just spread and spread and try to take over, and unfortunately, many are letting them do it.

Wrong darling. Australia was founded on forced labour of criminals and genocide of blacks. Not a Santa in sight then.

Im always happy to continue to celebrate all of the holidays Christianity has stolen because they have no real days of significance of their own.
Harvest celebrations and the change of seasons always seem to loom large on the significant and ancient celebrations Christians have stolen to mark the existence of their imagined deities.
Lets face it...if Jesus did exist he was only the leader of a weird insignificant cult that went around mooching off the hard working people of the time and as such was really no different from the nutbag cult leaders of today.

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 12:38am:

Didn't know that a Palestinian carpenter was a god. I must have perused the bible too pragmatically.

Im no expert but dont Christians claim that Jesus was the embodiment of God rather than a prophet?
Thats what has had them at odds with Judaism since day one.
The Jews and Muslims say Jesus was a prophet of god like Moses and Mohammad where as the Christians say that he was God. Like I said..Im no expert on these things but Im sure thats pretty close to it.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 5:25am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 12:38am: Didn't know that a Palestinian carpenter was a god. I must have perused the bible too pragmatically. Im no expert but dont Christians claim that Jesus was the embodiment of God rather than a prophet? Thats what has had them at odds with Judaism since day one. The Jews and Muslims say Jesus was a prophet of god like Moses and Mohammad where as the Christians say that he was God. Like I said..Im no expert on these things but Im sure thats pretty close to it.

Jews do not accept Jesus was a prophet.
He is rejected as a false messiah.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 5:58am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 5:25am: UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 12:38am: Didn't know that a Palestinian carpenter was a god. I must have perused the bible too pragmatically. Im no expert but dont Christians claim that Jesus was the embodiment of God rather than a prophet? Thats what has had them at odds with Judaism since day one. The Jews and Muslims say Jesus was a prophet of god like Moses and Mohammad where as the Christians say that he was God. Like I said..Im no expert on these things but Im sure thats pretty close to it. Jews do not accept Jesus was a prophet. He is rejected as a false messiah.

Well I did say i was no expert..my info on Christianity comes from crazy Catholics I have known who quite frankly seem even more confused about the whole thing than I do  :D

Ive hardly met a muslim who talks negative about Christmas.

Most don't give a poo about Christmas just like the rest of most Australians.

Actaully muslims love Christmas.They get a extra day off or they get double the wages lol.

wally1 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 8:06am:

Ive hardly met a muslim who talks negative about Christmas. Most don't give a poo about Christmas just like the rest of most Australians. Actaully muslims love Christmas.They get a extra day off or they get double the wages lol.

One thing it would show them is how small Islam is in Australia.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 5:25am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 12:38am: Didn't know that a Palestinian carpenter was a god. I must have perused the bible too pragmatically. Im no expert but dont Christians claim that Jesus was the embodiment of God rather than a prophet? Thats what has had them at odds with Judaism since day one. The Jews and Muslims say Jesus was a prophet of god like Moses and Mohammad where as the Christians say that he was God. Like I said. I'm no expert on these things but Im sure thats pretty close to it.

I'm pretty sure that Christians mainly see Jesus as the "son of God" -- as in God impregnating the Virgin Mary. The very thought of people thinking that Jesus IS God is a new concept to me. I thought it a severe understatement of potential, back when I was attending church. As an atheist, I find it laughable.

matty wrote on Dec 24^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Well I am not a far right loon. Look at the Western suburbs of Sydney, like Fairfield, Bankstiwn, Greenacre etc... Also a woman called up Ben Fordham on 2GB saying that her son,s preschool wouldn,t say Merry Christmas because it could offend Muslims.

If you are not a far right loony matty why have you got this in your signature


Quote:

Proud member of the religious right.

The religious right are loony trying to push their religious beliefs down everyone throats

John S wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:05am:

matty wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 4:05pm: Well I am not a far right loon. Look at the Western suburbs of Sydney, like Fairfield, Bankstiwn, Greenacre etc... Also a woman called up Ben Fordham on 2GB saying that her son,s preschool wouldn,t say Merry Christmas because it could offend Muslims. If you are not a far right loony matty why have you got this in your signature Quote: Proud member of the religious right. The religious right are loony trying to push their religious beliefs down everyone throats

That's true, Wise One. Matty originally meant to put proud member of the loony right.

He was advised to write religious right - much better.

He has a career to think of, you know.

wally1 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2013 at 8:06am:

Actaully muslims love Christmas.They get a extra day off or they get double the wages lol.

I didn't know you could get double time on centrelink.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:23am:

wally1 wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 8:06am: Actaully muslims love Christmas.They get a extra day off or they get double the wages lol. I didn't know you could get double time on centrelink.

If you on any centrelink benefits for 10 years you can get long service not many people know that but you have to apply for it personally it is not automatic

John S wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 10:23am: wally1 wrote on Dec 25th, 2013 at 8:06am: Actaully muslims love Christmas.They get a extra day off or they get double the wages lol. I didn't know you could get double time on centrelink. If you on any centrelink benefits for 10 years you can get long service not many people know that but you have to apply for it personally it is not automatic

;D

It is only the fanatic & the dumb muslims who want to sabotage xmas. In Malaysia for instance they love xmas.
We have dumb people & fanatics in every racial/religious group. In fact, all round, Australia must have more dumb people per square inch than just about everywhere . .except certain parts of the US.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

In Malaysia for instance they love xmas.

Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism.

If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

actually they have a very discriminatory society. Racial discrimination in favour of Bumiputras (ethnic Malays) is actually legislated and promoted by the government.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

>:( >:(  Complete CRAPP   ;)

Are they any relation to brahmaputras? My favourite, not that this has anything to do with it, is the punkawallah.
Every good home should have a punkawallah. Imagine the energy saving.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

Malaysian police detain Myanmar nationals after unrest

Updated Thu 6 Jun 2013, 9:09pm AEST



Map:  Burma


Malaysian police have detained more than 900 Myanmar nationals in the capital Kuala Lumpur after a series of deadly clashes between Buddhist and Muslim groups.

Amar Singh, Kuala Lumpur's deputy police chief, says he doesn't want the violence to spread into Malaysia.

"The operation is to send a clear message to stop this nonsense," he said.

Police say four people have been killed and several others seriously injured in violence suspected to be linked to ongoing ethnic tensions in Myanmar.

U Maung Hla, head of the Burma Refugee Organisation in Malaysia, says violence between Myanmar refugee communities in Malaysia is not uncommon and is "sometimes due to religion".

Police have not provided details on the attacks but Malaysian media reports have suggested Buddhists came under attack from their Muslim countrymen seeking vengeance over violence in Myanmar.

The victims of religious tensions in Myanmar have mostly been Rohingya Muslims, but authorities in Malaysia say the victims in their country are Buddhists.

Violence against Rohingya Muslims, labelled by the United Nations as one of the world's most persecuted minorities, erupted in western Rakhine state last year and has spread across the country.

Thousands of the Muslim minority have escaped the violence and harsh living conditions by fleeing to Muslim-majority Malaysia.

The UNHCR says about 23,000 Rohingya Muslims are registered as refugees in Malaysia, but Malaysian authorities estimate more than 80,000 Myanmar nationals are living in the country.

AFP/Reuters

Topics: unrest-conflict-and-war, government-and-politics, burma, asia

First posted Thu 6 Jun 2013, 8:00pm AEST
 



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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:11am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony.

Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along...

You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony...

I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Are they any relation to brahmaputras? My favourite, not that this has anything to do with it, is the punkawallah. Every good home should have a punkawallah. Imagine the energy saving.

Lol, no. Literally means "sons of the soil" in malay.

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:11am: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony. Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along... You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony... I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS.

That's just security at banks and the new shopping malls. We have the same here.

It's got nothing to do with multiculturalism.

Malaysia is one of the safest places in the world for lone female travelers and the further you go off the beaten track, the safer you feel.

Purse snatching in the capital.....big deal. All  capital cities have that problem, even my regional town has had an increase in the last two years.

It is you that has no idea.....you needed a visa and an immigration card to get entry into Malaysia.....yeah right. Internet travel is vastly different to the real thing longy.

Multicultural harmony.....Malaysia has it.

They integrate better, you can have an Indian shop next to a middle eastern restaurant next to an Anglican church next to a mosque next to a Chinese medicine man.....all getting along just fine.

Here you can have an entire shire protest because they don't want a mosque in their street.

I think your nose is out of joint because not one complains about the other, harmony is not in your dna, it would make you feel better if they were racist....isn't that how everyone should be?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

Quantum wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:44am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:11am: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony. Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along... You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony... I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS. That's just security at banks and the new shopping malls. We have the same here.

Rubbish. I dare you to find a picture of a security guard standing at the door of a shop with a shotgun in Australia. I have never walked into a Myer and had someone standing in the doorway with a shotgun. While you are at, show some pictures of men in military style uniform with machine guns standing on street corners of a city in Australia. You are a terrible liar.


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It's got nothing to do with multiculturalism. Malaysia is one of the safest places in the world for lone female travelers and the further you go off the beaten track, the safer you feel. Purse snatching in the capital.....big deal. All  capital cities have that problem, even my regional town has had an increase in the last two years. It is you that has no idea.....you needed a visa and an immigration card to get entry into Malaysia.....yeah right. Internet travel is vastly different to the real thing longy.

What the hell are you going on about? I said no such thing.

Oh that's right, you are still saying the same BS about how I am longweekend. You're the only one who believes that delusion and it is becoming a weak and transparent deflection to avoid explaining your ridiculous testimonies.


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Multicultural harmony.....Malaysia has it. They integrate better, you can have an Indian shop next to a middle eastern restaurant next to an Anglican church next to a mosque next to a Chinese medicine man.....all getting along just fine. Here you can have an entire shire protest because they don't want a mosque in their street. I think your nose is out of joint because not one complains about the other, harmony is not in your dna, it would make you feel better if they were racist....isn't that how everyone should be?

They are racist. This is why I'm the one calling you out on being an Internet traveler. You have clearly never been there.

It's not as nice as Pansi says, it's not as bad as Quantum makes out.

Like most issues, it seems to be somewhere between the two.

It is YOU who are racist.

You may have been to KL on business at best, staying in a five star resort....that's no way to experience any country. You have no idea about the real Malaysia outside of the tourist traps.

I travel on public transport when I'm in Asia and I've seen Muslims  give their seat to Indians, Chinese,  Europeans and vice versa....they respect others cultures.

What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe and I'm yet to see a guard challenge anyone let alone pull the gun. This has absolutely nothing to do with all these ethnic groups and cultures living together in harmony.

Anyway, keep your racist views to yourself, I'm not interested.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

It is YOU who are racist. You may have been to KL on business at best, staying in a five star resort....that's no way to experience any country. You have no idea about the real Malaysia outside of the tourist traps. I travel on public transport when I'm in Asia and I've seen Muslims  give their seat to Indians, Chinese,  Europeans and vice versa....they respect others cultures. What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe and I'm yet to see a guard challenge anyone let alone pull the gun. This has absolutely nothing to do with all these ethnic groups and cultures living together in harmony. Anyway, keep your racist views to yourself, I'm not interested.

Well if you are not interested then don't read it.

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:11am: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony. Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along... You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony... I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS.

Malaysia has had a rise in crime recently, but more due to illegal immigration. But Pansi has a point, in that the 3 main groups, the malays, indians and Chinese, do live in harmony together and have for quite some time.

You need to understand an issue before coming to your conclusion.  the crime in Malaysia is more the result of poor governance of a corrupt conservative government that refuses to give up power.  It is this corruption that leads to poor police work, illegal immigration, and the result of private security to protect shop fronts.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Quantum wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:44am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:11am: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony. Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along... You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony... I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS. Malaysia has had a rise in crime recently, but more due to illegal immigration. But Pansi has a point, in that the 3 main groups, the malays, indians and Chinese, do live in harmony together and have for quite some time. You need to understand an issue before coming to your conclusion.  the crime in Malaysia is more the result of poor governance of a corrupt conservative government that refuses to give up power.  It is this corruption that leads to poor police work, illegal immigration, and the result of private security to protect shop fronts.

i personally know 3 malays who now live in australia,  they all converted to islam whilst in malaysia as they noted it was ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to advance in a civil service career in that country without being  (at least nominally)  a muslim.

wonder how the muslim loving lefties would feel if you ABSOLUTELY had to be baptised a christian to advance in our public service. ;)

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

It's not as nice as Pansi says, it's not as bad as Quantum makes out. Like most issues, it seems to be somewhere between the two.

You can't compare Australia to Asia, it's different.....it's Asia.

Kuala Lumpur is  a city of 6 million and a lot of those people live in poverty, of course there will be crime, but I was pointing out that as a place with such a diverse  population, it's pretty damn good.  They work and live well together.

Quantum would probably say Australians are not racist.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:53am: Quantum wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:44am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 9:11am: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:58am: In Malaysia for instance they love xmas. Malaysians don't love Christianity as such, they love consumerism. If there's an opportunity to sell, they'll take it, whatever the excuse, although it is a multicultural society, one of the best examples where many nations can live together in harmony. Harmony? In Malaysia? I guess that's why they have blokes standing on street corners with machine guns and why the larger shops have blokes with shot guns standing at the door. Because everyone just gets along... You're right that selling is a big thing there. If you are a white tourist they will all but kiss your feet at the door knowing that you have big money. Of course they will chase the cheap locals out the same door as they bend over to serve your every need. Such harmony... I seriously wonder if you spend as much time in Asia as you make out. You either are blind to all the issues going on in these places or all your knowledge comes from holiday brochures. I acknowledge that there are many on this forum who have an unjustified hate of Asia and can see no good in any Asian nation at all, but your blind love for the place is just crap. You must think no one else has seen these countries to call you out on your BS. Malaysia has had a rise in crime recently, but more due to illegal immigration. But Pansi has a point, in that the 3 main groups, the malays, indians and Chinese, do live in harmony together and have for quite some time. You need to understand an issue before coming to your conclusion.  the crime in Malaysia is more the result of poor governance of a corrupt conservative government that refuses to give up power.  It is this corruption that leads to poor police work, illegal immigration, and the result of private security to protect shop fronts. i personally know 3 malays who now live in australia,  they all converted to islam whilst in malaysia as they noted it was ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to advance in a civil service career in that country without being  (at least nominally)  a muslim. wonder how the muslim loving lefties would feel if you ABSOLUTELY had to be baptised a christian to advance in our public service. ;)

I'm not sure how the malays converted to islam to become civil servants, given it is LAW in Malaysia that ALL malays instantly become muslim.


BUt it wouldn"T surprise me that civil servant jobs are handed out on a bribe-like nature as opposed to "merit".  Again thanks to the great corruption within the government that has exsted for decades.  Don't tell Tony, apparently they are a very true democracy and a very good fwiend.

And btw, you're talking about an orange and an apple. Under no circumstances is Malaysia a secular  state.  Yet, we are.

Malyaysia is an extremely racist country, racism is legislated by the government.  besides which Kl has a population of 1.6 m. Not 6m. And crime is a huge problem there, 30 years ago armed robberies were unheard of in Malaysia, now they are a daily occurrence. The whole place works but compared to most Asian countries they have a very low population density.

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

Malyaysia is an extremely racist country, racism is legislated by the government.  besides which Kl has a population of 1.6 m. Not 6m. And crime is a huge problem there, 30 years ago armed robberies were unheard of in Malaysia, now they are a daily occurrence. The whole place works but compared to most Asian countries they have a very low population density.

When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m.

It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See?

And again, all issues point to the actual government.  Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly.   And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other.

Stratos wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

It's not as nice as Pansi says, it's not as bad as Quantum makes out. Like most issues, it seems to be somewhere between the two.

And what have I said to make out it is bad?

Are there not armed guards in shops? Are there not men with machine guns on city street corners? They are there for a reason and it is because the place is not a utopia. 

I'm not trying to paint maylasia as a terrible place. I have certianly injoyed my times there. But I'm sick to death of Pansi and her Asian love that paints everything as being perfect. She is a complete BS artist who has either never been there, or if she has, she has never left the tourist areas.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

i personally know 3 malays who now live in australia,  they all converted to islam whilst in malaysia as they noted it was ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to advance in a civil service career in that country without being  (at least nominally)  a muslim. wonder how the muslim loving lefties would feel if you ABSOLUTELY had to be baptised a christian to advance in our public service. ;)

Not quite, the laws are racially not religiously based. The law presumes all ethnic malays are muslim. If not Muslim then not classed as Bumiputra.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m. It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See? And again, all issues point to the actual government.  Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly.   And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other.

Incorrect, you are thinking of the Klang valley not KL, the Klang valley includes adjoining cities and towns also, its like saying Newcastle is part of Sydney.

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I'm not trying to paint maylasia as a terrible place. I have certianly injoyed my times there. But I'm sick to death of Pansi and her Asian love that paints everything as being perfect. She is a complete BS artist who has either never been there, or if she has, she has never left the tourist areas.

Lets just agree it's not perfect.  my partner grew up in Malaysia as a non-Muslim and turned out just fine.  had a few stories about corruption in the police but nothing seemed too dangerous or nasty

Anyway, we all agree Pansi is talking out of her backside.

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:23am: When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m. It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See? And again, all issues point to the actual government.  Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly.   And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other. Incorrect, you are thinking of the Klang valley not KL, the Klang valley includes adjoining cities and towns also, its like saying Newcastle is part of Sydney.

Just like Melbourne has adjoining cities. But guess what, we still refer to the entire area as Melbourne, even though it isn't. It's like LA. Same thing. LA has 16million, but in actual fact LA is around 3 mil.

Quantum wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:32am: It's not as nice as Pansi says, it's not as bad as Quantum makes out. Like most issues, it seems to be somewhere between the two. And what have I said to make out it is bad? Are there not armed guards in shops? Are there not men with machine guns on city street corners? They are there for a reason and it is because the place is not a utopia.  I'm not trying to paint maylasia as a terrible place. I have certianly injoyed my times there. But I'm sick to death of Pansi and her Asian love that paints everything as being perfect. She is a complete BS artist who has either never been there, or if she has, she has never left the tourist areas.

I didn't say Asia is perfect. It has its good and bad points like all countries.

I said Malaysia is multiculturally harmonious.


I've trounced nearly every corner of that city and I've never seen men with machine guns. Most security guards are sound asleep in a corner somewhere.

Apart from Bukit Bintang/Bintang walk/China Town/Brickfields there are no tourist areas, they are just suburbs. The money exchanges (and there are many) don't have armed guards.

There's not even armed guards at Petronas Tower, just security guards.

What corners are these armed guards standing on?

You make it sound like Cambodia after Pol Pot.

KL is actually a very boring city, people can't wait to leave, yet you make it sound like some war zone.

All of SE Asia has strong security or haven't you noticed this?

Try telling us what Iceland is like, there's a good chance no one on the forum has been there.

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Anyway, we all agree Pansi is talking out of her backside.

Not really. Malaysia is definitely a multicultural goldmine. You can't blame the people for their government in this case, and once they get rid of "our great fwiends' then perhaps you'll actually see a reduction in crime and the removal of these phucked up policies.

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

Anyway, we all agree Pansi is talking out of her backside.

....says ian who filled in an immigration card and got a visa.......nothing suss about that?

Get off the internet and go for a REAL trip, it will broaden your horizon.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe

Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage.

As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here].

Why do the loony fringe hate religion so much?? The only one they accept is the Christian fairy tale.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:46am: What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here].

As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [hasn't been proven by any study that armed security guards actually decrease crime rates].

Now [insert here Misty's attempt at smearing all statisticians, social scientists, etc. etc. with a progressives comment].

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:46am: What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here]. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [hasn't been proven by any study that armed security guards actually decrease crime rates]. Now [insert here Misty's attempt at smearing all statisticians, social scientists, etc. etc. with a progressives comment].

Then perhaps you need to condemn Malaysia for unjustifiably being tough on crime. But, that would be racist eh? We can criticise whitey 'til the cows come home, but no siree Bob for non-whitey.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:46am: What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here].

Perhaps its her backhanded way of saying all those little brown muslims fill her with dread, so she needs armed men to put her at ease.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:18pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:46am: What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here]. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [hasn't been proven by any study that armed security guards actually decrease crime rates]. Now [insert here Misty's attempt at smearing all statisticians, social scientists, etc. etc. with a progressives comment]. Then perhaps you need to condemn Malaysia for unjustifiably being tough on crime. But, that would be racist eh? We can criticise whitey 'til the cows come home, but no siree Bob for non-whitey.

You clearly don't know how to read? Perhaps start from about 2 pages back, then come back ehre, and explain to us in a nicely fashioned essay why you feel I have not condemed Malaysia's government as full of crap?

... wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:46am: What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here]. Perhaps its her backhanded way of saying all those little brown muslims fill her with dread, so she needs armed men to put her at ease.

lol. yeah. Probably unconscious racism.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:45am:

ian wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:30am: Anyway, we all agree Pansi is talking out of her backside. ....says ian who filled in an immigration card and got a visa.......nothing suss about that? Get off the internet and go for a REAL trip, it will broaden your horizon.

Not sure  what you are talking about pansi with the big L, I lived and worked in both Malaysia and Indonesia for years and have been travelling to these countries for decades.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:26pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:18pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:46am: What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here]. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [hasn't been proven by any study that armed security guards actually decrease crime rates]. Now [insert here Misty's attempt at smearing all statisticians, social scientists, etc. etc. with a progressives comment]. Then perhaps you need to condemn Malaysia for unjustifiably being tough on crime. But, that would be racist eh? We can criticise whitey 'til the cows come home, but no siree Bob for non-whitey. You clearly don't know how to read? Perhaps start from about 2 pages back, then come back ehre, and explain to us in a nicely fashioned essay why you feel I have not condemed Malaysia's government as full of crap?

I don't recall you writing anything on armed guards. 

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:32pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:26pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:18pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 12:15pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 10:46am: What is your problem with armed security guards? they make me feel safe Lol. Imagine Campbell Newman passing legislation here for armed security guards for shopping centres. Pansi would explode with rage. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [insert trendy lefty excuse here]. As usual, non-Western countries are allowed to be tough on crime, but Western countries can't because it's just [hasn't been proven by any study that armed security guards actually decrease crime rates]. Now [insert here Misty's attempt at smearing all statisticians, social scientists, etc. etc. with a progressives comment]. Then perhaps you need to condemn Malaysia for unjustifiably being tough on crime. But, that would be racist eh? We can criticise whitey 'til the cows come home, but no siree Bob for non-whitey. You clearly don't know how to read? Perhaps start from about 2 pages back, then come back ehre, and explain to us in a nicely fashioned essay why you feel I have not condemed Malaysia's government as full of crap? I don't recall you writing anything on armed guards.

That's probably a comprehension fail on your behalf :(  Did I not explain the cause of people feeling they need to?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

[ I said Malaysia is multiculturally harmonious. I've trounced nearly every corner of that city and I've never seen men with machine guns. Most security guards are sound asleep in a corner somewhere. Apart from Bukit Bintang/Bintang walk/China Town/Brickfields there are no tourist areas, they are just suburbs. The money exchanges (and there are many) don't have armed guards. There's not even armed guards at Petronas Tower, just security guards. What corners are these armed guards standing on? You make it sound like Cambodia after Pol Pot. KL is actually a very boring city, people can't wait to leave, yet you make it sound like some war zone. All of SE Asia has strong security or haven't you noticed this? Try telling us what Iceland is like, there's a good chance no one on the forum has been there.

You are fabricating all of this, armed guards are common outside businesses such as money lenders and jewlery shops, the guards at Petronas are armed and you forgot (didn't google) the major tourist area in Kl, Chinatown.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

ian wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:23am: When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m. It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See? And again, all issues point to the actual government.  Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly.   And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other. Incorrect, you are thinking of the Klang valley not KL, the Klang valley includes adjoining cities and towns also, its like saying Newcastle is part of Sydney. Just like Melbourne has adjoining cities. But guess what, we still refer to the entire area as Melbourne, even though it isn't. It's like LA. Same thing. LA has 16million, but in actual fact LA is around 3 mil.

You aren't getting it, KL, the city has an area of 243 sq km with a population of 1.6 m. If we include the Klang valley in the city area as you suggest then we come up with an area of around 25,000 sq km with a population of 6 m. Despite which, its not an argument, a simple google would have shown you.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Try telling us what Iceland is like, there's a good chance no one on the forum has been there.

I went there earlier this year, actually.

A lovely, lovely place.

Much better than Malaysia.

Didn't seem to be any major concerns about crime, from what I saw.

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:39am: ian wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:28am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 27th, 2013 at 11:23am: When people refer to KL they don't just refer to the city area but the entire urban area, which is 6m. It's like saying Melbourne is only 100,000 people. See? And again, all issues point to the actual government.  Our great fwiends. But the people themselves, no questions about it: harmonious and incredibly friendly.   And the different groups in society, despite the actual government live well with each other. Incorrect, you are thinking of the Klang valley not KL, the Klang valley includes adjoining cities and towns also, its like saying Newcastle is part of Sydney. Just like Melbourne has adjoining cities. But guess what, we still refer to the entire area as Melbourne, even though it isn't. It's like LA. Same thing. LA has 16million, but in actual fact LA is around 3 mil. You aren't getting it, KL, the city has an area of 243 sq km with a population of 1.6 m. If we include the Klang valley in the city area as you suggest then we come up with an area of around 25,000 sq km with a population of 6 m. Despite which, its not an argument, a simple google would have shown you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klang_Valley
Oh thanks.


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An alternative reference to this would be Kuala Lumpur Metropolitan Area or Greater Kuala Lumpur

I think you're missing the point. Most cities, like Paris, Los Angelos, Madrid, Sydney, Melbourne, etc. etc. etc. have a population within the actual city, but when people talk about the city they refer to its Metropolitan area. :)

The only exception I can think of is in India. But then I'm not gonig to claim I know it all, it's just wihtin the places I've been I can tell you about.

Look - let's just hang a Muso on a cross and then see how that flies.... equal treatment all the way here.

I'm sure the Romans got a few Muslims along the way.. oh wait.. they weren't around then....

Anyway I think they're just jealous that they had no crucified prophet....