Australia has a large percentage of people with no religion, was it around 23-25% in the last census.
Bob Hawke was an atheist PM elected over 30 years ago.


Quote:

Atheists face death in 13 countries,global discrimination:study In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly expouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law,according to a detailed study issued on tuesday. A first survey of 60 countries last year showed just 7 where death,often by public beheading ,is the punishment for either blasphemy or apostasy But this years more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan,Iran,Malaysia,Maldives,Mauritania,Nigeria (muslim part),Pakistan,Qatar,Saudia Arabia,Somalia,Sudan,UAE and Yemen. www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

I reckon these guys are atheists who are taking the piss out of Islam,Gandalf do you think they are muslim or atheist?

what possible relevance would that video have to the thread topic Baron?

Grow up please.

meh what the hell - video deleted.

In the interests of transparency - video was of a muslim apparently espousing the virtues of camel urine - yes thats right, nothing at all to do with the topic - just an excuse for Baron to make that "clever" quip I quoted above.

Do you think he is atheist or muslim Gandalf?

Atheists tend to mock and ridicule, is that what he could be considered to be doing in that video?

Chopping someones head off for the crime of disbelieving in fairy tales is a bit harsh, any chance of these countries one day respecting the Universal Declaration of human rights in particular article 18.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

meh what the hell - video deleted. .

Islamofascism wins again, do you support the OIC with their push for a global blasphemy law?

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

Islamofascism wins again

Did you want to talk about the persecution of atheists or whether or not camel urine is beneficial?

If its the former, there is no reason to post that particular video in this thread. If its the latter, feel free to start a thread relevant to that topic.


Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

do you support the OIC with their push for a global blasphemy law?

Of course not.

Did it describe the drinking of camel urine as the greatest contribution by Muslims to science?

It looks to me like Baron went to some effort to work it into the topic.

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

Did it describe the drinking of camel urine as the greatest contribution by Muslims to science?

He says while sipping coffee and listening to rock music.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Correct

I'm quite surprised to see Malaysia on that list.  Do you know if anyone has actually been sentenced under these laws or if it just there on paper?  I am aware they do capital punishment, but did not think they punished atheism with death.

Stratos wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 10:11pm: Did it describe the drinking of camel urine as the greatest contribution by Muslims to science? He says while sipping coffee and listening to rock music.

What are you trying to say? That drinking camel urine is no different to drinking coffee or listening to music?

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 10:16pm: freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 10:11pm: Did it describe the drinking of camel urine as the greatest contribution by Muslims to science? He says while sipping coffee and listening to rock music. What are you trying to say? That drinking camel urine is no different to drinking coffee or listening to music?

No, that the modern way of roasting and grinding coffee, as well as the predecessor to the guitar both came from the Moorish people, a Muslims people who lived during the middle ages.  Sorry I'm a bit drunk, and that's pretty cryptic reading it back lol

What is it with Islam and rewriting history?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar#History

Before the development of the electric guitar and the use of synthetic materials, a guitar was defined as being an instrument having "a long, fretted neck, flat wooden soundboard, ribs, and a flat back, most often with incurved sides".[1] The term is used to refer to a number of chordophones that were developed and used across Europe, beginning in the 12th century and, later, in the Americas.[2] Modern chordophones are the descendants of long lines of instruments that go back several thousand years to those of ancient Central Asia and India. For this reason, modern western chordophones, like the guitar, the violin, the lute and others, are distantly related to the modern instruments of central Asia and India, including the tanbur, the setar and the sitar. A 3,300-year-old stone carving of a Hittite bard playing a stringed instrument is the oldest iconographic representation of a chordophone.[3]

The modern word guitar, and its antecedents, have been applied to a wide variety of chordophones since classical times and as such is the cause of confusion. The English word guitar, the German Gitarre, and the French guitare were adopted from the Spanish guitarra, which comes from the Andalusian Arabic قيثارة qitara,[4] itself derived from the Latin cithara, which in turn came from the Ancient Greek κιθάρα kithara.[5]

The term guitar is descended from the Latin word cithara but the modern guitar itself is generally not believed to have descended from the Roman instrument. Many influences are cited as antecedents to the modern guitar. Although the development of the earliest "guitars" is lost in the history of medieval Spain, two instruments are commonly cited as their most influential predecessors, the European lute and its cousin, the four-string oud; the latter was brought to Iberia by the Moors in the 8th century.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_coffee

The history of coffee goes at least as far back as the thirteenth century with a number of myths surrounding its first use. The original native population of coffee is thought to have come from East Africa and it was first cultivated by Arabs from the 14th century.[1] The earliest credible evidence of either coffee drinking or knowledge of the coffee tree appears in the middle of the 15th century, in the Sufi monasteries of Yemen.[2] By the 16th century, it had reached the rest of the Middle East, Persia, Turkey and northern Africa. Coffee then spread to Balkans, Italy and to the rest of Europe, to Indonesia and then to the Americas.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

Guitar: the modern guitar is thought to have developed from the earlier Arabic instrument "Oud." Introduced through medieval Spain, the guitar was initially referred to as guitarra moresca (moorish guitar) in the 12th century.[21][22]

were talking way back here

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 9:27pm: Islamofascism wins again Did you want to talk about the persecution of atheists or whether or not camel urine is beneficial? If its the former, there is no reason to post that particular video in this thread. If its the latter, feel free to start a thread relevant to that topic. Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 9:27pm: do you support the OIC with their push for a global blasphemy law? Of course not.

The video is relevant because it shows how atheists in the Islamic part of the world have to be subtle in mocking Islam to avoid arousing the bearded nutjobs who will call for them to be beheaded, in non Islamic parts of the world people are free to mock and ridicule idiotic beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7JaB9pqew


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Apostasy is not human rights The passion that drives the west in their fight for human rights caused a few to forget there are rights there that are being violated.The muslims rights are among them. Muslims reject several articles in the UDHR 1948 because their rights to practice their religion are being threatened Article 16 states Men and women of full age ,without limitation to race,nationality and religion,have the right to marry and found a family,they are entitled to equal rights as to marriage,during marriage and its dissolution. For muslims that statement contradicts Islamic law that has clear guidelines and rules for marriage (Child brides are allowed) Article 18 states- Everyone has the right to freedom of thought,conscience and religion, this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief,and freedom either alone or in the community with others and in public or private,to manifest his religion or belief in teaching,practice worship and observance. According to Islam,article 18 cannot be accepted as it clearly violates the rights of muslims to practice Islam. The Islamic law has defined that apostasy is a crime therefore it cannot be listed under individual human rights. A matter that needs to be understood by all is that there is no human rights violation issue if the Islamic penalty is enforced (they chop your head off)  onto muslims who apostatised From Malaysian government link- www.islam.gov.my/sites/default/files/apostasy_is_not_human_rights.pdf

The Malaysian government has stated leaving Islam (apostasy) is not a human right, are they delusional or redefining human rights?

Islam is the only religion that is not compatible with the Universal declaration of human rights.

The PEW survey had the majority of muslims agreeing that chopping the head off those who leave Islam is acceptable.

Stratos wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world Guitar: the modern guitar is thought to have developed from the earlier Arabic instrument "Oud." Introduced through medieval Spain, the guitar was initially referred to as guitarra moresca (moorish guitar) in the 12th century.[21][22] were talking way back here

It was a monk in a monastery who discovered coffee, Islam does not have monks or monasteries.

www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Inventions%3F_How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

Ibn Sina was declared an atheist and apostate by none other than Al Ghazali yet that does not stop muslims from claiming he was muslim.
Muhammad al Razi who invented kerosene was also an atheist even Gandalf accepts he was atheist.

The bomb you stick up your ass is 100 % Islamic invention, i dont believe any non muslim has ever stuck a bomb up their ass with suicidal/homicidal intentions.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

The video is relevant because it shows how atheists in the Islamic part of the world have to be subtle in mocking Islam

So they guy in the video is really an atheist?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 1:06pm: The video is relevant because it shows how atheists in the Islamic part of the world have to be subtle in mocking Islam So they guy in the video is really an atheist?

They have a video supporting Hamza Kashgari on their channel, the Saudis wanted to chop his head off for apostasy/blasphemy.

He does a great job waffling on like the bearded nutjobs do when preaching Islam.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

It was a monk in a monastery who discovered coffee, Islam does not have monks or monasteries.

While no one is certain who exactly first discovered the modern technique for preparing coffee, most sources support that it came from Islamic culture, including the fact that the Catholic Church decided to ban it because it was deemed as "Islamic". 

Meh, I don't really care, Freediver got his one invention.  Also Wikiislam is a really biased website, it has some interesting things on it, but it is quite unrepresentative.  It pretends the giddy goat legend is truth and debunks that.  It's just a story lol, and then shows yet another story (written centuries after coffee drinking became popular) as further evidence to refute it.

Stratos wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

Also Wikiislam is a really biased website, it has some interesting things on it, but it is quite unrepresentative.  It pretends the giddy goat legend is truth and debunks that.  It's just a story lol, and then shows yet another story (written centuries after coffee drinking became popular) as further evidence to refute it.

You could always ask the council of ex muslims for an opinion on wiki islam or death for apostasy, they have members who contribute to wiki islam and also have to pretend to be muslim due to the harsh penalty for apostasy.

www.councilofexmuslims.com

Ali Sina was involved in creating wiki islam
www.alisina.org

Do you have anything to contribute to the topic which is the death penalty for apostasy in 13 Islamic countries?

Indonesia is a more moderate, they only throw atheists in jail after the mad mob attacks them.
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Aan

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:48pm:

Do you have anything to contribute to the topic which is the death penalty for apostasy in 13 Islamic countries?

I was answering a question Freediver asked, and you gave evidence too.  I really don't know much about the thread, but answered when there was something I thoght I could contribute to.  I'm just responding.

And yes, there are biased websites that are obviously pro Muslim, but that doesn't make it OK or reasonable to provide anti Muslim biased articles either.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

They have a video supporting Hamza Kashgari on their channel, the Saudis wanted to chop his head off for apostasy/blasphemy. He does a great job waffling on like the bearded nutjobs do when preaching Islam.

I see. I didn't realise you were being serious when you suggested he was an atheist.

Apologies for deleting the video. Still learning the ropes  :-[

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 1:40pm: They have a video supporting Hamza Kashgari on their channel, the Saudis wanted to chop his head off for apostasy/blasphemy. He does a great job waffling on like the bearded nutjobs do when preaching Islam. I see. I didn't realise you were being serious when you suggested he was an atheist. Apologies for deleting the video. Still learning the ropes  :-[/quote] I reckon the guy from the No woman no drive video could also be an atheist, he was scratching his beard,making fun of the driving fatwa on ovaries,done in a manner to not upset the bearded nutjobs who called for Hamza Kashgari's head. So what are moderate muslims doing to stop the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy, is it nothing,zip zilch? Is it going to be left to atheists to expose how barbaric Islamic laws can be? [quote]Dear Atheists, we ex muslims are waiting for you Dear atheists, we ex muslims are waiting for you guys to get over christianity and start waging war against Islam for a change.Yeah sure it is fun bashing the buy-bull ,fundies,priests,young earthers, the pope ,etc,but really dont you guys think it is time to shift some attention to Islam? We ex muslims are a very small minority, and there is nothing we can really do to change anything.We cant form organisations  or voice our thoughts in most muslim countries.We practically have no rights whatsoever besides the right to go to jail or be hanged or beheaded for our blasphemy But the voice of millions of atheists like all of you would significantly help us.It brings into world attention our plight,and all the horrible things Islam is responsible for,and how it has oppressed and destroyed many of our lives.It would at least help to change some laws that would benefit us ex muslims. While christianity still deserves our attention, the role of Islam around the world demands our attention. As it is practised around the world,Islam is a consummation of all the worst religion has to offer. -Cult like isolation from other world views means generation after generation is born in to ignorance -Circumcision of boys and girls, because healthy children are not born perfect:they must have a knife taken to their genitals -Leaving the faith means death. Apostasy is considered one of the worst crimes -Treating women as sub human pieces of property that must be beaten into obedience (quran 4:34) means at least half the population is silenced before they can speak. -Reward of heaven is used as an incentive to kill and maim innocent people -Unyielding dogma leaves no room for thoughtful criticism nor humor. -Islam means submission, they want to be slaves to their god, its right there in the name. This is not a religion of peace and we need to be more vocal about calling muslims out when they perpetuate this lie. Source-www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/06/26/dear-atheists-we-ex-muslims-are-waiting-for-you/

Death for apostasy shows Islam is not compatible with Article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights, Islam is the only religion in 2013 that is not compatible with human rights.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

So what are moderate muslims doing to stop the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy, is it nothing,zip zilch?

How many muslim countries don't have the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy? How many do?

When you have the answer to that, then you should be able to tell me which muslims are triumphing - the pro-death for apostasy and blasphemy, or the anti-death.

Obviously the anti-death ones... We can relax, because there are only 70 million pro-death Muslims on our doorstep in Indonesia. What could possibly go wrong?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 18th, 2013 at 12:14pm: So what are moderate muslims doing to stop the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy, is it nothing,zip zilch? How many muslim countries don't have the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy? How many do? When you have the answer to that, then you should be able to tell me which muslims are triumphing -

I dont think we have a proper tally of those Islamic countries that kill atheists.

In this past thread we only have 7 countries listed which has grown to 13 in this thread,it makes it pretty clear which muslims are triumphing and its not the munafiqs (hypocrites).
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Australia has a large percentage of people with no religion, was it around 23-25% in the last census. Bob Hawke was an atheist PM elected over 30 years ago. Quote: Atheists face death in 13 countries,global discrimination:study In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly expouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law,according to a detailed study issued on tuesday. A first survey of 60 countries last year showed just 7 where death,often by public beheading ,is the punishment for either blasphemy or apostasy But this years more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan,Iran,Malaysia,Maldives,Mauritania,Nigeria (muslim part),Pakistan,Qatar,Saudia Arabia,Somalia,Sudan,UAE and Yemen. www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210 Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

quran.com/8/55

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this.

Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one. Completely inexcusable.

In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric and inexcusable.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this. Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one. In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric.

Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead?

One of the Malaysian states with a higher proportion of Muslims passed a law introducing the death penalty for apostasy. Luckily the federal government intervened. According to Gandalf the Muslims who support this sort of thing don't really mean it and would change their mind when faced with the reality of it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:11pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this. Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one. In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric. Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead?

I think they're stupid for openly espousing atheism and/or rejecting the official state religion of Islam while in those countries.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:11pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this. Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one. In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric. Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead? I think they're stupid for openly espousing atheism and/or rejecting the official state religion of Islam while in those countries.

You didn't answer the question peccahead, can you comprehend what was asked?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:23pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:11pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Chopping the head off someone for the crime of atheism is barbaric, there is no excuse for this. Agreed. Absolutely no argument from me on that one. In fact, using premeditated state-sanctioned killing for any crime is barbaric. Do you think atheists in Islamic countries that have the death penalty for atheists are Islamophobic peccahead? I think they're stupid for openly espousing atheism and/or rejecting the official state religion of Islam while in those countries. You didn't answer the question ...

My answer is 'no'.

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

Disgraceful

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists.

The last I heard, six have prison sentences for blasphemy.

Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and Greece.

The Islamophobes won't be interested in that, though.

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful

What western countries have the death penalty for atheists, would that be a violation of article 18 of The Universal Declaration of human rights?

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful

I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page.

When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash.

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page. When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash.

Ok, prosecute was the wrong word to use , that's no excuse for you being a dickhead but I guess you were born that way

from the OP

The IHEU, which has member bodies in some 50 countries and supporters in many more where such organizations are banned, said there was systematic or severe discrimination against atheists across the 27-nation European Union.

The situation was severe in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Malta and Poland where blasphemy laws allow for jail sentences up to three years on charges of offending a religion or believers.

In these and all other EU countries, with the exception of the Netherlands and Belgium which the report classed as "free and equal," there was systemic discrimination across society favoring religions and religious believers.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful What western countries have the death penalty for atheists ...

None, as far as I know.

Who said that there were western countries with the death penalty for atheists?

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

2013 Report

http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page. When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash. Ok, prosecute was the wrong word to use , that's no excuse for you being a dickhead but I guess you were born that way from the OP The situation was severe in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Malta and Poland where blasphemy laws allow for jail sentences up to three years on charges of offending a religion or believers.

How many Islamic countries have the death penalty for blasphemy?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." 2013 Report http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

Now now gweg.  I know you know the difference between what "can" be done and what actually "is" done. John smith is forgiven for posting thd same thing, because he is an idiot anf doesnt understand thd distinction.  You do understand, and are maliciously engaging in deceptive practices.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." 2013 Report http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

Your link says New Zealand has blasphemy laws.

Do you have to go back to 1922 which is nearly 100 years ago to find the last blasphemy prosecution in NZ?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:22pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." 2013 Report http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/ Your link says New Zealand has blasphemy laws. Do you have to go back to 1922 which is nearly 100 years ago to find the last blasphemy prosecution in NZ?

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:22pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." 2013 Report http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/ Now now gweg.  I know you know the difference between what "can" be done and what actually "is" done. John smith is forgiven for posting thd same thing, because he is an idiot anf doesnt understand thd distinction.  You do understand, and are maliciously engaging in deceptive practices.

"And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

People are still gaoled in France and Germany - and even Australia - for expressing an opinion about WWII.


Quote:

“For those who are concerned about Holocaust denial, I can’t see how Holocaust denial fails to be racial vilification,” the Attorney-General told ABC Radio.

GEORGE Brandis insists Holocaust denial will be unlawful under his proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:22pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." 2013 Report http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/ Now now gweg.  I know you know the difference between what "can" be done and what actually "is" done. John smith is forgiven for posting thd same thing, because he is an idiot anf doesnt understand thd distinction.  You do understand, and are maliciously engaging in deceptive practices. "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:22pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." 2013 Report http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/ Now now gweg.  I know you know the difference between what "can" be done and what actually "is" done. John smith is forgiven for posting thd same thing, because he is an idiot anf doesnt understand thd distinction.  You do understand, and are maliciously engaging in deceptive practices. "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

Details please.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

People are still gaoled in France and Germany - and even Australia - for expressing an opinion about WWII. Quote: “For those who are concerned about Holocaust denial, I can’t see how Holocaust denial fails to be racial vilification,” the Attorney-General told ABC Radio. GEORGE Brandis insists Holocaust denial will be unlawful under his proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act

Do you think the holocaust happened Gandalf?

Yes I do Baron, and I think holocaust deniers are idiots. Sorry to disappoint you.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:31pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:22pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." 2013 Report http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/ Now now gweg.  I know you know the difference between what "can" be done and what actually "is" done. John smith is forgiven for posting thd same thing, because he is an idiot anf doesnt understand thd distinction.  You do understand, and are maliciously engaging in deceptive practices. "And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead?

The german one was a guy who printed "the holy koran" on rolls of toilet paper.  ;D ;D

No he didnt do jail time.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead?

Yes.

This is from the report’s editor Bob Churchill, in 2013:

"... and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws."

Pretty good evidence, from a reliable source.

Evidence to the contrary, from Baronvonrort and Honky, is yet to be submitted.

I let others make up their minds.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead?

Some more evidence for you:

"While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations."

http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany

Too easy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Yes. This is from the report’s editor Bob Churchill, in 2013: "... and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." Pretty good evidence, from a reliable source. Evidence to the contrary, from Baronvonrort and Honky, is yet to be submitted. I let others make up their minds.

Links to who was prosecuted and when peccahead

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Some more evidence for you: "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany Too easy.

What was the punishment peccahead?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:49pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Yes. This is from the report’s editor Bob Churchill, in 2013: "... and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." Pretty good evidence, from a reliable source. Evidence to the contrary, from Baronvonrort and Honky, is yet to be submitted. I let others make up their minds. Links to who was prosecuted and when peccahead

Unwilling to accept the evidence.

Hmmm.

That's making you look very silly.

"While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations."

http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:49pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Yes. This is from the report’s editor Bob Churchill, in 2013: "... and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws." Pretty good evidence, from a reliable source. Evidence to the contrary, from Baronvonrort and Honky, is yet to be submitted. I let others make up their minds. Links to who was prosecuted and when peccahead Unwilling to accept the evidence. Hmmm. That's making you look very silly. "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany

What was the punishment peccahead?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Some more evidence for you: "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany Too easy. What was the punishment peccahead?

Suspended sentence.

Peccas "reliable" source lied sbout jail time.  What else is he lying about.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Some more evidence for you: "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany Too easy. What was the punishment peccahead?

No idea, and completely irrelevant.

You asked:

"Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany ... ?"

Yes, and I've shown it to you.

I gave you exactly what you asked for.

You've been defeated (once again).

Moving the goal posts now will just make you look even sillier.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Some more evidence for you: "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany Too easy. What was the punishment peccahead? No idea, and completely irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant  peccahead, how does a suspended sentence compare to beheading or hanging for blasphemy?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Some more evidence for you: "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany Too easy. What was the punishment peccahead? No idea, and completely irrelevant. You asked:

Can you even comprehend what I asked peccahead?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:57pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Some more evidence for you: "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany Too easy. What was the punishment peccahead? No idea, and completely irrelevant. It's not irrelevant  peccahead,

Oh, it is.

You asked:

"Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany ... ?"

The answer is 'Yes', and I've shown it to you.

I gave you exactly what you asked for.

Anything else, is irrelevant.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:57pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:39pm: Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany or Greece peccahead? Some more evidence for you: "While blasphemy cases are fairly rare in Germany, one prosecution occurred in 2006 against a man who had distributed rolls of toilet paper that had the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them to German mosques and television stations." http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-germany Too easy. What was the punishment peccahead? No idea, and completely irrelevant. You asked: Can you even comprehend what I asked peccahead?

You asked:

"Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany ... ?"

It's there, for everyone to see.

The answer is 'Yes', and I've shown the evidence to you.

I gave you exactly what you asked for, yet you are unwilling to accept the facts.

That's your problem, not mine.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

Any evidence of blasphemy prosecutions in Germany ... ?

Plenty.

However, you're not willing to accept it.

"Since 1969, there have only been 10 people convicted of breaking this law".

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-debates-blasphemy-law/a-16253537

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:14pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page. When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash. Ok, prosecute was the wrong word to use , that's no excuse for you being a dickhead but I guess you were born that way from the OP The situation was severe in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Malta and Poland where blasphemy laws allow for jail sentences up to three years on charges of offending a religion or believers. How many Islamic countries have the death penalty for blasphemy?

I don't give a crap ... I don't travel to Islamic countries, I travel to Europe. Now why are you pretending it's not a problem as long as people aren't being killed for it?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

It's not irrelevant  peccahead, how does a suspended sentence compare to beheading or hanging for blasphemy?

who said they compared?

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:14pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page. When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash. Ok, prosecute was the wrong word to use , that's no excuse for you being a dickhead but I guess you were born that way from the OP The situation was severe in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Malta and Poland where blasphemy laws allow for jail sentences up to three years on charges of offending a religion or believers. How many Islamic countries have the death penalty for blasphemy? I don't give a crap ... I don't travel to Islamic countries, I travel to Europe. Now why are you pretending it's not a problem as long as people aren't being killed for it?

Simple: it doesn't involve Islam, or Muslims.

You know that, I know that, and the Islamophobes in here all know that.

Blasphemy laws are only bad if they exist in Muslim countries.

In all other countries, they're just a bit of fun.

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:00pm: It's not irrelevant  peccahead, how does a suspended sentence compare to beheading or hanging for blasphemy? who said they compared?

Not me.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:45pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:00pm: It's not irrelevant  peccahead, how does a suspended sentence compare to beheading or hanging for blasphemy? who said they compared? Not me.

don't you love how they try to twist and turn it into something else every time they get nailed.  ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:45pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:00pm: It's not irrelevant  peccahead, how does a suspended sentence compare to beheading or hanging for blasphemy? who said they compared? Not me. don't you love how they try to twist and turn it into something else every time they get nailed.  ;D ;D ;D

I do.

It's so amusing to watch.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 2:42pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:14pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 1:10pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: That Islamic countries treat atheists badly is no surprise .... no one ever said they were the most liberal of peoples ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. Disgraceful I dont believe your "surprise" since the number of western countries that "still prosecute atheists" is 0.  I bet you want to challenge that, so go ahead, provide details of these prosecutions, but bear in mind i've already read the wiki page. When you cant make a point without having to lie, it calls into question all kinds of things, your trustworthiness and convictions on a personal level, but further, it demonstrates that your ideology cannot be supported by the truth, and thus, belongs in the trash. Ok, prosecute was the wrong word to use , that's no excuse for you being a dickhead but I guess you were born that way from the OP The situation was severe in Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Malta and Poland where blasphemy laws allow for jail sentences up to three years on charges of offending a religion or believers. How many Islamic countries have the death penalty for blasphemy? I don't give a crap ... I don't travel to Islamic countries, I travel to Europe. Now why are you pretending it's not a problem as long as people aren't being killed for it? Simple: it doesn't involve Islam, or Muslims. You know that, I know that, and the Islamophobes in here all know that. Blasphemy laws are only bad if they exist in Muslim countries. In all other countries, they're just a bit of fun.

Ahh but they do.

Which religion did the german front bottom blaspheme again
?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. The last I heard, six have prison sentences for blasphemy. Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and Greece. The Islamophobes won't be interested in that, though.

I'm interested, but I'll say upfront that my bullshit detector is ringing loudly.

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. The last I heard, six have prison sentences for blasphemy. Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and Greece. The Islamophobes won't be interested in that, though. I'm interested, but I'll say upfront that my bullshit detector is ringing loudly.

You might need to change the batteries.

"... western countries are rated “Severe” because they can jail people for breaking laws prohibiting ‘blasphemy’ and other free speech on religion.

"Those countries are Iceland (a sentence of jail for up to 3 months), Denmark (up to 4 months), New Zealand (up to a year), Poland (up to two years), Germany (up to three years) and Greece (up to three years). Jail time could be handed to someone who simply “blasphemes God” in the case of Greece, or “insults the content of other’s religious faith” in the case of Germany."

http://iheu.org/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world/

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. The last I heard, six have prison sentences for blasphemy. Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and Greece. The Islamophobes won't be interested in that, though. I'm interested, but I'll say upfront that my bullshit detector is ringing loudly.

We could go through each country, one by one.

"In June 2015, the New Zealand parliament, in a retrograde step, and with no justification, created a new crime of denigration of religion with punishments greater than those that previously applied for blasphemous libel under the Crimes Act 1961. In what was a shocking turn of events, people in New Zealand can now face up to two years in prison ... "

http://blasphemy.nz/


(Note: Iceland repealed its blasphemy law on 2nd July 2015.)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm: ... what surprised me most in the OP, and what most of the Islamaphobes on here have ignored, is the number of western countries that still prosecute atheists. The last I heard, six have prison sentences for blasphemy. Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and Greece. The Islamophobes won't be interested in that, though. I'm interested, but I'll say upfront that my bullshit detector is ringing loudly. We could go through each country, one by one. "In June 2015, the New Zealand parliament, in a retrograde step, and with no justification, created a new crime of denigration of religion with punishments greater than those that previously applied for blasphemous libel under the Crimes Act 1961. In what was a shocking turn of events, people in New Zealand can now face up to two years in prison ... " http://blasphemy.nz/ (Note: Iceland repealed its blasphemy law on 2nd July 2015.)

Thanks Greggy,

wow - George Carlin would have been in trouble if he went to NZ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

Poland:

"Anyone found guilty of offending religious feelings through public defamation of an object or place of worship is liable to a fine, restriction of liberty or a maximum two-year prison sentence”.

http://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/europe/poland/

Germany:

"Whosoever publicly or through dissemination of written materials (section 11(3)) defames the religion or ideology of others in a manner that is capable of disturbing the public peace, shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine."

http://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/europe/germany/

Greece:

"Article 199 states that “one who publicly and maliciously and by any means blasphemes the Greek Orthodox Church or any other religion tolerable in Greece shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years".

http://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/europe/greece/

Denmark:

"The criminal code contains a de facto blasphemy law, defined in terms of public mockery of or insult to the doctrine or worship of a legally recognized religion. The maximum penalty for a violation of this provision is a fine and up to four months in prison."

http://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/europe/denmark/

Canada (wasn't on my original list, so it makes up for Iceland):

" ... section 296(1) of the Criminal Code says that “Blasphemous Libel” is an indictable offence and is punishable with imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years."

http://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/americas/canada/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

We could go through each country, one by one.

Sure, knock yourself out.


Quote:

You can be put to death for expressing atheism in 13 countries In 39 countries the law mandates a prison sentence for blasphemy, including six western countries

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:05pm: We could go through each country, one by one. Sure, knock yourself out.

Done.

Did I miss any?

Something tells me the NZ one has something to do with Islam.

Does that mean The Life of Brian is now illegal in NZ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:

... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:05pm: We could go through each country, one by one. Sure, knock yourself out. Done. Did I miss any?

Oh I see, you're only interested in western countries, becasue we need to be held to a higher standard than those coloured barbarians.

That's fair, but you may have done too many:


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Four western countries are rated “Severe” because they can jail people for breaking laws prohibiting ‘blasphemy’ and other free speech on religion. Those countries are Iceland (a sentence of jail for up to 3 months), Denmark (up to 4 months), New Zealand (up to a year), Poland (up to two years), Germany (up to three years) and Greece (up to three years). Jail time could be handed to someone who simply “blasphemes God” in the case of Greece, or “insults the content of other’s religious faith” in the case of Germany.

But that's six...

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:05pm: We could go through each country, one by one. Sure, knock yourself out. Done. Did I miss any? Oh I see, you're only interested in western countries, becasue we need to be held to a higher standard than those coloured barbarians. That's fair, but you may have done too many: Quote: Four western countries are rated “Severe” because they can jail people for breaking laws prohibiting ‘blasphemy’ and other free speech on religion. Those countries are Iceland (a sentence of jail for up to 3 months), Denmark (up to 4 months), New Zealand (up to a year), Poland (up to two years), Germany (up to three years) and Greece (up to three years). Jail time could be handed to someone who simply “blasphemes God” in the case of Greece, or “insults the content of other’s religious faith” in the case of Germany. But that's six...

A simple typo, or they meant to say "four European countries".

Not that it matters.

I've shown you six western countries that can jail people for breaking blasphemy laws.

Once again, I have triumphed.

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Oh I see, you're only interested in western countries ...

No.

I was simply responding to someone else's post.

I didn't initiate the 'western countries' discussion.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386932298/32#32

I'm more concerned with countries that are killing people.

Was there anything else, Honky?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

A simple typo

Yes, a "simple typo" as well as an outright lie about jail time, all from the one source. 
This was the source described by you as "reliable", but I'm starting to have second thoughts. 

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Something tells me the NZ one has something to do with Islam. Does that mean The Life of Brian is now illegal in NZ?

Yes, I did find that interesting.  Why would a country with no strong historical religious ties suddenly strengthen blasphemy laws? 

Perhaps for the same reason another newly multicultural nation, germany, brings its blasphemy law out of mothballs to prosecute on behalf of moslems?

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:33pm: A simple typo Yes, a "simple typo" as well as an outright lie about jail time, all from the one source.  This was the source described by you as "reliable", but I'm starting to have second thoughts.

You need to scroll back, Honky.

I have provided conclusive evidence that six western countries can jail people for breaking blasphemy laws.

Count them.

Iceland is no longer there, however, Canada has been added to the list (with evidence provided).

Was there anything else, Honky?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Oh I see, you're only interested in western countries ... No. I was simply responding to someone else's post. I didn't initiate the 'western countries' discussion. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386932298/32#32 I'm more concerned with countries that are killing people. Was there anything else, Honky?

[url]http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386932298/40#40[/url]

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

I don't give a crap ... I don't travel to Islamic countries, I travel to Europe.

Isn't this the supreme exemplification of the hypocrisy of leftardism? While he p*sses on European countries at every opportunity and defends Islamic ones, he only ever visits the former and not the latter.

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Something tells me the NZ one has something to do with Islam. Does that mean The Life of Brian is now illegal in NZ?

Not sure but:


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Life of Brian (1979) Banned in Ireland because it was considered blasphemous. Ban lifted in 1987. It was also banned for a year in Norway, but marketed in neighbouring Sweden as "The film so funny that it was banned in Norway").

http://www.imdb.com/poll/yw_GchQgelo/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

I have provided conclusive evidence that six western countries can jail people for breaking blasphemy laws.

That's nice. 

But as you know, countries that can jail people were not asked for.  Countries that do jail people were.

Since you didn't even attempt that, you can't really be said to have failed at it.  Lucky break, eh?

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:38pm: ... wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Oh I see, you're only interested in western countries ... No. I was simply responding to someone else's post. I didn't initiate the 'western countries' discussion. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386932298/32#32 I'm more concerned with countries that are killing people. Was there anything else, Honky? [url]http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386932298/40#40[/url]

I can't find any cases where people were sent to jail.

It appears that he may have been wrong on that point.

However, I am completely right on my point (as usual).

Was there anything else, Honky?

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However, I am completely right on my point (as usual).

;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

However, I am completely right on my point (as usual).

Yes, and so am I. 

Namaste.

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:42pm: I have provided conclusive evidence that six western countries can jail people for breaking blasphemy laws. That's nice.  But as you know, countries that can jail people were not asked for.  Countries that do jail people were.

No, that's not correct.

Greggy:

"The last I heard, six have prison sentences for blasphemy.

"Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Germany, Poland, and Greece."

freediver:

"I'm interested, but I'll say upfront that my bullshit detector is ringing loudly."

I then provided the evidence.

I never mentioned "do jail people", and neither did freediver.

Was there anything else?

And so it continues...